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(VPS 090630-0, 06/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?IMG=3A_Nathan=27s_PAW_25=3A_Hogueras_de_San_J?= =?iso-8859-1?q?uan_/_La_Crem=E1?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 00:14:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4a8e6380851560218263 Alt 8... best night shot. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Last week, before going to Warsaw Thursday night, was dominated by the = > midsummer festivities, Hogueras de San Juan, culminating in a ritual = > burning of the statues on Wednesday night:, known locally as La Crem=E1: > = > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=3D259 > = > No se=F1oritas this time, perhaps something for the ladies at the end. = > In any event, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated as = > always. > = > Nathan > = > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > = > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > = > = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 00:27:49 2009 Received: (qmail 3875 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 2009 22:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Jun 2009 22:27:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368C4E182CA for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149C1E240D3 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E670E3618007 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:27:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4A83618006 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:27:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-d02.mx.aol.com (imr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-d02.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a4a911c17d; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:26:39 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.d02.5b02d306 (34899) for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-md03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.156]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA018-d4354a4a91167b; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:26:32 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-DY05 (webmail-dy05.sim.aol.com [205.188.185.86]) by smtprly-md03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD034-d4354a4a91167b; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:26:30 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:26:30 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.137 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43661-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-DY05.sysops.aol.com (205.188.185.86) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:26:30 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBC7E8F31BDC49-1118-8A9@WEBMAIL-DY05.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 28/06/2009: red on grey X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 00:27:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4a9165120871946193717 Many layers of contrast in that image besides the colors. Perhaps the woman in red represents a clean break from the grey/dark past. That the scene was viewed through a Leica lens by this photog is also interesting. I suspect Ernest Leitz would have approved. He gets some gold stars spiriting away Jewish workers out of Germany. http://www.buzzle.com/articles/126992.html Poland has a long sordid history of vicious anti-Semitism. Ninety percent of their Jews were murdered in WWII often with the very willing cooperation of their neighbors. As late a 1968 there were further (probably Soviet sponsored) pogroms against the remaining few Jews so that their were soon less than 5000 left of the 3 million pre -war population. I saw a "Frontline" on PBS (public broadcasting) called "Shtetl" about 10 years ago where a a young Polish Gentile historian from Bransk interviewed neighbors of the previous Jews all 2500 of which were shipped to Treblinka's gas chambers via the villagers' horse wagons within 24 hours. They blamed their current economic plight on the "Jews" as if all of them had not been reduced to ashes and their property and possessions stolen many decades ago. Perhaps things have changed. Mike The uprising lasted about 3 weeks. It ended with the leaders holed up in a bunker, surrounded by the Germans. They fought to the end, and finally the last group committed suicide rather than be captured. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 01:50:25 2009 Received: (qmail 21387 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 2009 23:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Jun 2009 23:50:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B80E182B4 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4967FE240D3 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017833618007 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:50:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2EED3618006 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:50:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9855 invoked by uid 502); 30 Jun 2009 23:50:15 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-189-161.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) 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(moose@71.139.189.161) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 30 Jun 2009 23:52:28 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4AA531.6010000@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:52:17 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20090525173248.EG0CY.8624.root@cdptpa-web23-z01> <4A20690F.6060703@gmail.com> <4A24EC6B.7040101@gmail.com> <4A2DEE52.6010806@gmail.com> <4A318008.6000909@gmail.com> <910A9266-224E-4DDC-9D78-740B5DD24A23@frozenlight.eu> <4A335FBF.7070409@gmail.com> <4A381F7C.8090107@gmail.com> <4A49C191.2080209@gmail.com> <4A4A0AE4.6000804@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4A0AE4.6000804@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Images As The Mood Strikes - 15 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 01:52:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4aa541148881006886880 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Well done. > Thanks! And a belated thanks to Nathan for comments on nos. 13 & 14! Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 01:56:05 2009 Received: (qmail 4204 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 2009 23:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Jun 2009 23:56:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBFCE18229 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D567E240D3 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7777C3618006 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:55:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA893618001 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:55:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@m93.myzen.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.142]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MLnB8-0001fP-1f for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:55:58 +0000 Message-ID: <4A4AA60B.2010506@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:55:55 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [217.155.39.109] Subject: [OM] UK customs... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 01:56:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4aa61483109730998309 Hi, Anyone in the UK recently sent a camera to John H for a service? Thinking of sending my OM-3 & wondered whether the camera is likely to get hit by customs duties on it's return home... any ideas? Regards - Martyn Smoothy -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 02:04:11 2009 Received: (qmail 567 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 00:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 00:04:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093FAE1822D for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2BCE240D3 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5E319FAC9 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:04:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1919219FABF for ; 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d="scan'208";a="15328965" X-EsetScannerBuild: 5167 References: <58983.34280.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 02:04:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4aa7fb117751234514069 .............definitely not Farrah Fawcett Majors or whatever her Nth husband's name might have been. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "AS" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 > > http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/06/25/arts/20090625-FAWCETT_12.html > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4198 (20090629) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4201 (20090630) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 03:24:08 2009 Received: (qmail 18701 invoked by uid 0); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 03:24:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4abab810831073733319 I must say that I certainly don't think th at was Farrah. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 > .............definitely not Farrah Fawcett Majors or whatever her Nth > husband's name might have been. > > jh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AS" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:11 PM > Subject: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 > > >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/06/25/arts/20090625-FAWCETT_12.html >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 4198 (20090629) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4201 (20090630) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.1/2211 - Release Date: 06/30/09 11:37:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 04:49:21 2009 Received: (qmail 17264 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 02:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 02:49:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82DBE182C9 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF0FE240D3 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55283618009 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:49:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDF73618004 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:49:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 16 days 07:13:31 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-59-70.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.59.70]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n612n36L004701 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:49:04 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4ACEA6.6080606@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:49:10 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: [OM] good OM news X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 04:49:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4aceb13171234514069 Seems that I hadn't shown you all the packet into which Chuck sent me my = new 300mm =83/4,5. This packet was an overkill - it was double-damped !! And more on-topic news: today at 11 am, the refurbished OM 4Ti John had = bid for me at *Bay, arrived in one piece - and looks beautiful and will = certainly work flawlessly. Only that time has been scarce so I could = hardly give it a brief check. Look at that packet ! And tomorrow, if paracetamol helps and not flooded with work, shall be = posting some more on-topic links (5D and Zuikos shootout). Courtesy of Norcutt & Gonz=E1lez Team. ;-) Fernando. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 04:58:53 2009 Received: (qmail 19715 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 02:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 02:58:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABC1E1822B for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26268E240D3 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1817E3618004 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:58:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C000D3618001 for ; 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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:44:57 +0000 Message-Id: <2620C2C2-F7CD-4AFC-8B55-18BFC5556F5F@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CBC7E8F31BDC49-1118-8A9@WEBMAIL-DY05.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:44:55 +0200 References: <8CBC7E8F31BDC49-1118-8A9@WEBMAIL-DY05.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 28/06/2009: red on grey X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 06:45:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ae9d4113793900897491 Things have changed, Mike. One small correction; what happened after 1968 cannot be characterized as a pogrom. There was an anti-Semitic campaign sponsored by the Communist government, mostly designed to drive a wedge between the student protests and the broader population, but a pogrom implies some physical violence or threat, and there was none of that. We are talking about things like expulsion from the Party (which in turn could mean loss of job) and so on. We were in fact part of the wave of emigration, moving to Denmark in 1972. Today, however, there is a revival of Jewish life in Poland and a great interest among the broader population about exploring this part of Poland's history, painful as it is at times. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Jul 1, 2009, at 12:26 AM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > Many layers of contrast in that image besides the colors. Perhaps the > woman in red represents a clean break from the grey/dark past. > That the scene was viewed through a Leica lens by this photog is also > interesting. I suspect Ernest Leitz would have approved. He gets > some > gold stars spiriting away Jewish workers out of Germany. > > http://www.buzzle.com/articles/126992.html > > Poland has a long sordid history of vicious anti-Semitism. Ninety > percent of their Jews were murdered in WWII often with the very > willing > cooperation of their neighbors. As late a 1968 there were further > (probably Soviet sponsored) pogroms against the remaining few Jews so > that their were soon less than 5000 left of the 3 million pre -war > population. I saw a "Frontline" on PBS (public broadcasting) called > "Shtetl" about 10 years ago where a > a young Polish Gentile historian from Bransk interviewed neighbors of > the previous Jews all 2500 of which were shipped to Treblinka's gas > chambers via the villagers' horse wagons within 24 hours. They > blamed > their current economic plight on the "Jews" as if all of them had not > been reduced to ashes and their property and possessions stolen many > decades ago. > Perhaps things have changed. > Mike > > > > The uprising lasted about 3 weeks. It ended > with the leaders holed up in a bunker, surrounded by the Germans. They > fought to the end, and finally the last group committed suicide rather > than be captured. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 06:56:35 2009 Received: (qmail 30778 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 04:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 04:56:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2ADE182ED for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7533CE240DF for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F71319FC9B for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:56:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978E919FC98 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:56:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26054 invoked by uid 502); 1 Jul 2009 04:56:24 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-162-16.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.162.16) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jul 2009 04:56:24 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4AEC6C.30800@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:56:12 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <20090525173248.EG0CY.8624.root@cdptpa-web23-z01> <4A20690F.6060703@gmail.com> <4A24EC6B.7040101@gmail.com> <4A2DEE52.6010806@gmail.com> <4A318008.6000909@gmail.com> <910A9266-224E-4DDC-9D78-740B5DD24A23@frozenlight.eu> <4A335FBF.7070409@gmail.com> <4A381F7C.8090107@gmail.com> <4A49C191.2080209@gmail.com> <4A4A0AE4.6000804@chucknorcutt.com> <4A4AA4A7.2070907@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4AA4A7.2070907@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Images As The Mood Strikes - 17 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 06:56:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4aec8383785368819438 I don't know who this little creature is, but I love its outfit. Maybe someone here will know. Dean? Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 07:11:52 2009 Received: (qmail 26599 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 05:11:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 05:11:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D9CE182CA for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBE3E240D3 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354953618007 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:11:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D203618001 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:11:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <13360283.801246425822966.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-8-190.iburst.co.za ([41.213.8.190]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 268 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:23:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <305478.92764.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 07:11:36 +0200 References: <305478.92764.qm@web39803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] good OM news X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 07:11:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4af018110755683411216 No, Nice Amp! On 01 Jul 2009, at 4:58 AM, AS wrote: > > Nice skull. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 07:31:01 2009 Received: (qmail 6020 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 05:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 05:30:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82085E181AE for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97843E240D3 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B93D19FCDA for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:30:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6C819FCD4 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:30:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27555 invoked by uid 502); 1 Jul 2009 05:30:46 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-162-16.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.162.16) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jul 2009 05:30:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:30:33 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com><3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN> <1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 07:31:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4af495227001076813867 In an attempt to retain my sanity, I've only loosely followed this thread. In addition to the possibility that I might learn something simple that would help in the field, our collective tendency to veer off in new directions without changing the subject line means I might miss something else interesting. Not a complaint at all, by the way, as I'm as guilty as anyone and find it all oddly endearing. Anyway, it seem to me that one thing it all boils down to is that the only way to really know what's likely to happen is to use the equipment you have and learn what sort of images come out with various settings and situations. On my last little trip, I spent much of the time and many photos shooting at f16. Sure, I know, that's seriously diffraction limited according to some formula. Maybe AG's right, and weird DOF things that don't follow the simple lens calculations happen in zooms full of aspheric and special glass elements. Whatever, I'd been disappointed in the DOF I had been getting in some recent work, partly, perhaps semi-consciously, from leaning apertures toward open from the threads here about diffraction limits. So I spent a few days and a few hundred shots leaning the other way, toward f16. The results, from my perspective are better, with good sharpness and far fewer images poor because of shallow DOF. As far as I am concerned, any time I'm using that camera and lens, there's enough light and I'm not specifically looking to limit DOF, it's f11-f16 for me. Many of my Images As The Mood Strikes shots are f16, including the full pixel one I just posted. I dunno, perhaps I could have gotten a tiny bit more detail at a wider aperture, but would I have gotten the whole critter in focus? For me, for this subject and many of the thinks I photograph, DOF is more important. F16 and be there Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 08:43:23 2009 Received: (qmail 14723 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 06:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 06:43:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A977E182C7 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806A6E240DF for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59ED93628002 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:43:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7709B3618001 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:43:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n616hBta003393 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:43:11 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <25E29A6DDF3E410F81C5385E1C6AB788@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com><3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN><1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:42:36 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 08:43:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b058b69861879814018 For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I like the feel more than everything in focus. Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > In an attempt to retain my sanity, I've only loosely followed this > thread. In addition to the possibility that I might learn something > simple that would help in the field, our collective tendency to veer off > in new directions without changing the subject line means I might miss > something else interesting. Not a complaint at all, by the way, as I'm > as guilty as anyone and find it all oddly endearing. > > Anyway, it seem to me that one thing it all boils down to is that the > only way to really know what's likely to happen is to use the equipment > you have and learn what sort of images come out with various settings > and situations. > > On my last little trip, I spent much of the time and many photos > shooting at f16. Sure, I know, that's seriously diffraction limited > according to some formula. Maybe AG's right, and weird DOF things that > don't follow the simple lens calculations happen in zooms full of > aspheric and special glass elements. Whatever, I'd been disappointed in > the DOF I had been getting in some recent work, partly, perhaps > semi-consciously, from leaning apertures toward open from the threads > here about diffraction limits. So I spent a few days and a few hundred > shots leaning the other way, toward f16. > > The results, from my perspective are better, with good sharpness and far > fewer images poor because of shallow DOF. As far as I am concerned, any > time I'm using that camera and lens, there's enough light and I'm not > specifically looking to limit DOF, it's f11-f16 for me. > > Many of my Images As The Mood Strikes shots are f16, including the full > pixel one I just posted. I dunno, perhaps I could have gotten a tiny bit > more detail at a wider aperture, but would I have gotten the whole > critter in focus? For me, for this subject and many of the thinks I > photograph, DOF is more important. > > F16 and be there Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 09:37:46 2009 Received: (qmail 15514 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 07:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 07:37:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4A8E182E5 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415F0E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F9D19DC08 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:37:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF4919DC04 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:37:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MLuNs-0005JX-2s for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:37:36 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A4AA60B.2010506@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:37:30 +0100 Message-ID: <2941BB4B67B946C2A956B79FCD2F7643@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4A4AA60B.2010506@m93.myzen.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acn53l1K2KC7ztRjTsS0Hd4DWFc01wAP/hSg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090630-0, 30/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] UK customs... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 09:37:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b124a286051234514069 You should be liable to VAT only on the value of the repair so long as the returned OM-3 is described as a returned repair on the CN22 declaration. Why not give HMRC a call to get the full detail? Piers -----Original Message----- From: Martyn Smoothy [mailto:photo@m93.myzen.co.uk] Sent: 01 July 2009 00:56 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] UK customs... Hi, Anyone in the UK recently sent a camera to John H for a service? Thinking of sending my OM-3 & wondered whether the camera is likely to get hit by customs duties on it's return home... any ideas? Regards - Martyn Smoothy -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 11:59:18 2009 Received: (qmail 21859 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 09:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 09:59:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C42E182B3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 02:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EE6E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 02:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F4619E058 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 02:59:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0DD19E057 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 02:59:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 02:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28446 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jul 2009 09:59:08 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090630-0, 06/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 11:59:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b337636021950411718 Lee Majors was her only husband. She had a relationship of over 20 years and a son by Ryan O'Neal but the two never married. Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > .............definitely not Farrah Fawcett Majors or whatever her Nth > husband's name might have been. > > jh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AS" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:11 PM > Subject: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 > > >> http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/06/25/arts/20090625-FAWCETT_12.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 12:11:28 2009 Received: (qmail 10459 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 10:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 10:11:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B4FE182C8 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE7CE240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201103618007 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:11:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615FC3618006 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:11:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090701101120321.DAJE26680@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:11:20 +0000 Message-Id: <8AC6A3E4-0F25-4729-B360-CF85951E0123@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:11:19 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?IMG=3A_Nathan=27s_PAW_25=3A_Hogueras_de_San_J?= =?iso-8859-1?q?uan_/_La_Crem=E1?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 12:11:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b365081355034211378 Alt 11, Alt 8, & Main. The lady in the Main looks like a senorita to = me. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jun 30, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Last week, before going to Warsaw Thursday night, was dominated by the > midsummer festivities, Hogueras de San Juan, culminating in a ritual > burning of the statues on Wednesday night:, known locally as La Crem=E1: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=3D259 > > No se=F1oritas this time, perhaps something for the ladies at the end. > In any event, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated as > always. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 12:16:00 2009 Received: (qmail 24054 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 10:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 10:15:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CE4E182EC for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9473E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E6919E09E for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:15:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598FE19E0B5 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:15:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090701101554627.DBFW26680@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:15:54 +0000 Message-Id: <38680639-4FDF-4032-A9ED-EF9B75F6A46D@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <2620C2C2-F7CD-4AFC-8B55-18BFC5556F5F@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:15:54 -0400 References: <8CBC7E8F31BDC49-1118-8A9@WEBMAIL-DY05.sysops.aol.com> <2620C2C2-F7CD-4AFC-8B55-18BFC5556F5F@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 28/06/2009: red on grey X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 12:16:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b3760226021879814018 On Jul 1, 2009, at 12:44 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Today, however, there is a revival of Jewish life in Poland and a > great interest among the broader population about exploring this part > of Poland's history, painful as it is at times. I think it's important to remember that in Poland, as horrible, and as final, as the "final solution" was, there were other horrors equally as final. I'm thinking of the Katyn Forest in particular. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 12:18:53 2009 Received: (qmail 3577 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 10:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 10:18:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC51E18228 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD10E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087F83618006 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:18:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B108C3618001 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:18:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090701101847045.TEIC19322@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:18:47 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:18:46 -0400 References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com><3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN> <1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 12:18:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b380d263132013633067 How dare you approach this subject with sanity! Do something you want to do and find that it works? Zounds and gadzooks man! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:30 AM, Moose wrote: > In an attempt to retain my sanity, I've only loosely followed this > thread. In addition to the possibility that I might learn something > simple that would help in the field, our collective tendency to veer > off > in new directions without changing the subject line means I might miss > something else interesting. Not a complaint at all, by the way, as I'm > as guilty as anyone and find it all oddly endearing. > > Anyway, it seem to me that one thing it all boils down to is that the > only way to really know what's likely to happen is to use the > equipment > you have and learn what sort of images come out with various settings > and situations. > > On my last little trip, I spent much of the time and many photos > shooting at f16. Sure, I know, that's seriously diffraction limited > according to some formula. Maybe AG's right, and weird DOF things that > don't follow the simple lens calculations happen in zooms full of > aspheric and special glass elements. Whatever, I'd been disappointed > in > the DOF I had been getting in some recent work, partly, perhaps > semi-consciously, from leaning apertures toward open from the threads > here about diffraction limits. So I spent a few days and a few hundred > shots leaning the other way, toward f16. > > The results, from my perspective are better, with good sharpness and > far > fewer images poor because of shallow DOF. As far as I am concerned, > any > time I'm using that camera and lens, there's enough light and I'm not > specifically looking to limit DOF, it's f11-f16 for me. > > Many of my Images As The Mood Strikes shots are f16, including the > full > pixel one I just posted. I dunno, perhaps I could have gotten a tiny > bit > more detail at a wider aperture, but would I have gotten the whole > critter in focus? For me, for this subject and many of the thinks I > photograph, DOF is more important. > > F16 and be there Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 12:39:59 2009 Received: (qmail 13327 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 10:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 10:39:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C731EE182DA for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C98E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F78D19E187 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:39:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5C519E184 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:39:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21055 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jul 2009 10:39:47 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090630-0, 06/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 12:39:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b3cff284339752976205 Unsharp is unsharp whether by diffraction, depth of field or a small amount of motion blur. With the 5D on a tripod doing landscape I try to stay at f/11... but I might bend that for foreground depth of field. But macro as CH shows here and Moose showed with his well-dressed fly are different things and especially if one is on a tripod and the other is freehand. I assume the fly was shot freehand and there additional depth of field is probably required just to compensate for the swaying camera. CH's shots, on the other hand, appear to be done on a tripod and have the benefit of time and careful composition to position the in and out-of-focus areas. I don't think it's necessarily different strokes for different folks but different strokes for different situations. Finally, although the diffraction table for a 35mm size sensor shows that resolution at f/16 is diffraction limited to 7 megapixels, that's still more resolution than an E1. Furthermore, recalling that megapixels are an area measure and resolution is a linear measure the actual loss of resolution on a 5D between f/11 and f/16 is only about 25%. Good interpolation on ressing-up can probably hide a lot of that. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I like the > feel more than everything in focus. > > Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moose" > >> In an attempt to retain my sanity, I've only loosely followed this >> thread. In addition to the possibility that I might learn something >> simple that would help in the field, our collective tendency to veer off >> in new directions without changing the subject line means I might miss >> something else interesting. Not a complaint at all, by the way, as I'm >> as guilty as anyone and find it all oddly endearing. >> >> Anyway, it seem to me that one thing it all boils down to is that the >> only way to really know what's likely to happen is to use the equipment >> you have and learn what sort of images come out with various settings >> and situations. >> >> On my last little trip, I spent much of the time and many photos >> shooting at f16. Sure, I know, that's seriously diffraction limited >> according to some formula. Maybe AG's right, and weird DOF things that >> don't follow the simple lens calculations happen in zooms full of >> aspheric and special glass elements. Whatever, I'd been disappointed in >> the DOF I had been getting in some recent work, partly, perhaps >> semi-consciously, from leaning apertures toward open from the threads >> here about diffraction limits. So I spent a few days and a few hundred >> shots leaning the other way, toward f16. >> >> The results, from my perspective are better, with good sharpness and far >> fewer images poor because of shallow DOF. As far as I am concerned, any >> time I'm using that camera and lens, there's enough light and I'm not >> specifically looking to limit DOF, it's f11-f16 for me. >> >> Many of my Images As The Mood Strikes shots are f16, including the full >> pixel one I just posted. I dunno, perhaps I could have gotten a tiny bit >> more detail at a wider aperture, but would I have gotten the whole >> critter in focus? For me, for this subject and many of the thinks I >> photograph, DOF is more important. >> >> F16 and be there Moose > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 12:46:54 2009 Received: (qmail 26546 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 10:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 10:46:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BDBE182B9 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84781E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F4F3610002 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:46:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A1B3610001 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:46:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25393 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jul 2009 10:46:47 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jul 2009 10:46:47 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4B3E97.2010205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:46:47 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com><3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN><1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com> <25E29A6DDF3E410F81C5385E1C6AB788@MAIN> <4A4B3CF1.8080408@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4B3CF1.8080408@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090630-0, 06/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 12:46:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b3e9e216181950411718 I meant to add that, if you don't have to ress-up then the display size is small enough that the resolution lost to diffraction wasn't needed in the first place. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Unsharp is unsharp whether by diffraction, depth of field or a small > amount of motion blur. With the 5D on a tripod doing landscape I try to > stay at f/11... but I might bend that for foreground depth of field. > But macro as CH shows here and Moose showed with his well-dressed fly > are different things and especially if one is on a tripod and the other > is freehand. I assume the fly was shot freehand and there additional > depth of field is probably required just to compensate for the swaying > camera. CH's shots, on the other hand, appear to be done on a tripod > and have the benefit of time and careful composition to position the in > and out-of-focus areas. I don't think it's necessarily different > strokes for different folks but different strokes for different situations. > > Finally, although the diffraction table for a 35mm size sensor shows > that resolution at f/16 is diffraction limited to 7 megapixels, that's > still more resolution than an E1. Furthermore, recalling that > megapixels are an area measure and resolution is a linear measure the > actual loss of resolution on a 5D between f/11 and f/16 is only about > 25%. Good interpolation on ressing-up can probably hide a lot of that. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I like the >> feel more than everything in focus. >> >> Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Moose" >> >>> In an attempt to retain my sanity, I've only loosely followed this >>> thread. In addition to the possibility that I might learn something >>> simple that would help in the field, our collective tendency to veer off >>> in new directions without changing the subject line means I might miss >>> something else interesting. Not a complaint at all, by the way, as I'm >>> as guilty as anyone and find it all oddly endearing. >>> >>> Anyway, it seem to me that one thing it all boils down to is that the >>> only way to really know what's likely to happen is to use the equipment >>> you have and learn what sort of images come out with various settings >>> and situations. >>> >>> On my last little trip, I spent much of the time and many photos >>> shooting at f16. Sure, I know, that's seriously diffraction limited >>> according to some formula. Maybe AG's right, and weird DOF things that >>> don't follow the simple lens calculations happen in zooms full of >>> aspheric and special glass elements. Whatever, I'd been disappointed in >>> the DOF I had been getting in some recent work, partly, perhaps >>> semi-consciously, from leaning apertures toward open from the threads >>> here about diffraction limits. So I spent a few days and a few hundred >>> shots leaning the other way, toward f16. >>> >>> The results, from my perspective are better, with good sharpness and far >>> fewer images poor because of shallow DOF. As far as I am concerned, any >>> time I'm using that camera and lens, there's enough light and I'm not >>> specifically looking to limit DOF, it's f11-f16 for me. >>> >>> Many of my Images As The Mood Strikes shots are f16, including the full >>> pixel one I just posted. I dunno, perhaps I could have gotten a tiny bit >>> more detail at a wider aperture, but would I have gotten the whole >>> critter in focus? For me, for this subject and many of the thinks I >>> photograph, DOF is more important. >>> >>> F16 and be there Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 12:52:58 2009 Received: (qmail 15759 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 10:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 10:52:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB80DE182DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5CBE240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2A83610004 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:52:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE9F3610003 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:52:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n61Aqof5007210 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:52:50 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com><3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN><1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com><25E29A6DDF3E410F81C5385E1C6AB788@MAIN> <4A4B3CF1.8080408@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:51:54 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 12:52:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b400a301031946193717 You are partially right about the shooting condition, I did have lots of time to compose but they were taken handheld. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Unsharp is unsharp whether by diffraction, depth of field or a small > amount of motion blur. With the 5D on a tripod doing landscape I try to > stay at f/11... but I might bend that for foreground depth of field. > But macro as CH shows here and Moose showed with his well-dressed fly > are different things and especially if one is on a tripod and the other > is freehand. I assume the fly was shot freehand and there additional > depth of field is probably required just to compensate for the swaying > camera. CH's shots, on the other hand, appear to be done on a tripod > and have the benefit of time and careful composition to position the in > and out-of-focus areas. I don't think it's necessarily different > strokes for different folks but different strokes for different > situations. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 12:53:42 2009 Received: (qmail 20833 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 10:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 10:53:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293CFE182DB for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCE7E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F1319E1DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:53:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA6C19E1D8 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:53:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29614 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jul 2009 10:53:14 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jul 2009 10:53:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4B4019.2000003@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:53:13 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090630-0, 06/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] For a good chuckle... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 12:53:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b4036300391946193717 For a good chuckle see the Kodachrome cartoon near the top of Mike Johnson's blog page here: Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 13:23:32 2009 Received: (qmail 1265 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 11:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 11:23:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71071E182EE for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 04:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DD4E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 04:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA67834AC023 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 04:23:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B75834AC02D for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 04:23:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (unknown [202.37.101.25]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 04:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.58.46] (46.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.46]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3427C3DA027 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:23:22 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:23:26 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A4BEFEE.13742.3199AA8@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090630-0, 30/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 13:23:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b473475091560218263 "C.H.Ling" wrote > For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I like the > feel more than everything in focus. > > Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html > > C.H.Ling Wonderful shots, very sharp where in focus, great bokeh, and marvellous light. These photographs demonstrate what nature has to offer sometimes, if only we as photographers have the eyes to see. Thanks for sharing Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 14:13:52 2009 Received: (qmail 2579 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 12:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 12:13:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90939E182D9 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2793E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830E219E27C for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:13:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A02F19E36E for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:13:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so254780fgg.13 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:13:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.134.3 with SMTP id 3mr827645hbx.73.1246450425228; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:13:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4B336A.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> References: <58983.34280.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9EA41C1ECA3B44358E6816E3461C6CC3@hudson> <4A4B336A.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:13:45 -0400 Message-ID: <14883a8b0907010513k23fe2c5fl835fffc9296361d7@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 14:13:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b530021101234514069 You seem well versed Chuck; still have that poster on the wall? ;^) Charlie On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Lee Majors was her only husband. She had a relationship of over 20 > years and a son by Ryan O'Neal but the two never married. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > John Hudson wrote: > > .............definitely not Farrah Fawcett Majors or whatever her Nth > > husband's name might have been. > > > > jh > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "AS" > > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:11 PM > > Subject: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 > > > > > >> > http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/06/25/arts/20090625-FAWCETT_12.html > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 14:35:22 2009 Received: (qmail 4046 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 12:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 12:35:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02066E1836F for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82338E240E0 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6045219E4A0 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:34:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2121719E486 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:34:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7862) for ; 01 Jul 2009 22:33:56 +1000 Message-ID: <000.48590400b4574b4a.004@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:33:56 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com> References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com> <3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN> <1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.25.1395) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 14:35:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b580a187059752976205 Hi Moose, > On my last little trip, I spent much of the time and many photos > shooting at f16. Sure, I know, that's seriously diffraction limited > according to some formula. Maybe AG's right, and weird DOF things that > don't follow the simple lens calculations happen in zooms full of > aspheric and special glass elements. Whatever, I'd been disappointed in > the DOF I had been getting in some recent work, partly, perhaps > semi-consciously, from leaning apertures toward open from the threads > here about diffraction limits. So I spent a few days and a few hundred > shots leaning the other way, toward f16. The flash just went off above my head. A lot of my best early shots, back in my mining and mining exploration/ bush days were shot with high F stops, as I tended to adjust the aperture for a shutter speed of 1/250 to 1/500 depending on the lens used. This was in Kalgoorlie Western Australia, and as high up as Telfa Mine site, including Meekatharra, Wiluna, and further inland, so sunshine was no problem. I think you may have just shown me why I dont like a lot of the photos I take outdoors here in Victoria Australia :o) Give me sunlight ! Here in Victoria I've just realised I do a lot of my outdoor shots with a very low aperture to compensate for the lack of light, that way I am automatically heading for a shutter speed of 1/250 to 1/500. I think I should start putting the tripod in the car now. Cheers Ian Manners Wowsers Inspector Gadget!! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 14:52:39 2009 Received: (qmail 8604 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 12:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 12:52:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F47FE182DD for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2A3E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA2034AC02B for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:52:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FAA34AC023 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:52:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.219.207]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KM300MLST30ACN6@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:52:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A4B5C01.7060201@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:52:17 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4AA60B.2010506@m93.myzen.co.uk> In-reply-to: <4A4AA60B.2010506@m93.myzen.co.uk> Subject: Re: [OM] UK customs... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 14:52:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b5c1791801234514069 VAT is a real possibility. Some have asked me to return the camera as an insured gift. Some have asked for NO insurance (risky for sure) to show package is of no value. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Martyn Smoothy wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone in the UK recently sent a camera to John H for a service? > Thinking of sending my OM-3 & wondered whether the camera is likely to > get hit by customs duties on it's return home... any ideas? > > Regards - Martyn Smoothy -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 14:58:29 2009 Received: (qmail 7115 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 12:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 12:58:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100E3E1822B for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7092E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D263610002 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:58:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9018034AC023 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:58:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:58:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.219.207]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KM300FCOTCUDYJ0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:58:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A4B5D63.8060403@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:58:11 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4ACEA6.6080606@adinet.com.uy> In-reply-to: <4A4ACEA6.6080606@adinet.com.uy> Subject: Re: [OM] good OM news X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 14:58:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b5d75143395683411216 excellent! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Seems that I hadn't shown you all the packet into which Chuck sent me my = > new 300mm =83/4,5. > = > This packet was an overkill - it was double-damped !! > = > And more on-topic news: today at 11 am, the refurbished OM 4Ti John had = > bid for me at *Bay, arrived in one piece - and looks beautiful and will = > certainly work flawlessly. Only that time has been scarce so I could = > hardly give it a brief check. > = > Look at that packet ! > = > > = > And tomorrow, if paracetamol helps and not flooded with work, shall be = > posting some more on-topic links (5D and Zuikos shootout). > = > Courtesy of Norcutt & Gonz=E1lez Team. > = > ;-) > = > Fernando. > = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 15:08:03 2009 Received: (qmail 28682 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 13:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 13:08:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AE1E182E6 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E41E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201AC3610001 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:07:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EC434AC023 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:07:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com (mail-gx0-f207.google.com [209.85.217.207]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so1304267gxk.14 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:07:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.92.2 with SMTP id p2mr13415527anb.7.1246453676009; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:07:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4BEFEE.13742.3199AA8@bj.caverock.net.nz> References: <4A4BEFEE.13742.3199AA8@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907010607q48e26985mf284053c1e097bb@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 15:08:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b5fb3182081413256596 On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Brian Swale wrote: > > "C.H.Ling" =A0wrote > >> For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I like the >> feel more than everything in focus. >> >> Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html >> >> C.H.Ling > > Wonderful shots, very sharp where in focus, great bokeh, and marvellous > light. I second that! As for selective focus, some seem more successful than others, and I will share my opinions if only to see if they are purely subjective or if anyone else thinks finds points of agreement. The most successful use of selective focus for me are 5226 and 5279. In the case of 5226, the isolation of the selective focus creates a pattern that is attractive to my eyes, whereas in 5279 the isolation sets the logical subject-matter of the composition in the right place in relation to everything else around it. 5231, 5264, and 5324 further illustrate the use of selective focus and shallow DOF to isolate important detail against a palette of blur. 5295 and 5303 would be sharp against a blurred background simply because of the distance of the subject from the background, so they don't illustrate much about selective focus as a result (which is not to say they aren't lovely, of course -- but that's just not what I'm commenting on right now). 5231, 5245, 5273 seem less successful in the use of selective focus and isolation of the sharp against the blurred, though I expect there will be a lot of disagreement with me about 5273. Personally, I'd like to see a bit more of the front flowers in sharper focus. 5245 is really very nice but I seem to crave just a bit more sharpness to the fronds at the top. 5284 would be a bit stronger image to me if the lower petal were sharper and I think maybe it could be without undoing the effective blur of the background. 5264 and 5288 are interesting to compare. The former seems more successful to me because the isolation captures very interesting patterns, whereas the isolation of the stamens in 5288 against the blurred flower is less interesting for some reason. In fact, I want more of the flower to be sharper for some reason. Again, there would still be plenty of isolaton of the main subject against background blur. 5223 is a non-starter for me, but I don't think it is because of DOF or relative isolation of the sharp against the blurry. The color is beautiful, but it doesn't seem to be a composition that will satisfy me at that magnification, regardless of DOF. Anyway -- a beautiful study, and I think my favorite is the last, 5324. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 15:09:46 2009 Received: (qmail 2754 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 13:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 13:09:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB26E182B4 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E167E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7215334AC023 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:09:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D4D3610001 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:09:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25718 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jul 2009 13:09:39 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090630-0, 06/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 15:09:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b601a68901879814018 No. The poster on my wall was someone else... even better looking. :-) Chuck Norcutt Charles Geilfuss wrote: > You seem well versed Chuck; still have that poster on the wall? ;^) > > Charlie > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > >> Lee Majors was her only husband. She had a relationship of over 20 >> years and a son by Ryan O'Neal but the two never married. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> John Hudson wrote: >>> .............definitely not Farrah Fawcett Majors or whatever her Nth >>> husband's name might have been. >>> >>> jh >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "AS" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:11 PM >>> Subject: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 >>> >>> >> http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/06/25/arts/20090625-FAWCETT_12.html >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 15:21:00 2009 Received: (qmail 12457 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 13:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 13:20:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BDBE182B5 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81BBE240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80C119E60B for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8F119E5FE for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (cygnus@ctgonline.org whitelisted) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15341 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2009 08:20:49 -0500 Received-SPF: none (no valid SPF record) Received: from pool-96-230-119-79.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.230.119.79) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 08:20:49 -0500 Message-ID: <4A4B631E.9010103@ctgonline.org> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:22:38 -0500 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <58983.34280.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9EA41C1ECA3B44358E6816E3461C6CC3@hudson> <4A4B336A.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0907010513k23fe2c5fl835fffc9296361d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A4B6012.3060207@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4B6012.3060207@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 15:21:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b62bc10419752976205 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > No. The poster on my wall was someone else... even better looking. :-) Jaclyn Smith? She was my favorite. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 15:37:39 2009 Received: (qmail 17586 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 13:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 13:37:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EDAE18300 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAAA9E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA0719E652 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:37:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B7019E502 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:37:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13990 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jul 2009 13:37:30 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090630-0, 06/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 15:37:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b66a3163465368819438 I generally agree with your observations except (and it's a large exception) that, regardless of its other merits, I do not find attractive any image that has out of focus elements in the foreground. A good case in point is 5279. Lovely color and well composed except that the slightly out of focus, not yet open blooms in the bottom area of the photo are hard for me to look at. My eyes keep trying to focus on what's not possible to focus. But background out of focus elements have no such effect on me. I have the same problem with 5264, 5273 and 5295. You expressed a desire for a sharper petal in 5284. I think that would be nice but I still like that shot since the forward edges of the petals are sharp. My personal favorites are 5226, 5231, 5284, 5303 and 5324 with 5284 and 5324 the favorites of the favorites. Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Brian Swale wrote: >> "C.H.Ling" wrote >> >>> For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I like the >>> feel more than everything in focus. >>> >>> Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html >>> >>> C.H.Ling >> Wonderful shots, very sharp where in focus, great bokeh, and marvellous >> light. > > I second that! As for selective focus, some seem more successful than > others, and I will share my opinions if only to see if they are purely > subjective or if anyone else thinks finds points of agreement. > > The most successful use of selective focus for me are 5226 and 5279. > In the case of 5226, the isolation of the selective focus creates a > pattern that is attractive to my eyes, whereas in 5279 the isolation > sets the logical subject-matter of the composition in the right place > in relation to everything else around it. > > 5231, 5264, and 5324 further illustrate the use of selective focus and > shallow DOF to isolate important detail against a palette of blur. > > 5295 and 5303 would be sharp against a blurred background simply > because of the distance of the subject from the background, so they > don't illustrate much about selective focus as a result (which is not > to say they aren't lovely, of course -- but that's just not what I'm > commenting on right now). > > 5231, 5245, 5273 seem less successful in the use of selective focus > and isolation of the sharp against the blurred, though I expect there > will be a lot of disagreement with me about 5273. Personally, I'd > like to see a bit more of the front flowers in sharper focus. 5245 is > really very nice but I seem to crave just a bit more sharpness to the > fronds at the top. > > 5284 would be a bit stronger image to me if the lower petal were > sharper and I think maybe it could be without undoing the effective > blur of the background. > > 5264 and 5288 are interesting to compare. The former seems more > successful to me because the isolation captures very interesting > patterns, whereas the isolation of the stamens in 5288 against the > blurred flower is less interesting for some reason. In fact, I want > more of the flower to be sharper for some reason. Again, there would > still be plenty of isolaton of the main subject against background > blur. > > 5223 is a non-starter for me, but I don't think it is because of DOF > or relative isolation of the sharp against the blurry. The color is > beautiful, but it doesn't seem to be a composition that will satisfy > me at that magnification, regardless of DOF. > > Anyway -- a beautiful study, and I think my favorite is the last, 5324. > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 15:43:38 2009 Received: (qmail 30656 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 13:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 13:43:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0857E182DB for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79045E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C47119E650 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:43:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC04719E63D for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:43:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18276 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jul 2009 13:43:32 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090630-0, 06/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 15:43:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b680a73651258626592 Nope. A good choice but, at the time I'm thinking of, Jaclyn was probably only 14 or 15. A bit too young. Chuck Norcutt Paul Braun wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> No. The poster on my wall was someone else... even better looking. :-) > > Jaclyn Smith? She was my favorite. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 15:56:05 2009 Received: (qmail 17183 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 13:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 13:56:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F29E182D9 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1490DE240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC0234AC02D for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:55:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683DB34AC043 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:55:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com (mail-gx0-f207.google.com [209.85.217.207]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so1356468gxk.14 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:55:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.8.4 with SMTP id 4mr13172365anh.146.1246456549305; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:55:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4B6699.5070300@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A4BEFEE.13742.3199AA8@bj.caverock.net.nz> <9e908c1f0907010607q48e26985mf284053c1e097bb@mail.gmail.com> <4A4B6699.5070300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:55:44 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907010655m32e1a93g4451674833a9f174@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 15:56:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b6af5255661234514069 Typically, I have similar categorical limits on foreground blur. But for me the problem with 5279 is less about foreground focus or blur but the composition in which the buds below the bloom (whether sharp or not) compete with the bloom. Some foreground elements in 5226 are not sharp, but the composition is very strong and exciting to me. In 5231 the same thing. So I can't go along with a categorical renunciation of foreground blur. Whether it works or not seems to come back to its impact on the effect of the composition. Joel W. On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I generally agree with your observations except (and it's a large > exception) that, regardless of its other merits, I do not find > attractive any image that has out of focus elements in the foreground. > A good case in point is 5279. =A0Lovely color and well composed except > that the slightly out of focus, not yet open blooms in the bottom area > of the photo are hard for me to look at. =A0My eyes keep trying to focus > on what's not possible to focus. =A0But background out of focus elements > have no such effect on me. =A0I have the same problem with 5264, 5273 and > 5295. =A0You expressed a desire for a sharper petal in 5284. =A0I think t= hat > would be nice but I still like that shot since the forward edges of the > petals are sharp. > > My personal favorites are 5226, 5231, 5284, 5303 and 5324 with 5284 and > 5324 the favorites of the favorites. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Brian Swale wrote: >>> "C.H.Ling" =A0wrote >>> >>>> For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I like = the >>>> feel more than everything in focus. >>>> >>>> Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. >>>> >>>> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling >>> Wonderful shots, very sharp where in focus, great bokeh, and marvellous >>> light. >> >> I second that! =A0As for selective focus, some seem more successful than >> others, and I will share my opinions if only to see if they are purely >> subjective or if anyone else thinks finds points of agreement. >> >> The most successful use of selective focus for me are 5226 and 5279. >> In the case of 5226, the isolation of the selective focus creates a >> pattern that is attractive to my eyes, whereas in 5279 the isolation >> sets the logical subject-matter of the composition in the right place >> in relation to everything else around it. >> >> 5231, 5264, and 5324 further illustrate the use of selective focus and >> shallow DOF to isolate important detail against a palette of blur. >> >> 5295 and 5303 would be sharp against a blurred background simply >> because of the distance of the subject from the background, so they >> don't illustrate much about selective focus as a result (which is not >> to say they aren't lovely, of course -- but that's just not what I'm >> commenting on right now). >> >> 5231, 5245, 5273 seem less successful in the use of selective focus >> and isolation of the sharp against the blurred, though I expect there >> will be a lot of disagreement with me about 5273. =A0Personally, I'd >> like to see a bit more of the front flowers in sharper focus. =A05245 is >> really very nice but I seem to crave just a bit more sharpness to the >> fronds at the top. >> >> 5284 would be a bit stronger image to me if the lower petal were >> sharper and I think maybe it could be without undoing the effective >> blur of the background. >> >> 5264 and 5288 are interesting to compare. =A0The former seems more >> successful to me because the isolation captures very interesting >> patterns, whereas the isolation of the stamens in 5288 against the >> blurred flower is less interesting for some reason. =A0In fact, I want >> more of the flower to be sharper for some reason. =A0Again, there would >> still be plenty of isolaton of the main subject against background >> blur. >> >> 5223 is a non-starter for me, but I don't think it is because of DOF >> or relative isolation of the sharp against the blurry. =A0The color is >> beautiful, but it doesn't seem to be a composition that will satisfy >> me at that magnification, regardless of DOF. >> >> Anyway -- a beautiful study, and I think my favorite is the last, 5324. >> >> Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 16:02:46 2009 Received: (qmail 17065 invoked by uid 0); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 16:02:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b6c86102741357919056 Aha! Must have been Raquel Welch, no doubt wrapped in scanty furs (pre-PETA days). Charlie On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Nope. A good choice but, at the time I'm thinking of, Jaclyn was > probably only 14 or 15. A bit too young. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Paul Braun wrote: > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> No. The poster on my wall was someone else... even better looking. :-) > > > > Jaclyn Smith? She was my favorite. > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 16:51:18 2009 Received: (qmail 27368 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 14:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 14:51:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADC1E1822E for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 07:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1F3E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 07:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2991E19E9D5 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 07:51:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9865319E9CF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 07:51:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (hanse112@tc.umn.edu whitelisted) Received: from mta-m3.tc.umn.edu (mta-m3.tc.umn.edu [134.84.135.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 07:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.243.165.226] (216-243-165-226.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.165.226]) by mta-m3.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:51:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] 216-243-165-226.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.165.226] #+TS+AU+HN Message-ID: <4A4B78DB.1050908@tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:55:23 -0500 From: Dean Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: Re: [OM] Images As The Mood Strikes - 17 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 16:51:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b77e6156621220213263 Moose recently posted: I don't know who this little creature is, but I love its outfit. Maybe someone here will know. Dean? Moose has taken a shot of a Syrphid Fly or Flower Fly (family Syrphidae). It, well, simply looks like a syrphid fly, at least to an entomologist. A more diagnostic feature is the way the wing veins (the dark lines on the wing) parallel the outer margin of the wing tip at a small distance in from the wing margin. There's also the faint hint of an extra ("spurious") vein (don't even bother looking for it) that only syrphids have. From its fairly long, pointed abdomen, I'd say it's a female. Like Moose, I also like its (her) outfit. From Ag Handbook 276: "The "flower flies " or "hover flies" of the family Syrphidae are typically medium-sized to large flies which are frequently strikingly marked with black or yellow bands or lunules; many mimic bees or wasps. The adults are habitual visitors of flowers and are considered of importance second only to some species of bees in the cross-pollination of many economic plants." I'd say this particular flower fly was simply resting on a plant leaf when Moose was able to get his shot. The rule with any portrait is to focus on the eyes. Moose did just that. Good job. Dean -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 17:02:46 2009 Received: (qmail 5014 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 15:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 15:02:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65D6E182EF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6345E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A10719EA1B for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:02:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C04219EA05 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:02:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n61F2baW019781 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:02:37 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n61F2aiC025622 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:02:36 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4BEFEE.13742.3199AA8@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:02:29 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 17:02:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b7a9655909730998309 Thanks for looking and the kind comment, Brian. You are right about the nature, there are lots of interesting subjects that waiting for your discovery. At the mean time with a 1:1 macro you see something quite different from usual, for example the subject of 5226 and 5231, I never had an acceptable shot before when they were taken at lower magnifications. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Swale" > > "C.H.Ling" wrote > >> For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I like the >> feel more than everything in focus. >> >> Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html >> >> C.H.Ling > > Wonderful shots, very sharp where in focus, great bokeh, and marvellous > light. > > These photographs demonstrate what nature has to offer sometimes, if only > we as photographers have the eyes to see. > > Thanks for sharing > > Brian Swale -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 18:22:31 2009 Received: (qmail 32181 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 16:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 16:22:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF847E18016 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C2AE240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D7619EC7C for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:22:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEE919EC35 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:22:20 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n61GMFPe021923; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:22:18 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "LUG@Leica-Users.org" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:23:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Cc: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Colorful Insect X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 18:22:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b8d47126371234514069 Since today's topic appears to be insects, I have posted a colorful specimen in hopes someone is familiar with it. It was approximately 3/4 inches long, with distinctive orange spots. My insect book does not show this one. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Colorful+Insect.jpg.html Shot with E-510 and Summicron-R 50/2.0, ISO 800, RAW, processed with PSE 6.0 Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 18:41:43 2009 Received: (qmail 953 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 16:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 16:41:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6125E182B8 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9D9E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8A219ECC3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:41:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1528719ED45 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:41:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n61Gf798028148 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:41:07 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n61Gf7i1019870 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:41:07 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <966A93E8ADAA4306ABDD1FE0C2AF7A1C@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4BEFEE.13742.3199AA8@bj.caverock.net.nz><9e908c1f0907010607q48e26985mf284053c1e097bb@mail.gmail.com><4A4B6699.5070300@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907010655m32e1a93g4451674833a9f174@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:40:29 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 18:41:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b91c7309691342116753 Thanks for Joel and Chuck's detail comments, I learnt a lot from your discussions and they are very helpful for me, I'm pretty much with Joel's comments especially for 5273 and 5245, they leave a lot to desire. I should have brought a tripod for the shots but it wasn't planned as a serious shooting session for myself, I was just accompany my elder son, he suddenly interested in photography after 22 years since born. He expected to use this summary holiday to learnt all the photographic technique :-) There are a few shots that I really like but many of them are just for filling up the page :-) I post them mainly to express my opinion on DOF, I really don't think a good shot need to have the whole object in focus. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" Typically, I have similar categorical limits on foreground blur. But for me the problem with 5279 is less about foreground focus or blur but the composition in which the buds below the bloom (whether sharp or not) compete with the bloom. Some foreground elements in 5226 are not sharp, but the composition is very strong and exciting to me. In 5231 the same thing. So I can't go along with a categorical renunciation of foreground blur. Whether it works or not seems to come back to its impact on the effect of the composition. Joel W. On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I generally agree with your observations except (and it's a large > exception) that, regardless of its other merits, I do not find > attractive any image that has out of focus elements in the foreground. > A good case in point is 5279. Lovely color and well composed except > that the slightly out of focus, not yet open blooms in the bottom area > of the photo are hard for me to look at. My eyes keep trying to focus > on what's not possible to focus. But background out of focus elements > have no such effect on me. I have the same problem with 5264, 5273 and > 5295. You expressed a desire for a sharper petal in 5284. I think that > would be nice but I still like that shot since the forward edges of the > petals are sharp. > > My personal favorites are 5226, 5231, 5284, 5303 and 5324 with 5284 and > 5324 the favorites of the favorites. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Brian Swale wrote: >>> "C.H.Ling" wrote >>> >>>> For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I like >>>> the >>>> feel more than everything in focus. >>>> >>>> Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. >>>> >>>> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling >>> Wonderful shots, very sharp where in focus, great bokeh, and marvellous >>> light. >> >> I second that! As for selective focus, some seem more successful than >> others, and I will share my opinions if only to see if they are purely >> subjective or if anyone else thinks finds points of agreement. >> >> The most successful use of selective focus for me are 5226 and 5279. >> In the case of 5226, the isolation of the selective focus creates a >> pattern that is attractive to my eyes, whereas in 5279 the isolation >> sets the logical subject-matter of the composition in the right place >> in relation to everything else around it. >> >> 5231, 5264, and 5324 further illustrate the use of selective focus and >> shallow DOF to isolate important detail against a palette of blur. >> >> 5295 and 5303 would be sharp against a blurred background simply >> because of the distance of the subject from the background, so they >> don't illustrate much about selective focus as a result (which is not >> to say they aren't lovely, of course -- but that's just not what I'm >> commenting on right now). >> >> 5231, 5245, 5273 seem less successful in the use of selective focus >> and isolation of the sharp against the blurred, though I expect there >> will be a lot of disagreement with me about 5273. Personally, I'd >> like to see a bit more of the front flowers in sharper focus. 5245 is >> really very nice but I seem to crave just a bit more sharpness to the >> fronds at the top. >> >> 5284 would be a bit stronger image to me if the lower petal were >> sharper and I think maybe it could be without undoing the effective >> blur of the background. >> >> 5264 and 5288 are interesting to compare. The former seems more >> successful to me because the isolation captures very interesting >> patterns, whereas the isolation of the stamens in 5288 against the >> blurred flower is less interesting for some reason. In fact, I want >> more of the flower to be sharper for some reason. Again, there would >> still be plenty of isolaton of the main subject against background >> blur. >> >> 5223 is a non-starter for me, but I don't think it is because of DOF >> or relative isolation of the sharp against the blurry. The color is >> beautiful, but it doesn't seem to be a composition that will satisfy >> me at that magnification, regardless of DOF. >> >> Anyway -- a beautiful study, and I think my favorite is the last, 5324. >> >> Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 18:45:15 2009 Received: (qmail 4790 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 16:45:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 16:45:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4ADE181AE for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECD5E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2069334AC043 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:45:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF38434AC02B for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:45:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so364388fxm.14 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:45:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.151.147 with SMTP id r19mr825545hbb.70.1246466707679; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:45:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:45:07 -0400 Message-ID: <14883a8b0907010945w76d94221w3999862ca0fba050@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Colorful Insect X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 18:45:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b929b191791612113968 Jim, Perhaps a Scoliid Wasp. Range should include youe area. Seen here: http://www.whatsthatbug.com/category/hornets-and-wasps/scoliid-wasps/ Charlie On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Since today's topic appears to be insects, I have posted a colorful > specimen in hopes someone is familiar with it. It was approximately 3/4 > inches long, with distinctive orange spots. My insect book does not show > this one. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Colorful+Insect.jpg.html > > Shot with E-510 and Summicron-R 50/2.0, ISO 800, RAW, processed with PSE > 6.0 > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 18:51:43 2009 Received: (qmail 15532 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 16:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 16:51:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C09E182EE for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB21E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380CB19E726 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:51:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781A919ED7F for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:51:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:51:37 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n61GpYV1028347 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:51:36 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <14883a8b0907010945w76d94221w3999862ca0fba050@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:52:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Colorful Insect X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 18:51:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4b941f213029730998309 Hi Charlie, I believe you are correct. Thanks. I have bookmarked that source for future reference. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Colorful Insect > Jim, > Perhaps a Scoliid Wasp. Range should include youe area. Seen here: > > http://www.whatsthatbug.com/category/hornets-and-wasps/scoliid-wasps/ > > Charlie > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Jim Nichols > wrote: > >> Since today's topic appears to be insects, I have posted a colorful >> specimen in hopes someone is familiar with it. It was approximately 3/4 >> inches long, with distinctive orange spots. My insect book does not show >> this one. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Colorful+Insect.jpg.html >> >> Shot with E-510 and Summicron-R 50/2.0, ISO 800, RAW, processed with PSE >> 6.0 >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 19:42:27 2009 Received: (qmail 1573 invoked by uid 0); 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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:45:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Canada Day - 1st July X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 19:45:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ba0a341421220213263 Was just in Toronto yesterday. Took wife and kids to Pearson. I love Toronto but do not enjoy crossing the border. Anyhow Happy Canada day! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 20:24:01 2009 Received: (qmail 27628 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 18:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 18:24:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E90E182D0 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD7AE240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213B019F113 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:23:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE2B19EEF8 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:23:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.90]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13120 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2009 18:23:54 -0000 Message-ID: <847591.10722.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dYYUVd4VM1mP63zhpVmCynS5oIO_6QlYQ4S7_hfsomNKjBnZM2BxI8sSKqw7QYCk2p63NinBybetJ2nRg2CzONb2xfU3tWJCd9VhjDH.L3E.ZqIxguw7eZvPVw8mj1J6sy0gOf5GoBTe.Si18kkziFKR6F5pCnzmZLl9HSGE4mc3Nmf8eKnGhpg4_0x6GY0t_q_9.G2Lu0sGJ4ySitxHUIIAEbO4ijqYKUxMj8WX5Mc9izc7ALHR4yhKURscp_rgDUDrIIUDX92tXdI8Kl.VWBTg2.PTnCxRmzD28SzBA9cBIdGvizs1DLgqUDMZ0ZgigQm0E2itPr3B7bfKWC4nma6XS8Nak.sEtq3ueKjcieh0PO6qqCUn Received: from [86.156.60.228] by web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:23:54 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:23:54 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus mailing list MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Macro stacking rig/Olympus DSLR X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 20:24:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ba9c1129421220213263 In June issue of Micscape magazine - an online resource which is very interesting - there is a good article on a "macro stacking setup using an Olympus DSLR. Well worth looking at for this article alone! http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html Scroll down Index until you reach Macro stacking rig. Enjoy! Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 20:26:01 2009 Received: (qmail 7645 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 18:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 18:26:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63597E182D4 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B93E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFD134AC02D for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:25:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E0134AC02B for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:25:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 34051 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2009 18:25:55 -0000 Message-ID: <168193.31870.qm@web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 4wnmbSMVM1ntmgJ_ZgF._Yx5Z5Y.yNkme8lt5oGuWWHiRrPJlRMunp39aE2SfxecmUAkV0cEOtgnlSEMSFc5x9ecRCoZhNfvoiIg68x4Pa.p4.q_eRJj4utV6cLLnRqlMjtv_4jK9XcVPE4SuPX9jEASumLg51CJ9U4ib8EWL2sBkRDsF0sQ_UGdtlqj5O1lgaeqOtrQk2ecp4J4Lm9C5wGz9zAkGQLVEFlGrEMkVGFqJbyTfN152t3C.hC5Gn3au5ZsOqKtP3TcoNnsxosXhwF1L3.Tq29yL3d68g-- Received: from [86.156.60.228] by web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:25:55 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:25:55 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus mailing list MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Macro stacking rig X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 20:26:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4baa3941936789618724 Should have said ...first click on "JUNE" issue is now online! Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 20:35:01 2009 Received: (qmail 2877 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 18:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 18:35:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319C2E182E2 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A697E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1234934AC040 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:34:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6886F34AC023 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:34:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:34:55 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n61IYo6Q021874 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:34:52 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <847591.10722.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:35:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Macro stacking rig/Olympus DSLR X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 20:35:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4bac5592071946193717 Thanks for the link, John. That was very interesting. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN DUGGAN" To: "Olympus mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: [OM] Macro stacking rig/Olympus DSLR > > In June issue of Micscape magazine - an online resource which is very > interesting - there is a good article on a "macro stacking setup using an > Olympus DSLR. Well worth looking at for this article alone! > http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html > Scroll down Index until you reach Macro stacking rig. Enjoy! > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 21:10:35 2009 Received: (qmail 29929 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 19:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 19:10:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACADE182DB for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCA9E240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3650C3628002 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:10:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB1F34AC047 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:10:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a4bb49c15a; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:10:20 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.d15.4c406dba (39331) for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:10:15 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:10:15 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5006 X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 21:10:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4bb4ab162101950411718 In a message dated 7/1/2009 8:09:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com writes: No. The poster on my wall was someone else... even better looking. :-) Hmm, Jacqueline Bisset? Yummy and about the right age. <{B^) Bill BArber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 21:50:50 2009 Received: (qmail 947 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 19:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 19:50:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C544E182B5 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EFFE240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8292419F1FE for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:50:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E271119F2DD for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:50:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 17 days 00:14:48 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-50-243.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.50.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n61JoLEs013191 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:50:23 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:50:30 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?Hats_off_-_Zuiko_300mm_=83/4=2C5_=3C--=3E_8?= =?windows-1252?q?5=7E250mm_=83/5_shootout=2C_by_Chuck=2E?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 21:50:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4bbe1a204821357919056 I doubted long whether to invest money, effort and risk on a 300/4,5. I = already owned a 85~250/5 and liked it a lot, it performed well enough = even when coupled to the 2X-A to reach 500mm if the scene was not too = demanding. Besides, the 200/4 coupled to the 2X-A never really = disappointed me: I made more errors either when taking the picture or = when scanning, than those who could be seen when I nailed both. I needed = good reasons, and Gary's test didn't provide them. Ken's enthusiasm kept = me interested, and finally I found what seemed to be a nice late sample = of a 300/4,5. It was worth waiting for an MC version, as I happened to = find in its diagram that some of its elements were different. I binned = it at *Bay, and suddenly learned that it was risky for the seller to = ship it to another address than the one provided by the buyer. From that = point onwards, Chuck's help and Carlos Santisteban advice were of = critical importance. I had asked Chuck to inspect the lens and return it = if necessary, but seller was very reluctant to send it to Chuck's. = Finally, we all came to an agreement and the Zuiko arrived to Chuck's = home. After a very thorough inspection, one I couldn't have done better, = Chuck wrote me about his positive evaluation and went into a field test, = the 300 compared to the 85~250 @ 250mm at each F stop. He provided his = own 85~250, and I suspect his sample was made at the Wyoming factory, = because it has an extra f stop mine doesn't: between 5 and 8, his sample = has 5,6 and thus could be directly compared to the prime at the same F = value. ;-) [unexpected surprise below]. End of story: the big package you already saw, passed through Customs = without a question, without bureaucratic problems, without extra taxes. = This really made me happy !! I have in mind that this very unusual event = was possible because the 300 arrived on the date of birth of our = National Hero: Jos=E9 Gervasio Artigas, June 19 1764. = I'm pasting here what Chuck told me about his methodology (partially = edited, and omitted his conclusions, so you all can make each one's own): I've finished the tests which are pretty simple. Just a collection of = stuff in the back yard with one shot each from both lenses at full = aperture, 5.6, 8, 11 and 16. I moved the camera closer for the 250 = shots so that image size is very close between the two lenses. So there = are 5 shots for each of 2 lenses =3D 10. The camera was pointed slightly = downward. In a nutshell, at f/11 there's nothing to choose between the 300 and = 85-250 except longer focal length. Image quality appears the same. There is a little sign in the lower right hand corner of each image = telling the lens (300 or 250) and the aperture. All of the tests were = shot at ISO 100 except that f/11 was done at ISO 200 and f/16 at ISO = 400. I needed to keep the shutter speed reasonable and the 5D has = almost no noise at 400. The wind was starting to blow a bit during the = test so there may be a bit of motion blur in the flowers or in the hat. = I used mirror lock and a remote release but I can't beat the wind = completely. Incidentally, none of the images has been sharpened for effect. Only = capture sharpening has been applied. If you want to try your hand at = sharpening I'm sure you can improve them a bit further. I just don't = sharpen until I know the final print or display size. Cheers. More to come. Chuck ***************** I think they were somehow compressed when uploaded to Flickr. I will = leave them there for a couple of weeks, then I shall delete them since = I've reached the maximum amount admitted by Flickr beyond which I should = buy their Pro account and I'm not willing to. Paired by F, 1024 wide 300/4,5: = ~250/5: = 300/5,6: = ~250/5,6: seriously ! :-( 300/8: = ~250/8: = 300/11: = ~250/11: 300/16: = ~250/16: Enjoy, opinions welcome ! Fernando. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 22:40:08 2009 Received: (qmail 6722 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 20:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 20:40:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8BDE180CD for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD2EE240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E52234AC023 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:40:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E00934AC02B for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:39:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 17 days 01:04:17 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-50-243.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.50.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n61KdodY016964 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:39:51 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:39:59 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?Hats_off_-_Zuiko_300mm_=83/4=2C5_=3C--=3E_8?= =?windows-1252?q?5=7E250mm_=83/5_shootout=2C_by_Chuck=2E?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 22:40:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4bc9a828731342116753 Here it is, the lost Wyoming shot !: ~250/5,6: And yes, they were resized from 4368 to 1024 wide. Fernando. Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > 300/5,6: > > ~250/5,6: seriously ! :-( > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 22:46:47 2009 Received: (qmail 21920 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 20:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 20:46:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B30E182B1 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B414E240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A4619F3D0 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:46:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C43019F3CA for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:46:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so506329fxm.14 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:46:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.64.196 with SMTP id f4mr9870579bki.151.1246481199391; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:46:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:46:39 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 858a274c419dc4de Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?Hats_off_-_Zuiko_300mm_=83/4=2C5_=3C--=3E_8?= =?windows-1252?q?5=7E250mm_=83/5_shootout=2C_by_Chuck=2E?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 22:46:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4bcb37124892013633067 Wow. I'm impressed by the 80-250. I never knew.... But that 300/4.5.... Yummy. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 22:50:13 2009 Received: (qmail 30125 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 20:50:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 20:50:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802F5E182CA for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9380AE240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D3D19F3DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:50:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45A119F3D9 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:50:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com (mail-bw0-f221.google.com [209.85.218.221]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so680366bwz.14 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:50:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.59.14 with SMTP id j14mr10051451bkh.39.1246481406233; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:50:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:50:06 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 10f078985a4df3e6 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 22:50:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4bcc0561284877110844 I take Chuck for a Donna Reed kinda guy. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 23:07:26 2009 Received: (qmail 11885 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 21:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 21:07:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC684E182E0 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC2BE240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546A134AC047 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:07:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D1E34AC046 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:07:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rtomcala@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.179.109.126]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KM400LWLFZH55H1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:06:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A4BCFE9.7040101@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:06:49 -0400 From: Rand E User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BCE7C.7020102@verizon.net> In-reply-to: <4A4BCE7C.7020102@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [OM] [Fwd: Macro stacking rig/Olympus DSLR] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 23:07:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4bd00e316964877110844 Sorry John, I was forwarding this really interesting bit of info and neglected to trim the list address off first. Rand E wrote: > This is from my Olympus list (hence the Olympus objective). The site > is a really interesting source of rather exotic information. > > In June issue of Micscape magazine - an online resource which is very > interesting - there is a good article on a "macro stacking setup using > an Olympus DSLR. Well worth looking at for this article alone! > > http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html > > ...first click on "JUNE" issue is now online! > Scroll down Index until you reach Macro stacking rig. Enjoy! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.1/2212 - Release Date: 07/01/09 05:53:00 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 23:09:17 2009 Received: (qmail 24057 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 21:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 21:09:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E419E182DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF27E240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EF719F408 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:09:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26EFC19F419 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:09:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 17 days 01:33:29 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-50-243.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.50.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n61L8vnr019623 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:08:58 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4BD072.9050206@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:09:06 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?Hats_off_-_Zuiko_300mm_=83/4=2C5_=3C--=3E_8?= =?windows-1252?q?5=7E250mm_=83/5_shootout=2C_by_Chuck=2E?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 23:09:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4bd07d21182517112723 I did, I did. But the 300/4,5 is so well built that you can hardly hear = its blades when shooting :-) Here you can see one from the 85~250 @ 100mm @ =83/11, OM 2n, Provia 100F Fernando. Ken Norton wrote: > Wow. I'm impressed by the 80-250. I never knew.... > > But that 300/4.5.... Yummy. > > AG > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 23:11:00 2009 Received: (qmail 4091 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 21:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 21:10:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67554E182CB for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2218E240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9410334AC023 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:10:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97AD34AC049 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:10:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28908 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jul 2009 21:10:48 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090630-0, 06/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?Hats_off_-_Zuiko_300mm_=83/4=2C5_=3C--=3E_8?= =?windows-1252?q?5=7E250mm_=83/5_shootout=2C_by_Chuck=2E?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 23:11:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4bd0e4270311946193717 It would have been nice to do a more controlled test indoors with flash = (no wind or changing light) but it's difficult to shoot at 40-50 times = focal length indoors in a small house at 300mm (I'll save you the math, = that's 12-15 meters. The 85-250 is clearly softer wide open at 250mm = than the 300/4.5. But the difference narrows pretty quickly on stopping = down. Pixel peeping 12.7MP images not shown here. :-) Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > I doubted long whether to invest money, effort and risk on a 300/4,5. I = > already owned a 85~250/5 and liked it a lot, it performed well enough = > even when coupled to the 2X-A to reach 500mm if the scene was not too = > demanding. Besides, the 200/4 coupled to the 2X-A never really = > disappointed me: I made more errors either when taking the picture or = > when scanning, than those who could be seen when I nailed both. I needed = > good reasons, and Gary's test didn't provide them. Ken's enthusiasm kept = > me interested, and finally I found what seemed to be a nice late sample = > of a 300/4,5. It was worth waiting for an MC version, as I happened to = > find in its diagram that some of its elements were different. I binned = > it at *Bay, and suddenly learned that it was risky for the seller to = > ship it to another address than the one provided by the buyer. From that = > point onwards, Chuck's help and Carlos Santisteban advice were of = > critical importance. I had asked Chuck to inspect the lens and return it = > if necessary, but seller was very reluctant to send it to Chuck's. = > Finally, we all came to an agreement and the Zuiko arrived to Chuck's = > home. After a very thorough inspection, one I couldn't have done better, = > Chuck wrote me about his positive evaluation and went into a field test, = > the 300 compared to the 85~250 @ 250mm at each F stop. He provided his = > own 85~250, and I suspect his sample was made at the Wyoming factory, = > because it has an extra f stop mine doesn't: between 5 and 8, his sample = > has 5,6 and thus could be directly compared to the prime at the same F = > value. ;-) [unexpected surprise below]. > = > End of story: the big package you already saw, passed through Customs = > without a question, without bureaucratic problems, without extra taxes. = > This really made me happy !! I have in mind that this very unusual event = > was possible because the 300 arrived on the date of birth of our = > National Hero: Jos=E9 Gervasio Artigas, June 19 1764. = > > = > I'm pasting here what Chuck told me about his methodology (partially = > edited, and omitted his conclusions, so you all can make each one's own): > = > I've finished the tests which are pretty simple. Just a collection of = > stuff in the back yard with one shot each from both lenses at full = > aperture, 5.6, 8, 11 and 16. I moved the camera closer for the 250 = > shots so that image size is very close between the two lenses. So there = > are 5 shots for each of 2 lenses =3D 10. The camera was pointed slightly = > downward. > = > In a nutshell, at f/11 there's nothing to choose between the 300 and = > 85-250 except longer focal length. Image quality appears the same. > There is a little sign in the lower right hand corner of each image = > telling the lens (300 or 250) and the aperture. All of the tests were = > shot at ISO 100 except that f/11 was done at ISO 200 and f/16 at ISO = > 400. I needed to keep the shutter speed reasonable and the 5D has = > almost no noise at 400. The wind was starting to blow a bit during the = > test so there may be a bit of motion blur in the flowers or in the hat. = > I used mirror lock and a remote release but I can't beat the wind = > completely. > = > Incidentally, none of the images has been sharpened for effect. Only = > capture sharpening has been applied. If you want to try your hand at = > sharpening I'm sure you can improve them a bit further. I just don't = > sharpen until I know the final print or display size. > = > Cheers. More to come. > Chuck > = > ***************** > = > I think they were somehow compressed when uploaded to Flickr. I will = > leave them there for a couple of weeks, then I shall delete them since = > I've reached the maximum amount admitted by Flickr beyond which I should = > buy their Pro account and I'm not willing to. > = > Paired by F, 1024 wide > = > 300/4,5: = > > ~250/5: = > > = > 300/5,6: = > > ~250/5,6: seriously ! :-( > = > 300/8: = > > ~250/8: = > > = > 300/11: = > > ~250/11: > = > 300/16: = > > ~250/16: > = > Enjoy, opinions welcome ! > = > Fernando. > = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 23:20:42 2009 Received: (qmail 28494 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 21:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 21:20:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BADEE181B1 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BD9E240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3E334AC047 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:20:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8016A34AC023 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:20:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com (mail-bw0-f221.google.com [209.85.218.221]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so696524bwz.14 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:20:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.2 with SMTP id f2mr10003889bkg.90.1246483234934; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:20:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4BD0D8.40408@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BD0D8.40408@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:20:34 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 66beea76f09b3eb6 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?Hats_off_-_Zuiko_300mm_=83/4=2C5_=3C--=3E_8?= =?windows-1252?q?5=7E250mm_=83/5_shootout=2C_by_Chuck=2E?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 23:20:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4bd329101711073733319 > > It would have been nice to do a more controlled test indoors with flash > (no wind or changing light) but it's difficult to shoot at 40-50 times > focal length indoors in a small house at 300mm (I'll save you the math, > that's 12-15 meters. The 85-250 is clearly softer wide open at 250mm > than the 300/4.5. But the difference narrows pretty quickly on stopping > down. Pixel peeping 12.7MP images not shown here. :-) > Interesting observation, Chuck. The one thing I marvel at with the 300/4.5 is how absolutely usable it is wide-open. There are very few lenses of any type that can claim that. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 23:28:12 2009 Received: (qmail 25789 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 21:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 21:28:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAC8E182D0 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D06FE240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0739119F480 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:28:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8527519F47A for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:28:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10932 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jul 2009 21:28:05 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090701-0, 07/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 23:28:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4bd4ec230931560218263 I don't know her name off the top of my head. I'll tell you later if I can figure it out. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > I take Chuck for a Donna Reed kinda guy. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 1 23:40:48 2009 Received: (qmail 7804 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 21:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 21:40:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D80CE182EE for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31270E240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2402834AC049 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:40:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B426234AC043 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:40:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21940 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jul 2009 21:40:41 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090701-0, 07/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?Hats_off_-_Zuiko_300mm_=83/4=2C5_=3C--=3E_8?= =?windows-1252?q?5=7E250mm_=83/5_shootout=2C_by_Chuck=2E?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 1 23:40:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4bd7e049921413256596 Yes, I noticed that wide open performance immediately myself. But I was more or less prepared for that from your frequent praise of the lens. But my biggest surprise was how close the 85-250 is after a bit of stopping down. I hadn't previously thought it was that sharp but then I realized I've used it very few times and always on distant subjects where I was contending with atmospheric turbulence. Even these images have to contend with some testing problems. It was late afternoon before I could get to the test. The sun was going down (changing light) and the wind was starting to pick up (motion blur). The test subjects are just what was readily available in the yard or the shed that also had some color. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> It would have been nice to do a more controlled test indoors with flash >> (no wind or changing light) but it's difficult to shoot at 40-50 times >> focal length indoors in a small house at 300mm (I'll save you the math, >> that's 12-15 meters. The 85-250 is clearly softer wide open at 250mm >> than the 300/4.5. But the difference narrows pretty quickly on stopping >> down. Pixel peeping 12.7MP images not shown here. :-) >> > > > Interesting observation, Chuck. The one thing I marvel at with the 300/4.5 > is how absolutely usable it is wide-open. There are very few lenses of any > type that can claim that. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 00:03:01 2009 Received: (qmail 30740 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 22:03:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 22:03:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABC0E182DC for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64778E240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549C23628005 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:02:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCAD34AC02B for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:02:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 17 days 02:27:12 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-50-243.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.50.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n61M2lc2024124 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:02:48 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4BDD0F.7070404@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:02:55 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BD0D8.40408@chucknorcutt.com> <4A4BD7D7.3070301@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4BD7D7.3070301@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?Hats_off_-_Zuiko_300mm_=83/4=2C5_=3C--=3E_8?= =?windows-1252?q?5=7E250mm_=83/5_shootout=2C_by_Chuck=2E?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 00:03:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4bdd15146469730998309 It is, very clearly so, at the 5,6 stop too. 100% on the .jpg you'd sent me. Fernando Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Yes, I noticed that wide open performance immediately myself. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 00:22:44 2009 Received: (qmail 29568 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 22:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 22:22:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14149E182DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F64E240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D1F19F58F for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789E119F58D for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:22:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19534 invoked by uid 504); 1 Jul 2009 22:22:34 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jul 2009 22:22:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4BE1A9.5080302@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:22:33 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BD0D8.40408@chucknorcutt.com> <4A4BD7D7.3070301@chucknorcutt.com> <4A4BDD0F.7070404@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4A4BDD0F.7070404@adinet.com.uy> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090701-0, 07/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?Hats_off_-_Zuiko_300mm_=83/4=2C5_=3C--=3E_8?= =?windows-1252?q?5=7E250mm_=83/5_shootout=2C_by_Chuck=2E?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 00:22:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4be1b4288081006886880 But you also have to recall that these shots are taken by he who can't see and he who can't focus. :-) Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > It is, very clearly so, at the 5,6 stop too. 100% on the .jpg you'd sent me. > > Fernando > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Yes, I noticed that wide open performance immediately myself. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 01:40:08 2009 Received: (qmail 6131 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 23:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 23:40:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948F0E182EA for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576A0E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A1134AC02D for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:39:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57F234AC02B for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:39:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8335 invoked by uid 502); 1 Jul 2009 23:39:55 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-174-27.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.174.27) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jul 2009 23:39:55 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4BF3C1.9070409@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:39:45 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com><3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN><1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com> <25E29A6DDF3E410F81C5385E1C6AB788@MAIN> <4A4B3CF1.8080408@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4B3CF1.8080408@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 01:40:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4bf3d8178031612113968 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Unsharp is unsharp whether by diffraction, depth of field or a small amount of motion blur. Sure. I'm just talking about my own work in finding the right combination for me. > With the 5D on a tripod doing landscape I try to stay at f/11... but I might bend that for foreground depth of field. But macro as CH shows here and Moose showed with his well-dressed fly are different things and especially if one is on a tripod and the other is freehand. I assume the fly was shot freehand and there additional depth of field is probably required just to compensate for the swaying camera. CH's shots, on the other hand, appear to be done on a tripod and have the benefit of time and careful composition to position the in and out-of-focus areas. I don't think it's necessarily different strokes for different folks but different strokes for different situations. > Quite different, although both hand-held. I was wandering about, chatting, looking in stores and store windows and casually shooting whatever caught my eye. The dog shot I recently posted was the next one after the fly, without changing lens. The lenses are wildly different, too. C.H. with classic 80/4 MF true macro lens and me with umpteen element, 11x zoom with built-in IS at 218mm. Still, I think the optimal focal place and DOF for any given subject and viewer will be much the same, regardless of what equipment creates it. For me, the plane of focus and DOF on the fly image are perfect, unlike the shot before it, where I missed the focus from a different angle before the fly relocated. > Finally, although the diffraction table for a 35mm size sensor shows that resolution at f/16 is diffraction limited to 7 megapixels, that's still more resolution than an E1. Furthermore, recalling that megapixels are an area measure and resolution is a linear measure the actual loss of resolution on a 5D between f/11 and f/16 is only about 25%. Good interpolation on ressing-up can probably hide a lot of that. > No rezzing up here, just a full pixel crop - with a little custom sharpening. Two different sharpening settings were applied selectively in different degrees to different areas. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 01:46:31 2009 Received: (qmail 23557 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2009 23:46:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 23:46:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231CAE182E0 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C782FE240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABAD19F6D7 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:46:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA3919F6CE for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:46:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18304 invoked by uid 502); 1 Jul 2009 23:46:25 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-174-27.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) 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Proper, to my taste, use of shallow DOF to create a strong image, almost more in a graphic than a photo sense. What could be annoying bokeh in another context is an asset in its graphic impact, creating an abstract quality I like. 5245 - Nope. The foreground softness doesn't bother me at all, but the fuzzy tip does. I think this is partially because of the composition. The tip is at the 'magic 2/3' location, where the primary subject is often placed as a matter of composition - and cant' stand up to that position. Nice background bokeh. 5264 - I really dislike this one. Not sure I could even say exactly why. 5273 - Nope. Trim off the front floret and get just a small extra DOF or move focal plane slightly to get the left front one all in focus, and I'd like it a lot. Simply lots of DOF to get the front one in focus would also work for me. 5279 - Not much really wrong, but doesn't do much for me. Oddly, I think it would be better without the open blossom, with the big, purple bud as the focal point of a semi-abstract composition. 5284 - Wonderful composition! Shallow DOF works fine, although I don't think a bit more, to catch the back of the 'scoop' on the lower left and the front edge of the lower right part would hurt, either. Great background bokeh. I would probably get rid of the OOF effect of a brightening edge on the top right of the inner 'ear' of the blossom. 5288 - Not much really wrong, but doesn't do much for me. 5295 - Nice subject, colors, composition and bokeh. I don't get the point of the shallow DOF on this one. The location of the plane of focus seems arbitrary. I would like it much better with the whole subject in focus. 5303 - Even more than 5245, the whole composition and color flow point directly at a culmination at the 2/3 point, but the subject there is fuzzy, while the parts pointing to it are very sharp. This might work well with the focal plane slightly deeper, so the purple tip is in focus. 5324 - Super! Exactly what shallow DOF is good for. I love the color and subtle tonal graduation. A tiny nit - I would try slightly blurring out the lines between the string of bright edged OOF highlight circles along the edge of the rear petal. A. Picky Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 04:14:20 2009 Received: (qmail 29317 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 02:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 02:14:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C820E181B1 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6507E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A0419F82D for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:14:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B40619F832 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:14:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 17 days 06:38:30 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-50-125.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.50.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n622E6VB006534 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:14:07 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4C17F7.8000303@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:14:15 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com><3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN> <1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 04:14:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c17fc15781879814018 I fear not whether I retain or lose my sanity when trying to learn or understand something. Otherwise, things would happen as Cervantes wrote about Don Quixote, and I know for sure things don't go that way. What I do when these kind of threads start spreading and loosing and getting confusing or contradictory, is to wait until its end. I would often recall a problem was once discussed here when out in the field, so I'm not facing the unknown by myself. At that moment I would try what I think best, and then would try to find what was discussed, and read the topic as a whole, from a distance, from different perspectives, mixing sources. I'd judge what I did (I mean, if it worked or not) after and during my understanding of the posed problem. Somehow I am convinced that I will not miss anything, there will be an opportunity to find what was missed without my knowing of having missed anything -- it feels as like a discovery. You know, it's been only a few days ago that I learned that it was completely normal that the 300/4,5 focuses 'past infinity'. I had never had a true telephoto before, and the time for my discovery arrived. I've read lots of things you wrote, Moose. Little by little I'm understanding things you said (perhaps long ago), finding coincident or complementary pieces of thought from other sources, the way they fit together, the way they don't fit together, the time to ask for help and how to do it timely. This approach is widespread in my pursuance, but all too often I fail to maintain it. Fernando. Bob Whitmire wrote: > How dare you approach this subject with sanity! Do something you want > to do and find that it works? Zounds and gadzooks man! > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > > > On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:30 AM, Moose wrote: > > >> In an attempt to retain my sanity, I've only loosely followed this >> thread. In addition to the possibility that I might learn something >> simple that would help in the field, our collective tendency to veer >> off >> in new directions without changing the subject line means I might miss >> something else interesting. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 04:27:29 2009 Received: (qmail 11042 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 02:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 02:27:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13105E182B8 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0928EE240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E673719F844 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:27:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA6A19F842 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:27:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 17 days 06:51:39 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-50-125.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.50.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n622RJ2o011642 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:27:19 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4C1B10.8080606@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:27:28 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com><3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN><1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com> <25E29A6DDF3E410F81C5385E1C6AB788@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <25E29A6DDF3E410F81C5385E1C6AB788@MAIN> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 04:27:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c1b11159801076813867 There is a 80/4 in my future ... what I'll find with more difficulty are those beautiful flowers. Handheld ? ... you must have gone digital ;-) Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I like the > feel more than everything in focus. > > Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html > > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 04:38:46 2009 Received: (qmail 12377 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 02:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 02:38:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07805E182CC for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2C0E240DF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A54019F643 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:38:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E571719F623 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:38:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 17 days 07:02:56 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-50-125.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.50.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n622cVZW014513 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:38:31 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4C1DB0.4010901@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:38:40 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com><3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN><1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com> <25E29A6DDF3E410F81C5385E1C6AB788@MAIN> <4A4BF8BD.4040401@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4BF8BD.4040401@gmail.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 04:38:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c1db695524877110844 Yes, I do agree at each point mentioned. Somehow it reminds me of what I answered Mr. Ling here: Fernando. Moose wrote: > 5223 - I know there are people who like this kind of effect, but I don't. > > 5226 - Fuzzy tips in the wrong places for me. > > 5231 - I like this one a lot. Proper, to my taste, use of shallow DOF to > create a strong image, almost more in a graphic than a photo sense. What > could be annoying bokeh in another context is an asset in its graphic > impact, creating an abstract quality I like. > > 5245 - Nope. The foreground softness doesn't bother me at all, but the > fuzzy tip does. I think this is partially because of the composition. > The tip is at the 'magic 2/3' location, where the primary subject is > often placed as a matter of composition - and cant' stand up to that > position. Nice background bokeh. > > 5264 - I really dislike this one. Not sure I could even say exactly why. > > 5273 - Nope. Trim off the front floret and get just a small extra DOF or > move focal plane slightly to get the left front one all in focus, and > I'd like it a lot. Simply lots of DOF to get the front one in focus > would also work for me. > > 5279 - Not much really wrong, but doesn't do much for me. Oddly, I think > it would be better without the open blossom, with the big, purple bud as > the focal point of a semi-abstract composition. > > 5284 - Wonderful composition! Shallow DOF works fine, although I don't > think a bit more, to catch the back of the 'scoop' on the lower left and > the front edge of the lower right part would hurt, either. Great > background bokeh. I would probably get rid of the OOF effect of a > brightening edge on the top right of the inner 'ear' of the blossom. > > 5288 - Not much really wrong, but doesn't do much for me. > > 5295 - Nice subject, colors, composition and bokeh. I don't get the > point of the shallow DOF on this one. The location of the plane of focus > seems arbitrary. I would like it much better with the whole subject in > focus. > > 5303 - Even more than 5245, the whole composition and color flow point > directly at a culmination at the 2/3 point, but the subject there is > fuzzy, while the parts pointing to it are very sharp. This might work > well with the focal plane slightly deeper, so the purple tip is in focus. > > 5324 - Super! Exactly what shallow DOF is good for. I love the color and > subtle tonal graduation. A tiny nit - I would try slightly blurring out > the lines between the string of bright edged OOF highlight circles along > the edge of the rear petal. > > A. Picky Moose > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 05:21:49 2009 Received: (qmail 3645 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 03:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 03:21:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37946E182B5 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F96E240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1A13628002 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:21:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B06B34AC023 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:21:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n623Lc3n023545 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:21:38 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com><3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN><1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com><25E29A6DDF3E410F81C5385E1C6AB788@MAIN> <4A4BF8BD.4040401@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:21:35 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 05:21:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c27cd206115683411216 Moose, thanks for the time to comment on each of them, I'm really appericated. First of all I list here my favorite ones - 5231, 5226, 5223, 5324, 5284 and 5264. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > 5223 - I know there are people who like this kind of effect, but I don't. > I found it looks interesting and this is an example of whole subject in focus does not work well. I original posted it as vertical and then changed to horizontal as it seems look better this way, it was a top shot so it doesn't have a natural orientation. > 5226 - Fuzzy tips in the wrong places for me. I also want every tip in focus but that was impossible. My eyes are a little different, they automatically look at the points in focus. Even some of the focus were shifted to the lower part of the 'branches' they look perfectly ok to me. > > 5231 - I like this one a lot. Proper, to my taste, use of shallow DOF to > create a strong image, almost more in a graphic than a photo sense. What > could be annoying bokeh in another context is an asset in its graphic > impact, creating an abstract quality I like. Thanks, this is my most favorite one. Also a very difficult one during shooting, I took a few shots afterward with some at different angles but still not as good as this first one. > > 5245 - Nope. The foreground softness doesn't bother me at all, but the > fuzzy tip does. I think this is partially because of the composition. > The tip is at the 'magic 2/3' location, where the primary subject is > often placed as a matter of composition - and cant' stand up to that > position. Nice background bokeh. > You are right, I noticed the fuzzy tip during shooting, I did try to focus on the tip but then most of the front parts are too soft, it is not a good sample. > 5264 - I really dislike this one. Not sure I could even say exactly why. > Not sure why I selected this one but I like it. > 5273 - Nope. Trim off the front floret and get just a small extra DOF or > move focal plane slightly to get the left front one all in focus, and > I'd like it a lot. Simply lots of DOF to get the front one in focus > would also work for me. This is not a really good shot in my eyes, I just try to see if anyone has different views. For this flower a top shot will bring all in focus but it doesn't look very interesting. At life size, if the objects are not very close in the same plan stopping down will not bring them in focus. I will try another shooting angle with tripod next time. > > 5279 - Not much really wrong, but doesn't do much for me. Oddly, I think > it would be better without the open blossom, with the big, purple bud as > the focal point of a semi-abstract composition. > I agree with you but on that day nearlly all buds group has open blossoms. > 5284 - Wonderful composition! Shallow DOF works fine, although I don't > think a bit more, to catch the back of the 'scoop' on the lower left and > the front edge of the lower right part would hurt, either. Great > background bokeh. I would probably get rid of the OOF effect of a > brightening edge on the top right of the inner 'ear' of the blossom. > Not much to say but I had another one that I like more, a front top shot which only focus on the tip with the petals far OOF as background, unfortunately it was very fuzzy due to motion blur. > 5288 - Not much really wrong, but doesn't do much for me. > Agree, not a really special one. > 5295 - Nice subject, colors, composition and bokeh. I don't get the > point of the shallow DOF on this one. The location of the plane of focus > seems arbitrary. I would like it much better with the whole subject in > focus. > I only have problem with the front OOF bud, I tried another angle to let both at the same plan but then the object (the one like octopus) doesn't look good. > 5303 - Even more than 5245, the whole composition and color flow point > directly at a culmination at the 2/3 point, but the subject there is > fuzzy, while the parts pointing to it are very sharp. This might work > well with the focal plane slightly deeper, so the purple tip is in focus. > I agree this one will help with stop down. > 5324 - Super! Exactly what shallow DOF is good for. I love the color and > subtle tonal graduation. A tiny nit - I would try slightly blurring out > the lines between the string of bright edged OOF highlight circles along > the edge of the rear petal. > Thanks again! > A. Picky Moose Nope, I always think one must be demanding otherwise you will never be improved. C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 05:29:00 2009 Received: (qmail 24019 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 03:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 03:28:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DEDE182E7 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D069E240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D89834AC02D for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:28:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD5C34AC02B for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:28:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n623SrLe026199 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:28:53 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com><3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN><1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com><25E29A6DDF3E410F81C5385E1C6AB788@MAIN> <4A4C1B10.8080606@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:28:51 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 05:29:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c297c40211560218263 Sure, a 5D II at ISO 500-1000, with film it is expensive :-) I took 100 shots and only got a few good ones. Ok, if I had used film the successful rate would be much higher and I won't shot these without tripod. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > There is a 80/4 in my future ... what I'll find with more difficulty are > those beautiful flowers. > > Handheld ? ... you must have gone digital ;-) > > Fernando. > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I like the >> feel more than everything in focus. >> >> Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html >> >> C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 05:34:52 2009 Received: (qmail 30332 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 03:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 03:34:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F207BE182B4 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C0DE240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C847019F8F5 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:34:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4577F19F480 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:34:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n623YiYc028106 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:34:44 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:34:37 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?Hats_off_-_Zuiko_300mm_f/4=2C5_=3C--=3E_85=7E?= =?iso-8859-1?q?250mm_f/5_shootout=2C_by_Chuck=2E?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 05:34:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c2adc24851560218263 Good for you with a 85-250 that you like, my sample has strong purple fringe under test target. I may take it for field test to see if the purple fringe will bother me in general shots. Even my 50-250 is technically better (sharper edge to edge) but the nicer bokeh of 85-250 will help for some events. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:39 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4,5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. > Here it is, the lost Wyoming shot !: > > ~250/5,6: > > > And yes, they were resized from 4368 to 1024 wide. > > Fernando. > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> 300/5,6: >> >> ~250/5,6: seriously ! :-( -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 06:16:25 2009 Received: (qmail 27143 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 04:16:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 04:16:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD6EE182E1 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D00AE240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1600719FDE5 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:16:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA5019FDE4 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:16:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18534 invoked by uid 502); 2 Jul 2009 04:16:16 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-174-27.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.174.27) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Jul 2009 04:16:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4C3489.2070200@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:16:10 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4B78DB.1050908@tc.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: <4A4B78DB.1050908@tc.umn.edu> Subject: Re: [OM] Images As The Mood Strikes - 17 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 06:16:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c349927656107113666 Dean Hansen wrote: > Moose recently posted: > > I don't know who this little creature is, but I love its outfit. > > > Maybe someone here will know. Dean? > > Moose has taken a shot of a Syrphid Fly or Flower Fly (family Syrphidae). It, well, simply looks like a syrphid fly, at least to an entomologist. Thanks, Dean! My dad would have known, but has been unavailable for such questions for a couple of decades. > .... Like Moose, I also like its (her) outfit. > .... The adults are habitual visitors of flowers and are considered of importance second only to some species of bees in the cross-pollination of many economic plants." > I've of course read the many doomsday articles about the plight of honeybees, their keepers and the commercial crops that depend on them. Given nature's general tendency toward redundancy, I thought wild plants would probably not be affected all that much. I do indeed see fewer honeybees in my garden, but there are several other insects that visit the flowers, as well as hummingbirds. Most enjoyable has been the increase in big, fat bumblebees. > I'd say this particular flower fly was simply resting on a plant leaf when Moose was able to get his shot. The rule with any portrait is to focus on the eyes. Moose did just that. Good job. > Thanks! The fly was flitting around and I waited until it alit for a moment. 5D AF is good and worked here, aided by f16 DOF. Even if I had wanted to do MF, the fly would have moved on. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 06:37:22 2009 Received: (qmail 31938 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 04:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 04:37:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DD1E182B3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05464E240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E029834AC02D for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:37:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD68934AC02B for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:37:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 17 days 09:01:32 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-50-125.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.50.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n624b6rL021643 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 01:37:07 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4C397B.1040808@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:37:15 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy> <199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 06:37:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c398276047801554290 Yes, I always believed my 85~250 sample was a good one. Never tested under test target, but certainly did under the most difficult lighting situations one could imagine -- always on Provia / Velvia, though. Did only a few shots with the 2X-A, and in one of them only, I found a little of barrel dist. No chroma, never. I'm happy now with the 300/4,5, I remember you had also encouraged me to fetch one. I took my time, this sample is beautiful. And I had good luck at every step -- specially at the Custom's Office !. Walking out with such a packet, I was laughing inside. Cheers :-) Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > Good for you with a 85-250 that you like, my sample has strong purple fringe > under test target. I may take it for field test to see if the purple fringe > will bother me in general shots. Even my 50-250 is technically better > (sharper edge to edge) but the nicer bokeh of 85-250 will help for some > events. > > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 06:41:15 2009 Received: (qmail 10391 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 04:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 04:41:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440B9E182B8 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE32E240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A100D34AC02D for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:41:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF81734AC02B for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:41:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 17 days 09:05:26 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-50-125.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.50.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n624f6ph021833 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 01:41:06 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4C3A6B.2040606@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:41:15 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy> <199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 06:41:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c3a6b75021220213263 In fact, it was your Lotus photograph who made me wish a 300/4.5, seriously, for the first time. True !. Fernando. ************************************** Yes, I always believed my 85~250 sample was a good one. Never tested under test target, but certainly did under the most difficult lighting situations one could imagine -- always on Provia / Velvia, though. Did only a few shots with the 2X-A, and in one of them only, I found a little of barrel dist. No chroma, never. I'm happy now with the 300/4,5, I remember you had also encouraged me to fetch one. I took my time, this sample is beautiful. And I had good luck at every step -- specially at the Custom's Office !. Walking out with such a packet, I was laughing inside. Cheers :-) Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > Good for you with a 85-250 that you like, my sample has strong purple fringe > under test target. I may take it for field test to see if the purple fringe > will bother me in general shots. Even my 50-250 is technically better > (sharper edge to edge) but the nicer bokeh of 85-250 will help for some > events. > > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 07:13:13 2009 Received: (qmail 4842 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 05:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 05:13:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E5BE182F2 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D97E240D3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B107019FE2F for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:13:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF74619FE2E for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:13:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 17 days 09:37:24 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-50-125.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.50.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n625CjPj023824 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:12:47 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4C41D6.2020504@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:12:54 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com><3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN><1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com><25E29A6DDF3E410F81C5385E1C6AB788@MAIN> <4A4C1B10.8080606@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] my view on the use of a tripod was: Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 07:13:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c41e9175601744846740 That's it: most of what Moose pointed out, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have done it the way you did if you had used a tripod. I mean, IMHO and this only rules for me, I use a tripod always if practically possible - and I do so mainly to compose thoroughly. I would use one even at ISO 3200, I pay special care to composition and a tripod is of great help. Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > Sure, a 5D II at ISO 500-1000, with film it is expensive :-) I took 100 > shots and only got a few good ones. Ok, if I had used film the successful > rate would be much higher and I won't shot these without tripod. > > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 09:02:45 2009 Received: (qmail 13650 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 07:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 07:02:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC87E182D4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39907E240D3 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAC634AC043 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:02:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115DE34AC040 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:02:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-44-151.iburst.co.za ([41.213.44.151]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 307 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:14:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:02:28 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 09:02:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c5b9510712439112457 Hi All, I have heard so many varied opinions on this, but have yet seen very few images (preferably fairly high res) to show the character and performance of the OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0. I know many (Ag Schnozz...) prefer the f/2.8 version, but my style of shooting is largely centered on shallow depth of field, yet I like the 35mm focal length. Could you guys perhaps reply with some opinions and images taken with the 35mm f/2.0, preferably wide open? How would you rate the performance compared to later 50/1.8 lenses? thanks a million, Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 09:05:23 2009 Received: (qmail 336 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 07:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 07:05:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B35FE1822B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3B8E240D3 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814083628002 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:05:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894BC34AC02B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:05:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8420917.1391246519036919.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-44-151.iburst.co.za ([41.213.44.151]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 329 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:17:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A4BEFEE.13742.3199AA8@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:05:09 +0200 References: <4A4BEFEE.13742.3199AA8@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 09:05:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c5c3357101220213263 Beautiful images, and this of course makes me lust for that 80/4.0 even more now, to keep my lonely 65-116 tube company... "C.H.Ling" wrote > For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I > like the > feel more than everything in focus. > > Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html > > C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 09:42:02 2009 Received: (qmail 9868 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 07:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 07:42:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE0EE182AE for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45ADBE240D3 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B3534AC02D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:41:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B621234AC02B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:41:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (orink@t6b.com whitelisted) Received: from zimbra2.t6wireless.com (zimbra2.t6wireless.com [66.254.202.21]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra2.t6wireless.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332A5C8E36F for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:41:56 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra2.t6wireless.com Received: from zimbra2.t6wireless.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra2.t6wireless.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vs1phNK3OiP8 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:41:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from zimbra2.t6wireless.com (zimbra2.t6wireless.com [66.254.202.21]) by zimbra2.t6wireless.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A55C8D8BD for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:41:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:41:51 -0500 (CDT) From: orink@t6b.com To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <8995542.238731246520511843.JavaMail.root@zimbra2> In-Reply-To: <1053729.238711246520473890.JavaMail.root@zimbra2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [66.114.186.4] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.12_GA_2789.UBUNTU6 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/5.0.12_GA_2789.UBUNTU6) Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 09:42:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c64ca118351073733319 Hi, Dave: I have three 35mm 2.0 lenses and several 50mm 1.8s with high and low serial #s.Also an OM lens adapter for my digital 330. I'd be glad to perform the tests you ask, on my digital OM body, but I'd like some input from more knowledgable group members as to whether one can usefully evaluate the older lenses on a digital body. The advantage of course would be quick image processing turn-around. What are the disadvantages, if any. My understanding is that images taken at f/2.0 on the 35mm lens would be less sharp that images taken at f 2.8 with the same 35mm lens. As Ever, Orin Keplinger near Chicago ___________________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawid Loubser" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 2:02:28 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 Hi All, I have heard so many varied opinions on this, but have yet seen very few images (preferably fairly high res) to show the character and performance of the OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0. I know many (Ag Schnozz...) prefer the f/2.8 version, but my style of shooting is largely centered on shallow depth of field, yet I like the 35mm focal length. Could you guys perhaps reply with some opinions and images taken with the 35mm f/2.0, preferably wide open? How would you rate the performance compared to later 50/1.8 lenses? thanks a million, Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 09:44:10 2009 Received: (qmail 15545 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 07:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 07:44:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3F2E182F4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FCEE240D3 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA0C19DA08 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:44:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99B419D9FE for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:44:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d.rhein@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Avjw1c0010lTkoCAEvk68d; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:44:06 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.21.30.251]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Avk51c0065R4sQw8Qvk6Xt; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:44:06 +0000 Message-ID: <1942336FB0EB4E5FB77F567B88004726@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <847591.10722.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:44:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Macro stacking rig/Olympus DSLR X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 09:44:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c654a34149730998309 Great article John, thanks for the tip. Who know flies have hairs growing out of their compound eyes. Darin ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN DUGGAN" > > In June issue of Micscape magazine - an online resource which is very > interesting - there is a good article on a "macro stacking setup using an > Olympus DSLR. Well worth looking at for this article alone! > http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/index.html > Scroll down Index until you reach Macro stacking rig. Enjoy! > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 10:02:11 2009 Received: (qmail 12493 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 08:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 08:02:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFB4E182EB for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 01:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01092E240D3 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 01:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FC634AC040 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 01:02:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982C634AC02D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 01:02:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.221.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 01:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk5 with SMTP id 5so1717953qyk.22 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:02:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.61.2 with SMTP id r2mr10201631qah.131.1246521725973; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:02:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 01:02:05 -0700 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0907020102m6cb20381q6fdb213f1343345f@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 10:02:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c6983187364877110844 It's not the sharpest F2 lens around, but then again, Olympus was balancing size/weight and performance so *generally* speaking, the Zuiko do not excel until a stop or two, or three beyond wide open. EXCEPT for the 50/2, it competes well even against a Summicron. Anyway, the 35/2 is a competent lens. If you like the 35 focal length, you'll probably like it. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Hi All, > > I have heard so many varied opinions on this, but have yet seen very > few images (preferably fairly high res) > to show the character and performance of the OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0. I > know many (Ag Schnozz...) prefer the f/2.8 > version, but my style of shooting is largely centered on shallow depth > of field, yet I like the 35mm focal length. > -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.rfman.com blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 11:57:27 2009 Received: (qmail 17183 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 09:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 09:57:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8F2E182EC for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A491E240D3 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E2C19DFC7 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:57:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C1519DFAB for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:57:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n629vHdD031911 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:57:17 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n629vGpr026226 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:57:16 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <8B6383FDA0F94075845BC76EC3A95245@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:56:56 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 11:57:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c848718576789618724 In my experience 35/2 is the least sharp Zuiko wide among the F2 group. For the F2 Zuiko wide, the order of resolution at infinity would be: 21/2, 24/2, 28/2 and 35/2. 21/2 and 24/2 are very close in performance. 21/2, 24/2 and 28/2 has close focus correction, they should perform better at close distance. I think the price reflect the quality very well, 35/2 is the cheapest F2 wide, of course it is also due to this focal length is easier to make. BTW, I just made some test shot with 35/2, 24/2 and 50/1.4 SC, you can see the performance of both 24/2 and 50/1.4 are better but the 35/2 shot is still very usable. (the focus point is at "Central Valley") http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5479_35F2.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5480_24F2.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5481_5014F2.JPG C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawid Loubser" > Hi All, > > I have heard so many varied opinions on this, but have yet seen very > few images (preferably fairly high res) > to show the character and performance of the OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0. I > know many (Ag Schnozz...) prefer the f/2.8 > version, but my style of shooting is largely centered on shallow depth > of field, yet I like the 35mm focal length. > > Could you guys perhaps reply with some opinions and images taken with > the 35mm f/2.0, preferably wide open? How would > you rate the performance compared to later 50/1.8 lenses? > > thanks a million, > Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 12:17:32 2009 Received: (qmail 9461 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 10:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 10:17:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB18E182EF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30684E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A0219E096 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:17:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5D519E089 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:17:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so1728349ewy.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:17:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.3.206 with SMTP id 56mr3131478weh.99.1246529845244; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:17:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0907020102m6cb20381q6fdb213f1343345f@mail.gmail.com> References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7ac27f4f0907020102m6cb20381q6fdb213f1343345f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:17:25 +0200 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 12:17:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c893c152291234514069 Hello Dawid, I had the 35f2, but traded it for a 40f2. It is not that wideangle, but is very compact and a good performer wide open. Well, mine is, and now the standard lens on the 5D. There are varied opinions on this lens as well, so I guess there might be some sample variation? Or some use it without hood, and some with. I always use it with hood since that improves handling very much. You control aperture by turning the (large) hood. Iwert 2009/7/2 Richard Man <>: > It's not the sharpest F2 lens around, but then again, Olympus was > balancing size/weight and performance so *generally* speaking, the > Zuiko do not excel until a stop or two, or three beyond wide open. > > EXCEPT for the 50/2, it competes well even against a Summicron. > > Anyway, the 35/2 is a competent lens. If you like the 35 focal length, > you'll probably like it. > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Dawid Loubser<> wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I have heard so many varied opinions on this, but have yet seen very >> few images (preferably fairly high res) >> to show the character and performance of the OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0. I >> know many (Ag Schnozz...) prefer the f/2.8 >> version, but my style of shooting is largely centered on shallow depth >> of field, yet I like the 35mm focal length. >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 12:38:07 2009 Received: (qmail 3214 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 10:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 10:38:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E137DE182E1 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72520E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DD63628002 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:38:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F57B34AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:38:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n62AbuNh014495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:37:58 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <70BFEA1C-488D-44C9-8786-204D48BD5B32@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: <70BFEA1C-488D-44C9-8786-204D48BD5B32@Bytesmiths.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:37:46 +1000 Message-ID: <000301c9fb01$24870fa0$6d952ee0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn3DZ5YJWVh+ge3Ty+7n3Uz3AhJHgD81jnw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Depth of field preview X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 12:38:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c8e0f27241136683642 Good to see that CA quote popping up from time-to-time Jan. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > :::: When a place is lifeless or unreal, there is almost always a > mastermind behind it. -- Christopher Alexander > :::: Jan Steinman "http://www.EcoReality.org" > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 12:52:11 2009 Received: (qmail 29587 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 10:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 10:52:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32234E182F3 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFF9E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DCD019E164 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:52:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954FB19E15D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:52:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-005.ctimail.com [61.93.57.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n62Aq36V017572 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:52:03 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n62Aq3OG013938 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:52:03 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <2F7FEFEA6AEC43749A828D02A207D039@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4BEFEE.13742.3199AA8@bj.caverock.net.nz> <8420917.1391246519036919.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:51:53 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 12:52:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c915b52911612113968 Thanks for looking, Dawid. 80/4 is designed as 1:1 slide copying lens, the resolution must be great, you won't be disappointed. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawid Loubser" > Beautiful images, and this of course makes me lust for that 80/4.0 > even more now, > to keep my lonely 65-116 tube company... > > > "C.H.Ling" wrote > >> For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I >> like the >> feel more than everything in focus. >> >> Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html >> >> C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 13:20:09 2009 Received: (qmail 21872 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 11:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 11:20:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FCBE182E2 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 04:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A361BE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 04:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAE234AC040 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 04:20:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90A634AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 04:20:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 04:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n62BJwce007740 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:19:58 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n62BJvKF022101 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:19:57 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <8FD2B29385A346BA8F572E0B4AD8020E@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><7ac27f4f0907020102m6cb20381q6fdb213f1343345f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:19:55 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 13:20:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c97e9124644877110844 You trade a 35/2 for a 40/2? I think you can only trade half or even 1/3 of a 40/2 :-) If I had know the 40/2 is that good I would have purchase it new in 1988 but I purchased a 35/2 which cost two 40/2 at that time. I think the chance of sample variation is not that high for such a simple mid-range fix lens. May be people expecting a US$400-500 lens performance.... yes, it doesn't worth that much. BTW, I also use a hood on the 40/2... the tiny Olympus Z-49 metal hood, it looks very nice! C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "iwert bernakiewicz" > Hello Dawid, > > I had the 35f2, but traded it for a 40f2. It is not that wideangle, > but is very compact and a good performer wide open. > Well, mine is, and now the standard lens on the 5D. There are varied > opinions on this lens as well, so I guess there might be some sample > variation? Or some use it without hood, and some with. I always use it > with hood since that improves handling very much. > You control aperture by turning the (large) hood. > > Iwert > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 13:26:06 2009 Received: (qmail 27702 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 11:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 11:26:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AD4E182D1 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 04:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668F8E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 04:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342D834AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 04:26:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9888E34AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 04:26:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 04:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n62BPbFR018476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:25:48 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:25:26 +1000 Message-ID: <000401c9fb07$d31b3bd0$7951b370$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn4Uh6HaaGOtch1TgW4L39DrSP30gCtZZNw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 13:26:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4c994e98611258626592 ...and how do you pronounce that name anyhow ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] > Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 10:29 AM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) > > Who is this "Ctein" character ? Sounds like a made up persona. > > jh > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 14:30:02 2009 Received: (qmail 16532 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 12:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 12:30:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D49E182DC for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 05:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA21E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 05:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F38634AC02D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 05:29:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A3934AC02B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 05:29:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 05:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n62CTjva015382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:29:46 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com> <3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN> <1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com> <000.48590400b4574b4a.004@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: <000.48590400b4574b4a.004@comkal.net> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:29:34 +1000 Message-ID: <000501c9fb10$c2da8880$488f9980$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn6SGoDmre/miCrQQq+m/kRr1aiXgAx4X5w Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 14:30:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ca84a52301220213263 > > I think you may have just shown me why I dont like a lot of the > photos I take outdoors here in Victoria Australia :o) > > Give me sunlight ! > Tell me about it ! Just spent a week in Bright (totally misleading name for the place). Dense overcast every day, p*ss*ng down with rain most of the time, only redeeming things were that the local wineries were open and I had some fun driving through mud ! I'll post a few images within the next few days. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 15:29:28 2009 Received: (qmail 3847 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 13:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 13:29:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A169EE182DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF384E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE6519E644 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:29:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A04B19E637 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:29:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28173 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jul 2009 13:29:18 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Jul 2009 13:29:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4CB62E.5080006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:29:18 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy> <199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090701-0, 07/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 15:29:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cb638228131234514069 I'm sending you the full size image and you'll see there's no purple fringe. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Good for you with a 85-250 that you like, my sample has strong purple fringe > under test target. I may take it for field test to see if the purple fringe > will bother me in general shots. Even my 50-250 is technically better > (sharper edge to edge) but the nicer bokeh of 85-250 will help for some > events. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:39 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4,5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, > by Chuck. > > >> Here it is, the lost Wyoming shot !: >> >> ~250/5,6: >> >> >> And yes, they were resized from 4368 to 1024 wide. >> >> Fernando. >> >> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >>> 300/5,6: >>> >>> ~250/5,6: seriously ! :-( > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 15:30:15 2009 Received: (qmail 31255 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 13:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 13:30:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E24FE182F1 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78315E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D95934AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:29:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9483434AC02B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:29:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com (mail-bw0-f228.google.com [209.85.218.228]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so234510bwz.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:29:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.59.73 with SMTP id k9mr31688bkh.167.1246541386171; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:29:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4C41D6.2020504@adinet.com.uy> References: <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN> <1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com> <25E29A6DDF3E410F81C5385E1C6AB788@MAIN> <4A4C1B10.8080606@adinet.com.uy> <4A4C41D6.2020504@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:29:46 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 63192b87d5ce0c6d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] my view on the use of a tripod was: Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 15:30:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cb66760555034211378 I absolutely agree with Fernando. A tripod is the single most valuable aid to composition I can think of. Obviously, it isn't for everything--such as for people and event photography--even street photography would be a stretch. But one of the main reasons why medium and large-format images have the distinctive look that they do is because of tripod use. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 15:32:21 2009 Received: (qmail 16478 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 13:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 13:32:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2299E182D9 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCC7E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22FE19E653 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:32:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3421E19E62A for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:32:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so905533fxm.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:32:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.59.73 with SMTP id k9mr33782bkh.167.1246541533674; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:32:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000401c9fb07$d31b3bd0$7951b370$@com.au> References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com> <000401c9fb07$d31b3bd0$7951b370$@com.au> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:32:13 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7a5d05cdd311fbf0 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 15:32:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cb6e563496107113666 > > ...and how do you pronounce that name anyhow ? > I'm probably wrong, but probably See tin. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 15:37:59 2009 Received: (qmail 11161 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 13:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 13:37:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C29E182F0 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CD0E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE7E19E678 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:37:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B93D19E66C for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:37:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2467 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jul 2009 13:37:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090701-0, 07/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 15:37:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cb837244751073733319 From one of Mike Johnston's blog pages Ctein is pronounced "kuh-TINE." And it's really legally his only name. Which sometimes leads to problems...for instance, on one site he has to be none Ctein," because not having a first name is not an option...so he answered "Name: First_______" with, of course, "none." Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > ...and how do you pronounce that name anyhow ? > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] >> Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 10:29 AM >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) >> >> Who is this "Ctein" character ? Sounds like a made up persona. >> >> jh >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 15:40:15 2009 Received: (qmail 26209 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 13:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 13:40:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC49E182E4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30C8E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8F719E683 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:40:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C26219E66C for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:40:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 17 days 18:04:24 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-16-54.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.16.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n62Ddvbd028923 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:39:58 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4CB8B7.2000607@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:40:07 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com> <000401c9fb07$d31b3bd0$7951b370$@com.au> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 15:40:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cb8bf274771560218263 Tin, just like the Tin - Man ? Fernando Ken Norton wrote: >> ...and how do you pronounce that name anyhow ? >> >> > > > I'm probably wrong, but probably See tin. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 15:40:56 2009 Received: (qmail 23005 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 13:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 13:40:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2664EE1822B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D89E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8227319E683 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:40:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CC619E678 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:40:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so910917fxm.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:40:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.197.14 with SMTP id z14mr29461mup.92.1246542014847; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:40:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4CB830.2010703@chucknorcutt.com> References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com> <000401c9fb07$d31b3bd0$7951b370$@com.au> <4A4CB830.2010703@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:40:14 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3e4d8e153019d444 Message-ID: <9f07ac840907020640i1be67d59q18ef5162357cdef4@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 15:40:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cb8e8314021879814018 Would that be KUH-TEEN or KUH-TYNE ? Jez On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > From one of Mike Johnston's blog pages > > Ctein is pronounced "kuh-TINE." > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 15:55:31 2009 Received: (qmail 9197 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 13:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 13:55:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8EBE182E1 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F85E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E673628002 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:55:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4D334AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:55:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com (mail-bw0-f228.google.com [209.85.218.228]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so251859bwz.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:55:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.20 with SMTP id o20mr95999bkq.1.1246542921764; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:55:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8FD2B29385A346BA8F572E0B4AD8020E@MAIN> References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <7ac27f4f0907020102m6cb20381q6fdb213f1343345f@mail.gmail.com> <8FD2B29385A346BA8F572E0B4AD8020E@MAIN> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:55:21 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fec5f35d721a5b60 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 15:55:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cbc5366601136683642 I have a personal love of the 35mm focal length because it acts as my "normal" lens. But I wouldn't call it a wide-angle. Common mid-range zooms were 35-70mm which really are just covering the range from "short-normal to long-normal" 35mm isn't wide and 70mm isn't telephoto. 28mm is a wide-angle not just because it's shorter than a 35mm, but because the image takes on a different look. 28mm is nice because it's a wide-angle, but it doesn't distort the images from subject proximity like wider-angles do. 24mm is distinctly well into the wide-angle range and has extensive subject proximity distortion. 21mm is like the 24mm, only wider. Beyond that point, the lenses tend to lose most of their usefulness. A 35/2 is a really nice lens, and is a bit better in use than the specifications indicate. But there are issues. The 35/2 is a bear to focus on a 2-series focus screen. Perfect on a 1-series, but somehow it doesn't match up well with the ultra-fine microprism 2-series screen and it doesn't "snap" into focus. The 28/2 is possibly the most useful true wide-angle Zuiko F2 lens. It is also extremely sharp. If you've used the Zuiko 28/3.5, trust me when I say that the difference is as night and day as they come. Even saying that they share the same focal-length is stretching it. My own preference to the 35/2.8 is several fold: 1. I own one. 2. Bokeh is classic, uniform, linear and totally natural at all apertures. 3. Small and lightweight. 4. 49mm filter-ring size. 5. Focusing ease on 2-series screens. 6. Contrast of the silvernosed version is perfect for B&W and Velvia. I made the mistake of selling my original 35/2.8. Tom Scales, when cleaning out the last of his "All Things Olympus" called me up and asked me if I'd like a silvernosed 35/2.8. Do dogs bark? Within a week I felt like I had returned home. I've contemplated getting an F2 lens in the 24-35mm range, but figure that my money is best spent on other things--like film! It's a wonderful feeling knowing that you really do have everything you need and the only wants are just wants. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 15:56:29 2009 Received: (qmail 27076 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 13:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 13:56:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDA3E182B2 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D68E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555F119E6DD for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:56:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1583E19E6CF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:56:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (daniel.sepke@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pz0-f173.google.com (mail-pz0-f173.google.com [209.85.222.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk3 with SMTP id 3so1536630pzk.22 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.23.19 with SMTP id a19mr135555waj.49.1246542961583; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DSPT60 ([216.174.58.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m28sm4358031waf.2.2009.07.02.06.55.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:56:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel Sepke" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com> <000401c9fb07$d31b3bd0$7951b370$@com.au> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:55:57 -0400 Message-ID: <4a4cbc70.1cbd720a.717d.ffffde86@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn7GYftaQbqWpN2Rh+GFbSap+yBeQAAgXRg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 15:56:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cbc8d254462517112723 I still giggle to think of him as Cretin after Moose jokingly pondered on the closeness of his name to that other word a year or two back. The adoption of a single legal name is pretentious in my books and I have personally less respect for him a result. I cannot deny he is very through practitioner but it's hard to get past this abuse of a nickname. For me it's just another part of the internet cult of celebrity sadly. Dan S. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Norton Subject: Re: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) > > ...and how do you pronounce that name anyhow ? > I'm probably wrong, but probably See tin. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 15:57:57 2009 Received: (qmail 22244 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 13:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 13:57:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD64E182AF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467F6E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAE719E71E for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:57:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F22719E729 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:57:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com (mail-bw0-f228.google.com [209.85.218.228]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so253557bwz.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:57:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.55.1 with SMTP id s1mr66581bkg.132.1246543069092; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:57:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1942336FB0EB4E5FB77F567B88004726@daingtanfxkwk9> References: <847591.10722.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1942336FB0EB4E5FB77F567B88004726@daingtanfxkwk9> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:57:49 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f2d6e7ddff23d164 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Macro stacking rig/Olympus DSLR X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 15:57:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cbce5201955683411216 > > Great article John, thanks for the tip. Who know flies have hairs growing > out of their compound eyes. > Old flies have hairs growing out of their ears too. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 16:14:29 2009 Received: (qmail 13651 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 14:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 14:14:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DE1E1822B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E628E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBF73628002 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:14:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605743628003 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:14:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 17 days 18:38:40 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-16-54.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.16.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n62EEH8I031543 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:14:18 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4CC0C3.7080503@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:14:27 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com> <000401c9fb07$d31b3bd0$7951b370$@com.au> <4a4cbc70.1cbd720a.717d.ffffde86@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4a4cbc70.1cbd720a.717d.ffffde86@mx.google.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] the internet cult of celebrity sadly, was: More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 16:14:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cc0c4155262517112723 True !!!!! I'm absolutely fed up with this parasite phenomenon. Examples everywhere. Fernando. Daniel Sepke wrote: > the internet cult of celebrity sadly. > > Dan S. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 16:40:29 2009 Received: (qmail 11479 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 14:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 14:40:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31804E182B3 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA65E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B7B19E84F for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:40:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD7B19E85C for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:40:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n62EeGYX022158 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:40:16 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <4A4CB62E.5080006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:39:59 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 16:40:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cc6dd291364877110844 Thanks for the sample, unfortunately (fortunately, my lens is not alone) there is purple fringe as seen on this crop. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2064es.jpg C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. > I'm sending you the full size image and you'll see there's no purple > fringe. > > Chuck Norcutt > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Good for you with a 85-250 that you like, my sample has strong purple >> fringe >> under test target. I may take it for field test to see if the purple >> fringe >> will bother me in general shots. Even my 50-250 is technically better >> (sharper edge to edge) but the nicer bokeh of 85-250 will help for some >> events. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4,5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 >> shootout, >> by Chuck. >> >> >>> Here it is, the lost Wyoming shot !: >>> >>> ~250/5,6: >>> >>> >>> And yes, they were resized from 4368 to 1024 wide. >>> >>> Fernando. >>> >>> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >>>> 300/5,6: >>>> >>>> ~250/5,6: seriously ! :-( >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 17:26:50 2009 Received: (qmail 18190 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 15:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 15:26:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20712E182AE for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1826E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EC219E9F2 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:26:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FAC719E9DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:26:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f183.google.com (mail-yx0-f183.google.com [209.85.210.183]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe13 with SMTP id 13so2569007yxe.22 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:26:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.138.7 with SMTP id l7mr227493and.141.1246548403476; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:26:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy> <199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:26:43 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907020826yc5dfa05i1580fbd63c0c332a@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 17:26:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cd1b9216819752976205 The 85-250 used to be my standard long lens on many outings. It was somewhat supplanted by the Tamron SP 80-200/2.8. I never fully adapted to the Tamron simply because I never had a 77mm PL which was of sufficient quality to match the Tamron. I figured I was going to have to buy new and test, but by then I was messing around with digital stuff. Also between the two the Tamron has been much more useful on an E body because of the speed and the relative ease in manual focusing. But I have always loved the form factor of the 85-250 -- so Zuiko-ish, like a larger 75-150/4. The reach between 200 and 250mm always seemed a real benefit and I used it frequently. Joel W. On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:34 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Good for you with a 85-250 that you like, my sample has strong purple fringe > under test target. I may take it for field test to see if the purple fringe > will bother me in general shots. Even my 50-250 is technically better > (sharper edge to edge) but the nicer bokeh of 85-250 will help for some > events. > > C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 17:42:05 2009 Received: (qmail 24765 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 15:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 15:42:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326E8E182E8 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F887E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A1219EA40 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:41:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0AEC19EA38 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com (mail-gx0-f207.google.com [209.85.217.207]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so2593490gxk.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:41:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.249.5 with SMTP id w5mr319732anh.28.1246549315149; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:41:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8420917.1391246519036919.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <4A4BEFEE.13742.3199AA8@bj.caverock.net.nz> <8420917.1391246519036919.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:41:55 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907020841q7c6b7794u6677a4e3a0c262e7@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 17:42:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cd54d202915683411216 This will raise the usual statements of denigration with respect to the 90/2, but I believe it was Giles Stewart, once the list mum (?), who posted comparison images of the 80 and 90 which to my eyes showed a greater 3D realism to the rendering by the 90/2. As a result I have never yearned for the 80 and instead keep the 135 permanently on the tubes. The comparison image was raindrops on a windshield IIRC, and not really in the macro realm, whereas Ling's images appear to be in the 1:10 and closer range, where other qualities may be emerging that favor the 80. I should add that nothing about the 80 seemed bad, just that the 90 version was a wow to my eyes. I don't know if Ling remembers Giles' comparison images, but I think his experience with the lenses has always seemed to favor the 80 over the 90, so I suspect like any good Zuik you'll have to have them both and see for yourself. As for me lately, I've been experimenting with both the 85/2 and 135/2.8 with 7mm tube for close focusing. Haven't sent the film off yet, but I recall John Lind got very nice results especially with the 85/2 plus bit of extension. So many lovely ways to skin the cat. Joel W. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Beautiful images, and this of course makes me lust for that 80/4.0 > even more now, > to keep my lonely 65-116 tube company... > > > "C.H.Ling" =A0wrote > >> For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I >> like the >> feel more than everything in focus. >> >> Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html >> >> C.H.Ling > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 17:57:33 2009 Received: (qmail 4510 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 15:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 15:57:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E7CE182E3 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024BEE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB8034AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:57:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FF234AC02B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:57:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n62FvIgH000753 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:57:23 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n62FvHIg004923 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:57:18 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <99D735DE8600430FB83DD6B616920693@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <9e908c1f0907020826yc5dfa05i1580fbd63c0c332a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:57:04 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 17:57:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cd8ed219731560218263 I also found the extra reach of the 50/85-250mm is rather useful otherwise the 65-200 can replace them with half stop faster, I never thought about the 80-200/2.8 due to its weight. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" > The 85-250 used to be my standard long lens on many outings. It was > somewhat supplanted by the Tamron SP 80-200/2.8. I never fully > adapted to the Tamron simply because I never had a 77mm PL which was > of sufficient quality to match the Tamron. I figured I was going to > have to buy new and test, but by then I was messing around with > digital stuff. Also between the two the Tamron has been much more > useful on an E body because of the speed and the relative ease in > manual focusing. But I have always loved the form factor of the > 85-250 -- so Zuiko-ish, like a larger 75-150/4. The reach between 200 > and 250mm always seemed a real benefit and I used it frequently. > > Joel W. > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:34 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: >> Good for you with a 85-250 that you like, my sample has strong purple >> fringe >> under test target. I may take it for field test to see if the purple >> fringe >> will bother me in general shots. Even my 50-250 is technically better >> (sharper edge to edge) but the nicer bokeh of 85-250 will help for some >> events. >> >> C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 18:00:22 2009 Received: (qmail 16645 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 16:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 16:00:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A54EE182DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F77BE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9B334AC040 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:00:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB7D34AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:00:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com (mail-gx0-f207.google.com [209.85.217.207]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so2612845gxk.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:00:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.34.3 with SMTP id h3mr282919anh.137.1246550412071; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:00:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:00:12 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907020900m418c7d61jefd7ed40e152ff60@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 18:00:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cd99616251342116753 On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Hi All, > > I have heard so many varied opinions on this, but have yet seen very > few images (preferably fairly high res) > to show the character and performance of the OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0. I > know many (Ag Schnozz...) prefer the f/2.8 > version, but my style of shooting is largely centered on shallow depth > of field, yet I like the 35mm focal length. > > Could you guys perhaps reply with some opinions and images taken with > the 35mm f/2.0, preferably wide open? How would > you rate the performance compared to later 50/1.8 lenses? I dropped Giles Stewart's name in my response to you about the 80/4, and another recollection of Giles comes to mind in this context. He got a 35-80/2.8 shortly before I did (while I was still making up my mind about it). We traded some off-list mail about it and his comment was that with the 35-80 you can give your "primes a well-earned rest." Shortly after he sold his 35/2 as I recall. Do you need f2? That would be my consideration. However, everyone is different and when I tend to gravitate to a moderate wide, I seem most often to skip over 35 and go to 28, so take it with a grain of salt. I suspect you "need" one. To make a rational decision, of course. ;^) Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 18:05:46 2009 Received: (qmail 11062 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 16:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 16:05:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258FAE1822B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FDDE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFABE19EB40 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:05:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C3119E7A3 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:05:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f183.google.com (mail-yx0-f183.google.com [209.85.210.183]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe13 with SMTP id 13so2610736yxe.22 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:05:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.197.2 with SMTP id u2mr288522anf.138.1246550735065; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:05:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <99D735DE8600430FB83DD6B616920693@MAIN> References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy> <199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <9e908c1f0907020826yc5dfa05i1580fbd63c0c332a@mail.gmail.com> <99D735DE8600430FB83DD6B616920693@MAIN> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:05:35 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907020905r33902748s4c6552e3ab6b311@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 18:05:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cdada187831234514069 It's a monster. Pack it with the 35-80 and the 300/4.5 and you may as well take the old Bogen and leave the carbon fiber at home as you're going to get a workout no matter what. Joel W. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:57 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > I also found the extra reach of the 50/85-250mm is rather useful otherwise > the 65-200 can replace them with half stop faster, I never thought about the > 80-200/2.8 due to its weight. > > C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 18:10:52 2009 Received: (qmail 3801 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 16:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 16:10:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04B9E182F5 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB91E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9B634AC02B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:10:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E67334AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:10:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-128.ctimail.com [61.93.57.128]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n62GAhg5017442 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 00:10:44 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n62GAhvF008822 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 00:10:43 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <7CDE861E8E9C4D7DA4D103488DC23F6C@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <4A4C3A6B.2040606@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 00:10:20 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 18:10:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cdc0c218881413256596 Congratulations with your "new" 300/4.5, it is a good performer, you will like it. Sometimes you really need the extra reach and better lens performance, a fix 300mm is the solution. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > In fact, it was your Lotus photograph who made me wish a 300/4.5, > seriously, for the first time. > True !. > > Fernando. > > ************************************** > > Yes, I always believed my 85~250 sample was a good one. Never tested > under test target, but certainly did under the most difficult lighting > situations one could imagine -- always on Provia / Velvia, though. Did > only a few shots with the 2X-A, and in one of them only, I found a > little of barrel dist. No chroma, never. I'm happy now with the 300/4,5, > I remember you had also encouraged me to fetch one. I took my time, this > sample is beautiful. And I had good luck at every step -- specially at > the Custom's Office !. Walking out with such a packet, I was laughing > inside. > > Cheers :-) > > Fernando. > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Good for you with a 85-250 that you like, my sample has strong purple >> fringe >> under test target. I may take it for field test to see if the purple >> fringe >> will bother me in general shots. Even my 50-250 is technically better >> (sharper edge to edge) but the nicer bokeh of 85-250 will help for some >> events. >> >> C.H.Ling >> > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 18:11:40 2009 Received: (qmail 30206 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 16:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 16:11:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525E6E182E4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2DBE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3D619EB9D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:10:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.117 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.117 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E976F19EB93 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:10:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 17 days 20:35:07 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-16-54.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.16.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n62GAeUI008576 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:10:41 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4CDC0A.9000102@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:10:50 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <4A4CB62E.5080006@chucknorcutt.com> <4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 18:11:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cdc3c158421357919056 mmmmmmmmmmmm - and you were kind enough not to include the shadow on the = Castrol bottle in the crop, but the border of the green leave and the = shadow of the knob over that green whatever-it-is-called is enough proof. OTOH, the 300 @ =83/4,5 shows blue or neutral instead of purple, and where = purple is very strong at ~250 @=83/5 there is still a little purple (I'm = optimistically estimating 1/5th) in the 300 @ =83/4,5. Over all glimpse at = the 300mm shots shows it more neutral and maybe yellow perhaps, while = the zoom is warmer. I thought this to be due to changing lighting = conditions (the zoom test was done after the prime, warmer sunlight), = but now I've seen another reason. Mr. Ling, are we not pixel peeping a 15-11 old zoom, second = generation after the 75~150? I remember that when it was first = introduced, MPhotography found it soft at its long end, and complained = on this (tested together with the 35~70 =83/3,6 - found outstanding). I = wonder how the contemporary one touch 80~200/4 Nikkor everyone was using = at that time, would stand up in this very test - and the two touch = 80~200/4 Canon FD I happened to use once, on a A1. Wow, I feel my new purchase much better justified now - nonetheless, if = I were to walk along the same Paris / Rome streets I did during 1991 I = would carry the 85~250 instead of the 200/4 or the 300/4,5. And would = have used KM instead of Ektachrome 100 (I was advised against using KM = in Paris, because Kodak should send them to London for processing -- and = I obeyed !!. I was young then ... ) ;-) Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks for the sample, unfortunately (fortunately, my lens is not alone) > there is purple fringe as seen on this crop. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2064es.jpg > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootou= t, > by Chuck. > > > = >> I'm sending you the full size image and you'll see there's no purple >> fringe. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >> = >>> Good for you with a 85-250 that you like, my sample has strong purple >>> fringe under test target. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 18:17:49 2009 Received: (qmail 26166 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 16:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 16:17:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565A7E182B4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352E5E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEB519EC08 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:17:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FC519EC07 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:17:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com (mail-bw0-f228.google.com [209.85.218.228]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so350709bwz.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:17:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.115.143 with SMTP id i15mr196472bkq.103.1246551462681; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:17:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907020900m418c7d61jefd7ed40e152ff60@mail.gmail.com> References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <9e908c1f0907020900m418c7d61jefd7ed40e152ff60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:17:42 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5400990fe8f7d47c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 18:17:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cddad132581879814018 > > I dropped Giles Stewart's name in my response to you about the 80/4, > and another recollection of Giles comes to mind in this context. He > got a 35-80/2.8 shortly before I did (while I was still making up my > mind about it). We traded some off-list mail about it and his comment > was that with the 35-80 you can give your "primes a well-earned rest." > Shortly after he sold his 35/2 as I recall. > I absolutely agree with Giles, except for two things: Straight lines and size/weight. The 35-80 doesn't do so hot in keeping straight lines straight and the size/weight is definitely noticed when the camera is hanging from your neck. Otherwise, yes, it's a one-lens solution--and among the best "people lenses" I've ever used. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 18:27:46 2009 Received: (qmail 20839 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 16:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 16:27:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807FDE182DC for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B61E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5A519EC91 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:27:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BEF519EC8A for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com (mail-bw0-f228.google.com [209.85.218.228]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so357048bwz.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:27:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.102.76 with SMTP id f12mr191033bko.137.1246552059260; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:27:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907020905r33902748s4c6552e3ab6b311@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy> <199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <9e908c1f0907020826yc5dfa05i1580fbd63c0c332a@mail.gmail.com> <99D735DE8600430FB83DD6B616920693@MAIN> <9e908c1f0907020905r33902748s4c6552e3ab6b311@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:27:39 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 72343032368637e6 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 18:27:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ce002306801744846740 One thing I observed about Joel's 80-200 is the "snap" when it is in focus. The image doesn't mush into focus, it snaps into focus. It is also a well-balanced lens with no awkward habits. I had to quickly return it back to him because I was developing a rapid case of lens-lust. But it was Joel's 300/4.5 that almost made a disappearing act. I'm not sure he's ever forgiven me for my having the lens when the pelicans started taking flight. He had the 80-200 on his camera and I had the 300/4.5. Needless to say, it was rough when we got back to Iowa City, when I had to return all his toys which included the 300/4.5. (PS, I've taken 200-300 shots in the last week with the 300/4.5 on the E-1--half of which were wide-open) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 18:36:01 2009 Received: (qmail 31086 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 16:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 16:36:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31EE1E182B8 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29318E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105A019EA81 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:35:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8B719EB98 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:35:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (hanse112@tc.umn.edu whitelisted) Received: from mta-m3.tc.umn.edu (mta-m3.tc.umn.edu [134.84.135.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.243.165.90] (216-243-165-90.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.165.90]) by mta-m3.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:35:55 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] 216-243-165-90.dialup.iphouse.net [216.243.165.90] #+TS+AU+HN Message-ID: <4A4CE2EA.9000204@tc.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:40:10 -0500 From: Dean Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] Flies with eye hair, and Midge Magic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 18:36:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ce1f1320891342116753 Darin recently posted: "Great article John, thanks for the tip. Who knew flies have hairs growing out of their compound eyes." Actually, I've known that for years. When I was doing my thesis research on a group of midges, one character used to differentiate various species from each other was the presence or absence of, well, hairs growing out of their compound eyes. I even illustrated these hairs in my thesis. (Trust me, you don't want to read it.) Eyes hairy verses eyes bare, and one gets the 30-some species separated into two more manageable groups. But if you do want to read something really interesting and readable on midges, get a copy of OM list member Don Holbrook's book on tying tiny trout flies, "Midge Magic." His macro set-up uses an OM 2N, bellows, the (manual) 20 and 38mm macro lenses, the 80/4 macro, and either a ring flash or two T32s. I haven't done a book report for 49 years now, not since Miss Magnuson's 12th grade English class, but I'll maybe do one for list members on Don's midge book. I think it's simply great. Wonderful job, Don! And enjoy your fishing this summer! Dean -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 18:36:55 2009 Received: (qmail 6799 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 16:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 16:36:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37939E182ED for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E46AE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5992B19EC76 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:36:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E2619EB41 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:36:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 17 days 21:00:40 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-16-54.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.16.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n62GaCpE010492 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:36:12 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4CE206.9040608@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:36:22 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy> <199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <9e908c1f0907020826yc5dfa05i1580fbd63c0c332a@mail.gmail.com> <99D735DE8600430FB83DD6B616920693@MAIN> <9e908c1f0907020905r33902748s4c6552e3ab6b311@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 18:36:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ce227302961744846740 Grrrrrrrrrr ... I've taken three Velvia 50, in a rush. Today is a beautiful sunshine winter day, and I don't feel like going out due to a mild flu. Maybe I will ... :-) Fernando. Ken Norton wrote: > (PS, I've taken 200-300 shots in the last week with the 300/4.5 on the > E-1--half of which were wide-open) > > AG > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 18:37:01 2009 Received: (qmail 2788 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 16:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 16:37:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47DAE181A4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4859E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6DE19EB98 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:36:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181C719EA81 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:36:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n62Ga4K0005007 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 00:36:04 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n62Ga3l8015528 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 00:36:03 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <86FF728995084839A9BE31E475CEA830@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <4A4CB62E.5080006@chucknorcutt.com><4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> <4A4CDC0A.9000102@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 00:35:59 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 18:37:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ce22d286564877110844 Don't worry, many of the non L lenses and some L lenses also has purple = fringe. Some Zuiko zooms also do quite well, the 65-200, 50-250, 28-48 are = ok. Don't know about the 80-200/4 Nikkor but the AF 180/2.8 do show some PF = under strong water reflections but not bad. The 35-70/3.6 and 85-250/5 was said to be very good according to Olympus = Lens Handbook, it can replace single focal length lenses.... but it seems = over stated for the 85-250. The 35-70/3.6 has very good resolution but the = PF at 70mm is also very serious wide open. The Zuiko is not alone, Tamron S= P = 35-80/2.8-4 also has strong PF same for the SP 70-210 3.5-4. BTW, I'm not really picky but some lenses' PF are just so serious that can = be seen at a glance. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" mmmmmmmmmmmm - and you were kind enough not to include the shadow on the Castrol bottle in the crop, but the border of the green leave and the shadow of the knob over that green whatever-it-is-called is enough proof. OTOH, the 300 @ =83/4,5 shows blue or neutral instead of purple, and where purple is very strong at ~250 @=83/5 there is still a little purple (I'm optimistically estimating 1/5th) in the 300 @ =83/4,5. Over all glimpse at the 300mm shots shows it more neutral and maybe yellow perhaps, while the zoom is warmer. I thought this to be due to changing lighting conditions (the zoom test was done after the prime, warmer sunlight), but now I've seen another reason. Mr. Ling, are we not pixel peeping a 15-11 old zoom, second generation after the 75~150? I remember that when it was first introduced, MPhotography found it soft at its long end, and complained on this (tested together with the 35~70 =83/3,6 - found outstanding). I wonder how the contemporary one touch 80~200/4 Nikkor everyone was using at that time, would stand up in this very test - and the two touch 80~200/4 Canon FD I happened to use once, on a A1. Wow, I feel my new purchase much better justified now - nonetheless, if I were to walk along the same Paris / Rome streets I did during 1991 I would carry the 85~250 instead of the 200/4 or the 300/4,5. And would have used KM instead of Ektachrome 100 (I was advised against using KM in Paris, because Kodak should send them to London for processing -- and I obeyed !!. I was young then ... ) ;-) Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks for the sample, unfortunately (fortunately, my lens is not alone) > there is purple fringe as seen on this crop. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2064es.jpg > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 = > shootout, > by Chuck. > > > >> I'm sending you the full size image and you'll see there's no purple >> fringe. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >> >>> Good for you with a 85-250 that you like, my sample has strong purple >>> fringe under test target. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 19:25:08 2009 Received: (qmail 285 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 17:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 17:25:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F85BE182E6 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB832E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52FD19EE96 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD87C19EEAB for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:25:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-108.ctimail.com [61.93.57.108]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n62HOutj025297 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:24:57 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n62HOtwi000051 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:24:55 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <5E7ED14785BE4E51AD5DFDB70C56453A@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4BEFEE.13742.3199AA8@bj.caverock.net.nz><8420917.1391246519036919.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <9e908c1f0907020841q7c6b7794u6677a4e3a0c262e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:24:47 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 19:25:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ced74142311946193717 Although I complained about the bokeh of 90/2 in some situations but it is still a great lens. The color/tonal rendering is probably the best among all Zuikos I have used, that's why it have greater 3D look. I don't remember the images Giles posted but I can assure the 90/2 has this special quality. 80/4 and 90/2 are two different animals, 80/4 is designed for 1:2 to 2:1, the images I just posted are all 1:1 shots, I don't find any overlap on them. I seldom use the 80/4 as it was mainly for insects but I was too lazy in these few years, it need lots of patience for finding insects. I hope below can balance out the 90/2 fans feel :-) Shot on June 24. Also, the aim was accompany my elder son for a photo session so only did a few shots. http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/90F2A/90F2A.html C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" This will raise the usual statements of denigration with respect to the 90/2, but I believe it was Giles Stewart, once the list mum (?), who posted comparison images of the 80 and 90 which to my eyes showed a greater 3D realism to the rendering by the 90/2. As a result I have never yearned for the 80 and instead keep the 135 permanently on the tubes. The comparison image was raindrops on a windshield IIRC, and not really in the macro realm, whereas Ling's images appear to be in the 1:10 and closer range, where other qualities may be emerging that favor the 80. I should add that nothing about the 80 seemed bad, just that the 90 version was a wow to my eyes. I don't know if Ling remembers Giles' comparison images, but I think his experience with the lenses has always seemed to favor the 80 over the 90, so I suspect like any good Zuik you'll have to have them both and see for yourself. As for me lately, I've been experimenting with both the 85/2 and 135/2.8 with 7mm tube for close focusing. Haven't sent the film off yet, but I recall John Lind got very nice results especially with the 85/2 plus bit of extension. So many lovely ways to skin the cat. Joel W. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Beautiful images, and this of course makes me lust for that 80/4.0 > even more now, > to keep my lonely 65-116 tube company... > > > "C.H.Ling" wrote > >> For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I >> like the >> feel more than everything in focus. >> >> Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html >> >> C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 19:34:33 2009 Received: (qmail 9232 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 17:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 17:34:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A59E181A4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB71E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B261B34AC02D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:34:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFA034AC02B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:34:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090702173426.TOCQ20709.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:34:26 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id B5aR1c00B4Z9Gks025aRH7; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:34:25 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uEz1gkdb7vgA:10 a=xjW31z2RAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=UWWxGwcpQZowgVIUUvsA:9 a=SAFEyOXEWPujnPH14FcA:7 a=sPVqyuh0bug29P-c3VGSYG-3KgkA:4 a=IKds56vswl8A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=BM50urTeQqk9D6e2:21 a=K3j0TWzKFWZEgvTN:21 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><7ac27f4f0907020102m6cb20381q6fdb213f1343345f@mail.gmail.com><8FD2B29385A346BA8F572E0B4AD8020E@MAIN> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:34:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 19:34:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cefa9267087801554290 I've got both a 35/2 and a 28/2. The 28, which I h ave thanks to Tom Scales, is sharp enough to shave with. It is, in fact, the sharpest lens I've ever owned, and I've owned a lot. The 35, however just doesn't do it for me. I'm with you, it's a normal, and I"d love to love it, but it just isn't that good. It's not all that sharp, and is a little bit flat. I really really wish it was better. I've never had the 2.8 or 3.5 versions. I would recommend, strangly, the 28-48 zoom. I've used mine a lot, and it's better than the 35/2. I really really enjoy that lens. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 >I have a personal love of the 35mm focal length because it acts as my > "normal" lens. But I wouldn't call it a wide-angle. Common mid-range zooms > were 35-70mm which really are just covering the range from "short-normal > to > long-normal" 35mm isn't wide and 70mm isn't telephoto. > > 28mm is a wide-angle not just because it's shorter than a 35mm, but > because > the image takes on a different look. 28mm is nice because it's a > wide-angle, but it doesn't distort the images from subject proximity like > wider-angles do. 24mm is distinctly well into the wide-angle range and > has > extensive subject proximity distortion. 21mm is like the 24mm, only > wider. > Beyond that point, the lenses tend to lose most of their usefulness. > > A 35/2 is a really nice lens, and is a bit better in use than the > specifications indicate. But there are issues. The 35/2 is a bear to > focus > on a 2-series focus screen. Perfect on a 1-series, but somehow it doesn't > match up well with the ultra-fine microprism 2-series screen and it > doesn't > "snap" into focus. > > The 28/2 is possibly the most useful true wide-angle Zuiko F2 lens. It is > also extremely sharp. If you've used the Zuiko 28/3.5, trust me when I > say > that the difference is as night and day as they come. Even saying that > they > share the same focal-length is stretching it. > > My own preference to the 35/2.8 is several fold: > 1. I own one. > 2. Bokeh is classic, uniform, linear and totally natural at all apertures. > 3. Small and lightweight. > 4. 49mm filter-ring size. > 5. Focusing ease on 2-series screens. > 6. Contrast of the silvernosed version is perfect for B&W and Velvia. > > I made the mistake of selling my original 35/2.8. Tom Scales, when > cleaning > out the last of his "All Things Olympus" called me up and asked me if I'd > like a silvernosed 35/2.8. Do dogs bark? Within a week I felt like I had > returned home. > > I've contemplated getting an F2 lens in the 24-35mm range, but figure that > my money is best spent on other things--like film! It's a wonderful > feeling > knowing that you really do have everything you need and the only wants are > just wants. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2214 - Release Date: 07/02/09 05:54:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 19:44:21 2009 Received: (qmail 27228 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 17:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 17:44:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FBBE182EF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F97AE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF1F34AC02B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:44:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F52A34AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:44:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl33.gs02.gridserver.com (cl33.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.42]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-157-221.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.157.221]:51410 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by cl33.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MMQKP-0004PO-Rq for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:44:11 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:44:36 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 Thread-Index: Acn7PMPlAj3FWGcwEd6bEQAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 19:44:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cf1f599791073733319 I have the f and f2.8 versions of the Zuiko 35mm. I agree that the f2 isn't the sharpest 35mm lens in the world, but I like its bokeh better than the f2.8 lens. I don't think the 35/2.8 is spectacularly sharp either compared to the non-OM 35mm lenses I have. I have the 35/3.5 Super Takumar for Pentax screwmount, which is INCREDIBLY sharp, and I have the 35mm f1.7 Ultron for Leica screwmount, which I use with an adapter on my Bessa R2. It is sharper than the OM 35's too but not as much as the pentax lens I have. I've always wanted to try the 28-48 zoom, it looked interesting but you rarely see them for sale. I've never even seen one in real life! I don't know if I'd like the f4 max. aperture though, I find the 35-70 f4 hard to focus, so I imagine the 28-48 is probably hard to focus for me too. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-5101 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 7/2/09 1:34 PM, "Sue Pearce" wrote: > I've got both a 35/2 and a 28/2. The 28, which I h ave thanks to Tom > Scales, is sharp enough to shave with. It is, in fact, the sharpest lens > I've ever owned, and I've owned a lot. > > The 35, however just doesn't do it for me. I'm with you, it's a normal, and > I"d love to love it, but it just isn't that good. It's not all that sharp, > and is a little bit flat. I really really wish it was better. > > I've never had the 2.8 or 3.5 versions. > > I would recommend, strangly, the 28-48 zoom. I've used mine a lot, and it's > better than the 35/2. I really really enjoy that lens. > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:55 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 > > >> I have a personal love of the 35mm focal length because it acts as my >> "normal" lens. But I wouldn't call it a wide-angle. Common mid-range zooms >> were 35-70mm which really are just covering the range from "short-normal >> to >> long-normal" 35mm isn't wide and 70mm isn't telephoto. >> >> 28mm is a wide-angle not just because it's shorter than a 35mm, but >> because >> the image takes on a different look. 28mm is nice because it's a >> wide-angle, but it doesn't distort the images from subject proximity like >> wider-angles do. 24mm is distinctly well into the wide-angle range and >> has >> extensive subject proximity distortion. 21mm is like the 24mm, only >> wider. >> Beyond that point, the lenses tend to lose most of their usefulness. >> >> A 35/2 is a really nice lens, and is a bit better in use than the >> specifications indicate. But there are issues. The 35/2 is a bear to >> focus >> on a 2-series focus screen. Perfect on a 1-series, but somehow it doesn't >> match up well with the ultra-fine microprism 2-series screen and it >> doesn't >> "snap" into focus. >> >> The 28/2 is possibly the most useful true wide-angle Zuiko F2 lens. It is >> also extremely sharp. If you've used the Zuiko 28/3.5, trust me when I >> say >> that the difference is as night and day as they come. Even saying that >> they >> share the same focal-length is stretching it. >> >> My own preference to the 35/2.8 is several fold: >> 1. I own one. >> 2. Bokeh is classic, uniform, linear and totally natural at all apertures. >> 3. Small and lightweight. >> 4. 49mm filter-ring size. >> 5. Focusing ease on 2-series screens. >> 6. Contrast of the silvernosed version is perfect for B&W and Velvia. >> >> I made the mistake of selling my original 35/2.8. Tom Scales, when >> cleaning >> out the last of his "All Things Olympus" called me up and asked me if I'd >> like a silvernosed 35/2.8. Do dogs bark? Within a week I felt like I had >> returned home. >> >> I've contemplated getting an F2 lens in the 24-35mm range, but figure that >> my money is best spent on other things--like film! It's a wonderful >> feeling >> knowing that you really do have everything you need and the only wants are >> just wants. >> >> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2214 - Release Date: 07/02/09 > 05:54:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 20:09:09 2009 Received: (qmail 18949 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 18:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 18:09:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC11E182EE for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667BCE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6057A19EFEC for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:09:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A7B19EFDD for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:09:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1091820fxm.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:09:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.140 with SMTP id d12mr28081hbg.146.1246558141445; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:09:01 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 20:09:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cf7c5161444877110844 Hi all, The 35/2 was my first (and, for many years, my only) Zuiko, and IMHO performs rather poor wide open -- I always used it as if it were a f/2.8 lens with an "emergency" f/2 setting... Maybe I got a "dog", or it was greatly improved when going blacknosed (mine was silvernose), but I won't dare to buy another one to test... That even lead me to go into "the dark side". However, after trying a 300/4.5, a 50/1.8 and later a 28/2, I recovered my faith on Zuikos ;-) If you like to use it wide-open, I would recommend the 40/2 as an alternative -- although they're ridiculously expensive nowadays! But the FOV is not too different, it's _very_ compact and sharp enough wide-open. Bokeh seems beautiful, too. Some pics taken with it: (on film) (on digital) I think of 35mm as a "standard" lens, but 40 will do the trick -- 45 and beyond is too long for me. On the other hand, you may consider the Zuiko 28/2, which is much better than the 35 (although not _terribly_ sharp wide open) and is, by the way, the most compact of the F2-wides -- the only one with 49mm filters! Speaking of the fast wides, my order of preference differs a bit from that of Mr. Ling: I would rate the 24/2 the best, then the 21/2, 28/2 (somewhat lower at f/2) and, far away, the 35/2 :-( The 28-48 zoom is nice and sharp, even surpassing some primes... but at the corners suffers somewhat, the 28/2.8 (and the 28/3.5, which is even _sharper_) does better. And it's much slower than f/2, so no real alternative here. BTW, I also had the 35/2.8, but saw no real advantage... my only Zuiko in 35mm focal is now the lightweight 35-70/3.5-4.5, very sharp and contrasty. I did some research to "find" what I disliked about the 35/2, like with some usually highly regarded lenses (Tamron 24/2.5, Oly XA's 35/2.8, Canonet QL17, etc). After doing the "star-test" (I'm into astrophotography too) I have a hypothesis: the main aberration of the aforementioned lenses (Zuiko 35/2 included) is coma, but in a way I would call "inwards coma" -- the misplaced rays of a light point are spread radially, pointing to the _centre_... ...while some other lenses (the Tamron 28/2.5 and the Zuiko 50/1.4, for instance) exhibit "outwards coma", where the rays spread to the corners. That would make a "soft" image, but in a way I find more pleasant, or at least much less disturbing. Sorry for the rant :-) Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 20:22:36 2009 Received: (qmail 25606 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 18:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 18:22:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86EE0E182E4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C89E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E36819F03C for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:22:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820F419F045 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:22:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17252 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jul 2009 18:22:28 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Jul 2009 18:22:28 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4CFAE3.3050303@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:22:27 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <4A4CB62E.5080006@chucknorcutt.com> <4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090701-0, 07/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 20:22:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cfaec238041234514069 Hmmm. You are correct and obviously more sensitive to it than I am. Looked at that critically, the 300/4.5 also exhibits some purple fringing in the same (very high contrast) areas. I wonder is this lens or 5D sensor? Anyhow, after printing your crop at 300 ppi (2 x 1.4" image, which would make a full image print of approx. 10x16) I can no longer see the fringe. But if I ress it up to twice the size at 300 ppi (20x32" print size I can see it. But I first have to be trained to look for it. :-) Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks for the sample, unfortunately (fortunately, my lens is not alone) > there is purple fringe as seen on this crop. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2064es.jpg > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, > by Chuck. > > >> I'm sending you the full size image and you'll see there's no purple >> fringe. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> Good for you with a 85-250 that you like, my sample has strong purple >>> fringe >>> under test target. I may take it for field test to see if the purple >>> fringe >>> will bother me in general shots. Even my 50-250 is technically better >>> (sharper edge to edge) but the nicer bokeh of 85-250 will help for some >>> events. >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" >>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >>> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4,5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 >>> shootout, >>> by Chuck. >>> >>> >>>> Here it is, the lost Wyoming shot !: >>>> >>>> ~250/5,6: >>>> >>>> >>>> And yes, they were resized from 4368 to 1024 wide. >>>> >>>> Fernando. >>>> >>>> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >>>>> 300/5,6: >>>>> >>>>> ~250/5,6: seriously ! :-( >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 20:30:57 2009 Received: (qmail 626 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 18:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 18:30:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD05E182B4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6AFE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E1C19F07A for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:30:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DD919F079 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:30:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24508 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jul 2009 18:30:50 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Jul 2009 18:30:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4CFCD9.1060501@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:30:49 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <4A4CB62E.5080006@chucknorcutt.com> <4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> <4A4CDC0A.9000102@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4A4CDC0A.9000102@adinet.com.uy> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090701-0, 07/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 20:30:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cfce1197301950411718 "that green whatever-it-is-called" is an impact water sprinkler head. The things in the photo are mostly what was colorful and handy from the garden tool shed. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > mmmmmmmmmmmm - and you were kind enough not to include the shadow on the > Castrol bottle in the crop, but the border of the green leave and the > shadow of the knob over that green whatever-it-is-called is enough proof. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 20:42:15 2009 Received: (qmail 24148 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 18:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 18:42:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC69E1822D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0FDE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D6919F0B9 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:42:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B863E19F09F for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:42:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3040 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jul 2009 18:42:07 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090702-0, 07/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 20:42:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4cff87226447801554290 KUH-TYNE Chuck Norcutt Jez Cunningham wrote: > Would that be KUH-TEEN or KUH-TYNE ? > Jez > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > >> From one of Mike Johnston's blog pages >> >> Ctein is pronounced "kuh-TINE." >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 21:00:38 2009 Received: (qmail 21457 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 19:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 19:00:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263EAE182E1 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143BFE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E038634AC02D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:00:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF18F34AC043 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:00:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d.rhein@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B2Ej1c00517UAYkAE70YQn; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:00:32 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.21.30.251]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B70X1c00D5R4sQw8Z70Ynw; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:00:32 +0000 Message-ID: <890D9A426AB44641A1C644D6B4423F55@daingtanfxkwk9> From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <847591.10722.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com><1942336FB0EB4E5FB77F567B88004726@daingtanfxkwk9> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:00:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Macro stacking rig/Olympus DSLR X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 21:00:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d03d644621220213263 Ken Norton wrote: > > Old flies have hairs growing out of their ears too. > > AG Lol. Let's not forget their noses too. Darin -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 21:08:38 2009 Received: (qmail 31519 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 19:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 19:08:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E09CE181B2 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56DDE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8466519F157 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:08:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADAA19F13D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25519 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jul 2009 19:08:30 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090702-0, 07/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 21:08:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d05b549764877110844 I have no first hand information but suspect that flower-child Ctein's name change probably pre-dates the WWW if not the internet. If you get hung up on the pretentiousness of his name you'll miss what I think is the finest image restoration and post-processing book I've ever read. The next is Katrin Eismann's "PhotoShop Restoration and Retouching". Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt Daniel Sepke wrote: > I still giggle to think of him as Cretin after Moose jokingly pondered on > the closeness of his name to that other word a year or two back. The > adoption of a single legal name is pretentious in my books and I have > personally less respect for him a result. I cannot deny he is very through > practitioner but it's hard to get past this abuse of a nickname. For me it's > just another part of the internet cult of celebrity sadly. > > Dan S. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Norton > Subject: Re: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) > >> ...and how do you pronounce that name anyhow ? >> > > I'm probably wrong, but probably See tin. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 21:15:23 2009 Received: (qmail 5258 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 19:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 19:15:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6870E182E8 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F059AE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7B134AC040 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:15:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07C034AC02D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:15:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d.rhein@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B7441c0010b6N64A47FJoM; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:15:18 +0000 Received: from daingtanfxkwk9 ([24.21.30.251]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B7FH1c00G5R4sQw8P7FJTh; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:15:18 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Darin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4CE2EA.9000204@tc.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:15:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Flies with eye hair, and Midge Magic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 21:15:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d074b267656107113666 Dean Hansen wrote: > Darin recently posted: > "Great article John, thanks for the tip. Who knew flies have hairs growing > out of their compound eyes." > > Actually, I've known that for years. When I was doing my thesis > research on a group of midges, one character used to differentiate > various species from each other was the presence or absence of, well, > hairs growing out of their compound eyes. I even illustrated these > hairs in my thesis. (Trust me, you don't want to read it.) Eyes hairy > verses eyes bare, and one gets the 30-some species separated into two > more manageable groups. > But if you do want to read something really interesting and readable > on midges, get a copy of OM list member Don Holbrook's book on tying > tiny trout flies, "Midge Magic." His macro set-up uses an OM 2N, > bellows, the (manual) 20 and 38mm macro lenses, the 80/4 macro, and > either a ring flash or two T32s. I haven't done a book report for 49 > years now, not since Miss Magnuson's 12th grade English class, but I'll > maybe do one for list members on Don's midge book. I think it's simply > great. Wonderful job, Don! And enjoy your fishing this summer! > Dean > I should've guessed that you'd already know Dean. Thanks for the tip on Don Holbrook's book, I'll have to keep an eye out for a copy. I'm not a fly fisherman, but I do find insects interesting. So, when are you gonna publish a book featuring your macro photos? I love the Jumping spider photos on your "Wet Bugs" site. Darin -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 21:19:49 2009 Received: (qmail 21928 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 19:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 19:19:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9EEE182AE for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27BFE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8642919F1B8 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:19:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2847D19F1BD for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:19:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl26.gs02.gridserver.com (cl26.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.35]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-157-221.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.157.221]:52241 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by cl26.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MMRor-0006k0-Dk for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:19:42 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:20:07 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) Thread-Index: Acn7ShvXWld2qGc9Ed6ZGQAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4A4D05AD.2070809@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 21:19:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d0855286579752976205 I have old issues of Darkroom & Creative Camera Techniques magazine (now known as Photo Techniques) that have articles by Ctein from the 1980's. He's used that name for a very long time, and I have never seen it mentioned where it came from or when he began using it. Maybe his parents named him that? I've seen some kids recently saddled with some crazyass names. There was a girl in one of my classes at Indiana University - Ft. Wayne last year who was a white girl with nasty dreadlocks, named Sachiko. LOL Of course, Sachiko had a last name, which was of Slavic origin, unlike her Asian first name. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-5101 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 7/2/09 3:08 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > I have no first hand information but suspect that flower-child Ctein's > name change probably pre-dates the WWW if not the internet. If you get > hung up on the pretentiousness of his name you'll miss what I think is > the finest image restoration and post-processing book I've ever read. > The next is Katrin Eismann's "PhotoShop Restoration and Retouching". > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chuck Norcutt > > Daniel Sepke wrote: >> I still giggle to think of him as Cretin after Moose jokingly pondered on >> the closeness of his name to that other word a year or two back. The >> adoption of a single legal name is pretentious in my books and I have >> personally less respect for him a result. I cannot deny he is very through >> practitioner but it's hard to get past this abuse of a nickname. For me it's >> just another part of the internet cult of celebrity sadly. >> >> Dan S. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ken Norton >> Subject: Re: [OM] More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) >> >>> ...and how do you pronounce that name anyhow ? >>> >> >> I'm probably wrong, but probably See tin. >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 21:26:12 2009 Received: (qmail 26064 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 19:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 19:26:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2956E182E4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5845E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E1119F1FF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:26:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16D319F205 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:26:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.214.80]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sproul3-55-23.ucr.edu (sproul3-55-23.ucr.edu [138.23.55.23]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id FZL52855 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1F80C205-C346-444E-BB0C-D25F134BF8E6@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:26:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: [OM] convince me i'm a genius (or mad) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 21:26:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d09d4317896107113666 Going to be in London July 5-29. Trying to convince myself E3+50/1.4 Zuiko is perfectly fine for what I like (street and people). The naysayer in me is screaming to stick to the 12-60ZD, more range, much much faster (AF), can shoot from the hop (AF again). But it's big, and screams PHOTOGRAPHER. Granted the E3 itself isn't petite, but with the 50, it looks just right, and rather old fashioned at that, so I feel less conspicuous. I suppose I could take both, and decide and swap, but there's something about a single lens that make you work a bit more to get a shot, or think, that's enjoyable, and taking the time to focus and be a part of the process of making the photo, vs click whir klunk snap in a the blink of an eye. Granted, whenever I'm walking about with the 50, there have been times when I wished I had the 12-60 instead, for quick snaps from the hip, and almost never the other way around. But I tend to like and keep what few shots I get on the 50, vs sorting through myriad on the 12-60, tossing the lot for the most part. So, what will it be? Prime and put some effort into getting what I want? Or zoom, for the instant and flexible nature? Please don't say both. Or you could, I suppose. Oh, and option 3 is the E3+200/4 Zuiko for people (I like photographing people) , and maybe a Canon A series point and shoot. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 21:32:13 2009 Received: (qmail 25906 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 19:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 19:32:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4B2E182E7 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352BCE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6F919F23F for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:32:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8129E19F231 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:32:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 53546 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2009 19:32:04 -0000 Message-ID: <999084.53233.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 2w.PVk0VM1l1OYKPkHZi_dGePKurdWCDOlPuNF6ga9oldcmCr2RoD8tQCVLahIZazEhC5z8VIWDZtkYzZ4.rB5zMdJ3gDFvwtnkyg46KBZaCxoqb5fnGV3rlaR.wVK0DR06mpOx0O4Ivfg7ajd3SmxTRVqN23zK18Ay_ssOgDma19ud5y28T15263B7tishQfqvaSSxV3G4qn0F110ukWkbZeoctGfE40mqN865mvOiGhTcM5ABKwhLN0DcYrfdAE8nLJmF2d4PoVmlVFfQnf01r.RF4IeE2Oja7L4oHoM3GA0myVFesshIJVONe2jwS73rUQ1Xj8HXqUw-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:32:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:32:03 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] convince me i'm a genius (or mad) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 21:32:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d0b3d240995683411216 I think you'll find the 12-60 to be more usable, particularly when photogra= phing architecture. I would say both but if not, for sure the 12-60. --- On Thu, 7/2/09, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > From: siddiq@ucr.edu > Subject: [OM] convince me i'm a genius (or mad) > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 3:26 PM > Going to be in London July 5-29. > Trying to convince myself E3+50/1.4=A0 = > Zuiko is perfectly fine for what I like (street and > people). The=A0 = > naysayer in me is screaming to stick to the 12-60ZD, more > range, much=A0 = > much faster (AF), can shoot from the hop (AF again). But > it's big, and=A0 = > screams PHOTOGRAPHER. Granted the E3 itself isn't petite, > but with the=A0 = > 50, it looks just right, and rather old fashioned at that, > so I feel=A0 = > less conspicuous. > = > I suppose I could take both, and decide and swap, but > there's=A0 = > something about a single lens that make you work a bit more > to get a=A0 = > shot, or think, that's enjoyable, and taking the time to > focus and be=A0 = > a part of the process of making the photo, vs click whir > klunk snap in=A0 = > a the blink of an eye. > = > Granted, whenever I'm walking about with the 50, there have > been times=A0 = > when I wished I had the 12-60 instead, for quick snaps from > the hip,=A0 = > and almost never the other way around. But I tend to like > and keep=A0 = > what few shots I get on the 50, vs sorting through myriad > on the=A0 = > 12-60, tossing the lot for the most part. > = > So, what will it be? Prime and put some effort into getting > what I=A0 = > want? Or zoom, for the instant and flexible nature? > = > Please don't say both. Or you could, I suppose. > = > Oh, and option 3 is the E3+200/4 Zuiko for people (I > like=A0 = > photographing people) , and maybe a Canon A series point > and shoot. > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = > = = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 21:34:30 2009 Received: (qmail 23388 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 19:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 19:34:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B931E182DD for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12587E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099C119F23F for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:34:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2F819F246 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:34:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1141331fxm.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:34:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.55.1 with SMTP id s1mr362056bkg.132.1246563262540; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:34:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1F80C205-C346-444E-BB0C-D25F134BF8E6@ucr.edu> References: <1F80C205-C346-444E-BB0C-D25F134BF8E6@ucr.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:34:22 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 25a15aa0ef3ca614 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] convince me i'm a genius (or mad) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 21:34:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d0bc5242351612113968 The 50mm on the E-3 is too long for my blood. I'd personally stick with something in the "normal" focal-length range. I've used the 24/2.8 on my E-1 in this exact circumstance and it seems to be a good compromise all the way around. I'm sure, if I had a 21mm lens, I'd probably use that on the E-body. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 21:42:32 2009 Received: (qmail 3377 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 19:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 19:42:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC59E181B1 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B6FE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE10834AC043 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:42:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA4634AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:42:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21178 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jul 2009 19:42:23 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090702-0, 07/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 21:42:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d0da843131342116753 I like the four monochrome green images. I don't think I've ever shot one of just foliage that I liked. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Although I complained about the bokeh of 90/2 in some situations but it is > still a great lens. The color/tonal rendering is probably the best among all > Zuikos I have used, that's why it have greater 3D look. I don't remember the > images Giles posted but I can assure the 90/2 has this special quality. > > 80/4 and 90/2 are two different animals, 80/4 is designed for 1:2 to 2:1, > the images I just posted are all 1:1 shots, I don't find any overlap on > them. I seldom use the 80/4 as it was mainly for insects but I was too lazy > in these few years, it need lots of patience for finding insects. > > I hope below can balance out the 90/2 fans feel :-) > > Shot on June 24. Also, the aim was accompany my elder son for a photo > session so only did a few shots. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/90F2A/90F2A.html > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Wilcox" > > This will raise the usual statements of denigration with respect to > the 90/2, but I believe it was Giles Stewart, once the list mum (?), > who posted comparison images of the 80 and 90 which to my eyes showed > a greater 3D realism to the rendering by the 90/2. As a result I have > never yearned for the 80 and instead keep the 135 permanently on the > tubes. > > The comparison image was raindrops on a windshield IIRC, and not > really in the macro realm, whereas Ling's images appear to be in the > 1:10 and closer range, where other qualities may be emerging that > favor the 80. I should add that nothing about the 80 seemed bad, just > that the 90 version was a wow to my eyes. > > I don't know if Ling remembers Giles' comparison images, but I think > his experience with the lenses has always seemed to favor the 80 over > the 90, so I suspect like any good Zuik you'll have to have them both > and see for yourself. > > As for me lately, I've been experimenting with both the 85/2 and > 135/2.8 with 7mm tube for close focusing. Haven't sent the film off > yet, but I recall John Lind got very nice results especially with the > 85/2 plus bit of extension. > > So many lovely ways to skin the cat. > > Joel W. > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: >> Beautiful images, and this of course makes me lust for that 80/4.0 >> even more now, >> to keep my lonely 65-116 tube company... >> >> >> "C.H.Ling" wrote >> >>> For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I >>> like the >>> feel more than everything in focus. >>> >>> Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html >>> >>> C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 21:53:02 2009 Received: (qmail 24386 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 19:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 19:53:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72870E182E0 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F91E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D6034AC049 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:52:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EAD34AC047 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:52:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.214.80]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sproul3-55-23.ucr.edu (sproul3-55-23.ucr.edu [138.23.55.23]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id FZM05607 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31A95BCE-C0C7-4DC7-B768-1B96F010B347@ucr.edu> From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A4D0D9E.9020802@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:52:56 -0700 References: <4A4BEFEE.13742.3199AA8@bj.caverock.net.nz><8420917.1391246519036919.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <9e908c1f0907020841q7c6b7794u6677a4e3a0c262e7@mail.gmail.com> <5E7ED14785BE4E51AD5DFDB70C56453A@MAIN> <4A4D0D9E.9020802@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 21:53:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d101e124721744846740 this one in particular, I like a lot: http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/90F2A/IMG_5140.html On Jul 2, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I like the four monochrome green images. I don't think I've ever shot > one of just foliage that I liked. > > Chuck Norcutt > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Although I complained about the bokeh of 90/2 in some situations >> but it is >> still a great lens. The color/tonal rendering is probably the best >> among all >> Zuikos I have used, that's why it have greater 3D look. I don't >> remember the >> images Giles posted but I can assure the 90/2 has this special >> quality. >> >> 80/4 and 90/2 are two different animals, 80/4 is designed for 1:2 >> to 2:1, >> the images I just posted are all 1:1 shots, I don't find any >> overlap on >> them. I seldom use the 80/4 as it was mainly for insects but I was >> too lazy >> in these few years, it need lots of patience for finding insects. >> >> I hope below can balance out the 90/2 fans feel :-) >> >> Shot on June 24. Also, the aim was accompany my elder son for a photo >> session so only did a few shots. >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/90F2A/90F2A.html >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joel Wilcox" >> >> This will raise the usual statements of denigration with respect to >> the 90/2, but I believe it was Giles Stewart, once the list mum (?), >> who posted comparison images of the 80 and 90 which to my eyes showed >> a greater 3D realism to the rendering by the 90/2. As a result I >> have >> never yearned for the 80 and instead keep the 135 permanently on the >> tubes. >> >> The comparison image was raindrops on a windshield IIRC, and not >> really in the macro realm, whereas Ling's images appear to be in the >> 1:10 and closer range, where other qualities may be emerging that >> favor the 80. I should add that nothing about the 80 seemed bad, >> just >> that the 90 version was a wow to my eyes. >> >> I don't know if Ling remembers Giles' comparison images, but I think >> his experience with the lenses has always seemed to favor the 80 over >> the 90, so I suspect like any good Zuik you'll have to have them both >> and see for yourself. >> >> As for me lately, I've been experimenting with both the 85/2 and >> 135/2.8 with 7mm tube for close focusing. Haven't sent the film off >> yet, but I recall John Lind got very nice results especially with the >> 85/2 plus bit of extension. >> >> So many lovely ways to skin the cat. >> >> Joel W. >> >> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Dawid Loubser >> wrote: >>> Beautiful images, and this of course makes me lust for that 80/4.0 >>> even more now, >>> to keep my lonely 65-116 tube company... >>> >>> >>> "C.H.Ling" wrote >>> >>>> For me, I prefer to shoot at larger aperture most of the time, I >>>> like the >>>> feel more than everything in focus. >>>> >>>> Some shots from two days ago with 80/4, all life size F4. >>>> >>>> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/80F4/80F4.html >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 21:54:32 2009 Received: (qmail 29272 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 19:54:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 19:54:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF4CE182E0 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6311DE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BEC34AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:54:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89D834AC040 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:54:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30733 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jul 2009 19:54:21 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090702-0, 07/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] convince me i'm a genius (or mad) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 21:54:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d1078171785368819438 You asking me if I would take just a 100mm lens for my 5D? Ha, ha. No way. You'll run out of image width in London in about 30 seconds. Take the 12-60 or both if you can since you'll eventually run out of aperture with just the 12-60. No doubt the 12-60 is f/4 at 50mm. Three stops is a bunch. Chuck Norcutt siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > Going to be in London July 5-29. Trying to convince myself E3+50/1.4 > Zuiko is perfectly fine for what I like (street and people). The > naysayer in me is screaming to stick to the 12-60ZD, more range, much > much faster (AF), can shoot from the hop (AF again). But it's big, and > screams PHOTOGRAPHER. Granted the E3 itself isn't petite, but with the > 50, it looks just right, and rather old fashioned at that, so I feel > less conspicuous. > > I suppose I could take both, and decide and swap, but there's > something about a single lens that make you work a bit more to get a > shot, or think, that's enjoyable, and taking the time to focus and be > a part of the process of making the photo, vs click whir klunk snap in > a the blink of an eye. > > Granted, whenever I'm walking about with the 50, there have been times > when I wished I had the 12-60 instead, for quick snaps from the hip, > and almost never the other way around. But I tend to like and keep > what few shots I get on the 50, vs sorting through myriad on the > 12-60, tossing the lot for the most part. > > So, what will it be? Prime and put some effort into getting what I > want? Or zoom, for the instant and flexible nature? > > Please don't say both. Or you could, I suppose. > > Oh, and option 3 is the E3+200/4 Zuiko for people (I like > photographing people) , and maybe a Canon A series point and shoot. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 22:34:24 2009 Received: (qmail 7069 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 20:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 20:34:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987D3E182F0 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05838E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1D119EB38 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206F419E7C7 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1174537fxm.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:34:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.152.3 with SMTP id t3mr52202hbb.19.1246566855981; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:34:15 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Best FILM for lens testing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 22:34:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d19d012181357919056 Hi all, Yes, film... ;-) I'm planning to make a comprehensive testing of, ahem, ALL of my lenses... in order to have some evidence to rationalize the collection, keeping the best ones and selling the spares. I could test several of them on the digital with adapters, but I'd prefer film for this "definitive" test because of: 1) Some lens mounts aren't adaptable to my EOS body... and I have no E-P1 ;-) 2) My EOS is not full-frame, and I want to be certain about quality even at the very corners. 3) I don't want to be biased by sensor issues... Due to cost I'd like to make it in B&W -- CA would cause blurring, anyway. I can process B&W by myself. Which is, according to your experience, the best film to get the most from a lens -- besides the defunct Technical Pan? Since there's a LOT of film to be used, availability in long rolls (I've got a bulk loader) is welcome. Ease of scanning would be appreciated, too, but since my scanner is so-so, I'll probably "shoot" the developed film with a high-enlargement macro setup... fuel for another question -- reversed Zuiko 24/2.8? Thanks a lot in advance, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 22:55:41 2009 Received: (qmail 8513 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 20:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 20:55:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F05E182D1 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96791E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416CF19F4CA for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:55:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D0E19F4C4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:55:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk whitelisted) Received: from osprey.londonmet.ac.uk (osprey.londonmet.ac.uk [163.167.84.4]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 5adbe54a.bb.sky.com ([90.219.229.74] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by osprey.londonmet.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MMTJO-0002l5-6y for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:55:18 +0100 Message-ID: <4A4D1EB6.4030603@dcs.qmul.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:55:18 +0100 From: james king User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-ID: 1MMTJO-0002l5-6y X-LONDONMET-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-From: jking@dcs.qmul.ac.uk X-LONDONMET-MailScanner-Watermark: 1247172919.67075@/3H95Zf8QqS1ckuLmgvr4Q Subject: Re: [OM] Best FILM for lens testing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 22:55:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d1ecd5171258626592 testing at f11+ can mean long exposure times. The ilford range of films all suffer from reciprocity failure with shutter speeds around 1 second. Kodak Tmax 100 is as bad or worse. When I did some testing for myself I favoured Fuji acros100 B&W. It is ok for around 120s before it requires slight compensation. However I think the results from B&W will need printing or scanning for you to make comparisons. I did quite a few tests with velvia 100 which allows you to make comparisons with a light table and loupe... regards james Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > Hi all, > Yes, film... ;-) > > I'm planning to make a comprehensive testing of, ahem, ALL of my lenses... > in order to have some evidence to rationalize the collection, keeping the > best ones and selling the spares. > > I could test several of them on the digital with adapters, but I'd prefer > film for this "definitive" test because of: > > 1) Some lens mounts aren't adaptable to my EOS body... and I have no E-P1 > ;-) > 2) My EOS is not full-frame, and I want to be certain about quality even at > the very corners. > 3) I don't want to be biased by sensor issues... > > Due to cost I'd like to make it in B&W -- CA would cause blurring, anyway. I > can process B&W by myself. > > Which is, according to your experience, the best film to get the most from a > lens -- besides the defunct Technical Pan? Since there's a LOT of film to be > used, availability in long rolls (I've got a bulk loader) is welcome. > > Ease of scanning would be appreciated, too, but since my scanner is so-so, > I'll probably "shoot" the developed film with a high-enlargement macro > setup... fuel for another question -- reversed Zuiko 24/2.8? > > Thanks a lot in advance, > Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 23:01:19 2009 Received: (qmail 18799 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 21:01:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 21:01:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE43FE182B8 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9A3E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCFD34AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:01:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD2234AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:01:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1190077fxm.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:01:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.102.76 with SMTP id f12mr427054bko.137.1246568469952; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:01:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:01:09 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 62ddd62edf9694ff Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Best FILM for lens testing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 23:01:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d201f112041136683642 > > Due to cost I'd like to make it in B&W -- CA would cause blurring, anyway. > I > can process B&W by myself. > Lens testing I've done on B&W has been done with Ilford PanF and Delta 100 processed in Ilfotec DD-X. I prefer Delta 100 as the contrast is held better at the edges giving me better clarity of the USAF test chart line-pairs. The PanF has slightly more resolution, but also more grain scattering which makes the edge-detail a little mushy. However, some high-acutance developers will allow the grain to "migrate". This has the effect of sharpening the edges--not unlike USM in the digital world. This will make it easier to count line-pairs. You can also use Ilford FP4 film in DD-X. This thick-emulsion film has tremendous "migration" characteristics which give the lens tests a definitive yes/no interpretation of the line-pairs. It mgiht not be the finest-grain film (about 2-3x that of PanF and Delta 100), but it is generally less expensive and still quite good. It's fun, because when you see image details that are down to a single grain-clump you are assured that the lens resolved as good as is practical. Don't use Velvia or Provia because lateral-halation will kill the line-pair resolution. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 2 23:24:38 2009 Received: (qmail 10011 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 21:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 21:24:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A689E1822B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A6BE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEDF19F936 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:24:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB2F19F929 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:24:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13093 invoked by uid 504); 2 Jul 2009 21:24:28 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Jul 2009 21:24:28 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4D258B.10508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:24:27 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090702-0, 07/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Best FILM for lens testing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 2 23:24:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d2596232531560218263 I don't understand shooting B&W and B&W, high contrast test charts if you're ultimately going to be shooting color film and real world scenes. You could probably save on film by first filtering the duds with the digital. If the lens doesn't cut it in the center it's unlikely to do much good in the corners. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Due to cost I'd like to make it in B&W -- CA would cause blurring, anyway. >> I >> can process B&W by myself. >> > > Lens testing I've done on B&W has been done with Ilford PanF and Delta 100 > processed in Ilfotec DD-X. I prefer Delta 100 as the contrast is held > better at the edges giving me better clarity of the USAF test chart > line-pairs. The PanF has slightly more resolution, but also more grain > scattering which makes the edge-detail a little mushy. > > However, some high-acutance developers will allow the grain to "migrate". > This has the effect of sharpening the edges--not unlike USM in the digital > world. This will make it easier to count line-pairs. > > You can also use Ilford FP4 film in DD-X. This thick-emulsion film has > tremendous "migration" characteristics which give the lens tests a > definitive yes/no interpretation of the line-pairs. It mgiht not be the > finest-grain film (about 2-3x that of PanF and Delta 100), but it is > generally less expensive and still quite good. It's fun, because when you > see image details that are down to a single grain-clump you are assured that > the lens resolved as good as is practical. > > Don't use Velvia or Provia because lateral-halation will kill the line-pair > resolution. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 00:10:48 2009 Received: (qmail 9331 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 22:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 22:10:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83624E182EA for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58943E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32C034AC02D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:10:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E131E34AC02B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:10:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f228.google.com (mail-bw0-f228.google.com [209.85.218.228]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz28 with SMTP id 28so548268bwz.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:10:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.115.130 with SMTP id i2mr488459bkq.162.1246572636676; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:10:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4D258B.10508@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A4D258B.10508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:10:36 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 51b521b56e3407a8 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Best FILM for lens testing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 00:10:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d3068285272439112457 > > I don't understand shooting B&W and B&W, high contrast test charts if > you're ultimately going to be shooting color film and real world scenes. > You could probably save on film by first filtering the duds with the > digital. If the lens doesn't cut it in the center it's unlikely to do > much good in the corners. > Shooting the test charts in color is really only beneficial if you want to see the color aberations. If shooting in color, it would be preferable to use slide film for loupe analysis and the only current choices that I would consider for high-contrast tests is Ektachrome 64T, Kodachrome 64, or Fujichrome Astia 100F. The key to picking a film for lens testing is looking at the film's MTF Curves. Examine the 50% response point and see that it exceeds 30 cycles/mm. (30 cycles/mm is about halfway between the 20 cycles/mm line and 50 cycles/mm line). If your tests are limited in contrast, Fujichrome Velvai 100 (not 50 or 100F) is the current leader with a MTF at 50% of around 50 cycles/mm, otherwise lateral halation will be the limiting factor. Portra 100F is among the worse films for lens testing because of this. If your contrast is reasonable in the test-chart, Fujichrome Velvia 100 would beat all. If color negative films would work, I'd use Kodak Portra 160NC or the newest Fuji 160S without hesitation. These are the finest-grain, highest resolution color print films on the market--with 160S being slightly higher resolutioned, but 160NC having less grain. We shoot res charts instead of "real world scenes" for lens tests because of controlled lighting and repeatability. It's too easy to be fooled by changes in exposure or contrast when shooting trees like Ken Rockwell does. You don't want to be a "Rockwell" now, do you? USAF line-pair charts may be "old school" but they existed for a reason and I personally haven't found anything more consistant and reliable for comparison testing. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 00:24:10 2009 Received: (qmail 7741 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 22:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 22:24:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64707E182E5 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC8BE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F17E34AC02D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:24:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C4134AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:24:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 18 days 02:48:20 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-29-193.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.29.193]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n62MNuY3004626 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:23:57 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4D3385.1060304@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:24:05 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <4A4CB62E.5080006@chucknorcutt.com> <4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> <4A4CDC0A.9000102@adinet.com.uy> <4A4CFCD9.1060501@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4CFCD9.1060501@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 00:24:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d338a89531342116753 Oh ! - a 'regador', I have some of those - not in Montevideo. There are several methods for implementing its function, but if you want to buy one of these here, you will find this type of 'regador' only, so we call all of them 'regador - regadores (pl.)' Better ones come from Israel. Funny, this time it's the other way round: you need four words in English, while I need only one in Spanish :-) I'll improve my English, but sooner or later you'll find yourself understanding more Spanish than you've ever thought of ... lol :-) Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > "that green whatever-it-is-called" is an impact water sprinkler head. > [snip] > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 00:28:12 2009 Received: (qmail 9793 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 22:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 22:28:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00099E182B0 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF18E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357B219F9F9 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:28:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA6E19F9F8 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:28:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 18 days 02:52:24 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-29-193.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.29.193]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n62MRwrj004964 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:27:58 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4D3477.4040809@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:28:07 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BEFEE.13742.3199AA8@bj.caverock.net.nz><8420917.1391246519036919.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <9e908c1f0907020841q7c6b7794u6677a4e3a0c262e7@mail.gmail.com> <5E7ED14785BE4E51AD5DFDB70C56453A@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <5E7ED14785BE4E51AD5DFDB70C56453A@MAIN> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 00:28:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d347c163902517112723 Here we are prepared to export them in large quantities. Any preferences? ;-) Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > , it need lots of patience for finding insects. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 00:36:10 2009 Received: (qmail 10294 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 22:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 22:36:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BABE182B9 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051C6E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B2E19FA10 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:36:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F22A19FA0E for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:36:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 18 days 03:00:20 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-29-193.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.29.193]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n62MZtKS005498 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:35:55 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4D3654.1010706@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:36:04 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy> <199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <9e908c1f0907020826yc5dfa05i1580fbd63c0c332a@mail.gmail.com> <99D735DE8600430FB83DD6B616920693@MAIN> <9e908c1f0907020905r33902748s4c6552e3ab6b311@mail.gmail.com> <4A4CE206.9040608@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4A4CE206.9040608@adinet.com.uy> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 00:36:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d365a253349730998309 Done! risking my health, finished my current half-roll of Velvia 50 with shots done with the 300mm, at 8, 5,6 and 4,5. I felt inspired, visited a park at the north of Montevideo, where I've never been to. Think I've got at least 5 keepers. If recovered, I shall find out tomorrow at 3 pm. Fernando. Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Grrrrrrrrrr ... I've taken three Velvia 50, in a rush. > Today is a beautiful sunshine winter day, and I don't feel like going > out due to a mild flu. > Maybe I will ... > > :-) > > Fernando. > > Ken Norton wrote: > >> (PS, I've taken 200-300 shots in the last week with the 300/4.5 on the >> E-1--half of which were wide-open) >> >> AG >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 00:49:18 2009 Received: (qmail 12281 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 22:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 22:49:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CFAE182E6 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E923AE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C213119FA2D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:49:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7024619FA2F for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:49:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imo-m13.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a4d395311b; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:48:51 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.d10.5142824d (37130) for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com [205.188.84.130]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA024-d3f34a4d395711f; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:49:02 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MB21 (webmail-mb21.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.169]) by smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDD027-d3f34a4d395711f; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:48:55 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:48:55 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43661-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-MB21.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.169) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:48:55 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBC97E69EA7977-9B0-2CBE@WEBMAIL-MB21.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 00:49:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d396e31061357919056 I'll have to don my "I agree with Moose" t-shirt once again. Went trough a similiar process. When I thought the dof was borderline at F11 and was fortunate enough to bracket the aperture, the increased dof for the shots at F16 alwyas trumped the mild diffraction softening. Perhaps there are situtrations where that is not true but if you need the dof , the smaller aperture seems to trump the diffraction by quite a bit. Perhaps Dr. focus et al. could explain why. A more careful to bracket, Mike For me, for this subject and many of the thinks I photograph, DOF is more important. F16 and be there Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 00:55:58 2009 Received: (qmail 8194 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 22:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 22:55:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810DDE182E4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7E1E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2784334AC02D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:55:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8620B34AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:55:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n62Mtn48000304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:55:51 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <4A4CB62E.5080006@chucknorcutt.com> <4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:55:36 +1000 Message-ID: <000f01c9fb68$38e1ea30$aaa5be90$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn7KOz8AnYBHBgNRLWkxhf3EDAuWgAPx6rA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 00:55:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d3afe317299752976205 > > Thanks for the sample, unfortunately (fortunately, my lens is not > alone) > there is purple fringe as seen on this crop. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2064es.jpg > Not just a reflection in the bright metal of the purple flowers in the background ? ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 01:23:22 2009 Received: (qmail 18262 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 23:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 23:23:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3337BE181AE for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0442E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFFFA34AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:23:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6683134AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:23:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n62NNCf3020668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 09:23:13 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A4D258B.10508@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 09:23:01 +1000 Message-ID: <001001c9fb6c$0b928040$22b780c0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn7YfPzi6wS7+oaTpm6XVudtBK3ZAACe0uA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Best FILM for lens testing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 01:23:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d416a310961744846740 > > USAF line-pair charts may be "old school" but they existed for a reason > and > I personally haven't found anything more consistant and reliable for > comparison testing. > And how about those USAF bokeh testing charts ? ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 01:49:51 2009 Received: (qmail 457 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2009 23:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 23:49:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C0CE182EE for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8006E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5D93628002 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:49:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E554734AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:49:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13128 invoked by uid 502); 2 Jul 2009 23:49:43 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 01:49:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d479f238741357919056 C.H.Ling wrote: > I also found the extra reach of the 50/85-250mm is rather useful otherwise the 65-200 can replace them with half stop faster Tamron SP 60-300/3.8-5.4. > , I never thought about the 80-200/2.8 due to its weight. > The Tokina AT-X 80-200/2.8 is reputed to be slightly less excellent optically than the Tamron SP. Also rarer. But the Tammy is 30% heavier. The Tokina tripod mount is a much better, stronger, less intrusive design. Although the Tokina is, in fact, only a tiny bit smaller, it somehow feels significantly smaller in use. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 02:41:03 2009 Received: (qmail 11862 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 00:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 00:41:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29F1E182C9 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12F7E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CCC19FB58 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:40:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164BD19FB4D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:40:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n630er2N001051 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:40:53 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <30AFC15C400B49F39473C1BC79BBF07E@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4D258B.10508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:40:50 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Best FILM for lens testing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 02:41:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d539f82315034211378 No matter what, only color film do. It gives more information on CA and purple fringe, I don't think I can have a good judge with B/W. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > > >> I don't understand shooting B&W and B&W, high contrast test charts if >> you're ultimately going to be shooting color film and real world scenes. >> You could probably save on film by first filtering the duds with the >> digital. If the lens doesn't cut it in the center it's unlikely to do >> much good in the corners. >> > > > Shooting the test charts in color is really only beneficial if you want to > see the color aberations. > > If shooting in color, it would be preferable to use slide film for loupe > analysis and the only current choices that I would consider for > high-contrast tests is Ektachrome 64T, Kodachrome 64, or Fujichrome Astia > 100F. > > The key to picking a film for lens testing is looking at the film's MTF > Curves. Examine the 50% response point and see that it exceeds 30 > cycles/mm. (30 cycles/mm is about halfway between the 20 cycles/mm line > and > 50 cycles/mm line). > > If your tests are limited in contrast, Fujichrome Velvai 100 (not 50 or > 100F) is the current leader with a MTF at 50% of around 50 cycles/mm, > otherwise lateral halation will be the limiting factor. Portra 100F is > among > the worse films for lens testing because of this. If your contrast is > reasonable in the test-chart, Fujichrome Velvia 100 would beat all. > > If color negative films would work, I'd use Kodak Portra 160NC or the > newest > Fuji 160S without hesitation. These are the finest-grain, highest > resolution > color print films on the market--with 160S being slightly higher > resolutioned, but 160NC having less grain. > > We shoot res charts instead of "real world scenes" for lens tests because > of > controlled lighting and repeatability. It's too easy to be fooled by > changes > in exposure or contrast when shooting trees like Ken Rockwell does. You > don't want to be a "Rockwell" now, do you? > > USAF line-pair charts may be "old school" but they existed for a reason > and > I personally haven't found anything more consistant and reliable for > comparison testing. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 02:49:46 2009 Received: (qmail 6723 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 00:49:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 00:49:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A210FE182B5 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C698E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA19D34AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:49:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430D034AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:49:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23144 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jul 2009 00:49:38 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jul 2009 00:49:38 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4D55A0.8040802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:49:36 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4D258B.10508@chucknorcutt.com> <001001c9fb6c$0b928040$22b780c0$@com.au> In-Reply-To: <001001c9fb6c$0b928040$22b780c0$@com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090702-0, 07/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Best FILM for lens testing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 02:49:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d55aa43861357919056 Humbug for your USAF line charts. They probably existed for testing B&W aerial photography lenses. :-) I'm with Wayne. You won't find any bokeh in this test but I'll take this sort of controlled light test image any day Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: >> USAF line-pair charts may be "old school" but they existed for a reason >> and >> I personally haven't found anything more consistant and reliable for >> comparison testing. >> > > And how about those USAF bokeh testing charts ? > > ...Wayne > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 03:03:14 2009 Received: (qmail 3786 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 01:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 01:03:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4665E182DD for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9669E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A947E19FB96 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C00719FB92 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7684 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jul 2009 01:03:08 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 03:03:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d58d2201509730998309 According to the Google translator, "regador" translates to "irrigator". "irrigator" in English is a very generic term without the specificity of my four word description which was four words for your benefit. I didn't want you to be confused you know. :-) When I was a kid I just called them "rain birds" for the name of the California company that invented them in 1933. Now I would just say "impact sprinkler". According to Google that translates to "impacto de rociadores" Oh, my! That's three words! :-) :-) But, as slow as my aging brain is, I am gradually learning some easily translated Spanish words like "300/4.5". :-) Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Oh ! - a 'regador', I have some of those - not in Montevideo. > There are several methods for implementing its function, but if you want > to buy one of these here, you will find this type of 'regador' only, so > we call all of them 'regador - regadores (pl.)' Better ones come from > Israel. > > Funny, this time it's the other way round: you need four words in > English, while I need only one in Spanish :-) > > I'll improve my English, but sooner or later you'll find yourself > understanding more Spanish than you've ever thought of ... lol :-) > > Fernando. > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> "that green whatever-it-is-called" is an impact water sprinkler head. >> [snip] >> Chuck Norcutt >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 03:08:55 2009 Received: (qmail 26240 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 01:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 01:08:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B41EE18228 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA357E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C0834AC02B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:08:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8D234AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:08:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14120 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jul 2009 01:08:48 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090702-0, 07/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 03:08:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d5a2666981879814018 As I said earlier, if you can display or print without ressing-up the image then you didn't need the resolution that you sacrificed to f/16 by not shooting at f/11. If you shoot at f/16 you've still got a 7MP image. Better than an E1 and almost as good as any digital camera up until the last couple of years. Furthermore, to make it painfully evident that you'd lost the resolution you'd probably have to shoot one of AG's USAF line charts. :-) Dr. Focus usher99@aol.com wrote: > I'll have to don my "I agree with Moose" t-shirt once again. Went > trough a similiar process. When I thought the dof was borderline at > F11 and was fortunate enough to bracket the aperture, the increased dof > for the shots at F16 alwyas trumped the mild diffraction softening. > Perhaps there are situtrations where that is not true but if you need > the dof , the smaller aperture seems to trump the diffraction by quite > a bit. Perhaps Dr. focus et al. could explain why. > > A more careful to bracket, Mike > > > For me, for this subject and many of the thinks I > photograph, DOF is more important. > > F16 and be there Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 03:11:41 2009 Received: (qmail 25363 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 01:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 01:11:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EABE182CA for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D84E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EBF19FBA8 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:11:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDDA19FB80 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:11:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16393 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jul 2009 01:11:36 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jul 2009 01:11:36 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4D5AC7.6030708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:11:35 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <9e908c1f0907020826yc5dfa05i1580fbd63c0c332a@mail.gmail.com> <99D735DE8600430FB83DD6B616920693@MAIN> <4A4D4790.4090703@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4D4790.4090703@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090702-0, 07/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 03:11:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d5acd193011258626592 I loves my own Tokina AF AT-X Pro 80-200/2.8. But it never goes farther than 50 yards from the car. 500 yards? I can't even walk that far anymore. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > C.H.Ling wrote: >> I also found the extra reach of the 50/85-250mm is rather useful otherwise the 65-200 can replace them with half stop faster > > Tamron SP 60-300/3.8-5.4. > >> , I never thought about the 80-200/2.8 due to its weight. >> > > The Tokina AT-X 80-200/2.8 is reputed to be slightly less excellent > optically than the Tamron SP. Also rarer. But the Tammy is 30% heavier. > The Tokina tripod mount is a much better, stronger, less intrusive > design. Although the Tokina is, in fact, only a tiny bit smaller, it > somehow feels significantly smaller in use. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 03:16:23 2009 Received: (qmail 26288 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 01:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 01:16:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6270FE182EE for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B93E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3EF19FBB4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67DA19FB9F for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:16:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21436 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jul 2009 01:16:15 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090702-0, 07/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 03:16:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d5be7270795034211378 I forgot to mention, that's a 7MP image on a full frame sensor. f/16 on a 4/3 sensor gets you only 2MP. Small sensor cameras require good lenses that can perform well at larger apertures. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > As I said earlier, if you can display or print without ressing-up the > image then you didn't need the resolution that you sacrificed to f/16 by > not shooting at f/11. If you shoot at f/16 you've still got a 7MP > image. Better than an E1 and almost as good as any digital camera up > until the last couple of years. Furthermore, to make it painfully > evident that you'd lost the resolution you'd probably have to shoot one > of AG's USAF line charts. :-) > > Dr. Focus > > usher99@aol.com wrote: >> I'll have to don my "I agree with Moose" t-shirt once again. Went >> trough a similiar process. When I thought the dof was borderline at >> F11 and was fortunate enough to bracket the aperture, the increased dof >> for the shots at F16 alwyas trumped the mild diffraction softening. >> Perhaps there are situtrations where that is not true but if you need >> the dof , the smaller aperture seems to trump the diffraction by quite >> a bit. Perhaps Dr. focus et al. could explain why. >> >> A more careful to bracket, Mike >> >> >> For me, for this subject and many of the thinks I >> photograph, DOF is more important. >> >> F16 and be there Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 03:58:21 2009 Received: (qmail 24657 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 01:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 01:58:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE629E182AE for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168B0E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0090B19FC17 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:58:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC8619FC16 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:58:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f217.google.com (mail-bw0-f217.google.com [209.85.218.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz17 with SMTP id 17so54970bwz.14 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:58:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.129 with SMTP id z1mr694421bkq.67.1246586292564; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:58:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4D55A0.8040802@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A4D258B.10508@chucknorcutt.com> <001001c9fb6c$0b928040$22b780c0$@com.au> <4A4D55A0.8040802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:58:12 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cf41f0c8baef4628 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Best FILM for lens testing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 03:58:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d65bd65081076813867 > > Humbug for your USAF line charts. They probably existed for testing B&W > aerial photography lenses. :-) I'm with Wayne. You won't find any > bokeh in this test but I'll take this sort of controlled light test > image any day > Not very good for determining center and corner (all four) sharpness. There is absolutely nothing there to quantify the results, just good, bad, indifferent--all subjective interpretations. Gary Reese's test were done by photographing a terrain map. We rode him pretty hard over it back then, but the fact is, it probably is one of the finer test subjects for lens resolution tests for non-quantifiable measurements. If you want to test for distortion, CA, bokeh, etc., then there are other types of test subjects worthy of consideration. The reason why I personally use USAF charts is because I can compare images taken at different times with different lenses, cameras or even formats and have a specific quantifiable number for comparison. It may seem like I'm a stick-in-the-mud, but it works and it works extremely well. I have five of them which are positioned in a X pattern so the four outer ones are closest to the corners. When testing digital sensors, we now have to test red on white, blue on white, green on white, red on black, blue on black, green on black and black on white to really get an idea of true resolution of the sensor--which is definitely the weakest link for resolution testing. If you are doing lens testing with digital cameras, the ONLY thing that will give you accurate representation of quantifiable measurement is a black-white res chart of some form because the sensor will skew results depending on colors of the subjects in the test. There are multiple types of charts available now, some with cycles/mm, some with converging lines, some with soft cycles and hard cycles and the good old standby of the USAF chart. You keep trashing the USAF chart, but it remains the one standard by which all others are compared and it was THE standard for decades for a good reason. There may be better ones now, but some random mash of mish isn't going to give you anything quantifiable or meaningful to anybody else and unless everybody has exactly the same test setup, the results are relative. If I tell you that a given lens tests out at 65 lines/mm center, 45 lines/mm corner at F4.5 that means something. But if I tell you that the lens is sharp in the center and not so sharp in the corner at F4.5 it means nothing as this is a subjective interpretation. My sharp isn't your sharp and my fuzzy isn't your fuzzy. I will stick with my USAF charts, thank you very much. I don't do subjective. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 04:07:02 2009 Received: (qmail 7338 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 02:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 02:07:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB353E182DC for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F3DE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1B019FC2C for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:06:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F153119FC2B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:06:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n6326oDu021992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:06:51 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A4D258B.10508@chucknorcutt.com> <001001c9fb6c$0b928040$22b780c0$@com.au> <4A4D55A0.8040802@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4D55A0.8040802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:06:38 +1000 Message-ID: <001401c9fb82$e79f0b10$b6dd2130$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn7eCmjklGAo+gOQrmOJTNX9E6nLwAB5wZQ Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Best FILM for lens testing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 04:07:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d67c6170376107113666 The essential requirement for any comparative testing is to maintain all the conditions the same except for the item you want to compare. If you're comparing 2 lenses here's no point shooting that USAF test target using PAN F in sunlight for one lens and Velvia and flash for the other. The typical scenario seems to be: somebody posts a question on photo.net asking which 50mm Nikon lens has the best bokeh, many people have an opinion and many images are posted (including the odd ones shot with a 50mm summicron, Canon 85/1.2 and the 38mm Biogon on 6x6 !), some monochrome, some colour, different light, different subject matter, etc. So how do these help to answer the poster's question ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Norcutt [] > Sent: Friday, 3 July 2009 10:50 AM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Best FILM for lens testing? > > Humbug for your USAF line charts. They probably existed for testing > B&W > aerial photography lenses. :-) I'm with Wayne. You won't find any > bokeh in this test but I'll take this sort of controlled light test > image any day resource.com/PRODS/E3/E3hSLI0100.HTM> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 04:10:56 2009 Received: (qmail 7684 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 02:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 02:10:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46AFE182B4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6540E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9317934AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:10:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173FC34AC02D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:10:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n632AmYW022007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:10:49 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <4A4CB62E.5080006@chucknorcutt.com> <4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> <4A4CDC0A.9000102@adinet.com.uy> <4A4CFCD9.1060501@chucknorcutt.com> <4A4D3385.1060304@adinet.com.uy> <4A4D58CB.5000809@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4D58CB.5000809@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:10:36 +1000 Message-ID: <001501c9fb83$751b9800$5f52c800$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn7egvXjxo6HB+iQjSM+b8ybbnqzQACREmA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 04:10:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d68b066421950411718 > > But, as slow as my aging brain is, I am gradually learning some easily > translated Spanish words like "300/4.5". :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > Yeah, one I've learnt recently - "tempranillo". ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 04:38:38 2009 Received: (qmail 30207 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 02:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 02:38:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C1FE182B3 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C43E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87C63628002 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:38:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8899534AC02B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:38:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 18 days 07:02:48 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-38-165.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.38.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n632cLbo022653 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:38:22 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4D6F28.5010200@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:38:32 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <4A4CB62E.5080006@chucknorcutt.com> <4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> <4A4CDC0A.9000102@adinet.com.uy> <4A4CFCD9.1060501@chucknorcutt.com> <4A4D3385.1060304@adinet.com.uy> <4A4D58CB.5000809@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4D58CB.5000809@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 04:38:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d6f2e117461357919056 LOL :-) Yes, both nouns are spoken / written in Spanish, each with quite = different meaning -- don't let Google confuse us on this, may be dangerous. 'Regador' comes from 'regadera': a small tank of a capacity of 5 to 10 = liters, which has an upwards-pointing tube ending in a perforated = circular cavity just like a shower (sometimes not, depending on its = capacity, smaller ones which contain 1 - 2 liter don't need it). An 'irrigador' follows the same hydrostatic / hydrodynamic laws. It has = a widespread use in medicine and dentistry, and maybe in other fields of = practice which I ignore. It names an instrument used to clean closed = cavities, by means of a low intensity hydrodynamic flow of water or = isotonic solution. A dentist would use a very tiny 'irrigador' to clean = a just finished cavity on a dental piece before applying whatever the do = to fill it (must be dried first !!). A surgeon would indicate the use of = a larger one to empty and clean the colon before entering into its = cavity for whatever such a thing is necessary. Ah, Chuck -- any brain will age slower if you keep it working, I bet you = know that :-) Rain Birds, that sounds nice: not because of its shape, but because I = frequently watch birds (and dogs, and my daughter when she was only 5) = playing and getting wet under their shower ... a nice picture. Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > According to the Google translator, "regador" translates to "irrigator". = > "irrigator" in English is a very generic term without the specificity = > of my four word description which was four words for your benefit. I = > didn't want you to be confused you know. :-) > > When I was a kid I just called them "rain birds" for the name of the = > California company that invented them in 1933. Now I would just say = > "impact sprinkler". According to Google that translates to > "impacto de rociadores" Oh, my! That's three words! :-) :-) > > But, as slow as my aging brain is, I am gradually learning some easily = > translated Spanish words like "300/4.5". :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > = >> Oh ! - a 'regador', I have some of those - not in Montevideo. >> There are several methods for implementing its function, but if you want = >> to buy one of these here, you will find this type of 'regador' only, so = >> we call all of them 'regador - regadores (pl.)' Better ones come from = >> Israel. >> >> Funny, this time it's the other way round: you need four words in = >> English, while I need only one in Spanish :-) >> >> I'll improve my English, but sooner or later you'll find yourself = >> understanding more Spanish than you've ever thought of ... lol :-) >> >> Fernando. >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> = >>> "that green whatever-it-is-called" is an impact water sprinkler head. = >>> [snip] >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> = >>> = >> = -- = Dr. Fernando Gonz=E1lez Gentile M.D. Av.L.P.Ponce 1526B - 11600 Montevideo, Uruguay. Phone: +598 2 7084858 Fax: +598 2 7087396 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 04:41:57 2009 Received: (qmail 28753 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 02:41:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 02:41:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A03E182DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF9BE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EBC19FC7C for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:41:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7E119FB7D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:41:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 18 days 07:06:09 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-38-165.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.38.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n632fh4m022845 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:41:43 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4D6FF1.6020009@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:41:53 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <4A4CB62E.5080006@chucknorcutt.com> <4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> <4A4CDC0A.9000102@adinet.com.uy> <4A4CFCD9.1060501@chucknorcutt.com> <4A4D3385.1060304@adinet.com.uy> <4A4D58CB.5000809@chucknorcutt.com> <001501c9fb83$751b9800$5f52c800$@com.au> In-Reply-To: <001501c9fb83$751b9800$5f52c800$@com.au> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 04:41:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d6ff571321234514069 You must be near Mexico, but I'm sure in Spain they use that form. It sounds somehow amusing to a Rio de la Plata Spanish-speaking person: here we use 'tempranito'. Fernando. Wayne Harridge wrote: >> But, as slow as my aging brain is, I am gradually learning some easily >> translated Spanish words like "300/4.5". :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> > > Yeah, one I've learnt recently - "tempranillo". > > ...Wayne > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 04:48:07 2009 Received: (qmail 17724 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 02:48:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 02:48:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C190FE182D9 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9004CE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8556934AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:48:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428F934AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:48:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imo-m22.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a4d7160289; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:48:00 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c61.4e2431fc (37059) for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB045-5bc04a4d714d174; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:47:46 -0400 Received: from FWM-M16 (fwm-m16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.80]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA037-5bc04a4d714d174; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:47:41 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:47:41 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43661-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by FWM-M16.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:47:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBC99FC4F0D8E8-DA0-200F@FWM-M16.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 04:48:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d7167301651560218263 Thanks for clarifying, Dr.Focus. I missed your previous post. Mike Dr. Focus wrote: > As I said earlier, if you can display or print without ressing-up the > image then you didn't need the resolution that you sacrificed to f/16 by > not shooting at f/11. If you shoot at f/16 you've still got a 7MP > image. Better than an E1 and almost as good as any digital camera up > until the last couple of years. Furthermore, to make it painfully > evident that you'd lost the resolution you'd probably have to shoot one > of AG's USAF line charts. :-) > > Dr. Focus -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 05:00:41 2009 Received: (qmail 5335 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 03:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 03:00:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85A7E182D1 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26EBE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE9E34AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:00:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C436934AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:00:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n6330Uga011157 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:00:30 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <7CC5AC9591D44A08945D6ECC4F9CFE68@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4D258B.10508@chucknorcutt.com><001001c9fb6c$0b928040$22b780c0$@com.au><4A4D55A0.8040802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:00:25 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Best FILM for lens testing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 05:00:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d7459150691234514069 I read lots of test sites, CA do shows with B/W target and color sensor (film). Yes, a lens will perform much worse in overexposed objects but at least we see something on B/W target. See this test from Tamron 90/2.8, the color fringe diffused to the black area and look much wores than just a soft line where you see in B/W film: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?FLI=0&API=0&Sample=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=3&LensComp=118&CameraComp=9&SampleComp=0&Lens=392 Of course if you have time to perform all the tests under each condition/target that would be great but I will try to get more from one testing target. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > > If you want to test for distortion, CA, bokeh, etc., then there are other > types of test subjects worthy of consideration. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 05:07:06 2009 Received: (qmail 22341 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 03:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 03:07:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E789E182F1 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11BFE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F6234AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:07:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49BE34AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:06:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 18 days 07:31:17 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-38-165.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.38.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6336t6g025060 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 00:06:56 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4D75DA.5050305@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:07:06 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 05:07:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d75da182872439112457 Well, it was quite foreseeable that I would start a thread like this one. I'll begin with the easy ones: 1- While changing the winder from the 4 to the 4Ti, I removed the chrome cap on the 4Ti and found that it would not screw easily on the 4 body. I somehow recall having read something on this here, long ago. Just wanted to be sure: the chrome cap won't screw on a 4 body, and the black cap won't screw on the 4Ti body. Am I right?. OTOH, battery caps are interchangeable. 2- I felt surprised by this one, never read of it here and it's not mentioned in the Manual of the 4Ti: after the winder2 was attached and working, I set the shutter speed dial to red 1/60 and to B. I fired on Sequence mode while looking at the shutter curtain. Both curtains seem to travel together, I could see no light through, at mechanical 1/60. But if I fire using the camera's shutter release button, it appears to be alright. Didn't try yet, my other winder in on my best OM 2n, but I'm almost sure that if I shoot in Sequence mode with shutter speed dial at B, the shutter would remain open. It's too late for me now to try this, and perhaps unnecessary. I remain surprised by the shutter at red 1/60 doesn't open when triggered by the winder2. 3- more to come, sorry list - I know you're busy in the digital age. ;-) Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 05:45:35 2009 Received: (qmail 16161 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 03:45:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 03:45:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB8FE18016 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A0DE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6165734AC02B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:45:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E54F3628002 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:45:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n633jQsD026398 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:45:27 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <3DCAF965345A43FE9982963CB8104193@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <4A4CB62E.5080006@chucknorcutt.com><4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> <000f01c9fb68$38e1ea30$aaa5be90$@com.au> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:45:24 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 05:45:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d7edf214321744846740 I don't think so, there is direct sunlight from top, the reflection from flowers will be very little in comparison. You can also see color fringe on the green color machine. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" >> >> Thanks for the sample, unfortunately (fortunately, my lens is not >> alone) >> there is purple fringe as seen on this crop. >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_2064es.jpg >> > > Not just a reflection in the bright metal of the purple flowers in the > background ? > > ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 05:53:25 2009 Received: (qmail 10609 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 03:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 03:53:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D07EE182E1 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F404DE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB50B34AC040 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:53:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5E734AC02D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:53:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n633rHEs029011 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:53:17 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <161E35EFE66D4922A54EBD985AAAA082@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <9e908c1f0907020826yc5dfa05i1580fbd63c0c332a@mail.gmail.com><99D735DE8600430FB83DD6B616920693@MAIN> <4A4D4790.4090703@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:53:11 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 05:53:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d80b5159075683411216 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > C.H.Ling wrote: >> I also found the extra reach of the 50/85-250mm is rather useful >> otherwise the 65-200 can replace them with half stop faster > > Tamron SP 60-300/3.8-5.4. I had consider that one, still a little heavy for me and I'm not sure of its performance. I'm interested to see how the SP70-210/3.5 perform, it is said to be the sharpest Tamron in its range (may be except the SP80-200/2.8) > >> , I never thought about the 80-200/2.8 due to its weight. >> > > The Tokina AT-X 80-200/2.8 is reputed to be slightly less excellent > optically than the Tamron SP. Also rarer. But the Tammy is 30% heavier. > The Tokina tripod mount is a much better, stronger, less intrusive > design. Although the Tokina is, in fact, only a tiny bit smaller, it > somehow feels significantly smaller in use. I'd consider that one too but most Tokina cannot pass the purple fringe test :-) C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 06:56:45 2009 Received: (qmail 10838 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 04:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 04:56:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FF8E181A5 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5155EE240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3910034AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:56:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8965534AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:56:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n634uZUC024479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:56:37 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A4BBE06.8020000@adinet.com.uy> <4A4BC99F.8080505@adinet.com.uy><199873231192437092EB9F7462A36EC5@MAIN> <4A4CB62E.5080006@chucknorcutt.com> <4146019F13E348C0A5AADDD133248460@MAIN> <4A4CDC0A.9000102@adinet.com.uy> <4A4CFCD9.1060501@chucknorcutt.com> <4A4D3385.1060304@adinet.com.uy> <4A4D58CB.5000809@chucknorcutt.com> <001501c9fb83$751b9800$5f52c800$@com.au> <4A4D6FF1.6020009@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4A4D6FF1.6020009@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:56:36 +1000 Message-ID: <001701c9fb9a$a5de8990$f19b9cb0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn7h9Wgaq7wf8bkSBqkbRSqW8gEOAADOuTA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 06:56:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d8f8d241681006886880 > > You must be near Mexico, but I'm sure in Spain they use that form. > Well, that's how the winemakers of the King Valley name the grape ! > > It sounds somehow amusing to a Rio de la Plata Spanish-speaking person: > here we use 'tempranito'. > I couldn't really work out what 'tempranito' is ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 08:05:29 2009 Received: (qmail 5271 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 06:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 06:05:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FEBE182ED for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDD5E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8735A34AC026 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:05:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B868834AC02B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:05:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n6365J7l015650 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:05:19 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n6365J93011412 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:05:19 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <9C95BC6CEF8D4D3FA3783090DCE22EC1@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4BEFEE.13742.3199AA8@bj.caverock.net.nz><8420917.1391246519036919.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <9e908c1f0907020841q7c6b7794u6677a4e3a0c262e7@mail.gmail.com><5E7ED14785BE4E51AD5DFDB70C56453A@MAIN><4A4D0D9E.9020802@chucknorcutt.com> <31A95BCE-C0C7-4DC7-B768-1B96F010B347@ucr.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:05:14 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 08:05:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4d9fa9232251342116753 Thanks for Chuck and siddiq looking, glad to hear you like them, 5144 is my most favorite one even it violated the DOF rule. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: > this one in particular, I like a lot: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/90F2A/IMG_5140.html > > On Jul 2, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> I like the four monochrome green images. I don't think I've ever shot >> one of just foliage that I liked. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> Although I complained about the bokeh of 90/2 in some situations >>> but it is >>> still a great lens. The color/tonal rendering is probably the best >>> among all >>> Zuikos I have used, that's why it have greater 3D look. I don't >>> remember the >>> images Giles posted but I can assure the 90/2 has this special >>> quality. >>> >>> 80/4 and 90/2 are two different animals, 80/4 is designed for 1:2 >>> to 2:1, >>> the images I just posted are all 1:1 shots, I don't find any >>> overlap on >>> them. I seldom use the 80/4 as it was mainly for insects but I was >>> too lazy >>> in these few years, it need lots of patience for finding insects. >>> >>> I hope below can balance out the 90/2 fans feel :-) >>> >>> Shot on June 24. Also, the aim was accompany my elder son for a photo >>> session so only did a few shots. >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/90F2A/90F2A.html >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joel Wilcox" >>> >>> This will raise the usual statements of denigration with respect to >>> the 90/2, but I believe it was Giles Stewart, once the list mum (?), >>> who posted comparison images of the 80 and 90 which to my eyes showed >>> a greater 3D realism to the rendering by the 90/2. As a result I >>> have >>> never yearned for the 80 and instead keep the 135 permanently on the >>> tubes. >>> >>> The comparison image was raindrops on a windshield IIRC, and not >>> really in the macro realm, whereas Ling's images appear to be in the >>> 1:10 and closer range, where other qualities may be emerging that >>> favor the 80. I should add that nothing about the 80 seemed bad, >>> just >>> that the 90 version was a wow to my eyes. >>> >>> I don't know if Ling remembers Giles' comparison images, but I think >>> his experience with the lenses has always seemed to favor the 80 over >>> the 90, so I suspect like any good Zuik you'll have to have them both >>> and see for yourself. >>> >>> As for me lately, I've been experimenting with both the 85/2 and >>> 135/2.8 with 7mm tube for close focusing. Haven't sent the film off >>> yet, but I recall John Lind got very nice results especially with the >>> 85/2 plus bit of extension. >>> >>> So many lovely ways to skin the cat. >>> >>> Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 08:28:22 2009 Received: (qmail 32603 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 06:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 06:28:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5364CE182CB for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D448E240DF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C10C34AC02B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:28:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90E734AC023 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:28:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30822 invoked by uid 502); 3 Jul 2009 06:28:15 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jul 2009 06:28:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4DA4F9.9030305@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:28:09 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4D75DA.5050305@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4A4D75DA.5050305@adinet.com.uy> Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 08:28:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4da506240101879814018 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Well, it was quite foreseeable that I would start a thread like this one. > > I'll begin with the easy ones: > > 1- While changing the winder from the 4 to the 4Ti, I removed the chrome cap on the 4Ti and found that it would not screw easily on the 4 body. I somehow recall having read something on this here, long ago. Just wanted to be sure: the chrome cap won't screw on a 4 body, and the black cap won't screw on the 4Ti body. Am I right?. OTOH, battery caps are interchangeable. > All caps, battery and winder, on all the OM-4 body series are interchangeable. Original caps for the OM-4 were painted black. But there was so much trouble with bits of paint getting into the threads and causing poor battery connections that Oly switched to chrome caps. If I recall correctly, this happened before the OM-4Ti came out. Just for fun, I just switched the battery and winder caps on an OM-4. They fit and work just fine reversed, once I changed the dead batteries. :-) Moose > 2- I felt surprised by this one, never read of it here and it's not mentioned in the Manual of the 4Ti: after the winder2 was attached and working, I set the shutter speed dial to red 1/60 and to B. I fired on Sequence mode while looking at the shutter curtain. Both curtains seem to travel together, I could see no light through, at mechanical 1/60. But if I fire using the camera's shutter release button, it appears to be alright. My question is - why bother? To me, the red 1/60 is strictly for emergencies when the battery is dead. In that case, I wouldn't be shooting with a winder in sequence mode anyway. Red 1/60 is an odd mode; it's not like they put in a full 1/60 gear train like on an OM-1 or 3, so I'm not surprised that it doesn't get along with rapid fire shooting with a winder. Go take some pictures with the camera. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 10:56:45 2009 Received: (qmail 16970 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 08:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 08:56:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF6DE18016 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406EDE240DF for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3D834AC02D for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:56:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE10134AC02B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:56:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com (zz20920578096.cipherkey.net [209.205.78.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0763312326 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:56:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bytesmiths.com Received: from mail.bytesmiths.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dns.bytesmiths.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P0SA0PK1owc4 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from create.bytesmiths.com (create.bytesmiths.com [209.205.78.97]) by mail.bytesmiths.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780DF3312310 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <24AE98CD-5B97-4E0E-A5A4-40871C9B3135@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:56:31 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Depth of field preview X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 10:56:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4dc7cd301299752976205 > From: "Wayne Harridge" > > Good to see that CA quote popping up from time-to-time Jan. But I'm not really sure what it means... :-) :::: To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. -- Sun Tzu :::: :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 10:58:29 2009 Received: (qmail 6192 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 08:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 08:58:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FBEE182D4 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63545E240DF for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E2919DEB9 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:58:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C354B19DE93 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:58:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4169961.1581246612222208.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-64-175.iburst.co.za ([41.213.64.175]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 764 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 09:10:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8B6383FDA0F94075845BC76EC3A95245@MAIN> X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:58:13 +0200 References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <8B6383FDA0F94075845BC76EC3A95245@MAIN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 10:58:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4dc83530861220213263 Hmm... for the size of prints I usually make (rarely larger than 9.5x12in) the 35/2.0 looks more than good enough. I've never understood the point of pixel- peeping, especially for lenses to be used with film, but thank you C.H. Ling, your test images are as ever very useful. I sure love my 24/2.0, and your image shows the impressive performance even wide open for an almost 40-year old design. cheers. On 02 Jul 2009, at 11:56 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > In my experience 35/2 is the least sharp Zuiko wide among the F2 > group. For > the F2 Zuiko wide, the order of resolution at infinity would be: > 21/2, 24/2, > 28/2 and 35/2. 21/2 and 24/2 are very close in performance. > > 21/2, 24/2 and 28/2 has close focus correction, they should perform > better > at close distance. I think the price reflect the quality very well, > 35/2 is > the cheapest F2 wide, of course it is also due to this focal length is > easier to make. > > BTW, I just made some test shot with 35/2, 24/2 and 50/1.4 SC, you > can see > the performance of both 24/2 and 50/1.4 are better but the 35/2 shot > is > still very usable. (the focus point is at "Central Valley") > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5479_35F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5480_24F2.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5481_5014F2.JPG > > C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 11:04:44 2009 Received: (qmail 1178 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 09:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 09:04:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87441E1822E for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0972FE240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D399234AC02D for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:04:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BCB34AC02B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:04:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (frank@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1MMehA-00019C-OY for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:04:36 +0200 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:04:32 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4A4D75DA.5050305@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4A4D75DA.5050305@adinet.com.uy> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 11:04:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4dc9ac246812013633067 Hey Fernando. The good old OM SLR FAQ question B27 does mention it: http://brashear.phys.appstate.edu/lhawkins/photo/olympus.faq.html#ques_B27 Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:07:06 -0300, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >2- I felt surprised by this one, never read of it here and it's not >mentioned in the Manual of the 4Ti: after the winder2 was attached and >working, I set the shutter speed dial to red 1/60 and to B. I fired on >Sequence mode while looking at the shutter curtain. Both curtains seem >to travel together, I could see no light through, at mechanical 1/60. >But if I fire using the camera's shutter release button, it appears to >be alright. Didn't try yet, my other winder in on my best OM 2n, but I'm >almost sure that if I shoot in Sequence mode with shutter speed dial at >B, the shutter would remain open. It's too late for me now to try this, >and perhaps unnecessary. I remain surprised by the shutter at red 1/60 >doesn't open when triggered by the winder2. >;-) > >Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 12:24:59 2009 Received: (qmail 14792 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 10:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 10:24:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF55E18016 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15364E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BF619E078 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:24:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F176F19E063 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:24:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n63AOmgX027447 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:24:48 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <81A285D0477D4B8CB5CF0A462F818DCE@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><8B6383FDA0F94075845BC76EC3A95245@MAIN> <4169961.1581246612222208.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:24:43 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 12:24:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ddc7b324745368819438 I'm with you about the quality of 35/2, it is good enough for most applications, it is better to worry about focus accuracy due to the narrow DOF. Talking about lens performance 24/2 really provide very fine details at wide open, the little softness is not an issue for digital sensor (easy corrected). What even better is the performance of 50/1.4 SC at F2, besides fine details, it is also very clean and sharp, the best lens for its money. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawid Loubser" > Hmm... for the size of prints I usually make (rarely larger than > 9.5x12in) the 35/2.0 looks > more than good enough. I've never understood the point of pixel- > peeping, especially for lenses to > be used with film, but thank you C.H. Ling, your test images are as > ever very useful. > > I sure love my 24/2.0, and your image shows the impressive performance > even wide open for an almost > 40-year old design. > > cheers. > > On 02 Jul 2009, at 11:56 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > >> In my experience 35/2 is the least sharp Zuiko wide among the F2 >> group. For >> the F2 Zuiko wide, the order of resolution at infinity would be: >> 21/2, 24/2, >> 28/2 and 35/2. 21/2 and 24/2 are very close in performance. >> >> 21/2, 24/2 and 28/2 has close focus correction, they should perform >> better >> at close distance. I think the price reflect the quality very well, >> 35/2 is >> the cheapest F2 wide, of course it is also due to this focal length is >> easier to make. >> >> BTW, I just made some test shot with 35/2, 24/2 and 50/1.4 SC, you >> can see >> the performance of both 24/2 and 50/1.4 are better but the 35/2 shot >> is >> still very usable. (the focus point is at "Central Valley") >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5479_35F2.JPG >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5480_24F2.JPG >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5481_5014F2.JPG >> >> C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 12:34:23 2009 Received: (qmail 3542 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 10:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 10:34:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C58FE182E2 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26201E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0837119E0A0 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:34:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F2419E09E for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:34:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.145]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so632518eyb.10 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:34:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.11.207 with SMTP id 57mr314652wex.154.1246617252245; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:34:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <81A285D0477D4B8CB5CF0A462F818DCE@MAIN> References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <8B6383FDA0F94075845BC76EC3A95245@MAIN> <4169961.1581246612222208.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <81A285D0477D4B8CB5CF0A462F818DCE@MAIN> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:34:12 +0200 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 12:34:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ddeaf8911073733319 What even better is the performance of 50/1.4 SC at F2, besides > fine details, it is also very clean and sharp, the best lens for its money. > > C.H.Ling > I think there are too much model variations in the 50f1.4 series to state this. My SC 400.XXX serial 50f1.4 is very, wery soft (think David Hamilton :) wide open, and stays soft at f2, It improves at 2.8 and over. To me it is a good enlarging glass :) Iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 12:37:57 2009 Received: (qmail 19673 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 10:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 10:37:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00048E182C9 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862BDE240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB6434AC026 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:37:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EC934AC023 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:37:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 03:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7689494.1651246618191975.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-38-22.iburst.co.za ([41.213.38.22]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 574 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:49:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:37:43 +0200 References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <8B6383FDA0F94075845BC76EC3A95245@MAIN> <4169961.1581246612222208.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <81A285D0477D4B8CB5CF0A462F818DCE@MAIN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 12:37:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ddf8577795683411216 I agree, there seems to be huge variance. I've also had a (beautiful) silvernosed 50/1.4 SC, and it was terribly soft wide open. The >1.1mil 50/1.4 MC I have no is simply stupendously sharp, I have a 9x12 darkroom print made at f/ 1.4 of a street scene (distant, so everything is in focus) which is just amazing, nobody believes me it was taken at f/1.4. On 03 Jul 2009, at 12:34 PM, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > What even better is the performance of 50/1.4 SC at F2, besides >> fine details, it is also very clean and sharp, the best lens for >> its money. >> >> C.H.Ling >> > > I think there are too much model variations in the 50f1.4 series to > state this. > My SC 400.XXX serial 50f1.4 is very, wery soft (think David Hamilton > :) wide open, and stays soft at f2, > It improves at 2.8 and over. To me it is a good enlarging glass :) > > Iwert > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 13:41:13 2009 Received: (qmail 24899 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 11:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 11:41:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDED4E182ED for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CB4E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEEA19E287 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:41:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48D519E279 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:41:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1491890fxm.14 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:41:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.133.67 with SMTP id 3mr100756hbu.63.1246621262632; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:41:02 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] picture link X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 13:41:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4dee5976181357919056 Hi Chuck, C.H and all, >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> Hi John, >>> >>> I think this is the picture you wanted: >>> >>> http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/olympusep1_preview2/originals/p6160172.jpg Chuck wrote: > I meant to add that the color fringes seem to have distinct horizontal > and vertical components. AFAIK, CA is something which gets worse the > farther away from the optical axis. That is the case of the transverse CA, a.k.a. "lateral colour". However, unlike axial CA, it won't improve by stopping down :-( > So it should be radially > distributed and not horizontally and vertically. However, pixels are > horizontally and vertically distributed so I think this fringing is > somehow related to the sensor and/or processing as AG suggested. I have looked at the different colour channels in PS... and the red channel shows a _bigger_ image (higher magnification). There's also a slight difference in scale between the green and blue channels, but too small to be an issue. Should the red channel were shifted only, I could think of a sensor/processing issue... but with the difference in size (unless voluntarily caused by a _very_ wicked/twisted processing firmware :-) it only can be transverse CA, lateral colour -- and would remain the same at f/2.8, f/6.3 or f/22 :-( C.H. Ling wrote: >What about this one at F2.8? > >http://pliki.optyczne.pl/ep1/17/foto04.jpg The centre is very well defined, but it's no surpirse. The corners of this picture have no detail to disturb by transverse CA... in fact, the sign at the right side is white on red, which is inmune to this kind of CA. However, some lateral colour can be seen at the top (white on sky) and at the sculpture at the left. Shooting at f/2.8 doesn't impair things wiht _transverse_ CA. Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 13:51:00 2009 Received: (qmail 1510 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 11:50:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 11:50:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1CBE182EB for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4B7E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A832F19E2B9 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:50:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C5D19E28B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:50:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n63BopV7021040 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:50:51 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <44CCEAF63D81484287A2060C41ED33E5@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><8B6383FDA0F94075845BC76EC3A95245@MAIN><4169961.1581246612222208.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za><81A285D0477D4B8CB5CF0A462F818DCE@MAIN> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:50:39 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 13:51:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4df0a4301924877110844 I'm a bit lucky on that, my 56xxxx SC and 109xxxx MC both have very similar performance for distance objects, perhaps the MC just has better flare resistance. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3655_5014SC_F14 http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_3657_5014MC_F14 C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "iwert bernakiewicz" > What even better is the performance of 50/1.4 SC at F2, besides >> fine details, it is also very clean and sharp, the best lens for its >> money. >> >> C.H.Ling >> > > I think there are too much model variations in the 50f1.4 series to state > this. > My SC 400.XXX serial 50f1.4 is very, wery soft (think David Hamilton > :) wide open, and stays soft at f2, > It improves at 2.8 and over. To me it is a good enlarging glass :) > > Iwert -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 13:59:50 2009 Received: (qmail 28947 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 11:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 11:59:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4DBE181B1 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45691E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366E234AC026 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:59:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EFB34AC023 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:59:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 04:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1501440fxm.14 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:59:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.126.66 with SMTP id b2mr869506fas.18.1246622380310; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:59:40 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] CA and color fringing, was: RANT: Sample images taken with EP-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 13:59:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4df2b6144976789618724 Hi C.H. and all, > From: "C.H.Ling" > I don't think bokeh quality is subjective but it is relative, you can say > there is no lens with bad bokeh just the bokeh of one lens is better than > the other. Well, you can't measure bokeh with a number, can you? :-) So it's a subjective matter. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" > I just > need a lens that produce "clean" image like the DZ50-200, it has much less > purple fringe (may be CA too) than my current long Zuikos and the famous > Tamron 180/2.5. > The Tamron 180/2.5 does have visible CA, axial type -- I have seen it with film. However, I believe it's a common issue with Internal Focusing lenses. >> http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-Lens-Reviews.aspx > >> > > > > Very interesting link! Thanks a lot! > > > > In the test site above there are lots of examples showing the CA/Purple > fringe corrected at stop down. > Yes, that's in the case of axial CA, which with this target makes the thin black letters look blue-purple. But some lenses also exhibit transverse CA (lateral colour), which remains about the same no matter the aperture. For instance, in < http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=481&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0&LensComp=0&CameraComp=0&SampleComp=0&FLI=0&API=9 > if you look at the hollow square at the bottom right, you'll notice that even at f/16 there's some CA (lateral colour) present, although purple fringing was gone long ago. BTW, if this Zeiss lens has the same glass as the older in Yashica/Contax mount, then for "real life" is an excellent lens, although in astrophotography is not as good as our beloved Zuiko 85/2... or even the sultry, four elements Tamron 135/2.5! Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 15:16:58 2009 Received: (qmail 32032 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 13:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 13:16:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B480EE182AF for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43259E240F0 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F29C19DD27 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:16:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983BC19E502 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:16:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5733 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jul 2009 13:16:44 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 15:16:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e04ca40675683411216 From the history of Rain Bird "The company=92s name comes from an ancient Native American legend about a = great bird that brought life-giving rain following a terrible drought." Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Rain Birds, that sounds nice: not because of its shape, but because I = > frequently watch birds (and dogs, and my daughter when she was only 5) = > playing and getting wet under their shower ... a nice picture. > = > Fernando. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 15:19:42 2009 Received: (qmail 5281 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 13:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 13:19:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42D1E182B8 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AE1E240DF for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325CB34AC02D for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:19:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A10934AC02B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:19:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n63DJUI8016347 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:19:30 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <8CFC72CAB2E944DAAEFE32821FF4F040@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:19:25 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] CA and color fringing, was: RANT: Sample images taken with EP-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 15:19:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e056e85861879814018 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" > The Tamron 180/2.5 does have visible CA, axial type -- I have seen it with > film. However, I believe it's a common issue with Internal Focusing > lenses. > Not with the DZ50-200, it is also a IF lens and a zoom too. > > Yes, that's in the case of axial CA, which with > this target makes the thin black letters look blue-purple. But some > lenses also exhibit transverse CA (lateral colour), which remains > about the same no > matter the aperture. > > For instance, in < > http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=481&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0&LensComp=0&CameraComp=0&SampleComp=0&FLI=0&API=9 >> > > if you look at the hollow square at the bottom right, you'll notice that > even at f/16 there's some CA (lateral colour) present, although purple > fringing was gone long ago. > This time I would say I can't 'see' it, it is just too small a problem for me. The kind of CA is just one or two pixels spread, much less a problem in real life when comparing with color fringe. C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 15:25:13 2009 Received: (qmail 15041 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 13:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 13:25:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4715E182E1 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9027EE240DF for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875CB19E537 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:25:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E2919E53D for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:25:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11888 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jul 2009 13:25:04 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jul 2009 13:25:04 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4E06AE.3070900@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:25:02 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090702-0, 07/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] picture link X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 15:25:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e06b9175435034211378 Thanks for the piece on lateral color. I hadn't thought about checking the magnification of the various color channels. Chuck Norcutt Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > Hi Chuck, C.H and all, > >>> C.H.Ling wrote: >>>> Hi John, >>>> >>>> I think this is the picture you wanted: >>>> >>>> > http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/olympusep1_preview2/originals/p6160172.jpg > > > Chuck wrote: > >> I meant to add that the color fringes seem to have distinct horizontal >> and vertical components. AFAIK, CA is something which gets worse the >> farther away from the optical axis. > > > That is the case of the transverse CA, a.k.a. "lateral colour". However, > unlike axial CA, it won't improve by stopping down :-( > > >> So it should be radially >> distributed and not horizontally and vertically. However, pixels are >> horizontally and vertically distributed so I think this fringing is >> somehow related to the sensor and/or processing as AG suggested. > > > I have looked at the different colour channels in PS... and the red channel > shows a _bigger_ image (higher magnification). There's also a slight > difference in scale between the green and blue channels, but too small to be > an issue. > > Should the red channel were shifted only, I could think of a > sensor/processing issue... but with the difference in size (unless > voluntarily caused by a _very_ wicked/twisted processing firmware :-) it > only can be transverse CA, lateral colour -- and would remain the same at > f/2.8, f/6.3 or f/22 :-( > > C.H. Ling wrote: >> What about this one at F2.8? >> >> http://pliki.optyczne.pl/ep1/17/foto04.jpg > > The centre is very well defined, but it's no surpirse. The corners of this > picture have no detail to disturb by transverse CA... in fact, the sign at > the right side is white on red, which is inmune to this kind of CA. However, > some lateral colour can be seen at the top (white on sky) and at the > sculpture at the left. > > Shooting at f/2.8 doesn't impair things wiht _transverse_ CA. > > Cheers, -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 15:27:53 2009 Received: (qmail 8447 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 13:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 13:27:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF05E182D4 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DA8E240DF for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C8519E589 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:27:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DD919E571 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:27:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f217.google.com (mail-bw0-f217.google.com [209.85.218.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz17 with SMTP id 17so317858bwz.14 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:27:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.56.4 with SMTP id w4mr1300116bkg.25.1246627665013; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:27:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4169961.1581246612222208.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <8B6383FDA0F94075845BC76EC3A95245@MAIN> <4169961.1581246612222208.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:27:44 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e6e5ff94579bedbd Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 15:27:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e0759143512439112457 > > Hmm... for the size of prints I usually make (rarely larger than 9.5x12in) > the 35/2.0 looks more than good enough. I've never understood the point of > pixel-peeping, especially for lenses to be used with film, but thank you > C.H. Ling, your test images are as > ever very useful. > I think this proves a point. Just get out and shoot. These things are almost always more capable than I am of achieving great pictures. > I sure love my 24/2.0, and your image shows the impressive performance > even wide open for an almost 40-year old design. Forty years ago we were landing men on the moon. We were not as technically inferior back then as we think. There were many refinements through the years--mostly in coatings and aspherical-shaped elements, but some lenses reached the pinnacle of design early on. For the last 15 of those 40 years, development has been in zoom lenses, anyway. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 15:36:46 2009 Received: (qmail 1937 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 13:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 13:36:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1792E182F5 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208DEE240DF for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCCE19E5A8 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:36:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13B919E5A3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:36:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7862) for ; 03 Jul 2009 23:36:32 +1000 Message-ID: <000.a8cc030061094e4a.004@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:36:33 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <000501c9fb10$c2da8880$488f9980$@com.au> References: <901BA809-ED02-4A44-8896-4449A53217E0@Bytesmiths.com> <3C7E9D27-8634-4BCC-827D-1D241220E045@gmail.com> <4D8EC5EDC7AC4B0E87E859203DC87113@MAIN> <1ADF6190-D4E9-4228-8133-B805EEEDAC6C@gmail.com> <4A4AF479.3090905@gmail.com> <000.48590400b4574b4a.004@comkal.net> <000501c9fb10$c2da8880$488f9980$@com.au> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.27.1397) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein)] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 15:36:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e096e95376789618724 Hi Wayne, > Dense overcast every day, p*ss*ng down with rain most of the time, only > redeeming things were that the local wineries were open and I had some fun > driving through mud ! One of the main reasons I stopped taking a camera with me when I'm out n about, unfortunetly when its sunny here I have the dog or a wife in the wheelchair so I still dont take a camera out with me. I sort of view it as a past addiction ;-) Cheers Ian Manners I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve immortality through not dying." -- Woody Allen -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 15:40:46 2009 Received: (qmail 30968 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 13:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 13:40:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75CAE182EB for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13309E240DF for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DA134AC02B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:40:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545DA34AC026 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:40:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (donholbrook@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BQ3u1c0030mv7h053RgfAK; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:40:39 +0000 Received: from sz0029.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.79]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BRgf1c00D1iZpPQ3XRgf3N; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:40:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:40:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Don Holbrook To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <800303444.45061246628439324.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4A4CE2EA.9000204@tc.umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.96.58.79] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.16_GA_2927.RHEL5_64 (zclient/5.0.16_GA_2927.RHEL5_64) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Flies with eye hair, and Midge Magic X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 15:40:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e0a5d8021357919056 Hi, Dean. Thanks for the compliment! My question on hooking up Canon 540s some time back was due to your suggestions on different flash arrangements. I obtained the needed parts and everything works (Thanks, Chuck). As for the fishing, it's cold and very wet here, but will be in Tennessee on the South Holston shortly. Later. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Hansen To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Sent: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [OM] Flies with eye hair, and Midge Magic Darin recently posted: "Great article John, thanks for the tip. Who knew flies have hairs growing out of their compound eyes." Actually, I've known that for years. When I was doing my thesis research on a group of midges, one character used to differentiate various species from each other was the presence or absence of, well, hairs growing out of their compound eyes. I even illustrated these hairs in my thesis. (Trust me, you don't want to read it.) Eyes hairy verses eyes bare, and one gets the 30-some species separated into two more manageable groups. But if you do want to read something really interesting and readable on midges, get a copy of OM list member Don Holbrook's book on tying tiny trout flies, "Midge Magic." His macro set-up uses an OM 2N, bellows, the (manual) 20 and 38mm macro lenses, the 80/4 macro, and either a ring flash or two T32s. I haven't done a book report for 49 years now, not since Miss Magnuson's 12th grade English class, but I'll maybe do one for list members on Don's midge book. I think it's simply great. Wonderful job, Don! And enjoy your fishing this summer! Dean -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 15:54:41 2009 Received: (qmail 2046 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 13:54:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 13:54:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AADE181A5 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF95E240DF for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572B519E64C for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:54:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DECB19E64B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:54:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (donholbrook@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BPJL1c0031vXlb85ARuaml; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:54:34 +0000 Received: from sz0029.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.79]) by OMTA17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BRvt1c0061iZpPQ3dRvthR; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:55:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:54:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Don Holbrook To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <1321018200.49491246629274037.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <5E7ED14785BE4E51AD5DFDB70C56453A@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.96.58.79] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.16_GA_2927.RHEL5_64 (zclient/5.0.16_GA_2927.RHEL5_64) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 15:54:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e0da083061950411718 #5152 is what the 90 is all about. Stunning. My opinion only. ----- Original Message ----- From: C.H.Ling To: Olympus Camera Discussion Sent: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [OM] Real world [was More on DOF and focal length (by Ctein) Although I complained about the bokeh of 90/2 in some situations but it is still a great lens. The color/tonal rendering is probably the best among all Zuikos I have used, that's why it have greater 3D look. I don't remember the images Giles posted but I can assure the 90/2 has this special quality. 80/4 and 90/2 are two different animals, 80/4 is designed for 1:2 to 2:1, the images I just posted are all 1:1 shots, I don't find any overlap on them. I seldom use the 80/4 as it was mainly for insects but I was too lazy in these few years, it need lots of patience for finding insects. I hope below can balance out the 90/2 fans feel :-) Shot on June 24. Also, the aim was accompany my elder son for a photo session so only did a few shots. http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/90F2A/90F2A.html C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 15:58:04 2009 Received: (qmail 24504 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 13:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 13:58:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD58E1822C for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD56E240DF for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AE919E666 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:57:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9DD19E63C for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:57:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.146]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so661313eyb.10 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:57:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.52.194 with SMTP id e44mr373474wec.34.1246629477367; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:57:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <663537.1381246518876688.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <8B6383FDA0F94075845BC76EC3A95245@MAIN> <4169961.1581246612222208.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:57:57 +0200 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 15:58:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e0e6c20555034211378 > Forty years ago we were landing men on the moon. =A0We were not as techni= cally > inferior back then as we think. There were many refinements through the > years--mostly in coatings and aspherical-shaped elements, but some lenses > reached the pinnacle of design early on. =A0For the last 15 of those 40 y= ears, > development has been in zoom lenses, anyway. > > AG > -- Yes, and to know that they don't know how to get back because they lost the original blueprints to continue the work from there... It sure wasn't bad 40 years back, for one thing, I wasn't born yet (just :). But one of my earliest memories is being in the living room of my babtcha and we all looking at a very grainy black & white TV (from the bad antenna) of the launch of Skylab III. I still see this rocket going! Iwert -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 17:45:12 2009 Received: (qmail 1581 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 15:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 15:45:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2EEE18300 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5450FE240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485D219E939 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:45:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F2D19E8CE for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:45:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090703154505.OGCM14603.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:45:05 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id BTl41c00H4Z9Gks02Tl4ok; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:45:05 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uEz1gkdb7vgA:10 a=CY0_859c6vccDk4U7EcA:9 a=kfBxxTC8smcNWu_8F-gkByDrMH0A:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <04D0A4349ACD449F82231639C3E5CEB9@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:44:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Opinions and images wanted: OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 17:45:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e2788205441413256596 > I've always wanted to try the 28-48 zoom, it looked interesting but you > rarely see them for sale. I've never even seen one in real life! I can't remember where I got mine. I doubt they made that many of them, as the zoom range is so narrow. "Why make a zoom with less than 2x range?", you ask. Perhaps because it's easier to control the various abberations that zooms commonly had. I don't > know if I'd like the f4 max. aperture though, I find the 35-70 f4 hard to > focus, so I imagine the 28-48 is probably hard to focus for me too. > Not any troubles there, but it is so wide... Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 19:57:55 2009 Received: (qmail 14784 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 17:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 17:57:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93A0E182DD for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF94BE240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813A419ECE2 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:57:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A6E19ECEC for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:57:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n63Hvjgq018520 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:57:45 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.d0d.583d2145 (37049) for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.154]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB037-d4134a4e4692354; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:57:41 -0400 Received: from Webmail-mg05 (webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.153]) by smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD011-d4134a4e4692354; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:57:38 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:57:38 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43661-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com (64.12.142.153) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:57:38 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBCA1EE3460E1F-854-3888@Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com> Subject: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 19:57:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e46a350652013633067 Congratulations on your 4T and 300/4.5, Fernando. It has rained 23 out of 30 days in June and is finally nice this PM. I have a nice Black 4T that John recently tuned up. I think I meander out with it and see what is to be seen. Mike 3- more to come, sorry list - I know you're busy in the digital age. ;-) Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 20:27:45 2009 Received: (qmail 7743 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 18:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 18:27:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B2AE182E7 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36B4E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D76419ED78 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:27:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9516E19ED84 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:27:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1701176fxm.14 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:27:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.133.67 with SMTP id 3mr128817hbu.63.1246645657402; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:27:37 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 28/06/2009: red on grey X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 20:27:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e4da1215321234514069 Hi Nathan and all, > From: Nathan > Yesterday afternoon we were in a rather nondescript part of Warsaw > centre, looking for a backyard (Ulica Zlota nr. 62) where a fragment > of the Ghetto wall has been preserved. Then a splash of red appeared: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/gallery/4253606_netUM#576858343_okaE9-O-LB Great picture... with a story behind. Thanks for sharing! Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 20:53:32 2009 Received: (qmail 7000 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 18:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 18:53:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78C2E181B2 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F41E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC1134AC026 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:53:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C5334AC023 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:53:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so153961fga.13 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:53:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.164.76 with SMTP id s12mr133473hbd.125.1246647202850; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:53:22 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Best FILM for lens testing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 20:53:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e53ac62051234514069 Hi all, >From: james king >testing at f11+ can mean long exposure times. I generally shoot at wide apertures, so the smaller aperture in my tests should be f/5.6 or f/8, depending on lens speed. >However I think the results from B&W will >need printing or scanning for you to make comparisons. I did quite a few >tests with velvia 100 which allows you to make comparisons with a light >table and loupe... Yes, but I definitely need a _good_ loupe -- I want to check the lens' aberrations, not the loupe's! I have used a 50/1.8 as a "highly corrected loupe", although doesn't seem to give much magnification. >From: Ken Norton >Lens testing I've done on B&W has been done with Ilford PanF and Delta 100 I was thinking about these films... >processed in Ilfotec DD-X. ...and that's my usual developer, too. Would be a reasonable combination. >You can also use Ilford FP4 film in DD-X. Not a favourite of me... and seems difficult to scan :-( >This thick-emulsion film has >tremendous "migration" characteristics which give the lens tests a >definitive yes/no interpretation of the line-pairs (see my reply to Chuck a couple of paragraphs below) >From: Chuck Norcutt >I don't understand shooting B&W Well, I shoot B&W frequently, so it's a reasonable option. >and B&W, high contrast test charts if >you're ultimately going to be shooting color film and real world scenes. In fact, I have little interest on doing an analytic, numerical resolution test -- I'd prefer to compare _subjectively_ the sharpness and aberration pattern of the lenses, with somewhat realistic (although normalized) "subjects" >You could probably save on film by first filtering the duds with the >digital. If the lens doesn't cut it in the center it's unlikely to do >much good in the corners. A very good point, indeed. I think I'll do that, then re-check the best ones with film. >From: Ken Norton >Shooting the test charts in color is really only beneficial if you want to >see the color aberations. However, sometimes I shoot colour, and I'd like to know how the lens renders it -- e.g. does it yellow? >the only current choices that I would consider for >high-contrast tests is Ektachrome 64T, Kodachrome 64, or Fujichrome >Astia 100F. I use Astia 100F a lot. I'm now trying the Provia 400X. >If color negative films would work, I'd use Kodak Portra 160NC or the >newest >Fuji 160S without hesitation I may try it, probably would "scan" well... thru the camera ;-) I have used Portra 400NC (and VC) in 120 format with great results. >We shoot res charts instead of "real world scenes" for lens tests because >of >controlled lighting and repeatability. That would matter more if I want to "archive" the results as a reference to comparte future lenses against them... but I'm trying to select some lenses from a bunch, in the future I could just retest the selected one against the new competitor, in probably different conditions thant the earlier test, but still valid for the current comparison. Many thanks to all for your help and ideas! Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 21:18:11 2009 Received: (qmail 23466 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 19:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 19:18:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E793EE18228 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48823E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B15934AC026 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:18:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408C734AC023 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:18:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f217.google.com (mail-bw0-f217.google.com [209.85.218.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz17 with SMTP id 17so488933bwz.14 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:18:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.157.82 with SMTP id p18mr139845hbc.6.1246648683193; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:18:03 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. 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(chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Jul 2009 19:29:57 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4E5C34.4000006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:29:56 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090703-0, 07/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Best FILM for lens testing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 21:30:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e5c3f641413256596 But you do have to watch out for the Zuiko 18/3.5 which sacrifices center resolution for improved edge resolution. Chuck Norcutt Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > >> You could probably save on film by first filtering the duds with the >> digital. If the lens doesn't cut it in the center it's unlikely to do >> much good in the corners. > > A very good point, indeed. I think I'll do that, then re-check the best ones > with film. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 3 21:30:54 2009 Received: (qmail 22843 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 19:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 19:30:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379CFE182EF for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB929E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBFC934AC02B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:30:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0253C34AC026 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:30:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1726366fxm.14 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:30:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.113.68 with SMTP id z4mr1153719fap.72.1246649418985; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:30:18 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Hats off - Zuiko 300mm f/4, 5 <--> 85~250mm f/5 shootout, by Chuck X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 3 21:30:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e5c6e313153900897491 Hi C.H. and all, >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> I also found the extra reach of the 50/85-250mm is rather useful >>> otherwise the 65-200 can replace them with half stop faster >> >> Tamron SP 60-300/3.8-5.4. > >I had consider that one, still a little heavy for me and I'm not sure of its >performance. I'm interested to see how the SP70-210/3.5 perform, it is said >to be the sharpest Tamron in its range (may be except the SP80-200/2.8) The SP70-210/3.5 is, indeed, a _very_ good performer. Some say it's simply the best 70-210 out there by ANY manufacturer ever -- period. It was my only "long telephoto" lens for many years and gave me a lot of satisfaction -- unlike the Zuiko 35/2. Incredibly smooth zoom action with ZERO creep, also. However, it's very heavy and cumbersome -- not any lighter or smaller than the 60-300/3.8-5.4, which is also said not be as good as the 3.5 (but that doesn't mean it's bad!!!). Another drawback of the 60-300 it's its relatively slow aperture (f/5.4) where it's most needed, at the long end. I would recommend, however, a forgotten Tamron: the 75-250/3.8-4.5 (model 104A). Again, another big boy, but feels much lighter and easier to handle than the other two. And, it's of a rare kind of "semi-variable aperture" -- it will keep at f/3.8 thru most of the range, up to 180-200mm, losing light towards the long end only. So, within the range of the 70-210/3.5 it has almost the same speed. Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 00:42:40 2009 Received: (qmail 24256 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 22:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 22:42:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6E6E182F4 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A8CE240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1A634AC02B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2536D34AC026 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1789333fxm.14 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:42:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.207 with SMTP id w15mr1740240bkq.97.1246660951580; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:42:31 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fcd2be7649e85e4e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] GPS results X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 00:42:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e896045261220213263 Well, I was in Iowa City today and managed to score a Garmin eTrex Vista for a real song. It was a red-tag item at Scheels and I got it for under $70. No complaints here. Patience sometimes pays off. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 00:48:35 2009 Received: (qmail 8374 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 22:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 22:48:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD154E182B0 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7059AE240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2054819F37D for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:48:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8909219F379 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:48:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13983 invoked by uid 504); 3 Jul 2009 22:48:26 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090703-0, 07/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] GPS results X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 00:48:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e8ac3149241076813867 From now on we want to know precisely where your shots were taken. You can begin with the lens test shots at the coordinates of your apartment. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > Well, I was in Iowa City today and managed to score a Garmin eTrex Vista for > a real song. It was a red-tag item at Scheels and I got it for under $70. > No complaints here. Patience sometimes pays off. > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 01:08:19 2009 Received: (qmail 12693 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 23:08:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 23:08:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5C5E182E5 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBCAE240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1734D19F3C6 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:08:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665D619F3C5 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:08:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1795648fxm.14 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:08:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.207 with SMTP id w15mr1759164bkq.97.1246662491273; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:08:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4E8AB9.8070002@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A4E8AB9.8070002@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:08:11 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a349e74449e479cc Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] GPS results X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 01:08:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e8f6351021220213263 > > From now on we want to know precisely where your shots were taken. You > can begin with the lens test shots at the coordinates of your apartment. > :-) > Hmm, I can't seem to get the accuracy closer than 7 miles. ;) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 01:17:14 2009 Received: (qmail 22377 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2009 23:17:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 23:17:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF62E182E1 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A66FE240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AF719F3C5 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:17:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.117 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.117 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6103719F3E1 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:17:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 19 days 03:41:19 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-33-182.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.33.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n63NGsnQ014217 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:16:55 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4E9173.3020505@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:17:07 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4D75DA.5050305@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 01:17:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4e917a131032439112457 Moose wrote: > Go take some pictures with the camera. :-) Done! - finished a Velvia 50 and got it processed this afternoon. I got one shot with the 300 @ 11, that you would like to show you. Did the same one @ 4,5, and it's not that good. Unfortunately, I messed around too much into the registry, and xp in very unstable now. Too many things to fix, and some solutions lead to new problems ... I managed to deactivate CS3, go figure :-) Frank van Lindert wrote: > Hey Fernando. > > The good old OM SLR FAQ question B27 does mention it: > http://brashear.phys.appstate.edu/lhawkins/photo/olympus.faq.html#ques_B27 > > Frank van Lindert > Utrecht NL. > Thank you Frank, I've been to R. Lee Hawkins' site dozens of times, but _never_ read the f.a.q. chapter !!. Late last night I found the answer to my question on page 60 of its Manual: "You cannot use the motor drive, winders and flashes with the mechanical shutter". While I agree with Moose on the inherent contradiction in using a -drive at 1/60, I'm a little disappointed by the flash issue. Fortunately, John says something different at Hawkins' site - shall investigate it. One more thing I found written there: the 'confusional state', found in the 4 and not yet in the 4Ti. Shall write on this later. Moose: I didn't want to force the thread, but the chrome cap in the 4 body doesn't quite fit in mine. It may, perhaps, if I insist but ... why bother ;-) usher99@aol.com wrote: > Congratulations on your 4T and 300/4.5, Fernando. Thanks a lot, Mike. The weather has been terrible these days here, yesterday afternoon was a blessing -- did good ones with the 300 :-) Fernando. --- if absent for a while, it's because I'm learning software engineering by myself ;-) * * > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 02:38:55 2009 Received: (qmail 5726 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 00:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 00:38:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D3CE182B8 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49928E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CC219F529 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:38:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C258019F527 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:38:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 19 days 05:03:02 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-33-182.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.33.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n640ca4L018654 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:38:36 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4EA498.9070606@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:38:48 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4D75DA.5050305@adinet.com.uy> <4A4E9173.3020505@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4A4E9173.3020505@adinet.com.uy> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] typos, was: f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 02:38:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ea49e287011234514069 whoa ! - it's so unstable, that it's making me do a lot of typographic misspellings :-) Fernando. Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > Unfortunately, I messed around too much into the registry, and xp in > very unstable now. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 03:03:01 2009 Received: (qmail 5194 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 01:03:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 01:03:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B3FE182B5 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875A6E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EF734AC026 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:02:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42D334AC023 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:02:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23601 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jul 2009 01:02:52 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090703-0, 07/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] GPS results X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 03:03:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4eaa45182287801554290 Just claim that you live in a very large building. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> From now on we want to know precisely where your shots were taken. You >> can begin with the lens test shots at the coordinates of your apartment. >> :-) >> > > > Hmm, I can't seem to get the accuracy closer than 7 miles. > > ;) > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 03:06:59 2009 Received: (qmail 12364 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 01:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 01:06:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F883E181AE for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64DAE240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EF219F55E for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:06:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F11E19F551 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:06:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26190 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jul 2009 01:06:50 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090703-0, 07/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] typos, was: f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 03:06:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4eab33101502517112723 Just restore the backup copy that you certainly made before messing with the registry. Ummm. You did... didn't you. :-) Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > whoa ! - it's so unstable, that it's making me do a lot of typographic > misspellings :-) > > Fernando. > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> Unfortunately, I messed around too much into the registry, and xp in >> very unstable now. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 03:48:24 2009 Received: (qmail 1924 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 01:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 01:48:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18E7E181A6 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789BFE240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F5219F5B8 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:48:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0082519F5B6 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:48:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 19 days 06:12:32 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-33-182.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.33.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n641m8Y0022309 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:48:09 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4EB4D8.6050009@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:48:08 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4D75DA.5050305@adinet.com.uy> <4A4E9173.3020505@adinet.com.uy> <4A4EA498.9070606@adinet.com.uy> <4A4EAB29.1070502@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4EAB29.1070502@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] typos, was: f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 03:48:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4eb4e853221879814018 I did backup every registry 'fix'. Think that the mess was that I 'fixed' the registry with CCleaner _and_ with Eusing. I restored both backups, and then Kaspersky went wrong and CS3 lost its activation. Already fixed Kaspersky (that's why I'm here ... ). Finishing an important post-process now, then I'll uninstall CS3, clean its registry entries and reinstall. I went into this because my sister was having problems with IE, I told her to download CCleaner to clean IE - I did the same with a recent new version, but wanting to outwit it, unnecessarily uninstalled CCleaner and its registry entries with Eusing. Then installed CCleaner with its default settings (not smart enough to un-check boxes like 'wipe disc', and 'clean FFox'). Situation was worse last night, because having realized what I had done, I restored system -- and run out of disk space, when reverted !! Then my mind enlightened somehow, and started to restore the backup copies of the registry. At that point, it was no remedy. Ever saw your taskbar frozen and with alternate colors, and start menu frozen too? - it's better now. Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Just restore the backup copy that you certainly made before messing with > the registry. Ummm. You did... didn't you. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 04:10:50 2009 Received: (qmail 19533 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 02:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 02:10:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F19E1822B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B286E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E00134AC02B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:10:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EF134AC023 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:10:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 19 days 06:35:03 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-33-182.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.33.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n642AfQV023924 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:10:41 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4EBA20.4020300@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:10:40 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4D75DA.5050305@adinet.com.uy> <4A4E9173.3020505@adinet.com.uy> <4A4EA498.9070606@adinet.com.uy> <4A4EAB29.1070502@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4EAB29.1070502@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] typos, was: f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 04:10:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4eba2a300296107113666 sending twice, since first answer entered my Inbox instead of folder [OM] - sorry for the incovenience. ****************************************************** I did backup every registry 'fix'. Think that the mess was that I 'fixed' the registry with CCleaner _and_ with Eusing. I restored both backups, and then Kaspersky went wrong and CS3 lost its activation. Already fixed Kaspersky (that's why I'm here ... ). Finishing an important post-process now, then I'll uninstall CS3, clean its registry entries and reinstall. I went into this because my sister was having problems with IE, I told her to download CCleaner to clean IE - I did the same with a recent new version, but wanting to outwit it, unnecessarily uninstalled CCleaner and its registry entries with Eusing. Then installed CCleaner with its default settings (not smart enough to un-check boxes like 'wipe disc', and 'clean FFox'). Situation was worse last night, because having realized what I had done, I restored system -- and run out of disk space, when reverted !! Then my mind enlightened somehow, and started to restore the backup copies of the registry. At that point, it was no remedy. Ever saw your taskbar frozen and with alternate colors, and start menu frozen too? - it's better now. Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Just restore the backup copy that you certainly made before messing with > the registry. Ummm. You did... didn't you. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 05:16:18 2009 Received: (qmail 31510 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 03:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 03:16:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E769EE182C9 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4F2E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8694D34AC026 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:16:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8DD34AC023 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:16:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a4ec97532e; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:16:05 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.bf7.6093b5e7 (29678) for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:15:58 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:15:58 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 05:16:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ec982243016107113666 I was just notified today of the inclusion of two of my images in the Plastic Fantastic exhibit of the Texas Photographic Society. Mine are the first two of the 52 selected. Images made with a Diana + camera and HP 5. Silver Gelatin prints. Bill Barber _http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/_ (http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 05:21:06 2009 Received: (qmail 21730 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 03:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 03:21:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461FAE182E3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CCDE240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B55D34AC026 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:21:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7D534AC023 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:21:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:21:01 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n643KvfJ005143 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 03:21:00 GMT Message-ID: <500E0C106EE04962B380313D33F763AA@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:21:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 05:21:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ecaa292371560218263 Congratulations, Bill. Those are very good images. Thanks for the heads-up and the link. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography >I was just notified today of the inclusion of two of my images in the > Plastic Fantastic exhibit of the Texas Photographic Society. Mine are the > first two of the 52 selected. Images made with a Diana + camera and HP > 5. > Silver Gelatin prints. Bill Barber > > _http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/_ > (http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/) > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 05:27:56 2009 Received: (qmail 3300 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 03:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 03:27:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF0FE182C7 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D27E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E5B34AC026 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:27:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36A434AC023 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:27:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n643Rjlc016184 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:27:45 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c1a.5f91e8aa (65099) for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:27:44 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:28:09 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 05:27:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ecc3c273372013633067 Thank you. Glad you enjoyed them. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 05:47:56 2009 Received: (qmail 30463 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 03:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 03:47:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E056CE182B9 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A2CE240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5070634AC026 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:47:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D549B34AC023 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:47:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9206 invoked by uid 502); 4 Jul 2009 03:47:50 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jul 2009 03:47:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4ED0D7.9070509@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:47:35 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] GPS results X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 05:47:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ed0ec317731234514069 Ken Norton wrote: > Well, I was in Iowa City today and managed to score a Garmin eTrex Vista for a real song. It was a red-tag item at Scheels and I got it for under $70. No complaints here. Patience sometimes pays off. > Hey, terrific deal! Congrats. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 06:09:40 2009 Received: (qmail 18188 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 04:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 04:09:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC04E182E3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0CDE240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345B719F6EC for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:09:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC3019F6E1 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:09:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 19 days 08:33:52 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-33-182.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.33.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6449O3P030769 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 01:09:25 -0300 Message-ID: <4A4ED5F4.2070007@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:09:24 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 06:09:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ed60467785368819438 Beautiful. Barber_Bill_1 is really unreal, great idea. Does it resemble your face, somehow? Sort of a self-portrait? Congratulations, Fernando. NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > I was just notified today of the inclusion of two of my images in the > Plastic Fantastic exhibit of the Texas Photographic Society. Mine are the > first two of the 52 selected. Images made with a Diana + camera and HP 5. > Silver Gelatin prints. Bill Barber > > _http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/_ > (http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/) > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 06:20:50 2009 Received: (qmail 2087 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 04:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 04:20:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3019DE180B5 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9024E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98DF519F6F4 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:20:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4620E19F57E for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:20:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n644KUpa022660 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 00:20:30 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c35.5ea5087a (65099) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 00:20:25 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 00:20:50 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 06:20:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ed8a2195262517112723 In a message dated 7/3/2009 11:09:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy writes: Does it resemble your face, somehow? Sort of a self-portrait? Not me and I did have fun with this one. He is a really nice fellow and also a very talented artist. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 07:28:41 2009 Received: (qmail 31939 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 05:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 05:28:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BDCE182E6 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5592E240D3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA09C34AC026 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:28:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4666034AC023 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:28:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz11 with SMTP id 11so69034bwz.14 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:28:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.129 with SMTP id z1mr1990545bkq.67.1246685313652; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:28:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 00:28:33 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 42fe11b09600dfdd Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 07:28:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4ee889300964877110844 > > Not me and I did have fun with this one. He is a really nice fellow and > also a very talented artist. Bill Barber > Hmm. A photo from our Isle Royale workshop? I know I was looking a little rough by the end of the week. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 13:14:08 2009 Received: (qmail 17375 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 11:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 11:14:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BA1E182EC for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20EBE240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06C034AC02B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:14:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B33E34AC023 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:14:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (unknown [202.37.101.25]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.58.183] (183.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.183]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDA83DA65F for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 23:13:59 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:13:59 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090703-0, 03/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] ( OM ) Memories X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 13:14:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f3980289509730998309 Hi all, I noticed recently it is over 2 years since Graham Battison was able to post here. I wonder how he is. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 13:28:27 2009 Received: (qmail 1214 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 11:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 11:28:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CFEE182E8 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3908E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D383D34AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:28:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC7834AC023 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:28:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24012 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jul 2009 11:28:20 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090703-0, 07/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 13:28:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f3cdb64781220213263 Hey, congrats! Wow! And they even have bigger images now. Chuck Norcutt NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > I was just notified today of the inclusion of two of my images in the > Plastic Fantastic exhibit of the Texas Photographic Society. Mine are the > first two of the 52 selected. Images made with a Diana + camera and HP 5. > Silver Gelatin prints. Bill Barber > > _http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/_ > (http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 13:34:31 2009 Received: (qmail 16044 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 11:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 11:34:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634D1E1822E for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7411E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DB034AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3252B34AC023 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27758 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jul 2009 11:34:26 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jul 2009 11:34:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4F3E41.3080107@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:34:25 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090703-0, 07/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Memories X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 13:34:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f3e47186231234514069 Chris Barker seems to be among the more recently missing. I don't think he's posted in about a month. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > Hi all, > > I noticed recently it is over 2 years since Graham Battison was able to post > here. I wonder how he is. > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 13:45:31 2009 Received: (qmail 15365 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 11:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 11:45:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3963AE181AE for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9308BE240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBBC19E241 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:45:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A2719E1D0 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:45:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1962289fxm.14 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:45:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.123.210 with SMTP id q18mr1306765far.63.1246707924929; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:45:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4F3E41.3080107@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A4F3E41.3080107@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:45:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Memories X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 13:45:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f40db21007801554290 2009/7/4 Chuck Norcutt : > Chris Barker seems to be among the more recently missing. =A0I don't think > he's posted in about a month. > > Chuck Norcutt > 11 days ago, according to google mail. Too early to panic yet. -- = Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 14:14:37 2009 Received: (qmail 21613 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 12:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 12:14:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017BEE18307 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 05:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCFFE240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 05:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9FC19E2A7 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 05:14:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A7719E0DC for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 05:14:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 05:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n64CEP8G001381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:14:26 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A4F3E41.3080107@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4F3E41.3080107@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:14:24 +1000 Message-ID: <002101c9fca0$f8f5b930$eae12b90$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn8m2a0xa05887TSD6CjEyy6C6vfgABW5Xg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Memories X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 14:14:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f47ad160776107113666 > > Chris Barker seems to be among the more recently missing. I don't > think > he's posted in about a month. > The meeting with AndrewF might explain that ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 14:56:48 2009 Received: (qmail 23857 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 12:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 12:56:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB63E182C9 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 05:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55941E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 05:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A8134AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 05:56:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDA434AC023 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 05:56:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 05:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n64CueIw016908 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 08:56:40 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.cc7.57fed40f (30738) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 08:56:38 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 08:56:38 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 14:56:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f51908321413256596 In a message dated 7/4/2009 12:28:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: Hmm. A photo from our Isle Royale workshop? I know I was looking a little rough by the end of the week. We all were as I recall and that is what a few days of fun at the one ply palace will do to you. No, this was taken a couple of years later. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 15:36:55 2009 Received: (qmail 24632 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 13:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 13:36:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA32E182EF for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 06:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046F9E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 06:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59CA19E26A for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 06:36:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C8B19E0E6 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 06:36:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (frank@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out0.tiscali.nl (smtp-out0.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.175]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 06:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out0.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1MN5Q6-0002nm-Qn for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:36:46 +0200 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:36:40 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A4F3E41.3080107@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4F3E41.3080107@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Memories X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 15:36:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f5af7190244877110844 I remember him telling us (a few months back) he was planning his summer vacation in Scotland. Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:34:25 -0400, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >Chris Barker seems to be among the more recently missing. I don't think >he's posted in about a month. > >Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 15:41:19 2009 Received: (qmail 20805 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 13:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 13:41:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B82CE1817E for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 06:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F3CE240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 06:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B58834AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 06:41:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C48A34AC02B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 06:41:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f208.google.com (mail-bw0-f208.google.com [209.85.218.208]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 06:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz4 with SMTP id 4so44368bwz.14 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:41:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.135 with SMTP id i7mr2388431bkg.154.1246714873044; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:41:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 08:41:13 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0390042250105024 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 15:41:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f5bff151411258626592 > > We all were as I recall and that is what a few days of fun at the one ply > palace will do to you. No, this was taken a couple of years later. Bill > Barber > It was the hair that made me think it was me. I knew it wasn't Joel. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 16:02:59 2009 Received: (qmail 9263 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 14:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 14:02:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734CBE1822D for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB050E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD58234AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:02:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E717F34AC023 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:02:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-021.ctimail.com [61.93.57.21]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n64E2kN1000884 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:02:47 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n64E2k98009808 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:02:46 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <97D025825D9042F4AC5C2F8E1FECBB06@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:02:40 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 16:02:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f61138871946193717 Congratulations! Really creative images. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: >I was just notified today of the inclusion of two of my images in the > Plastic Fantastic exhibit of the Texas Photographic Society. Mine are the > first two of the 52 selected. Images made with a Diana + camera and HP > 5. > Silver Gelatin prints. Bill Barber > > _http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/_ > (http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 16:15:24 2009 Received: (qmail 17890 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 14:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 14:15:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E6DE182B3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F11E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0753C34AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:15:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651D834AC023 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:15:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f208.google.com (mail-bw0-f208.google.com [209.85.218.208]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz4 with SMTP id 4so57996bwz.14 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:15:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.129 with SMTP id z1mr2420606bkq.67.1246716917741; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:15:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:15:17 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e9a121810d8f5355 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 16:15:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f63fc308195683411216 >We all were as I recall and that is what a few days of fun at the one ply palace will do to you. Actually, I think that was me after a visit to the "One Ply Palace". The air in there would make your toes and hair curl. We'd come back from there looking pretty wild. A man can hold his breathe for only so long. There was a reason we drained the used Starbucks coffee into the forest. Man, we have to do that again. That was one fun trip. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 16:17:19 2009 Received: (qmail 25389 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 14:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 14:17:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD38E182B9 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1C6E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6410119E535 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:17:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F6419E52E for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:17:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imo-m11.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a4f646034f; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:17:04 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c96.42ca7459 (30738) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:17:07 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:17:07 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 16:17:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f646f261091234514069 In a message dated 7/4/2009 9:15:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: Man, we have to do that again. That was one fun trip. Yes, it was. Do you think our wives would let us do it again? Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 16:31:24 2009 Received: (qmail 2016 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 14:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 14:31:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64041E1822C for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED676E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969F619E585 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:31:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C06F19E583 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:31:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f218.google.com (mail-bw0-f218.google.com [209.85.218.218]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so587207bwz.7 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:31:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.57.18 with SMTP id a18mr2473114bkh.19.1246717876100; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:31:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:31:16 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 774b8c28f9a347d0 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 16:31:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f67bc177551073733319 > > Yes, it was. Do you think our wives would let us do it again? Bill > Barber > Yes, but I've been informed of what it's going to cost me! Seriously, I've already done the preparation work for a "Copper Country" workshop. The major advantage over Isle Royale is that we can get everywhere in Jeeps instead of having to hike our rumps off. However, there was a certain charm to it. If we do Isle Royale again, we're staying in the cabins where there are beds, showers and two-ply for every room--oh and electricity. A "Copper Country" workshop would include shoreline scenery similar to that on Isle Royale, dozens of miles of 'roid-stretching forest-road, waterfalls, defunct copper-mining operations and of course, the Porcupines. I was originally going to have this workshop this fall, but the economy really affected it and we decided to hold off for another year. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 16:35:30 2009 Received: (qmail 15771 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 14:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 14:35:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C7EE182E2 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6DBE240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88DE19E5A5 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:35:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5219319E598 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:35:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a4f68a8290; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:35:20 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.ce0.4df9ff03 (30738) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:35:17 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 16:35:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f68b2296681136683642 Sounds like fun. Everyone will be happy to hear (or not hear) that I now sleep with a device that prevents my snoring. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 16:37:25 2009 Received: (qmail 7205 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 14:37:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 14:37:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E6F5E182E4 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E60E240E0 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E8319E5AB for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:37:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4871819E598 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:37:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090704143719184.LDOU2041@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:37:19 +0000 Message-Id: <5D489D10-BBB6-4A25-95FD-C6D20ED38C22@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:37:18 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 16:37:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f692541001136683642 Hey! Those are GOOD! --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Jul 3, 2009, at 11:15 PM, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > I was just notified today of the inclusion of two of my images in the > Plastic Fantastic exhibit of the Texas Photographic Society. Mine > are the > first two of the 52 selected. Images made with a Diana + camera > and HP 5. > Silver Gelatin prints. Bill Barber > > _http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/_ > (http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 16:48:04 2009 Received: (qmail 9605 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 14:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 14:48:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289A6E182E8 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0905E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C872019E606 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:47:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF7F19E5EB for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:47:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from mta03.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KM900EJSIFWT890@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:47:56 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-222-217-66.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.222.217.66]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:47:56 -0300 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:47:56 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhUMAEIIT0oY3tlC/2dsb2JhbACBS4kug128AAmECQWDYg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,347,1243825200"; d="scan'208";a="529515877" X-EsetScannerBuild: 5199 References: Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 16:48:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f6ba4273461950411718 They have been widely advertised on the History channel in Canada ................. outward stretching sticky strips, like band aids, that adhere across the bridge of one's nose. I think it was Billy Mays who pitched the product ......... may his soul rest in peace. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography > Sounds like fun. Everyone will be happy to hear (or not hear) that I now > sleep with a device that prevents my snoring. Bill Barber > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4216 (20090704) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4216 (20090704) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 16:48:49 2009 Received: (qmail 2331 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 14:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 14:48:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896B4E182B5 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13525E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBF534AC02B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:48:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B038734AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:48:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rtomcala@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.179.109.126]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KM9005S9IH4BJ46@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:48:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A4F6BC8.3040803@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:48:40 -0400 From: Rand E User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 16:48:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f6bd1261841006886880 CPAP ? NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > Sounds like fun. Everyone will be happy to hear (or not hear) that I now > sleep with a device that prevents my snoring. Bill Barber > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 18:45:52 2009 Received: (qmail 26927 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 16:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 16:45:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C284FE182E4 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC689E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7DC19E854 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:45:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E23319E833 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:45:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Bsdo1c00A0FhH24A4slmdc; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:45:46 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Bsll1c0052Axmu48UsllRF; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:45:45 +0000 Message-ID: <20D2595B8B5642A7A5E9D7065CA5E5FC@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:45:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 18:45:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f873f208401006886880 Would that be Breathe Right strips? See: http://www.breatheright.com/Products_products.aspx?rotation=26599686&banner=201967671&placement={placement} Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography > They have been widely advertised on the History channel in Canada > ................. outward stretching sticky strips, like band aids, that > adhere across the bridge of one's nose. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 18:47:08 2009 Received: (qmail 618 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 16:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 16:47:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42757E182B1 for ; 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Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6E719E8D9 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:17:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A4F19E8D1 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:17:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7862) for ; 05 Jul 2009 03:17:49 +1000 Message-ID: <000.e8680400bd8e4f4a.014@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:17:49 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <904892.67832.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <904892.67832.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.27.1397) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Happy fourth of July X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 19:17:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f8ec6174172013633067 > Happy Fourth of July I could say why but then thats rather imaterial isnt it :o) That date was a USA thing wasnt it, I know it's hidden somewere in the distance recess's of this aging mind, or is it a UK think, I'm never quite sure at this time of morning when I dont really know why I turned oin this computer after getting home so early but then thats what happens when you get this tired isnt it. Is it existential ? Something based on the past in a far off world of history which leads one to wonder what could the 4th of July stand for in another 300 years time from now, and if it will mean the same thing to those that it means something to in this particular period of time to a select bunch of planet bound animals. OM content, I actually used my OM4Ti about 2 hours ago with T45 attached. Wonder how many months it will take me to scan the shots in. Night all and happy 4th of july for what ever that is or means to those that know. Cheers Ian Manners Sign in a Laundromat: AUTOMATIC WASHING MACHINES: PLEASE REMOVE ALL YOUR CLOTHES WHEN THE LIGHT GOES OUT -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 19:34:28 2009 Received: (qmail 378 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 17:34:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 17:34:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56745E18228 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6043E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E88219E91B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:34:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D8D19E8F0 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:34:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1305413anc.35 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:34:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.171.17 with SMTP id t17mr4611169ane.145.1246728862543; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:34:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:34:22 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907041034n6be46580o1a5971d60a96a6bd@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 19:34:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f92a4206541220213263 On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Not me and I did have fun with this one. =A0He is a really nice fellow = =A0and >> also a very talented artist. =A0Bill Barber >> > > > Hmm. A photo from our Isle Royale workshop? =A0I know I was looking a lit= tle > rough by the end of the week. > > AG That's what we all wanted to do with your hair by the end of the week. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 19:37:11 2009 Received: (qmail 20453 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 17:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 17:37:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED5FE182E4 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1251DE240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9ABE34AC02B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:37:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB0A34AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:37:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f183.google.com (mail-yx0-f183.google.com [209.85.210.183]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe13 with SMTP id 13so4498013yxe.22 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:37:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.32.13 with SMTP id f13mr4731631anf.36.1246729024911; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:37:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:37:04 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907041037i2d5cd490jf660faf89443198@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 19:37:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f9347121807801554290 On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:15 PM, wrote: > I was just notified today of the inclusion of two of my images in the > Plastic Fantastic exhibit of the Texas Photographic Society. =A0Mine are = the > first two of the 52 selected. =A0Images made with a Diana + camera and = =A0HP 5. > Silver Gelatin prints. =A0Bill Barber > > =A0_http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/_ > (http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/) Excellent images among any excellent collection! The second of your images is very amusing and the background is especially interesting and luminous. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 19:44:25 2009 Received: (qmail 1183 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 17:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 17:44:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADC4E181B1 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09738E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA32334AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:44:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1524A34AC023 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:44:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22460 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jul 2009 17:44:17 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090703-0, 07/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Happy fourth of July X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 19:44:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4f94f9278051234514069 Chuck Norcutt Ian Manners wrote: >> Happy Fourth of July > > I could say why but then thats rather imaterial isnt it :o) > > That date was a USA thing wasnt it, I know it's hidden somewere in > the distance recess's of this aging mind, or is it a UK think, I'm never > quite sure at this time of morning when I dont really know why I turned > oin this computer after getting home so early but then thats what happens > when you get this tired isnt it. Is it existential ? > > Something based on the past in a far off world of history which leads one > to wonder what could the 4th of July stand for in another 300 years time > from now, and if it will mean the same thing to those that it means > something to in this particular period of time to a select bunch of > planet bound animals. > > OM content, I actually used my OM4Ti about 2 hours ago with > T45 attached. Wonder how many months it will take me to scan > the shots in. > > Night all and happy 4th of july for what ever that is or means to > those that know. > > Cheers > Ian Manners > Sign in a Laundromat: AUTOMATIC WASHING MACHINES: PLEASE REMOVE ALL YOUR CLOTHES WHEN THE LIGHT GOES OUT -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 20:42:07 2009 Received: (qmail 19586 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 18:42:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 18:42:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A11E182EB for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6501E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730DF19EA78 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:42:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267B419E8D1 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:41:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp05.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp05.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 159.red-83-38-119.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.38.119.159]:59322 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay05.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.45]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1MNABK-000699-J4 (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:41:52 +0000 Message-Id: <178DD7B9-F302-4B43-98BA-CE0AC04FB490@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion , Picture a Day discussion group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:41:49 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Another beach panorama, this time with the rights bits from Manfrotto X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 20:42:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4fa27f183567801554290 Making the panos is becoming easier and more pleasant now that I have all the needed bits and pieces from Manfrotto. This one is from El Campello beach earlier this afternoon: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/belgiangator/panorama/El_Campello_2.jpg.html This one is around 180 degrees, made from 12 images with the 35mm Summarit. Click on the little icon below the image to see it big and all 5000 pixels across :-) Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 21:23:19 2009 Received: (qmail 18695 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 19:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 19:23:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F13E181A4 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30911E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0595A19EB9A for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:23:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C8C19EB8D for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:23:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19347 invoked by uid 502); 4 Jul 2009 19:23:11 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jul 2009 19:23:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4FAC14.8010208@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:23:00 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Memories X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 21:23:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4fac2768993900897491 Brian Swale wrote: > Hi all, > > I noticed recently it is over 2 years since Graham Battison was able to post here. I wonder how he is. > You may be confounding two separate things. 1. His site was down for some time months ago and unpleasant accusations against him or someone with the same name were made on the internet. The site did reappear and he was posting images on it. 2. Before all that happened, he stopped shooting with OMs, with many images on his site coming from Leica, as before, and the rest from his Panasonic FZ50 (with Leica lens). As has always been the case, he only posted links here to OM shots, so he hasn't posted links here for a long time, even though he has been posting images on his site. So - the lack of posts here doesn't really say anything. On the other hand, his pace of posting images to his site slowed in 2008 and has either stopped or slowed even more in 2009, with only 33 posted so far. The EXIF data that would show when they were taken is stripped out, so I can't tell when the last were taken. Still, the last few include sunny skies and a few fluffy white clouds. So I assume they are relatively recent, based on descriptions here of weather in England this year. Looks like summer from this distance. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 21:47:17 2009 Received: (qmail 5623 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 19:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 19:47:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09419E182E1 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E03CE240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097C834AC02B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:47:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF51234AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:47:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-m07.mx.aol.com (imr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a4fb1a75; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:46:47 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c91.4311d40d (33856) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:47:02 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:47:02 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 21:47:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4fb1c5204731342116753 In a message dated 7/4/2009 9:48:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, OM4T@eastlink.ca writes: They have been widely advertised on the History channel in Canada ................. outward stretching sticky strips, like band aids, that adhere across the bridge of one's nose. No, this thing is more like a boxers mouth piece and cost about $550. I tried the other things and woke up with one of my eyes taped shut. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 21:49:29 2009 Received: (qmail 32545 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 19:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 19:49:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A39E182E1 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28980E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155C034AC02D for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:49:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6D234AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:49:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-d06.mx.aol.com (imr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.159.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a4fb21dbf; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:48:45 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.d2b.513921ff (33856) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:48:43 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:48:43 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 21:49:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4fb249129101220213263 In a message dated 7/4/2009 12:37:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jfwilcox@gmail.com writes: The second of your images is very amusing and the background is especially interesting and luminous. Yes, the background in that one is pretty spectacular, IMHO. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 22:39:10 2009 Received: (qmail 4201 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 20:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 20:39:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4D3E182C8 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEB7E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15A319ED4E for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:39:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EEE19ED44 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:39:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f208.google.com (mail-bw0-f208.google.com [209.85.218.208]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz4 with SMTP id 4so203884bwz.14 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:39:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.78.131 with SMTP id l3mr2722998bkk.186.1246739943559; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:39:03 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4e3e597842728c8e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] The Revolt X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 22:39:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4fbdee313251234514069 It has begun. There is a revolt in the camera bags. The digitals are outnumbered and it isn't looking good for them right now. The OM-2S has flexed some muscles and has stated the case for inclusion. If one is that insistent, well... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 4 23:50:14 2009 Received: (qmail 3165 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 21:50:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 21:50:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BFCE182B3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F235DE240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FD934AC02B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:50:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B1134AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:50:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imo-m22.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a4fce8d57; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:50:05 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c97.46995ad7 (33856) for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:50:01 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:50:01 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] The Revolt X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 4 23:50:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4fce96211501234514069 In a message dated 7/4/2009 3:39:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: It has begun. There is a revolt in the camera bags. The digitals are outnumbered and it isn't looking good for them right now. The OM-2S has flexed some muscles and has stated the case for inclusion. If one is that insistent, well... Surrender! Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 00:11:26 2009 Received: (qmail 4029 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 22:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 22:11:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341AFE18229 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE49E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC0234AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:11:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3653234AC023 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:11:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090704221119238.SBEK2041@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:11:19 +0000 Message-Id: <81589EBC-04A3-4C7C-AC27-32700E9BFDAE@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <178DD7B9-F302-4B43-98BA-CE0AC04FB490@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:11:18 -0400 References: <178DD7B9-F302-4B43-98BA-CE0AC04FB490@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another beach panorama, this time with the rights bits from Manfrotto X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 00:11:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4fd38e276981950411718 I think this is my favorite so far. One of these days I'm going to have to get after some panos and see what happens. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 4, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Making the panos is becoming easier and more pleasant now that I have > all the needed bits and pieces from Manfrotto. This one is from El > Campello beach earlier this afternoon: > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/belgiangator/panorama/El_Campello_2.jpg.html > > This one is around 180 degrees, made from 12 images with the 35mm > Summarit. > > Click on the little icon below the image to see it big and all 5000 > pixels across :-) > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 00:16:56 2009 Received: (qmail 32661 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 22:16:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 22:16:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D827FE182EA for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5D4E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC0B34AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:16:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C89F34AC023 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:16:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21452 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jul 2009 22:16:46 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jul 2009 22:16:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4FD4CD.3060902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:16:45 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090704-0, 07/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Gettin' Ready for the Fireworks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 00:16:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4fd4d899281006886880 My wife and I took a stroll down to the local park where the vendors are setting up for tonight's July 4th fireworks display. For non-US residents especially, it shows a little bit of 4th of July Americana... as practiced in upstate New York at least... but without the fireworks which are yet to happen. But we will watch them from our front yard tonight while sitting in our lawn chairs. :-) The grassy area shown is normally used for baseball and soccer games and, on the far side of the field (but not shown) one of the local area's six famous Alan Herschel carousels. Food shacks shown include "spiedies" (grilled meat marinated in Italian spices), sausages, lemonade, funnel cakes (batter deep fried in oil and covered with powdered sugar... in the left hand of the guy with the backpack standing in front of the "lemon") and southern style barbecued brisket and pulled pork. Also shown: A beautiful senorita with red hair (well, she will be in about 10 years), sixties rock-n-roll for us sixties type folks and a Blue Angel formation taken from too far for a 135mm lens (since the performance was actually being given about 6-8 miles away) Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 00:17:39 2009 Received: (qmail 3497 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 22:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 22:17:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE553E182B7 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20619E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12ECB34AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:17:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BC034AC023 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:17:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090704221732805.YMAY24657@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:17:32 +0000 Message-Id: <028A050B-B94E-4D50-9C89-72353020354E@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A4FAC14.8010208@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:17:31 -0400 References: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A4FAC14.8010208@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Memories X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 00:17:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4fd50366419752976205 I started at the link you posted and worked my way backwards. GeeBee's got some truly outstanding stuff posted there. I don't recall him every posting as much wildlife as he has up now. Now his page is bookmarked so I can keep up. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 4, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Moose wrote: > Brian Swale wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I noticed recently it is over 2 years since Graham Battison was >> able to post here. I wonder how he is. >> > > You may be confounding two separate things. > > 1. His site was down for some time months ago and unpleasant > accusations > against him or someone with the same name were made on the internet. > The > site did reappear and he was posting images on it. > > 2. Before all that happened, he stopped shooting with OMs, with many > images on his site coming from Leica, as before, and the rest from his > Panasonic FZ50 (with Leica lens). As has always been the case, he only > posted links here to OM shots, so he hasn't posted links here for a > long > time, even though he has been posting images on his site. > > So - the lack of posts here doesn't really say anything. On the other > hand, his pace of posting images to his site slowed in 2008 and has > either stopped or slowed even more in 2009, with only 33 posted so > far. > The EXIF data that would show when they were taken is stripped out, > so I > can't tell when the last were taken. > > Still, the last few include sunny skies and a few fluffy white clouds. > > So I assume they are relatively recent, based on descriptions here of > weather in England this year. Looks like summer from this distance. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 00:22:52 2009 Received: (qmail 1413 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 22:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 22:22:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83351E182C9 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659BCE240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4700519EFBA for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721CA19EF92 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:22:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24819 invoked by uid 504); 4 Jul 2009 22:22:45 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Jul 2009 22:22:45 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4FD634.4020506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:22:44 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <178DD7B9-F302-4B43-98BA-CE0AC04FB490@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <178DD7B9-F302-4B43-98BA-CE0AC04FB490@frozenlight.eu> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090704-0, 07/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another beach panorama, this time with the rights bits from Manfrotto X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 00:22:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4fd63c39351234514069 Thanks. I now have a much better idea of what it looks like. I think scrolling across the big image helps to dismiss the distortion by imagining you're turning your head. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Making the panos is becoming easier and more pleasant now that I have > all the needed bits and pieces from Manfrotto. This one is from El > Campello beach earlier this afternoon: > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/belgiangator/panorama/El_Campello_2.jpg.html > > This one is around 180 degrees, made from 12 images with the 35mm > Summarit. > > Click on the little icon below the image to see it big and all 5000 > pixels across :-) > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 01:45:36 2009 Received: (qmail 28599 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jul 2009 23:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 23:45:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD1FE182E8 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 16:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E27E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 16:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20B419F0E0 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 16:45:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2282B19F0DD for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 16:45:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (unknown [202.37.101.25]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 16:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.58.206] (206.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.206]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB973DA126 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:45:23 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:45:22 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A509252.6031.AC58E9@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090704-0, 04/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] ( OM ) Pen F cameras and images X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 01:45:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a4fe9a049711612113968 Hi all, A note to record two books I have which contain almost 100% Pen F photos; and they are good. "Know your camera", author John Johns. Reed 1978 Mostly B&W "Native Orchids of New Zealand", author John Johns. Reed 1983 Most in colour, but many B&W Both can be found by http://www.bookfinder.com/ Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 03:54:17 2009 Received: (qmail 24451 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 01:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 01:54:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA34E182DA for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13AF0E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB9534AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE52B34AC02B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (atk@dippy.info whitelisted) Received: from gnosis.slac.com (gnosis.slac.com [207.241.238.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc1.org (c-71-202-150-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.150.244]) by gnosis.slac.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 93BB182327 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:53:43 -0700 From: atk@dippy.info User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090608) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 03:54:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5007c971331234514069 I have an E-3 approx 1.5 years old but lightly used (less than 1000 pictures) for sale. I'm asking $700 (prefer to limit sale to USA). I'm currently located in San Mateo (near san fran). You are welcome to look at the camera and take sample pictures if you are in this area. I am willing to bundle the E-3 with 12-60 and 50-200 (non-swd) for $1900. I will not consider selling the lenses prior to the body. Thanks, Alan -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 04:12:41 2009 Received: (qmail 1472 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 02:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 02:12:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E93E182E0 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D24AE240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361C434AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:12:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A3634AC023 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:12:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ed.sawyer@unh.edu whitelisted) Received: from exchange.unh.edu (mako.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skate.ad.unh.edu ([169.254.1.16]) by mako.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.5]) with mapi; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:12:33 -0400 From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: "olympus@thomasclausen.net" Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:09:33 -0400 Thread-Topic: film for lens testing Thread-Index: AQHJ/RYN9MbbxdT6+UuCwVIQJGdADg== Message-ID: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D9916D914A81D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens testing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 04:12:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a500c19242652013633067 For B&W film, search out some Tech pan. As you know it's discontinued but it's out there. It came in bulk rolls, 150ft which is about 30 rolls of 36exp give or take. You could also use one of the more modern microfilms like gigabit/copex/imagelink, but I haven't tried those. I don't think they come in bulk rolls and they also require their own developer which adds to the cost. Tech pan certainly would work best in technidol but is still usable in other developers. for color neg, I'd use Ektar 25 if you can find enough of it , or Ektar 100 (the current modern version) if ektar 25 is too hard to find in quantity. for color slide, K25 or Velvia 50. -Ed -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 04:33:30 2009 Received: (qmail 27142 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 02:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 02:33:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052DEEDC027 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791C7E240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591BF19F30C for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:33:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C228B19F2F2 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:33:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22148 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jul 2009 02:33:21 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jul 2009 02:33:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5010F0.7060504@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:33:20 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D9916D914A81D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> In-Reply-To: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D9916D914A81D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090704-0, 07/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens testing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 04:33:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5010fa138521234514069 But is there any sense to use a film with higher resolution than what you're going to shoot with after the test? Chuck Norcutt Sawyer, Edward wrote: > For B&W film, search out some Tech pan. As you know it's discontinued > but it's out there. It came in bulk rolls, 150ft which is about 30 > rolls of 36exp give or take. You could also use one of the more > modern microfilms like gigabit/copex/imagelink, but I haven't tried > those. I don't think they come in bulk rolls and they also require > their own developer which adds to the cost. Tech pan certainly would > work best in technidol but is still usable in other developers. > > for color neg, I'd use Ektar 25 if you can find enough of it , or > Ektar 100 (the current modern version) if ektar 25 is too hard to > find in quantity. > > for color slide, K25 or Velvia 50. > > -Ed -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 05:50:55 2009 Received: (qmail 15064 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 03:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 03:50:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E4DE182E2 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790AAE240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2CD34AC026 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:50:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C7934AC023 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:50:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7560 invoked by uid 502); 5 Jul 2009 03:50:45 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jul 2009 03:50:45 -0000 Message-ID: <4A502310.5060804@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:50:40 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A4FAC14.8010208@gmail.com> <028A050B-B94E-4D50-9C89-72353020354E@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <028A050B-B94E-4D50-9C89-72353020354E@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Memories X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 05:50:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50231f164201136683642 Bob Whitmire wrote: > I started at the link you posted and worked my way backwards. GeeBee's got some truly outstanding stuff posted there. I don't recall him every posting as much wildlife as he has up now. > I think the superzoom has made that difference. 35-420/2.8-3.7 is quite a different thing than what he uses on the film bodies. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 07:02:05 2009 Received: (qmail 18673 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 05:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 05:02:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809B4E1817E for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31DAE240D3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A4A19F673 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:01:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB06019F692 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 07:02:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5033cd323181234514069 > > But is there any sense to use a film with higher resolution than what > you're going to shoot with after the test? > Absolutely! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 12:52:07 2009 Received: (qmail 24367 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 10:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 10:52:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7C3E181B2 for ; 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Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:52:00 +0000 Message-Id: <425C66C3-CDBA-4587-8C2B-87511D374EA5@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A502310.5060804@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 06:51:59 -0400 References: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A4FAC14.8010208@gmail.com> <028A050B-B94E-4D50-9C89-72353020354E@roadrunner.com> <4A502310.5060804@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Memories X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 12:52:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5085d7161736107113666 Pretty good quality, at least on web-sized images. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Jul 4, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Moose wrote: > I think the superzoom has made that difference. 35-420/2.8-3.7 is > quite > a different thing than what he uses on the film bodies. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 13:12:10 2009 Received: (qmail 22881 invoked by uid 0); 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Sun, 5 Jul 2009 04:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n65BC0d2007869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:12:01 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A4FAC14.8010208@gmail.com> <028A050B-B94E-4D50-9C89-72353020354E@roadrunner.com> <4A502310.5060804@gmail.com> <425C66C3-CDBA-4587-8C2B-87511D374EA5@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <425C66C3-CDBA-4587-8C2B-87511D374EA5@roadrunner.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:11:57 +1000 Message-ID: <000b01c9fd61$69c0fc40$3d42f4c0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn9XqOVDyDiPqLlTRKJ0NxHhTiLTwAAnyLg Content-Language: en-au x-cr-puzzleid: {EE89D3C6-5321-4E58-B2E3-CBCCD2117705} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AK9j A8lm BANi CZxS Eu5h FcEF FgDp GEj/ HWMJ H4zX I6Dt JXAD JdkM Kd6M LfPV LswM; 1; bwBsAHkAbQBwAHUAcwBAAHQAaABvAG0AYQBzAGMAbABhAHUAcwBlAG4ALgBuAGUAdAA=; Sosha1_v1; 7; {EE89D3C6-5321-4E58-B2E3-CBCCD2117705}; dwBhAHkAbgBlAGgAYQByAHIAaQBkAGcAZQBAAG8AcAB0AHUAcwBuAGUAdAAuAGMAbwBtAC4AYQB1AA==; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:11:55 GMT; QQByAGUAIAB3AGgAaQB0AGUAIABjAGEAbQBlAHIAYQBzACAAYgBlAGMAbwBtAGkAbgBnACAAZgBhAHMAaABpAG8AbgBhAGIAbABlACAAPwA= Subject: [OM] Are white cameras becoming fashionable ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 13:12:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a508a8a9342517112723 http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/img003-a.jpg Nathan, you'll need to upgrade (should attract more senoritas) ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 13:43:28 2009 Received: (qmail 21160 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 11:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 11:43:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0CCE182DC for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 04:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF9CE240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 04:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0F619E117 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 04:43:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC04719E0FF for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 04:43:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (frank@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 04:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1MNQ7s-0001Q1-IB for ; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:43:20 +0200 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:43:12 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A4FAC14.8010208@gmail.com> <028A050B-B94E-4D50-9C89-72353020354E@roadrunner.com> <4A502310.5060804@gmail.com> <425C66C3-CDBA-4587-8C2B-87511D374EA5@roadrunner.com> <000b01c9fd61$69c0fc40$3d42f4c0$@com.au> In-Reply-To: <000b01c9fd61$69c0fc40$3d42f4c0$@com.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Are white cameras becoming fashionable ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 13:43:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5091e0281807801554290 Ther's another choice: http://www.olympus-global.com/en/corc/history/camera/popup/zoom_ecru.cfm?message=1 This camera did attract much attention indeed at the time (early nineties). Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL. On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:11:57 +1000, Wayne Harridge wrote: >http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/img003-a.jpg > >Nathan, you'll need to upgrade (should attract more senoritas) ! > >...Wayne > >Wayne Harridge >http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 14:19:23 2009 Received: (qmail 4129 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 12:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 12:19:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F58FE182E3 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45356E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CDC19E1FA for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:19:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEC419E216 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:19:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n65CJCuw000601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:19:13 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A4FAC14.8010208@gmail.com> <028A050B-B94E-4D50-9C89-72353020354E@roadrunner.com> <4A502310.5060804@gmail.com> <425C66C3-CDBA-4587-8C2B-87511D374EA5@roadrunner.com> <000b01c9fd61$69c0fc40$3d42f4c0$@com.au> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:19:08 +1000 Message-ID: <000c01c9fd6a$cd24c6f0$676e54d0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn9ZdExogmGPjRFTWeoFu1ckF8LnQABLNQw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Are white cameras becoming fashionable ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 14:19:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a509a4b74511073733319 > > Ther's another choice: > > http://www.olympus- > global.com/en/corc/history/camera/popup/zoom_ecru.cfm?message=1 > > This camera did attract much attention indeed at the time (early > nineties). > Thanks for reminding me Frank, and if I remember correctly there were a few white covered Nikon F2s especially put together for NASA. Did somebody say that white was the new black ? ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 14:21:40 2009 Received: (qmail 12072 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 12:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 12:21:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11397E18229 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D2FE240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B38119E21B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:21:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF64819E217 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:21:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090705122133560.SLWD19903@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:21:33 +0000 Message-Id: <38B25B5B-2F7B-48F6-8F8C-0D239D41581F@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:21:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 14:21:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a509ad433865368819438 Every year my village of Round Pond holds a Fourth of July parade. There is no organization, no one really in charge, and no limits save taste on entries. In the past few years, however, since an article in Down East magazine and a huge feature two years ago in the New York Times, many more people have flooded our little village on the Fourth, and now, while anarchy continues to more or less reign, we do get a lot of "no parking this side" signs and the local sheriff's department sends down a few deputies. Still and all, it's quite a day. www.bwp33.com The home page picture is from the parade, and there's a whole page dedicated to photos. This is not my usual cuppa, and the sun actually showed itself for the first time in more than a month about twenty minutes before the parade started. Gonna have to get me a fancy fill flash, for sure. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 14:49:23 2009 Received: (qmail 12502 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 12:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 12:49:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94E1E182C9 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD68E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596AA19E2B3 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:49:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D344919E288 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:49:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (unknown [202.37.101.25]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 05:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.147] (147.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.147]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AA73D9EFC for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 00:49:14 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:49:14 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A514A0A.3684.37A0120@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Memories X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 14:49:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50a153199541950411718 Thanks to Moose for tracking down Gee Bee. Quite some time ago I had concluded that some other entity had taken over his site, and presumed that he was unable to maintain it. I'm glad to see that is not the case. He did say about the time that he vanished, that he was beginning to photograph feathered birds, and was finding it frustratingly difficult. That could explain the low number of posted shots. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 15:33:03 2009 Received: (qmail 21371 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 13:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 13:33:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF7BE180CA for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 06:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F02E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 06:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1076A34AC026 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 06:32:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B597834AC023 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 06:32:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 06:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a50ab8833f; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:32:56 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c41.5f8bd6c5 (32913) for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:32:53 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:32:52 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 15:33:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50ab8f240931234514069 In a message dated 7/5/2009 7:21:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time, bwhitmire@roadrunner.com writes: Gonna have to get me a fancy fill flash, for sure. Oh heck, just keep having a good time. Looks like everyone had a chance to get out and have a good time. At 100 degrees we pretty much stayed inside on the 4th and worshiped the great freon god. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 15:44:20 2009 Received: (qmail 31105 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 13:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 13:44:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E04E182E7 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 06:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5323E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 06:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7FF34AC02D for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 06:44:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565AD34AC026 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 06:44:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 06:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n65DiF2U026101 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:44:15 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.d23.4518bee4 (32913) for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:44:12 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:44:12 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Is this what excellent - looks like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 15:44:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50ae3428751073733319 270417567988 Nice that there are some images. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 16:06:14 2009 Received: (qmail 2312 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 14:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 14:06:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38C3E182B7 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABC6E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88B419E4C9 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:06:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E17619E44A for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:06:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20235 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jul 2009 14:06:05 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090704-0, 07/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 16:06:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50b356185752439112457 Nice stuff despite no fill flash. But don't go buy a fancy flash for fill. TTL fill flash for digital just doesn't work very well. If you've gotta have automation normal flash controlled auto mode works better and more consistently. Use a T-32, a Vivitar 285HV, a Sunpak 383 or 422 or any of a bunch of low cost (old) flash units that provide auto modes. Most (except the T-32) also provide good manual flash power level control as well. See: Dr. Flash Bob Whitmire wrote: > Every year my village of Round Pond holds a Fourth of July parade. > There is no organization, no one really in charge, and no limits save > taste on entries. In the past few years, however, since an article in > Down East magazine and a huge feature two years ago in the New York > Times, many more people have flooded our little village on the Fourth, > and now, while anarchy continues to more or less reign, we do get a > lot of "no parking this side" signs and the local sheriff's department > sends down a few deputies. Still and all, it's quite a day. > > www.bwp33.com > > The home page picture is from the parade, and there's a whole page > dedicated to photos. This is not my usual cuppa, and the sun actually > showed itself for the first time in more than a month about twenty > minutes before the parade started. Gonna have to get me a fancy fill > flash, for sure. > > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 16:38:22 2009 Received: (qmail 23525 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 14:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 14:38:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35312E182AF for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7584E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB7834AC026 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:38:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAE034AC02B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:38:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so2505716fxm.14 for ; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:38:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.56.4 with SMTP id w4mr3555791bkg.25.1246804694688; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:38:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:38:14 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 09592e7a30b65836 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Is this what excellent - looks like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 16:38:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50bade159951073733319 Uh, yeah. My OM-2S looks better than that one. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 16:52:37 2009 Received: (qmail 12847 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 14:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 14:52:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E31E182B3 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C6CE240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E693F34AC02B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:52:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F50B34AC023 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:52:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a50be2e1ba; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:52:30 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.d38.5023d88c (32913) for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:52:22 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:52:22 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Is this what excellent - looks like? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 16:52:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50be3526896789618724 In a message dated 7/5/2009 9:38:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: Uh, yeah. My OM-2S looks better than that one. Must be in mint condition, Wait, I've seen it. Never mind. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 17:23:07 2009 Received: (qmail 6274 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 15:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 15:23:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F75E182CA for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968A0E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AB819E67C for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A94A19E013 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:23:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jan@bytesmiths.com whitelisted) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CFNW1c0050vyq2s53FP1lz; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:23:01 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.8] ([76.115.108.15]) by OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CFNv1c0030KxzLk3RFP1Z0; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:23:01 +0000 Message-Id: <7EC8CEF7-8230-4E26-B732-6E66F28F354D@Bytesmiths.com> From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:22:48 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Happy fourth of July X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 17:23:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50c55b241941357919056 > From: AS > > Happy Fourth of July Sorry, I celebrated on the First. :::: Monoculture is where the logic of nature collides with the logic of economics; which logic will ultimately prevail can never be in doubt. -- Michael Pollan :::: :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 17:28:29 2009 Received: (qmail 31024 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 15:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CFBX1c0020FhH24A1FUQBk; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:28:24 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.8] ([76.115.108.15]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CFUJ1c0070KxzLk8UFUPP5; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:28:24 +0000 Message-Id: From: Jan Steinman To: olympus@thomasclausen.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:28:11 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens testing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 17:28:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50c69d63859752976205 > From: Chuck Norcutt > > But is there any sense to use a film with higher resolution than what > you're going to shoot with after the test? I believe the system resolution is equal to the inverse of the sum of the inverses of each component. If that is true, then yes, it does make sense. :::: Monoculture is where the logic of nature collides with the logic of economics; which logic will ultimately prevail can never be in doubt. -- Michael Pollan :::: :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality http://www.EcoReality.org :::: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 17:57:35 2009 Received: (qmail 29258 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 15:57:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 15:57:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66565E181A4 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F240E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6727E34AC02C for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:57:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F6734AC02B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:57:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:57:27 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n65FvOkV028873 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:57:26 GMT Message-ID: <14984A3935FB439CB3E2F6F8F4DAC760@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <38B25B5B-2F7B-48F6-8F8C-0D239D41581F@roadrunner.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:57:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 17:57:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50cd6f27161234514069 Quite a variety! Thanks for sharing. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Whitmire" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 7:21 AM Subject: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 18:06:01 2009 Received: (qmail 1521 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 16:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 16:05:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DE6E182C8 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E76E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6090834AC02C for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:05:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C3434AC023 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:05:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090705160553632.UJBE19322@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:05:53 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A50B34B.4010300@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:05:52 -0400 References: <38B25B5B-2F7B-48F6-8F8C-0D239D41581F@roadrunner.com> <4A50B34B.4010300@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 18:06:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50cf6950491342116753 Thanx! Informative. And may make things, ah, inexpensive. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Nice stuff despite no fill flash. But don't go buy a fancy flash for > fill. TTL fill flash for digital just doesn't work very well. If > you've gotta have automation normal flash controlled auto mode works > better and more consistently. Use a T-32, a Vivitar 285HV, a Sunpak > 383 > or 422 or any of a bunch of low cost (old) flash units that provide > auto > modes. Most (except the T-32) also provide good manual flash power > level control as well. See: > > > > Dr. Flash > > > Bob Whitmire wrote: >> Every year my village of Round Pond holds a Fourth of July parade. >> There is no organization, no one really in charge, and no limits save >> taste on entries. In the past few years, however, since an article in >> Down East magazine and a huge feature two years ago in the New York >> Times, many more people have flooded our little village on the >> Fourth, >> and now, while anarchy continues to more or less reign, we do get a >> lot of "no parking this side" signs and the local sheriff's >> department >> sends down a few deputies. Still and all, it's quite a day. >> >> www.bwp33.com >> >> The home page picture is from the parade, and there's a whole page >> dedicated to photos. This is not my usual cuppa, and the sun actually >> showed itself for the first time in more than a month about twenty >> minutes before the parade started. Gonna have to get me a fancy fill >> flash, for sure. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 18:12:01 2009 Received: (qmail 24835 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 16:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 16:11:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD8AE182B7 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD30CE240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB75F34AC02B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:11:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C8F34AC026 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:11:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n65GBjWh016229 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 00:11:46 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <3B94670E0ADA4E80BC699735AD2E5B74@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <38B25B5B-2F7B-48F6-8F8C-0D239D41581F@roadrunner.com> <4A50B34B.4010300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 00:11:30 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 18:12:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50d0d182789730998309 I think you may also need a flash with FP capability otherwise you are limited to 1/200 or 1/250 flash sync. speed. The new digital TTL flash like FL-50 is quite accurate for fill-in with E-1. In case adjustment is necessary just dial in "flash" compensation in 1/3 stop increament on the back of the flash directly (no button required), it is independent of the ambient exposure, very convenient. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Nice stuff despite no fill flash. But don't go buy a fancy flash for > fill. TTL fill flash for digital just doesn't work very well. If > you've gotta have automation normal flash controlled auto mode works > better and more consistently. Use a T-32, a Vivitar 285HV, a Sunpak 383 > or 422 or any of a bunch of low cost (old) flash units that provide auto > modes. Most (except the T-32) also provide good manual flash power > level control as well. See: > > > Dr. Flash > > > Bob Whitmire wrote: >> Every year my village of Round Pond holds a Fourth of July parade. >> There is no organization, no one really in charge, and no limits save >> taste on entries. In the past few years, however, since an article in >> Down East magazine and a huge feature two years ago in the New York >> Times, many more people have flooded our little village on the Fourth, >> and now, while anarchy continues to more or less reign, we do get a >> lot of "no parking this side" signs and the local sheriff's department >> sends down a few deputies. Still and all, it's quite a day. >> >> www.bwp33.com >> >> The home page picture is from the parade, and there's a whole page >> dedicated to photos. This is not my usual cuppa, and the sun actually >> showed itself for the first time in more than a month about twenty >> minutes before the parade started. Gonna have to get me a fancy fill >> flash, for sure. >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 18:14:09 2009 Received: (qmail 11314 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 16:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 16:14:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1590BE182EA for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FB8E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE2834AC02B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:14:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875EE34AC026 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:14:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jgettis81@earthlink.net whitelisted) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.175.107.65] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MNULr-0001YP-ED for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:14:03 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200970516144600@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:14:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da9409b1387f4126a164daf4e511c0a5e1f62350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.107.65 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] ttl cord for E-series X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 18:14:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50d151242113900897491 I am considering purchasing one of the new vivitar 383 ttls flashes and am looking at a hot shoe to hotshoe cord so I can put it on my flash bracket. However after reading the reviews on Adorama's site of the Olympus version I am thinking that I may need to find a differnent one as most of the reviews are not good. Is there any other manufactors cord that will work with the Olympus cameras? Thanks John jgettis81@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 19:21:55 2009 Received: (qmail 28684 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 17:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 17:21:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD06FE182E7 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46371E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0EE34AC02B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:21:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867D734AC023 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KMB00BARK87E0F0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:21:43 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-11-146.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.11.146]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:21:43 -0300 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:21:43 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0MABd+UEoYiguS/2dsb2JhbACBSokuvj4JhAkFgTqCKA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,352,1243825200"; d="scan'208";a="530021685" X-EsetScannerBuild: 5203 References: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A4FAC14.8010208@gmail.com> <028A050B-B94E-4D50-9C89-72353020354E@roadrunner.com> <4A502310.5060804@gmail.com> <425C66C3-CDBA-4587-8C2B-87511D374EA5@roadrunner.com> <000b01c9fd61$69c0fc40$3d42f4c0$@com.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Are white cameras becoming fashionable ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 19:21:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50e133138221234514069 It'll look worn and tatty with just a very few minor scratches ................. best to keep with the all black version. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: [OM] Are white cameras becoming fashionable ? > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/img003-a.jpg > > Nathan, you'll need to upgrade (should attract more senoritas) ! > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4218 (20090705) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4218 (20090705) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 20:00:35 2009 Received: (qmail 27959 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 18:00:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 18:00:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4B6E182E6 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7912E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90EB19E9A8 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:00:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A9719E99E for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:00:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (donholbrook@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CHZB1c00C1uE5Es5BJ0V3h; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:00:29 +0000 Received: from sz0029.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.79]) by OMTA16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CJ221c00E1iZpPQ3cJ22L4; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:02:03 +0000 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:00:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Don Holbrook To: OM post Message-ID: <1469074425.434811246816829588.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.96.58.79] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.16_GA_2927.RHEL5_64 (zclient/5.0.16_GA_2927.RHEL5_64) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Focus confirmation chip X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 20:00:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a50ea43176229730998309 I just received an OM to 4/3 adapter w/ focus confirmation chip from jinfinance. Just wanted to pass along some thoughts on my short usage of it for those who may be interested in one. I tried several lenses from 18 to 300mm, at different f-stops, and under varied lighting from sunny to twilight. It appears that the amount of light is the main factor, with wide angles better than teles, f2 better than f16, sunny better than shade. Most will confirm from f2 to f11 in sun, to f5.6 in shade, and f4 in twilight. Any darker, or smaller f-stop, and the camera will not let you take a shot. The focus confirm light will either not light up or will continuously blink. Using flash focus acquisition would not work with manual focus. It will work using live view A, but not on B. I had the best results with my E-330 on Manual, with focus set to S-AF+M. This gives you both the focus light and the beep. I bought it because I had problems focusing my 300mm even with the ME-1 eyepiece. Now I don't. The adapter is very well made and mikes out .001" thicker than the MF-1. Again, just my impressions, not trying to get you to buy something but if you have focus problems with legacy lenses you might take a look. If anyone wants me to try a particular situation, let me know. After all, we are trying to fool the camera! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 23:14:53 2009 Received: (qmail 12434 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 21:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 21:14:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E21E182D4 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46312E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23AF334AC02B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:14:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB3834AC026 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:14:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch ([81.221.125.14]:56331 helo=ians-mac-pro.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MNZ2r-0007Rg-ET for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:14:45 -0500 Message-ID: <4A5117BE.4020404@picturepedia.org> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:14:38 +0200 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1469074425.434811246816829588.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1469074425.434811246816829588.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org Subject: [OM] week 28's few fotos for fun X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 23:14:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5117cd3875683411216 Finally I have managed to catch up with the list emails, thanks to all who posted pictures, after seeing Nathan's panorama's I wonder why I wasted money on my 35mm panoramic camera, I can't remember all who posted pictures but I am glad to see Moose posting more pictures and also to Bob and Chuck and Fernando always nice to see others work - apologies if I missed anyone. Anyway here are this weeks few fotos for fun - my mind was a but fuddled with all that was going on with Cai so on one occasion I forgot the CF card I try to shoot with the display not showing on the E3 and on others I forgot to reset the iso setting from 3200, still I hope you enjoy them. http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/8100207_JddWM#582712977_TMKck thanks IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 23:29:03 2009 Received: (qmail 31000 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 21:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 21:29:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F91E182B9 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B43FE240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEE219ED04 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:28:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DD619ECFE for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:28:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20866 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jul 2009 21:28:56 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jul 2009 21:28:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4A511B18.9000300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:28:56 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090705-0, 07/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens testing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 23:29:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a511b1f258611258626592 Well, I think you've got the formula correct but I still don't think that justifies testing beyond what you actually intend to use. So what if a slow B&W film yields 120 lines/mm but you only ever intend to use a color film with resolution of 60 lines/mm. I'm looking for the "why do you care" answer. Chuck Norcutt Jan Steinman wrote: >> From: Chuck Norcutt >> >> But is there any sense to use a film with higher resolution than what >> you're going to shoot with after the test? > > > I believe the system resolution is equal to the inverse of the sum of > the inverses of each component. > > If that is true, then yes, it does make sense. > > :::: Monoculture is where the logic of nature collides with the logic > of economics; which logic will ultimately prevail can never be in > doubt. -- Michael Pollan :::: > :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality http://www.EcoReality.org :::: > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 23:36:35 2009 Received: (qmail 21103 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 21:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 21:36:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE522E182DD for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6EEE240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF5619ED2B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:36:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAF419ED15 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:36:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25006 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jul 2009 21:36:27 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jul 2009 21:36:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4A511CD9.8020708@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:36:25 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <38B25B5B-2F7B-48F6-8F8C-0D239D41581F@roadrunner.com> <4A50B34B.4010300@chucknorcutt.com> <3B94670E0ADA4E80BC699735AD2E5B74@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <3B94670E0ADA4E80BC699735AD2E5B74@MAIN> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090705-0, 07/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 23:36:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a511ce3198345368819438 But he doesn't have an E-1. Will Crockett is mum on Olympus gear because he doesn't use it but he maintains that Canyon and Nykon digital TTL flash doesn't work very well (meaning consistent exposure) for fill. His claim is that the bright sun is too much competition for the weak pre-flash exposure measurement and causes exposure error. That's why he recommends auto mode or manual for fill flash. I don't have any of those $400 digital TTL things so I have no first hand experience. Dr. Flash C.H.Ling wrote: > I think you may also need a flash with FP capability otherwise you are > limited to 1/200 or 1/250 flash sync. speed. The new digital TTL flash like > FL-50 is quite accurate for fill-in with E-1. In case adjustment is > necessary just dial in "flash" compensation in 1/3 stop increament on the > back of the flash directly (no button required), it is independent of the > ambient exposure, very convenient. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> Nice stuff despite no fill flash. But don't go buy a fancy flash for >> fill. TTL fill flash for digital just doesn't work very well. If >> you've gotta have automation normal flash controlled auto mode works >> better and more consistently. Use a T-32, a Vivitar 285HV, a Sunpak 383 >> or 422 or any of a bunch of low cost (old) flash units that provide auto >> modes. Most (except the T-32) also provide good manual flash power >> level control as well. See: >> >> >> Dr. Flash >> >> >> Bob Whitmire wrote: >>> Every year my village of Round Pond holds a Fourth of July parade. >>> There is no organization, no one really in charge, and no limits save >>> taste on entries. In the past few years, however, since an article in >>> Down East magazine and a huge feature two years ago in the New York >>> Times, many more people have flooded our little village on the Fourth, >>> and now, while anarchy continues to more or less reign, we do get a >>> lot of "no parking this side" signs and the local sheriff's department >>> sends down a few deputies. Still and all, it's quite a day. >>> >>> www.bwp33.com >>> >>> The home page picture is from the parade, and there's a whole page >>> dedicated to photos. This is not my usual cuppa, and the sun actually >>> showed itself for the first time in more than a month about twenty >>> minutes before the parade started. Gonna have to get me a fancy fill >>> flash, for sure. >>> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 5 23:56:18 2009 Received: (qmail 9963 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 21:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 21:56:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DA4E181B1 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA62E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6062634AC02C for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:56:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AC434AC02B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:56:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3458 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jul 2009 21:56:11 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Jul 2009 21:56:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4A51217A.3020308@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:56:10 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <380-2200970516144600@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <380-2200970516144600@earthlink.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090705-0, 07/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ttl cord for E-series X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 5 23:56:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a512182266696107113666 I couldn't find the ill reviews you were talking about but I note that the Olympus FL-CB05 as listed at B&H seems to have fine reviews. To the best of my knowledge the Canon cable will work with Olympus but not the other way around. The Canon cable has 4 control contacts to Oly's 3 but I believe they all line up... but the Canon would be missing a contact if on the Oly cable. The Canon cable is more expensive than the Oly cable and is now in its 3rd version and supposedly has been made more rugged than version 2. I have version 2 and have never had any problem with it. Canon version 2 cables can be found on ebay. There is no intelligence in the cables. They're simply electrical contacts and don't care what's being transmitted on the wire between flash and camera. Chuck Norcutt jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > I am considering purchasing one of the new vivitar 383 ttls flashes > and am looking at a hot shoe to hotshoe cord so I can put it on my > flash bracket. However after reading the reviews on Adorama's site > of the Olympus version I am thinking that I may need to find a > differnent one as most of the reviews are not good. Is there any > other manufactors cord that will work with the Olympus cameras? > Thanks John > > > jgettis81@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 00:23:24 2009 Received: (qmail 29803 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 22:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 22:23:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006BFE182C7 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEA2E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A4E34AC026 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:23:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526F334AC02C for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:23:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 21 days 02:47:33 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-70-173.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.70.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n65MN6vg028331 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:23:07 -0300 Message-ID: <4A5127CD.6020101@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:23:09 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A511B18.9000300@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A511B18.9000300@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens testing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 00:23:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5127dc314972013633067 Just IMHO: I would use 120 l/mm because 1- It's like testing in an ideal situation, not in a practical one: it would tell me the theoretical max resolution of the system in case. 2- What if I have to make a change in what I ever intend to use? Unforeseeable events happen: I never intended to use xp, but to buy my Nikon scanner I had to buy a 'bundled' nice Athlon64 + 2 120GB RAID 0 machine. Had to learn windows the hard way. Just found what made this install so unstable: in my pursue to kill every apple app, I managed to delete Bonjour. Yes, it's part of CS3. Believe me, I never intended to delete RegEdit.exe entries, now I put it in my Start menu ... and no, I don't think I'd buy an apple machine again, now. ;-) Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > So what if a slow B&W film yields 120 lines/mm but you only ever intend to use a > color film with resolution of 60 lines/mm. > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 00:32:43 2009 Received: (qmail 2590 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 22:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 22:32:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE20E182D1 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5F5E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314A219EDEC for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:32:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E81819EDD1 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:32:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so2723344fxm.14 for ; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:32:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.146 with SMTP id i18mr3915788bkg.82.1246833156222; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:32:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A511B18.9000300@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A511B18.9000300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:32:36 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 055c62b468266b7a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens testing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 00:32:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a512a0b186661879814018 > > Well, I think you've got the formula correct but I still don't think > that justifies testing beyond what you actually intend to use. So what > if a slow B&W film yields 120 lines/mm but you only ever intend to use a > color film with resolution of 60 lines/mm. I'm looking for the "why do > you care" answer. > Because, next week I might want to take a picture using PanF, Velvia or a Canon 5D Mk2. Who wants to go and repeat the tests? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 01:23:31 2009 Received: (qmail 4147 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 23:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 23:23:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631A2E182E3 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10703E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA34D34AC02C for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:23:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BB934AC02D for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:23:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f212.google.com (mail-bw0-f212.google.com [209.85.218.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so426220bwz.14 for ; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:23:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.70.75 with SMTP id c11mr3919816bkj.128.1246836199748; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:23:19 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6d387f456b00ee34 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Fourth of July Fireworks Photograph X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 01:23:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5135f3274451560218263 Not a spectacular photograph, but something different. http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=440&Itemid=1 BTW, note the new article posted today. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 01:25:22 2009 Received: (qmail 12646 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2009 23:25:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 23:25:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F70CE181A6 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6E2E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8242219EE97 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:25:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329AB19EE94 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:25:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n65NPFXw024726 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:25:15 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c75.54f2c608 (37167) for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-md03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.156]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA046-d4324a51365211f; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:25:10 -0400 Received: from webmail-de10 (webmail-de10.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.31]) by smtprly-md03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD031-d4324a51365211f; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:25:06 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:25:06 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43661-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by webmail-de10.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.31) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:25:06 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBCBDEF74FA344-1500-6B56@webmail-de10.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Focus confirmation chip X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 01:25:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a513662186521234514069 Thanks for that. There are so many flavors of focus confirmation adapters that it is hard to keep track. HappypageHK (Rudolf) seems to make sure his version behave and don't make work for his customers or him. The "Optix v5" is programmable so one can fine tune the chip on focus (IIRC) as well as put in the FL /aperture reported in exif. I am not sure if this one allows you can toggle from MF to AF mode. (some of the programmable ones can for sure) In MF mode of course the shutter can be triggered w/o focus confirmation but than AF assist lamp can't be used. So there are advantges of either mode. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 02:30:49 2009 Received: (qmail 2801 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 00:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 00:30:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB51EE181B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A186DE240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8615A19F015 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:30:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0B019EFF0 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:30:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23123 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jul 2009 00:30:40 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090705-0, 07/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] week 28's few fotos for fun X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 02:30:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5145b939321234514069 A more varied collection this week. I don't know if the stones or the MG is the winner. The wide angle has stretched the hood and I wasn't sure it was an MG until blowing it up to see the marque. The stones are very interesting too but would have been much more mundane without that white one. Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > Finally I have managed to catch up with the list emails, thanks to all > who posted pictures, after seeing Nathan's panorama's I wonder why I > wasted money on my 35mm panoramic camera, I can't remember all who > posted pictures but I am glad to see Moose posting more pictures and > also to Bob and Chuck and Fernando always nice to see others work - > apologies if I missed anyone. > > Anyway here are this weeks few fotos for fun - my mind was a but fuddled > with all that was going on with Cai so on one occasion I forgot the CF > card I try to shoot with the display not showing on the E3 and on others > I forgot to reset the iso setting from 3200, still I hope you enjoy them. > > http://thattimeoflife.smugmug.com/gallery/8100207_JddWM#582712977_TMKck > > > thanks IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 02:33:52 2009 Received: (qmail 27617 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 00:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 00:33:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79C1E182B7 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94686E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8761D34AC02B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:33:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209BD34AC023 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:33:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24829 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jul 2009 00:33:46 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090705-0, 07/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens testing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 02:33:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a514670227771342116753 OK, you don't fit the "don't ever intend to use..." part of my conditions. That's fine. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Just IMHO: I would use 120 l/mm because > 1- It's like testing in an ideal situation, not in a practical one: it > would tell me the theoretical max resolution of the system in case. > 2- What if I have to make a change in what I ever intend to use? > > Unforeseeable events happen: I never intended to use xp, but to buy my > Nikon scanner I had to buy a 'bundled' nice Athlon64 + 2 120GB RAID 0 > machine. Had to learn windows the hard way. Just found what made this > install so unstable: in my pursue to kill every apple app, I managed to > delete Bonjour. Yes, it's part of CS3. Believe me, I never intended to > delete RegEdit.exe entries, now I put it in my Start menu ... and no, I > don't think I'd buy an apple machine again, now. > > ;-) > > Fernando. > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> So what if a slow B&W film yields 120 lines/mm but you only ever intend to use a >> color film with resolution of 60 lines/mm. >> Chuck Norcutt >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 02:34:52 2009 Received: (qmail 17686 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 00:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 00:34:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C11E182DC for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015A5E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B5719EE81 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:34:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E4D19E190 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:34:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25128 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jul 2009 00:34:27 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jul 2009 00:34:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4A514692.5030909@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:34:26 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A511B18.9000300@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090705-0, 07/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens testing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 02:34:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5146ac284235034211378 See my response to Fernando. Same answer. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Well, I think you've got the formula correct but I still don't think >> that justifies testing beyond what you actually intend to use. So what >> if a slow B&W film yields 120 lines/mm but you only ever intend to use a >> color film with resolution of 60 lines/mm. I'm looking for the "why do >> you care" answer. >> > > > Because, next week I might want to take a picture using PanF, Velvia or a > Canon 5D Mk2. Who wants to go and repeat the tests? > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 02:51:31 2009 Received: (qmail 2166 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 00:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 00:51:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EB7E182DB for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE7CE240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB81819F0D9 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:51:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961E619F0D5 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:51:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3592831408E for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E826531408B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A514A9B.9050306@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:51:39 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090705-0, 07/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: [OM] gods are restless X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 02:51:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a514a93240291234514069 Check out the volcano cam this evening. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 03:38:19 2009 Received: (qmail 22366 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 01:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 01:38:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37ECE182E5 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DCDE240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2DF19F084 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:38:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22D819F0C1 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:38:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28546 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jul 2009 01:38:10 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jul 2009 01:38:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4A515581.10908@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:38:09 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A514A9B.9050306@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <4A514A9B.9050306@interisland.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090705-0, 07/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] gods are restless X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 03:38:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a51558b67429730998309 It looks strange. I wonder what's going on. I noticed that the air temp is 66F but the camera is 105F. Chuck Norcutt Mike Lazzari wrote: > Check out the volcano cam this evening. > > > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 03:51:21 2009 Received: (qmail 18966 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 01:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 01:51:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F79E182DA for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A409E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A4B19F1C8 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:51:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A8319F1A6 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:51:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n661pAQT027505 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:51:10 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c63.4803ded3 (37553) for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mc03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mc03.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.99]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB032-d3db4a51588279; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:51:00 -0400 Received: from webmail-mh19 (webmail-mh19.sim.aol.com [64.12.183.157]) by smtprly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMC035-d3db4a51588279; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:50:58 -0400 References: To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:50:58 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.181 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43661-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.181 by webmail-mh19.sysops.aol.com (64.12.183.157) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:50:58 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBCBF357BC8D64-135C-30EB@webmail-mh19.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Finally ---Compact Tilt-Shift on OM--what do you think? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 03:51:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a515899227861357919056 It's been a l-o-n-g time coming, but I finally have a Mamiya flavor Mirex Tilt-shift adapter for OM. Also have a Mamiya to Zuiko adapter so I can use any OM lens (no longer infinity focus though of course) on the front of the adapter. I believe it is thus far the only one made thus far by Mirex. It was a long saga with help from several list members along the way. The adapter allows for 10 deg of tilt and can be shifted but only perpendicular to the tilt. The front of the adapter can be rotated in 15 deg intervals so the tilt can become a swing. It is quite small and nicely engineered. I did not think any type of bellows would travel easily. Mirex does have T-mount adapters with a Hassey front. The latter lenses are larger, heavier and mucho dinero. It is a major treat to have infinity focus with my one 55mm Mamiya (thus far) and the Zuiko macro lenses seem to enjoy being tilted with no signs of vignetting --yet. Perhaps Dr. Diffraction can partially be defeated. Markus Michelberger at Mirex was kind enough not to give up on this project. I was resigned to an M42 or Canyon version but they engineered a slick internal release mechanism for the bayonet. You have to reach inside the adapter to lift up the latch. It seems fussy at first but it is secure and works well. After doing it a half dozen times is becomes easy. I had mentioned the screw slots on the mount might shear off the little gizmo on a 4T. The screw slots are slightly recessed and they included a foil ring with adhesive on one side and a teflonized coating on the other. The registration distance seems perfect. They did not quite understand the aperture coupling tab issue. It still would work on auto for OTF metering. There was a bit of a language barrier as well. I had to pay a bit of a premium for the extra fabrication of the whole adapter. They offered me a complete refund after I received it if not satisfied. I thought about adding the tab, but I had to send some things to John and sent this along. He did a beautiful job. As far as I can tell the adapter is perfect. (very Zuikoish, well engineered, compact))Thanks, John. Thanks to Moose and Jeff for helping me understand the aperture tab and how this works as well as suggestions and encouragement. If you would wish to consider one (perhaps they can do 3T gray? ;-)) contact Mr. Michelberger at: info at mirex-adapter.de Be sure to point out the aperture tab --perhaps send the image. http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/albums/19148/ Yes, that is the zuiko 135 macro on the end of the Mirex adapter. It is obviously staged by the lavender as the working distance is much longer. A Tilted Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 03:59:49 2009 Received: (qmail 738 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 01:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 01:59:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C776E182C9 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E902E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F41C19F1E9 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:59:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987DE19F1E7 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:59:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-m07.mx.aol.com (imr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a515a6554; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:59:01 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c5f.56a7f8d6 (32914) for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:59:19 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:59:19 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Fourth of July Fireworks Photograph X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 03:59:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a515a95202739752976205 In a message dated 7/5/2009 6:23:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: Not a spectacular photograph, but something different. _http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=440&Itemi d=1_ (http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=440&Itemid=1) I think it is pretty cool, but what would you expect? Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 04:00:38 2009 Received: (qmail 7690 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 02:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 02:00:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C830FE182DF for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB105E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61C519F209 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:59:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E624919F204 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:59:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7340 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jul 2009 01:59:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jul 2009 01:59:53 -0000 Message-ID: <4A515A98.9040707@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:59:52 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CBCBF357BC8D64-135C-30EB@webmail-mh19.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CBCBF357BC8D64-135C-30EB@webmail-mh19.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090705-0, 07/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Finally ---Compact Tilt-Shift on OM--what do you think? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 04:00:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a515ac6271441006886880 Looks pretty cool! Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > It's been a l-o-n-g time coming, but I finally have a Mamiya flavor > Mirex Tilt-shift adapter for OM. Also have a Mamiya to Zuiko adapter > so I can use any OM lens (no longer infinity focus though of course) on > the front of the adapter. I believe it is thus far the only one made > thus far by Mirex. > > It was a long saga with help from several list members along the way. > The adapter allows for 10 deg of tilt and can be shifted but only > perpendicular to the tilt. The front of the adapter can be rotated in > 15 deg intervals so the tilt can become a swing. It is quite small and > nicely engineered. I did not think any type of bellows would travel > easily. > Mirex does have T-mount adapters with a Hassey front. The latter > lenses are larger, heavier and mucho dinero. > It is a major treat to have infinity focus with my one 55mm Mamiya > (thus far) and the Zuiko macro lenses seem to enjoy being tilted with > no signs of vignetting --yet. Perhaps Dr. Diffraction can partially be > defeated. > > Markus Michelberger at Mirex was kind enough not to give up on this > project. I was resigned to an M42 or Canyon version but they > engineered a slick internal release mechanism for the bayonet. You > have to reach inside the adapter to lift up the latch. It seems fussy > at first but it is secure and works well. After doing it a half dozen > times is becomes easy. I had mentioned the screw slots on the mount > might shear off the little gizmo on a 4T. The screw slots are slightly > recessed and they included a foil ring with adhesive on one side and a > teflonized coating on the other. The registration distance seems > perfect. They did not quite understand the aperture coupling tab > issue. It still would work on auto for OTF metering. > There was a bit of a language barrier as well. I had to pay a bit of a > premium for the extra fabrication of the whole adapter. They offered > me a complete refund after I received it if not satisfied. I thought > about adding the tab, but I had to send some things to John and sent > this along. He did a beautiful job. As far as I can tell the adapter > is perfect. (very Zuikoish, well engineered, compact))Thanks, John. > > Thanks to Moose and Jeff for helping me understand the aperture tab > and how this works as well as suggestions and encouragement. > If you would wish to consider one (perhaps they can do 3T gray? ;-)) > contact Mr. Michelberger at: > > info at mirex-adapter.de > > Be sure to point out the aperture tab --perhaps send the image. > > http://www.zoto.com/gordon9213/albums/19148/ > > > > > Yes, that is the zuiko 135 macro on the end of the Mirex adapter. It > is obviously staged by the lavender as the working distance is much > longer. > > A Tilted Mike > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 04:17:04 2009 Received: (qmail 25662 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 02:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 02:17:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46D3E182B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B5CE240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041CD19F225 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:16:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22DE19F224 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:16:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2118 invoked by uid 502); 6 Jul 2009 02:16:56 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jul 2009 02:16:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4A515E8F.8070805@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:16:47 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] The Revolt X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 04:17:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a515ea0179932013633067 Ken Norton wrote: > It has begun. There is a revolt in the camera bags. I'd expect nothing less than a revolting development out of your camera bag. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 07:03:22 2009 Received: (qmail 10436 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 05:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 05:03:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE562E181B1 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109B8E240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F283B19F455 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:03:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E91319F448 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:03:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3614 invoked by uid 502); 6 Jul 2009 05:03:14 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jul 2009 05:03:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4A51858C.90907@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:03:08 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D9916D914A81D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> In-Reply-To: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D9916D914A81D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens testing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 07:03:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a51859a161342517112723 Sawyer, Edward wrote: > ... for color slide, K25 or Velvia 50. > I believe AG has recommended against Velvia for this use because of lateral halation that reduces effective resolution. Or some such film & Fuji thing. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 08:01:26 2009 Received: (qmail 3968 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 06:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 06:01:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204D0E182EF for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 23:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A58AE240B2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 23:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D7534AC026 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 23:01:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A76834AC02C for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 23:01:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 23:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5557 invoked by uid 502); 6 Jul 2009 06:01:18 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jul 2009 06:01:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4A519327.40702@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:01:11 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <38B25B5B-2F7B-48F6-8F8C-0D239D41581F@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <38B25B5B-2F7B-48F6-8F8C-0D239D41581F@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 08:01:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a51933641736107113666 Bob Whitmire wrote: > Every year my village of Round Pond holds a Fourth of July parade ..., it's quite a day. > > www.bwp33.com > > ... This is not my usual cuppa, and the sun actually showed itself for the first time in more than a month about twenty minutes before the parade started. Nice documentation of the event. WooHoo, though should have been framed to include all the gams. :-) > Gonna have to get me a fancy fill flash, for sure. > I'm not convinced about that. In light that bright, with those subjects, I imagine any mid power flash would often not be close enough to have much effect. Then there's the problem of flash and closer objects. With manual, it could overlight them, pulling focus away from the primary subject. With on flash Auto, the close brightness would quench the flash too early for the intended subject. I wouldn't necessarily propose exactly what I've done in this example. With an original size, 16 bit image, a more subtle effect could be achieved. And the amount of fill is a matter of taste. Perhaps another reason to opt for PP fill? In any case, with a low noise camera like the D3 in bright light, there should be almost endless shadow detail available to pull up as desired. You'd be amazed what a nice dose of combined Shadow & Highlight would do for all these images. Dr. Eschew Flash -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 12:45:03 2009 Received: (qmail 28545 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 10:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 10:45:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795CCE182E0 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 03:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD35E240B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 03:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B691419E045 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 03:44:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2727719E034 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 03:44:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 03:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n66AilBE017948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:44:49 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:44:42 +1000 Message-ID: <000001c9fe26$c675c8b0$53615a10$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn9x5slJrjNwPV3RFuvSo3UjXIFEwAXxCBg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Fourth of July Fireworks Photograph X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 12:45:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a51d5af258171342116753 Well that's certainly a different handling of fireworks - good stuff ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@zone-10.com] > Sent: Monday, 6 July 2009 9:23 AM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] Fourth of July Fireworks Photograph > > Not a spectacular photograph, but something different. > http://zone- > 10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=440&Itemid=1 > > 10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=440&Itemid=1>BTW, > note the new article posted today. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 14:23:11 2009 Received: (qmail 20478 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 12:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 12:23:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68614E182E3 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC238E240B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FE634AC026 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:23:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3E634AC023 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:23:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so3171295fxm.14 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:23:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.57.18 with SMTP id a18mr4597714bkh.19.1246882983775; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:23:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A51858C.90907@gmail.com> References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D9916D914A81D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> <4A51858C.90907@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 07:23:03 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5d2031de6d97499a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens testing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 14:23:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a51ecaf247539752976205 > > I believe AG has recommended against Velvia for this use because of > lateral halation that reduces effective resolution. Or some such film & > Fuji thing. > For high-contrast targets, this is correct. However, Astia 100F is acceptable as well as the new Velvia 100 if your target ratio is no more than 5:1 or so. If it's like 8:1, I'd avoid all Fujichromes, personally. If you use a transluminant target which can achieve greater than 20:1 the lateral halation becomes quite obvious. Ilford HP5 holds a place of honor in my experience as the most lateral-halation prone film I've ever used. I've had highlights from one image leak into the adjacent image! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 14:31:21 2009 Received: (qmail 16607 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 12:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 12:31:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BE1E182D4 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26357E240B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE8F19E364 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:31:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E07719E35F for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:31:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz11 with SMTP id 11so353709bwz.14 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:31:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.67.141 with SMTP id r13mr4557353bki.166.1246883472785; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:31:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A519327.40702@gmail.com> References: <38B25B5B-2F7B-48F6-8F8C-0D239D41581F@roadrunner.com> <4A519327.40702@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 07:31:12 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 85dd8d9ca43dc2b5 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 14:31:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a51ee99274531234514069 Our Fourth of July parades tend to reflect the, uh, local industry? It's not unusual to have a few dozen........ok, make that a couple hundred restored classic tractors in the parade. Snoooze. It's funny because my father-in-law got quite animated a couple years ago when half the tractors in the parade were NEWER than the ones he was still using on the farm! Fortunately, as I had to ride in the Grinnell parade, this year, I was pleased to note the surprising lack of John Deere tractors. Grinnell is also a trucking town, so there were a bunch of big rigs, though. Our parade route was about two-miles long, and we tossed somewhere around 100 pounds of candy. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 17:28:29 2009 Received: (qmail 19228 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 15:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 15:28:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7DCE182D9 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 08:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC3FE240B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 08:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837E234AC02D for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 08:28:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D016034AC040 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 08:28:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 08:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz11 with SMTP id 11so489971bwz.14 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:28:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.103.197 with SMTP id l5mr4661143bko.165.1246894101070; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:28:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000001c9fe26$c675c8b0$53615a10$@com.au> References: <000001c9fe26$c675c8b0$53615a10$@com.au> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:28:21 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7a9dc580784953ea Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Fourth of July Fireworks Photograph X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 17:28:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52181d309182517112723 > > Well that's certainly a different handling of fireworks - good stuff ! > Thanks. I'm not sure what artistic worth it has, but it was "different". AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 20:11:49 2009 Received: (qmail 24627 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 18:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 18:11:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C92E182EB for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F153E240B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199D619EEA7 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:11:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F3219EE7C for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:11:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.99]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imo-m11.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a523e4e323; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:11:26 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.d55.53eb3f74 (37130) for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.1]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA024-d1c44a523e4a2cb; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:11:28 -0400 Received: from webmail-de18 (webmail-de18.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.39]) by smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC015-d1c44a523e4a2cb; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:11:23 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:11:22 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.139 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43661-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.39) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:11:22 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 20:11:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a523e65274541234514069 http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1279/cat/14 This isn't the miJ is it? Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 20:58:47 2009 Received: (qmail 30506 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 18:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 18:58:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF23AE1822B for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08136E240B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FD419EF19 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:58:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE3419EF04 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:58:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so3443931fxm.14 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:58:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.67.141 with SMTP id r13mr4893914bki.166.1246906720769; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:58:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:58:38 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c98c1121429601aa Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 20:58:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a524967162433900897491 Based on the "F.Zuiko" nomenclature, my guess is that this is either a single-coated lens (despite the black-nose) or an early MC version. Judging from the "blur index", it has all the characteristics of the earlier single-coated lenses--very sharp in the center, poor at the corners. The later version(s) of the 50/1.8 wasn't generally as sharp in the center, but was pretty much uniform to the corners. The 50/1.8 and 50/1.4 are lenses which I very much recommend the latest versions of, in spite of the lack of chrome. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 22:30:14 2009 Received: (qmail 24234 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 20:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 20:30:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D0DE182E4 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD828E240B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BBD19F1E2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:30:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BE919F1E8 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:30:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9133 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jul 2009 20:30:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jul 2009 20:30:02 -0000 Message-ID: <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:30:01 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090706-0, 07/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 22:30:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a525ed6303331234514069 No, it's not the MIJ although they comment that it's multicoated so it's later rather than earlier. The MIJ name ring just says "ZUIKO" and not "F.ZUIKO". Also, on the MIJ, the focal length precedes the aperture whereas this older lens lists the aperture first. I just noted test images for the first time and see they're the same test setup as Imaging Resource. I didn't previously know of the connection with SLR Gear. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1279/cat/14 > > This isn't the miJ is it? > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 22:33:49 2009 Received: (qmail 26462 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 20:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 20:33:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1A8E182CA for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7ACE240B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBD619F1E8 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:33:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D8519F157 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:33:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f211.google.com (mail-bw0-f211.google.com [209.85.218.211]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so1550616bwz.8 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:33:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.60.72 with SMTP id o8mr4888066bkh.210.1246912421610; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:33:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> References: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:33:41 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fa7fbdeedfad6270 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 22:33:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a525fad87041413256596 > > I have an E-3 approx 1.5 years old but lightly used (less than 1000 > pictures) for sale. I'm asking $700 (prefer to limit sale to USA). I must be strong.... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 22:38:29 2009 Received: (qmail 11575 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 20:38:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 20:38:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6639E181A6 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4AAE240B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98BF34AC02D for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:38:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28CF34AC023 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:38:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp05.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp05.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 206.red-79-147-169.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([79.147.169.206]:63735 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay05.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.45]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1MNux7-0006DK-Gl (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:38:19 +0000 Message-Id: From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:38:16 +0200 References: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 22:38:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5260c54531258626592 Be weak, this is a great deal. Although I have gone back to the true faith of Leica, I think the E3 (which I still have) is the nicest DSLR out there, all things considered. Do your bit for the economy, screw the crisis, SPEND! :-) Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Jul 6, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> I have an E-3 approx 1.5 years old but lightly used (less than 1000 >> pictures) for sale. I'm asking $700 (prefer to limit sale to USA). > > > > I must be strong.... > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 22:39:11 2009 Received: (qmail 29306 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 20:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 20:39:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3FAE182E3 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE05E240B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BE519F216 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:38:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA4419F157 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:38:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so3500384fxm.14 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:38:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.67.141 with SMTP id r13mr4979663bki.166.1246912706981; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:38:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:38:26 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ff49ab9fa3aea26e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 22:39:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5260ef230736789618724 > > No, it's not the MIJ although they comment that it's multicoated so it's > later rather than earlier. The MIJ name ring just says "ZUIKO" and not > "F.ZUIKO". Also, on the MIJ, the focal length precedes the aperture > whereas this older lens lists the aperture first. > I'm questioning that because I wasn't aware of any of that lens having "F.ZUIKO" being multicoated. I'm wondering if they mistook the black-nose as being multicoated. I could be wrong, though, as I've been well-experienced in being wrong, lately. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 22:49:31 2009 Received: (qmail 29535 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 20:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 20:49:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E76E182E2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BD2E240B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF6C19F158 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:49:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E932C19F189 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:49:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz11 with SMTP id 11so680354bwz.14 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.78.131 with SMTP id l3mr4942116bkk.186.1246913357071; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:49:17 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c2afee8b0b6d667a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 22:49:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52635b316296107113666 Nathan wrote: > Be weak, this is a great deal. Although I have gone back to the true > faith of Leica, I think the E3 (which I still have) is the nicest DSLR > out there, all things considered. > Shame about the sensor, otherwise I agree--the E-3 rocks. Unfortunately, where I push the E-1, the E-3 isn't really much better. (high ISO performance). I've been really really trying to shoot the OMs like they are Leicas. It's amazing how different my pictures are looking. I like it! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 23:50:09 2009 Received: (qmail 8806 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 21:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 21:50:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E29E182EB for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F4AE240B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FBD19F3EB for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:50:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1A919F3AA for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:50:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-web11-z01 ([10.127.132.102]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090706215001529.TOPA11389@cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 21:50:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20090706215001.58LQU.341487.root@cdptpa-web11-z01> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 21:50:01 +0000 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A511CD9.8020708@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: Cc: Chuck Norcutt Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 23:50:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a527191245811258626592 I've tended to shy away from flash work in recent years, but when I was a reporter/editor, I used to shoot all the time with a cheap little vivitar flash in one hand and a camera in the other. Inside at rubber chicken dinners or outside at train wrecks. I don't recall exactly how I did it, but I do recall it wasn't hard and it wasn't a hassle. Time for a little re-education. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com ---- Chuck Norcutt wrote: > But he doesn't have an E-1. Will Crockett is mum on Olympus gear > because he doesn't use it but he maintains that Canyon and Nykon digital > TTL flash doesn't work very well (meaning consistent exposure) for fill. > His claim is that the bright sun is too much competition for the weak > pre-flash exposure measurement and causes exposure error. That's why he > recommends auto mode or manual for fill flash. I don't have any of > those $400 digital TTL things so I have no first hand experience. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 6 23:57:08 2009 Received: (qmail 4766 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 21:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 21:57:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B12EE182CA for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3E9E240B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874C83610004 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:57:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416013610001 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:57:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-web11-z01 ([10.127.132.102]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090706215701771.SXTY8326@cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 21:57:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20090706215701.GW6YD.341598.root@cdptpa-web11-z01> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 17:57:01 -0400 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A519327.40702@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: Cc: Moose Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 6 23:57:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a527334289635683411216 ---- Moose wrote: > > In any case, with a low noise camera like the D3 in bright light, there > should be almost endless shadow detail available to pull up as desired. > You'd be amazed what a nice dose of combined Shadow & Highlight would do > for all these images. > > Dr. Eschew Flash Actually, I discovered that shadow/highlight is a pretty good substitute. I'm not sure why, but the post-processed photoshop files are much smoother than the web images. The example you used, The Man From Nantucket, really gave my wife a case of the willies at 100 percent on the eyes. I like your levels and curves alteration. I did some of that, but I may go back and do more. That particular photo is one I might want to work on for a while. As for the Whoo-hoo girls, it was a very quick grab shot after I'd switched from the 24-70 to the 70-200. I just couldn't get back far enough fast enough. But they were nice gams. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 00:07:27 2009 Received: (qmail 7401 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 22:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 22:07:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1D5E182EB for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A029AE240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CB23610001 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D55B34AC02B for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.52]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMD00HYES3F7EP8@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:06:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A52757B.4060400@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:06:51 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <58983.34280.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9EA41C1ECA3B44358E6816E3461C6CC3@hudson> <4A4B336A.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0907010513k23fe2c5fl835fffc9296361d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A4B6012.3060207@chucknorcutt.com> <4A4B631E.9010103@ctgonline.org> <4A4B6803.4050403@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0907010702g5a296487mf1943f6584dd2b6d@mail.gmail.com> In-reply-to: <14883a8b0907010702g5a296487mf1943f6584dd2b6d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 00:07:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52759f127395683411216 Back from July 4th camping trip. The scanty furs pictures from the Ray Harryhausen film "One Million Years BC" ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Aha! Must have been Raquel Welch, no doubt wrapped in scanty furs > (pre-PETA days). > > Charlie > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > >> Nope. A good choice but, at the time I'm thinking of, Jaclyn was >> probably only 14 or 15. A bit too young. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Paul Braun wrote: >>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>> No. The poster on my wall was someone else... even better looking. :-) >>> Jaclyn Smith? She was my favorite. >>> >> -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 00:19:11 2009 Received: (qmail 13133 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 22:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 22:19:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E8AE182AE for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921C6E240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0B934AC026 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:19:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C388B34AC023 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:19:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30963 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jul 2009 22:19:01 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090706-0, 07/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 00:19:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52785f2021879814018 They probably don't know anything about silver and black nose Oly lenses. Only the cognoscenti around here know that stuff. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> No, it's not the MIJ although they comment that it's multicoated so it's >> later rather than earlier. The MIJ name ring just says "ZUIKO" and not >> "F.ZUIKO". Also, on the MIJ, the focal length precedes the aperture >> whereas this older lens lists the aperture first. >> > > > I'm questioning that because I wasn't aware of any of that lens having > "F.ZUIKO" being multicoated. I'm wondering if they mistook the black-nose as > being multicoated. I could be wrong, though, as I've been well-experienced > in being wrong, lately. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 00:22:13 2009 Received: (qmail 3318 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 22:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 22:22:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFE1E181B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F993E240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8701634AC026 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:22:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFA33610001 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:22:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.52]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMD00AJWSS7YK32@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:21:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A5278F7.2030303@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:21:43 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Farrah with an E-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 00:22:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52791592561006886880 There are scenes of Donna Reed in "It's a Wonderful Life" that make my eyes well up. Same goes for Anne Sheridan in "They Drive By Night" . Beautiful, dedicated (both red-heads?) women who stand by their men. Gorgeous. John, after 5 Corona's, still kinda on vacation. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ken Norton wrote: > I take Chuck for a Donna Reed kinda guy. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 00:37:52 2009 Received: (qmail 12306 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 22:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 22:37:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36532E182E4 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714A9E240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5749719F5BE for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:37:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2189419F5B1 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:37:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.52]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMD00LJ5TIT59Z5@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:37:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A527CB5.60009@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:37:41 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4D75DA.5050305@adinet.com.uy> In-reply-to: <4A4D75DA.5050305@adinet.com.uy> Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 00:37:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a527cc044801413256596 Caps are identical threads, and you should have ONLY chrome battery caps on your plain 4, 4T and 4Ti. NO BLACK BATTERY CAPS PLEASE> ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Well, it was quite foreseeable that I would start a thread like this one. > > I'll begin with the easy ones: > > 1- While changing the winder from the 4 to the 4Ti, I removed the chrome > cap on the 4Ti and found that it would not screw easily on the 4 body. I > somehow recall having read something on this here, long ago. Just wanted > to be sure: the chrome cap won't screw on a 4 body, and the black cap > won't screw on the 4Ti body. Am I right?. OTOH, battery caps are > interchangeable. > > 2- I felt surprised by this one, never read of it here and it's not > mentioned in the Manual of the 4Ti: after the winder2 was attached and > working, I set the shutter speed dial to red 1/60 and to B. I fired on > Sequence mode while looking at the shutter curtain. Both curtains seem > to travel together, I could see no light through, at mechanical 1/60. > But if I fire using the camera's shutter release button, it appears to > be alright. Didn't try yet, my other winder in on my best OM 2n, but I'm > almost sure that if I shoot in Sequence mode with shutter speed dial at > B, the shutter would remain open. It's too late for me now to try this, > and perhaps unnecessary. I remain surprised by the shutter at red 1/60 > doesn't open when triggered by the winder2. > > 3- more to come, sorry list - I know you're busy in the digital age. > > ;-) > > Fernando. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 00:55:07 2009 Received: (qmail 12808 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 22:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 22:55:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79742E182B9 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49445E240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3563D34AC026 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:55:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58F034AC023 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:55:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.52]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMD00ACTUARCD40@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:54:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A5280A3.9070000@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:54:27 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 00:55:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5280cb323221357919056 Congratulations mister! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > I was just notified today of the inclusion of two of my images in the > Plastic Fantastic exhibit of the Texas Photographic Society. Mine are the > first two of the 52 selected. Images made with a Diana + camera and HP 5. > Silver Gelatin prints. Bill Barber > > _http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/_ > (http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 01:56:28 2009 Received: (qmail 25137 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2009 23:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 23:56:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987CDE182B0 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36ED6E240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C56419F6C6 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:56:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748F419F6A7 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:56:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4082 invoked by uid 504); 6 Jul 2009 23:56:18 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090706-0, 07/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 01:56:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a528f2c284542517112723 I think Moose is largely correct for fill flash. Generally, you only want to raise the shadows about 1 stop and that's certainly within the range of a good digital. But the decision is not simple. Having to adjust all the exposures may be a pain depending on how many there are. Flash range is another big question. Something like the Vivitar 283 or T-32 that didn't have zoom heads are probably maxed out in sunlight by the time it gets 6-10 feet. Zoom heads can alter the equation but can't solve the issue of Moose's last demo image which says "Oops! Real flash on the girl." Since the girl is closer she's gonna get more light and a lot of it. The inverse square law with respect to flash light is very unforgiving. For an environment where you aren't in good control of the subjects the shadow/highlight control is probably the best bet. I've been meaning to do some more experimentation on this but keep forgetting. Fill flash is never easy outside of a controlled environment and it's possible to make serious exposure errors that are hard to detect on the LCD. But if the camera offers one stop of shadow detail via shadow/highlight it may be the safest and most effective course for many situations. Dr. (sometimes) Flash Moose wrote: > Bob Whitmire wrote: >> Every year my village of Round Pond holds a Fourth of July parade ..., it's quite a day. >> >> www.bwp33.com >> >> ... This is not my usual cuppa, and the sun actually showed itself for the first time in more than a month about twenty minutes before the parade started. > > Nice documentation of the event. WooHoo, though should have been framed > to include all the gams. :-) > >> Gonna have to get me a fancy fill flash, for sure. >> > > I'm not convinced about that. In light that bright, with those subjects, > I imagine any mid power flash would often not be close enough to have > much effect. Then there's the problem of flash and closer objects. With > manual, it could overlight them, pulling focus away from the primary > subject. With on flash Auto, the close brightness would quench the flash > too early for the intended subject. > > > I wouldn't necessarily propose exactly what I've done in this example. > With an original size, 16 bit image, a more subtle effect could be > achieved. And the amount of fill is a matter of taste. Perhaps another > reason to opt for PP fill? > > In any case, with a low noise camera like the D3 in bright light, there > should be almost endless shadow detail available to pull up as desired. > You'd be amazed what a nice dose of combined Shadow & Highlight would do > for all these images. > > Dr. Eschew Flash > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 03:41:17 2009 Received: (qmail 13878 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 01:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 01:41:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8621E182CA for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48008E240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1833610001 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:41:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BF334AC026 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:41:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 22 days 06:05:25 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-60-45.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.60.45]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n671evAX020518; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:40:58 -0300 Message-ID: <4A52A7AE.50307@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:41:02 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4D75DA.5050305@adinet.com.uy> <4A527CB5.60009@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4A527CB5.60009@verizon.net> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Cc: John Hermanson Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 03:41:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52a7bd235281006886880 John, thanks for answering. I knew about the chrome battery caps, but had doubts about the motor drive cap: the black cap would not screw until flat on the surface of the 4Ti body, and I didn't want to apply any more torque than which I was able to do with my right thumb. Btw, I'd like to arise a question rarely discussed in this list, but mentioned here: So far, it only happened once with my OM 4 body: When attaching PBG2 + T32 + Winder2 +TTL Cable + Shutter release cable from PBG2 and Winder2. camera went mad and the red spot meter light and the self timer red light started to blink quickly, and shutter wouldn't fire. Disconnected the short cable between PBG2 and winder, and it calmed down. Next time I used the same setup, I did so with all switches turned off (winder2, T32), and this behavior didn't repeat. But I still find something odd, maybe idiosyncratic of the plain 4, and it puzzles me: When I turn the Auto-Manual lever to Battery Check, both the Spot red light and the viewfinder's Flash Ready red light (bottom-right in the display), turn On before the Self Timer red light turns on and beep. That is, before the lever reaches the Battery Check position. Another almost unimportant issue is that the beep sound when removing the lens is almost inaudible in the 4 compared to the 4Ti Last, I found another issue which I found surprising and somehow annoying: With no lens mounted, and meter On on both the 4 and 4Ti - they turned Off as expected, but the 4 meter will not turn On again when pressing the Shutter Release button, while the 4Ti will. I lost one Velvia 50 frame pressing the Shutter button more than what necessary, and in this country you find Velvia nowhere! :-) Every Velvia 24*36mm area is too valuable :-) To make the 4 meter to turn On, I should either move the lever to Battery Check, or (this I don't recall to well, so not sure about) press the viewfinder display illumination button. Just spreading the news, in case these 'confusional states' could harm the circuit. Fernando. John Hermanson wrote: > Caps are identical threads, and you should have ONLY chrome battery caps > on your plain 4, 4T and 4Ti. NO BLACK BATTERY CAPS PLEASE> > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> Well, it was quite foreseeable that I would start a thread like this one >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 03:44:47 2009 Received: (qmail 17897 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 01:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 01:44:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F38E182CB for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995FEE240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963F034AC026 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:44:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A40C34AC023 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:44:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090707014439.CGXC12338.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 21:44:39 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Cpkg1c0014Z9Gks02pkgRe; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:44:40 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bZN9Gp2Z1CSo5J04JHoA:9 a=p1xeQ1exzwkWAZY4W4YoPW3-qr0A:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4D75DA.5050305@adinet.com.uy> <4A527CB5.60009@verizon.net> <4A52A7AE.50307@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:44:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 03:44:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52a88f281487801554290 If one wanted the black cap just for looks, couldn't one take a black cap and clean the threads of paint using something like a wire brush in a dremel tool? Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 04:34:04 2009 Received: (qmail 27408 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 02:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 02:34:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8848AE182EA for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42C2E240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB203610002 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:33:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AB834AC02B for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:33:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-web15-z01 ([10.127.132.106]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090707023356332.VJXE8326@cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com>; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:33:56 +0000 Message-ID: <20090707023356.PL59W.346628.root@cdptpa-web15-z01> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:33:56 -0400 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A528F21.4070105@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: Cc: Chuck Norcutt Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 04:34:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52b41c241153900897491 I think I'm convinced. The D3 holds incredible detail in the shadows, and it's not bringing out the detail that usually worries me, but rather avoiding the milky look that incorrectly applied shadow/highlight control can create. The extra sliders help, and I usually make good use of them. (Can't recall their exact names now because I'm at work and don't have CS$ available.) As a rule, I like to adjust exposure for the shadows, and bring down the highlights rather than delving into shadow detail, but the controls are getting better, and I'm a little more adept than I used to be. http://www.bwp33.com/page16/files/page16-1006-full.html Is an example of fiddling with shadow.highlight. I selected the hat and brought down the highlights, and then selected the face and brought up the shadows. The original was pretty crappy. The adjusted version looks pretty good, if I do say so myself. It took a while, well, more than a minute or two, but I think it worked out fairly well. Another shot I spent some effort on is "About That No Muffler Thing." The deputy's face was heavily shadowed, but came out nicely with shadow/highlight. Sometimes I have to use that extra contrast slider int he control to help work out the milky look. Right subject and not too much fiddling necessary and it works pretty well. Hard to detect, in fact. I suspect the control over selection could be much more precise if using a pen and tablet, but I haven't progressed that far yet. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com ---- Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > But if the camera offers one stop of shadow > detail via shadow/highlight it may be the safest and most effective > course for many situations. > > Dr. (sometimes) Flash -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 07:02:48 2009 Received: (qmail 6554 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 05:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 05:02:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AA3E182B3 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E64E240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4309E3610001 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:02:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F72F34AC026 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:02:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24320 invoked by uid 502); 7 Jul 2009 05:02:39 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jul 2009 05:02:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4A52D6E5.1050109@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:02:29 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 07:02:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52d6f8258012013633067 A quite positive, almost glowing review of the E-620 just posted on dpreview. The first time those folks have found a 4/3 camera to have IQ on a par with the similar level APS sized competition. I haven't read through in detail yet. If the imaging system of the E-P1, as indicated elsewhere, is essentially the same, it is good indeed. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 07:34:30 2009 Received: (qmail 7477 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 05:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 05:34:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24880E182EE for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8586BE240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1F33610002 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:34:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD4A34AC026 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:34:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp00.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp00.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 206.red-79-147-169.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([79.147.169.206]:64570 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay00.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.40]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1MO3Jr-0006bM-28 (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:34:20 +0000 Message-Id: <61602B6C-1F05-4C1E-AD6E-484481636958@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <000b01c9fd61$69c0fc40$3d42f4c0$@com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:34:18 +0200 References: <4A4FE237.3172.242E11D@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A4FAC14.8010208@gmail.com> <028A050B-B94E-4D50-9C89-72353020354E@roadrunner.com> <4A502310.5060804@gmail.com> <425C66C3-CDBA-4587-8C2B-87511D374EA5@roadrunner.com> <000b01c9fd61$69c0fc40$3d42f4c0$@com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Are white cameras becoming fashionable ? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 07:34:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52de66325871612113968 Right, 4400 GBP - I paid less than half that for my unfashionable black one when Leica UK had their rebates. No impact on picture quality. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Jul 5, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/images/img003-a.jpg > > Nathan, you'll need to upgrade (should attract more senoritas) ! > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 07:36:33 2009 Received: (qmail 5315 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 05:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 05:36:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC17E182B8 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC27EE240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC87534AC02D for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:36:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D15134AC02C for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:36:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so3665215fxm.14 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:36:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.129 with SMTP id z1mr5344730bkq.67.1246944985940; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:36:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A52D6E5.1050109@gmail.com> References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> <4A52D6E5.1050109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 00:36:25 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 88825259a6daa51b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 07:36:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52dee1236019752976205 I guess it's easy for dpreview to be "excited" about the E-620. If it wasn't for Olympus, they wouldn't have anything to review this year. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 07:43:18 2009 Received: (qmail 24661 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 05:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 05:43:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D08E182B2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01F2E240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE6434AC026 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:43:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6648A34AC023 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:43:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FAE4615F3 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:06:47 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:43:08 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 07:43:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52e076252324877110844 Well done, Bill! That's a pretty classy selection. Chris On 4 Jul 2009, at 04:15, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > I was just notified today of the inclusion of two of my images in the > Plastic Fantastic exhibit of the Texas Photographic Society. Mine > are the > first two of the 52 selected. Images made with a Diana + camera > and HP 5. > Silver Gelatin prints. Bill Barber > > _http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/_ > (http://www.lostcanuck.com/studio/exhibitions/fant/) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 07:44:49 2009 Received: (qmail 29777 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 05:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 05:44:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D6FE182E1 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8693AE240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FF719F9B3 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:44:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01B919F988 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:44:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3338 invoked by uid 502); 7 Jul 2009 05:44:40 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jul 2009 05:44:40 -0000 Message-ID: <4A52E0C2.3030009@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:44:34 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 07:44:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52e0d1144995683411216 Ken Norton wrote: > > Shame about the sensor, otherwise I agree--the E-3 rocks. Unfortunately, where I push the E-1, the E-3 isn't really much better. (high ISO performance). > {Sound of Moose falling on floor, laughing hysterically} (You had to be there all those years ago when AG and Moose were jousting about the importance of low noise at higher ISOs. AG went E-1, Moose 300D.) > I've been really really trying to shoot the OMs like they are Leicas. I don't know what you mean by that. Perhaps you would care to enlighten me? Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 07:46:27 2009 Received: (qmail 2563 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 05:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 05:46:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F88E182EC for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A50E240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0812A34AC026 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34CC34AC023 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:46:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5322 invoked by uid 502); 7 Jul 2009 05:46:21 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jul 2009 05:46:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:46:15 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 07:46:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52e133151011234514069 Chris Barker wrote: Hey, you're back. Gonna show us pics? :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 07:48:13 2009 Received: (qmail 6558 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 05:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 05:48:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE9FE182E3 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3FDE240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C823B34AC02B for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:48:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7371C34AC026 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:48:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a52e195128; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:48:05 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c7e.3255f1c0 (32914) for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 01:47:59 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 01:47:59 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.200 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 07:48:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52e19d212936107113666 Thank you. Although "Texas Photographic Society" sounds like it might be a little local (well, as little as Texas), it is really has a pretty broad membership. You will notice some entries from the UK in this show. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 07:52:15 2009 Received: (qmail 27179 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 05:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 05:52:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2242E182B8 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08B7E240DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C6534AC026 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:52:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3144434AC023 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:52:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8CD4615FA for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:15:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:52:09 +0100 References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 07:52:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a52e28f66671612113968 Hi Moose Yes, I shall :-). They'll be of tiny girl (new granddaughter, Sophie Elizabeth, hurrah!) and lovely Dartmoor. Later today, perhaps; all is v. busy at present ... Chris On 7 Jul 2009, at 06:46, Moose wrote: > Chris Barker wrote: > > Hey, you're back. Gonna show us pics? :-) > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 11:09:39 2009 Received: (qmail 12710 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 09:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 09:09:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C333AE182ED for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2160AE240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDADA34AC02B for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:09:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8351534AC023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:09:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17073 invoked by uid 502); 7 Jul 2009 09:09:29 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jul 2009 09:09:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5310C2.5070409@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:09:22 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 11:09:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5310d2159221950411718 Chris Barker wrote: > Hi Moose > > Yes, I shall :-). They'll be of tiny girl (new granddaughter, Sophie Elizabeth, hurrah!) Excellent!! Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 11:23:59 2009 Received: (qmail 26937 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 09:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 09:23:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69027E181A3 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B7DE240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E845219E0B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:23:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4CD19E0AD for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:23:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (frank@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out0.tiscali.nl (smtp-out0.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.175]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out0.tiscali.nl with esmtp id 1MO6tz-0002OS-N9 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:23:51 +0200 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:23:40 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 11:23:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53142f188821357919056 Congratulations, grandpa Chris! I thought you had your temporary residence in Scotland, as you mentioned it for a holiday destination earlier this year. But Dartmoor is lovely too. Enjoy, Frank. On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:52:09 +0100, Chris Barker wrote: >Hi Moose > >Yes, I shall :-). They'll be of tiny girl (new granddaughter, Sophie >Elizabeth, hurrah!) and lovely Dartmoor. Later today, perhaps; all is >v. busy at present ... > >Chris > > >On 7 Jul 2009, at 06:46, Moose wrote: > >> Chris Barker wrote: >> >> Hey, you're back. Gonna show us pics? :-) >> >> Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 11:31:04 2009 Received: (qmail 3852 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 09:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 09:31:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D99E181A4 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B1AE240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4371E3618001 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:30:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4A234AC023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:30:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MO70q-0001oi-Ss for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:30:56 +0100 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1MO70q-0006hU-CD for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:30:56 +0100 Message-ID: <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:30:50 +0100 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 11:31:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5315d8288792439112457 Chris Barker wrote: > Hi Moose > > Yes, I shall :-). They'll be of tiny girl (new granddaughter, Sophie > Elizabeth, hurrah!) and lovely Dartmoor. Later today, perhaps; all is > v. busy at present ... > > Chris > Hey, congratulations, you old duffer! That'll be you officially old, now. Dartmoor, eh? Old habits dying hard, or didn't you do survival training there? D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 13:09:04 2009 Received: (qmail 4415 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 11:09:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 11:09:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A0BE182E0 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9704FE240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677D419E327 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:08:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BC419E336 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:08:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3928 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jul 2009 11:08:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jul 2009 11:08:53 -0000 Message-ID: <4A532CC3.7010205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:08:51 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> <4A52D6E5.1050109@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A52D6E5.1050109@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090706-0, 07/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 13:09:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a532cd037461357919056 I noticed that too. The fully articulating screen caught my attention as it sure is nice for macro stuff. It makes me wonder how the E-620 would compare for day-to-day use with the Panasonic DMC-G1. The G1 is actually rated slightly higher but I suppose more than anything it may all boil down to EVF vs small viewfinder. Unfortunately, there's probably no place within 100 miles where I could see either one of them. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > A quite positive, almost glowing review of the E-620 just posted on > dpreview. > > The first time those folks have found a 4/3 camera to have IQ on a par > with the similar level APS sized competition. I haven't read through in > detail yet. > > If the imaging system of the E-P1, as indicated elsewhere, is > essentially the same, it is good indeed. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 13:11:25 2009 Received: (qmail 9719 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 11:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 11:11:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8B2E182DD for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DE0E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C788534AC023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:11:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A8E34AC026 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:11:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp01.jazztel.es (smtp01.jazztel.es [62.14.3.170]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.16.47] (helo=webmail1.jazznet.es) by smtp01.jazztel.es with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MO8Zu-0001Vh-47 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:11:14 +0200 Received: from 9.208.165.83.static.mundo-r.com (9.208.165.83.static.mundo-r.com [83.165.208.9]) by webmail.jazznet.es (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:11:13 +0200 Message-ID: <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:11:13 +0200 From: David Irisarri To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Originating-IP: 83.165.208.9 X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: =?iso-8859-1?b?VmVyc2nDs24=?= en texto del mensaje X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 13:11:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a532d5d190611560218263 Hi all, Recently I asked for some good rechargeable batts for using them in my = new Olympus flash FL-50R. This last weekend (4th July) I went to the = wedding and I would like to share some pictures with you and comment = some doubts I have about exposure, clipped highlights, shadows, etc... Firstly I used the camera outside the church with daylight synchro = flash (superFP) I always used my E-1 in A mode and I adjusted flash to superFP. I am aware of exposure troubleshooting when shooting to blacks as the = camera overexposes if the suit of the subject is black. Despite E-1 = RAW exposure latitute is good, some highlights are burnt and cannot be = recovered. I normally use exposure compensation to avoid this issue = but shooting very quick to many people drive me mad changing exposure = compensation according to the suit. It was a cloudy/sunny day, so the = sun was appearing and disappearing very fast so it was certainly very = tricky and risky to use the camera in manual mode. This issue in my = E-1 drives me mad. Matrix metering IMHO doen=B4t work properly so I = wonder if E-3 or any E camera has highlight priority and can be used = in combination with superFP mode. I don=B4t mind working with RAW files = after in my computer but I need always to keep the highlights safe. I = would appreciate your ideas, tips and tricks here. I would appreciate = all your comments. >> Photos have been loaded in 1280x960. Use loupe for enlarging the = >> photo inside Google Picasa or simply download the picture to your = >> computer and load them into PS (much better). ICC profile is srgb = >> with BPC<< Photo n=BA 0001=A0=A0 =A0Exposure was perfect. No blacks here so the camera= = worked flawlessly. Highlights were kept inside the dynamic range. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/rPM83J9f6q2iX0qmVjBRuQ?authkey=3DGv1sR= gCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink Photo n=BA0002=A0=A0 =A0Here the white wall helped the exposure meter not t= o = overexpose despite of the dark suit. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/XXkq5Kt3FQrH1aGwlQ8XrA?authkey=3DGv1sR= gCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink Photo n=BA0003=A0=A0 =A0Here the sky was burnt (obviously) but the guy=B4s = head = on the left is burnt and detail cannot be recovered. I hate this = issue! Does anybody know E-3 performance? Can highlight priory be = activated to avoid this issue? I have heard E-3 RAW darkroom is worse = than E-1 performance with RAW developers. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/lSgAHVOm7MSIM1Z1-MGYgw?authkey=3DGv1sR= gCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink Photo n=BA0004=A0=A0 =A0In this picture both of them are burnt and highligh= t = detail cannot be rescued back. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/AGc5prrMKHJDrT_qtWXntw?authkey=3DGv1sR= gCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink Photo n=BA0005=A0=A0 =A0Here, I wanted to shoot a picture backlight and wit= h = fill in with flash. Something similar what I do in the studio with = hair light but again detail in the guy=B4s head is lost. is there any = solution to control the light more precisely? Maybe liveview help you = to see in real time the histogram. The main problem here was I had to = take the pictures in the middle of the photographers and you haven=B4t = got space and time. This is driving me mad! http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/SmQMjpOv9tZYsQ13luDxPw?authkey=3DGv1sR= gCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink Photo n=BA0006=A0=A0 =A0Here the sun is again spoiling detail in here face. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/YCObb21MOQQlEVa2kb7YmQ?authkey=3DGv1sR= gCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink Photo n=BA0007 & 0008=A0=A0 =A0If sun doesn=B4t appear, everything works fi= ne. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/U626Dw1XDKDYnv2UwTLhkw?authkey=3DGv1sR= gCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/qxwdDjbJM2fLXhZ9VIkqRw?authkey=3DGv1sR= gCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink I=B4ll add more pictures for asking for some questions regarding to = FL-50R flash. Warmest regards, Dave. pd: I took 380 pictures with (8) SANYO ENELOOP batts. I=B4ll add more = information later. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2007 Jazztel - Jazz Telecom, S.A.U. http://www.jazztel.com Antes de imprimir este e-mail piense bien si es necesario hacerlo. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 13:22:38 2009 Received: (qmail 997 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 11:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 11:22:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB2DE182E6 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE043E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990C134AC028 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:22:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3329334AC023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:22:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12671 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jul 2009 11:22:30 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090706-0, 07/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 13:22:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a532ffe51481234514069 Eh? It must be that you just don't read them. For DSLRs and other large sensor cameras they've done 3 Olympus this year plus 2 Canon, 2 Nikon, 2 Pentax, the Panasonic DMC-G1 plus a bunch of P&S and superzoom cameras plus lens tests. Nothing to review? Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > I guess it's easy for dpreview to be "excited" about the E-620. If it wasn't > for Olympus, they wouldn't have anything to review this year. > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 13:26:13 2009 Received: (qmail 26438 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 11:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 11:26:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253A5E18228 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0A2E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF7D34AC023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:26:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2946E34AC024 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:26:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15078 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jul 2009 11:26:04 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jul 2009 11:26:04 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5330CB.8060605@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:26:03 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> <4A52E0C2.3030009@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A52E0C2.3030009@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090706-0, 07/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 13:26:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5330d4211771342116753 Perhaps he has attached an E-P1 17mm viewfinder to his hot shoe for use with his 35/2.8. :-) Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Ken Norton wrote: >> Shame about the sensor, otherwise I agree--the E-3 rocks. >> Unfortunately, where I push the E-1, the E-3 isn't really much >> better. (high ISO performance). >> > > {Sound of Moose falling on floor, laughing hysterically} (You had to > be there all those years ago when AG and Moose were jousting about > the importance of low noise at higher ISOs. AG went E-1, Moose 300D.) > > >> I've been really really trying to shoot the OMs like they are >> Leicas. > > I don't know what you mean by that. Perhaps you would care to > enlighten me? > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 13:27:13 2009 Received: (qmail 7759 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 11:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 11:27:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E1FE182E5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8646E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC98B34AC024 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675DF34AC023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15764 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jul 2009 11:27:07 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jul 2009 11:27:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4A53310A.6080403@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:27:06 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090706-0, 07/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 13:27:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a533111138505368819438 Congratulations, gramps. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Hi Moose > > Yes, I shall :-). They'll be of tiny girl (new granddaughter, Sophie > Elizabeth, hurrah!) and lovely Dartmoor. Later today, perhaps; all is > v. busy at present ... > > Chris > > > On 7 Jul 2009, at 06:46, Moose wrote: > >> Chris Barker wrote: >> >> Hey, you're back. Gonna show us pics? :-) >> >> Moose > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 13:30:02 2009 Received: (qmail 22295 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 11:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 11:30:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59520E1822C for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E516E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0610234AC02A for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:29:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9E534AC023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:29:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oldspeckledhen@mac.com whitelisted) Received: from asmtpout021.mac.com (asmtpout021.mac.com [17.148.16.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:29:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from spool002.mac.com ([10.150.69.52]) by asmtp021.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KME003EMT9IQL70@asmtp021.mac.com> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail050 ([10.13.128.50]) by spool002.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KME00FAOT9K2960@spool002.mac.com> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:29:44 +0100 From: Nicolas Mitchell To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Message-id: <118416786404460912074864495830952544563-Webmail@me.com> Received: from [192.168.16.27] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:29:44 +0100 Received: from [ 213.2.66.226] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:29:44 +0100 X-Originating-IP: 192.168.16.27, 213.2.66.226 Subject: [OM] Zuiko 21mm f3.5/f2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 13:30:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5331b918012013633067 By Toutatis!, they're expensive. Nic -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 13:58:58 2009 Received: (qmail 9950 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 11:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 11:58:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90088E182AE for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C8BE240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE5D34AC023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:58:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D45C34AC026 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:58:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com (mail-gx0-f207.google.com [209.85.217.207]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so7238548gxk.14 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:58:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.227.18 with SMTP id z18mr10425787ang.67.1246967928873; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:58:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:58:46 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907070458g2eb268d2ydefc8d7bbad310c1@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 13:58:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a533882278201076813867 On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Nathan wrote: > >> Be weak, this is a great deal. Although I have gone back to the true >> faith of Leica, I think the E3 (which I still have) is the nicest DSLR >> out there, all things considered. >> > > > Shame about the sensor, otherwise I agree--the E-3 rocks. =A0Unfortunatel= y, > where I push the E-1, the E-3 isn't really much better. =A0(high ISO > performance). Sorry? E-3 isn't really much better at high ISO than the E-1? Still running on the fumes of denial I see. We need a serious get-together. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 14:18:32 2009 Received: (qmail 4164 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 12:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 12:18:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE3CE182CA for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 05:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E5BE240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 05:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B0919E4FD for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 05:18:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED94919E4EC for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 05:18:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 05:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so2019458anc.35 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:18:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.10.15 with SMTP id 15mr10616784anj.8.1246969101403; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:18:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A52D6E5.1050109@gmail.com> References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> <4A52D6E5.1050109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:18:21 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907070518g7575faa9y8fc1cc0c8f76479@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 14:18:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a533d18304531560218263 On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Moose wrote: > A quite positive, almost glowing review of the E-620 just posted on > dpreview. RAW development in CaptureOne or ACR only, as usual. Blah. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 15:07:05 2009 Received: (qmail 14162 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 13:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 13:07:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD33BE181A4 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639EDE240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FA919E6A8 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:07:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95F619E6B9 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:06:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 22 days 17:31:16 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-51-175.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.51.175]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n67D6oNN006692 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:06:50 -0300 Message-ID: <4A534870.4010602@adinet.com.uy> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:06:56 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 15:07:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a534879143061357919056 Congratulations, Chris ! :-) Officially old, perhaps only officially. Now is when your strength and wisdom will show they have doubled, at least. Dartmoor? Cheers, Fernando. Donald wrote: > Chris Barker wrote: > >> Hi Moose >> >> Yes, I shall :-). They'll be of tiny girl (new granddaughter, Sophie >> Elizabeth, hurrah!) and lovely Dartmoor. Later today, perhaps; all is >> v. busy at present ... >> >> Chris >> >> > > Hey, congratulations, you old duffer! > > That'll be you officially old, now. > > Dartmoor, eh? Old habits dying hard, or didn't you do survival training > there? > > D. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 15:15:16 2009 Received: (qmail 13471 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 13:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 13:15:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27A1E182EC for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DA6E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6531334AC026 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:15:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275C434AC024 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:15:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.232.132.150]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KME005PXY4UWEF3@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:14:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A534A4E.4030408@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:14:54 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] The Revolt X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 15:15:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a534a64278001744846740 and the 2S can show off with some exotic shutter sounds. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ken Norton wrote: > It has begun. There is a revolt in the camera bags. The digitals are > outnumbered and it isn't looking good for them right now. The OM-2S has > flexed some muscles and has stated the case for inclusion. If one is that > insistent, well... > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 15:34:51 2009 Received: (qmail 3481 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 13:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 13:34:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF572E182B5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CC5E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9957234AC02A for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:34:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064CE34AC024 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:34:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so3898916fxm.14 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:34:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.67.141 with SMTP id r13mr5801620bki.166.1246973682633; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:34:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A534A4E.4030408@verizon.net> References: <4A534A4E.4030408@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:34:42 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 22b73bc977652fef Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] The Revolt X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 15:34:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a534efb198641744846740 > > and the 2S can show off with some exotic shutter sounds. > That's so true. All three OMs have distinctly different sounds. The OM-3Ti has that sexy 900-number voice, the OM-4T has the metallic "ting" that seems to echo on for a while, and the OM-2S has the longest duration sound of them all with a clicka-tunka-thunk. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 15:37:08 2009 Received: (qmail 3638 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 13:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 13:37:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B07FE182B5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F223DE240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35A934AC026 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:37:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FCC34AC024 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:37:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz11 with SMTP id 11so1075658bwz.14 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:37:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.103.145 with SMTP id k17mr5735685bko.79.1246973821023; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:37:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907070518g7575faa9y8fc1cc0c8f76479@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> <4A52D6E5.1050109@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0907070518g7575faa9y8fc1cc0c8f76479@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:37:01 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b12024329dbf033f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 15:37:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a534f83193281413256596 > > RAW development in CaptureOne or ACR only, as usual. Blah. > Yes. Take a hint, folks! When the JPEGs are better than the RAWs, just maybe the RAW converter of choice actually sucks. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 15:44:20 2009 Received: (qmail 16634 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 13:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 13:44:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44084E181A4 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D355E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F33234AC024 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:44:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376F934AC023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:44:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so3905058fxm.14 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:44:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.53.1 with SMTP id k1mr5830103bkg.125.1246974252735; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:44:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907070458g2eb268d2ydefc8d7bbad310c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> <9e908c1f0907070458g2eb268d2ydefc8d7bbad310c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:44:12 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b44cd7009569c866 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 15:44:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a535134191859752976205 > > Sorry? E-3 isn't really much better at high ISO than the E-1? Still > running on the fumes of denial I see. We need a serious get-together. > LOL, yes just a hint of denial. Just a hint.... Seriously, I am extremely pleased with the high-ISO images I see from the E-3 except for one issue. There is visible banding with the E-3 where my E-1 remains random-noise without the banding. But ISO 1600 is very usable whereas ISO 800 is the practical limit with the E-1, except in really aweful light. At issue for me, is that I can work with random-noise patterns, but the banding is pretty much a show-stopper. Yet, I will admit to a terminal case of camera-envy whenever I get together with a photo buddy here who has a full-blown E-3 kit. That new-generation 50-200 is sweet. I do prefer my 14-54 over the 12-60, but mostly because of lens weight, not technical. To keep the camera-envy in check, I pull out the OM-3Ti with 35-80 attached, show it to my buddy and say "check out that viewfinder". Works every time. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 15:45:34 2009 Received: (qmail 6272 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 13:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 13:45:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1D0E182DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A119EE240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6A334AC028 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:45:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314CC34AC023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:45:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090707134529.ISEM4885.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:45:29 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id D1lU1c0044Z9Gks021lUd8; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:45:28 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=paeWzTSyjNqlAjGvLKIA:9 a=HOpnjpP4Hj5ug_jd-Ev8buCCE1kA:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <931BFEFA95F3487ABF6F5F995E3342B5@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> <4A52D6E5.1050109@gmail.com> <4A532CC3.7010205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:45:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 15:45:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53517e129331258626592 . Unfortunately, there's > probably no place within 100 miles where I could see either one of them. > Chuck , Count yourself lucky. There's probably no place within a thousand where I can see either. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 15:53:16 2009 Received: (qmail 30864 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 13:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 13:53:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115BBE182E5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653A7E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DCF19E799 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:53:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7930219E51E for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:53:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so3910991fxm.14 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:53:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.103.145 with SMTP id k17mr5749344bko.79.1246974789296; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:53:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:53:09 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5ce2b3b768e6bf15 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 15:53:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53534c68581879814018 The blown-highlight shots are still OK. Don't be so hard on yourself. Hair-impaired scalps in bright sunlight are similar to chrome bumpers. About the only way to eliminate the highlights there is to pat his head down with pancake makeup. I'm not one who is opposed to burnt highlights. Within the album they are just fine and they are what they are. You got the facial expressions and the timing looks good. Those are the things that really matter. A bright spot on somebody's head isn't going to make or break the photo. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 16:45:22 2009 Received: (qmail 17479 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 14:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 14:45:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EE2E182AF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBF9E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A95519E9C0 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:45:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6CF19E9C5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:45:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5642 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jul 2009 14:45:08 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Jul 2009 14:45:08 -0000 Message-ID: <4A535F73.2040108@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:45:07 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> In-Reply-To: <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090706-0, 07/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 16:45:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a535f8258041076813867 I think maybe you need some friends with more hair! :-) Seriously, I was a bit intrigued by this shot The highlights on the man's head are not actually blown but, instead of = being extremely bright skin tone it is extremely bright gray (RGB all =3D = 249). The brightness levels of the individual channels have become so = compressed that any attempt to lower it just returns a noticeable gray = tone. A bit more distressing it the same lack of color channel = differentiation in the woman's hair. There the color channels are not = so close to blown but are still gray (RGB all =3D 236). The only way I = have found to fix these photos (short of painting or cloning) is to = select the area to be fixed with the magic wand and then adjust just the = highlights end of the individual RGB channels downward by differing = amounts and proportional to the surrounding colors. Did you shoot this in raw? If so can you send me a copy? As to proper exposure outside of direct sun as in the last two shots I = don't quite agree. I think there is a bit too much flash exposure since the background is = slightly underexposed. However, I should say that some people think = this is fine and you often find it in advertising photos but I don't = like it since it looks unnatural. "Fixing" this may require turning FP = flash off since it requires a different ratio between aperture and = shutter speed. A slower shutter speed will increase the ambient = contribution to brighten the background and a smaller aperture or lower = power will decrease the flash. As to handling exposure between sun and shade with clouds coming and = going it's really only a matter of having two different exposure = settings so manual exposure control is really not that daunting. But = short of that I would advise you to go back to at least a -1/3 stop = exposure adjustment since it appears that the camera does not deal well = with bright scenes that are only near the upper range and not over it. But lets see the raw files before passing final judgement. Chuck Norcutt David Irisarri wrote: > Hi all, > = > Recently I asked for some good rechargeable batts for using them in my = > new Olympus flash FL-50R. This last weekend (4th July) I went to the = > wedding and I would like to share some pictures with you and comment = > some doubts I have about exposure, clipped highlights, shadows, etc... > = > Firstly I used the camera outside the church with daylight synchro = > flash (superFP) > I always used my E-1 in A mode and I adjusted flash to superFP. > I am aware of exposure troubleshooting when shooting to blacks as the = > camera overexposes if the suit of the subject is black. Despite E-1 = > RAW exposure latitute is good, some highlights are burnt and cannot be = > recovered. I normally use exposure compensation to avoid this issue = > but shooting very quick to many people drive me mad changing exposure = > compensation according to the suit. It was a cloudy/sunny day, so the = > sun was appearing and disappearing very fast so it was certainly very = > tricky and risky to use the camera in manual mode. This issue in my = > E-1 drives me mad. Matrix metering IMHO doen=B4t work properly so I = > wonder if E-3 or any E camera has highlight priority and can be used = > in combination with superFP mode. I don=B4t mind working with RAW files = > after in my computer but I need always to keep the highlights safe. I = > would appreciate your ideas, tips and tricks here. I would appreciate = > all your comments. > = >>> Photos have been loaded in 1280x960. Use loupe for enlarging the = >>> photo inside Google Picasa or simply download the picture to your = >>> computer and load them into PS (much better). ICC profile is srgb = >>> with BPC<< > = > Photo n=BA 0001 Exposure was perfect. No blacks here so the camera = > worked flawlessly. Highlights were kept inside the dynamic range. > = > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/rPM83J9f6q2iX0qmVjBRuQ?authkey=3DGv1= sRgCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink > = > Photo n=BA0002 Here the white wall helped the exposure meter not to = > overexpose despite of the dark suit. > = > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/XXkq5Kt3FQrH1aGwlQ8XrA?authkey=3DGv1= sRgCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink > = > Photo n=BA0003 Here the sky was burnt (obviously) but the guy=B4s head= = > on the left is burnt and detail cannot be recovered. I hate this = > issue! Does anybody know E-3 performance? Can highlight priory be = > activated to avoid this issue? I have heard E-3 RAW darkroom is worse = > than E-1 performance with RAW developers. > = > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/lSgAHVOm7MSIM1Z1-MGYgw?authkey=3DGv1= sRgCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink > = > Photo n=BA0004 In this picture both of them are burnt and highlight = > detail cannot be rescued back. > = > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/AGc5prrMKHJDrT_qtWXntw?authkey=3DGv1= sRgCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink > = > Photo n=BA0005 Here, I wanted to shoot a picture backlight and with = > fill in with flash. Something similar what I do in the studio with = > hair light but again detail in the guy=B4s head is lost. is there any = > solution to control the light more precisely? Maybe liveview help you = > to see in real time the histogram. The main problem here was I had to = > take the pictures in the middle of the photographers and you haven=B4t = > got space and time. This is driving me mad! > = > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/SmQMjpOv9tZYsQ13luDxPw?authkey=3DGv1= sRgCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink > = > Photo n=BA0006 Here the sun is again spoiling detail in here face. > = > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/YCObb21MOQQlEVa2kb7YmQ?authkey=3DGv1= sRgCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink > = > Photo n=BA0007 & 0008 If sun doesn=B4t appear, everything works fine. > = > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/U626Dw1XDKDYnv2UwTLhkw?authkey=3DGv1= sRgCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink > = > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/qxwdDjbJM2fLXhZ9VIkqRw?authkey=3DGv1= sRgCLfr7sHUorSkOQ&feat=3Ddirectlink > = > I=B4ll add more pictures for asking for some questions regarding to = > FL-50R flash. > = > Warmest regards, > = > Dave. > = > pd: I took 380 pictures with (8) SANYO ENELOOP batts. I=B4ll add more = > information later. > = > = > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > 2007 Jazztel - Jazz Telecom, S.A.U. http://www.jazztel.com > Antes de imprimir este e-mail piense bien si es necesario hacerlo. > = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 16:52:20 2009 Received: (qmail 11680 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 14:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 14:52:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E21BE182CA for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3B8E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3511919E8E0 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:52:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD8519E92B for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:52:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11871 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jul 2009 14:52:13 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090706-0, 07/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 16:52:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53612498341879814018 Doesn't matter. Both are "equally" far from a practical standpoint. Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > . Unfortunately, there's >> probably no place within 100 miles where I could see either one of them. >> > Chuck , > > Count yourself lucky. There's probably no place within a thousand where I > can see either. > > Bill Pearce > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 16:58:07 2009 Received: (qmail 30110 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 14:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 14:58:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37193E181AE for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DA2E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7379134AC024 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:58:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DA434AC026 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:58:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.7862) for ; 08 Jul 2009 00:57:56 +1000 Message-ID: <000.18f001008355534a.011@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "OM List" Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:02:43 +1000 (EST) Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.27.1397) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Oly Pen FT X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 16:58:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53627f31715683411216 @#$%$ They found it, eby item 260441289668 Cheers Ian Manners I am Elmer Fudd of Borg. Pwepawe to be Assimiwated. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 16:58:55 2009 Received: (qmail 351 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 14:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 14:58:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464A7E182B1 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91947E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8068519EA07 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:58:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9791319E9F8 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:58:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so3955517fxm.14 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:58:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.63.147 with SMTP id b19mr4328253bki.132.1246978726125; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:58:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <931BFEFA95F3487ABF6F5F995E3342B5@SueHome> References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> <4A52D6E5.1050109@gmail.com> <4A532CC3.7010205@chucknorcutt.com> <931BFEFA95F3487ABF6F5F995E3342B5@SueHome> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:58:46 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 049926631ab767c7 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 16:58:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5362af280611234514069 Just check your local Best Buy. They've been doing a relatively good job of keeping the latest/greatest E-bodies in stock. Reminds me... On Friday I had to buy one of my daughters a new bicycle. I knew what I wanted (specifications and features) and how much was reasonable to spend. I was very specifically looking for the "sweet spot" bicycle--the one which makes up 90% of all bike sales by volume. I used to be a sales rep for a bicycle company so I know this segment well. (low profit margin--maybe $50 at most, but make up for it in accessory sales). I would have bought locally, but the bicycles in that category were literally $150 higher than my desired price. So, over to Iowa City we go. Within five blocks there are like four bicycle shops, but before going downtown we stopped in at the mall as I wanted to check out GPS units at Scheels. (Scheels is a huge sporting goods store chain). In Scheels I found exactly the bicycle I was looking for at exactly the price I wanted to spend. However, I wanted to do due diligence so downtown we went and stopped at each and every store. In two of them, the sales guys turned up their noses at me and let me know in no uncertain terms that I wasn't worth their time and "can I help you with anything else?" Their lowest cost bicycle was OVER $200 higher than my desired spend point. One of the other stores, the sales lady had the right attitude, but was just out of them because they are such a good seller. (Hmm, take a hint folks--if you sell out of a model, get in more!) After failure to acquire at the dedicated stores, we went back to Scheels and picked the brand, model and COLOR and of bike we wanted and spent far less than budgeted. In fact, we saved enough money that I bought the GPS with the savings. (And no, it was NOT a Huffy). The reason why camera shops don't like stocking lower-cost cameras is because there is little to no money in the sale. If they have to spend 20 minutes with a customer to make the sale, they'd rather do that with a camera which has a $200 profit margin, not a $20 profit margin. That may seem like good business sense--right? Wrong! When a sales person tries to upsell you with camera bags, straps, cleaning products, memory cards, warranties, etc., this is actually quite important to the survival of the business. Most of those items are what we used to call "Keystone Products". A keystone product has a 50% markup. Actually, it's a 100% markup. It's called a 50% markup because if you discount the marked up price by 50% it's the store's purchase price. Try that logic out on your spouse sometime. :) One really needs to be cognisent of the fact that the stores make next to nothing or even lose money on some items and they MUST sell these keystone products to make up for it. When I know I'm buying a low/no margin item I always try to buy something else along with it--it's kinda like tipping at a restaurant--it's rarely what they are hawking, but something else I need or want. I also suggest that the reason why ignoring the $20 profit margin sales is wrong is because each sale is the establishment or continuance of a buyer-seller relationship. The sales people did not know that I know my way around the bike industry a bit and that I have close to $5000 worth of bikes at home. I didn't have the tricked out Cannondale hanging on the Jeep. They didn't realize that in the act of looking for my daughter's bike, I was looking and comparing stuff for myself. It turns out that my buyer-seller relationship with Scheels has now trumped the local store and in eyeball comparision--bikes of identical model, were 20-25% less. And surprise, surprise, they also have an outstanding selection of clothing and accessories! The reason why I state all this is because there is a huge parallel with the camera industry. The camera stores, which are specialist stores have had as a business model prior to the digital revolution, of "the profit is in the lab". The cameras were always considered a "loss leader" to get the customers in the door and keeping them coming back. If you can get them to keep coming back you are much more likely to have them use your lab. But it was critical to get and keep customers--even if all they purchased was a disposable camera. The camera retailer industry has imploded in recent years because with digital, the labs have died from lack of business. Without the labs, the camera store portion of the business has no chance of survival. To make up for this, some remaining stores have decided to cater to a market segment where there is huge profit margin in the equipment and have dumped brands and models which have little margin. Meanwhile, the "big box stores" know exactly where the "sweet spot" is and they are willing to make $20 on a sale because they are making up for it in volume. LOT'S of volume. So in essence, Best Buy has become THE camera store for us. If Best Buy doesn't have it, then you order from B&H. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 16:59:39 2009 Received: (qmail 32481 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 14:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 14:59:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9C0E182CC for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8524CE240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7967534AC02A for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:59:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DD334AC02C for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:59:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18155 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jul 2009 14:59:32 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 16:59:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5362db141136789618724 Although I was a bit intrigued by the lack of color detail in the near, but not completely, blown areas I should have added that I agree with AG on this point. The hair impaired scalp is truly like a chrome bumper. The area that is so bright is small enough that the meter probably doesn't see it. And if you check the histogram you'll find that there are no actual overexposed spots. But the lack of color detail in the channels is still disconcerting. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > The blown-highlight shots are still OK. Don't be so hard on yourself. > Hair-impaired scalps in bright sunlight are similar to chrome bumpers. > About the only way to eliminate the highlights there is to pat his head down > with pancake makeup. > > I'm not one who is opposed to burnt highlights. Within the album they are > just fine and they are what they are. You got the facial expressions and > the timing looks good. Those are the things that really matter. A bright > spot on somebody's head isn't going to make or break the photo. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 17:02:54 2009 Received: (qmail 13379 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 15:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 15:02:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95A1E182DD for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F7BE240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C9934AC02B for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:02:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE81434AC023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:02:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz11 with SMTP id 11so1133490bwz.14 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:02:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.146 with SMTP id i18mr5856741bkg.82.1246978966567; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:02:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A535F73.2040108@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A535F73.2040108@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:02:46 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 38b8b6ce40d5cf5c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 17:02:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53639e161741220213263 > > As to handling exposure between sun and shade with clouds coming and > going it's really only a matter of having two different exposure > settings so manual exposure control is really not that daunting. But > short of that I would advise you to go back to at least a -1/3 stop > exposure adjustment since it appears that the camera does not deal well > with bright scenes that are only near the upper range and not over it. > But lets see the raw files before passing final judgement. > I do tend to slightly underexpose my E-1 shots as I think the colors end up a bit better. The E-1 has useful shadows, which is atypical for digital cameras. I'd rather recover the shadows than fight the highlights. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 17:04:17 2009 Received: (qmail 18693 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 15:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 15:04:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3D9E182C7 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4D1E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4E319EA0F for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:04:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC37E19EA19 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:04:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22711 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jul 2009 15:04:09 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090706-0, 07/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 17:04:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5363f1274341879814018 Why would you assume I have a Best Buy nearby? I don't. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > Just check your local Best Buy. They've been doing a relatively good job of > keeping the latest/greatest E-bodies in stock. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 17:11:14 2009 Received: (qmail 18999 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 15:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 15:11:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA9EE182B5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040FEE240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFB019EA7B for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:11:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19A419EA60 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:11:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz11 with SMTP id 11so1139110bwz.14 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:11:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.63.147 with SMTP id b19mr4339102bki.132.1246979467725; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:11:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5363E9.8020408@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> <4A52D6E5.1050109@gmail.com> <4A532CC3.7010205@chucknorcutt.com> <931BFEFA95F3487ABF6F5F995E3342B5@SueHome> <4A5363E9.8020408@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:11:07 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 380cb344cbb9212f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 17:11:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a536592165221879814018 > > Why would you assume I have a Best Buy nearby? I don't. > And I thought Iowa was uncivilized. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 17:16:02 2009 Received: (qmail 10333 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 15:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 15:16:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FC7E182EE for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844C4E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF3534AC024 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:15:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE0134AC023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:15:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.232.132.150]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMF00HZF3QFCTOX@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:15:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A5366A7.5090608@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:15:51 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 17:16:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5366b283001076813867 That's a type II 1.8, black filter ring, single coated. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > No, it's not the MIJ although they comment that it's multicoated so it's > later rather than earlier. The MIJ name ring just says "ZUIKO" and not > "F.ZUIKO". Also, on the MIJ, the focal length precedes the aperture > whereas this older lens lists the aperture first. > > I just noted test images for the first time and see they're the same > test setup as Imaging Resource. I didn't previously know of the > connection with SLR Gear. > > Chuck Norcutt > > usher99@aol.com wrote: >> http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1279/cat/14 >> >> This isn't the miJ is it? >> Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 17:24:24 2009 Received: (qmail 9308 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 15:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 15:24:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68534E182EF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BC5E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C2034AC026 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:24:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF4034AC02C for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:24:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz11 with SMTP id 11so1147560bwz.14 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.56.4 with SMTP id w4mr5926522bkg.25.1246980256276; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5366A7.5090608@verizon.net> References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5366A7.5090608@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:24:16 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3db8881fd22666e9 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 17:24:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5368a8238861220213263 > > That's a type II 1.8, black filter ring, single coated. > Thanks, John. I didn't think I was off the reservation this time. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 17:40:28 2009 Received: (qmail 24901 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 15:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 15:40:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C75DE182EB for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7CBE240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E00A34AC023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:40:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E993134AC02A for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:40:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.232.132.150]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMF001644V4B1J7@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:40:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A536C61.1090907@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:40:17 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4D75DA.5050305@adinet.com.uy> <4A527CB5.60009@verizon.net> <4A52A7AE.50307@adinet.com.uy> In-reply-to: <4A52A7AE.50307@adinet.com.uy> Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 17:40:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a536c6c139001076813867 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > John, thanks for answering. > > I knew about the chrome battery caps, but had doubts about the motor drive cap: the black cap would not screw until flat on the surface of the 4Ti body, and I didn't want to apply any more torque than which I was able to do with my right thumb. > > Btw, I'd like to arise a question rarely discussed in this list, but mentioned here: > > > So far, it only happened once with my OM 4 body: When attaching PBG2 + T32 + Winder2 +TTL Cable + Shutter release cable from PBG2 and Winder2. > camera went mad and the red spot meter light and the self timer red light started to blink quickly, and shutter wouldn't fire. > Disconnected the short cable between PBG2 and winder, and it calmed down. > Next time I used the same setup, I did so with all switches turned off (winder2, T32), and this behavior didn't repeat. Usually this defect is indicative of loose bottom cover screws. When screws and bottom are loose, this causes intermittent power from the batteries. Remember, the + side of the battery only touches the battery cap, which transmits power through the bottom cover which relies on good contact between bottom cover and main body casting. There are no wires connecting + side of batteries to circuit. Adding PBG2, and winder puts all that extra weight on the bottom and may cause bottom cover to move. > > But I still find something odd, maybe idiosyncratic of the plain 4, and it puzzles me: > When I turn the Auto-Manual lever to Battery Check, both the Spot red light and the viewfinder's Flash Ready red light (bottom-right in the display), turn On before the Self Timer red light turns on and beep. > That is, before the lever reaches the Battery Check position. VF flash ready light should NOT turn on when you use battery check. Somethings wrong here. > > Another almost unimportant issue is that the beep sound when removing the lens is almost inaudible in the 4 compared to the 4Ti Don't know about this. > > Last, I found another issue which I found surprising and somehow annoying: > With no lens mounted, and meter On on both the 4 and 4Ti - they turned Off as expected, but the 4 meter will not turn On again when pressing the Shutter Release button, while the 4Ti will. I lost one Velvia 50 frame pressing the Shutter button more than what necessary, and in this country you find Velvia nowhere! :-) Meter should not relight without lens mounted. > Every Velvia 24*36mm area is too valuable :-) > > To make the 4 meter to turn On, I should either move the lever to Battery Check, or (this I don't recall to well, so not sure about) press the viewfinder display illumination button. Just spreading the news, in case these 'confusional states' could harm the circuit. > > Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 18:01:29 2009 Received: (qmail 25751 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 16:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 16:01:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC65E182D0 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E0CE240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DE034AC037 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:01:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1988B34AC023 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:01:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8733 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jul 2009 16:01:15 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090706-0, 07/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 18:01:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a537159117795683411216 At the moment there is nothing but a Target and a Wal-Mart. There used to be a Circuit City but they're now defunct. Actually, there is a small Best Buy under construction but it will be some time before it's done. The camera store that used to carry SLRs in the 60's, 70's and 80's was finally relegated to just film processing and some accessory items but finally died completely last year due to the digital onslaught. And it's not just cameras. With the Chrysler consolidation there is no longer a Chrysler dealer... in the entire county. Upstate New York (everything that's not New York City, except maybe Buffalo and Albany) is slowly dying and losing population. IBM used to keep things going here but the local presence is now a mere ghost of itself compared to 20 years ago. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Why would you assume I have a Best Buy nearby? I don't. >> > > > And I thought Iowa was uncivilized. > > :) > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 18:10:17 2009 Received: (qmail 21761 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 16:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 16:10:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58AD3E182E5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F412E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242A019EBCC for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:10:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF7319EBCE for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:10:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090707161009.DXHR20709.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:10:09 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id D4A91c00F4Z9Gks024A9uj; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:10:09 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ybss8LRuAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=7X3ljQ_Hjf67BwaXV54A:9 a=hdZwGmCRZm3aHMy8KroA:7 a=IGxgE9_YRE9HcBeXmKBnjpjEmMwA:4 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <6D8B5FFD9D094A4FA09BC776F1CD8AD7@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> <4A52D6E5.1050109@gmail.com> <4A532CC3.7010205@chucknorcutt.com><931BFEFA95F3487ABF6F5F995E3342B5@SueHome> <4A53611D.7070205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:10:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 18:10:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a537369174761136683642 Out here? Not really. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review > Doesn't matter. Both are "equally" far from a practical standpoint. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Sue Pearce wrote: >> . Unfortunately, there's >>> probably no place within 100 miles where I could see either one of them. >>> >> Chuck , >> >> Count yourself lucky. There's probably no place within a thousand where I >> can see either. >> >> Bill Pearce >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.7/2222 - Release Date: 07/07/09 05:53:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 18:10:22 2009 Received: (qmail 29861 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 16:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 16:10:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A92E182F9 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41829E240E0 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D5519EBD6 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:10:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D3519EBD1 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:10:10 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:10:10 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n67GA65f022075 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:10:09 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com><4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk><20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:10:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 18:10:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53736e140816789618724 Years ago, when I was still actively employed, the company photographer threatened to spray my shiny dome with "dulling spray". It has not improved with age. ;-) Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts,etc... > The blown-highlight shots are still OK. Don't be so hard on yourself. > Hair-impaired scalps in bright sunlight are similar to chrome bumpers. > About the only way to eliminate the highlights there is to pat his head > down > with pancake makeup. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 18:14:48 2009 Received: (qmail 29946 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 16:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 16:14:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D3DE182E4 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2797CE240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1723B19E9F6 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:14:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98ED019EBAA for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:14:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090707161443.HVOS12338.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:14:43 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id D4Ei1c00F4Z9Gks024EiJX; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:14:43 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AlTGG89D7x-cpgYU84YA:9 a=82pDwbGnbIIXsbfzN46p9a3lusAA:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <0183892BCA304FDE9C4758C6CEA5DD72@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com><4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com><4A52D6E5.1050109@gmail.com> <4A532CC3.7010205@chucknorcutt.com><931BFEFA95F3487ABF6F5F995E3342B5@SueHome> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:14:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 18:14:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a537478279887801554290 > Just check your local Best Buy. They've been doing a relatively good job > of > keeping the latest/greatest E-bodies in stock. > Our two best buys have not h ad any Olympus DSLRs ever, and I check regularly. Only Canon, Nikon and Sony. They have had the D700 and the 5D, but no A900. They have displayed the D700 as a package with a DX lens! The only place that has had Olympus DSLR;s is one of the office supply places, Depot or Max, can't remember, but that went out with the 300. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 18:18:40 2009 Received: (qmail 620 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 16:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 16:18:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CB5E182D1 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49CDE240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A490E19EC21 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:18:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E617319EBFD for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:18:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.jazztel.es (smtp02.jazztel.es [62.14.3.171]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [87.222.164.71] (helo=mac-pro-de-david-irisarri.local) by smtp02.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MODKY-0000ul-0N for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:15:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4A537556.5000501@mirko2.jazztel.es> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:18:30 +0200 From: David Irisarri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A5362D3.8000207@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A5362D3.8000207@chucknorcutt.com> X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 18:18:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53756083951612113968 Hi all, Thank you for your comments. I think it=B4s certainly very interesting = this topic and I=B4ll back to you as soon as possible. Meanwhile, I am = sending the raw file to Chuck. I know what you mean by grey highlights. I am using highligh compression = (not too much), midtone data expansion and soft shadow (curve) with a = own icc profile (optimized for skin tones, everything created in Profile = Maker) and applying gamma 1.8 (instead of 2.2) for converting linear RAW = and keeping highlight data as much as possible. All data in this = software is calculated in 32 bits/channel floating point CIE LAB color = space. I tried all software packages but posterization was always = present. I fully agree that E-1 has too much detail in the shadows but = if you underexpose using 200 and 400 ISO, noise appears very quicky and = I am not the ones who like applying noise filtering to images. I like = film like pictures. I need a new E-1 with a better Kodak sensor ;)))) Chuck you have a very good eye. ;) Anyway, hope we could continue = talking about this topic as I find it really interesting. Now I must leave. Thanks again for your help. Regards, Dave Chuck Norcutt escribi=F3: > Although I was a bit intrigued by the lack of color detail in the near, = > but not completely, blown areas I should have added that I agree with AG = > on this point. The hair impaired scalp is truly like a chrome bumper. = > The area that is so bright is small enough that the meter probably = > doesn't see it. And if you check the histogram you'll find that there = > are no actual overexposed spots. But the lack of color detail in the = > channels is still disconcerting. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Ken Norton wrote: > = >> The blown-highlight shots are still OK. Don't be so hard on yourself. >> Hair-impaired scalps in bright sunlight are similar to chrome bumpers. >> About the only way to eliminate the highlights there is to pat his head = down >> with pancake makeup. >> >> I'm not one who is opposed to burnt highlights. Within the album they are >> just fine and they are what they are. You got the facial expressions and >> the timing looks good. Those are the things that really matter. A bright >> spot on somebody's head isn't going to make or break the photo. >> >> AG >> = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 18:37:55 2009 Received: (qmail 5669 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 16:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 16:37:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773F6E182DD for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51434E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FA419EC74 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:37:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91CF19EADF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:37:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05F7314098 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C05314009 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A5379DB.8020908@interisland.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:37:47 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090706-0, 07/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 18:37:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5379e3179761744846740 > > ...when half the tractors in the parade were NEWER than the ones he was still using on the farm! Is this what he uses? I think we have the highest per capital Deere density in the country. Also Delorean, Avanti, Shelby Cobra and antique Indy winners. All thanks to deep pocket collectors (and a low population). Nice to see 'em in the parade and around town. You can drive a Cobra for a fee. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 19:11:27 2009 Received: (qmail 7796 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 17:11:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 17:11:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBFEE182F8 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BE3E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6D134AC054 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:11:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C706034AC055 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:11:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([96.232.132.150]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMF00KGI92FV1TO@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:11:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A5381A7.8030506@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:11:03 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4FD4CD.3060902@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4A4FD4CD.3060902@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Gettin' Ready for the Fireworks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 19:11:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5381bf209201744846740 Looks like a splendid time was had by all, Chuck. At the bottom of my index page (www.zuiko.com) is a shot of fireworks from last Saturday night July 4th in the small town of Equinunk, in NE Pennsylvania. N*kon D200, 18-135mm zoom, B @ 5.6. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > My wife and I took a stroll down to the local park where the vendors are > setting up for tonight's July 4th fireworks display. For non-US > residents especially, it shows a little bit of 4th of July Americana... > as practiced in upstate New York at least... but without the fireworks > which are yet to happen. But we will watch them from our front yard > tonight while sitting in our lawn chairs. :-) > > The grassy area shown is normally used for baseball and soccer games > and, on the far side of the field (but not shown) one of the local > area's six famous Alan Herschel carousels. > > > Food shacks shown include "spiedies" (grilled meat marinated in Italian > spices), sausages, lemonade, funnel cakes (batter deep fried in oil and > covered with powdered sugar... in the left hand of the guy with the > backpack standing in front of the "lemon") and southern style barbecued > brisket and pulled pork. > > Also shown: A beautiful senorita with red hair (well, she will be in > about 10 years), sixties rock-n-roll for us sixties type folks and a > Blue Angel formation taken from too far for a 135mm lens (since the > performance was actually being given about 6-8 miles away) > > > > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 19:33:21 2009 Received: (qmail 16810 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 17:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 17:33:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46852E182F3 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B818E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A9934AC07B for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:33:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89FA34AC07C for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:33:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29162 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jul 2009 17:33:11 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090706-0, 07/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Gettin' Ready for the Fireworks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 19:33:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5386e1148721744846740 Hey, nice shot and it even includes the launch. I haven't shot fireworks for many years. Even though I can see the local display very well from my front yard I haven't chosen to take any photos since there are power and telephone lines cutting across the view. Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > Looks like a splendid time was had by all, Chuck. > > At the bottom of my index page (www.zuiko.com) is a shot of fireworks > from last Saturday night July 4th in the small town of Equinunk, in NE > Pennsylvania. N*kon D200, 18-135mm zoom, B @ 5.6. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> My wife and I took a stroll down to the local park where the vendors are >> setting up for tonight's July 4th fireworks display. For non-US >> residents especially, it shows a little bit of 4th of July Americana... >> as practiced in upstate New York at least... but without the fireworks >> which are yet to happen. But we will watch them from our front yard >> tonight while sitting in our lawn chairs. :-) >> >> The grassy area shown is normally used for baseball and soccer games >> and, on the far side of the field (but not shown) one of the local >> area's six famous Alan Herschel carousels. >> >> >> Food shacks shown include "spiedies" (grilled meat marinated in Italian >> spices), sausages, lemonade, funnel cakes (batter deep fried in oil and >> covered with powdered sugar... in the left hand of the guy with the >> backpack standing in front of the "lemon") and southern style barbecued >> brisket and pulled pork. >> >> Also shown: A beautiful senorita with red hair (well, she will be in >> about 10 years), sixties rock-n-roll for us sixties type folks and a >> Blue Angel formation taken from too far for a 135mm lens (since the >> performance was actually being given about 6-8 miles away) >> >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 19:34:40 2009 Received: (qmail 7693 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 17:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 17:34:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71175E182EC for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B331E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599A219EE16 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A72619EE4D for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:34:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30729 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jul 2009 17:34:33 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090706-0, 07/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 19:34:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53873070232439112457 Hey, no fair! It's supposed to drive itself! :-) Chuck Norcutt Mike Lazzari wrote: >> ...when half the tractors in the parade were NEWER than the ones he was still using on the farm! > Is this what he uses? > > > I think we have the highest per capital Deere density in the country. > Also Delorean, Avanti, Shelby Cobra and antique Indy winners. All thanks > to deep pocket collectors (and a low population). Nice to see 'em in the > parade and around town. You can drive a Cobra for a fee. > > > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 19:36:59 2009 Received: (qmail 29224 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 17:36:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACF8E182E2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0981E240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F7119EE5B for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:36:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B92F19EE54 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:36:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 769 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jul 2009 17:36:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 19:36:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5387bb168921234514069 My eyes aren't so good but my levels histogram and other software tools = tell me the true story. Chuck Norcutt David Irisarri wrote: > Hi all, > = > Thank you for your comments. I think it=B4s certainly very interesting = > this topic and I=B4ll back to you as soon as possible. Meanwhile, I am = > sending the raw file to Chuck. > I know what you mean by grey highlights. I am using highligh compression = > (not too much), midtone data expansion and soft shadow (curve) with a = > own icc profile (optimized for skin tones, everything created in Profile = > Maker) and applying gamma 1.8 (instead of 2.2) for converting linear RAW = > and keeping highlight data as much as possible. All data in this = > software is calculated in 32 bits/channel floating point CIE LAB color = > space. I tried all software packages but posterization was always = > present. I fully agree that E-1 has too much detail in the shadows but = > if you underexpose using 200 and 400 ISO, noise appears very quicky and = > I am not the ones who like applying noise filtering to images. I like = > film like pictures. I need a new E-1 with a better Kodak sensor ;)))) > Chuck you have a very good eye. ;) Anyway, hope we could continue = > talking about this topic as I find it really interesting. Now I must leav= e. > = > Thanks again for your help. > = > Regards, > = > Dave > = > = > = > Chuck Norcutt escribi=F3: >> Although I was a bit intrigued by the lack of color detail in the near, = >> but not completely, blown areas I should have added that I agree with AG = >> on this point. The hair impaired scalp is truly like a chrome bumper. = >> The area that is so bright is small enough that the meter probably = >> doesn't see it. And if you check the histogram you'll find that there = >> are no actual overexposed spots. But the lack of color detail in the = >> channels is still disconcerting. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Ken Norton wrote: >> = >>> The blown-highlight shots are still OK. Don't be so hard on yourself. >>> Hair-impaired scalps in bright sunlight are similar to chrome bumpers. >>> About the only way to eliminate the highlights there is to pat his head= down >>> with pancake makeup. >>> >>> I'm not one who is opposed to burnt highlights. Within the album they a= re >>> just fine and they are what they are. You got the facial expressions a= nd >>> the timing looks good. Those are the things that really matter. A brig= ht >>> spot on somebody's head isn't going to make or break the photo. >>> >>> AG >>> = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 19:55:16 2009 Received: (qmail 15091 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 17:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 17:55:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2D2E182E3 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A743CE240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F68534AC07D for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:55:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A08334AC078 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:55:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n67HtAGU032398 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:55:10 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c3e.5013e959 (39330) for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:55:07 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:55:06 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] This isn't Olympus and it is photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 19:55:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a538c04317256107113666 Oh, the shutter will be getting released more often in the future. Congratulations! Bet your will be flying high for awhile, but you do that all the time anyway. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 20:00:58 2009 Received: (qmail 23064 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 18:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 18:00:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A022E182EF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E40CE240B2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FCC19EF26 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:00:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC04A19EF16 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:00:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21246 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jul 2009 18:00:50 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 20:00:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a538d5a124069730998309 Sorry, I got the raw file and there's nothing I can (easily) do for you. = The man's head and a goodly part of the woman's hair are truly blown = in the raw file (all channels at 255) and simple recovery is not = possible. But I did discover something I had not previously known. If = you push exposure to minimum and recovery towards maximum in ACR it will = start reducing the 255 values to lower values. Your complicated process = below must be achieving the same thing as ACR's sliders because that's = what I saw in your JPEG. Once the values are below 255 it's possible to = use curves for individual channels to bring back a sort of pseudo color. = Of course, this has to be done under some sort of selection or mask to = avoid altering the rest of the image and then blended at the perimeter. In the future you can either live with it or keep the negative exposure = adjustment handy. I think the flash was working reasonably well if you = can keep the camera's ambient exposure under control. Chuck Norcutt David Irisarri wrote: > Hi all, > = > Thank you for your comments. I think it=B4s certainly very interesting = > this topic and I=B4ll back to you as soon as possible. Meanwhile, I am = > sending the raw file to Chuck. > I know what you mean by grey highlights. I am using highligh compression = > (not too much), midtone data expansion and soft shadow (curve) with a = > own icc profile (optimized for skin tones, everything created in Profile = > Maker) and applying gamma 1.8 (instead of 2.2) for converting linear RAW = > and keeping highlight data as much as possible. All data in this = > software is calculated in 32 bits/channel floating point CIE LAB color = > space. I tried all software packages but posterization was always = > present. I fully agree that E-1 has too much detail in the shadows but = > if you underexpose using 200 and 400 ISO, noise appears very quicky and = > I am not the ones who like applying noise filtering to images. I like = > film like pictures. I need a new E-1 with a better Kodak sensor ;)))) > Chuck you have a very good eye. ;) Anyway, hope we could continue = > talking about this topic as I find it really interesting. Now I must leav= e. > = > Thanks again for your help. > = > Regards, > = > Dave -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 22:40:18 2009 Received: (qmail 21037 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 20:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 20:40:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368BBE182D4 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A79E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACFE19F2CF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:40:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E8B19F204 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:40:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp01.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp01.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.2]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 194.red-83-40-198.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.40.198.194]:49857 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay01.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.41]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1MOHSM-0001S9-6P (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:40:04 +0000 Message-Id: <8EE2C76D-7884-44D1-A895-ADE421E06F92@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion , Picture a Day discussion group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:40:01 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Four days in Warsaw X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 22:40:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53b2b2225891234514069 I was in Warsaw at the end of June and took lots of pictures. So even though this is a fairly large gallery, with 95 images, it has taken me several days to get it to this point. I try to show the ways in which Warsaw today is a normal European city, but one that carries many scars from the recent and more distant past: http://www.frozenlight.eu/warsaw062009 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 23:10:07 2009 Received: (qmail 25341 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 21:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 21:10:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF53E182E8 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46192E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE4B3648001 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:09:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE3434AC07A for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:09:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz11 with SMTP id 11so1346955bwz.14 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:09:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.61.204 with SMTP id u12mr6186192bkh.149.1247000997223; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:09:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8EE2C76D-7884-44D1-A895-ADE421E06F92@frozenlight.eu> References: <8EE2C76D-7884-44D1-A895-ADE421E06F92@frozenlight.eu> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:09:57 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 86e0437093861f34 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Four days in Warsaw X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 23:10:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53b9af266841234514069 I loved the smiley face. That one senorita has seriously white skin. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 23:17:27 2009 Received: (qmail 6970 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 21:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 21:17:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF825E182D1 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22977E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014E419F45F for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:17:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102EE19F462 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:17:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090707211719.QGOR20709.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:17:19 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id D9HK1c0014Z9Gks029HKUY; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:17:19 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9JxmGo3iAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=LDqxaBNdAAAA:8 a=NfteK4HiAAAA:8 a=frhn-XpgAAAA:8 a=quKL6RvWAAAA:8 a=DlFCntQ8AAAA:8 a=g5nBYyb9AAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=1Wk4RhTVi3bwvJS2ZDkA:9 a=DujKQB9wiFPc-73YKm4A:7 a=Usk6tk4hyWsdNKhIbpvKIUuL13oA:4 a=oIDA__ndP4QA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=0-iWLwhsAPwA:10 a=195g0C2m0iYXcBJH:21 a=HXLbczDn2TfgTwVR:21 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <7D4D7917945A43FB92878C59F2BAC566@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8EE2C76D-7884-44D1-A895-ADE421E06F92@frozenlight.eu> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:17:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Four days in Warsaw X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 23:17:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53bb67311981234514069 Nathan, As always, you have a taste for the ladies, especially those in red. Although I have no direct experience, I'm told that for those that shop for internet brides, Poland is one of the go-to places. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" To: "Leica Users Group" ; ; "Olympus Camera Discussion" ; "Picture a Day discussion group" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 3:40 PM Subject: [OM] IMG: Four days in Warsaw >I was in Warsaw at the end of June and took lots of pictures. So even > though this is a fairly large gallery, with 95 images, it has taken me > several days to get it to this point. I try to show the ways in which > Warsaw today is a normal European city, but one that carries many > scars from the recent and more distant past: > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/warsaw062009 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.7/2222 - Release Date: 07/07/09 05:53:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 23:18:14 2009 Received: (qmail 6934 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 21:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 21:18:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94D1E182DB for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32BEE240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28A219F467 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:18:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A64619F465 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:18:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090707211808.LPXP14338.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:18:08 -0400 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id D9J81c0014Z9Gks029J8wH; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:18:08 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wQuaPWnoU5T1qwoW5RUA:9 a=NJ9SvUoBURTxY5lbjrlWaTnjNMUA:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <3C2CB58CA9BA45E6A3CE51E7DD27E71F@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8EE2C76D-7884-44D1-A895-ADE421E06F92@frozenlight.eu> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:18:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Four days in Warsaw X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 23:18:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53bb96162201234514069 That one senorita has seriously white skin. > Thinsk about it. They have had only about a month of appreciable sun. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 7 23:24:28 2009 Received: (qmail 9737 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 21:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 21:24:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2039E182EA for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683A0E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A2119F476 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:24:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A5319F475 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:24:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KMF00I6IKSLJ471@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:24:21 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-8-148.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.8.148]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:24:21 -0300 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:24:22 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <451935DBCECA4315A0AF46AA7BF009B0@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As8LAJNZU0oYigiU/2dsb2JhbACBS4ksxh8Jg34Fg2I X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,364,1243825200"; d="scan'208";a="519729759" X-EsetScannerBuild: 5211 References: <4A5379DB.8020908@interisland.net> Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 7 23:24:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53bd0c80881744846740 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Lazzari" To: "1" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade > > >> ...when half the tractors in the parade were NEWER than the ones he was >> still using on the farm! > Is this what he uses? > > > I think we have the highest per capital Deere density in the country. > Also Delorean, Avanti, Shelby Cobra and antique Indy winners. All thanks > to deep pocket collectors (and a low population). Nice to see 'em in the > parade and around town. You can drive a Cobra for a fee. An AC Cobra ............. the real thing ....... is what you should really be looking for. Knock offs don't count :-) jh > > > > Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4222 (20090707) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4222 (20090707) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 00:17:29 2009 Received: (qmail 7848 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 22:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 22:17:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3D7E182E6 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6C0E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E437634AC078 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:17:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BC834AC070 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:17:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.238]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n67MHMwb013498 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:17:22 +1000 Message-Id: <200907072217.n67MHMwb013498@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:17:22 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:17:22 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 00:17:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53c979207524877110844 > Ken Norton wrote: > > Those are the things that really matter. A > bright > spot on somebody's head isn't going to make or break the photo. > He should wear a hat ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 00:52:37 2009 Received: (qmail 3021 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 22:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 22:52:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B66E1822B for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764A1E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3BD19FAE4 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:52:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0034719FADA for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:52:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-157-221.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.157.221]:50998 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOJWY-0003QU-5f for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:52:31 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:53:12 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] IMG: Four days in Warsaw Thread-Index: Acn/VbRb8rGOv2tIEd6YRQAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Four days in Warsaw X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 00:52:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53d1b527861357919056 She's supposed to, she's Polish, not Spanish. LOL -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-5101 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 7/7/09 5:09 PM, "Ken Norton" wrote: > I loved the smiley face. That one senorita has seriously white skin. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 01:22:21 2009 Received: (qmail 13394 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 23:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 23:22:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF664E182EE for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2869E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97FF34AC062 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:22:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7546A34AC078 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:22:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a53d89e1ec; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:22:06 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.d31.4e7d1102 (37062) for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-dd01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dd01.mx.aol.com [205.188.84.129]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB048-d3ea4a53d89527; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:22:03 -0400 Received: from webmail-mh07 (webmail-mh07.sim.aol.com [64.12.183.145]) by smtprly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDD016-d3ea4a53d89527; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:21:57 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:21:57 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43735-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-mh07.sysops.aol.com (64.12.183.145) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:21:57 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBCD70DB6AA877-9E0-FA0@webmail-mh07.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 01:22:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53d8ad58404877110844 Thanks John. Is this the older optical design then weighing in at 170gm rather than 165 gm? Perhaps a quick summary of the versions is in order as a refresher. I hope my list membership is not revoked. Mike That's a type II 1.8, black filter ring, single coated. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > No, it's not the MIJ although they comment that it's multicoated so it's > later rather than earlier. The MIJ name ring just says "ZUIKO" and not > "F.ZUIKO". Also, on the MIJ, the focal length precedes the aperture > whereas this older lens lists the aperture first. > > I just noted test images for the first time and see they're the same > test setup as Imaging Resource. I didn't previously know of the > connection with SLR Gear. > > Chuck Norcutt > > usher99@xxxxxxx wrote: >> http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1279/cat/14 >> >> This isn't the miJ is it? >> Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 01:31:43 2009 Received: (qmail 12154 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2009 23:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 23:31:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D50E1822C for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B80CE240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2616934AC070 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:31:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7938F34AC062 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:31:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22119 invoked by uid 504); 7 Jul 2009 23:31:31 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090707-0, 07/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Four days in Warsaw X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 01:31:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a53dade290376107113666 Thanks for the tour. Although I have studied Polish I have never been in Poland. I found Warszawa very interesting but was discouraged by trying to read the signs and the realization that I don't remember much Polish at all. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I was in Warsaw at the end of June and took lots of pictures. So even > though this is a fairly large gallery, with 95 images, it has taken me > several days to get it to this point. I try to show the ways in which > Warsaw today is a normal European city, but one that carries many > scars from the recent and more distant past: > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/warsaw062009 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 03:41:50 2009 Received: (qmail 11645 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 01:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 06:30:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5420df322561413256596 David Irisarri wrote: > ... I am aware of exposure troubleshooting when shooting to blacks as the= camera overexposes if the suit of the subject is black. Despite E-1 RAW ex= posure latitute is good, some highlights are burnt and cannot be = > recovered. = Good relative to what? Relative to many P&S cameras, sure. The E-1 is = 6-7 year old technology in a field where rapid advances have been made. = One of the reasons I bought a 300D, an entry level camera, rather than = the higher end E-1, was noise. Noise is generally the limiting factor in = dynamic range on the low end. More recent Olys, like the E-3, 30 & 620 = have much better total dynamic range than the E-1, as do many models = from other makers. > I normally use exposure compensation to avoid this issue but shooting ver= y quick to many people drive me mad changing exposure compensation accordin= g to the suit. It was a cloudy/sunny day, so the sun was appearing and disa= ppearing very fast so it was certainly very tricky and risky to use the cam= era in manual mode. This issue in my E-1 drives me mad. = With a camera with better dynamic range, you can simply set it at -2/3 = EV and leave it there. That's my default setting on days with direct = sun, or even light overcast in the middle of the day. > Matrix metering IMHO doen=B4t work properly = Again, you are using dated technology and, IMO, incorrect exposure = compensation. > so I wonder if E-3 or any E camera has highlight priority and can be used= in combination with superFP mode. = The E-3, 30 & 620 have spot highlight and shadow buttons, similar to the = OM-4 series (But I think without multiple reading averaging?) > I don=B4t mind working with RAW files after in my computer but I need alw= ays to keep the highlights safe. I would appreciate your ideas, tips and tr= icks here. I would appreciate all your comments. > = As before, negative EV compensation in bright, high contrast situations. = Upgrade to one of the aforementioned newer E-thingies with greater RAW = headroom and dynamic range. >> Photos have been loaded in 1280x960. Use loupe for enlarging the photo i= nside Google Picasa or simply download the picture to your computer and lo= ad them into PS (much better). ICC profile is srgb with BPC<< >> = I didn't find this to be true. When I click on the magnifying glass, I = get a larger image, but it is soft and inferior. Checking Properties = shows it to be scaled up to a larger size by the browser. In most of the following alternative versions, the effects are less = smooth and subtle than I would like. That's partly because they are = attempts to show results of technique, so may tend to overemphasize it. = More, though, it's due to the limitations of working with small, = compressed images, > Photo n=BA 0001 Exposure was perfect. No blacks here so the camera wor= ked flawlessly. Highlights were kept inside the dynamic range. > = I can't say anything about the original conversion. The JPEG has = moderate clipping at both ends. I'd like to see some tonal texture in = the white wall. It was there, at least in the form of shadows of the = confetti. However, processing artifacts around the confetti and JPEG = compression in the whites make that impossible using the JPEG. Still, = bringing down the highlights seems to me to improve the image. = > Photo n=BA0002 Here the white wall helped the exposure meter not to ov= erexpose despite of the dark suit. > = It seems overexposed and flat to me. I assume the flatness may be from = fill flash. One advantage of fill like this is that it's easier to bring = in some contrast/depth than to correct blown highlights. = > Photo n=BA0003 Here the sky was burnt (obviously) but the guy=B4s head= on the left is burnt and detail cannot be recovered. I hate this issue! Do= es anybody know E-3 performance? Can highlight priory be activated to avoid= this issue? I have heard E-3 RAW darkroom is worse than E-1 performance wi= th RAW developers. > = I don't know if the E-3 has more or less RAW headroom. As Chuck has = pointed out, these and other highlights are completely blown, so the E-1 = didn't have enough headroom. What the E-3 does have are lower noise and = greater overall DR, so it should be easier to use EV compensation to = protect the highlights without running into noise issues on the bottom. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I think maybe you need some friends with more hair! :-) > > The man's head ... are truly blown in the raw file (all channels at 255) = and simple recovery is not possible. any attempt to lower it just returns a= noticeable gray tone. The only way I have found to fix these photos (short= of painting or cloning) is to select the area to be fixed with the magic w= and and then adjust just the highlights end of the individual RGB channels = downward by differing amounts and proportional to the surrounding colors. > = As I've shown before, an easier way with probably better color match is = to use color matching between a matching, but properly exposed, portion = of the skin and the blown out area. On this one, I've matched from = another part of the man's head to the blown area and from the woman's = arm to her upper chest. I think it works rather well, and doesn't = involve time spent playing with individual channel levels. = > Photo n=BA0004 In this picture both of them are burnt and highlight de= tail cannot be rescued back. > = The people can be corrected. The sky is a lost cause, at least in the = JPEG. You'd neeed at least -2/3, likely -1 EV, to capture the sky. That = wouldn't be a problem with the 5D, as the foreground would pull up fine. = If it is a crucial pic, the only solution is to patch in a bit of sky = from the same session. I've let the leaf detail lost in the overexposure = go even worse. With the original, one could probably do a pretty decent = job. = > Photo n=BA0005 Here, I wanted to shoot a picture backlight and with fi= ll in with flash. Something similar what I do in the studio with hair light= but again detail in the guy=B4s head is lost. is there any solution to con= trol the light more precisely? Maybe liveview help you to see in real time = the histogram. The main problem here was I had to take the pictures in the = middle of the photographers and you haven=B4t got space and time. This is d= riving me mad! > = As above, the time of exposure solution is a camera with sufficient DR = and an appropriate negative EV setting. (I don't know if the E-1 = qualifies at the ISO you used.) After the fact, color matching works = pretty well. = > Photo n=BA0006 Here the sun is again spoiling detail in their face. > = Shadow/Highlight easily opens up the faces. Bits of LCE and Curves give = some pop to the other shadows. Not quite lifelike lighting, but then, = neither is fill flash. = > Photo n=BA0007 & 0008 If sun doesn=B4t appear, everything works fine. > = Well, sorta. In 7, the flash has washed out all the color in the child's = clothing and the lovely fine detail in her dress. Shadow/Highlight = brings up some tonal details in the dark suits and adds some more depth = to the mens' faces. = In 8, the fill flash has made everything flat looking, to my eye. = Shadow/Highlight brings some depth to the clothing, sky and background = in general and correcting the bright reflections of the flash on the = foreheads makes it much more appealing to me. = Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 06:33:56 2009 Received: (qmail 2188 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 04:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 04:33:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D113E181A5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E0CE240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB17A1CD492 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:33:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524BA1CD486 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:33:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10156 invoked by uid 502); 8 Jul 2009 04:33:50 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jul 2009 04:33:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5421A9.3020508@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:33:45 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A535F73.2040108@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 06:33:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5421b4198121136683642 Ken Norton wrote: > > I do tend to slightly underexpose my E-1 shots as I think the colors end up a bit better. The E-1 has useful shadows, which is atypical for digital cameras. I don't agree, at least with current DSLRs. > I'd rather recover the shadows than fight the highlights. > Absolutely! David may eschew NR, but I much prefer it, when needed in the shadows, to patching up blown highlights. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 06:45:48 2009 Received: (qmail 11059 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 04:45:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 04:45:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30094E182EA for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C73E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846011CD492 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:45:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3D01CD486 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:45:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28989 invoked by uid 502); 8 Jul 2009 04:45:41 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jul 2009 04:45:41 -0000 Message-ID: <4A542471.7030501@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:45:37 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4FD4CD.3060902@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5381A7.8030506@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4A5381A7.8030506@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Gettin' Ready for the Fireworks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 06:45:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54247c274701220213263 John Hermanson wrote: > At the bottom of my index page (www.zuiko.com) is a shot of fireworks from last Saturday night July 4th in the small town of Equinunk, in NE Pennsylvania. N*kon D200, 18-135mm zoom, B @ 5.6. > It would be a nice image anyway, but the moon through the clouds make it special! Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 07:00:04 2009 Received: (qmail 31695 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 05:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 05:00:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05C4E182B7 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8683FE240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7018A1CD492 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:59:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A1E1CD486 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:59:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so2317808anc.35 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:59:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.138.10 with SMTP id l10mr11945026and.61.1247029196055; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:59:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> <9e908c1f0907070458g2eb268d2ydefc8d7bbad310c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 23:59:56 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907072159q3e9e3accg1f797d34c53b02c0@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 07:00:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5427d4183496107113666 On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Sorry? =A0E-3 isn't really much better at high ISO than the E-1? =A0Still >> running on the fumes of denial I see. =A0We need a serious get-together. >> > > > LOL, yes just a hint of denial. =A0Just a hint.... > > Seriously, I am extremely pleased with the high-ISO images I see from the > E-3 except for one issue. =A0There is visible banding with the E-3 where = my > E-1 remains random-noise without the banding. But ISO 1600 is very usable > whereas ISO 800 is the practical limit with the E-1, except in really awe= ful > light. At issue for me, is that I can work with random-noise patterns, but > the banding is pretty much a show-stopper. I have seen some banding of a sort on high ISO shots in terrible light (as in not much) where in effect I'm trying to get an image at 3200 which really needs 6400 or 12800. I use the lightest NR setting, though I doubt that has anything to do with banding. As you know, I like Studio 2 for RAW conversion. Don't know if that's a factor as honestly my percentage of shots at 1600 or above is perhaps 1 in 1000. Even at ISO 100 I don't often get into situations where IS is really engaged. My experience, such as it is, is that the 330 was sensational noise-wise to the E-1 and the E-3 is lots better than the 330. But I guess I don't really have much experience with noise issues in real earnest. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 07:01:02 2009 Received: (qmail 6511 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 05:01:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 05:01:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00E4E1822C for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB646E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C111434AC070 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:00:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5500F34AC062 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:00:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12276 invoked by uid 502); 8 Jul 2009 05:00:53 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) 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(moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jul 2009 05:03:36 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5428A4.6090807@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:03:32 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <118416786404460912074864495830952544563-Webmail@me.com> In-Reply-To: <118416786404460912074864495830952544563-Webmail@me.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 21mm f3.5/f2.0 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 07:03:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5428ae10256789618724 Nicolas Mitchell wrote: > By Toutatis!, they're expensive. > They had a price renaissance when the FF Canon landscape shooters discovered them. Still, compare them to anything else of equal quality. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 07:04:42 2009 Received: (qmail 14986 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 05:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 05:04:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C367E182DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE338E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE83D1CD492 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:04:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4175F1CD486 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:04:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15868 invoked by uid 502); 8 Jul 2009 05:04:37 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jul 2009 05:04:37 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5428E0.1030905@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:04:32 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> <4A52E0C2.3030009@gmail.com> <4A5330CB.8060605@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A5330CB.8060605@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 07:04:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5428ea279731258626592 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Perhaps he has attached an E-P1 17mm viewfinder to his hot shoe for use with his 35/2.8. :-) > I was thinking of a wise-ass comment or so along those lines, but, for once, resisted. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 07:07:08 2009 Received: (qmail 24658 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 05:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 05:07:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F956E1822C for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40097E240DF for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241841CD492 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:07:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B871CD486 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:07:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 22:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18029 invoked by uid 502); 8 Jul 2009 05:07:01 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jul 2009 05:07:01 -0000 Message-ID: <4A542971.6090303@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:06:57 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <4A525EC9.3030001@chucknorcutt.com> <4A52D6E5.1050109@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0907070518g7575faa9y8fc1cc0c8f76479@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907070518g7575faa9y8fc1cc0c8f76479@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] E-620 review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 07:07:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54297c71755034211378 Joel Wilcox wrote: > RAW development in CaptureOne or ACR only, as usual. Blah. What? Olympus slow in providing software support for their cameras? What a surprise! Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 09:13:57 2009 Received: (qmail 25941 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 07:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 07:13:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FD4E1817A for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 00:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4488DE240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 00:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A84534AC078 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 00:13:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60BE34AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 00:13:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 23 days 11:38:06 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 00:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-41-129.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.41.129]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n687DbAs017468; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:13:37 -0300 Message-ID: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:13:44 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?first_one_with_the_300mm_=83/4=2C5?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 09:13:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a544735319192439112457 First one I had the time to scan: Tripod mounted Zuiko 300mm =83/4,5 @ =83/8, Olmpus OM 4 on MultiSpot mode, = MLU and Diaphragm prefire, Winder 2, Eyecup 1. Velvia 50 - aRGB http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3699897721/ -- link to 1280, link to see on black. Yes, I preferred =83/8 (maybe it's =83/11 and I didn't check right ... ) to = get some roughness in the tree at the front - at =83/4,5 there was no = detail, and even the green leaves were oof !. Opinions, advice, comments are welcome. :-) Fernando. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 10:32:16 2009 Received: (qmail 20162 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 08:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 08:32:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7E8E182B1 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 01:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6BE3E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 01:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7BB19DCB9 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 01:32:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA6519DCAF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 01:32:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-087.ctimail.com [61.93.57.87]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 01:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n688W6Cp008775 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:32:07 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n688W6w6006113 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:32:06 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:31:51 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?first_one_with_the_300mm_=83/4=2C5?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 10:32:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a545990226896789618724 In most cases I have no problem with front OOF object but this time.... it = is just too big and obstructive. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" First one I had the time to scan: Tripod mounted Zuiko 300mm =83/4,5 @ =83/8, Olmpus OM 4 on MultiSpot mode, MLU and Diaphragm prefire, Winder 2, Eyecup 1. Velvia 50 - aRGB http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3699897721/ -- link to 1280, link to see on black. Yes, I preferred =83/8 (maybe it's =83/11 and I didn't check right ... ) to get some roughness in the tree at the front - at =83/4,5 there was no detail, and even the green leaves were oof !. Opinions, advice, comments are welcome. :-) Fernando. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 11:55:21 2009 Received: (qmail 26654 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 09:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 09:55:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD82E181B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 02:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62AA7E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 02:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4358934AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 02:55:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A2234AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 02:55:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 02:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n689t57h031554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:55:07 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <190814.94113.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A542800.6000103@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A542800.6000103@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:54:56 +1000 Message-ID: <002101c9ffb2$275c6d00$76154700$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn/iRez7BFKO0URTh6IrywCw0nDTQAKOCEg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Acadia NP and other stuff X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 11:55:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a546d09139381950411718 > > Do people think Bob is a grump? But then, I 've also spent a pleasant > time with him and some beer, probably in the same restaurant. A > gentleman. > Perhaps it's the beer that makes the difference ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 12:04:18 2009 Received: (qmail 19703 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 10:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 10:04:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3D5E182EB for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D17E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B430034AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:04:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED6234AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:04:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n68A47uZ011625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:04:09 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <190814.94113.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A542800.6000103@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A542800.6000103@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:03:59 +1000 Message-ID: <002201c9ffb3$6a63e410$3f2bac30$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acn/iRez7BFKO0URTh6IrywCw0nDTQAKTb7w Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Acadia NP and other stuff X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 12:04:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a546f22187961076813867 > > Sounds like a personal problem. We seldom pay more than $10 for a > bottle > of wine. I mostly like light, crisp wines. We have favorites from > California, Italy, France and Australia all in that price range. All > too > many Calif. chardonnays are indeed thick rich, deep, buttery and make > me > feel like I'm being strangled, but there are many exceptions. We > particularly like an inexpensive, unoaked one from France.Not all reds > have to be heavy, serious and expensive, either. > I'd be interested to hear which Oz wines you are drinking. By the way, I was trying to find a Californian Cabernet Sauvignon for a tasting a few weeks ago, couldn't find anything locally under $AU50 a bottle (we normally aim for 6 wines in the tasting for a total spend of ~$AU150). I'm not sure what the reason is as I'm sure there is plenty of wine available in CA for $US20 a bottle, perhaps the Oz importers only handle the higher end stuff. Anyway Oz Cabernet is relatively cheap and there is some quite good stuff coming out of Chile too. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 13:13:15 2009 Received: (qmail 28279 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 11:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 11:13:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC63E182ED for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1654E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC90B34AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:13:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D42434AC07E for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:12:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp01.jazztel.es (smtp01.jazztel.es [62.14.3.170]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.16.47] (helo=webmail1.jazznet.es) by smtp01.jazztel.es with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MOV56-0004wT-9i for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:12:56 +0200 Received: from 9.208.165.83.static.mundo-r.com (9.208.165.83.static.mundo-r.com [83.165.208.9]) by webmail.jazznet.es (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:12:56 +0200 Message-ID: <20090708131256.2ajxhextj44wkwco@webmail.jazznet.es> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:12:56 +0200 From: David Irisarri To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Originating-IP: 83.165.208.9 X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: =?utf-8?b?VmVyc2nDs24=?= en texto del mensaje X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... 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Camera Discussion References: <4A4FD4CD.3060902@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5381A7.8030506@verizon.net> <4A5386D6.2020804@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4A5386D6.2020804@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Gettin' Ready for the Fireworks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 14:42:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a549437201509730998309 Everyone in the campground chipped in, the owner went over the Derberry Fireworks (?) and loaded up for this half hour show. Lots of fun and nice people. After the show, the kids ran around the field with sparklers : http://www.zuiko.com/index_050.htm I used to bring a few fireworks back to NY but stopped after I heard of several busts (the bad kind). Spotters at local dealers noting license plate numbers of out of state cars and passing them on to police. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Hey, nice shot and it even includes the launch. I haven't shot > fireworks for many years. Even though I can see the local display very > well from my front yard I haven't chosen to take any photos since there > are power and telephone lines cutting across the view. > > Chuck Norcutt > > John Hermanson wrote: >> Looks like a splendid time was had by all, Chuck. >> >> At the bottom of my index page (www.zuiko.com) is a shot of fireworks >> from last Saturday night July 4th in the small town of Equinunk, in NE >> Pennsylvania. N*kon D200, 18-135mm zoom, B @ 5.6. >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> My wife and I took a stroll down to the local park where the vendors are >>> setting up for tonight's July 4th fireworks display. For non-US >>> residents especially, it shows a little bit of 4th of July Americana... >>> as practiced in upstate New York at least... but without the fireworks >>> which are yet to happen. But we will watch them from our front yard >>> tonight while sitting in our lawn chairs. :-) >>> >>> The grassy area shown is normally used for baseball and soccer games >>> and, on the far side of the field (but not shown) one of the local >>> area's six famous Alan Herschel carousels. >>> >>> >>> Food shacks shown include "spiedies" (grilled meat marinated in Italian >>> spices), sausages, lemonade, funnel cakes (batter deep fried in oil and >>> covered with powdered sugar... in the left hand of the guy with the >>> backpack standing in front of the "lemon") and southern style barbecued >>> brisket and pulled pork. >>> >>> Also shown: A beautiful senorita with red hair (well, she will be in >>> about 10 years), sixties rock-n-roll for us sixties type folks and a >>> Blue Angel formation taken from too far for a 135mm lens (since the >>> performance was actually being given about 6-8 miles away) >>> >>> >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 15:28:03 2009 Received: (qmail 11414 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 13:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 13:28:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C6AE182B5 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6668DE240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5393919E582 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:27:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C4D19E541 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:27:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f209.google.com (mail-bw0-f209.google.com [209.85.218.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so83694bwz.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:27:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.101.2 with SMTP id a2mr6966436bko.104.1247059674996; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:27:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5428E0.1030905@gmail.com> References: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> <4A52E0C2.3030009@gmail.com> <4A5330CB.8060605@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5428E0.1030905@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:27:54 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 50b232b1291e57fb Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 15:28:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a549ee2105781950411718 > > I was thinking of a wise-ass comment or so along those lines, but, for > once, resisted. :-) > LOL, here I was sitting on my hands keeping myself from making some comment that would be lampooned somewhere down the road. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 15:41:55 2009 Received: (qmail 24914 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 13:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 13:41:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627CBE182F4 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C10E240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B7F34AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:41:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A670B34AC029 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:41:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-d04.mx.aol.com (imr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-d04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a54a21525b; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:41:41 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.d49.4c3f9a5a (29679) for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:41:34 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:41:34 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.200 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Why won't photoshop open my ORF? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 15:41:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54a2234081744846740 I just downloaded a CF card with both jpg and ORF files and when I try to open the ORF Photoshop says it can't open it because it is the wrong type of file. I'm sure this is something simple, however my simple mind is at a road block. Any ideas that will help me open the files? Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 15:52:56 2009 Received: (qmail 19593 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 13:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 13:52:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8ABFE182DB for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04CEE240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F7334AC078 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:52:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E5234AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:52:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f209.google.com (mail-bw0-f209.google.com [209.85.218.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so99776bwz.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:52:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.102.247.4 with SMTP id u4mr4231770muh.26.1247061167537; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:52:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:52:47 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2b233f0025b502cd Message-ID: <9f07ac840907080652j2839aedah4e1fc35e2acd735e@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Why won't photoshop open my ORF? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 15:52:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54a4b863115034211378 Did it previously work? More info: Recent version of PS?ORF files for which camera? cheers jez On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM, wrote: > I just downloaded a CF card with both jpg and ORF files and when I try to > open the ORF Photoshop says it can't open it because it is the wrong type > of > file. I'm sure this is something simple, however my simple mind is at a > road block. Any ideas that will help me open the files? Bill Barber > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 15:57:38 2009 Received: (qmail 25138 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 13:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 13:57:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B696FE182DA for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8380E240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE96219E6CD for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:57:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6624C19E6D3 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:57:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n68DvUud018721 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:57:30 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.bc3.4d70e819 (29679) for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:57:25 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:57:25 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Why won't photoshop open my ORF? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 15:57:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54a5d2262155034211378 In a message dated 7/8/2009 8:53:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jez@cunningham.net writes: Did it previously work? More info: Recent version of PS?ORF files for which camera? E-3 CS 3 Yes, it previously worked and still does on some files. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 16:03:58 2009 Received: (qmail 10365 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 14:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 14:03:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D201E182DC for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65BEE240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DEF34AC078 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:03:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB4534AC077 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:03:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f209.google.com (mail-bw0-f209.google.com [209.85.218.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so106851bwz.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:03:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.178.14 with SMTP id f14mr4172906mup.21.1247061830524; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:03:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:03:50 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7f1a8d4f13e02922 Message-ID: <9f07ac840907080703j35c02c6bo39746394bd35ccf3@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Why won't photoshop open my ORF? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 16:03:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54a74e308195683411216 OK, sorry, that was the extent of my ideas :-(Unless you've somehow got a corrupted file / cf card Jez On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 3:57 PM, wrote: > > In a message dated 7/8/2009 8:53:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > jez@cunningham.net writes: > > Did it previously work? > More info: > Recent version of PS?ORF files for which camera? > > > > > E-3 > > CS 3 > > Yes, it previously worked and still does on some files. > > Bill Barber > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 16:07:53 2009 Received: (qmail 18264 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 14:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 14:07:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1851DE182D4 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE78E240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D631134AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:07:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C8634AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:07:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.220.211]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMG00DYGV8H7AS9@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:07:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A54A822.3010701@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:07:30 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4FD4CD.3060902@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5381A7.8030506@verizon.net> <4A542471.7030501@gmail.com> In-reply-to: <4A542471.7030501@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Gettin' Ready for the Fireworks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 16:07:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54a839292105368819438 Thank you. I noticed in some shots, the moon position causes a lens flare. I added a second picture. In the right hand shot, to the right of the launch trail, about midway between tree line and top of picture, you can see a green dot. That green dot (with a comet-like trail to one side) is in almost every picture where the moon is clearly visible. When the moon went behind the clouds, the dot disappeared. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Moose wrote: > John Hermanson wrote: >> At the bottom of my index page (www.zuiko.com) is a shot of >> fireworks from last Saturday night July 4th in the small town of >> Equinunk, in NE Pennsylvania. N*kon D200, 18-135mm zoom, B @ 5.6. >> > > It would be a nice image anyway, but the moon through the clouds make > it special! > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 16:25:19 2009 Received: (qmail 31779 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 14:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 14:25:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F03E182C8 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE914E240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC5734AC077 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED8034AC029 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:25:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6810889.2321247063834989.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-57-5.iburst.co.za ([41.213.57.5]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 340 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:37:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:25:02 +0200 References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 16:25:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54ac4f33651258626592 This following sentence (from the review) makes me seriously doubt that these guys know what they are doing. First of all, even though it is clearly a single coated lens (the F.Zuiko moniker tells us that) they state: > "Despite the fact that the lens is quite long in the tooth, its > multi-coating does > a good job of reducing chromatic aberration" Firstly, the lens in question does not have multi-coating (only the MS and MIJ versions have that, this is clearly a second generation single-coated example), and secondly, I was always under the impression that the optical formula of the lens is 100% responsible for correcting (or not) chromatic aberration and colour fringing. Coating merely improves light transmission, and decreases flare/haze caused by internal reflections. Not so? I always wonder about these tests - somebody happens to get their hands on an ancient OM optic, slap it on a digital body, and produce a "test". If people are so drawn to this, why not at least test the more interesting lenses? Use a 50/2.0 or 90/2.0 Macro, use a 21/2.0, or any of these amazing older lenses. Somehow, it's always the humble 50/1.8 "body cap" they got somewhere for free or for $10. Hope you all have a great week! I am picking up an Epson V700 scanner today - it's no Nikon 9000 I know, but it should do just fine with my 6x7c, and 6x17cm slides, and as a huge side benefit, I can start scanning in some of my darkroom prints so you guys can see how much I suck with my OM-1! :-) Hopefully I can start to meaningfully contribute to TOPE etc now, as well as have images to post together with my often wild claims around OM optics. ...that is, if the Metro Police officers manning the roadblock which I sort-of forcefully skipped today to make the airport in time don't find me and lock me up first. It's pretty scary expecting them to come knocking on your door any moment, but in life, for every action there is a set of tradeoffs one makes, and I am afraid with this one they had the lowest priority. Of course, I don't expect many of you have experience with the police force of an African country. An equal amount of incompetence and ruthlessness / unreasonableness prevails. The South African traffic system (fines, registrations, etc) was really only computerised about 1 or 2 years ago, with huge teething troubles, so I am hoping that they will "forget" about me... *sigh* On 06 Jul 2009, at 8:11 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1279/cat/14 > > This isn't the miJ is it? > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 16:31:11 2009 Received: (qmail 18230 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 14:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 14:31:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489ABE182D1 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEA2E240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0A834AC029 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:31:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92B834AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:31:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.220.211]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMG00C2WWB0VUQA@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:30:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A54AD8D.1070409@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:30:37 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CBCD70DB6AA877-9E0-FA0@webmail-mh07.sysops.aol.com> In-reply-to: <8CBCD70DB6AA877-9E0-FA0@webmail-mh07.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 16:31:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54adaf221781357919056 There are 5 types of 50 1.8 1 - Silver nosed, single coated 2 - black filter ring, single coated, glass parts different than type 1. 3 & 4 multicoated. "Japan" on name ring. Mostly identical inside except type 4 has different lens group 2nd in from the rear. Name ring will say "MC" (type 3) or not (Type 4). 5 - Multicoated, "Made in Japan" on name ring, shares no optical parts with type 3 or 4. Uses same name ring as type 4, Not marked MC. There are finer differences between the lenses, other folks may want to go into those things. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html usher99@aol.com wrote: > Thanks John. > Is this the older optical design then weighing in at 170gm rather than > 165 gm? > Perhaps a quick summary of the versions is in order as a refresher. > I hope my list membership is not revoked. > Mike > > > > That's a type II 1.8, black filter ring, single coated. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> No, it's not the MIJ although they comment that it's multicoated so > it's >> later rather than earlier. The MIJ name ring just says "ZUIKO" and > not >> "F.ZUIKO". Also, on the MIJ, the focal length precedes the aperture >> whereas this older lens lists the aperture first. >> >> I just noted test images for the first time and see they're the same >> test setup as Imaging Resource. I didn't previously know of the >> connection with SLR Gear. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> usher99@xxxxxxx wrote: >>> http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1279/cat/14 >>> >>> This isn't the miJ is it? >>> Mike > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 17:14:54 2009 Received: (qmail 12867 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 15:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 15:14:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC66E182E3 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D44E240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB9534AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:14:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FADA34AC077 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:14:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10586 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jul 2009 15:14:41 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jul 2009 15:14:41 -0000 Message-ID: <4A54B7DF.9040907@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:14:39 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840907080703j35c02c6bo39746394bd35ccf3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840907080703j35c02c6bo39746394bd35ccf3@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090707-0, 07/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Why won't photoshop open my ORF? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 17:14:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54b7ee24265368819438 I vote for the corrupted file. Try the Oly software. I suspect it won't work either. Chuck Norcutt Jez Cunningham wrote: > OK, sorry, that was the extent of my ideas :-(Unless you've somehow got a > corrupted file / cf card > Jez > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 3:57 PM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 7/8/2009 8:53:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >> jez@cunningham.net writes: >> >> Did it previously work? >> More info: >> Recent version of PS?ORF files for which camera? >> >> >> >> >> E-3 >> >> CS 3 >> >> Yes, it previously worked and still does on some files. >> >> Bill Barber >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 17:15:52 2009 Received: (qmail 23242 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 15:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 15:15:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06342E181A4 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D04DE240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FB019E8FC for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:15:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2DD19E924 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:15:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so4609455fxm.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:15:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.15 with SMTP id k15mr6941329bkq.118.1247066137234; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:15:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090708131256.2ajxhextj44wkwco@webmail.jazznet.es> References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <20090708131256.2ajxhextj44wkwco@webmail.jazznet.es> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:15:37 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 07142c4b68b2bb8f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 17:15:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54b828311056789618724 I'm quite in agreement with David Irisarri on this one. The E-1's "apparent" dynamic range appears more usable than that of the E-3. Like my weasel words? I did that on purpose. A friend of mine here has an E-3 and we shoot together quite frequently on event work and self-project work. The differences are sometimes subtle, sometimes non-existent and sometimes in-your-face. The E-1 usually has an organic transition in the highlights. Probably the best highlight transition I've ever seen, however, is in my Minolta A1, but compared to the E-3, the transitions don't have that same point of "now you have gradients, now you don't." With the E-1, not all channels reach saturation at the same point so there is a tendency to get a cyan cast in what should be a white subject near the saturation point. Really no different than one of the more famous slide films. The E-3 doesn't seem to be plagued with the cyan highlight cast, but when the highlights go into saturation it is a pure hole in the data and the only way to address it is to add some random noise to the highlight portion of the curves to smooth out the stair-step. Olympus did an amazing job of getting the E-3 to match the E-1 in color, saturation and tonalities, and when working within the 90% rule, they do match and you can use them interchangeably. However, the curves are ever so slightly different. The E-1 has a steeper curve in the mid-tones, which adds more contrast there and then has a distinct toe and shoulder. The toe (shadows) is long and maintains shadow detail long after many other digitals have blocked up. The highlights, as mentioned above, aren't quite as controlled and the three channels don't track together. The E-3 has far smoother tonal transitions in the mid-high range, keeps the color channels in sync, and has a touch more usuable highlight recovery right up to the point where it falls over the cliff. But on the shadow side, the E-3 has noise patterns which are substantially subdued over the E-1, but have a mechanical look (pattern noise) as compared to the more organic noise pattern of the E-1. I very much disagree with Moose about the generational thing. Granted, the E-1 is an old beast these days and "modern" cameras are cat's meow. But have those advances been in the sensors or in the processing engines? I maintain that the major advances have been in the processing engines. All you have to do is look at dpreview's noise charts to see that there is HEAVY noise reduction going on--even on RAW files. Is the image any cleaner? Nope, not really. I can apply watercolor paint brushes to my images too, it's just that I don't have as many pixels to hide the effect. If Moose's assertation that the E-1 is inferior in comparison to today's cameras was true, then the same thinking could apply to other things: Tube vs. Solid State Amplifiers, Analog vs. Digital watches....shoot, your wife could replace you with some young 20-something 6-pack ab'd buck who is OBVIOUSLY much improved over you! Are newer cameras improvements? Absolutely! Of course there are refinements and improvements in algorithms and hardware. That is only logical. However, most of those improvements are incremental instead of blatantly "wow, this is superior"--especially in the final prints. You don't see much change from one model to the next, but comparing models multiple-generations apart, you definitely see the changes. The E-3 is superior to the E-1 in nearly every way. In this, I have no disagreement. The only real advantage the E-1 has over the E-3 is in grip-shape, body-shape (debateable), control-layout (I love the Autofocus switch--it is pure genius), shutter-indestructability, shutter-sound, CF door, and tonalities/colors in certain circumstances. Other than the last item, nothing mentioned has anything to do with image quality. I may say things to promote the E-1, but the E-3 is definitely a superior camera. But how superior and to what end? The E-1 is perfectly capable for what the OP had used it for. Frankly, that highlight burnout probably would have happened with Kodak Portra 160NC. No amount of highlight recovery--either in-camera or in post-production could bring that back and frankly, I wouldn't want to. This has nothing to do with camera generations, but subject matter. When presented with a 20+ stop exposure range, even if you could recover the extremes, to what end? Do you really want to remove the dynamic range and turn it into a cartoon? So, does the E-1 have more dynamic range than the E-3? Good question. Technically, the E-3 most likely has greater range. But effectively, I'd say no. The E-1 is able to produce an out-of-camera image with greater range, but the E-3 RAW files can be used to drag out more range by jumping through a bunch of highlight/shadow recovery hoops. My buddy is able to get his E-3 images to match my E-1 images, but not without a bunch of work. Why would he want to make the E-3 images match the E-1 images? Because we both agreed that the E-1 images just look better. Current RAW converters that we are using: Studio 2 (best color/tonalities of the bunch for both cameras) Lightroom (best contrast but horrid colorcasts in E-3 files) Capture One (very nice compromise between Lightroom and Studio2 for both E-1 and E-3 files) DCRAW based conversions in PWP and Raw Therapee (Very flat looking files) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 17:16:44 2009 Received: (qmail 24480 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 15:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 15:16:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D08E182EB for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8607E240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD1534AC029 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:16:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4405434AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:16:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12215 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jul 2009 15:16:38 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090707-0, 07/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 17:16:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54b85c30061234514069 Resisted? Hah! I just beat you to it and your own assent is below. :-) Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Perhaps he has attached an E-P1 17mm viewfinder to his hot shoe for use with his 35/2.8. :-) >> > > I was thinking of a wise-ass comment or so along those lines, but, for > once, resisted. :-) > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 18:09:51 2009 Received: (qmail 30835 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 16:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 16:09:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785DBE182EB for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28C0E240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7C334AC077 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:09:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9BD34AC07A for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:09:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (proud_texan63@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.124]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 80978 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2009 16:09:43 -0000 Message-ID: <919589.80207.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dqtBvBIVM1m_GVCO750WOyktRiIxKqAXYnJzS2wPzwOlGCkQ.ZDPJss8Prov4lh4GlaDD3uLlLsYOKXi4sFODpmYnWQvXdqaGQ4SxwiOsPHjMJKL1fiB2ihu2XNb.L5_ISVIW.2TzxAaHOop4E_PPOr0QIOMmco.7iZxfJZN6CF5u.GtSorSbIgyt06ciXrPGH_8qkMePB5kZVapBZoqA9CxJrpZFGkfdx7KGsCgDSyamrFhoFXRM5XX2XIdosDO3FgYCj5KsDtmjR1X4RhuhuQHcr2q9km1wwkZ3d9rjXjop6.tpCyATFW_qEUCmSlnPeGaCsnfA3zbMcA1WGEWcThu9UN5Ld8ool1ahMk- Received: from [71.97.21.207] by web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:09:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:09:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Of the many things I don't know, and thanks, John X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 18:09:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54c4cf46391234514069 =A0 =A0Hello all,=A0=A0I have been lurking here for a while, as I haven't b= een shooting a lot lately. I also just got back from a 19 day, 6 state, 360= 0 mile motorcycle trip, where I finally used my E-1 for a bit. My E-1 perfo= rmed flawlessly, as usual, until to my horror, I reached for it one day and= saw that me eye piece was cracked into about 5 pieces. I continued to carr= y and use it until arriving home, when I called Olympus to ask abort the da= mage and cost of repair. I was shocked when I was told Oly has a flat rate = repair for the E-1, of $239.00. Which I suppose if you need new electronics= is not a bad deal, but not for something like this. I asked if that was th= e best I could hope for and they said "Yes". I then looked back at John's, = Camtech site, having already looked and did not see anything listed for our= E things, I decided to call and ask him about it. John was very cordial an= d after I explained what I had he said that that eye piece is a bayonet mount and it just comes right off, that it is a user replaceable part. He = looked it up and said yes, that's right, I can replace it. He didn't have t= hem in stock, so I said thank you very much and placed a call back to Oly. = This time I was prompted t the Oly Store for parts, quickly being told I wa= s nuts, that I have to send the camera in for that. I asked to be transferr= ed to tech support, who promptly confirmed what John had told me that I can= replace that part, with any one of five different ones they make for it. H= e quickly told me where I could order one and I was on my way. Great, somet= hing like that was what I was hoping for in my first call. I asked why I wo= uld have been told to simply send the camera in for that flat rate repair, = he apologized and said that most folks simply do not know the E cameras the= way they should. So now I'm waiting for the brown truck to bring my new pa= rt and be back in business. So, one more "Thank you" to John, and to say don't believe everything you hear, that first person is not always rig= ht. Oh, and the trip was wonderful, I'll be posting some shots from it late= r. =A0 =A0Jerry Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 18:27:17 2009 Received: (qmail 16545 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 16:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 16:27:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C321E181A6 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D76E240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CADE34AC07A for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:27:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2AE34AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:27:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f209.google.com (mail-bw0-f209.google.com [209.85.218.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so198615bwz.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:27:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.113.12 with SMTP id y12mr7109539bkp.214.1247070430313; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:27:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <919589.80207.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <919589.80207.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:27:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d77a831a619626e8 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Of the many things I don't know, and thanks, John X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 18:27:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54c8e5288141220213263 You did pop your broken one off to make sure that it was the sole broken piece? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 18:45:40 2009 Received: (qmail 20824 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 16:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 16:45:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8BABE182B5 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC8BE240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1780519EBA6 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:45:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1296419EBC1 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:45:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (proud_texan63@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.129]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 58990 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2009 16:45:26 -0000 Message-ID: <665416.46835.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 96MF8j0VM1nGR9_vKwTg2cJKTWAFGp60f19LI0kycmK1CV_o3V0.ye.dECCksFaffffxFXBxRkKD2U6sXbRnk1xDlv5ijtAw.1dGZZpBN0L8.QJchCIIRXgzmkGt1kfBjlZ6.iBmVgUpVCtvyecwZtzZosONbwsUnKo5EMI2qEpeo.WNeYrPIPNLEAFVuQeaYdrLF07zkVnd19_B9D4O_xrFvHflqVURrlduXCbKndrt4mKxAvLZsbXn1BsDyYwG3cL48U1epVHq9ltbMZPfa0u5uqws8f4KX6aEkT_nULA0qyuOFv4VWlTIYU0Zm_4UUMuP7UlAbEDrl0fGdXpYVLa1ZEK1pQ3w0MPuIabb84.ZEnc- Received: from [71.97.21.207] by web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:45:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:45:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Smith To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Of the many things I don't know, and thanks, John X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 18:45:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54cd34290021879814018 =A0 =A0Yes Sir, I did. It is just the outer piece and everything inside fro= m there looks fine. If I knew that outer piece came off, I didn't remember = it, but I'm sure glad it does.I just can't get over the cavalier attitude o= f, just send it back and for $xx we'll fix it. Thanks for asking.Jerry Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Ken Norton wrote: From: Ken Norton Subject: Re: [OM] Of the many things I don't know, and thanks, John To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:27 AM You did pop your broken one off to make sure that it was the sole broken piece? AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 18:54:28 2009 Received: (qmail 29592 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 16:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 16:54:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B3CE182EE for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76614E240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E49634AC077 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:54:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337FA34AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:54:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03B0314022 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEEE314089 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A54CF3F.4060709@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:54:23 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090707-0, 07/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 18:54:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54cf44102564877110844 > > Hey, no fair! It's supposed to drive itself! :-) Oh but it does. Look at the steel wheels. Road Dept wouldn't be too happy if it did drive down main street. > An AC Cobra ............. the real thing ....... is what you should really > be looking for. Knock offs don't count :-) I think this is the real thing but I'm not an afficionado so can't say for sure. I should have taken a photo. These are serious collectors. A few years ago the Indy car collector put 6-8 of his cars dating back to the very early 1900's in the parade. Man what a noise and cloud of smoke! Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 19:55:14 2009 Received: (qmail 9391 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 17:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 17:55:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C329E182B8 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF5BE240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0180419EBAD for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:55:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F60219EFFF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:55:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26952 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jul 2009 17:55:04 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090707-0, 07/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Of the many things I don't know, and thanks, John X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 19:55:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54dd82318261950411718 I liked all your sunrise/sunset shots. Chuck Norcutt Jerry Smith wrote: > Hello all, I have been lurking here for a while, as I haven't been > shooting a lot lately. I also just got back from a 19 day, 6 state, > 3600 mile motorcycle trip, where I finally used my E-1 for a bit. My > E-1 performed flawlessly, as usual, until to my horror, I reached for > it one day and saw that me eye piece was cracked into about 5 pieces. > I continued to carry and use it until arriving home, when I called > Olympus to ask abort the damage and cost of repair. I was shocked > when I was told Oly has a flat rate repair for the E-1, of $239.00. > Which I suppose if you need new electronics is not a bad deal, but > not for something like this. I asked if that was the best I could > hope for and they said "Yes". I then looked back at John's, Camtech > site, having already looked and did not see anything listed for our E > things, I decided to call and ask him about it. John was very cordial > and after I explained what I had he said that that eye piece is a > bayonet mount and it just comes right off, that it is a user > replaceable part. He looked it up and said yes, that's right, I can > replace it. He didn't have them in stock, so I said thank you very > much and placed a call back to Oly. This time I was prompted t the > Oly Store for parts, quickly being told I was nuts, that I have to > send the camera in for that. I asked to be transferred to tech > support, who promptly confirmed what John had told me that I can > replace that part, with any one of five different ones they make for > it. He quickly told me where I could order one and I was on my way. > Great, something like that was what I was hoping for in my first > call. I asked why I would have been told to simply send the camera in > for that flat rate repair, he apologized and said that most folks > simply do not know the E cameras the way they should. So now I'm > waiting for the brown truck to bring my new part and be back in > business. So, one more "Thank you" to John, and to say don't believe > everything you hear, that first person is not always right. Oh, and > the trip was wonderful, I'll be posting some shots from it later. > Jerry Life is not a race, it is a ride. Enjoy it!! > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/proud-texan/ > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 20:11:27 2009 Received: (qmail 5531 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 18:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 18:11:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6373E182B3 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBFBE240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E0334AC078 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:11:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C341934AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:11:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9647 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jul 2009 18:11:18 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jul 2009 18:11:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4A54E144.1040009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:11:16 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <6810889.2321247063834989.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <6810889.2321247063834989.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090708-0, 07/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 20:11:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54e14f4621220213263 I agree. Multicoating shouldn't have anything to do with chromatic aberration. But I wouldn't expect this guy to know whether an old OM 50mm lens was really multicoated or not. Even we don't seem to be able to say for sure. As you may recall some early OM lenses are multicoated but not every element is multicoated and only some lenses advertise that they're multicoated. But as to the lens test itself he probably doesn't have to know very much about optics to be able to setup the test and run the software. He should just refrain from speaking beyond his knowledge. :-) Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > This following sentence (from the review) makes me seriously doubt > that these guys know what they are doing. First of all, even though it > is clearly > a single coated lens (the F.Zuiko moniker tells us that) they state: > >> "Despite the fact that the lens is quite long in the tooth, its >> multi-coating does >> a good job of reducing chromatic aberration" > > Firstly, the lens in question does not have multi-coating (only the MS > and MIJ versions > have that, this is clearly a second generation single-coated example), > and secondly, > I was always under the impression that the optical formula of > the lens is 100% responsible for correcting (or not) chromatic > aberration and colour > fringing. Coating merely improves light transmission, and decreases > flare/haze caused > by internal reflections. Not so? > > > > I always wonder about these tests - somebody happens to get their > hands on an ancient > OM optic, slap it on a digital body, and produce a "test". If people > are so drawn to this, > why not at least test the more interesting lenses? Use a 50/2.0 or > 90/2.0 Macro, use > a 21/2.0, or any of these amazing older lenses. Somehow, it's always > the humble 50/1.8 "body cap" > they got somewhere for free or for $10. > > > > Hope you all have a great week! I am picking up an Epson V700 scanner > today - it's no Nikon 9000 > I know, but it should do just fine with my 6x7c, and 6x17cm slides, > and as a huge side benefit, I > can start scanning in some of my darkroom prints so you guys can see > how much I suck with > my OM-1! :-) Hopefully I can start to meaningfully contribute to TOPE > etc now, as well as > have images to post together with my often wild claims around OM optics. > > ...that is, if the Metro Police officers manning the roadblock which I > sort-of forcefully skipped > today to make the airport in time don't find me and lock me up first. > It's pretty scary expecting > them to come knocking on your door any moment, but in life, for every > action there is a set of tradeoffs > one makes, and I am afraid with this one they had the lowest priority. > Of course, I don't expect many > of you have experience with the police force of an African country. An > equal amount of incompetence and > ruthlessness / unreasonableness prevails. The South African traffic > system (fines, registrations, etc) > was really only computerised about 1 or 2 years ago, with huge > teething troubles, so I am hoping that > they will "forget" about me... > > *sigh* > > On 06 Jul 2009, at 8:11 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > >> http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1279/cat/14 >> >> This isn't the miJ is it? >> Mike > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 20:24:21 2009 Received: (qmail 8447 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 18:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 18:24:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F363E182DA for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9279EE240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFF534AC07D for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DCA34AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21501 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jul 2009 18:24:12 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jul 2009 18:24:12 -0000 Message-ID: <4A54E44C.5040005@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:24:12 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <6810889.2321247063834989.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A54E144.1040009@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A54E144.1040009@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090708-0, 07/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 20:24:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54e45525675034211378 I posted a corrective note on their review page Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I agree. Multicoating shouldn't have anything to do with chromatic > aberration. But I wouldn't expect this guy to know whether an old OM > 50mm lens was really multicoated or not. Even we don't seem to be able > to say for sure. As you may recall some early OM lenses are multicoated > but not every element is multicoated and only some lenses advertise that > they're multicoated. But as to the lens test itself he probably doesn't > have to know very much about optics to be able to setup the test and run > the software. He should just refrain from speaking beyond his > knowledge. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Dawid Loubser wrote: >> This following sentence (from the review) makes me seriously doubt >> that these guys know what they are doing. First of all, even though it >> is clearly >> a single coated lens (the F.Zuiko moniker tells us that) they state: >> >>> "Despite the fact that the lens is quite long in the tooth, its >>> multi-coating does >>> a good job of reducing chromatic aberration" >> Firstly, the lens in question does not have multi-coating (only the MS >> and MIJ versions >> have that, this is clearly a second generation single-coated example), >> and secondly, >> I was always under the impression that the optical formula of >> the lens is 100% responsible for correcting (or not) chromatic >> aberration and colour >> fringing. Coating merely improves light transmission, and decreases >> flare/haze caused >> by internal reflections. Not so? >> >> >> >> I always wonder about these tests - somebody happens to get their >> hands on an ancient >> OM optic, slap it on a digital body, and produce a "test". If people >> are so drawn to this, >> why not at least test the more interesting lenses? Use a 50/2.0 or >> 90/2.0 Macro, use >> a 21/2.0, or any of these amazing older lenses. Somehow, it's always >> the humble 50/1.8 "body cap" >> they got somewhere for free or for $10. >> >> >> >> Hope you all have a great week! I am picking up an Epson V700 scanner >> today - it's no Nikon 9000 >> I know, but it should do just fine with my 6x7c, and 6x17cm slides, >> and as a huge side benefit, I >> can start scanning in some of my darkroom prints so you guys can see >> how much I suck with >> my OM-1! :-) Hopefully I can start to meaningfully contribute to TOPE >> etc now, as well as >> have images to post together with my often wild claims around OM optics. >> >> ...that is, if the Metro Police officers manning the roadblock which I >> sort-of forcefully skipped >> today to make the airport in time don't find me and lock me up first. >> It's pretty scary expecting >> them to come knocking on your door any moment, but in life, for every >> action there is a set of tradeoffs >> one makes, and I am afraid with this one they had the lowest priority. >> Of course, I don't expect many >> of you have experience with the police force of an African country. An >> equal amount of incompetence and >> ruthlessness / unreasonableness prevails. The South African traffic >> system (fines, registrations, etc) >> was really only computerised about 1 or 2 years ago, with huge >> teething troubles, so I am hoping that >> they will "forget" about me... >> >> *sigh* >> >> On 06 Jul 2009, at 8:11 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: >> >>> http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1279/cat/14 >>> >>> This isn't the miJ is it? >>> Mike >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 20:25:50 2009 Received: (qmail 9168 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 18:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 18:25:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DA6E182EB for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA7EE240DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4903134AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:25:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12BE34AC07C for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:25:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so4719654fxm.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:25:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.113.12 with SMTP id y12mr7211879bkp.214.1247077542080; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:25:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A54E144.1040009@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CBCC7C4DCE27BC-734-F0D@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <6810889.2321247063834989.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4A54E144.1040009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d1012832cfc2fc71 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 20:25:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54e4ae171379752976205 > > Even we don't seem to be able to say for sure. As you may recall some > early OM lenses are multicoated but not every element is multicoated and > only some lenses advertise that they're multicoated. Yeah, it's a lot like my 100/2.8. It has different coatings than earlier 100/2.8s, but doesn't have the green reflection of the "MC" variety. It's a strange bird. A lot like its owner. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 21:03:25 2009 Received: (qmail 10149 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 19:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 19:03:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC100E181B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883E5E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7827A34AC077 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:03:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F2E3610001 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:03:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27169 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jul 2009 19:03:16 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 21:03:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54ed7d143061357919056 Whatever you might have said about color match (actually, look for = "match color" or you won't find it in PS help) has been lost to my leaky = memory since I a) didn't remember such a thing existed and b) haven't been able to figure out how to use it. Using curves is actually pretty simple and can be done in about 30 = seconds. But (short of understanding match color) I would more likely = have done it with painting into a selection. Select the area to be = fixed and use the paint brush. Select the color from an appropriate = source and paint into the selected area. The selection will prevent the = brush from painting where it's not wanted. Use a low opacity and flow = rate if desired to approach the color gradually and/or vary it from = place to place. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > = > I don't know if the E-3 has more or less RAW headroom. As Chuck has = > pointed out, these and other highlights are completely blown, so the > E-1 didn't have enough headroom. What the E-3 does have are lower > noise and greater overall DR, so it should be easier to use EV > compensation to protect the highlights without running into noise > issues on the bottom. > = > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I think maybe you need some friends with more hair! :-) >> = >> The man's head ... are truly blown in the raw file (all channels at >> 255) and simple recovery is not possible. any attempt to lower it >> just returns a noticeable gray tone. The only way I have found to >> fix these photos (short of painting or cloning) is to select the >> area to be fixed with the magic wand and then adjust just the >> highlights end of the individual RGB channels downward by differing >> amounts and proportional to the surrounding colors. >> = > = > As I've shown before, an easier way with probably better color match > is to use color matching between a matching, but properly exposed, > portion of the skin and the blown out area. On this one, I've matched > from another part of the man's head to the blown area and from the > woman's arm to her upper chest. I think it works rather well, and > doesn't involve time spent playing with individual channel levels. = > > = > = >> Photo n=BA0004 In this picture both of them are burnt and >> highlight detail cannot be rescued back. >> = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 21:08:21 2009 Received: (qmail 25058 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 19:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 19:08:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE8EE181A3 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DD6E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD0C3610005 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:08:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB683610002 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:08:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31573 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jul 2009 19:08:13 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090708-0, 07/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 21:08:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54eea5118593900897491 Now we understand your affection for the 100/2.8. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Even we don't seem to be able to say for sure. As you may recall some >> early OM lenses are multicoated but not every element is multicoated and >> only some lenses advertise that they're multicoated. > > > > Yeah, it's a lot like my 100/2.8. It has different coatings than earlier > 100/2.8s, but doesn't have the green reflection of the "MC" variety. It's a > strange bird. > > A lot like its owner. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 21:34:57 2009 Received: (qmail 12748 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 19:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 19:34:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E12E182B0 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A779E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4780234AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:34:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6CB34AC029 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:34:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so4757382fxm.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:34:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.107.9 with SMTP id z9mr3754122fao.1.1247081690413; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:34:50 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 21:34:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54f4e1217124877110844 Hi Fernando and all, From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile > > Late last night I found the answer > to my question on page 60 of its Manual: "You cannot use the motor > drive, winders and flashes with the mechanical shutter". Yes, it's a shame for me -- that prevents the use of an OM body + Winder for an automated meteor shower recorder :-( > While I agree with Moose on the inherent contradiction in using a -drive > at 1/60, As you see, B + winder would be nice sometimes... I know some cameras are powered by the winder/motor drive source when fitted. > I'm a little disappointed by the flash issue. You won't get TTL, though, so the old OM-1 would be as nice. But for most subjects, with a _good_ flash there's no much need for TTL... > Fortunately, John > says something different at Hawkins' site - shall investigate it. > ? > Moose: I didn't want to force the thread, but the chrome cap in the 4 > body doesn't quite fit in mine. It may, perhaps, if I insist but ... why > bother ;-) Most likely a tolerances issue. As John told, chrome caps ara highly recommended. > --- if absent for a while, it's because I'm learning software > engineering by myself ;-) ROTFLMAOL!!!!!!!!! Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 21:54:12 2009 Received: (qmail 21601 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 19:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 19:54:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BFEE182ED for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001D9E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E910734AC078 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:54:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB3134AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:54:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so4767531fxm.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:54:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.111.140 with SMTP id s12mr3639560fap.45.1247082845178; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:54:05 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens testing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 21:54:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54f964322113900897491 Hi Edward, Chuck and all, > From: "Sawyer, Edward" > For B&W film, search out some Tech pan. As you know it's discontinued but > it's out there. Oh, I miss it so BAD... :-( Besides the extreme resolving power and lack of grain, I also liked the TP because of the extended red sensitivity -- a must for astro pics. Now I'm trying Rollei SuperPan 200, which is much faster, has _some_ grain but a similar response. Time will tell. However, if I want to use TP with a "normal" contrast, the only way I know is to develop it in Technidol, which if discontinued probaby would last much less than the film. B&W film can last quite a long time -- I'm using (for quick tests etc) a roll of Adox KB21 (now Efke 100) expired in 1986... > It came in bulk rolls, 150ft which is about 30 rolls of 36exp give or take. Yes, instead of the usual 100ft = 20 rolls because of the thinner Estar-AH base allows that 50% extra per roll -- you could make 50 exp. rolls or so! > You could also use one of the more modern microfilms like > gigabit/copex/imagelink, but I haven't tried those. Seems difficult. And, as stated in a previous post, I would like some "real world" conditions. > Tech pan certainly would work best in technidol but is still usable in > other developers. Even in paper developer... but always with a high, harsh contrast. > for color neg, I'd use Ektar 25 if you can find enough of it , or Ektar 100 > (the current modern version) if ektar 25 is too hard to find in quantity. Seems a sensible option. Anyone here has experience with Ektar 100? > for color slide, K25 or Velvia 50. Oh, Kodachrome... years ago I had a roll of PKR64 returned... I don't think I could develop it any more :-( > From: Chuck Norcutt > > But is there any sense to use a film with higher resolution than what > you're going to shoot with after the test? Well, although my most used film is Tri-X @ 1600, I _sometimes_ go much slower, like Delta 100 or Pan F. These were some of the considered options in this thread. Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 22:00:32 2009 Received: (qmail 19861 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 20:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 20:00:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1441E182E6 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEBCAE240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B714F19F493 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:00:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF90A19F498 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:00:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so110890bwz.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:00:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.121.208 with SMTP id i16mr3657204far.32.1247083223391; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:00:23 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 22:00:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54fae0310273900897491 Hi Bob and all, > From: Bob Whitmire > > www.bwp33.com > I see it this way: :-( Reminds me of an old thread... Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 22:15:30 2009 Received: (qmail 30437 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 20:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 20:15:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B620E182B8 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1280AE240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA77D19F4C5 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:15:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8C819ED57 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:15:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FC5461661 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:39:02 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3CF3D3F0-5C9F-4854-A516-45402142A6F9@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <178DD7B9-F302-4B43-98BA-CE0AC04FB490@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:15:20 +0100 References: <178DD7B9-F302-4B43-98BA-CE0AC04FB490@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another beach panorama, this time with the rights bits from Manfrotto X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 22:15:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a54fe62257701879814018 Ah, that's better, Nathan. I couldn't really appreciate the panoramae (:-)) from the thumbnails. This one is good, bar the blurred lady in the water at around 1230. Chris On 4 Jul 2009, at 19:41, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Making the panos is becoming easier and more pleasant now that I have > all the needed bits and pieces from Manfrotto. This one is from El > Campello beach earlier this afternoon: > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/belgiangator/panorama/El_Campello_2.jpg.html > > This one is around 180 degrees, made from 12 images with the 35mm > Summarit. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 22:24:20 2009 Received: (qmail 3467 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 20:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 20:24:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB4CE182F2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228FFE240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1671134AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:24:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C18134AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:24:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so122922bwz.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:24:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.105.72 with SMTP id s8mr3708182fao.9.1247084654171; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:24:14 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens testing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 22:24:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a550074152931234514069 Hi Ken and all, > From: Ken Norton > > If you use a transluminant target which can achieve greater than 20:1 the > lateral halation becomes quite obvious. I have thought of placing a (lit) LED in order to have a "visual plot" of aberrations... but then, sensor/film issues should be considered! > Ilford HP5 holds a place of honor in > my experience as the most lateral-halation prone film I've ever used. I've > had highlights from one image leak into the adjacent image! The FP4 seems similar, IMHO. OTOH, that expired KB21 seems great in that respect! ;-) Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 22:31:20 2009 Received: (qmail 23486 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 20:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 20:31:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D00E182EF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC467E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D8834AC07A for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:31:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E3D34AC078 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:31:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KMH00I4CD00JNA1@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:31:12 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-9-192.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.9.192]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:31:12 -0300 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:31:12 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <173BC8171C3E451FB680091746CD5822@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8LAGueVEoYignA/2dsb2JhbACBS4ktxn8Jg38Fg2I X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,370,1243825200"; d="scan'208";a="20579997" X-EsetScannerBuild: 5217 References: <178DD7B9-F302-4B43-98BA-CE0AC04FB490@frozenlight.eu> <3CF3D3F0-5C9F-4854-A516-45402142A6F9@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another beach panorama, this time with the rights bits from Manfrotto X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 22:31:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55021852616107113666 Are the Summarit lenses for the M8 substantially the same [build quality, performance, etc] as the present day Summarit-M lenses? During a recent visit to the UK I chanced upon a Leica MP with a Summarit-M 50mm / f2.5 . The dealer praised the body but was cool about the lens saying that it a "beginner / introductory line" and doubted that it was made in Germany. Just curious jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another beach panorama,this time with the rights bits from Manfrotto > Ah, that's better, Nathan. I couldn't really appreciate the panoramae > (:-)) from the thumbnails. > > This one is good, bar the blurred lady in the water at around 1230. > > Chris > > On 4 Jul 2009, at 19:41, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> Making the panos is becoming easier and more pleasant now that I have >> all the needed bits and pieces from Manfrotto. This one is from El >> Campello beach earlier this afternoon: >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/belgiangator/panorama/El_Campello_2.jpg.html >> >> This one is around 180 degrees, made from 12 images with the 35mm >> Summarit. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4225 (20090708) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4225 (20090708) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 22:52:00 2009 Received: (qmail 11079 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 20:51:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 20:51:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9CDE182ED for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53663E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3517834AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:51:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F2234AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:51:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so136723bwz.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:51:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.100.11 with SMTP id w11mr7351488bkn.32.1247086313803; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:51:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:51:53 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 806a1161ff130ef1 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens testing X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 22:52:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5506f029256107113666 > > The FP4 seems similar, IMHO. OTOH, that expired KB21 seems great in that > respect! ;-) > LOL, you are right. FP4 is like HP5 in the halation department. Back to Delta 100 then.... :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 22:55:31 2009 Received: (qmail 16055 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 20:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 20:55:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DB7E182E6 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E8EE240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0933D19F5F7 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:55:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32CE419F5ED for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:55:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so138417bwz.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:55:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.67.141 with SMTP id r13mr7362303bki.166.1247086522514; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:55:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:55:22 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0266da9a1f03a415 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 22:55:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5507c3218341879814018 > > Yes, it's a shame for me -- that prevents the use of an OM body + Winder > for > an automated meteor shower recorder :-( > OM-1md, OM-1n, OM-3, OM-3Ti. You won't get TTL, though, so the old OM-1 would be as nice. But for most > subjects, with a _good_ flash there's no much need for TTL... > Maybe that OM-3Ti really does have a place in the world. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 23:22:13 2009 Received: (qmail 23207 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 21:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 21:22:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F3EE1822B for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC67BE240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEECB1CD4A6 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:22:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6984D1CD495 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:22:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 24 days 01:46:18 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-33-46.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.33.46]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n68LLoHR021216 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:21:51 -0300 Message-ID: <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:21:58 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?first_one_with_the_300mm_=83/4=2C5?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 23:22:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a550e05263115034211378 C.H., thanks a lot for looking and commenting. Could not answer before, = it's been a busy day and still not finished. Yes, it is obviously big and obstructive - so big in fact, that I = couldn't move it. And stubborn too: it wouldn't move no matter how sweet I spoke to it. = Perhaps deaf, but it wouldn't say either ;-) Agree, it's not a good composition, it's only the best I could find = after I saw the hole in the 'omb=FA' trunk, and the oblique lighting was = changing too quickly. As always, I learn something from your words: this = time you lead me into investigating how do painters (the whole = Impressionism would be = worth looking at) cope with focus in landscapes ... seems to me they = don't care about it: they can put everything in focus, always. Not true, OOF and other techniques for achieve three-dimensionality were = invented since Renaissance painting ... Cheers, Fernando. ** C.H.Ling wrote: > In most cases I have no problem with front OOF object but this time.... i= t = > is just too big and obstructive. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > > First one I had the time to scan: > > Tripod mounted Zuiko 300mm =83/4,5 @ =83/8, Olmpus OM 4 on MultiSpot mode, > MLU and Diaphragm prefire, Winder 2, Eyecup 1. > > Velvia 50 - aRGB > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3699897721/ > -- link to 1280, link to see on black. > > Yes, I preferred =83/8 (maybe it's =83/11 and I didn't check right ... ) = to > get some roughness in the tree at the front - at =83/4,5 there was no > detail, and even the green leaves were oof !. > > Opinions, advice, comments are welcome. > > :-) > > Fernando. > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 8 23:51:06 2009 Received: (qmail 21885 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 21:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 21:51:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC357E182E2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFB5E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4273134AC077 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:50:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21EA34AC029 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:50:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so164099bwz.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:50:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.100.201 with SMTP id z9mr7361771bkn.168.1247089853550; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:50:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:50:53 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b406a1ac67622f6c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] =?utf-8?q?first_one_with_the_300mm_=C6=92/4=2C5?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 8 23:51:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5514ca272941234514069 Fernando, just an observation, but it looks like you need to dust off the mirror in your scanner. There is a haze look to the photograph which looks like light scattering on the mirror. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 00:01:49 2009 Received: (qmail 11500 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 22:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 22:01:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375B6E182EB for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1465E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C489D34AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:01:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B613D34AC029 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:01:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 24 days 02:25:58 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-33-46.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.33.46]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n68M1UdP024056 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:01:31 -0300 Message-ID: <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:01:38 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?first_one_with_the_300mm_=83/4=2C5?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 00:01:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55174d295081136683642 Ken, done so last year and it's always covered with cloth and nylon. Mirror should still be clean. I cannot see the haze, but I pray it could be an artifact of Intellisharpen, on which I'm starting o get acquainted. Fernando. -- must go now Ken Norton wrote: > Fernando, just an observation, but it looks like you need to dust off the > mirror in your scanner. There is a haze look to the photograph which looks > like light scattering on the mirror. > > AG > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 00:03:24 2009 Received: (qmail 10840 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 22:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 22:03:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF119E182C8 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE6AE240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2A63610001 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:03:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013EA34AC029 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:03:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11984 invoked by uid 502); 8 Jul 2009 22:03:14 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jul 2009 22:03:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4A551797.8080202@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:03:03 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A5420C7.9010603@gmail.com> <4A54ED73.6010508@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A54ED73.6010508@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 00:03:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5517ac255567801554290 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Whatever you might have said about color match (actually, look for "match color" Oops, sorry about the word reversal. > or you won't find it in PS help) has been lost to my leaky memory since I > a) didn't remember such a thing existed and > b) haven't been able to figure out how to use it. > > Using curves is actually pretty simple and can be done in about 30 seconds. > That technique works fine where there there is no luminance detail at all and on very small areas. In this set of images of David's, that's mostly true. On 3, though, painting a single color onto the woman's chest would look very artificial, whereas Match Color retains the subtle luminance shading, even into the shadows, while recreating the lost skin tones. The details of highlight recovery vary with different RAW converters. According to dpreview's comparison, ACR was the most aggressive in recovering color detail, even where correct color is lost through unrecoverable clipping of 1-2 channels. Some other converters are more conservative, simply going completely to shades of gray in the areas where at least one channel has clipped. Dcraw has options for highlight color recovery from very conservative up to a very aggressive level of color inference, which varies in results from very good to useless. Where color is lost, but luminance detail remains, Match Color can do apparent magic. Ian's snail is a good example. Simply using the PS Highlight tool recovers lots of compressed luminance detail, but with almost no color. Whether this is a result of highlight recovery in RAW conversion or of JPEG processing doesn't matter here, only that it provides such a clear example. In the original, both color and luminance detail are lost to the eye over a large part of the shell. Roll over the image to see what is recoverable with Highlight. Almost the whole of the shell now has luminance detail showing the texture and patterns of the subject, but the bright area is almost pure grayscale. Click on the image to see what Match Color can do. Match Color takes the color palette of a source image or selection and overlays it on the luminance information of a target image or selection. It also has a Luminance slider to move the resulting palette brighter or darker and other adjustments. If done on a separate level, the same selection used for Match Color target can be set as a mask. I usually choose a slightly larger than necessary target area, to allow edge refinement of the mask. For the snail, I chose as source most of the non-clipped shell and for target, the blown area. The colors are a perfect match because they come from the same subject in areas not overexposed. I can't imagine correcting the snail by hand; the labor would be much greater than simply copying color palette across. I don't think that simply manipulating Levels & Curves by channel could do it right, as the mix appears to change with brightness. I also know that there are variations in subtlety of color perception. David, AG, C.H. and others here appear to have more of that than I do. When I used to go birding with a friend, it was amusing when a bird flew by for just a glimpse. She would pick up the colors better than I and I would pick up the shapes, bars and marking details that she missed. Using Match Color, I don't have to rely on my color vision to get the replacement color right, it comes from the image itself. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 00:06:24 2009 Received: (qmail 27678 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 22:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 22:06:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8BCE182C7 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3CCE240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765D81CD49B for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:06:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC0C1CD49A for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:06:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15929 invoked by uid 502); 8 Jul 2009 22:06:18 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jul 2009 22:06:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4A551852.3030404@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:06:10 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4FD4CD.3060902@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5381A7.8030506@verizon.net> <4A5386D6.2020804@chucknorcutt.com> <4A549414.10405@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4A549414.10405@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Gettin' Ready for the Fireworks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 00:06:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a551860270311946193717 John Hermanson wrote: > ... After the show, the kids ran around the field with sparklers : http://www.zuiko.com/index_050.htm > Nice effects! Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 00:07:42 2009 Received: (qmail 28583 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 22:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 22:07:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9F0E181A5 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6EBE240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35C234AC07C for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:07:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8907234AC07A for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:07:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17566 invoked by uid 502); 8 Jul 2009 22:07:34 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-165-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.165.62) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jul 2009 22:07:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4A55189F.6040806@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:07:27 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> <4A52E0C2.3030009@gmail.com> <4A5330CB.8060605@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5428E0.1030905@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 00:07:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5518ae234321006886880 Ken Norton wrote: >> I was thinking of a wise-ass comment or so along those lines, but, for once, resisted. :- > > LOL, here I was sitting on my hands keeping myself from making some comment that would be lampooned somewhere down the road. > Nice try at deflection, but you haven't answered the question. ;-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 00:32:06 2009 Received: (qmail 11921 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 22:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 22:32:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10ACFE182B4 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B6AE240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2985034AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:32:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451F734AC077 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:31:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19580 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jul 2009 22:31:57 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090708-0, 07/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Gettin' Ready for the Fireworks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 00:32:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a551e66212936107113666 Nice. Somehow I missed that one on the first go-around. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > John Hermanson wrote: >> ... After the show, the kids ran around the field with sparklers : http://www.zuiko.com/index_050.htm >> > > Nice effects! > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 01:41:45 2009 Received: (qmail 22308 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 23:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 23:41:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94959E182DF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2634E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2EF719F6F7 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2298F19F6F4 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7225 invoked by uid 504); 8 Jul 2009 23:41:34 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jul 2009 23:41:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4A552EAD.80702@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:41:33 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A5420C7.9010603@gmail.com> <4A54ED73.6010508@chucknorcutt.com> <4A551797.8080202@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A551797.8080202@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090708-0, 07/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 01:41:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a552eb9304229730998309 I'm still not quite sure how to use Match Color but I just did do a little experiment with the shell and (sort of) duplicated your results. With some more practice I think I'll have it. And I do agree it's much better over a large area where there *is* luminance data to work with. As you noted, David's shot had no luminance data at all so everything had to be constructed from scratch. I think the best approach there was painting under mask. If you us a low opacity and flow rate then you can create a bit of variation here and there such that it doesn't look artificial. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Whatever you might have said about color match (actually, look for "match color" > > Oops, sorry about the word reversal. > >> or you won't find it in PS help) has been lost to my leaky memory since I >> a) didn't remember such a thing existed and >> b) haven't been able to figure out how to use it. >> >> Using curves is actually pretty simple and can be done in about 30 seconds. >> > > That technique works fine where there there is no luminance detail at > all and on very small areas. In this set of images of David's, that's > mostly true. On 3, though, painting a single color onto the woman's > chest would look very artificial, whereas Match Color retains the subtle > luminance shading, even into the shadows, while recreating the lost skin > tones. > > The details of highlight recovery vary with different RAW converters. > According to dpreview's comparison, ACR was the most aggressive in > recovering color detail, even where correct color is lost through > unrecoverable clipping of 1-2 channels. Some other converters are more > conservative, simply going completely to shades of gray in the areas > where at least one channel has clipped. Dcraw has options for highlight > color recovery from very conservative up to a very aggressive level of > color inference, which varies in results from very good to useless. > > Where color is lost, but luminance detail remains, Match Color can do > apparent magic. Ian's snail is a good example. Simply using the PS > Highlight tool recovers lots of compressed luminance detail, but with > almost no color. Whether this is a result of highlight recovery in RAW > conversion or of JPEG processing doesn't matter here, only that it > provides such a clear example. > > In the original, both color and luminance detail are lost to the eye > over a large part of the shell. Roll over the image to see what is > recoverable with Highlight. Almost the whole of the shell now has > luminance detail showing the texture and patterns of the subject, but > the bright area is almost pure grayscale. Click on the image to see what > Match Color can do. > > > Match Color takes the color palette of a source image or selection and > overlays it on the luminance information of a target image or selection. > It also has a Luminance slider to move the resulting palette brighter or > darker and other adjustments. If done on a separate level, the same > selection used for Match Color target can be set as a mask. I usually > choose a slightly larger than necessary target area, to allow edge > refinement of the mask. For the snail, I chose as source most of the > non-clipped shell and for target, the blown area. The colors are a > perfect match because they come from the same subject in areas not > overexposed. > > I can't imagine correcting the snail by hand; the labor would be much > greater than simply copying color palette across. I don't think that > simply manipulating Levels & Curves by channel could do it right, as the > mix appears to change with brightness. > > I also know that there are variations in subtlety of color perception. > David, AG, C.H. and others here appear to have more of that than I do. > When I used to go birding with a friend, it was amusing when a bird flew > by for just a glimpse. She would pick up the colors better than I and I > would pick up the shapes, bars and marking details that she missed. > > Using Match Color, I don't have to rely on my color vision to get the > replacement color right, it comes from the image itself. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 01:42:33 2009 Received: (qmail 7928 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2009 23:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 23:42:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528D3E182E7 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D1BE240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2228E34AC077 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:42:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923B834AC029 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:42:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.172]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n68NgGVK020772 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:42:16 +1000 Message-Id: <200907082342.n68NgGVK020772@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:42:16 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:42:16 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 01:42:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a552ee930181879814018 > Ken Norton wrote: > > It's a > strange bird. > > A lot like its owner. > and if you hadn't said that somebody else would've ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 03:48:23 2009 Received: (qmail 213 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 01:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 01:48:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF6FE182F2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FB4E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDB51CD492 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:48:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8CE1CD486 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:48:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f211.google.com (mail-bw0-f211.google.com [209.85.218.211]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so3080964bwz.8 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:48:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.134 with SMTP id v6mr196647bkq.2.1247104095745; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:48:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:48:15 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 39b3e7e524f22ec9 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] =?utf-8?q?first_one_with_the_300mm_=C6=92/4=2C5?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 03:48:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a554c6714931560218263 > > Ken, done so last year and it's always covered with cloth and > nylon. Mirror should still be clean. I cannot see the haze, but I pray > it could be an artifact of Intellisharpen, on which I'm starting o get > acquainted. > Of course, what I'm seeing could be an artifact of the 300/4.5 too. We'd have to consider the slide itself. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 03:49:40 2009 Received: (qmail 8767 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 01:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 01:49:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C826E182CB for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1E0E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2930C1CD492 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:49:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F281CD486 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:49:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so4893732fxm.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:49:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.120.16 with SMTP id b16mr185919bkr.64.1247104174179; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:49:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A55189F.6040806@gmail.com> References: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> <4A52E0C2.3030009@gmail.com> <4A5330CB.8060605@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5428E0.1030905@gmail.com> <4A55189F.6040806@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:49:34 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: eaf61338380c32fe Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 03:49:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a554cb481301357919056 > > Nice try at deflection, but you haven't answered the question. ;-) > Huh? ;) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 03:54:25 2009 Received: (qmail 1876 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 01:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 01:54:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA66EE182E0 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D919E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BCC34AC029 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:54:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F33834AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:54:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so233891bwz.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:54:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.12 with SMTP id t12mr165463bkq.158.1247104458051; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:54:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A552EAD.80702@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A5420C7.9010603@gmail.com> <4A54ED73.6010508@chucknorcutt.com> <4A551797.8080202@gmail.com> <4A552EAD.80702@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:54:18 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ac52285400037141 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 03:54:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a554dd1130161744846740 If I really wanted to recover the highlights in her chest or on his head, I would have brushed in some localized HSV Noise, and then cloned COLOR REPLACE from the surrounding skin. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 04:37:22 2009 Received: (qmail 31337 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 02:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 02:37:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFA2E1822D for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8DFE240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58E934AC078 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:37:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE37C34AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:37:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 24 days 07:01:22 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-61-17.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.61.17]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n692asgr009856 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:36:55 -0300 Message-ID: <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:37:02 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?first_one_with_the_300mm_=83/4=2C5?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 04:37:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5557e2274576789618724 I may begin by ruling out an error made by a newbie. Specially when the wannabe photographer starts doing a scan too late at night and finishes it at 4 am ;-) Adjusted levels, curves and lightness, and right now the slide has been fed into the 4000ED. Yes, I saw what you had seen: I adjusted those parameters wrong, for a start. Certainly things worsened when doing highlights/shadows. I was not too happy with a red shift of the Velvia, this issue biased my judgement. Scanning has finished, shall upload soon. Thank you ! Fernando. Ken Norton wrote: >> Ken, done so last year and it's always covered with cloth and >> nylon. Mirror should still be clean. I cannot see the haze, but I pray >> it could be an artifact of Intellisharpen, on which I'm starting o get >> acquainted. >> >> > > > Of course, what I'm seeing could be an artifact of the 300/4.5 too. We'd > have to consider the slide itself. > > AG > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 05:02:32 2009 Received: (qmail 14726 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 03:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 03:02:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC71E18228 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E94CE240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1BA34AC078 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D187B34AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:02:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7671 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jul 2009 03:02:25 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 05:02:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a555dc8119471612113968 HSV noise? Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > If I really wanted to recover the highlights in her chest or on his head, I > would have brushed in some localized HSV Noise, and then cloned COLOR > REPLACE from the surrounding skin. > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 05:36:06 2009 Received: (qmail 26855 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 03:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 03:36:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08CCE182C7 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF895E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D755734AC062 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:36:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685BB34AC029 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:35:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so255651bwz.14 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:35:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.64.196 with SMTP id f4mr224118bki.151.1247110557051; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:35:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A555DC0.5030009@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A5420C7.9010603@gmail.com> <4A54ED73.6010508@chucknorcutt.com> <4A551797.8080202@gmail.com> <4A552EAD.80702@chucknorcutt.com> <4A555DC0.5030009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:56 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c656bc9e22b5431d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 05:36:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5565a6145211342116753 > > HSV noise? > Hue, Saturation, Value -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 05:38:15 2009 Received: (qmail 23525 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 03:38:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 03:38:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDD3E182B8 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA9CE240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E7E34AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:38:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345E934AC029 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:38:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 24 days 08:02:19 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-61-17.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.61.17]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n693bk5m014422; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:37:47 -0300 Message-ID: <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:37:54 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion , Ken Norton , "Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas" References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?=5BIMG=5D_first_one_with_the_300mm_=83/4=2C?= =?windows-1252?q?5?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 05:38:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a556627163856789618724 It's here: link to 1280, link to view on black. Still hazy !? Disassembling and cleaning the mirror is not that terrible. Problem is to assemble the mirror back into place. I think that when I did so on May 2008, it fitted somehow twisted, and the crop never draws exactly on the border of the plastic slide's frame :-( Fernando. Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > I may begin by ruling out an error made by a newbie. > Specially when the wannabe photographer starts doing a scan too late at > night and finishes it at 4 am ;-) > > Adjusted levels, curves and lightness, and right now the slide has been > fed into the 4000ED. > > Yes, I saw what you had seen: I adjusted those parameters wrong, for a > start. Certainly things worsened when doing highlights/shadows. > > I was not too happy with a red shift of the Velvia, this issue biased my > judgement. > > Scanning has finished, shall upload soon. > > Thank you ! > > Fernando. > > Ken Norton wrote: > >>> Ken, done so last year and it's always covered with cloth and >>> nylon. Mirror should still be clean. I cannot see the haze, but I pray >>> it could be an artifact of Intellisharpen, on which I'm starting o get >>> acquainted. >>> >>> >>> >> Of course, what I'm seeing could be an artifact of the 300/4.5 too. We'd >> have to consider the slide itself. >> >> AG >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 08:11:06 2009 Received: (qmail 28476 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 06:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 06:11:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B55E182DB for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01447E240B2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6FC34AC070 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:11:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0278034AC029 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:11:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n696AoVO029111 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:10:57 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:10:49 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BIMG=5D_first_one_with_the_300mm_f/4=2C5?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 08:11:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5589fa151281744846740 Yes, hazy is still there, 4000ED is famous for flare, I believe the problem is due to the poor lens system. I had lots of hard time in scanning high contrast slides. I remember a worse case was a lady wearing black fur standing beside a white car under the sun, film was Kodakchrome 64. The slide itself looked very nice and clean but the scan had lots of white diffused to the black fur, it took me lots of time to touch up the scan with PS. I sent the scanner to N*kon for through cleaning, they did charged me for that but there was zero improvement. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > It's here: > > > > link to 1280, link to view on black. > > Still hazy !? > Disassembling and cleaning the mirror is not that terrible. Problem is > to assemble the mirror back into place. > I think that when I did so on May 2008, it fitted somehow twisted, and > the crop never draws exactly on the border of the plastic slide's frame > :-( > > Fernando. > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> I may begin by ruling out an error made by a newbie. >> Specially when the wannabe photographer starts doing a scan too late at >> night and finishes it at 4 am ;-) >> >> Adjusted levels, curves and lightness, and right now the slide has been >> fed into the 4000ED. >> >> Yes, I saw what you had seen: I adjusted those parameters wrong, for a >> start. Certainly things worsened when doing highlights/shadows. >> >> I was not too happy with a red shift of the Velvia, this issue biased my >> judgement. >> >> Scanning has finished, shall upload soon. >> >> Thank you ! >> >> Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 12:35:35 2009 Received: (qmail 27668 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 10:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 10:35:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54844E180CB for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 03:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07ECAE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 03:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D477434AC062 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 03:35:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D8C34AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 03:35:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 03:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31025 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jul 2009 10:35:25 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jul 2009 10:35:25 -0000 Message-ID: <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:35:24 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090708-0, 07/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4,5 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 12:35:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55c7f763435034211378 I'm afraid I don't see any "haze" and have no idea what y'all are carryin' on about. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Yes, hazy is still there, 4000ED is famous for flare, I believe the problem > is due to the poor lens system. I had lots of hard time in scanning high > contrast slides. I remember a worse case was a lady wearing black fur > standing beside a white car under the sun, film was Kodakchrome 64. The > slide itself looked very nice and clean but the scan had lots of white > diffused to the black fur, it took me lots of time to touch up the scan with > PS. I sent the scanner to N*kon for through cleaning, they did charged me > for that but there was zero improvement. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > >> It's here: >> >> >> >> link to 1280, link to view on black. >> >> Still hazy !? >> Disassembling and cleaning the mirror is not that terrible. Problem is >> to assemble the mirror back into place. >> I think that when I did so on May 2008, it fitted somehow twisted, and >> the crop never draws exactly on the border of the plastic slide's frame >> :-( >> >> Fernando. >> >> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >>> I may begin by ruling out an error made by a newbie. >>> Specially when the wannabe photographer starts doing a scan too late at >>> night and finishes it at 4 am ;-) >>> >>> Adjusted levels, curves and lightness, and right now the slide has been >>> fed into the 4000ED. >>> >>> Yes, I saw what you had seen: I adjusted those parameters wrong, for a >>> start. Certainly things worsened when doing highlights/shadows. >>> >>> I was not too happy with a red shift of the Velvia, this issue biased my >>> judgement. >>> >>> Scanning has finished, shall upload soon. >>> >>> Thank you ! >>> >>> Fernando. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 12:47:04 2009 Received: (qmail 8291 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 10:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 10:47:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A616FE182D1 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 03:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A967CE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 03:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA3934AC070 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 03:46:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D4E34AC062 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 03:46:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 03:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6807 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jul 2009 10:46:58 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 12:47:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55caa8139111946193717 Ah, "HSV noise" is a GIMP term. Not a PhotoShop term. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> HSV noise? >> > > Hue, Saturation, Value -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 13:23:55 2009 Received: (qmail 20941 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 11:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 11:23:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC20E181A5 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D108E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2D319E492 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:23:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F65319E485 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:23:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jgettis81@earthlink.net whitelisted) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.175.110.96] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MOrjA-0000dw-Jt for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:23:48 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200974911234882@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:23:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da940458f3784733e198bf2922e8f83be6263350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.110.96 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Adorama repalcement battery for blm-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 13:23:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55d34b324461234514069 Has anyone got one of these. Do they work correctly? http://www.adorama.com/IBYBLM1.html jgettis81@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 13:25:19 2009 Received: (qmail 21078 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 11:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 11:25:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B779E18308 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AAAE240E0 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D9534AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F60A34AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.25]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.229] (229.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.229]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7651E3DA479 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:25:12 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:25:13 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A567C59.18718.1DB942B@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090708-0, 08/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 13:25:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55d39f223221950411718 Ken Norton wrote > The only real advantage the E-1 has over the E-3 is in > grip-shape, body-shape (debateable), control-layout (I love the > Autofocus switch--it is pure genius) Which autofocus switch are you referring to?? The AEL button just above the thumb? I certainly like the shape and functionality (handling, features layout, size and weight) of the E1 over the E-510 and the E-3. But I do seem to get more detail from the shots with more megapixels. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 13:25:19 2009 Received: (qmail 30242 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 11:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 11:25:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E09E18302 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A10E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4A234AC062 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4542A34AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.25]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.229] (229.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.229]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52FC33DA6BE for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:25:11 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:25:12 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A567C58.6737.1DB92A4@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090708-0, 08/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 13:25:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55d39f59501234514069 Hi all, I have a chance to buy a Zuiko ED 50mm f/2 Macro + Extension Tube EX- 25 for $NZ 650 = 410.50 USD This macro seems very sharp (from reviews I've read) and I do take macro / closeup shots quite a lot on occasion. Do you think this is good value for money? I'm not sure how values in digital lenses are going these days. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 13:51:24 2009 Received: (qmail 4793 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 11:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 11:51:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D24E182DD for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FAAE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C92234AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:51:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215F734AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:51:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n69BpFFg032178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:51:17 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A567C58.6737.1DB92A4@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4A567C58.6737.1DB92A4@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:51:04 +1000 Message-ID: <000001ca008b$8abcbec0$a0363c40$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcoAh/CPtyLHJEvVSzS/jkWVLULi0gAAxWxg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 13:51:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55d9bc137641136683642 > > I have a chance to buy a Zuiko ED 50mm f/2 Macro + Extension Tube EX- > 25 for $NZ 650 = 410.50 USD > KEH have one listed in EX+ condition for $US399, shipping might add $US40 to NZ, so it sounds like a good deal. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 13:55:44 2009 Received: (qmail 11831 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 11:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 11:55:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A386E182EB for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEE2E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBA534AC062 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:55:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D900D34AC030 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:55:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n69BtY5r014125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:55:36 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A567C58.6737.1DB92A4@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4A567C58.6737.1DB92A4@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:55:23 +1000 Message-ID: <000101ca008c$2540b6e0$6fc224a0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcoAh/CPtyLHJEvVSzS/jkWVLULi0gAA9pVg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 13:55:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55dac0117091234514069 > > I have a chance to buy a Zuiko ED 50mm f/2 Macro + Extension Tube EX- > 25 for $NZ 650 = 410.50 USD > > This macro seems very sharp (from reviews I've read) and I do take > macro / > closeup shots quite a lot on occasion. > It's a great lens, excellent resolution and the bokeh with a 50mm fl makes it ideal for portraiture too. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 14:12:04 2009 Received: (qmail 28695 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 12:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 12:12:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76817E182E6 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1406AE240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36F019E42E for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:11:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5584B19E626 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:11:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1725 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jul 2009 12:11:56 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jul 2009 12:11:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4A55DE8B.5010807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:11:55 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A567C58.6737.1DB92A4@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4A567C58.6737.1DB92A4@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090708-0, 07/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 14:12:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55de9411441744846740 KEH has an EX+ 50/2 for 399 USD. Looks like a fair deal considering the extension tube and if both are in very good condition. But note that KEH BGN grade would carry a much lower price, perhaps as much as 1/3. But note that KEH prices also carry a satisfaction guarantee. Chuck norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a chance to buy a Zuiko ED 50mm f/2 Macro + Extension Tube EX- > 25 for $NZ 650 = 410.50 USD > > This macro seems very sharp (from reviews I've read) and I do take macro / > closeup shots quite a lot on occasion. Do you think this is good value for > money? I'm not sure how values in digital lenses are going these days. > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 14:32:20 2009 Received: (qmail 9543 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 12:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 12:32:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE62EE182B4 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BABE240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F50634AC077 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:32:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42C934AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:32:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.220.211]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMI00BTILHEHS60@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:32:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A55E344.6020901@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:32:04 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 14:32:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55e35447341234514069 B + winder on OM-1/1N gives you a shutter speed around 1/500th. Same thing on OM-2/2N. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > Hi Fernando and all, > > From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile > > >> Late last night I found the answer >> to my question on page 60 of its Manual: "You cannot use the motor >> drive, winders and flashes with the mechanical shutter". > > > Yes, it's a shame for me -- that prevents the use of an OM body + Winder for > an automated meteor shower recorder :-( > > >> While I agree with Moose on the inherent contradiction in using a -drive >> at 1/60, > > > As you see, B + winder would be nice sometimes... I know some cameras are > powered by the winder/motor drive source when fitted. > > >> I'm a little disappointed by the flash issue. > > > You won't get TTL, though, so the old OM-1 would be as nice. But for most > subjects, with a _good_ flash there's no much need for TTL... > > > >> Fortunately, John >> says something different at Hawkins' site - shall investigate it. >> > > ? > > >> Moose: I didn't want to force the thread, but the chrome cap in the 4 >> body doesn't quite fit in mine. It may, perhaps, if I insist but ... why >> bother ;-) > > > Most likely a tolerances issue. As John told, chrome caps ara highly > recommended. > > >> --- if absent for a while, it's because I'm learning software >> engineering by myself ;-) > > > ROTFLMAOL!!!!!!!!! > > Cheers, -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 14:37:22 2009 Received: (qmail 370 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 12:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 12:37:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCA1E182EC for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C80DE240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AED334AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:37:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DF734AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:37:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.220.211]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMI000UELPZUDU6@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:37:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A55E47A.8010305@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:37:14 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] OM-4T Champagne X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 14:37:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55e482118025368819438 Stolen from insured mail on the way back to its owner in Greece, OM-4T CH #1118273. This has not happened in a while. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 14:38:25 2009 Received: (qmail 9480 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 12:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 12:38:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3946AE182B5 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE68E240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F5534AC077 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:38:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC47134AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:38:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.220.211]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMI007YILR4ZPP8@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:37:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A55E4A3.10509@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:37:55 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4FD4CD.3060902@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5381A7.8030506@verizon.net> <4A5386D6.2020804@chucknorcutt.com> <4A549414.10405@verizon.net> <4A551852.3030404@gmail.com> <4A551E5C.2090003@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4A551E5C.2090003@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Gettin' Ready for the Fireworks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 14:38:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55e4c165401076813867 I added the second picture and the sparkler shots more recently. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Nice. Somehow I missed that one on the first go-around. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Moose wrote: >> John Hermanson wrote: >>> ... After the show, the kids ran around the field with sparklers : http://www.zuiko.com/index_050.htm >>> >> Nice effects! >> >> Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 14:48:35 2009 Received: (qmail 340 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 12:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 12:48:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367F4E182B8 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61270E240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CA534AC062 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:48:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2599034AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:48:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2307 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jul 2009 12:47:05 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jul 2009 12:47:05 -0000 Message-ID: <4A55E6C8.3030609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:47:04 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A55E344.6020901@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4A55E344.6020901@verizon.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090708-0, 07/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 14:48:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55e723265921413256596 Not exactly what one would expect. :-) Chuck Norcutt John Hermanson wrote: > B + winder on OM-1/1N gives you a shutter speed around 1/500th. Same > thing on OM-2/2N. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: >> Hi Fernando and all, >> >> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile >> >> >>> Late last night I found the answer >>> to my question on page 60 of its Manual: "You cannot use the motor >>> drive, winders and flashes with the mechanical shutter". >> >> Yes, it's a shame for me -- that prevents the use of an OM body + Winder for >> an automated meteor shower recorder :-( >> >> >>> While I agree with Moose on the inherent contradiction in using a -drive >>> at 1/60, >> >> As you see, B + winder would be nice sometimes... I know some cameras are >> powered by the winder/motor drive source when fitted. >> >> >>> I'm a little disappointed by the flash issue. >> >> You won't get TTL, though, so the old OM-1 would be as nice. But for most >> subjects, with a _good_ flash there's no much need for TTL... >> >> >> >>> Fortunately, John >>> says something different at Hawkins' site - shall investigate it. >>> >> ? >> >> >>> Moose: I didn't want to force the thread, but the chrome cap in the 4 >>> body doesn't quite fit in mine. It may, perhaps, if I insist but ... why >>> bother ;-) >> >> Most likely a tolerances issue. As John told, chrome caps ara highly >> recommended. >> >> >>> --- if absent for a while, it's because I'm learning software >>> engineering by myself ;-) >> >> ROTFLMAOL!!!!!!!!! >> >> Cheers, -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 14:54:46 2009 Received: (qmail 13906 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 12:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 12:54:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9170AE182B5 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DA3E240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2FA34AC062 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:54:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A482E34AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:54:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10381 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jul 2009 12:52:25 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jul 2009 12:52:25 -0000 Message-ID: <4A55E808.7080503@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:52:24 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <380-2200974911234882@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <380-2200974911234882@earthlink.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090708-0, 07/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Adorama repalcement battery for blm-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 14:54:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55e896159696789618724 I don't think there's any serious question about whether it will work. That's the easy part of making these things. The real question is whether it's safe. The only way to tell is to open it up to see if it contains the protective circuits it's supposed to have and then test them to see that they actually work if they're there. That will destroy the battery or, you can just count on the reputation of the seller. You're probably OK with Adorama or B&H on these things but I wouldn't buy any from ebay. Chuck Norcutt jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > Has anyone got one of these. Do they work correctly? http://www.adorama.com/IBYBLM1.html > > > jgettis81@earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 14:59:22 2009 Received: (qmail 10451 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 12:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 12:59:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D7DE18229 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15905E240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1B319E433 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:59:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBFA19DF39 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:59:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090709125907981.ODNU19322@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:59:07 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <190814.94113.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:59:06 -0400 References: <190814.94113.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Acadia NP and other stuff X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 14:59:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55e9aa201372013633067 Boris, you and Moose are simply going to have to stop telling people I'm not a grump. You're going to ruin my carefully crafted reputation. Of course I can't hold a candle to Andrew F., so maybe it's just as well the list knows I'm really a pussy cat, a touchy-feely sensitive New Age kind of guy. For the rest of you . . . it was a pleasure to spend an hour or so with Boris and his charming family. (Much more charming than he is, but then we all knew that, didn't we. Just kidding, Boris.) And I do apologize for picking Moody's Diner for a rendezvous. It is a Maine Tourist Attraction since the 1920s, and has killer pies, especially of the whoopie variety, but it does not have beer. When Moose and Madam motored through a few years back, we met at Anchor Inn in Round Pond, which does serve beer. Unfortunately, Boris & Co. were zooming down Route 1 toward Bradbury Mountain State Park. The detour to Round Pond would have cost them more time than they had. As it was, I gave them directions from Bar Harbor that brought them through some of Maine's more, ah, scenic countryside. Definitely Blue Highways stuff. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 15:02:37 2009 Received: (qmail 23609 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 13:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 13:02:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE43E182D4 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3438EE240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D44734AC030 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C439234AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:02:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090709130230112.ZZUA24657@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:02:30 +0000 Message-Id: <3ADA7BB5-11BE-48A0-9E93-73701D2AD472@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <002101c9ffb2$275c6d00$76154700$@com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:02:29 -0400 References: <190814.94113.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A542800.6000103@gmail.com> <002101c9ffb2$275c6d00$76154700$@com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Acadia NP and other stuff X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 15:02:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55ea6d15161076813867 On Jul 8, 2009, at 5:54 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> >> Do people think Bob is a grump? But then, I 've also spent a pleasant >> time with him and some beer, probably in the same restaurant. A >> gentleman. >> > > Perhaps it's the beer that makes the difference ! It's true that Bob goes better with Beer . . . (hum . . . I see a trademark there ), but Moody's has beer-batter onion rings to die for, and, as I said, killer pies--the standards, such as blueberry, but also the famous, or infamous, Whoopie Pie. Moody's also has cinnamon buns as big as your head. If you don't have diabetes before you eat one, you will afterwards . . . --Bob "Goes Better with Beer" Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 15:03:21 2009 Received: (qmail 14397 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 13:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 13:03:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B40E182EF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FA0E240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8319A34AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:03:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6AF34AC070 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:02:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n69D2tIO029685 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:02:56 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy><92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:02:51 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 15:03:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55ea99222115683411216 There are some flare along the edges of the tree (right side). You need a monitor that can see the dark values (my monitor cannot resolve all, only marginally resolved to 3): http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php BTW, I found removing the external calibration (Spyder 2 pro) my monitor gamma values on different colors are more accurate: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php Together with the ability to resolve most of the white values then your monitor should be very good (my monitor can resolve to 253 only). http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/white.php C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > I'm afraid I don't see any "haze" and have no idea what y'all are > carryin' on about. > > Chuck Norcutt > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Yes, hazy is still there, 4000ED is famous for flare, I believe the >> problem >> is due to the poor lens system. I had lots of hard time in scanning high >> contrast slides. I remember a worse case was a lady wearing black fur >> standing beside a white car under the sun, film was Kodakchrome 64. The >> slide itself looked very nice and clean but the scan had lots of white >> diffused to the black fur, it took me lots of time to touch up the scan >> with >> PS. I sent the scanner to N*kon for through cleaning, they did charged me >> for that but there was zero improvement. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" >> >>> It's here: >>> >>> >>> >>> link to 1280, link to view on black. >>> >>> Still hazy !? >>> Disassembling and cleaning the mirror is not that terrible. Problem is >>> to assemble the mirror back into place. >>> I think that when I did so on May 2008, it fitted somehow twisted, and >>> the crop never draws exactly on the border of the plastic slide's frame >>> :-( >>> >>> Fernando. >>> >>> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >>>> I may begin by ruling out an error made by a newbie. >>>> Specially when the wannabe photographer starts doing a scan too late at >>>> night and finishes it at 4 am ;-) >>>> >>>> Adjusted levels, curves and lightness, and right now the slide has been >>>> fed into the 4000ED. >>>> >>>> Yes, I saw what you had seen: I adjusted those parameters wrong, for a >>>> start. Certainly things worsened when doing highlights/shadows. >>>> >>>> I was not too happy with a red shift of the Velvia, this issue biased >>>> my >>>> judgement. >>>> >>>> Scanning has finished, shall upload soon. >>>> >>>> Thank you ! >>>> >>>> Fernando. >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 15:05:23 2009 Received: (qmail 31543 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 13:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 13:05:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F10E182AF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09242E240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFE819E81B for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:05:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8696F19E81A for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:05:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090709130517666.CCM24657@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:05:17 +0000 Message-Id: <00582DAA-1F9F-4F61-AD2E-132ADD62555C@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <002201c9ffb3$6a63e410$3f2bac30$@com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:05:17 -0400 References: <190814.94113.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A542800.6000103@gmail.com> <002201c9ffb3$6a63e410$3f2bac30$@com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Acadia NP and other stuff X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 15:05:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55eb13276211258626592 If I lived in Oz, I wouldn't worry about California wines. The saying goes "Most California cabernets are drunk too young," and it's true. Because it's all cab sav grape, the tannin level is really high, and the better California cab savs need a little cellar time. (Actually, I think they all do, but then that's just me. ) Most of the Oz wines I've had were excellent, and priced right, and, as a rule, preferable to their California cousins. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Jul 8, 2009, at 6:03 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > By the way, I was trying to find a Californian Cabernet Sauvignon > for a tasting a few weeks ago, couldn't find anything locally under > $AU50 a bottle (we normally aim for 6 wines in the tasting for a > total spend of ~$AU150). > I'm not sure what the reason is as I'm sure there is plenty of wine > available in CA for $US20 a bottle, perhaps the Oz importers only > handle the higher end stuff. Anyway Oz Cabernet is relatively cheap > and there is some quite good stuff coming out of Chile too. > > ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 15:08:00 2009 Received: (qmail 2943 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 13:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 13:08:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C19E1822B for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFAACE240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7D934AC070 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:07:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EABF34AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:07:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090709130754862.KUEK21390@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:07:54 +0000 Message-Id: <27C83D1E-BC67-4016-ADD3-3DD53E1E8050@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:07:54 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 15:08:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55ebb01829730998309 Sorry about the troubles. Is your browser updated? Windows? Explorer 8? If you're on a Mac, Firefox or Safari shouldn't do that to you. The key word is "shouldn't." I don't know enough about web authoring to say for sure. But I do know on my Windows machine, I upgraded to Explorer 8 and found something called a "compatibility" icon which has the potential of making bad sites look better. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 8, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > Hi Bob and all, > > >> From: Bob Whitmire >> >> www.bwp33.com >> > > I see it this way: > > :-( > > Reminds me of an old thread... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 15:12:06 2009 Received: (qmail 10658 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 13:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 13:12:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E8FE182E5 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967F5E240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E60B34AC030 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:12:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F8934AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:12:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090709131200288.VALG2041@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:12:00 +0000 Message-Id: <7CAEED96-90C5-4766-8970-843A2762E1E6@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8EE2C76D-7884-44D1-A895-ADE421E06F92@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:11:59 -0400 References: <8EE2C76D-7884-44D1-A895-ADE421E06F92@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Four days in Warsaw X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 15:12:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55eca6282151946193717 Truly good stuff, Nathan. We have company in the house, I was doing a quick check of my mail, and I got stopped and drawn up short by your gallery of Warsaw shots. That was not long after you posted, so I can't recall my favorites, but I can assure you I've held onto that link to go back and look again. Keep Shooting! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I was in Warsaw at the end of June and took lots of pictures. So even > though this is a fairly large gallery, with 95 images, it has taken me > several days to get it to this point. I try to show the ways in which > Warsaw today is a normal European city, but one that carries many > scars from the recent and more distant past: > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/warsaw062009 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 15:39:39 2009 Received: (qmail 2646 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 13:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 13:39:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE22E18228 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0128E240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C95819E93D for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:39:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650A819E935 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:39:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KMI00IVTOLNMU40@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:39:23 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-9-136.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.9.136]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:39:22 -0300 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:39:22 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <3A948C5E4DEB44B49A7203FAF20F9EC7@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoILANSPVUoYigmI/2dsb2JhbACBS4kzxisJg38FgTqCKQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,373,1243825200"; d="scan'208";a="21028498" X-EsetScannerBuild: 5221 References: <380-2200974911234882@earthlink.net> <4A55E808.7080503@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Adorama repalcement battery for blm-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 15:39:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55f31b197272439112457 There was no place of manufacture / assembly shown on the product label. Why shoot with a top of the line camera then use a no-name and not-known-where-made battery? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Adorama repalcement battery for blm-1 >I don't think there's any serious question about whether it will work. > That's the easy part of making these things. The real question is > whether it's safe. The only way to tell is to open it up to see if it > contains the protective circuits it's supposed to have and then test > them to see that they actually work if they're there. That will destroy > the battery or, you can just count on the reputation of the seller. > You're probably OK with Adorama or B&H on these things but I wouldn't > buy any from ebay. > > Chuck Norcutt > > jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: >> Has anyone got one of these. Do they work correctly? >> http://www.adorama.com/IBYBLM1.html >> >> >> jgettis81@earthlink.net >> EarthLink Revolves Around You. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4227 (20090709) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4227 (20090709) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 15:46:07 2009 Received: (qmail 14710 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 13:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 13:46:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78A5E182C7 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3735AE240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2821319E9BC for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:46:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D03C19E963 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:46:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so162467bwz.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:45:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.212 with SMTP id n20mr746019bkq.138.1247147157866; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:45:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A55CAA1.3040103@chucknorcutt.com> References: <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A5420C7.9010603@gmail.com> <4A54ED73.6010508@chucknorcutt.com> <4A551797.8080202@gmail.com> <4A552EAD.80702@chucknorcutt.com> <4A555DC0.5030009@chucknorcutt.com> <4A55CAA1.3040103@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:45:57 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 65e188ef9b20d81d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 15:46:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55f49f263681413256596 > > Ah, "HSV noise" is a GIMP term. Not a PhotoShop term. > Sorry, I forgot that Photoshop has a dumbed-down noise-addition function. Anyway, to do this in Photoshop, open a new layer for the noise. Add the noise, then do a slight gaussian blur to smooth the pattern out enough to somewhat match the image layer. Then use the clone function to clone color (or hue) only, from the surrounding skin into the repaired section. By using masks you can keep the noise additon to just the highlight areas or if your editor supports it, on your adjustment layer, just paint the noise where you want it. Or use the erase tool to remove the noise from everywhere else in the image. Or just keep the noise there as the value is so minor that it will only add texture to the image that seems to be missing from our digital images today. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 15:59:52 2009 Received: (qmail 4461 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 13:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 13:59:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63424E1822C for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52982E240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4B634AC07A for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:59:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30A534AC077 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:59:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so173313fxm.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:59:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.134 with SMTP id v6mr772103bkq.2.1247147983678; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:59:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <380-2200974911234882@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200974911234882@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:59:43 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 23fc4eaaafea2ecf Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Adorama repalcement battery for blm-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 15:59:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55f7d8227352439112457 I have two aftermarket BLM-1 batteries and the Olympus one. I got mine through Best Buy or Circuit City--one of the other. Anyway, mine have been fine, but brand new they were maybe 80% of the run life of the Olympus one, now no better than 65-70%. They also have a faster self-discharge rate. Although I've been pleased with the price/performance, they're starting to get to the point where I'd probably been better off with the Olympus version. I do keep them in even rotation, always cycling them one after the other. Of course, that's in the periods of time when the battery-grip isn't on the camera--now THAT's a battery. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 16:02:23 2009 Received: (qmail 30675 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 14:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 14:02:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B7CE1822C for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8D6E240DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EAA34AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:02:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE4C34AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:02:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so174911fxm.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:02:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.129 with SMTP id z1mr769446bkq.67.1247148134672; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:02:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A55DE8B.5010807@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A567C58.6737.1DB92A4@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A55DE8B.5010807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:02:14 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1f1d4cc20bad0125 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 16:02:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55f86f233571234514069 Looks like a good deal as it includes the extension tube. It's an awesome hunk of glass. "Value" is different than "Price". Price is normal, but I believe the "value" of the lens will be much higher for you. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 16:09:01 2009 Received: (qmail 32109 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 14:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 14:09:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D72E182CC for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C1FE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C181334AC07B for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:08:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1048534AC070 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:08:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so179272fxm.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:08:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.12 with SMTP id t12mr755634bkq.158.1247148534550; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:08:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A567C59.18718.1DB942B@bj.caverock.net.nz> References: <4A567C59.18718.1DB942B@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:08:54 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9c85ef0225f7c5a4 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 16:09:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55f9fd184121076813867 > > Which autofocus switch are you referring to?? The AEL button just above > the thumb? > No, the AF mode switch on the lower-left-front-corner of the body. It's the three-way, semi-recessed lever. Reviewers have panned it hard and Olympus dutifully took it away as a result. A shame, really, because it's the only AF mode-selector I've come across that is so easily operated with gloves on by feel only. It takes getting used to so you don't inadvertently change it, but once you figure out how to recognize when the AF isn't doing what you expect it to, you can quickly glance at it to discover that you must have bumped it. I've also gotten really used to the front adjustment wheel being up there, instead of being recessed, like all other ones. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 16:09:45 2009 Received: (qmail 16920 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 14:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 14:09:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB21E182F0 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2BBE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6AC19EA5F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:09:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F91319EA6C for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:09:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 24 days 18:33:27 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-15-229.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.15.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n69E8gUa030474; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:08:43 -0300 Message-ID: <4A55F9F3.20904@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:08:51 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion , "Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas" , Ken Norton , "C.H.Ling" References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4,5 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 16:09:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a55fa29254812013633067 I'll try to figure out, and still not awake enough. C.H. points out something I had learned from him before I had the chance to buy any film scanner. So, I had been warned on this 'coolscan issue', I remember him telling what has just told, before buying it _used_(*). Nonetheless, I can hardly see some on my 17" CRT monitor, in a 1280 .jpg. I do see a lighter 'halo' in the full 112 MB .tiff, at 100%. And I'm not talking about a sharpening artifact - 'though it may be so since I had set sharpening in Nikon Scan 4, at Intensity: 30%, Halo: 15%, Threshold: 1% (yes, 1% - not pixels ... ). In my monitor, in any 16bit .tiff at 100% or over, I don't see sharpening artifacts as I was taught they look like, using these parameters' figures. Then, I sharpened in CS3 using only Intellisharpen II at 0% halo (66%, 33% fine detail), but applied a little sharpen when resizing to 1280, using SI II, as Moose advised more than once. If that 'issue' of the Coolscan is to be found, should be on the right border of the trunk, where lighter color stops and shadow begins, IMHO. Perhaps, if I had a high quality LCD, I might be able to see this 'contrast issue' of the 4000ED in a small 1280 .jpg. So far I can only say it is noticeable for me at 100%. You can find a similar situation in this one, done using the same scanner, but not done by me: - At the time, I asked C.H. on this one and remember him telling some other causes for what you see around the building shinning in the night, at the middle of the small .jpg. I think Ken is talking about something different, and in coincidence of what Carlos told me off list: Carlos called it 'flare', and Ken 'hazy look'. When I looked at it in comparison to my previous scans, I noticed the same. Ken was very effective and subtle I think: as said above (*), I always feared there was something wrong with this scanner, so much that I did clean its mirror, driven by frustration. With a clean mirror, only way to go was to learn better how to touch curves and levels, and this took me some months ... . I thought I had got it, but denied so while doing the first img. because I was disgusted by a red shift in the slightly outdated Velvia. When I saw the settings I had used, and looked at the slide (first time after doing the scan and uploading !!), I started again from scratch, matching the transilluminated frame as closely as I could using levels, curves and lightness. Did almost nothing in CS3 (very minor levels adjustment), set Intellisharpen to the same values and uploaded in aRGB (**). Think I have corrected what Ken and Carlos pointed out, otherwise I should spend in a better monitor. (**)It seems that I could change from aRGB to sRGB using ISII, but hadn't found how to do so yet. Since the 'hazy look' has always bothered me, and cleaning the mirror takes some time and risk, I started a second scan after midnight - much more simple regarding color balance and correcting the red shift. I'll post the link asap. So, I went to sleep at 4 a.m. again :-( Everything will have a hazy look today :-) But I feel awake, after writing the above. Need only a cup of coffee. A big one !. Thanks for looking, Chuck. -- I did found a tiny bit of purple chroma where expected to be, but I won't tell .... Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I'm afraid I don't see any "haze" and have no idea what y'all are > carryin' on about. > > Chuck Norcutt > > C.H.Ling wrote: > >> Yes, hazy is still there, 4000ED is famous for flare, I believe the problem >> is due to the poor lens system. I had lots of hard time in scanning high >> contrast slides. I remember a worse case was a lady wearing black fur >> standing beside a white car under the sun, film was Kodakchrome 64. The >> slide itself looked very nice and clean but the scan had lots of white >> diffused to the black fur, it took me lots of time to touch up the scan with >> PS. I sent the scanner to N*kon for through cleaning, they did charged me >> for that but there was zero improvement. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" >> >> >>> It's here: >>> >>> >>> >>> link to 1280, link to view on black. >>> >>> Still hazy !? >>> Disassembling and cleaning the mirror is not that terrible. Problem is >>> to assemble the mirror back into place. >>> I think that when I did so on May 2008, it fitted somehow twisted, and >>> the crop never draws exactly on the border of the plastic slide's frame >>> :-( >>> >>> Fernando. >>> >>> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >>> >>>> I may begin by ruling out an error made by a newbie. >>>> Specially when the wannabe photographer starts doing a scan too late at >>>> night and finishes it at 4 am ;-) >>>> >>>> Adjusted levels, curves and lightness, and right now the slide has been >>>> fed into the 4000ED. >>>> >>>> Yes, I saw what you had seen: I adjusted those parameters wrong, for a >>>> start. Certainly things worsened when doing highlights/shadows. >>>> >>>> I was not too happy with a red shift of the Velvia, this issue biased my >>>> judgement. >>>> >>>> Scanning has finished, shall upload soon. >>>> >>>> Thank you ! >>>> >>>> Fernando. >>>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 16:38:18 2009 Received: (qmail 12912 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 14:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 14:38:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B86E182B8 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DD1E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51BB19EB6A for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:38:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F54A19EB67 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:38:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so195538bwz.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:38:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.64.196 with SMTP id f4mr758878bki.151.1247150290117; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:38:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:38:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fbd9b1860cb13645 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4,5 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 16:38:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5600da142641744846740 > > I'm afraid I don't see any "haze" and have no idea what y'all are > carryin' on about. > That's OK, Chuck. It's like MPEG audio compression--it's better that you not know what to look/listen for. :) If you really want to know, keep reading. The Nikon 4x and 5x series scanners have a mirror. The sensor is 90 degrees off from the orientation of the film. Unfortunately, this mirror is situated an inch or two below the film. As it is below, dust will enter the film gate and settle downward onto the mirror. The quad-color LED lightsource is above the film and the image is projected downward onto the mirror and through a high-quality lens onto the linear-sensor. If the mirror is dirty, the image is slightly diffused--not at all unlike shooting a picture through a dirty filter. Periodically I'll blast some air into the scanner to move the dust-puppies around and last week when I checked the mirror, it was still clear enough that I haven't felt the need to pop it open yet. Besides, as I have been scanning mostly negs these days, the high-contrast of a Velvia slide isn't present so I don't get the diffusion AND the diffusion goes the other way--dark bleeds into light areas. Once in a while I'll get a streak on the images when a dust particle settles on the sensor, but can usually dislodge it with either a blast of air or by turning the scanner face down and rapping on the case--followed by more air blasts, etc. To put all this in perspective, this haze issue is about the only real issue with the Nikons. Other than the light-source which is more columnated (accentuating grain), the Nikons are built like tanks and have no bad habits. I can recommend them without hesitation. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 16:40:43 2009 Received: (qmail 10305 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 14:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 14:40:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B767CE182E0 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96633E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7410434AC070 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:40:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78B034AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:40:34 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 24 days 19:04:52 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-15-229.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.15.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n69EeU06000608 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:40:30 -0300 Message-ID: <4A560167.2000803@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:40:39 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy><92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 16:40:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56016b41391612113968 Two amazing things; This 'cheapo' ViewSonic CRT G75=83+, resolves all of the black squares, = and all of the white squares, and is dead-on in gamma values ... too = accurate !!. Second: yesterday I bought a Spyder2 Pro at BH :-( Yes there is flare where you locate it, but cannot see it in the small .jpg It's very clear on the 100% .tiff, in my monitor. Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > There are some flare along the edges of the tree (right side). You need a = > monitor that can see the dark values (my monitor cannot resolve all, only = > marginally resolved to 3): > > http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php > > BTW, I found removing the external calibration (Spyder 2 pro) my monitor = > gamma values on different colors are more accurate: > > http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php > > Together with the ability to resolve most of the white values then your = > monitor should be very good (my monitor can resolve to 253 only). > > http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/white.php > > C.H.Ling > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 16:45:58 2009 Received: (qmail 28939 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 14:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 14:45:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6B3E182AE for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60484E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E6C34AC030 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:45:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4ED34AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:45:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 24 days 19:10:10 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-15-229.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.15.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n69EjlT4000966 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:45:48 -0300 Message-ID: <4A5602A5.2090701@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:45:57 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?=5BIMG=5D_-_second_one_with_the_300mm_=83/4?= =?windows-1252?q?=2C5?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 16:45:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5602a6177096107113666 Tripod mounted Zuiko 300mm =83/4,5 @ =83/11, Olympus OM 4 on Spot reading mode (reading the Moon only), Winder 2, Eyecup 1. Velvia 50 - aRGB --link to 1280, link to view on black. As always, I'll listen carefully to anything you may wish to say. Fernando. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 16:54:46 2009 Received: (qmail 21046 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 14:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 14:54:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DF6E182FB for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2840E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C502B34AC030 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:54:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA90634AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:54:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n69EsbJf029958 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:54:37 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <56D8D26A312241F38521C3E7AF0FFD47@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy><821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN><4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy><4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy><4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy><92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN><4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:54:35 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4,5 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 16:54:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5604b6155241136683642 You are probably right about the "real issue" and this is very serious to my eyes. For most of the scanned slide iamges I have to use a high Radius (20-30 pixels) and a low Amont (~10%) USM to increase the contrast and reduce the haze effect. Actually the problem is not limited to slide, with negatives I sometimes see darken bright sky near the frame to frame edge. The Nikon is very reliable, my 4000ED have more than 20K passes and still work like new but I wouldn't say it built like tanks. On the other hand it just feel like toy when you hear the scanning and focusing noise. The LS-10 I purchased in 1993 was much more smooth and quite. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > > To put all this in perspective, this haze issue is about the only real > issue > with the Nikons. Other than the light-source which is more columnated > (accentuating grain), the Nikons are built like tanks and have no bad > habits. I can recommend them without hesitation. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 17:01:38 2009 Received: (qmail 17446 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 15:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 15:01:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85E9E181A6 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15344E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D50634AC030 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:01:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1897134AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:01:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n69F1SrU001842 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:01:28 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <633AF6ADF45F419C90EFFC0DDE68E1D1@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy><92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A560167.2000803@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:01:10 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 17:01:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a560652174172013633067 Wow, it is good to hear your monitor can resolve all squares. But no, I can see the flare very clearly with your small JPEG file. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/3703345338_ffd58f27c5_a.jpg C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" Two amazing things; This 'cheapo' ViewSonic CRT G75=83+, resolves all of the black squares, and all of the white squares, and is dead-on in gamma values ... too accurate !!. Second: yesterday I bought a Spyder2 Pro at BH :-( Yes there is flare where you locate it, but cannot see it in the small .jpg It's very clear on the 100% .tiff, in my monitor. Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > There are some flare along the edges of the tree (right side). You need a > monitor that can see the dark values (my monitor cannot resolve all, only > marginally resolved to 3): > > http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php > > BTW, I found removing the external calibration (Spyder 2 pro) my monitor > gamma values on different colors are more accurate: > > http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php > > Together with the ability to resolve most of the white values then your > monitor should be very good (my monitor can resolve to 253 only). > > http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/white.php > > C.H.Ling > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 17:14:13 2009 Received: (qmail 16470 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 15:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 15:14:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FABEE182E1 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05BDE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C85F19EC88 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:14:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0528719EC5F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:14:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so221824fxm.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:14:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.129 with SMTP id z1mr830943bkq.67.1247152442227; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:14:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00582DAA-1F9F-4F61-AD2E-132ADD62555C@roadrunner.com> References: <190814.94113.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A542800.6000103@gmail.com> <002201c9ffb3$6a63e410$3f2bac30$@com.au> <00582DAA-1F9F-4F61-AD2E-132ADD62555C@roadrunner.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:14:00 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 345a5bd748695a3a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Acadia NP and other stuff X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 17:14:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a560945126985368819438 On the subject of wines, I can highly recommend: http://bothamvineyards.com Good wineries are a dime-a-dozen, but some are definitely better than others without costing an arm and a leg. Probably about 15-20% of the grapes used in Peter's wines are from his own vines, the rest come in from elsewhere. This keeps the variability much lower and stops that "syrup one year, cool-aide the next." These are artisan wines which are very drinkable and have no bad habits--a wine that is exactly what you expect with that extra "hmm-I Like!" The guy is insanely detailed and beyond anal-retentive when it comes to cleanliness. He is a geek when it comes to auto-racing and wines. He actually gives a rip about how it tastes. Average bottle cost is around $9 which is higher than WIAB (Wine in a Box), but tends to be lower in alcohol content, the drys are dry but not squeaky. If you like fruity, he has fruity wines, if you don't he has non-fruity. These are award-winning wines. Full disclosure: Peter is an acquaintance of my family. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 17:19:23 2009 Received: (qmail 15278 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 15:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 15:19:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90F2E182C8 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4103AE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3479F19DF08 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:19:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5788019ECC0 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:19:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so222399bwz.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:19:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.124.7 with SMTP id s7mr807556bkr.189.1247152755392; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:19:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <56D8D26A312241F38521C3E7AF0FFD47@MAIN> References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <56D8D26A312241F38521C3E7AF0FFD47@MAIN> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:19:15 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 65afd6b5e7d216e9 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4,5 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 17:19:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a560a7b85705368819438 > > The Nikon is very reliable, my 4000ED have more than 20K passes and still > work like new but I wouldn't say it built like tanks. On the other hand it > just feel like toy when you hear the scanning and focusing noise. The LS-10 > I purchased in 1993 was much more smooth and quite. > LOL. Yes, you are right. The 4(000) and 5(000) series scanners sound like they are constantly in the state of self-destruction. The roll-film adapter is a fascinating piece of engineering. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 17:58:08 2009 Received: (qmail 2831 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 15:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 15:58:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A519DE182ED for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0166E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25A019EDD8 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:58:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A1F19ED77 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:58:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so121188anc.35 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:58:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.248.10 with SMTP id v10mr1304124anh.88.1247155081287; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:58:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A567C59.18718.1DB942B@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:58:01 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907090858j74d07a5bi31cf82ba08da1083@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 17:58:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56139073211342116753 On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Which autofocus switch are you referring to?? =A0The AEL button just abo= ve >> the thumb? >> > > No, the AF mode switch on the lower-left-front-corner of the body. It's t= he > three-way, semi-recessed lever. > > Reviewers have panned it hard and Olympus dutifully took it away as a > result. A shame, really, because it's the only AF mode-selector I've come > across that is so easily operated with gloves on by feel only. =A0It takes > getting used to so you don't inadvertently change it, but once you figure > out how to recognize when the AF isn't doing what you expect it to, you c= an > quickly glance at it to discover that you must have bumped it. Definitely one control I really, truly miss on the 330 and E-3. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 18:43:26 2009 Received: (qmail 6112 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 16:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 16:43:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A39E1822D for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC94E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD31D34AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:43:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABAD34AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:43:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so135392anc.35 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:43:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.71.11 with SMTP id y11mr1353161ank.126.1247157799269; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:43:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:43:19 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907090943o16276393wc9807c440ff49bf@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 18:43:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a561e2e59109730998309 On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > The blown-highlight shots are still OK. =A0Don't be so hard on yourself. > Hair-impaired scalps in bright sunlight are Listen, Ace, you're the one with the "hair-impaired scalp". The guys in the photo are enjoying perfect freedom. ;^P Joel ('nearly free") W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 19:14:52 2009 Received: (qmail 4124 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 17:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 17:14:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF11FE182EE for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4C2E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF5619F0D9 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:14:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B2019F07D for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:14:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so144887anc.35 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:14:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.241.17 with SMTP id o17mr1382226anh.134.1247159686600; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:14:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:14:46 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907091014w3d294adek3b884f1eebc29c26@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 19:14:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56258c229201006886880 2009/7/7 David Irisarri : > Hi all, > > Recently I asked for some good rechargeable batts for using them in my > new Olympus flash FL-50R. This last weekend (4th July) I went to the > wedding and I would like to share some pictures with you and comment > some doubts I have about exposure, clipped highlights, shadows, etc... > > Firstly I used the camera outside the church with daylight synchro > flash (superFP) > I always used my E-1 in A mode and I adjusted flash to superFP. David, I think the photos actually look really good. If you don't feel that some blown highlights are acceptable in small amounts, I can understand your disappointment though. I think there is now an extra-photographic outcropping of the digital era that is affecting aesthetic judgments, namely, a standard that now dictates that any blown highlight is a blemish. The question probably ought first to be Is the capture over-exposed? I realize that that is not a simple question in the digital era with RAW development and so forth. But in reality, the world is full of "blown highlights." The fact that we can do something about many of them in digital photography may not mean the resulting photograph is improved as a result, even if it makes us excited about our post-processing skills. When I wish to convert a digital capture to B&W, I often have to increase contrast and blow out some highlights before converting to monochrome or the resulting images look dull and lifeless in monochrome. I think that's kind of interesting. In the Zone system, zone 9 is partially blown and zone 10 fully blown highlights. It appears we are moving to a standard in digital photography where these zones are no longer supposed to exist. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 19:15:46 2009 Received: (qmail 12331 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 17:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 17:15:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C849E182E6 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF737E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B8719F0D4 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:15:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7DC19F0DF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:15:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 24 days 21:39:33 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-64-61.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.64.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n69HEp1f011862; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:14:52 -0300 Message-ID: <4A562594.3060505@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:15:00 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy><92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A560167.2000803@adinet.com.uy> <633AF6ADF45F419C90EFFC0DDE68E1D1@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <633AF6ADF45F419C90EFFC0DDE68E1D1@MAIN> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Cc: "C.H.Ling" Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 19:15:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5625c23981220213263 Nonono ... either I was a little asleep. or too optimistic, or both. It's Ok in the shadows boxes, but blows off at the last bright square. = Next-to-last square is barely distinguishable. Gamma is set at 2.2, and Adobe Gamma checks it as Ok, But I have a 'profiled' Adobe RGB 1998 loaded, instead of sRGB. Then, I suppose this could be the reason why at 48% red and green gamma = lean towards 2.35 - blue is more difficult to asset since it blends = through a wider range of values. So does gray. I find it hard to believe that you trust more this web link that the = hardware calibration tool. Is it so, absolutely? I've just bought one ! :-/ Last: yes, I do see what you saw in the small .jpg Always, until now, considered such a small 'leaking' a result of a poor = monitor (it's quite new, nonetheless). So, do you set your USM at NikonScan with large radius and small amount? I did exactly the other way round: radius 10% ~15%, intensity 30%, = threshold as default or 0~1%. Are those your usual settings, or only when high contrast is present? What now bothers me most in how difficult it is for the scanner to pick = up details from the shadows. This sometimes makes me to bend upwards the lowest values in the RGB = curve only, which is very tiresome and time consuming and error prone. Thanks a lot for your advice. Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > Wow, it is good to hear your monitor can resolve all squares. > > But no, I can see the flare very clearly with your small JPEG file. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/3703345338_ffd58f27c5_a.jpg > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > > Two amazing things; > > This 'cheapo' ViewSonic CRT G75=83+, resolves all of the black squares, > and all of the white squares, and is dead-on in gamma values ... too > accurate !!. > > Second: yesterday I bought a Spyder2 Pro at BH :-( > > Yes there is flare where you locate it, but cannot see it in the small .j= pg > It's very clear on the 100% .tiff, in my monitor. > > Fernando. > > C.H.Ling wrote: > = >> There are some flare along the edges of the tree (right side). You need a >> monitor that can see the dark values (my monitor cannot resolve all, only >> marginally resolved to 3): >> >> http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php >> >> BTW, I found removing the external calibration (Spyder 2 pro) my monitor >> gamma values on different colors are more accurate: >> >> http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php >> >> Together with the ability to resolve most of the white values then your >> monitor should be very good (my monitor can resolve to 253 only). >> >> http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/white.php >> >> C.H.Ling >> = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 19:19:51 2009 Received: (qmail 21060 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 17:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 17:19:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B671E182B9 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF5BE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D9219F13C for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:19:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A4F19F10B for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:19:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 43849 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jul 2009 17:19:44 -0000 Message-ID: <108849.41745.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9jIQcJ8VM1mn1Unmnb.txj9x9JM8knbJxSrXAHgL3R4KCqW62JXT2R2zFcWWLn_IqdO2aa5xejT6kxLoMkXpUaF_SEGcXI5I5XtLtcl_Nf.Ge87R4mweLhkEX9rE.JYWd9wFZ08eP21IrIGc3wnSNV2W2nUlvY9HMQWejR.mOuUWIasoTwh_H_7iEKBufflwQ9A266oJD97CjEtB8rwM.qxhuBXpynxOztH1ObCb_PrZL2Utp79bcRhaHdZd6GxQ_MOvrx1uy80XeH9cLWo6NJd.BVeFSPNVZqOsVXtD0p.T5CEJv1G5TU4MKLCKAhVsmAqd_E6Lo1afBx.0lSCLnkSkZIKLDdEiV_PZNn5pdA-- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:19:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:19:43 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Adorama repalcement battery for blm-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 19:19:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5626b7160921234514069 I would have no hesitation recommending Adorama branded products. I purchas= ed a Flashpoint grip and it is excellent. For batteries also check out Duracell directly (via the website) and Energi= zer brand. > From: jgettis81@earthlink.net > Subject: [OM] Adorama repalcement battery for blm-1 > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 7:23 AM > Has anyone got one of these.=A0 Do > they work correctly?=A0 http://www.adorama.com/IBYBLM1.html > = > = > jgettis81@earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = > = = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 19:50:26 2009 Received: (qmail 6220 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 17:50:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 17:50:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A786FE1831D for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D9BE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A63334AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:50:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A75134AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:50:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6393 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jul 2009 17:50:10 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jul 2009 17:50:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4A562DD1.2020107@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:50:09 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <380-2200974911234882@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090708-0, 07/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Adorama repalcement battery for blm-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 19:50:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a562de2151341234514069 You missed the point of my response. The concern is not normal function but safety (under non-normal circumstances such as a short circuit). There's no way you can tell what will happen. Even Sony makes them wrong from time to time which results in burned up Apple computers and other stuff. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > I have two aftermarket BLM-1 batteries and the Olympus one. I got mine > through Best Buy or Circuit City--one of the other. Anyway, mine have been > fine, but brand new they were maybe 80% of the run life of the Olympus one, > now no better than 65-70%. They also have a faster self-discharge rate. > > Although I've been pleased with the price/performance, they're starting to > get to the point where I'd probably been better off with the Olympus > version. I do keep them in even rotation, always cycling them one after the > other. Of course, that's in the periods of time when the battery-grip isn't > on the camera--now THAT's a battery. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 20:06:44 2009 Received: (qmail 9638 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 18:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 18:06:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B486AE182F0 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E802CE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D704B34AC030 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:06:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D195534AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:06:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so319312bwz.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:06:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.113.198 with SMTP id b6mr965177bkq.108.1247162795599; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:06:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907090943o16276393wc9807c440ff49bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A52E127.7090200@gmail.com> <4A5315CA.7060809@blueyonder.co.uk> <20090707131113.oxw1d5slgkssw08s@webmail.jazznet.es> <9e908c1f0907090943o16276393wc9807c440ff49bf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:06:35 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 70e4c65e87da34fc Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 20:06:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5631b4256847801554290 > > Listen, Ace, you're the one with the "hair-impaired scalp". The guys > in the photo are enjoying perfect freedom. ;^P > LOL, when trying to photograph on a windy day, I tend to agree with you. It's bad when your pony-tail blows in front of the lens. I've been growing mine out for the expressed purpose of hair-donation. It's actually more than long enough now, but I rather enjoy irking the conservatives. I'm a good ways towards a double-contribution. It's probably a mid-life crisis kinda of thing, but I'm embracing it before the hairline recedes too much. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 20:16:55 2009 Received: (qmail 10817 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 18:16:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 18:16:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6BFE182DC for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F404AE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A3D19F2E3 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:16:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBABD19F2DC for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:16:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so346648fxm.7 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:16:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.134 with SMTP id v6mr987984bkq.2.1247163408356; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:16:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A562594.3060505@adinet.com.uy> References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A560167.2000803@adinet.com.uy> <633AF6ADF45F419C90EFFC0DDE68E1D1@MAIN> <4A562594.3060505@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:16:48 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5490c76b958c2de2 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 20:16:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a563417264431612113968 > > What now bothers me most in how difficult it is for the scanner to pick > up details from the shadows. > With a high-contrast slide (such as Velvia), I'm usually using Vuescan and I do the dual-exposure thing. However, once in a while I have a problem slide and will use NikonScan, but use the highlight/shadow recovery function which will add an additional pass with adjusted brightness. Only real problem I have with the NikonScan solution is time. You could read "War and Peace" while waiting for it to finish. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 21:18:19 2009 Received: (qmail 30365 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 19:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 19:18:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D09E182EE for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76EAE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF55434AC077 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:18:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 3.654 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.654 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C9534AC078 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:18:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 24 days 23:42:27 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-11-50.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.11.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n69JHu8Z021211; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:17:57 -0300 Message-ID: <4A56426D.6080602@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:18:05 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A560167.2000803@adinet.com.uy> <633AF6ADF45F419C90EFFC0DDE68E1D1@MAIN> <4A562594.3060505@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Cc: Ken Norton Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 21:18:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56427b188296107113666 Ken Norton wrote: > With a high-contrast slide (such as Velvia), I'm usually using Vuescan and I > do the dual-exposure thing. I still must learn how to do such a trick, I remember Walt Wayman talking and doing things using that technique but at that moment I didn't understood. Besides, the list was too noisy, and crowded - it was difficult for me both to listen and to understand. > However, once in a while I have a problem slide > and will use NikonScan, but use the highlight/shadow recovery function which > will add an additional pass with adjusted brightness. Well, this is completely new for me, and it was in front of my eyes since three years ago !. However, I cannot activate that function. "Enable Digital DEE > Shadow Adjustment [slider at 50%] > More button" - remain unlit, and cannot find a path through Preferences or whichever to have those buttons and checkboxes lit. Could you tell me how? My NikonScan 4.0.2 is supposed to have full functionality. I'm completely puzzled !. > Only real problem I > have with the NikonScan solution is time. You could read "War and Peace" > while waiting for it to finish. > > AG > Yes, you're not alone on this. Heard this complaint several times. It's not a big issue for me, fortunately. What it takes and bothers me, is the huge amount of computer power it draws (from this computer, that is: Athlon64, 1GB RAM, XP SP3). I cannot even type an email when the Coolscan is running. Yes, it's a little break to make a phone call, eat something, whatever: I prefer listening to some good uncompressed jazz. :-) Fernando -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 21:19:25 2009 Received: (qmail 16121 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 19:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 19:19:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1291E182DC for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DCFE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8614119F4BE for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:19:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2544D19F4BA for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:19:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so183233anc.35 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:19:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.231.15 with SMTP id d15mr1580780anh.77.1247167155849; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:19:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <38B25B5B-2F7B-48F6-8F8C-0D239D41581F@roadrunner.com> <4A519327.40702@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:19:14 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907091219i3755932cuc1d37596044acd81@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 21:19:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5642bd184021357919056 On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > Our Fourth of July parades tend to reflect the, uh, local industry? =A0It= 's > not unusual to have a few dozen........ok, make that a couple hundred > restored classic tractors in the parade. =A0Snoooze. =A0It's funny becaus= e my > father-in-law got quite animated a couple years ago when half the tractors > in the parade were NEWER than the ones he was still using on the farm! > Fortunately, as I had to ride in the Grinnell parade, this year, I was > pleased to note the surprising lack of John Deere tractors. Grinnell is a= lso > a trucking town, so there were a bunch of big rigs, though. =A0Our parade > route was about two-miles long, and we tossed somewhere around 100 pounds= of > candy. I'll bet it was fun to scramble for all those archival samples thrown from the Wilhelm float. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 22:11:37 2009 Received: (qmail 31586 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 20:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 20:11:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C135CE182F1 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46152E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372A934AC030 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:11:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8803434AC077 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:11:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so389686fxm.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:11:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.57.73 with SMTP id b9mr1072604bkh.45.1247170288222; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:11:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A56426D.6080602@adinet.com.uy> References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A560167.2000803@adinet.com.uy> <633AF6ADF45F419C90EFFC0DDE68E1D1@MAIN> <4A562594.3060505@adinet.com.uy> <4A56426D.6080602@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:11:28 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 56ed056ea7004b8c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 22:11:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a564ef942341879814018 > > I still must learn how to do such a trick, I remember Walt Wayman > talking and doing things using that technique but at that moment I > didn't understood. Besides, the list was too noisy, and crowded - it was > difficult for me both to listen and to understand. It's just a matter of clicking on the check box in the first tab. The list was rather noisy in those days, but this list has always had a high noise to signal ratio. Think of it as an LP, as it has lots of clicks and pops, but the music still shines through. However, I cannot activate that function. "Enable Digital DEE > Shadow > Adjustment [slider at 50%] > More button" - remain unlit, and cannot > find a path through Preferences or whichever to have those buttons and > checkboxes lit. > Could you tell me how? > My NikonScan 4.0.2 is supposed to have full functionality. > But does the 4000 support ICE4? it may be only ICE3. What it takes and bothers me, is the huge amount of computer power it > draws (from this computer, that is: Athlon64, 1GB RAM, XP SP3). > I cannot even type an email when the Coolscan is running. Yes, it's a > little break to make a phone call, eat something, whatever: I prefer > listening to some good uncompressed jazz. > Very interesting. Mine doesn't bog the computer down, but I can tell that the data transfer through the USB port is rather intense. One thing I learned the hard way, is to NEVER minimize NikonScan while it is working. Oh, and another thought--where is NikonScan's temp directory located? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 22:18:33 2009 Received: (qmail 30267 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 20:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 20:18:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE61E182D1 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC5FE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A640719F79A for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:18:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDED419F79B for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:18:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so386223bwz.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:18:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.12 with SMTP id t12mr1072980bkq.158.1247170702236; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:18:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907091219i3755932cuc1d37596044acd81@mail.gmail.com> References: <38B25B5B-2F7B-48F6-8F8C-0D239D41581F@roadrunner.com> <4A519327.40702@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0907091219i3755932cuc1d37596044acd81@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:18:22 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a616f5a19119d2d4 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 22:18:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a565099210901357919056 > > I'll bet it was fun to scramble for all those archival samples thrown > from the Wilhelm float. > LOL. I think some of the candy was rather "archival" as you could break teeth on it. I asked at the library about the yearbook. They've got a copy in their reference section. One of these days I'll have to look at it to figure out why the college banned it for all those years. I don't know much much time Henry is in town anymore. I've yet to run into him, but he definitely is a celebrity here. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 22:38:45 2009 Received: (qmail 2134 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 20:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 20:38:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EE0E182CB for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66D2E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FDF19F7E1 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:38:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 3.654 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.654 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1425019F7DD for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:38:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 25 days 01:02:55 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-11-50.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.11.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n69KcQYd026529 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:38:27 -0300 Message-ID: <4A56554B.1000003@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:38:35 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A560167.2000803@adinet.com.uy> <633AF6ADF45F419C90EFFC0DDE68E1D1@MAIN> <4A562594.3060505@adinet.com.uy> <4A56426D.6080602@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 22:38:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a565555243109730998309 Ken Norton wrote: > It's just a matter of clicking on the check box in the first tab. > = LOL - which one is the first tab? :-) > The list was rather noisy in those days, but this list has always had a h= igh > noise to signal ratio. Think of it as an LP, as it has lots of clicks and > pops, but the music still shines through. > = That's why it survives, that's why I like it. Noise come become signal, = and viceversa. > > But does the 4000 support ICE4? it may be only ICE3. > = That's it, I've been googling for an answer to calm down. Digital DEE = appears to be associated to the 5000/9000/V series, not the 4000. Now I can find another good reason for its former owner to have upgraded = to the 5000, giving me the rare chance to have a film scanner in this = small country. > One thing I > learned the hard way, is to NEVER minimize NikonScan while it is working. > = Never did, only by chance. Shall remember this one. > Oh, and another thought--where is NikonScan's temp directory located? > = By default, in this machine, the path is C:\Documents and = Settings\Fernando\Configuraci=F3n local\Temp\Nikon Didn't change its default location, if you did, it should show in the = Prefs dialogue window. > AG > = Fernando -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 22:43:33 2009 Received: (qmail 7244 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 20:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 20:43:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F67BE182EA for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B985FE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A912219F7DB for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:43:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E85919F7F1 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:43:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29417 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jul 2009 20:43:24 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jul 2009 20:43:24 -0000 Message-ID: <4A56566B.1050902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:43:23 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy><92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090709-0, 07/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 22:43:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56567528572013633067 I did see light streaks in the black area to the right of the tree. Is that what you're talking about. I assumed that was part of the scene. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > There are some flare along the edges of the tree (right side). You need a > monitor that can see the dark values (my monitor cannot resolve all, only > marginally resolved to 3): > > http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php > > BTW, I found removing the external calibration (Spyder 2 pro) my monitor > gamma values on different colors are more accurate: > > http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php > > Together with the ability to resolve most of the white values then your > monitor should be very good (my monitor can resolve to 253 only). > > http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/white.php > > C.H.Ling > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> I'm afraid I don't see any "haze" and have no idea what y'all are >> carryin' on about. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> Yes, hazy is still there, 4000ED is famous for flare, I believe the >>> problem >>> is due to the poor lens system. I had lots of hard time in scanning high >>> contrast slides. I remember a worse case was a lady wearing black fur >>> standing beside a white car under the sun, film was Kodakchrome 64. The >>> slide itself looked very nice and clean but the scan had lots of white >>> diffused to the black fur, it took me lots of time to touch up the scan >>> with >>> PS. I sent the scanner to N*kon for through cleaning, they did charged me >>> for that but there was zero improvement. >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" >>> >>>> It's here: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> link to 1280, link to view on black. >>>> >>>> Still hazy !? >>>> Disassembling and cleaning the mirror is not that terrible. Problem is >>>> to assemble the mirror back into place. >>>> I think that when I did so on May 2008, it fitted somehow twisted, and >>>> the crop never draws exactly on the border of the plastic slide's frame >>>> :-( >>>> >>>> Fernando. >>>> >>>> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >>>>> I may begin by ruling out an error made by a newbie. >>>>> Specially when the wannabe photographer starts doing a scan too late at >>>>> night and finishes it at 4 am ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Adjusted levels, curves and lightness, and right now the slide has been >>>>> fed into the 4000ED. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I saw what you had seen: I adjusted those parameters wrong, for a >>>>> start. Certainly things worsened when doing highlights/shadows. >>>>> >>>>> I was not too happy with a red shift of the Velvia, this issue biased >>>>> my >>>>> judgement. >>>>> >>>>> Scanning has finished, shall upload soon. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you ! >>>>> >>>>> Fernando. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 22:44:29 2009 Received: (qmail 26208 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 20:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 20:44:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A796E182B9 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619D6E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C26419F7F1 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:44:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCD719F7F3 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:44:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n69KiKbQ005022 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:44:20 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.bc3.4d998ac2 (37540) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB021-5baf4a56569537; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:44:14 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-DZ14 (webmail-dz14.sim.aol.com [205.188.185.28]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA016-5baf4a56569537; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:44:05 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:44:05 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43735-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by WEBMAIL-DZ14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.185.28) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:44:05 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBCEED227399E1-A84-22ED@WEBMAIL-DZ14.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] IMG: Four days in Warsaw X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 22:44:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5656ad111512439112457 Yes, Finally got to take the tour late very last night. I was compelled examine each one. Thanks for the commentary along the way as well . It is your fault I go to sleep even later. :-) Mike Truly good stuff, Nathan. We have company in the house, I was doing a quick check of my mail, and I got stopped and drawn up short by your gallery of Warsaw shots. That was not long after you posted, so I can't recall my favorites, but I can assure you I've held onto that link to go back and look again. Keep Shooting! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I was in Warsaw at the end of June and took lots of pictures. So even > though this is a fairly large gallery, with 95 images, it has taken me > several days to get it to this point. I try to show the ways in which > Warsaw today is a normal European city, but one that carries many > scars from the recent and more distant past: > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/warsaw062009 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 22:48:37 2009 Received: (qmail 5796 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 20:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 20:48:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2A5E182F9 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4525FE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137F719F80A for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:48:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFEE19F7D0 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:48:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1431 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jul 2009 20:48:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090709-0, 07/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4,5 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 22:48:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5657a5275785368819438 Thanks for the lesson but all I really wanted to know is exactly where is the haze. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> I'm afraid I don't see any "haze" and have no idea what y'all are >> carryin' on about. >> > > > That's OK, Chuck. It's like MPEG audio compression--it's better that you > not know what to look/listen for. > > :) > > If you really want to know, keep reading. > > The Nikon 4x and 5x series scanners have a mirror. The sensor is 90 degrees > off from the orientation of the film. Unfortunately, this mirror is situated > an inch or two below the film. As it is below, dust will enter the film gate > and settle downward onto the mirror. > > The quad-color LED lightsource is above the film and the image is projected > downward onto the mirror and through a high-quality lens onto the > linear-sensor. If the mirror is dirty, the image is slightly diffused--not > at all unlike shooting a picture through a dirty filter. > > Periodically I'll blast some air into the scanner to move the dust-puppies > around and last week when I checked the mirror, it was still clear enough > that I haven't felt the need to pop it open yet. Besides, as I have been > scanning mostly negs these days, the high-contrast of a Velvia slide isn't > present so I don't get the diffusion AND the diffusion goes the other > way--dark bleeds into light areas. > > Once in a while I'll get a streak on the images when a dust particle settles > on the sensor, but can usually dislodge it with either a blast of air or by > turning the scanner face down and rapping on the case--followed by more air > blasts, etc. > > To put all this in perspective, this haze issue is about the only real issue > with the Nikons. Other than the light-source which is more columnated > (accentuating grain), the Nikons are built like tanks and have no bad > habits. I can recommend them without hesitation. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 22:50:00 2009 Received: (qmail 4549 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 20:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 20:49:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97E6E182B8 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A34CE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBAC19F7FE for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:49:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EF719F7FB for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:49:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so401893bwz.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:49:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.113.198 with SMTP id b6mr1104824bkq.108.1247172589048; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:49:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A56554B.1000003@adinet.com.uy> References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A560167.2000803@adinet.com.uy> <633AF6ADF45F419C90EFFC0DDE68E1D1@MAIN> <4A562594.3060505@adinet.com.uy> <4A56426D.6080602@adinet.com.uy> <4A56554B.1000003@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:49:48 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0977bd3b6f802aa2 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 22:50:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5657f8221604877110844 > > Now I can find another good reason for its former owner to have upgraded > to the 5000, giving me the rare chance to have a film scanner in this > small country. > It may be a small country, (we have larger outhouses in Texas), but it is one of the nicer ones in our hemisphere. > By default, in this machine, the path is C:\Documents and > Settings\Fernando\Configuraci=F3n local\Temp\Nikon > Didn't change its default location, if you did, it should show in the > Prefs dialogue window. > I changed mine to the D: drive. On my computer it's the same physical drive, but by having my temporary swap files on their own partition I get far less file-fragmentation and the speed goes up. AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 23:00:06 2009 Received: (qmail 22434 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 21:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 21:00:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A97E18229 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A73E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1196834AC062 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:59:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A27634AC030 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:59:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10929 invoked by uid 504); 9 Jul 2009 20:59:57 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jul 2009 20:59:57 -0000 Message-ID: <4A565A4D.8040101@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:59:57 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5602A5.2090701@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4A5602A5.2090701@adinet.com.uy> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090709-0, 07/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?=5BIMG=5D_-_second_one_with_the_300mm_=83/4?= =?windows-1252?q?=2C5?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 23:00:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a565a5620081744846740 I suspect your spot meter told you 1/30 second. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Tripod mounted Zuiko 300mm =83/4,5 @ =83/11, Olympus OM 4 on Spot reading > mode (reading the Moon only), Winder 2, Eyecup 1. > = > Velvia 50 - aRGB > = > > --link to 1280, link to view on black. > = > As always, I'll listen carefully to anything you may wish to say. > = > Fernando. > = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 23:05:51 2009 Received: (qmail 25416 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 21:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 21:05:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1085FE182DB for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6D5E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C4719F820 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:05:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AF819F586 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:05:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19244 invoked by uid 502); 9 Jul 2009 21:05:42 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-184-53.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.184.53) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jul 2009 21:05:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4A565BA2.2060608@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:05:38 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] Thanks! [was first one with the 300mm f/4,5] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 23:05:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a565baf39945368819438 So, in summary, the Nikons are great - except for some uncorrectable performance issues that degrade images? You didn't get around to mentioning the shallow DOF issue many have reported with the Nikons. Thanks guys, for reminding me how happy I am to have chosen the Canon FS4000. :-) Diffuse light source, no mirror, deep DOF. Moose C.H.Ling wrote: > Yes, hazy is still there, 4000ED is famous for flare, I believe the problem is due to the poor lens system. I had lots of hard time in scanning high contrast slides. I remember a worse ... I sent the scanner to N*kon for through cleaning, they did charged me for that but there was zero improvement. > Ken Norton wrote: > The Nikon 4x and 5x series scanners have a mirror. ... As it is below, dust will enter the film gate > and settle downward onto the mirror. > > ... If the mirror is dirty, the image is slightly diffused--not at all unlike shooting a picture through a dirty filter. > ... Besides, as I have been scanning mostly negs these days, the high-contrast of a Velvia slide isn't present so I don't get the diffusion AND the diffusion goes the other way--dark bleeds into light areas. > > Once in a while I'll get a streak on the images when a dust particle settles on the sensor, but can usually dislodge it with either a blast of air or by turning the scanner face down and rapping on the case--followed by more air blasts, etc. > > To put all this in perspective, this haze issue is about the only real issue with the Nikons. Other than the light-source which is more columnated (accentuating grain), the Nikons are built like tanks and have no bad > habits. I can recommend them without hesitation. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 23:07:14 2009 Received: (qmail 804 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 21:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 21:07:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B795CE182E2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2898BE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95D634AC07A for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:07:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2FD34AC077 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:07:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.45] ([72.79.2.12]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMJ0070B9BOMR02@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:07:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A565BF3.9030507@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:06:59 -0400 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A560167.2000803@adinet.com.uy> <633AF6ADF45F419C90EFFC0DDE68E1D1@MAIN> <4A562594.3060505@adinet.com.uy> <4A56426D.6080602@adinet.com.uy> In-reply-to: <4A56426D.6080602@adinet.com.uy> Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 23:07:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a565c0237171258626592 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> Only real problem I >> have with the NikonScan solution is time. You could read "War and Peace" >> while waiting for it to finish. >> >> AG >> > Yes, you're not alone on this. Heard this complaint several times. It's > not a big issue for me, fortunately. > What it takes and bothers me, is the huge amount of computer power it > draws (from this computer, that is: Athlon64, 1GB RAM, XP SP3). > I cannot even type an email when the Coolscan is running. Yes, it's a > little break to make a phone call, eat something, whatever: I prefer > listening to some good uncompressed jazz. > Try installing more RAM. A total of 2-3 GB should make your machine fly. Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 23:18:02 2009 Received: (qmail 4457 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 21:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 21:18:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CA5E182DC for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF65AE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC5919F869 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F213E19F85D for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:17:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so422683fxm.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:17:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.59.73 with SMTP id k9mr1117679bkh.167.1247174275257; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:17:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A565BA2.2060608@gmail.com> References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A565BA2.2060608@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:17:55 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 07ef4500ffcaa6a7 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Thanks! [was first one with the 300mm f/4,5] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 23:18:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a565e8a223176107113666 > > So, in summary, the Nikons are great - except for some uncorrectable > performance issues that degrade images? You didn't get around to > mentioning the shallow DOF issue many have reported with the Nikons. > LOL, it can have performance issues that degrade images, but it isn't guaranteed. When it runs right, it really runs right. As to the shallow DOF, yes, that can be problematic at times--especially with slides that have been projected as they are bowed out. For one-offs, the Canon is a decent option--especially considering that it does larger formats, but for speed of operation for batches of scans, I'll take the Nikon any day. I know that my V-ED has been extremely reliable. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 23:26:19 2009 Received: (qmail 26724 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 21:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 21:26:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821D1E182E7 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FC2E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E74634AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:26:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E403618001 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:26:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so418622bwz.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.124.19 with SMTP id s19mr1176530bkr.6.1247174767646; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:26:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A565A4D.8040101@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A5602A5.2090701@adinet.com.uy> <4A565A4D.8040101@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:26:07 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 17f83f568aebf421 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] =?utf-8?q?=5BIMG=5D_-_second_one_with_the_300mm_=C6=92/4=2C5?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 23:26:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56607b49961136683642 > As always, I'll listen carefully to anything you may wish to say. Buy silver. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Jul 9 23:30:04 2009 Received: (qmail 29153 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 21:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 21:30:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81187E182CA for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C050E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B5534AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:29:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A8634AC077 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:29:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so420261bwz.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:29:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.113.198 with SMTP id b6mr1138998bkq.108.1247174994551; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:29:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A56579C.9080401@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A56579C.9080401@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:29:54 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8c51fbb6b767bb75 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4,5 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Jul 9 23:30:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56615c52801413256596 > > Thanks for the lesson but all I really wanted to know is exactly where > is the haze. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place. > Sorry, I pulled a Jimmy Carter on you. The "haze" of which we are referencing is two-fold. First of all, when there is extreme bright and extreme dark in a slide you'll see a haziness over the dark areas not unlike if you shot the picture through a dirty filter. The second form is the halo that surrounds bright objects. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 00:22:58 2009 Received: (qmail 23694 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 22:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 22:22:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3894E182B4 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8F0E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7FB19F955 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:22:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FCB319F949 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:22:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24232 invoked by uid 502); 9 Jul 2009 22:22:48 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-175-33.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.175.33) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jul 2009 22:22:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4A566DB4.6030107@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:22:44 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A56579C.9080401@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] What about the overall image? [was first one with the 300mm f/4, 5] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 00:22:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a566dc248905368819438 Ken Norton wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Thanks for the lesson but all I really wanted to know is exactly where is the haze. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place. > Sorry, I pulled a Jimmy Carter on you. > > The "haze" of which we are referencing is two-fold. First of all, when there is extreme bright and extreme dark in a slide you'll see a haziness over the dark areas not unlike if you shot the picture through a dirty filter. The second form is the halo that surrounds bright objects. > Chuck, once corrected, it should be pretty easy to see on the roll-over below. It's a band along the center of the bright trunk, becoming wider toward the bottom. It's hard to see against the glaring trunk, so I've shown it against the tamed down version. So, folks, all very interesting about the relatively subtle flare/whatever. What about the image as a whole? First, the primary subject looks wildly overexposed. Actually, the highlights aren't clipped, but the tonal distribution is way off. Second, the primary subject is soft. Whether from inexact focus, vibration, aperture, scan or some combination, once the excessive brightness is corrected, it's just not sharp. Looking at my version now full size, I see I oversharpened it, although I may still prefer it to the original softness. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 00:44:53 2009 Received: (qmail 20422 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 22:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 22:44:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD16E182B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62941E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522D534AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:44:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E797F34AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:44:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18247 invoked by uid 502); 9 Jul 2009 22:44:43 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-197-196.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) 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[was first one with the 300mm f/4,5] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 00:44:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5672e5210915683411216 Ken Norton wrote: >> So, in summary, the Nikons are great - except for some uncorrectable performance issues that degrade images? You didn't get around to mentioning the shallow DOF issue many have reported with the Nikons. > > LOL, it can have performance issues that degrade images, but it isn't guaranteed. When it runs right, it really runs right. > > As to the shallow DOF, yes, that can be problematic at times--especially with slides that have been projected as they are bowed out. > > For one-offs, the Canon is a decent option--especially considering that it does larger formats, I don't know what scanner you are thinking about. The FS4000 is a dedicated 35mm film scanner. I use a flatbed for larger formats. > but for speed of operation for batches of scans, I'll take the Nikon any day. The FS4000 isn't "one-off". It doesn't have slide or roll feeder available, although I probably wouldn't buy them anyway, at the prices I recall for the Nikon units. It does do strips of six frames and sets of four slides at once. Given that all my older negs, color and B&W are already cut into strips of 4 or 6, having new film cut into sixes is a reasonable compromise. For large batches with older, lower rez film or where ultimate IQ isn't needed, I can do 5 strips of up to 6 frames of negs or 12 slides in a batch on the 9950F flatbed. It's very good, but not quite up to the dedicated film unit - at least when pixel peeping. :-) > I know that my V-ED has been extremely reliable. > Never had a glitch with the FS4000. Seems solidly made and is a simple, straightforward design. A stepper motor runs the film holders vertically through the horizontal image path between light source and sensor. I think the focusing motor and stepper motor are the only moving parts. There's an advantage of mechanical simplicity in not having to accommodate bulk feed mechanisms. I doubt that I'll ever stress or wear it out. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 00:51:51 2009 Received: (qmail 14418 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 22:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 22:51:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34667E182E4 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8075E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C322319F9CD for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:51:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D66E19F9B7 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:51:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26082 invoked by uid 502); 9 Jul 2009 22:51:45 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-197-196.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.197.196) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jul 2009 22:51:45 -0000 Message-ID: <4A56747D.7060307@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:51:41 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5007A7.1060503@dippy.info> <4A52E0C2.3030009@gmail.com> <4A5330CB.8060605@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5428E0.1030905@gmail.com> <4A55189F.6040806@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] FS: E-3 and lenses X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 00:51:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a567487166031073733319 Ken Norton wrote: >> Nice try at deflection, but you haven't answered the question. ;-) > Huh? > ===> Moose wrote: > Ken Norton wrote: > >> I've been really really trying to shoot the OMs like they are Leicas. >> > > I don't know what you mean by that. Perhaps you would care to enlighten me? > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 01:28:08 2009 Received: (qmail 20112 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 23:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 23:28:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850F8E182F3 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7598E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA67434AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:28:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1440C34AC030 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:28:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so18877fxm.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:28:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.134 with SMTP id v6mr1247059bkq.2.1247182081779; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:28:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A566DB4.6030107@gmail.com> References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A56579C.9080401@chucknorcutt.com> <4A566DB4.6030107@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:28:01 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 17440b643dcf592d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What about the overall image? [was first one with the 300mm f/4, 5] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 01:28:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a567d0811059752976205 > > Second, the primary subject is soft. Whether from inexact focus, > vibration, aperture, scan or some combination, once the excessive > brightness is corrected, it's just not sharp. Looking at my version now > full size, I see I oversharpened it, although I may still prefer it to > the original softness. > I vote for vibration. But the scan my have a focus issue--it kinda looks like the slide was put in upside down. A neat picture, though. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 01:29:26 2009 Received: (qmail 120 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 23:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 23:29:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96C1E182D4 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CF7E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA68934AC070 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:29:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 3.654 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.654 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FA134AC062 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:29:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 25 days 03:53:36 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-11-50.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.11.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n69NSfe0005437 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:28:42 -0300 Message-ID: <4A567D33.8070400@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:28:51 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A56579C.9080401@chucknorcutt.com> <4A566DB4.6030107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A566DB4.6030107@gmail.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] What about the overall image? [was first one with the 300mm f/4, 5] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 01:29:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a567d56145201744846740 Moose wrote: > > First, the primary subject looks wildly overexposed. Actually, the = > highlights aren't clipped, but the tonal distribution is way off. = > > = In a sense, yes. But bear in mind that the surface of the primary = subject is almost white, and heavily lit by warm light. Besides, in a few seconds I decided to expose for the hollow in the = trunk, to get detail of whatever was inside it. That was my main = subject: the hole in the trunk, so I spot metered perhaps three times = the hole and only one the whitish surface of the omb=FA, which was = reflecting huge amounts of light. I'm looking at the slide right now: = obviously I made the RGB curve too steep, in an intent to increase = overall contrast. Well, I blew some of the details in the highlights = while trying to get the right contrast in the oof front trunk. And as mentioned before, found this outdated Velvia (and the one = developed before), with a shift towards red I was trying to correct at = the same time. As far as I can tell, that was the main reason why the = first version looks so soft: not only had I missed the RGB curve by = doing too little, but was terribly green-cyan. > Second, the primary subject is soft. Whether from inexact focus, = > vibration, aperture, scan or some combination, once the excessive = > brightness is corrected, it's just not sharp. The Velvia is razor sharp, even in the almost blown-out highlights. Fortunately, it's sharper and less red each time I look at it again. No focus error, aperture was =83/8, no vibration etc: it is technically a = good one. The scan is soft, yes > Looking at my version now = > full size, I see I oversharpened it, although I may still prefer it to = > the original softness. > = But compared to to the Velvia, and to the scene I witnessed, the primary = subject is too red-yellow - I don't care about oversharpening, but that = tree is almost white, with a black hole in the middle. ;-) > Moose > = Fernando. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 01:38:29 2009 Received: (qmail 25353 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 23:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 23:38:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBBDE182E0 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EEBE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F02F19FA3A for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:38:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6648019FA3D for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:38:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n69NcKxk027688 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:38:20 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n69NcJBU027200 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:38:20 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <6E6880E937154256A28313B87B28DA3E@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy><4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A565BA2.2060608@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:38:17 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Thanks! [was first one with the 300mm f/4,5] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 01:38:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a567f7529967801554290 For me, it is the speed and color accuracy that brought me into Nikon, for slides the color is very accurate directly from Nikonscan. Consider you have to scan thousands of negative and slide I won't choose anything slower. The DOF is a issue for mounted slides but it is not a problem for film strip so it is ok for most of my collections, all negatives are in strip form and half of my slides are uncut. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > So, in summary, the Nikons are great - except for some uncorrectable > performance issues that degrade images? You didn't get around to > mentioning the shallow DOF issue many have reported with the Nikons. > > Thanks guys, for reminding me how happy I am to have chosen the Canon > FS4000. :-) > > Diffuse light source, no mirror, deep DOF. > > Moose > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Yes, hazy is still there, 4000ED is famous for flare, I believe the >> problem is due to the poor lens system. I had lots of hard time in >> scanning high contrast slides. I remember a worse ... I sent the scanner >> to N*kon for through cleaning, they did charged me for that but there was >> zero improvement. >> > > Ken Norton wrote: >> The Nikon 4x and 5x series scanners have a mirror. ... As it is below, >> dust will enter the film gate >> and settle downward onto the mirror. >> >> ... If the mirror is dirty, the image is slightly diffused--not at all >> unlike shooting a picture through a dirty filter. >> ... Besides, as I have been scanning mostly negs these days, the >> high-contrast of a Velvia slide isn't present so I don't get the >> diffusion AND the diffusion goes the other way--dark bleeds into light >> areas. >> >> Once in a while I'll get a streak on the images when a dust particle >> settles on the sensor, but can usually dislodge it with either a blast of >> air or by turning the scanner face down and rapping on the case--followed >> by more air blasts, etc. >> >> To put all this in perspective, this haze issue is about the only real >> issue with the Nikons. Other than the light-source which is more >> columnated (accentuating grain), the Nikons are built like tanks and have >> no bad >> habits. I can recommend them without hesitation. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 01:39:13 2009 Received: (qmail 32133 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 23:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 23:39:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54A5E182E4 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913FFE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFBF19FA3F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:38:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 3.654 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.654 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1AA19FA3D for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:38:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 25 days 04:02:48 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-11-50.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.11.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n69NcQrQ006063; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:38:26 -0300 Message-ID: <4A567F7B.90901@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:38:35 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <4A5602A5.2090701@adinet.com.uy> <4A565A4D.8040101@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Cc: Ken Norton Subject: Re: [OM] =?windows-1252?q?=5BIMG=5D_-_second_one_with_the_300mm_=83/4?= =?windows-1252?q?=2C5?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 01:39:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a567fa1171902517112723 Fine thing to buy, Ag+ :-) But I was serious about this question: >> > I still must learn how to do such a trick, I remember Walt Wayman >> > talking and doing things using that technique but at that moment I >> > didn't understood. Besides, the list was too noisy, and crowded - it was >> > difficult for me both to listen and to understand. >> >> >> >> It's just a matter of clicking on the check box in the first tab. > > LOL - which one is the first tab? :-) Which first tab? Were you referring to VueScan, or to NikonScan? Fernando. Ken Norton wrote: > > As always, I'll listen carefully to anything you may wish to say. > > Buy silver. > > AG > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 01:47:22 2009 Received: (qmail 32656 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 23:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 23:47:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03983E182B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E70AE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F9C34AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:47:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9F834AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:47:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n69NlEIk028912 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:47:14 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n69NlExW003936 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:47:14 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <0E0607959FA34243BE3D9B897606C41C@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy><92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A56566B.1050902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:47:12 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 01:47:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56818a307109730998309 Yes, this is what I'm talking about, for such distance I highly believe it is not part of the scene and based on my experience with 4000ED it is 'normal' :-( C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" >I did see light streaks in the black area to the right of the tree. Is > that what you're talking about. I assumed that was part of the scene. > > Chuck Norcutt > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> There are some flare along the edges of the tree (right side). You need a >> monitor that can see the dark values (my monitor cannot resolve all, only >> marginally resolved to 3): >> >> http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php >> >> BTW, I found removing the external calibration (Spyder 2 pro) my monitor >> gamma values on different colors are more accurate: >> >> http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php >> >> Together with the ability to resolve most of the white values then your >> monitor should be very good (my monitor can resolve to 253 only). >> >> http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/white.php >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> >>> I'm afraid I don't see any "haze" and have no idea what y'all are >>> carryin' on about. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> C.H.Ling wrote: >>>> Yes, hazy is still there, 4000ED is famous for flare, I believe the >>>> problem >>>> is due to the poor lens system. I had lots of hard time in scanning >>>> high >>>> contrast slides. I remember a worse case was a lady wearing black fur >>>> standing beside a white car under the sun, film was Kodakchrome 64. The >>>> slide itself looked very nice and clean but the scan had lots of white >>>> diffused to the black fur, it took me lots of time to touch up the scan >>>> with >>>> PS. I sent the scanner to N*kon for through cleaning, they did charged >>>> me >>>> for that but there was zero improvement. >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling >>>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 01:51:43 2009 Received: (qmail 6245 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2009 23:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 23:51:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807B2E182E6 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31C4E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808B51CD492 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:51:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 3.654 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.654 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83201CD486 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:51:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 25 days 04:15:53 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-11-50.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.11.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n69NpTC3006856 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:51:29 -0300 Message-ID: <4A56828A.2000900@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:51:38 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A56579C.9080401@chucknorcutt.com> <4A566DB4.6030107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] What about the overall image? [was first one with the 300mm f/4, 5] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 01:51:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56828f247859752976205 No, vibration? this lens' diaphragm makes almost no sound compared to my other Zuiko. There was a bean bag over the body-lens, and MLU and diaphragm pre-fire. I should have a better tripod, sure. The slide was put as it should into the scanner. The Nikon may have a focus issue, that's my worst nightmare. But take a look at the second upload ... Well, at last: it _is_ a neat picture, despite the big front trunk. In fact, this very issue makes it a somehow unusual picture - at least for the ones I make. Curves are difficult for me. Are them difficult for anyone here? I vote for curves !! :-) Fernando. Ken Norton wrote: >> Second, the primary subject is soft. Whether from inexact focus, >> vibration, aperture, scan or some combination, once the excessive >> brightness is corrected, it's just not sharp. Looking at my version now >> full size, I see I oversharpened it, although I may still prefer it to >> the original softness. >> >> > > I vote for vibration. But the scan my have a focus issue--it kinda looks > like the slide was put in upside down. > > A neat picture, though. > > AG > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 02:23:02 2009 Received: (qmail 28662 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 00:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 00:23:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15C0E182E2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20112E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD871CD492 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:22:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470821CD49C for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:22:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n6A0MrH6002266 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:22:53 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n6A0Mrga029994 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:22:53 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <745ABF671E384FCCA08E126FD5090C23@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy><92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A560167.2000803@adinet.com.uy> <633AF6ADF45F419C90EFFC0DDE68E1D1@MAIN> <4A562594.3060505@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:22:52 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 02:23:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5689e662261950411718 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" > Nonono ... either I was a little asleep. or too optimistic, or both. > > It's Ok in the shadows boxes, but blows off at the last bright square. > Next-to-last square is barely distinguishable. > > Gamma is set at 2.2, and Adobe Gamma checks it as Ok, > But I have a 'profiled' Adobe RGB 1998 loaded, instead of sRGB. > Then, I suppose this could be the reason why at 48% red and green gamma > lean towards 2.35 - blue is more difficult to asset since it blends > through a wider range of values. So does gray. > > I find it hard to believe that you trust more this web link that the > hardware calibration tool. > Is it so, absolutely? I've just bought one ! :-/ At the first day I calibrated my monitors I found the gamma was way off with all gamma targets I can found in Internet with four computers I have at home. I have to choose different gamma values for them when I need actual 2.2. Fortunately my wife (she has better eyes) told me the calibrated monitor still have neutral grey. Besides the EIZO I'm using, the other computers have cheaper monitors so they do benifit from calibration. After an extensive search I found this LCD test site looks good, when I remove the Spyder 2 Pro calibration and just use the monitor's own setting (gamma 2.2) I found all the gamma at different colors/levels are just much more accurate and close to 2.2 (with 0.1 max deviation). I also checked other gamma targets and they were ok so I give my trust to the EIZO and this web. > > Last: yes, I do see what you saw in the small .jpg > Always, until now, considered such a small 'leaking' a result of a poor > monitor (it's quite new, nonetheless). > You can confirm the problem with RGB values in software, the values increase slowly when you move the cursor towards the tree. > So, do you set your USM at NikonScan with large radius and small amount? > I did exactly the other way round: radius 10% ~15%, intensity 30%, > threshold as default or 0~1%. > The values depends on image size, but I will only use 8-15% intensity. Too much will affect the contrast of the image, I don't like deviate too much from original. For your web size image, an Amount of 13% and Radius of 10 pixel looks good. > Are those your usual settings, or only when high contrast is present? > Most my scanned slides require this LCE but with different values. > What now bothers me most in how difficult it is for the scanner to pick up > details from the shadows. > This sometimes makes me to bend upwards the lowest values in the RGB curve > only, which is very tiresome and time consuming and error prone. > I don't have much problem with shadow details even with my Velvia 50 slides. I think the problem is Nikonscan, other than default factory setting and sRGB I will not trust any other one (I think I have told you my setting in details before). C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 02:48:15 2009 Received: (qmail 4722 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 00:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 00:48:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7FAE182C9 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB5FE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C5B34AC062 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:48:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9035C34AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:48:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.238]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n6A0m5Yu006175 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:48:06 +1000 Message-Id: <200907100048.n6A0m5Yu006175@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:48:05 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:48:05 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] Adorama repalcement battery for blm-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 02:48:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a568fce64001413256596 > John Hudson wrote: > > There was no place of manufacture / assembly shown on the product label. > > Why shoot with a top of the line camera then use a no-name and > not-known-where-made battery? > Isn't *everything* made in China now ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 03:07:28 2009 Received: (qmail 20281 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 01:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 01:07:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B982E182DD for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DE0E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA6034AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:07:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F4534AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:07:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23202 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jul 2009 01:07:19 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jul 2009 01:07:19 -0000 Message-ID: <4A569446.2060900@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:07:18 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A560167.2000803@adinet.com.uy> <633AF6ADF45F419C90EFFC0DDE68E1D1@MAIN> <4A562594.3060505@adinet.com.uy> <4A56426D.6080602@adinet.com.uy> <4A565BF3.9030507@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4A565BF3.9030507@verizon.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090709-0, 07/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 03:07:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a569450198593900897491 Yes, 1GB on Winders doing images is tiny. Chuck Norcutt Russ Butler wrote: > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >>> Only real problem I >>> have with the NikonScan solution is time. You could read "War and Peace" >>> while waiting for it to finish. >>> >>> AG >>> >> Yes, you're not alone on this. Heard this complaint several times. It's >> not a big issue for me, fortunately. >> What it takes and bothers me, is the huge amount of computer power it >> draws (from this computer, that is: Athlon64, 1GB RAM, XP SP3). >> I cannot even type an email when the Coolscan is running. Yes, it's a >> little break to make a phone call, eat something, whatever: I prefer >> listening to some good uncompressed jazz. >> > > Try installing more RAM. > A total of 2-3 GB should make your machine fly. > > Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 03:18:30 2009 Received: (qmail 25883 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 01:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 01:18:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C98E181A5 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63B3E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D1C1CD486 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:18:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB7119FA7A for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:18:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29602 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jul 2009 01:18:22 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jul 2009 01:18:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5696DE.5040007@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:18:22 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A56579C.9080401@chucknorcutt.com> <4A566DB4.6030107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A566DB4.6030107@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090709-0, 07/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] What about the overall image? [was first one with the 300mm f/4, 5] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 03:18:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5696e6149031946193717 I must be blind as a bat. I don't see any haze anywhere. I don't see it on the bright trunk nor do I see it in the black area to the right which is where CH said it was. The hazy look in the black area now looks like another trunk in the far background after your rework. Would the real haze please stand up? Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Ken Norton wrote: >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the lesson but all I really wanted to know is exactly where is the haze. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place. >> Sorry, I pulled a Jimmy Carter on you. >> >> The "haze" of which we are referencing is two-fold. First of all, when there is extreme bright and extreme dark in a slide you'll see a haziness over the dark areas not unlike if you shot the picture through a dirty filter. The second form is the halo that surrounds bright objects. >> > > Chuck, once corrected, it should be pretty easy to see on the roll-over > below. It's a band along the center of the bright trunk, becoming wider > toward the bottom. It's hard to see against the glaring trunk, so I've > shown it against the tamed down version. > > So, folks, all very interesting about the relatively subtle > flare/whatever. What about the image as a whole? > > First, the primary subject looks wildly overexposed. Actually, the > highlights aren't clipped, but the tonal distribution is way off. > > > Second, the primary subject is soft. Whether from inexact focus, > vibration, aperture, scan or some combination, once the excessive > brightness is corrected, it's just not sharp. Looking at my version now > full size, I see I oversharpened it, although I may still prefer it to > the original softness. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 04:28:28 2009 Received: (qmail 32530 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 02:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 02:28:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53645E18229 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B36FE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CA434AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:28:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE3434AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:28:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jgettis81@earthlink.net whitelisted) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.175.110.96] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MP5qX-0003Wt-BY for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:28:21 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:28:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da940f5b41e69de7ce819c54caac53d5ff667350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.110.96 Subject: Re: [OM] Adorama repalcement battery for blm-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 04:28:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56a74c291521413256596 Thanks Think I will wait until I can afford a orginal Olympus battery. The price was real tempting John -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 04:38:18 2009 Received: (qmail 29538 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 02:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 02:38:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE96E182C9 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69450E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA4834AC02F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:38:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B853134AC029 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:38:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so508065bwz.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:38:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.124.19 with SMTP id s19mr1421460bkr.6.1247193490499; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:38:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5696DE.5040007@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A56579C.9080401@chucknorcutt.com> <4A566DB4.6030107@gmail.com> <4A5696DE.5040007@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:38:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fb89d8b0bf35b965 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What about the overall image? [was first one with the 300mm f/4, 5] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 04:38:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56a999260791234514069 > > I must be blind as a bat. I don't see any haze anywhere. I don't see > it on the bright trunk nor do I see it in the black area to the right > which is where CH said it was. The hazy look in the black area now > looks like another trunk in the far background after your rework. Would > the real haze please stand up? > Well, I guess that this proves just how much of a "problem" this is, eh? :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 04:43:12 2009 Received: (qmail 13907 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 02:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 02:43:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90D4E182E6 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673EEE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DFB1CD493 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:43:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 3.654 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.654 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3F91CD492 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:43:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 25 days 07:07:23 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-11-50.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.11.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6A2gwTg017628 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:42:59 -0300 Message-ID: <4A56AABC.6040406@adinet.com.uy> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:43:08 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A56579C.9080401@chucknorcutt.com> <4A566DB4.6030107@gmail.com> <4A5696DE.5040007@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A5696DE.5040007@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] What about the overall image? [was first one with the 300mm f/4, 5] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 04:43:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56aac0262521076813867 Hey, Bat-Man ;-) It _is_ another trunk, more dark in the scan than in the Velvia (remember I spot-metered the hole in the white trunk). I made unbelievable twists on the RGB curve to lift the shadows there, even used highlight/shadows in PS for the first scan, not for the second one. Haze has two meanings in this thread (I had thought it was an uninteresting picture I did in a rush ... ): one is an issue addressed by C.H. and another is a mix of low contrast / wrong color balance, addressed by Ken and Carlos _for the first one only_. The second one is much better; it has less detail in the shadows, has a strong red hue as does this Velvia roll, and has blown out highlight which are a result of a too steep RGB curve - in a quest of improving overall contrast and bring up shadow details, I blew the highlights a little. Remember the trunk is almost white, with a black hole in the middle. I wanted to see into the black hole. So, I'm trying now to _guess_ how to do a scan for the highlights and one for the shadows, in Vuescan, I'm failing to find a way ... I don't want to go to sleep tomorrow at 4. I'd like to collect the advice of C.H., Ken, Moose, Carlos, Russ Butler and yours - and make another scan with even more careful curves adjustments, and USM to cancel the issue addressed by C.H., but I'm too tired this far. Perhaps someone would tell me how do I make a scan for the shadows and combine it with one for the highlights - expanding the dynamic range will solve all the questions posed by the digitalization of these trunks' image. Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The hazy look in the black area now > looks like another trunk in the far background after your rework. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 05:02:39 2009 Received: (qmail 29961 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 03:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 03:02:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F61EE182C8 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D823E240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBA21CD493 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:02:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 3.654 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.654 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711791CD492 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 25 days 07:26:51 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-11-50.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.11.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6A32QZr019134 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:02:26 -0300 Message-ID: <4A56AF4B.50905@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:02:35 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <821C3E13B339427B9AD480A447191483@MAIN> <4A550DF6.3090608@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy><92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A560167.2000803@adinet.com.uy> <633AF6ADF45F419C90EFFC0DDE68E1D1@MAIN> <4A562594.3060505@adinet.com.uy> <745ABF671E384FCCA08E126FD5090C23@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <745ABF671E384FCCA08E126FD5090C23@MAIN> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 05:02:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56af4f116901879814018 Yes you did, and I remember them very well. Finding a synthesis of your experience and what I've been taught and experienced, has occupied lots of my thinking. Still, the circle remains open, I find contradictions here and there and I tend to lean towards what I'm accustomed. Maybe I should understand yours as a pragmatic solution: "phenomenological" in western philosophy. Your use of the word 'trust' points me towards that understanding- :-) Fernando. C.H.Ling wrote: > > I think the problem is Nikonscan, other than default factory setting and > sRGB I will not trust any other one (I think I have told you my setting in > details before). > > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 05:11:06 2009 Received: (qmail 18331 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 03:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 03:11:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EF6E182DC for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DEBE240B2 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73B71CD493 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:11:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 3.654 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.654 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB751CD492 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:10:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 25 days 07:35:17 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-11-50.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.11.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6A3AOg7019765 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:10:24 -0300 Message-ID: <4A56B129.8030207@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:10:33 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy> <4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A560167.2000803@adinet.com.uy> <633AF6ADF45F419C90EFFC0DDE68E1D1@MAIN> <4A562594.3060505@adinet.com.uy> <4A56426D.6080602@adinet.com.uy> <4A565BF3.9030507@verizon.net> <4A569446.2060900@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A569446.2060900@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4, 5 (monitor calibration) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 05:11:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56b14a100121234514069 On Applechics too ... Buying and installing RAM in an almost obsolete but functional machine............ Wow, I just want to burn some Velvia for serious fun. I'm at the risk of forgetting what do I do for a living ... fine, otherwise I'd end finding it boring. :-) Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Yes, 1GB on Winders doing images is tiny. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Russ Butler wrote: > >> >> Try installing more RAM. >> A total of 2-3 GB should make your machine fly. >> >> Russ Butler (NJ USA) >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 08:08:25 2009 Received: (qmail 10196 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 06:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 06:08:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD4FE182F3 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617FBE24A99 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4884A1CD488 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:08:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40ED71CD485 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:08:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so387fxm.14 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:08:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.124.7 with SMTP id s7mr1524486bkr.189.1247206095199; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:08:15 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f87b642f413041cb Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 08:08:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56dad9181007801554290 I just whipped up a quick comparison of a problem slide in the Nikon Coolscan V-ED. First image is using NikonScan straight with no processing other than ICE dust removal. Second image is using NikonScan with DDE and ROC turned on. Third image is using VueScan straight. Fourth image is using VueScan with Multi-exposure. I did make a mistake and didn't catch it until too late, but will redo it at some point. The Vuescan output was sRGB whereas NikonScan was aRGB. All further modifications and resizings and color-space changes for the web was done in PWP 5.0. The VueScan images look the same, but if you look at the border (plastic frame) of the slide, you'll see that the straight VueScan scan was boosted by the software (a bit of auto-exposure in processing) so the shadows show no difference as compared to the multi-scan. Also, since the output color space was sRGB, the shadow-detail of multi-exposure, was kinda lost as those details were within the zone of loss in the sRGB color space. At least it shows the flare. http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=441&Itemid=1 AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 09:09:23 2009 Received: (qmail 5830 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 07:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 07:09:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6F1E182E5 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E01E24A99 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B301934AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:09:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A0734AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:09:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@m93.myzen.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.142]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [217.155.39.109] (helo=[192.168.1.64]) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPAEN-0006bC-LP for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:09:15 +0000 Message-ID: <4A56E917.7090303@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:09:11 +0100 From: Martyn Smoothy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [217.155.39.109] Subject: Re: [OM] Adorama repalcement battery for blm-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 09:09:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56e923228496789618724 Don't know about the particular battery offered by adorama but on the general issue of non OEM batteries - I bought one for my E-1 nearly 4 years ago (branded Uniross). Still works just as well as the original Olympus battery - apart from the label they're indistinguishable... jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > Thanks Think I will wait until I can afford a orginal Olympus battery. The > price was real tempting John -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 09:38:19 2009 Received: (qmail 31243 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 07:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 07:38:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B93E182EB for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E387E24A99 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AABE34AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:38:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B23434AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:38:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so30325fxm.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:38:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.94.11 with SMTP id r11mr311077fgb.62.1247211491843; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:38:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A56E917.7090303@m93.myzen.co.uk> References: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> <4A56E917.7090303@m93.myzen.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:38:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Adorama repalcement battery for blm-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 09:38:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a56efeb272891342116753 Yes, round here the Hahnel and Jessops clones have been at least as good as BLM-1s and Canon 511s. Ive had about 8. The Hahnel do a mains/car charger which is pretty handy too. Tom 2009/7/10 Martyn Smoothy > Don't know about the particular battery offered by adorama but on the > general issue of non OEM batteries - I bought one for my E-1 nearly 4 > years ago (branded Uniross). Still works just as well as the original > Olympus battery - apart from the label they're indistinguishable... > > > > > Thanks Think I will wait until I can afford a orginal Olympus battery. > The > > price was real tempting John > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 12:23:03 2009 Received: (qmail 6526 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 10:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 10:23:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B48E182AE for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34946E24A99 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A42F34AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:22:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D677634AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:22:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp01.jazztel.es (smtp01.jazztel.es [62.14.3.170]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.16.47] (helo=webmail1.jazznet.es) by smtp01.jazztel.es with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MPDFh-0005Lu-Oh for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:22:49 +0200 Received: from 9.208.165.83.static.mundo-r.com (9.208.165.83.static.mundo-r.com [83.165.208.9]) by webmail.jazznet.es (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:22:49 +0200 Message-ID: <20090710122249.vofnzhmego0ssw0w@webmail.jazznet.es> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:22:49 +0200 From: David Irisarri To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> <4A56E917.7090303@m93.myzen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Originating-IP: 83.165.208.9 X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: =?iso-8859-1?b?VmVyc2nDs24=?= en texto del mensaje X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 12:23:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57168799262517112723 Hi all, Thank you for your ideas regarding to PS. According to highlight = recovery, I am using RAW Developer for MAC so results should be close = to ACR as both take DCRAW from David Coffin. Joel thanks for your compliments regarding to the pictures. I am a = little bit picky (I don=B4t know if it=B4s the right word) with the images = because the photographer in the wedding was Kake = http://www.kakefoto.com/modules/wfarcadina/index.php?id=3D12 He is the = best photographer of La Coru=F1a. He simply loves Olympus cameras, he = appeared in a german magazine using the E-3 in some weddings. I had = time to speak with him during the wedding about Zuiko Digital lenses, = and some E-bodies. He was using also the E-3 with 14-35 f2, E-30 with = 12-60 and some Canon 3d-mark II bodies with 70-200 lenses, video = cameras, etc... So I wanted to take some good pics ;))) I would love = working with him. I will be meet him again in the next wedding at the = end of August and I would like to be prepared. ;))) I had very bad experiences with my E-1 at the end of the wedding = because the autofocus wasn=B4t working (I had to press the shutter = release several times to get the subject in focus) and although I was = using SHLD-2 grip, it seems it wasn=B4t enough for the whole night. E-1 = was certainly slow focusing inside the building with low light. So E-3 = is a clear winner in all fields. I just only want to see if E-1 = dynamic range is narrower than E-3 one. In several days I=B4ll submit = the results regarding to E-1 dynamic range using Imatest software. Regards, Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2007 Jazztel - Jazz Telecom, S.A.U. http://www.jazztel.com Antes de imprimir este e-mail piense bien si es necesario hacerlo. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 12:24:10 2009 Received: (qmail 29146 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 10:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 10:24:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A91E182E6 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA203E24A99 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D830034AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:24:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF2534AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:24:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5914 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jul 2009 10:24:03 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090709-0, 07/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Adorama repalcement battery for blm-1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 12:24:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5716ca181481136683642 The Uniross was the subject of a teardown test here and was highly recommended. Some others were specifically not recommended. I think the Uniross is only available in the UK or maybe in Europe. Chuck Norcutt Martyn Smoothy wrote: > Don't know about the particular battery offered by adorama but on the > general issue of non OEM batteries - I bought one for my E-1 nearly 4 > years ago (branded Uniross). Still works just as well as the original > Olympus battery - apart from the label they're indistinguishable... > > > jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: >> Thanks Think I will wait until I can afford a orginal Olympus battery. The >> price was real tempting John -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 13:46:27 2009 Received: (qmail 13147 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 11:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 11:46:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D781E182CC for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AE4E24A99 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F0719E36E for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0D319E362 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:46:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30364 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jul 2009 11:46:18 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jul 2009 11:46:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4A572A09.7010201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:46:17 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> <4A56E917.7090303@m93.myzen.co.uk> <20090710122249.vofnzhmego0ssw0w@webmail.jazznet.es> In-Reply-To: <20090710122249.vofnzhmego0ssw0w@webmail.jazznet.es> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090709-0, 07/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 13:46:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a572a13164835683411216 Sounds highly unlikely to me. Do you have a reliable source for your statement that ACR uses DCRAW? Chuck Norcutt David Irisarri wrote: > I am using RAW Developer for MAC so results should be close > to ACR as both take DCRAW from David Coffin. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 14:26:34 2009 Received: (qmail 25744 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 12:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 12:26:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F65EEDC00F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA928E24A99 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8086234AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:26:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9123334AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:26:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.207.221]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMK00FYXFVT5OQ5@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:26:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A57336D.3070501@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:26:21 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8EE2C76D-7884-44D1-A895-ADE421E06F92@frozenlight.eu> In-reply-to: <8EE2C76D-7884-44D1-A895-ADE421E06F92@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Four days in Warsaw X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 14:26:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57337a204312439112457 Beautiful work Nathan. I especially like -man on the bus- and -outdoor photo exhibit near the university- . The Hard Rock Cafe does indeed seem out of place. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I was in Warsaw at the end of June and took lots of pictures. So even > though this is a fairly large gallery, with 95 images, it has taken me > several days to get it to this point. I try to show the ways in which > Warsaw today is a normal European city, but one that carries many > scars from the recent and more distant past: > > http://www.frozenlight.eu/warsaw062009 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 15:36:08 2009 Received: (qmail 9667 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 13:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 13:36:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694DDE182F0 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED068E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D2134AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:35:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453F234AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:35:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (martin.walters@nrcan-rncan.gc.ca whitelisted) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:35:58 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:35:53 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test Thread-Index: AcoBJNTCAnkBEaU0ROmR3gDbPVHtyQAPaIbg References: From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2009 13:35:58.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BAB3F20:01CA0163] Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 15:36:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5743c8252105368819438 Interesting, I think. Having recently found a new V ED up here, I've been wondering about getting Vuescan. Now, I haven't been really following Fernando's thread. However, looking at your scans I don't see any flare. The scans, with either Nikonscan or Vuescan, look OK to me. Perhaps I'm not looking for the flare in the right place? For the time being, I don't expect to be doing a lot of scanning. I do have a long-term project to scan my parents slides from the 1960s. Nevertheless, I would be interested in your assessment of Vuescan and its output relative to Nikonscan. Martin -----Original Message----- From: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@zone-10.com] Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:08 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test I just whipped up a quick comparison of a problem slide in the Nikon Coolscan V-ED. First image is using NikonScan straight with no processing other than ICE dust removal. Second image is using NikonScan with DDE and ROC turned on. Third image is using VueScan straight. Fourth image is using VueScan with Multi-exposure. I did make a mistake and didn't catch it until too late, but will redo it at some point. The Vuescan output was sRGB whereas NikonScan was aRGB. All further modifications and resizings and color-space changes for the web was done in PWP 5.0. The VueScan images look the same, but if you look at the border (plastic frame) of the slide, you'll see that the straight VueScan scan was boosted by the software (a bit of auto-exposure in processing) so the shadows show no difference as compared to the multi-scan. Also, since the output color space was sRGB, the shadow-detail of multi-exposure, was kinda lost as those details were within the zone of loss in the sRGB color space. At least it shows the flare. http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=441&It emid=1 AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 15:47:59 2009 Received: (qmail 4863 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 13:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 13:47:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D06E182CC for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7636E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9627834AC062 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:47:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B496234AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:47:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so206646fxm.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:47:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.164.9 with SMTP id r9mr181325hbd.38.1247233671395; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:47:51 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 15:47:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57468f247281744846740 Hi John, Chuck and all, > From: John Hermanson > > There are 5 types of 50 1.8 > > 1 - Silver nosed, single coated > 2 - black filter ring, single coated, glass parts different than type 1. > 3 & 4 multicoated. "Japan" on name ring. Mostly identical inside > except type 4 has different lens group 2nd in from the rear. Name ring > will say "MC" (type 3) or not (Type 4). > 5 - Multicoated, "Made in Japan" on name ring, shares no optical parts > with type 3 or 4. Uses same name ring as type 4, Not marked MC. > Thanks for the reminder. I wasn't aware of the type-4! So, the only external difference with the type (the 'miJ') is that type 4 is marked 'Japan' and type 5 'made in Japan' at the name ring, am I wrong? Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> No, it's not the MIJ although they comment that it's multicoated so > > it's > >> later rather than earlier. The MIJ name ring just says "ZUIKO" and > > not > >> "F.ZUIKO". Also, on the MIJ, the focal length precedes the aperture > >> whereas this older lens lists the aperture first. > > >>> http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1279/cat/14 > Thanks for your accurate and comprehensive description of Zuiko's different markings. But now I'm wondering if the lens shown in the above link is the _actual_ lens they used for the test, or just a generic picture? Anyway, as you already said, the presence or not of multicoating should have no effect at all on Chromatic Aberration. Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 15:52:10 2009 Received: (qmail 26103 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 13:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 13:52:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E894EE182E8 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9813FE240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C75119E759 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:52:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A46D19E758 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:52:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31865 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jul 2009 13:52:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jul 2009 13:52:02 -0000 Message-ID: <4A574781.9010909@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:52:01 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090709-0, 07/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 15:52:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57478a311192439112457 I couldn't see the flare either until I blocked the light from the window. Although the window faces north the early morning summer sun is still pretty bright. As soon as I blocked the glare the weak flare was clearly visible in the black area above the petals. Chuck Norcutt Walters, Martin wrote: > Interesting, I think. Having recently found a new V ED up here, I've > been wondering about getting Vuescan. Now, I haven't been really > following Fernando's thread. However, looking at your scans I don't see > any flare. The scans, with either Nikonscan or Vuescan, look OK to me. > Perhaps I'm not looking for the flare in the right place? > > For the time being, I don't expect to be doing a lot of scanning. I do > have a long-term project to scan my parents slides from the 1960s. > Nevertheless, I would be interested in your assessment of Vuescan and > its output relative to Nikonscan. > > > Martin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@zone-10.com] > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:08 AM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test > > I just whipped up a quick comparison of a problem slide in the Nikon > Coolscan V-ED. > > First image is using NikonScan straight with no processing other than > ICE dust removal. > Second image is using NikonScan with DDE and ROC turned on. > Third image is using VueScan straight. > Fourth image is using VueScan with Multi-exposure. > > I did make a mistake and didn't catch it until too late, but will redo > it at some point. The Vuescan output was sRGB whereas NikonScan was > aRGB. All further modifications and resizings and color-space changes > for the web was done in PWP 5.0. > > The VueScan images look the same, but if you look at the border (plastic > frame) of the slide, you'll see that the straight VueScan scan was > boosted by the software (a bit of auto-exposure in processing) so the > shadows show no difference as compared to the multi-scan. Also, since > the output color space was sRGB, the shadow-detail of multi-exposure, > was kinda lost as those details were within the zone of loss in the sRGB > color space. > > At least it shows the flare. > > http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=441&It > emid=1 > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 16:06:27 2009 Received: (qmail 29550 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 14:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 14:06:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643D6E182F1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CE7E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC88B34AC030 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:06:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C386F34AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:06:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so768199bwz.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:06:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.134 with SMTP id v6mr1944923bkq.2.1247234779594; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:06:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:06:19 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2785d2e5b46c3a4d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 16:06:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a574ae3217231073733319 OK, I redid the VueScan files. Originally, the VueScan files were outputted in sRGB instead of aRGB like the Nikon files. All files were IDENTICALLY processed in PWP 5.0 which was the following steps. PWP's colorspace is ProPhoto RGB and all files were converted into this colorspace with "Maintain Full Gamut" intent. 1. Resize to 800 pixel width. 2. Sharpen (to compensate for resize algorithm--not to improve image file) 3. Add border (20 pixel white) 4. Convert to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 (Maintain Full Gamut) 5. Convert to 24-bit from 48-bit file 6. Save As JPEG at 93% The very last image has been modified. It's the VueScan Plain image with a curves adjustment (black-point set) to put the shadows back down in the proper place--and the border is STILL to high--but at least it more fairly shows what the multi-exposure function of VueScan does. Again, the link: http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=441&Itemid=1 AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 16:12:17 2009 Received: (qmail 18446 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 14:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 14:12:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05847E182DA for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47463E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CB419E7BD for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:12:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5982119E7B9 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:12:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so772059bwz.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:12:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.146 with SMTP id i18mr1947478bkg.82.1247235130269; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:12:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A572A09.7010201@chucknorcutt.com> References: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> <4A56E917.7090303@m93.myzen.co.uk> <20090710122249.vofnzhmego0ssw0w@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A572A09.7010201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:12:10 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8683011adf29903c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 16:12:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a574c4151451342116753 > > Sounds highly unlikely to me. Do you have a reliable source for your > statement that ACR uses DCRAW? This has been circulating around on the Internet and I think it has to do with one on-line review that the reviewer made a poor assumption about it. It doesn't even make sense, as Adobe owns converter technologies that predate DCRAW by quite some time and also bought out probably the finest raw converter made to make sure Lightroom wasn't stillborn. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 16:57:22 2009 Received: (qmail 13447 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 14:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 14:57:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4D9EDC00F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77F8E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A7819E944 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:57:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB36319DB28 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:57:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so251600fxm.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:57:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.137.69 with SMTP id k5mr159017hbk.111.1247237830689; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:57:10 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 16:57:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5756d211059752976205 Hi Ken and all, > From: Ken Norton > > Yes, it's a shame for me -- that prevents the use of an OM body + Winder > > for > > an automated meteor shower recorder :-( > > > > OM-1md, OM-1n, OM-3, OM-3Ti. Nope. Just checked my bodies... I no longer have my OM-4, and never had a 3, but the 2SP @ B + winder does ZERO exposure -- and the same at the red 1/60. As John H. noted, the OM-2 / 2n @ B + winder makes a short (about 1/500) exposure. My OM-1n (and the 2 / 2n's with good batteries in) does a somewhat longer exposure, I would say around 1/60. Definitely not B, though. Whay I would need for the task is some electro-mechanical device (a solenoid?) screwed into the shutter release thread (just like a classic cable release) which actually presses the shutter release for the specified time, then looses it, after a prudential time sends a pulse to the remote connector of the Winder (does it have one?) and, after a safe time for winding, starts depressing the release again... way beyond my abilities :-( Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 17:02:58 2009 Received: (qmail 22557 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 15:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 15:02:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662EBE182E8 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4316E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8524519DB28 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:02:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CA219E962 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:02:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so803943bwz.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:02:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.59.73 with SMTP id k9mr1987074bkh.167.1247238171143; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:02:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A574781.9010909@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A574781.9010909@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:02:51 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 31717e3bbe1648f8 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 17:02:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a575822269581220213263 > > I couldn't see the flare either until I blocked the light from the > window. Although the window faces north the early morning summer sun is > still pretty bright. As soon as I blocked the glare the weak flare was > clearly visible in the black area above the petals. > If you can't clearly see it on the second image, you really do need to fix the profile of your monitor. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 17:12:57 2009 Received: (qmail 26250 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 15:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 15:12:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C93DE182F0 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB24E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E567D34AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:12:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2519E34AC062 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:12:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so809839bwz.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:12:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.79.20 with SMTP id n20mr2004714bkk.78.1247238770856; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:12:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:12:50 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1943e5f1a24d2034 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 17:12:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a575a79164105368819438 Yes, Carlos, you would need an electro-mechanical device to press and hold the plunger for the regular camera shutter release. You cannot do bulb-exposures with the winders as the triggering device. One possibility that I'm thinking of is to use the Olympus IS-1, IS-2 or IS-3 cameras. In Bulb mode, they are press to start, press to stop and then it auto-advances the film. As these are the bargains of the century (outstanding zoom lens, and a huge feature-list), you can easily buy a few for next to nothing and rip apart the shutter release button to wire up to an external computer triggering device. BTW, the IS-3 has one feature which is so very beyond cool. The infrared remote can be used in front of the camera AND beyond the camera!!!! The sensor has two windows--one facing forward like every other electronic camera, and another window facing backwards and above. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 17:24:23 2009 Received: (qmail 12575 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 15:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 15:24:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55AFAE18228 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B867E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C9134AC078 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:24:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A4D34AC077 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:24:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so267820fxm.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.135.129 with SMTP id d1mr183363hbd.137.1247239455504; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:24:15 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 17:24:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a575d27300892013633067 Hi Bob and all, From: Bob Whitmire >Sorry about the troubles. Is your browser updated? Unfortunately*, yes :-( >Windows? Explorer >8? If you're on a Mac, Firefox or Safari shouldn't do that to you. No; it's Safari 4.0* on OS X 10.4.11 Besides this problem (which has no effect on navigation), nothing wrong with your website -- and very nice pictures out there! Cheers, *) Safari 4.0 is, IMHO, the nastiest PoS I've seen from Apple -- shame I can't get back to 3.x :-( -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 17:37:39 2009 Received: (qmail 25373 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 15:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 15:37:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2ECBE18229 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9405E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F67B34AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:37:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B1534AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:37:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.207.221]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMK00DRJOQFJ700@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:37:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A57603B.9080902@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:37:31 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 17:37:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a576043230441136683642 Externally, yes, name ring appears to be the only difference. Going from type 4 to MIJ type 5, glass is completely different. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > Hi John, Chuck and all, > > >> From: John Hermanson >> > > >> There are 5 types of 50 1.8 >> >> 1 - Silver nosed, single coated >> 2 - black filter ring, single coated, glass parts different than type 1. >> 3 & 4 multicoated. "Japan" on name ring. Mostly identical inside >> except type 4 has different lens group 2nd in from the rear. Name ring >> will say "MC" (type 3) or not (Type 4). >> 5 - Multicoated, "Made in Japan" on name ring, shares no optical parts >> with type 3 or 4. Uses same name ring as type 4, Not marked MC. >> > > Thanks for the reminder. I wasn't aware of the type-4! So, the only external > difference with the type (the 'miJ') is that type 4 is marked 'Japan' and > type 5 'made in Japan' at the name ring, am I wrong? > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > >>>> No, it's not the MIJ although they comment that it's multicoated so >>> it's >>>> later rather than earlier. The MIJ name ring just says "ZUIKO" and >>> not >>>> "F.ZUIKO". Also, on the MIJ, the focal length precedes the aperture >>>> whereas this older lens lists the aperture first. > > >>>>> http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1279/cat/14 > > Thanks for your accurate and comprehensive description of Zuiko's > different markings. But now I'm wondering if the lens shown in the > above link is the _actual_ lens they used for the test, or just a > generic picture? Anyway, as you already said, the presence or not of > multicoating should have no effect at all on Chromatic Aberration. > > Cheers, -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 17:41:57 2009 Received: (qmail 21944 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 15:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 15:41:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2E2E182B2 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159A6E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A0134AC030 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:41:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B08B34AC062 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:41:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so825747bwz.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:41:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.59.73 with SMTP id k9mr2020603bkh.167.1247240508055; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:41:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A574781.9010909@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A574781.9010909@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:41:46 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 66d0ab76b74fd969 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 17:41:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57614554552439112457 > > I couldn't see the flare either until I blocked the light from the > window. Although the window faces north the early morning summer sun is > still pretty bright. As soon as I blocked the glare the weak flare was > clearly visible in the black area above the petals. > This particular slide is representative of a worse-case. I don't know how it could be any more extreme. So, it should be a good representation of what the Nikon scanners are capable of. Honestly, I was very surprised when I did the DDE/ROC scan because it pulled out stuff that I couldn't see with the loupe, even over a bright light-source. Also, it points out something else--just how good the NikonScan software really is. This is with absolutely no curves or saturation boost. The coloring of the slide is slightly more saturated, though. I generally do a bit of saturation increase and a touch of curves to clear out the overall haze effect common with all digitization. It's hard, if not impossible to see in the on-line versions--even though I attempted to show it, but VueScan's multi-exposure mode did not only bring out more detail in the shadows, but provided a touch more resiliancy to "solarization" at the extremes. If you have a slide with deep dark shadows and you want to pull everything out that you can, you have two choices: ICE4 which has DDE/ROC can be used to pull out quite a bit--if it exists, you can get it. It does overscan to accomplish it, not just does shadow/highlight recovery in post processing. But Nikon only equipped the V/5000/9000 series scannes with ICE4. To accomplish a similar function, you can use the multi-exposure mode in VueScan to pull additional details out and boost the curve slightly so it writes the file with maximum shadow detail. Another option for extremely difficult slides is to do two scans--one at the normal exposure and the other with the scanner exposure cranked up a couple of stops. This is NOT the same as curves adjustment in the scanner software, this is the base gain exposure. In VueScan this is found in the first tab, in NikonScan, on the Tools Palette, it's near the bottom in the "Analog Gain" section. Take the two scans and then do a standard HDR like combine. After all, this is all that VueScan and NikonScan are doing automatically with Multi-Exposure and DDE. On a side-note, this slide was a horizontal version of a vertical shot which made it on a magazine cover as well as a marketing flyer for a state park in which it was shot. It was one of my better sellers in the art-print market. I went to scan it again, but the last time it was used, the person who drum scanned it damaged the slide with a rub-through on the back side of the polyester base. Nothing that couldn't be fixed in post, but I didn't want to jump through those hoops for a demonstration. Normally, I aged my Fujichrome 50, but this shot was from 50-roll brick which didn't achieve proper aging for another six months. Hence the slight coolness. Aged F50 was almost a dead knockoff for Velvia 50. For all publications and printings, we boosted the warmth and saturation, as well as overall exposure of the mid-tones to get the leaves to stand out a little more. But we also pushed the background down into black. Drove the printer nuts as that magazine cover was mostly solid black and they struggled with full-coverage without streaks. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 17:47:04 2009 Received: (qmail 1173 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 15:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 15:47:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB15EE182E2 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537B3E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3638619EA82 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:46:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574B019EA7E for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:46:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so280697fxm.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:46:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.130.200 with SMTP id 8mr200182hbk.7.1247240816332; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:46:56 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] first one with the 300mm f/4,5 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 17:47:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57627817752439112457 Hi Fernando, Ken, C.H. and all, From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile >I'll try to figure out, and still not awake enough. Beware... that can make everything look hazy ;-) >So, I had been warned on this 'coolscan issue', I remember him telling >what has just told, before buying it _used_(*). Yes, I'm with C.H. on this. >And I'm not >talking about a sharpening artifact Sure it isn't -- this flare, hazy look, ghosting or whatever you call it, is indeed a _softening_ effect, reducing local contrast. >Perhaps, if I had a high quality LCD, I might be able to see this >'contrast issue' of the 4000ED in a small 1280 .jpg. >So far I can only say it is noticeable for me at 100%. I can see it even at small size (161 x 240) >You can find a similar situation in this one, done using the same >scanner, but not done by me: > - Yeah, I remember that -- I was thinking about purchasing a Nikon scanner but discarded it after seing that picture. Reminds me of the 35/2 :-( >I think Ken is talking about something different, and in coincidence of >what Carlos told me off list: Carlos called it 'flare', and Ken 'hazy >look'. On second thought, I would define it as 'ghost image', a bit like those found on second-surface mirrors -- obviously not that on the scanner. >I always >feared there was something wrong with this scanner, so much that I did >clean its mirror, driven by frustration. Can't tell for sure, but I think dust in the mirror, due to relative distance, would be noticed as a general loss of contrast, not such localized effect. >I thought I had got it, but denied so while doing >the first img. because I was disgusted by a red shift in the slightly >outdated Velvia. Yes, red, I like your first upload better. However, that may look a bit greenish now... >When I saw the settings I had used, and looked at the >slide (first time after doing the scan and uploading !!), >I started again from scratch, matching the transilluminated frame Transilluminated... by what source? >I did found a tiny bit of purple chroma where expected to be, but I >won't tell .... What??? Oh, I see... but I don't think it's an "artifact" from the (superb) 300/4.5. I think it's more a scanning/processing artifact. Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 18:05:33 2009 Received: (qmail 10387 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 16:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 16:05:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2940BE182ED for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4519CE24A99 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93F119EB79 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:05:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8DD19EB73 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:05:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31774966.2661247242643680.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-41-18.iburst.co.za ([41.213.41.18]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 349 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:17:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:05:09 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 18:05:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5766cd48075034211378 Hi Ken, I am also a Vuescan user (since yesterday) and I am very very pleased with its ability to produce clean images with great shadow details, even from a lowly Epson V700... Have a look at three of my images: http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs48/f/2009/190/3/e/One_magnolia_at_a_time_by_philosomatographer.jpg http://fc00.deviantart.com/fs48/f/2009/190/4/7/Trio_Canopy_by_philosomatographer.jpg http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs49/f/2009/190/8/7/Recursion_of_misplaced_values_by_philosomatographer.jpg Finally, this image was extremely problematic, a 1 second exposure on Provia 100 which still did not have any shadow details, I did 10x multi-pass scanning in Vuescan and could pull out a lot more than what was visible on the light table (i.e. the woman on the right was not at all visible), without any shadow noise. (man I love pushing film shadows, they are so clean...) http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs49/f/2009/191/9/b/A_lamp_for_friends_by_philosomatographer.jpg Even though I am using an amateur scanner, I am achieving results that, in colour fidelity and in resolution, exceed what I used to achieve with digital, butat much greater effort and cost per-shot (this scanning thing is all new to me). Of course, I don't expect the flatbed to be much good with my 35mm Olympus negatives, but that's what the darkroom is for. It aught to be pretty good with scanned prints though... Will keep you posted. On 10 Jul 2009, at 8:08 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > I just whipped up a quick comparison of a problem slide in the Nikon > Coolscan V-ED. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 18:06:29 2009 Received: (qmail 6682 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 16:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 16:06:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D82E182AD for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5536E24A99 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715C319E701 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:06:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945C819E4E7 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:06:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <17303592.2671247242701933.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from iburst-41-213-41-18.iburst.co.za ([41.213.41.18]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 349 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:18:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:06:13 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Z. 50 1.8 on EP-1--- review X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 18:06:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a576705292211258626592 I just so happen to own a Type 4 :-) And as John said, the last (mostly plastic) version is all-new optics. On 10 Jul 2009, at 3:47 PM, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > Thanks for the reminder. I wasn't aware of the type-4! So, the only > external > difference with the type (the 'miJ') is that type 4 is marked > 'Japan' and > type 5 'made in Japan' at the name ring, am I wrong? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 18:49:08 2009 Received: (qmail 7610 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 16:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 16:49:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778F6E182E2 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73392E24A99 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D9D19ECBC for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:49:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C5319E36E for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:48:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so861427bwz.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:48:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.124.19 with SMTP id s19mr2134168bkr.6.1247244538869; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:48:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <31774966.2661247242643680.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <31774966.2661247242643680.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:48:58 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5fe98bfb57d0c999 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 18:49:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a577104119911946193717 > > I am also a Vuescan user (since yesterday) and I am very very pleased > with its ability to produce clean images with great shadow details, even > from a lowly > Epson V700... > Very nice pictures. Good scans! Welcome to the crowd of users. Keep in mind that Ed updates the program quite frequently, so visit the site periodically to update VueScan. Multi-pass scanning isn't the same as multi-exposure scanning in Vuescan. Those are two separate check-boxes and serve different purposes. The multi-exposure scaning is used to increase the dynamic range of the scanner's digitization process. The multi-pass scanning will smooth out the tones and will diminish the grain somewhat. 10X is probably a bit excessive. I find that anything beyond three is pretty much a lost cause. In VueScan, if you go over to the Color tab, change the Color Balance to "None" and the Black and White Point percents to "0" and the Curve Low to about "0.35" and Curve High to about "0.74". This will flatten out the processing correction pretty much and gives you about the closest thing to a RAW file as you can come. Now, on the Input tab, you can lock exposure. (with the Nikons, you have gain controls over the colors themselves). If you adjust the gain here, with supported scanners, it increases the physical exposure time during the scan. Usually, if you click on the top-menu bar, select "Scanner" then "Calibrate" this will allow the scanner and VueScan to figure things out so you don't have a really off scan, exposure-wise. So, by having the color tab essentially set to the "off" position, and if you are scanning transparancies (slide film) and have the input source set to "Image" not "Film", then you can really control the actual exposure of the scan so it maximizes the dynamic range YOU desire for the given image. One you get really fancy and experienced, you can profile films and the scanner itself by using target charts. But not really necessary unless you name is Moose. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 18:55:19 2009 Received: (qmail 27205 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 16:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 16:55:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A021E182E5 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDB0E24A99 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FF119ED85 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:55:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3350F19ED75 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:55:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08958461515 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:18:59 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <24ABF971-AB31-4E11-8F53-03917B14DAC1@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:55:13 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 18:55:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a577277181299752976205 It works fine for me, Carlos. I accept that Safari 4 seems to stop responding at times, but other than that it's great. Chris On 10 Jul 2009, at 16:24, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: >> >> Windows? Explorer >> 8? If you're on a Mac, Firefox or Safari shouldn't do that to you. > > No; it's Safari 4.0* on OS X 10.4.11 > > Besides this problem (which has no effect on navigation), nothing > wrong with > your website -- and very nice pictures out there! > > Cheers, > > *) Safari 4.0 is, > IMHO, the nastiest PoS I've seen from Apple -- shame I can't get > back to 3.x :-( > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 19:10:52 2009 Received: (qmail 5305 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 17:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 17:10:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6459EE182E2 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5EAE24A99 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA6F34AC078 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:10:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A456C34AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:10:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so324886fxm.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:10:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.129 with SMTP id z1mr2119027bkq.67.1247245843231; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:10:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:10:43 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ab1be6a46abc924f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 19:10:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57761c113662517112723 > > Nevertheless, I would be interested in your assessment of Vuescan and > its output relative to Nikonscan. > NikonScan is actually a very good program. It does an amazing job. In fact, when using strips of film (or entire rolls with the 4000/5000 models), it does a near perfect job of identifying the frames without skewing. VueScan is quite finicky about that. Loading the scanner is a breeze--just insert the end of the roll into the slot and just stand back and watch. If you are scanning a 36-exposure roll in the 4000/5000, go do something else for a while. I prefer NikonScan for most scans, (especially of negative films), but rely on VueScan for the really unusual scan that just doesn't want to work right or is of a grainy film where I can do the multi-pass or multi-exposure scans. My Coolscan V-ED does not natively support multi-sampling (same as multi-pass, except it does the multiple exposures in one pass keeping the image sharper), but the Coolscan 4000 and 5000 does. To make up for this deficiency in the V-ED, VueScan gives us the multi-pass function and combines the image in computer, whereas the 4000 and 5000 may do the combination in-scanner (with NikonScan). The noise-removal algorithms are different. I prefer NikonScan most of the time, but occasionally VueScan will do it better--depending on the fault. NikonScan does scratches better, VueScan does dust-specs about the same. What I really like about NikonScan is that I can scan and process the image within the software for curves, saturation, noise removal (GEM is actually quite good--depending on the film) and sharpening. I can output directly to the finished JPEGs if I want with absolutely no need to open the files up in an editor. The bigger question is which model of Nikon Coolscan to get? Unless your needs are for 120/220 roll film, the choices should be limited to the 4000, 5000 and V-ED. The 4000 and V-ED are the same speed, but the V-ED includes ICE4 whereas the 4000 is ICE3. The 4000 and 5000 take entire rolls of 35mm film by passing the film through a slot in the back of the unit. It uses the same roll feeder as the V-ED, but the V-ED limits the strip length to 6-frames. The 5000 is the fastest of the bunch (at least 2x faster than the V-ED) and has slightly better imaging performance. Slightly. The 4000 and 5000 also take the accessory slide-stack adaptor. Load up a stack of slides and let er rip--and hope it doesn't jam while you are asleep. I bought the V-ED because it seemed like it offered the best performance/price out there and for that I have no doubts. However, I personally should have purchased the 5000 because I've gotten to shooting negatives so much and the speed issue is just that--an issue for me. Whether or not it was worth the extra $500 was something I couldn't justify at the time, but definitely could now. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 19:43:16 2009 Received: (qmail 24853 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 17:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 17:43:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99E3E182E1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0097FE24A99 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD99034AC062 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:43:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5693610001 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:43:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (martin.walters@nrcan-rncan.gc.ca whitelisted) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp4.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.37.16]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:43:09 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:43:06 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test Thread-Index: AcoBgV93Vos7pGSJQbmmvxy07B8VRQAAeNRw References: From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2009 17:43:09.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3711E80:01CA0185] Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 19:43:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a577db4126492013633067 Thanks. I bought the V ED because I couldn't justify nearly double the price for the 5000. Although discountinued, I was lucky to find a store with a new one. I know that I'm limited to one scan at a time, with no automation. I bought the optional film handler as well. I've only started to play with Nikonscan. I've also tended to do all the alterations post-scan in Photoshop. I've only tried a few old slides (Kodochrome 64, Agfa Gaevert) some very old B&W negatives (1964), as well as a couple of FP4 and Portra NC negatives. So, I'm still a rank beginner. I found that the default settings seem to work quite well (comparing to Costco/photo lab scans of the same negatives. ICE works very well. Not working with conventional B&W means a lot of pos-processing to get rid of dust and scratches (especially on the old negs). Such is life. I did buy Noise Ninja which helps with some scans, not with others. Again very limited experience. I suspect that I'll buy Vuescan at some point regardless. Martin -----Original Message----- From: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@zone-10.com] Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:11 PM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test > > Nevertheless, I would be interested in your assessment of Vuescan and > its output relative to Nikonscan. > NikonScan is actually a very good program. It does an amazing job. In fact, when using strips of film (or entire rolls with the 4000/5000 models), it does a near perfect job of identifying the frames without skewing. VueScan is quite finicky about that. Loading the scanner is a breeze--just insert the end of the roll into the slot and just stand back and watch. If you are scanning a 36-exposure roll in the 4000/5000, go do something else for a while. I prefer NikonScan for most scans, (especially of negative films), but rely on VueScan for the really unusual scan that just doesn't want to work right or is of a grainy film where I can do the multi-pass or multi-exposure scans. My Coolscan V-ED does not natively support multi-sampling (same as multi-pass, except it does the multiple exposures in one pass keeping the image sharper), but the Coolscan 4000 and 5000 does. To make up for this deficiency in the V-ED, VueScan gives us the multi-pass function and combines the image in computer, whereas the 4000 and 5000 may do the combination in-scanner (with NikonScan). The noise-removal algorithms are different. I prefer NikonScan most of the time, but occasionally VueScan will do it better--depending on the fault. NikonScan does scratches better, VueScan does dust-specs about the same. What I really like about NikonScan is that I can scan and process the image within the software for curves, saturation, noise removal (GEM is actually quite good--depending on the film) and sharpening. I can output directly to the finished JPEGs if I want with absolutely no need to open the files up in an editor. The bigger question is which model of Nikon Coolscan to get? Unless your needs are for 120/220 roll film, the choices should be limited to the 4000, 5000 and V-ED. The 4000 and V-ED are the same speed, but the V-ED includes ICE4 whereas the 4000 is ICE3. The 4000 and 5000 take entire rolls of 35mm film by passing the film through a slot in the back of the unit. It uses the same roll feeder as the V-ED, but the V-ED limits the strip length to 6-frames. The 5000 is the fastest of the bunch (at least 2x faster than the V-ED) and has slightly better imaging performance. Slightly. The 4000 and 5000 also take the accessory slide-stack adaptor. Load up a stack of slides and let er rip--and hope it doesn't jam while you are asleep. I bought the V-ED because it seemed like it offered the best performance/price out there and for that I have no doubts. However, I personally should have purchased the 5000 because I've gotten to shooting negatives so much and the speed issue is just that--an issue for me. Whether or not it was worth the extra $500 was something I couldn't justify at the time, but definitely could now. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 19:47:36 2009 Received: (qmail 16317 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 17:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 17:47:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDCDEDC00A for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD967E24A99 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEAC34AC070 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:47:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D261E3610001 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:47:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 25 days 22:11:44 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-36-195.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.36.195]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6AHlGHL017769; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:47:16 -0300 Message-ID: <4A577EAE.1090207@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:47:26 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A574781.9010909@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Cc: Ken Norton Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon V-ED scanner and software test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 19:47:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a577eb8170404877110844 Great post and work, Ken. Thank you. Ken Norton wrote: > > To > accomplish a similar function, you can use the multi-exposure mode in > VueScan to pull additional details out and boost the curve slightly so it > writes the file with maximum shadow detail. > I still don't understand VueScan single curve, with values from 0.001 to 0.009, and a black point of 0% white point 0%. I read the instructions some months ago, I'll go through them again. Hope to find the logic of these numbers clear enough, or at least translatable to 0 ~ 255. Oh, and I found I must upgrade from 8.5.05 !!. > Another option for extremely difficult slides is to do two scans--one at the > normal exposure and the other with the scanner exposure cranked up a couple > of stops. This is NOT the same as curves adjustment in the scanner software, > this is the base gain exposure. In VueScan this is found in the first tab, > Ken, this is at File > Input > Multi Exposure, the checkbox which must be checked? > in NikonScan, on the Tools Palette, it's near the bottom in the "Analog > Gain" section. Take the two scans and then do a standard HDR like combine. > So: two scans using either Vuescan or NikonScan? This sounds encouraging: for the first time I will try 'Analog Gain' in my 4000ED. Perhaps I will rescue shadow detail without 'making' colors, like in this one: ---link to 1280, and to view on black. aRGB, and no clipping thanks to sage advice from C.H. :-) > After all, this is all that VueScan and NikonScan are doing automatically > with Multi-Exposure and DDE. > Great ! > Normally, I aged my Fujichrome 50, but this shot was from 50-roll brick > which didn't achieve proper aging for another six months. Hence the slight > coolness. Aged F50 was almost a dead knockoff for Velvia 50. For all > publications and printings, we boosted the warmth and saturation, as well as > overall exposure of the mid-tones to get the leaves to stand out a little > more. But we also pushed the background down into black. Drove the printer > nuts as that magazine cover was mostly solid black and they struggled with > full-coverage without streaks. > > > AG > Amazing ... never heard of that: aging Fujichrome 50. It was rarely sold here, I never saw a roll of it. I think on those years I was using either KM or KR all the time ... like a frequent and faithful reader of Modern Photography magazine would do :-) Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 21:16:43 2009 Received: (qmail 13025 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 19:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 19:16:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577FAEDC03C for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665BFE240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490CC19F110 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:16:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F2719F10C for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:16:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olysimian@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.71]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11971 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 19:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO VAIO) (OlySimian@86.130.12.226 with login) by smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 19:16:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: j4ACPGqswBCZ6a8FWtFlVelrXNdn6.rSJuxsiOXdvNy26nAf8Q-- X-YMail-OSG: n7VfRFcVM1l4sYCV.POB8q2haDhoDQmFnG4dqj1iwx6zpekv4hmYPdEgowyglKGiJbqLzgz6pmPgAhKaSbETFNCSieKjgkrXNMZ7FsL1VHtnD3MKnco0phupSCm7R7Q3HQB1ZYduNrtBiPRFMkqHE693jMibinLKw647czrrRhFk4g0_EvqYe5oEuI9yBuD1PNcObbCxlvZFN9Jtfqd8FtLGSphtWZCcIxoUfQgE_ETSBL.sKnM.Nhxup_A0bBeLnNO51SIYIrVJ6dw1IL9JGsGXn41Nr9ZLTLDEdQpAg4qgZpQ5Myg- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <978DF5385F0D446BA12113B33BC118A8@VAIO> From: "CyberSimian" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy><4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A565BA2.2060608@gmail.com> <4A5672D6.9020701@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:37:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Thanks! [was first one with the 300mm f/4,5] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 21:16:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57939b47233900897491 Moose wrote: > The FS4000 isn't "one-off". It doesn't have slide or roll feeder > available, although I probably wouldn't buy them anyway, at the prices I > recall for the Nikon units. The FS4000 does have a roll feeder for APS film cassettes, and it was included in the original retail package at no extra cost. I have never used mine, so I do not know how it performs (I do not have an APS film camera). -- from CyberSimian in the UK -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 22:01:36 2009 Received: (qmail 22470 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 20:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 20:01:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A1AEDC008 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CA0E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2ED634AC062 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:01:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B456834AC070 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:01:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp03.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp03.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.4]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 194.red-83-40-198.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.40.198.194]:50150 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay03.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.43]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1MPMHY-0007Vn-Bq (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:01:22 +0000 Message-Id: <2B54D11B-7C50-4143-8357-37BCEBE52C56@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion , Picture a Day discussion group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:01:19 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 26: just a quiet week X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 22:01:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a579e2010481744846740 After coming home from Warsaw very late Monday night, the rest of the week was spent working, with little time for photography. This was probably my slowest week of the year so far. Still, now week without a PAW, and at the weekend things got better: http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=263 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 22:03:22 2009 Received: (qmail 14247 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 20:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 20:03:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687B9E182B4 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B2CE240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B839019F2A7 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:03:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094E319F2AE for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:03:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.jazztel.es (smtp02.jazztel.es [62.14.3.171]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [87.222.164.227] (helo=mac-pro-de-david-irisarri.local) by smtp02.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MPMGY-000246-IK for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:00:18 +0200 Message-ID: <4A579E80.10505@mirko2.jazztel.es> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:03:12 +0200 From: David Irisarri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> <4A56E917.7090303@m93.myzen.co.uk> <20090710122249.vofnzhmego0ssw0w@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A572A09.7010201@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 22:03:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a579e8a251451342116753 Ken and Chuck, I don=B4t really know it at 100% but have a look here. http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/ Dcraw has made it far easier for developers to support a wide range of = digital cameras in their applications. They can call dcraw from a = graphical interface, paste pieces of dcraw.c into their code, or just = use dcraw.c as the documentation that camera makers refuse to provide: Adobe Photoshop I have used ACR a lot but also the standalone dcraw executable and = results are quite similar. Early releases of ACR used to render E-1 orf = images with exactly the same color as dcraw. Warmest regards, Dave Ken Norton escribi=F3: >> Sounds highly unlikely to me. Do you have a reliable source for your >> statement that ACR uses DCRAW? >> = > > > This has been circulating around on the Internet and I think it has to do > with one on-line review that the reviewer made a poor assumption about it. > It doesn't even make sense, as Adobe owns converter technologies that > predate DCRAW by quite some time and also bought out probably the finest = raw > converter made to make sure Lightroom wasn't stillborn. > > AG > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 22:24:43 2009 Received: (qmail 12253 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 20:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 20:24:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370C9EDC009 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3726AE240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4831234AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:24:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B6234AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:24:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so957605bwz.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:24:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.129 with SMTP id z1mr2284591bkq.67.1247257475570; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:24:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2B54D11B-7C50-4143-8357-37BCEBE52C56@frozenlight.eu> References: <2B54D11B-7C50-4143-8357-37BCEBE52C56@frozenlight.eu> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:24:35 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 78b59df502207775 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 26: just a quiet week X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 22:24:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57a38b117475683411216 I grew up with a basset hound in the house. Ours was the most stubborn creature known to man. The breeder raised show dogs, but allowed this one to be sold because he knew right away that the temperment was wrong and the lightening-bolt pattern was on the wrong side. As much as I hated that dog (and it me), I have to admit it was a very cool dog and was a great girl magnet. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 23:00:00 2009 Received: (qmail 4286 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 20:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 20:59:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9B1E182B3 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED391E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0394534AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:59:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC5934AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:59:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090710205953866.XLUD24657@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:59:53 +0000 Message-Id: <73A110C0-E5C5-4937-8FB1-FAEEF189B2BB@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:59:53 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 23:00:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57abd0238481006886880 Arg! I hate it when Mac's misfire. Thanx for the kind words. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 10, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > No; it's Safari 4.0* on OS X 10.4.11 > > Besides this problem (which has no effect on navigation), nothing > wrong with > your website -- and very nice pictures out there! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 23:14:51 2009 Received: (qmail 6803 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 21:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 21:14:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4C4E182D9 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EEFE240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFB019F42F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:14:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51C519F434 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:14:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8428 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jul 2009 21:14:42 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jul 2009 21:14:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4A57AF41.9020201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:14:41 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2B54D11B-7C50-4143-8357-37BCEBE52C56@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <2B54D11B-7C50-4143-8357-37BCEBE52C56@frozenlight.eu> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090709-0, 07/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 26: just a quiet week X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 23:14:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57af4b279496107113666 I think the main is the winner this week. It would also make a good ad for Poulaner. :-) Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > After coming home from Warsaw very late Monday night, the rest of the > week was spent working, with little time for photography. This was > probably my slowest week of the year so far. Still, now week without a > PAW, and at the weekend things got better: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk:80/paws/?page_id=263 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 23:16:23 2009 Received: (qmail 27158 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 21:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 21:16:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A237E182AF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C999EE240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E8D34AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:16:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFDE34AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:16:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29410 invoked by uid 502); 10 Jul 2009 21:16:15 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-192-124.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.192.124) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jul 2009 21:16:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4A57AF97.2080901@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:16:07 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> <4A56E917.7090303@m93.myzen.co.uk> <20090710122249.vofnzhmego0ssw0w@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A572A09.7010201@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 23:16:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57afa7196572013633067 Ken Norton wrote: >> Sounds highly unlikely to me. Do you have a reliable source for your statement that ACR uses DCRAW? >> > > This has been circulating around on the Internet and I think it has to do with one on-line review that the reviewer made a poor assumption about it. It doesn't even make sense, as Adobe owns converter technologies that predate DCRAW by quite some time and also bought out probably the finest raw converter made to make sure Lightroom wasn't stillborn. > I'm pretty sure that at least early on, ACR did indeed use a part of dcraw. Possibly not the case more recently. There's some confusion about the use of dcraw in other products. As I understand it, dcraw has three basic parts. 1. Magic decoder rings to extract the RAW data from the camera files and put it in a standard format. Remember, many RAW files are losslessly compressed and makers are free to use whatever coding and compression scheme they choose. 2. Demosaicing algorithms to interpolate Bayer mosaic color data into individual RGB data channels for each sensor site. 3. Algorithms to manipulate the RGB data for gamma, color space, highlight recovery, etc. Since Dave posts the source and gives free license to use it, developers are free to pick and choose what parts of his code to use, alter or replace. Some folks have simply put GUI faces on the otherwise command line only dcraw. Others, like RawTherapee, use only the decoder rings, and roll their own from there. It's a solution that makes a lot of sense, and, I believe, how dcraw was, maybe still is(?) used by ACR for some cameras. Especially useful for those, like me, that use RAW files not supported by the camera makers or ACR, like the CHDK versions from Canons. The major makers used to provide Software Development Kits, libraries of compiled routines and the calls to use them, for those who wanted to work with their RAW files. I haven't kept up, but they may still do so. I assume apps like ACR might use at least the decoder rings from those SDK that are available. Canon, for one, even offers Winders add-ons that allow viewing thumbnails for their RAW files in Explorer. Quite useful. Moose Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 23:21:31 2009 Received: (qmail 12453 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 21:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 21:21:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D82E182CB for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3866DE240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4100719F46B for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:21:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953CD19F40E for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:21:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13776 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jul 2009 21:21:24 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jul 2009 21:21:24 -0000 Message-ID: <4A57B0D3.3090506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:21:23 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> <4A56E917.7090303@m93.myzen.co.uk> <20090710122249.vofnzhmego0ssw0w@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A572A09.7010201@chucknorcutt.com> <4A579E80.10505@mirko2.jazztel.es> In-Reply-To: <4A579E80.10505@mirko2.jazztel.es> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090709-0, 07/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 23:21:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57b0db171091560218263 I don't know what the point of the link is. Not far down the page he = lists 55 other products (including PhotoShop) that he calls "Other Raw = Photo Decoders". I don't see a claim anywhere that these applications = use his code. Chuck Norcutt David Irisarri wrote: > Ken and Chuck, > = > I don=B4t really know it at 100% but have a look here. > = > http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/ > = > Dcraw has made it far easier for developers to support a wide range of = > digital cameras in their applications. They can call dcraw from a = > graphical interface, paste pieces of dcraw.c into their code, or just = > use dcraw.c as the documentation that camera makers refuse to provide: > = > Adobe Photoshop > = > I have used ACR a lot but also the standalone dcraw executable and = > results are quite similar. Early releases of ACR used to render E-1 orf = > images with exactly the same color as dcraw. > = > Warmest regards, > = > Dave > = > = > = > = > = > Ken Norton escribi=F3: >>> Sounds highly unlikely to me. Do you have a reliable source for your >>> statement that ACR uses DCRAW? >>> = >> >> This has been circulating around on the Internet and I think it has to do >> with one on-line review that the reviewer made a poor assumption about i= t. >> It doesn't even make sense, as Adobe owns converter technologies that >> predate DCRAW by quite some time and also bought out probably the finest= raw >> converter made to make sure Lightroom wasn't stillborn. >> >> AG >> = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 23:23:12 2009 Received: (qmail 8409 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 21:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 21:23:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FACE182C7 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C09BE240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3040019F488 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:23:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FDB19F46B for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:23:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.9]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 55120 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2009 21:23:03 -0000 Message-ID: <673135.53169.qm@web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wDSPZgQVM1mTlYySYypdjC9fimGQbXp4HhBdl14VImvPLX9oJTWlxx6ULu5zFpUhfZAd4FHhphxstnNIKTr16kjxGvTA2O5nAdvgzyVWC_ppaIrEg96j82PK.N7yLlFbO5D5TiPG2t0B.kcVvKj8qBbsP7TVq2vBpaRxmnR11E8bN0N8YLudejwJ42tQvAIXJ0shTTIUcWhnx2AN_cQJh_WSHoOP.3OfenIBCXFrQSwhy8C1gYHq8y7O1QboNOGWu1CoTRBmvfybPOPkLSLwvfsj3uzpw9Gbw3TIGtCqnaTFZm42imrNYGDEiSmHfVjXCgaM4DJBTnPXwFyPUGUvjzO0UAZl09FcPxkVQg-- Received: from [86.156.60.228] by web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:23:03 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:23:03 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 23:23:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57b140324616107113666 Have an OM3...but will not part with it ;-) Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK .......................................................................... --- On Fri, 10/7/09, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > From: Carlos J. Santisteban > Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti > To: olympus@thomasclausen.net > Date: Friday, 10 July, 2009, 3:57 PM > Hi Ken and all, > > > > From: Ken Norton > > > Yes, it's a shame for me -- that prevents the use > of an OM body + Winder > > > for > > > an automated meteor shower recorder :-( > > > > > > > OM-1md, OM-1n, OM-3, OM-3Ti. > > > Nope. Just checked my bodies... I no longer have my OM-4, > and never > had a 3, but the 2SP @ B + winder does ZERO exposure -- > and the same at the red 1/60. > > As John H. noted, the OM-2 / 2n @ B + winder makes a short > (about 1/500) > exposure. My OM-1n (and the 2 / 2n's with good batteries > in) does a somewhat > longer exposure, I would say around 1/60. Definitely not B, > though. > > Whay I would need for the task is some electro-mechanical > device (a > solenoid?) screwed into the shutter release thread (just > like a classic > cable release) which actually presses the shutter release > for the specified > time, then looses it, after a prudential time sends a pulse > to the remote > connector of the Winder (does it have one?) and, after a > safe time for > winding, starts depressing the release again... way beyond > my abilities :-( > > Cheers, > -- > Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas > IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 23:27:12 2009 Received: (qmail 23492 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 21:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 21:27:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E782E182E7 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E806E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D7D19F499 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:27:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9585E19F48F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:27:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-d06.mx.aol.com (imr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.159.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a57b20629e; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:26:30 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c0c.62301b90 (34899) for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.155]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA018-d41b4a57b1f9f1; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:26:24 -0400 Received: from webmail-db06 (webmail-db06.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.71]) by smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD021-d41b4a57b1f9f1; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:26:17 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:26:17 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.139 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43735-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.71) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:26:17 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBCFBC32061BF3-14D4-12E8@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 26: just a quiet week X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 23:27:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57b23078081413256596 I see they feature some beers with some formidible ethanol content (Duvel 8.5% ABV, DT same). DT was awarded "best beer in the world" in the world championship in Chicago in 1998. It has been spotted on tap in Boston IIRC, though I have never seen it. Not sure why they bothered with Bud. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 23:33:51 2009 Received: (qmail 26269 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 21:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 21:33:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBE2E18228 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2784E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38C319F4C4 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:33:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D2719F4C0 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:33:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so984088bwz.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:33:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.124.19 with SMTP id s19mr2378843bkr.6.1247261624096; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:33:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <673135.53169.qm@web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <673135.53169.qm@web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:33:44 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 56e65b86098c270d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 23:33:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57b3bf236621220213263 > > Have an OM3...but will not part with it ;-) > LOL, Another till death do we part camera-owner relationships. Strange how modern DSLRs that do everything but wash the dishes can't get that kind of bond... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 23:36:07 2009 Received: (qmail 14014 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 21:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 21:36:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747D7E182D9 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04A3E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA85B34AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:36:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30EBF34AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:36:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22603 invoked by uid 502); 10 Jul 2009 21:36:00 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-192-124.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) 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I hate it when Mac's misfire. Thanx for the kind words. > Looks like this on Safari 4 under Vista. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 23:43:05 2009 Received: (qmail 30326 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 21:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 21:43:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267C5E182DB for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65554E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640E134AC030 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:43:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDE634AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:42:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30697 invoked by uid 502); 10 Jul 2009 21:42:59 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-192-124.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.192.124) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jul 2009 21:42:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4A57B5DF.8000800@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:42:55 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> <4A56E917.7090303@m93.myzen.co.uk> <20090710122249.vofnzhmego0ssw0w@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A572A09.7010201@chucknorcutt.com> <4A579E80.10505@mirko2.jazztel.es> <4A57B0D3.3090506@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A57B0D3.3090506@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 23:43:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57b5e9119715683411216 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I don't know what the point of the link is. Not far down the page he lists 55 other products (including PhotoShop) that he calls "Other Raw Photo Decoders". I don't see a claim anywhere that these applications use his code. > Read the whole thing. ---------------------------------------------------------- "Other Raw Photo Decoders Dcraw has made it far easier for developers to support a wide range of digital cameras in their applications. They can call dcraw from a graphical interface, paste pieces of dcraw.c into their code, or just use dcraw.c as the documentation that camera makers refuse to provide: " ---------------------------------------------------------- Dave's a software developer, not a writer. The implication in the above is that the products that follow use some part of dcraw - note the full colon at the end of the intro pp. Many of these apps freely say they use dcraw. As: ---------------------------------------------------------- RawTherapee V2.4 Release Candidate 2 March 13, 2009 The following fixes/additions have been made since the last release candidate: * dcraw update to 8.93/1.421 * .... Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 23:46:37 2009 Received: (qmail 18271 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 21:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 21:46:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713C0E182B0 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0391E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D079834AC030 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:46:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E1034AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:46:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1966 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jul 2009 21:46:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jul 2009 21:46:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4A57B6B5.5050407@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:46:29 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> <4A56E917.7090303@m93.myzen.co.uk> <20090710122249.vofnzhmego0ssw0w@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A572A09.7010201@chucknorcutt.com> <4A579E80.10505@mirko2.jazztel.es> <4A57B0D3.3090506@chucknorcutt.com> <4A57B5DF.8000800@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A57B5DF.8000800@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090709-0, 07/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 23:46:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57b6bd289321136683642 I did read the entire thing and did not draw the same conclusion. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I don't know what the point of the link is. Not far down the page he lists 55 other products (including PhotoShop) that he calls "Other Raw Photo Decoders". I don't see a claim anywhere that these applications use his code. >> > > Read the whole thing. > ---------------------------------------------------------- > "Other Raw Photo Decoders > Dcraw has made it far easier for developers to support a wide range of > digital cameras in their applications. They can call dcraw from a > graphical interface, paste pieces of dcraw.c into their code, or just > use dcraw.c as the documentation that camera makers refuse to provide: " > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Dave's a software developer, not a writer. The implication in the above > is that the products that follow use some part of dcraw - note the full > colon at the end of the intro pp. Many of these apps freely say they use > dcraw. As: > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RawTherapee V2.4 Release Candidate 2 > March 13, 2009 > The following fixes/additions have been made since the last release > candidate: > > * dcraw update to 8.93/1.421 > * .... > > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Jul 10 23:50:16 2009 Received: (qmail 26123 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 21:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 21:50:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A9DE18228 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA79E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC4719F30E for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:50:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC46419F504 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:50:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so989593bwz.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:50:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.79.20 with SMTP id n20mr2342128bkk.78.1247262604808; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:50:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A57B6B5.5050407@chucknorcutt.com> References: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> <4A56E917.7090303@m93.myzen.co.uk> <20090710122249.vofnzhmego0ssw0w@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A572A09.7010201@chucknorcutt.com> <4A579E80.10505@mirko2.jazztel.es> <4A57B0D3.3090506@chucknorcutt.com> <4A57B5DF.8000800@gmail.com> <4A57B6B5.5050407@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:50:04 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 98cf05e3fec228b7 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Jul 10 23:50:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57b797270511612113968 > > I did read the entire thing and did not draw the same conclusion. > Nor does it explain the absence of PWP from the list. Maybe it's listed under the developer's name or something. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 00:04:29 2009 Received: (qmail 10086 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 22:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 22:04:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BDDE182DB for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5832E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20E134AC07A for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:04:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354E334AC070 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:04:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 26 days 02:28:39 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-36-195.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.36.195]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6AM4BRd004336 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:04:12 -0300 Message-ID: <4A57BAE7.202@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:04:23 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 00:04:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57baed168141220213263 Carlos, If I understtod well enough, this would be the orthodox and expensive device you may be looking for. IIRC, not long ago someone here was asking if anyone would be interested. But there should be an inexpensive, albeit rare device ... it must be somewhere around me ... ;-) Fernando. Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > > Whay I would need for the task is some electro-mechanical device (a > solenoid?) screwed into the shutter release thread (just like a classic > cable release) which actually presses the shutter release for the specified > time, then looses it, after a prudential time sends a pulse to the remote > connector of the Winder (does it have one?) and, after a safe time for > winding, starts depressing the release again... way beyond my abilities :-( > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 00:13:21 2009 Received: (qmail 1296 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 22:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 22:13:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC21EDC00E for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F56E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362BD34AC030 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:13:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B040534AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:13:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21588 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jul 2009 22:13:13 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jul 2009 22:13:13 -0000 Message-ID: <4A57BCF9.4040300@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:13:13 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> <4A56E917.7090303@m93.myzen.co.uk> <20090710122249.vofnzhmego0ssw0w@webmail.jazznet.es> <4A572A09.7010201@chucknorcutt.com> <4A579E80.10505@mirko2.jazztel.es> <4A57B0D3.3090506@chucknorcutt.com> <4A57B5DF.8000800@gmail.com> <4A57B6B5.5050407@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090710-0, 07/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 00:13:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57bd0177475683411216 If you read the usage restrictions on dcraw it says "Unless otherwise noted in the source code, these programs are free for all uses, although I would like to receive credit for them." PhotoShop has eight pages of copyrights, patents and acknowledgments and neither dcraw nor Coffin's name is listed there. If you do a search for dcraw on Adobe's web site the only hits you get are about things that dcraw does that ACR doesn't or doesn't do as well. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> I did read the entire thing and did not draw the same conclusion. >> > > Nor does it explain the absence of PWP from the list. Maybe it's listed > under the developer's name or something. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 00:16:25 2009 Received: (qmail 32731 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 22:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 22:16:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42663EDC031 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1609E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6EC19F5BE for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:16:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F43A19F4CA for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:16:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23880 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jul 2009 22:16:19 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090710-0, 07/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 00:16:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57bdb9252745368819438 You need a Mynolta A1. (built-in intervalometer) Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Carlos, If I understtod well enough, this would be the orthodox and > expensive device you may be looking for. > > > IIRC, not long ago someone here was asking if anyone would be interested. > > But there should be an inexpensive, albeit rare device ... it must be > somewhere around me ... > > ;-) > > Fernando. > > Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: >> Whay I would need for the task is some electro-mechanical device (a >> solenoid?) screwed into the shutter release thread (just like a classic >> cable release) which actually presses the shutter release for the specified >> time, then looses it, after a prudential time sends a pulse to the remote >> connector of the Winder (does it have one?) and, after a safe time for >> winding, starts depressing the release again... way beyond my abilities :-( >> >> > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 00:19:57 2009 Received: (qmail 3041 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 22:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 22:19:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD9DEDC021 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B41E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF0C19F5EC for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:19:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CF919F5E5 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:19:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so998960bwz.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:19:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.124.19 with SMTP id s19mr2418235bkr.6.1247264389160; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:19:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A57BDB2.1010703@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A57BAE7.202@adinet.com.uy> <4A57BDB2.1010703@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:19:49 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7f745d7f4d14f822 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 00:19:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57be8d119001234514069 > > You need a Mynolta A1. (built-in intervalometer) > You missed the part about "astro-photography". The A1's sensor would be good for, oh, maybe 1/30 of a second. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 00:36:20 2009 Received: (qmail 20058 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2009 22:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 22:36:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9D5E182B8 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A371E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065BC19F60C for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:36:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825BB19F610 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:36:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4945 invoked by uid 504); 10 Jul 2009 22:36:11 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 10 Jul 2009 22:36:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4A57C25A.4030501@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:36:10 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A57BAE7.202@adinet.com.uy> <4A57BDB2.1010703@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090710-0, 07/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 00:36:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57c26483109730998309 Well, you have a point there. Do you think Mynolta will ever release a film back for it. :-) Have we been down this road before? Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> You need a Mynolta A1. (built-in intervalometer) >> > > > You missed the part about "astro-photography". The A1's sensor would be > good for, oh, maybe 1/30 of a second. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 02:08:25 2009 Received: (qmail 11166 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 00:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 00:08:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581B0E182E3 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C881E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DB319F6F4 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:08:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F1619F6F3 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:08:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.25]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.218] (218.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.218]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C073DAE0F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:08:16 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:08:19 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090710-0, 10/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 02:08:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57d7f921041744846740 Thank you all for helping me focus my mind and consider, about the DZ 50/2. I went to this site http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/olympus _50_2_o20 and downloaded three of the big images taken with it. Maybe they didn't use a tripod; - whatever. I found they benefited significantly from sharpening,and I found myself thinking about close-up images I have taken using the E-1 with the Zuiko 100/2 ( focuses down to 70cm) and the Zuiko 50/3.5.) I don't know that the DZ 50/2 is all that much better in practice. Surely they will hit the second-hand market place again. Considering that I hope to have an Obsession 617 in my hands some time before next Christmas, I might just keep my scarce $650NZ until then. Thanks for all your input. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 03:02:10 2009 Received: (qmail 29730 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 01:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 01:02:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63D8E182B4 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46073E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6B634AC030 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:02:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B908034AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:02:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13108 invoked by uid 502); 11 Jul 2009 01:02:02 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-195-49.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.195.49) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Jul 2009 01:02:02 -0000 Message-ID: <4A57E485.9080507@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:01:57 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A544728.1000400@adinet.com.uy> <4A551742.3070305@adinet.com.uy> <4A5557CE.80703@adinet.com.uy><4A556612.4080808@adinet.com.uy> <92DD5169321A4DF2B4D364FFBF115F6F@MAIN> <4A55C7EC.5080502@chucknorcutt.com> <4A565BA2.2060608@gmail.com> <4A5672D6.9020701@gmail.com> <978DF5385F0D446BA12113B33BC118A8@VAIO> In-Reply-To: <978DF5385F0D446BA12113B33BC118A8@VAIO> Subject: Re: [OM] Thanks! [was first one with the 300mm f/4,5] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 03:02:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57e492306151946193717 CyberSimian wrote: > Moose wrote: > >> The FS4000 isn't "one-off". It doesn't have slide or roll feeder available, although I probably wouldn't buy them anyway, at the prices I recall for the Nikon units. >> > > The FS4000 does have a roll feeder for APS film cassettes, and it was included in the original retail package at no extra cost. I have never used mine, so I do not know how it performs (I do not have an APS film camera). > I didn't mention that, as APS is so obscure/uncommon. I have, in fact used the APS cassette and it worked flawlessly, automatically scanning a roll at a time. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 03:47:59 2009 Received: (qmail 4762 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 01:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 01:47:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE089EDC035 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672C1E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1FD34AC062 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:47:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891A334AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:47:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13865 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jul 2009 01:47:50 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Jul 2009 01:47:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:47:49 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090710-0, 07/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 03:47:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57ef4f89891234514069 Not so long ago Olympus was talking about a planned 12 MP maximum for the 4/3 sensor. If you read the test of the DZ 50/2 you can see exactly where the 12 MP maximum comes from. At f/4.5 the lens is resolving 1500 line pairs vertically toward the outside and about 1600 dead center. Come off f/4.5 though and resolution starts to drop. A 4/3 sensor that can resolve 1500 line pairs vertically has pixel dimensions of 3000 x 4000 or... 12 MP. Since the DZ 50/2 must be one of the better lenses, if it can't go beyond 12 MP it doesn't make much sense to go to even smaller pixels. The same is true in the Canyon camp. I suspect that there are precious few lenses that can resolve the 15 MP of the 50D sensor and the same holds for the 21 MP sensor of the 5D Mk II (although the 50/1.4 can do it across the full sensor at f/5.6-f/8 but not above or below that). So, the sensors are now outresolving the lenses and even the best lenses. I guess we don't need any more pixels... but that won't prevent the manufacturers from giving us more. :-) Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > Thank you all for helping me focus my mind and consider, about the DZ > 50/2. > > I went to this site > > http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/olympus _50_2_o20 > > and downloaded three of the big images taken with it. Maybe they didn't use > a tripod; - whatever. > > I found they benefited significantly from sharpening,and I found myself > thinking about close-up images I have taken using the E-1 with the Zuiko > 100/2 ( focuses down to 70cm) and the Zuiko 50/3.5.) > > I don't know that the DZ 50/2 is all that much better in practice. Surely they > will hit the second-hand market place again. > > Considering that I hope to have an Obsession 617 in my hands some time > before next Christmas, I might just keep my scarce $650NZ until then. > > Thanks for all your input. > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 04:36:51 2009 Received: (qmail 3833 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 02:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 02:36:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA39E182B1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6048DE240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A681CD488 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:36:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 3.828 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.828 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32D71CD485 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:36:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 26 days 07:00:59 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-31-9.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.31.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6B2aYmm018637 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:36:35 -0300 Message-ID: <4A57FAB2.6000509@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:36:34 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A57BAE7.202@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4A57BAE7.202@adinet.com.uy> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 04:36:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a57fac3322622517112723 http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3708012765/sizes/o/ What about this one? Ever seen one of this? Works flawlessly on the Winder2, both Auto and Manual (didn't try B, but = it should). I'm sorry I cannot part with it. :-( Fires continuously for 10 seconds, at whatever speed, Auto or Manual - = 10 seconds after pressing its red button. Fernando Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Carlos, If I understtod well enough, this would be the orthodox and = > expensive device you may be looking for. > > > IIRC, not long ago someone here was asking if anyone would be interested. > > But there should be an inexpensive, albeit rare device ... it must be = > somewhere around me ... > > ;-) > > Fernando. > > Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > = >> Whay I would need for the task is some electro-mechanical device (a >> solenoid?) screwed into the shutter release thread (just like a classic >> cable release) which actually presses the shutter release for the specif= ied >> time, then looses it, after a prudential time sends a pulse to the remote >> connector of the Winder (does it have one?) and, after a safe time for >> winding, starts depressing the release again... way beyond my abilities = :-( >> >> = >> = > > > > = -- = Dr. Fernando Gonz=E1lez Gentile M.D. Av.L.P.Ponce 1526B - 11600 Montevideo, Uruguay. Phone: +598 2 7084858 Fax: +598 2 7087396 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 05:30:51 2009 Received: (qmail 20039 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 03:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 03:30:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B737E182B5 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D8EE240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A808A1CD492 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:30:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 2.057 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.057 required=7 tests=[FU_COMMON_SUBS2=2.057, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BE61CD485 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:30:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so1060912bwz.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:30:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.64.196 with SMTP id f4mr2511850bki.151.1247283038930; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:30:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A57FAB2.6000509@adinet.com.uy> References: <4A57BAE7.202@adinet.com.uy> <4A57FAB2.6000509@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:30:38 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: df848de49f865718 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 05:30:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a58076b241511946193717 Well, there are two functions that need to happen. On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile < fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy> wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fernando_gonzalez_gentile/3708012765/sizes/o/ > > What about this one? Ever seen one of this? > Works flawlessly on the Winder2, both Auto and Manual (didn't try B, but > it should). > I'm sorry I cannot part with it. :-( > > Fires continuously for 10 seconds, at whatever speed, Auto or Manual - > 10 seconds after pressing its red button. > > Fernando > > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > Carlos, If I understtod well enough, this would be the orthodox and > > expensive device you may be looking for. > > < > http://olympus.dementia.org/eSIF/om-sif/motordrivegroup/remote_controller= .htm > > > > > > IIRC, not long ago someone here was asking if anyone would be intereste= d. > > > > But there should be an inexpensive, albeit rare device ... it must be > > somewhere around me ... > > > > ;-) > > > > Fernando. > > > > Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > > > >> Whay I would need for the task is some electro-mechanical device (a > >> solenoid?) screwed into the shutter release thread (just like a classic > >> cable release) which actually presses the shutter release for the > specified > >> time, then looses it, after a prudential time sends a pulse to the > remote > >> connector of the Winder (does it have one?) and, after a safe time for > >> winding, starts depressing the release again... way beyond my abilities > :-( > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dr. Fernando Gonz=E1lez Gentile M.D. > Av.L.P.Ponce 1526B - 11600 Montevideo, Uruguay. > Phone: +598 2 7084858 > Fax: +598 2 7087396 > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 05:33:29 2009 Received: (qmail 12674 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 03:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 03:33:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEB4E18255 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A774E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507C319FAB3 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:33:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906E319FAA8 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:33:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so514673fxm.14 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:33:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.59.73 with SMTP id k9mr2577325bkh.167.1247283203316; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:33:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A57BAE7.202@adinet.com.uy> <4A57FAB2.6000509@adinet.com.uy> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:33:23 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 96406a9feac9034c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 05:33:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a580809179121744846740 Well, there are three functions that need to happen. 1. The pressing of the shutter release and HOLDING it down. Bulb exposures do not work when pressing and holding the electronic release on thw winder or motordrives. 2. The eventual release of the shutter release. 3. Film advance. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 07:53:31 2009 Received: (qmail 16270 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 05:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 05:53:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAD6E182D1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0915DE240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18E03618001 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:53:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4423E34AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:53:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3358FC9725 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:20:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A57B43C.2060001@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:53:21 +0100 References: <73A110C0-E5C5-4937-8FB1-FAEEF189B2BB@roadrunner.com> <4A57B43C.2060001@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 07:53:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5828db25372013633067 Very interesting! But I hate it when we can't blame ghastly IE :-) It looks like a misload, but I have never had that with Safari. It works fine in Safari, Firefox, Opera and OmniWeb on my machine. Chris On 10 Jul 2009, at 22:35, Moose wrote: > Bob Whitmire wrote: >> Arg! I hate it when Mac's misfire. Thanx for the kind words. >> > > Looks like this on Safari 4 under Vista. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 08:02:41 2009 Received: (qmail 9710 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 06:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 06:02:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F89E181B1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1514FE240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE0319FADB for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:02:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DFF19FACD for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:02:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD897C9725 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:30:06 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:02:34 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 08:02:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a582b0132461220213263 Chaps We spent last week in the southwest of England on a short break near Dartmoor (pics to follow), but really to visit our new granddaughter. I thought that some of you might like to be reminded of how small a small person can be, a week old. http://bit.ly/unnQt Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 08:05:34 2009 Received: (qmail 13500 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 06:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 06:05:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B9AE182B0 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA908E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2C91CD490 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:05:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FAA19DC62 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:05:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4058BC9717 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:32:59 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A57AF41.9020201@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:05:27 +0100 References: <2B54D11B-7C50-4143-8357-37BCEBE52C56@frozenlight.eu> <4A57AF41.9020201@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 26: just a quiet week X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 08:05:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a582bae265001136683642 I agree, and yes, Paulaner seems to have a fair old hold in Poland, Nathan. I do like the beer (of course, I have a case of Paulaner Weissbier in my porch at the moment), but it would be nice to have different beers advertised. Thanks for the tour, as always ... Chris On 10 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I think the main is the winner this week. It would also make a good > ad > for Poulaner. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 08:18:40 2009 Received: (qmail 21563 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 06:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 06:18:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234B2E1822E for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3113EE240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8901CD493 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:18:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3AF01CD492 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:18:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 26 days 10:42:51 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-31-9.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.31.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6B6INEx029684 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:18:24 -0300 Message-ID: <4A582EAF.2040707@adinet.com.uy> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:18:23 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A57BAE7.202@adinet.com.uy> <4A57FAB2.6000509@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 08:18:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a582ec0207671234514069 Tried it on Bulb, Ken - a burst of shots during 10 sec. That is: no B. Of course, it does release the shutter and the film advance mechanism moves. But on a dark night, iso 400 film, on Auto mode it will keep long exposures ... 2' is a rather long exposure, maybe enough maybe not. Fernando. Ken Norton wrote: > Well, there are three functions that need to happen. > 1. The pressing of the shutter release and HOLDING it down. Bulb exposures > do not work when pressing and holding the electronic release on thw winder > or motordrives. > 2. The eventual release of the shutter release. > 3. Film advance. > > AG > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 08:23:38 2009 Received: (qmail 25498 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 06:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 06:23:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D56E182B4 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACA1E240DF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9503434AC02F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:23:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F46C34AC029 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:23:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp00.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp00.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 53.red-88-26-166.staticip.rima-tde.net ([88.26.166.53]:49163 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay00.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.40]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1MPVzd-0006zm-09 (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:23:29 +0000 Message-Id: <8F65F798-78B7-4735-94D7-F6CA3B08AE2A@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CBCFBC32061BF3-14D4-12E8@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:23:28 +0200 References: <8CBCFBC32061BF3-14D4-12E8@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 26: just a quiet week X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 08:23:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a582fea80501950411718 Thanks Mike. I fully agree with the assessment of Delirium. In fact, as I write this, I am wearing a Delirium Tremens shirt :-) I fell in love with it when I lived in Belgium. The (fake) Budweiser is for English tourists, the UK is the only country outside the US where anybody drinks it. The one just below, Budejovickie, is the real Budvar. Cheers :-) Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Jul 10, 2009, at 11:26 PM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > I see they feature some beers with some formidible ethanol content > (Duvel 8.5% ABV, DT same). DT was awarded "best beer in the world" > in > the world championship in Chicago in 1998. It has been spotted on tap > in Boston IIRC, though I have never seen it. Not sure why they > bothered with Bud. > Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 09:39:14 2009 Received: (qmail 31597 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 07:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 07:39:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10347EDC022 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE9EE240DF for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB7819DC0F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:39:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB5219DBDC for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:39:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.25]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.58.217] (217.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.217]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837943DA000 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:39:02 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:39:01 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A58EA55.23274.25458BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090710-0, 10/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] ( OM ) Off-topic ... ... wines X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 09:39:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5841a225871073733319 A couple of days ago Wayne of Melbourne asked about wine preferences. Now that I have become a good vintage myself, I reckon I can pick a good vintage when I fall into one ... And ( no surprise here ) I'm not prepared to pay a lot. I greatly prefer reds, and of those, Australian reds. Not being very patriotic about the NZ reds - but I'm paying, and I'm drinking - they don't get enough degree days to suit my taste. FWIW, I reckon Pinot noir tastes like mud ... I prefer Shiraz, Merlot, and Cabernet sauvignon. My favourite tipple at the moment is OBiKWA from Western State, South Africa. Sold as a loss leader at several local supermarkets for about $6 a bottle. It is really nice ... Australian wines; Jackman Ridge is great and can be got for $7 a bottle if you are lucky. For a tad more Banrock estate is OK. Jacob's Creek good but costs more again. Queen Adelaide I will not touch; usually is not quite right. Nobilo's on special not all that wonderful. OK but could be better. Sentura from S E Australia is very nice - I think it is a House blend. My 2 cents Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 11:52:44 2009 Received: (qmail 25402 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 09:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 09:52:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FE9E182E2 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA22E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DB819DFF5 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:52:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7EC19E014 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:52:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ogreve@millennics.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp-1.concepts.nl (smtp-1.concepts.nl [213.197.30.124]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 5571ff42.ftth.concepts.nl ([85.113.255.66] helo=[192.168.1.108]) by smtp-1.concepts.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MPZFw-0005Bm-1C for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:52:32 +0200 Message-Id: <7389E076-1E43-46C8-B6ED-186E3AF4E43B@millennics.com> From: Olaf Greve To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A19E535.22596.266284D@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:52:27 +0200 References: <4A19E535.22596.266284D@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Concepts-MailScanner-Information: Please contact abuse@concepts.nl for more information X-Concepts-MailScanner-ID: 1MPZFw-0005Bm-1C X-Concepts-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Concepts-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Concepts-MailScanner-From: ogreve@millennics.com Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) TOPE (38 and 39) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 11:52:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5860ec237705368819438 Hi Guys, Well, I've had just about some 10 million things that hit me before having to dash out of here on my holiday, so I didn't get much around to e-mails anymore, let alone to launching TOPE 38...:( During my absence, for urgent matters, you can write me at ogreve -a t- hotmail - d o t - com and from time to time I shall read that account. I'm back on August 6th, and shall have more time then to properly answer e-mails, and to also finally launch TOPE 38. :P Now, as TOPE 38 will already be launched late, and as so far I've only received some 5 entries, as far as I'm concerned people are free to take some more pictures for it during my holiday absence, say with a cut-off date of August 6th, so I can launch them too. As for TOPE 39, the shooting season is still open, and the timelines for that theme are intact as stated on the site, so we can catch up with the normal TOPE schedule as of now. :) Alright, gotta go now; catch you later! Cheers! Olafo -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 12:15:32 2009 Received: (qmail 17297 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 10:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 10:15:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D206E182DA for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D4DE24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BB034AC030 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:15:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F4934AC02F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:15:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MPZc1-0002mw-P7 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:15:22 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:15:22 +0100 Message-ID: <0B3DE20F93AF493F96D65F552DFB1D86@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcoB7TToAZE2GCukQdOa8rL8rVSwzgAIzN5w In-Reply-To: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090710-0, 10/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 12:15:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5866447192439112457 Splendid news, Chris, congratulations all round, and all the very best to Sophie and her parents. Piers -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] Sent: 11 July 2009 07:03 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] My new granddaughter Chaps We spent last week in the southwest of England on a short break near Dartmoor (pics to follow), but really to visit our new granddaughter. I thought that some of you might like to be reminded of how small a small person can be, a week old. http://bit.ly/unnQt Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 12:31:35 2009 Received: (qmail 2572 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 10:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 10:31:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7C2E1822B for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A184E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D34D19E0D2 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:31:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D869019E0CB for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:31:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328544615F0 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:55:15 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <0B3DE20F93AF493F96D65F552DFB1D86@your9ya3hf92n3> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:31:28 +0100 References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> <0B3DE20F93AF493F96D65F552DFB1D86@your9ya3hf92n3> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 12:31:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a586a0721901220213263 Thanks very much, Piers; Mum and Dad are doing well. We're still coming up to Scotland in September, and I might be able to give you a call to see if you're free. Cheers Chris On 11 Jul 2009, at 11:15, Piers Hemy wrote: > Splendid news, Chris, congratulations all round, and all the very > best to > Sophie and her parents. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 12:47:20 2009 Received: (qmail 1828 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 10:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 10:47:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF603E182EF for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97748E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779F834AC02F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:47:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5CDD34AC029 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:47:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heliar (d220-238-218-205.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.218.205]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n6BAlAdt001347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:47:12 +1000 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A58EA55.23274.25458BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4A58EA55.23274.25458BB@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:47:07 +1000 Message-ID: <002a01ca0214$f0489310$d0d9b930$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcoB+rAE4xQTID6gQzGVZ5afT+HJpgADPj+Q Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Off-topic ... ... wines X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 12:47:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a586db862011342116753 > > My favourite tipple at the moment is OBiKWA from Western State, South > Africa. Sold as a loss leader at several local supermarkets for about > $6 a > bottle. It is really nice ... At the supermarket here it sells for 2 bottles for $AU9.95, and is very good vale for money. > > Australian wines; Jackman Ridge is great and can be got for $7 a bottle > if > you are lucky. For a tad more Banrock estate is OK. Jacob's Creek good > but costs more again. Queen Adelaide I will not touch; usually is not > quite > right. Nobilo's on special not all that wonderful. OK but could be > better. > > Sentura from S E Australia is very nice - I think it is a House blend. > Haven't heard of the Sentura or Nobilos, could be export "specials". ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 13:00:13 2009 Received: (qmail 8164 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 11:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 11:00:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E00E182D8 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB444E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A785119E1AF for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:00:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABE719E1A4 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:00:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15422 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jul 2009 11:00:03 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Jul 2009 11:00:03 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5870B2.5080207@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:00:02 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090710-0, 07/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 13:00:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5870bd326371234514069 Well, even though she's a bit small don't throw her back in the water. She's a definite keeper. :-) Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Chaps > > We spent last week in the southwest of England on a short break near > Dartmoor (pics to follow), but really to visit our new granddaughter. > > I thought that some of you might like to be reminded of how small a > small person can be, a week old. > > http://bit.ly/unnQt > > Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 13:04:09 2009 Received: (qmail 18945 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 11:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 11:04:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A98E182C8 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B427E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A2E19E1CA for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:04:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6248019E1BA for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:04:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (viper.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.25]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.255.59.152] (152.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.152]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DB73DA22B for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:04:01 +1200 (NZST) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:04:00 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A591A60.25971.31004FC@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body Subject: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 13:04:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5871a970913900897491 Chris wrote > Chaps > > We spent last week in the southwest of England on a short break near > Dartmoor (pics to follow), but really to visit our new granddaughter. > > I thought that some of you might like to be reminded of how small a small > person can be, a week old. > > http://bit.ly/unnQt > > Chris Chris, congratulations to all concerned on bringing such a lovely little lady into the world. Actually, I think she doesn't look all that small, as babes are. I'll bet mother is glad she is born now. What a marvellous crop of hair! In the photo where she is lying on her back with her head to the right, she looks quite a lot more than 1 week old! Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 13:31:54 2009 Received: (qmail 8906 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 11:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 11:31:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531FCE18236 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB21E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8299834AC029 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA7334AC02F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090711113148006.RUJL21390@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:31:48 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:31:47 -0400 References: <673135.53169.qm@web86010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] f.a.q on OM 4 & OM 4Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 13:31:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a58782a257701879814018 The particular model doesn't, but the brand does. (Check dpreview for verification. ) Besides, anyone with any sense knows in the digital world, true allegiance is to the brand and the glass, not the particular body. (Although me and the D3 have quite the congenial relationship that I believe will last for some time to come. ) --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Strange how modern DSLRs that do everything but wash the dishes > can't get > that kind of bond... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 13:34:14 2009 Received: (qmail 29379 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 11:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 11:34:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C8BE182EA for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5C8E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8533519E253 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:34:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092F519E1E5 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:34:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090711113407952.CZHU2041@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:34:07 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A57B43C.2060001@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:34:07 -0400 References: <73A110C0-E5C5-4937-8FB1-FAEEF189B2BB@roadrunner.com> <4A57B43C.2060001@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 13:34:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5878b6103141879814018 That's pretty much it. I have Safari on my Mac, but I use Firefox 99 percent of the time. I have Explorer 8 on my Windows machine (running XP), but I don't use it for much, other than AVG and Qimage updates. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Moose wrote: > Bob Whitmire wrote: >> Arg! I hate it when Mac's misfire. Thanx for the kind words. >> > > Looks like this on Safari 4 under Vista. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 13:39:56 2009 Received: (qmail 3227 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 11:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 11:39:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62809E1822C for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27512E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F59E19E25E for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:39:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A196419E1E5 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:39:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090711113936966.RWCI21390@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:39:36 +0000 Message-Id: <2364585F-4872-4778-B256-4322E45B61FD@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:39:36 -0400 References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 13:39:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a587a0c327181220213263 Lovely, Chris. I hope many happy days as grandpop are ahead for you. FWIW, my favorite shot out of that gallery is P1011822. It doesn't have the baby in it, but very nice shot anyway. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 11, 2009, at 2:02 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Chaps > > We spent last week in the southwest of England on a short break near > Dartmoor (pics to follow), but really to visit our new granddaughter. > > I thought that some of you might like to be reminded of how small a > small person can be, a week old. > > http://bit.ly/unnQt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 13:44:20 2009 Received: (qmail 31967 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 11:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 11:44:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BACE18236 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F71E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8F434AC02F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:44:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A9834AC029 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:44:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090711114414508.ENRJ21440@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:44:14 +0000 Message-Id: <8BB6C99C-9198-4796-8C24-57A79241C0E9@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8F65F798-78B7-4735-94D7-F6CA3B08AE2A@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:44:13 -0400 References: <8CBCFBC32061BF3-14D4-12E8@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> <8F65F798-78B7-4735-94D7-F6CA3B08AE2A@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 26: just a quiet week X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 13:44:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a587b14323656107113666 I wondered about that when I was in the UK a few years ago. Bud signs were everywhere, but I avoided ordering any. Too many other beers to try. But I did wonder if it's brewed in the UK to a different standard than the swill that passes for beer over here. But then when I was first acquiring my beer taste, many years ago, there were no microbrews, and I was a Schlitz man. Never did cotton to Bud. But then I pretty much quit drinking beer for decades, until we moved to New England and I got my first Sam Adams. (Before it went big-time.) Then the microbrew explosion, and now I rarely let more than a couple of days go by without having a pint or two of something truly obscure. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 11, 2009, at 2:23 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > The (fake) Budweiser is for English tourists, the UK is the only > country outside the US where anybody drinks it. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 15:12:54 2009 Received: (qmail 30098 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 13:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 13:12:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274EEEDC036 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8095E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F94919E4BA for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:12:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C4419E4AC for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:12:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6407 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jul 2009 13:12:41 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090710-0, 07/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 15:12:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a588fd6211491234514069 I meant to add that, when you get a chance, you might want to revisit a few of these with the shadow/highlight control. For some you have some better pictures lurking underneath. This is shadow/highlight default. Nothing complicated. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Well, even though she's a bit small don't throw her back in the water. > She's a definite keeper. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Chris Barker wrote: >> Chaps >> >> We spent last week in the southwest of England on a short break near >> Dartmoor (pics to follow), but really to visit our new granddaughter. >> >> I thought that some of you might like to be reminded of how small a >> small person can be, a week old. >> >> http://bit.ly/unnQt >> >> Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 18:56:59 2009 Received: (qmail 16171 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 16:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 16:56:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61167E182B2 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9999DE24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6649034AC02F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C4134AC029 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:56:51 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=6co1_LZKAAAA:20 a=RswEJ3xya0XwUJlSss8A:9 a=KY-VpWcdOJQPM1s81Sgu6ZinmX8A:4 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:2837] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id 8A/6E-13225-354C85A4; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:56:51 +0000 Message-ID: <4A58C44E.8070503@bresnan.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:56:46 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 18:56:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a58c45b217391612113968 Congratulations, Chris! She's got such lovely delicate features for a newborn. http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100061/_7044654&bgcolor=black Hard to believe and remember that my own children started out so small. It passes by so quickly. Candace Chris Barker wrote: > Chaps > > We spent last week in the southwest of England on a short break near > Dartmoor (pics to follow), but really to visit our new granddaughter. > > I thought that some of you might like to be reminded of how small a > small person can be, a week old. > > http://bit.ly/unnQt > > Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 19:25:28 2009 Received: (qmail 10044 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 17:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 17:25:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D397CE181B1 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC86E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCE719EA89 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:25:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE07C19EAA8 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:25:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB06C96FD for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:52:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <8D7981A6-D86B-436E-ADD7-398C8F4ED09F@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <2364585F-4872-4778-B256-4322E45B61FD@roadrunner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:25:20 +0100 References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> <2364585F-4872-4778-B256-4322E45B61FD@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 19:25:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a58cb08191844877110844 Thanks, Bob. That's my youngest son and girlfriend having reached the top of Mt Snowdon (in Wales). They went up one of the more difficult routes and the little girl worked hard. Chris On 11 Jul 2009, at 12:39, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Lovely, Chris. I hope many happy days as grandpop are ahead for you. > FWIW, my favorite shot out of that gallery is P1011822. It doesn't > have the baby in it, but very nice shot anyway. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 19:27:10 2009 Received: (qmail 21681 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 17:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 17:27:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A7BEDC004 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C73E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEF019EACD for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:27:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E9519EACA for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:27:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF684C9742 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:54:36 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A588FC8.9000700@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:27:03 +0100 References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> <4A5870B2.5080207@chucknorcutt.com> <4A588FC8.9000700@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 19:27:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a58cb6e184804877110844 Thanks, Chuck. I am doing that now will all my shots, having been prodded by Moose a few weeks ago. But I had not revisited any older shots. That's the top of Cothelston Hill in Somerset, near Taunton, by the way. Chris On 11 Jul 2009, at 14:12, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I meant to add that, when you get a chance, you might want to > revisit a > few of these with the shadow/highlight control. For some you have > some > better pictures lurking underneath. This is shadow/highlight default. > Nothing complicated. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 19:30:14 2009 Received: (qmail 30596 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 17:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 17:30:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23315E181B1 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E93E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E762E19EACD for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:30:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E23319EAC0 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:30:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B97C96FC for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:57:41 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3EBE7C07-6AAF-4D28-9922-C2F7E6F764B1@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A58C44E.8070503@bresnan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:30:08 +0100 References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> <4A58C44E.8070503@bresnan.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 19:30:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a58cc26312164877110844 Thanks, Candace :-) Mum took a while to produce her, going in twice to be induced. The first time the labour ward was full so that didn't go as far as the drip' she had to come back the following morning and perform her version of The Longest Day (;-)). I was just waking at around midnight, saying yet another prayer that all would be fine, when eldest son rang with the good news. They all did extremely well, and young Mum is feeding Sophie well. Chris On 11 Jul 2009, at 17:56, Candace Lemarr wrote: > Congratulations, Chris! > > She's got such lovely delicate features for a newborn. > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100061/_7044654&bgcolor=black > > Hard to believe and remember that my own children started out so > small. > It passes by so quickly. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 19:57:32 2009 Received: (qmail 5996 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 17:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 17:57:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCABE18256 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994EAE24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DE034AC030 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:57:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EE234AC02F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:57:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.66]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19026 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2009 17:57:26 -0000 Message-ID: <482231.17512.qm@web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: d6sxxkQVM1lsmwyzegGnzA4Lhw71QMN3XFoHgzgwgwp7Ms3A6nSFf8SfqAHAC.mXPLouI9ylz2.H6x81lWgSMAI4fIExVqWuqd0ntHLaD55jRukE2BEd.23v.qYggAR5N5MAVVe5DSRmDp48efgXhcAhDKvzr0tG9DHko7oIdqSN37_7sNQyOmYtYFH75mrFXY.iAfIdIdg1ZppEHChblkWTesY5fhTYc9Yn8SKW7OQAQj3JGXrTkouMsJjCZgAz9kx65nYMcWouLOPk6CGK1G0- Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:57:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 19:57:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a58d28c249911234514069 Congratulations! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 20:20:33 2009 Received: (qmail 18916 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 18:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 18:20:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A00CEDC033 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2332E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4DBF34AC077 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0B434AC062 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43ACF46164F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:44:14 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8BB6C99C-9198-4796-8C24-57A79241C0E9@roadrunner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:20:26 +0100 References: <8CBCFBC32061BF3-14D4-12E8@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> <8F65F798-78B7-4735-94D7-F6CA3B08AE2A@frozenlight.eu> <8BB6C99C-9198-4796-8C24-57A79241C0E9@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 26: just a quiet week X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 20:20:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a58d7f1181521006886880 It's a bit stronger, Bob, at around 5% ABV, but there's a bit of plastic in the taste just like back across the Pond :-) I had some a few weeks ago while waiting for fellows to arrive at the Chicago Ribshack in Knightsbridge -- it was the only draught beer there. As soon as some students of mine arrived I took advice and switched to mojitos: much, much better tasting ... Chris On 11 Jul 2009, at 12:44, Bob Whitmire wrote: > I wondered about that when I was in the UK a few years ago. Bud signs > were everywhere, but I avoided ordering any. Too many other beers to > try. But I did wonder if it's brewed in the UK to a different > standard than the swill that passes for beer over here. But then when > I was first acquiring my beer taste, many years ago, there were no > microbrews, and I was a Schlitz man. Never did cotton to Bud. But then > I pretty much quit drinking beer for decades, until we moved to New > England and I got my first Sam Adams. (Before it went big-time.) Then > the microbrew explosion, and now I rarely let more than a couple of > days go by without having a pint or two of something truly obscure. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 21:48:13 2009 Received: (qmail 17821 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 19:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 19:48:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DD9E182F1 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCFFE24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A07A19EDF4 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:48:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15B619EDE6 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:48:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090711194805071.LQHQ2041@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:48:05 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:48:04 -0400 References: <8CBCFBC32061BF3-14D4-12E8@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> <8F65F798-78B7-4735-94D7-F6CA3B08AE2A@frozenlight.eu> <8BB6C99C-9198-4796-8C24-57A79241C0E9@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 26: just a quiet week X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 21:48:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a58ec7d218739752976205 This world's getting too damn international. Chicago Ribshack in Knightsbridge? Arrrggggg! And only Bud on tap. That's just wrong. But there's not much wrong with mojitos. Not much at all, except they're too easy to keep drinking instead of stopping when any sane person would. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 11, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > I had some a few weeks ago while waiting for fellows to arrive at the > Chicago Ribshack in Knightsbridge -- it was the only draught beer > there. As soon as some students of mine arrived I took advice and > switched to mojitos: much, much better tasting ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 22:41:53 2009 Received: (qmail 24575 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 20:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 20:41:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACCBE182DC for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A7CE24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD79434AC02F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:41:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645A234AC029 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:41:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4CBC9661 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:09:18 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:41:45 +0100 References: <8CBCFBC32061BF3-14D4-12E8@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> <8F65F798-78B7-4735-94D7-F6CA3B08AE2A@frozenlight.eu> <8BB6C99C-9198-4796-8C24-57A79241C0E9@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 26: just a quiet week X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 22:41:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a58f911294121136683642 Just what I thought, Bob. We don't need to go back there, whatever "special deals" they do :-) I remember being cross with a fellow pilot, back in 1989, when he ferried a new F16 to Greece. He flew back by airlines, stopping off for a day in London. I asked him when he got back where he had eaten in London ... Pizza Hut! I gave him a decent, English, bollocking :-) Chris On 11 Jul 2009, at 20:48, Bob Whitmire wrote: > This world's getting too damn international. Chicago Ribshack in > Knightsbridge? Arrrggggg! And only Bud on tap. That's just wrong. But > there's not much wrong with mojitos. Not much at all, except they're > too easy to keep drinking instead of stopping when any sane person > would. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 23:02:53 2009 Received: (qmail 29185 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 21:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 21:02:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8E1E182E8 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8087E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E6634AC030 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:02:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4E634AC029 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:02:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24334 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jul 2009 21:02:44 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090710-0, 07/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 23:02:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a58fdfd75536789618724 Thanks. I should have gone to Taunton the last time I was in the UK just to say I'd been there. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks, Chuck. I am doing that now will all my shots, having been > prodded by Moose a few weeks ago. But I had not revisited any older > shots. > > That's the top of Cothelston Hill in Somerset, near Taunton, by the way. > > Chris > > On 11 Jul 2009, at 14:12, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> I meant to add that, when you get a chance, you might want to >> revisit a >> few of these with the shadow/highlight control. For some you have >> some >> better pictures lurking underneath. This is shadow/highlight default. >> Nothing complicated. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 23:27:02 2009 Received: (qmail 20794 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 21:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 21:27:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E7AE1822D for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E58E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D1034AC030 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:26:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C26434AC029 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:26:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090711212655990.OWQE21440@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:26:55 +0000 Message-Id: <67D4BD65-60F3-4A0D-8157-69A05224D4B2@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:26:55 -0400 References: <8CBCFBC32061BF3-14D4-12E8@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> <8F65F798-78B7-4735-94D7-F6CA3B08AE2A@frozenlight.eu> <8BB6C99C-9198-4796-8C24-57A79241C0E9@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 26: just a quiet week X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 23:27:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5903a6241171560218263 You should have just shot him. The global gene pool doesn't need that. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 11, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > I asked him when he got back where he had eaten > in London ... Pizza Hut! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Jul 11 23:28:11 2009 Received: (qmail 15471 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 21:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 21:28:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019B2E1822C for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9577FE24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912BC19F0ED for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:28:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B6D19F0DF for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:28:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090711212805639.OXDA21440@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:28:05 +0000 Message-Id: <2B7D922C-9004-4B94-AD0D-970AD9509EA4@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A58FDF3.3000809@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:28:05 -0400 References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> <4A5870B2.5080207@chucknorcutt.com> <4A588FC8.9000700@chucknorcutt.com> <4A58FDF3.3000809@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Jul 11 23:28:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5903eb296355683411216 On Jul 11, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I should have gone to Taunton the last time I was in the UK > just to say I'd been there. That's right. 'Cause now we be Taunton you fer not going. --Bob -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 00:17:47 2009 Received: (qmail 2378 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 22:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 22:17:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51430E18256 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D3CE24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC8B19F277 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:17:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D210519F26B for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:17:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8780 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jul 2009 22:17:38 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090710-0, 07/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 00:17:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a590f8b131501234514069 Yup, I see it's already started. :-) Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > On Jul 11, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> I should have gone to Taunton the last time I was in the UK >> just to say I'd been there. > > That's right. 'Cause now we be Taunton you fer not going. > > --Bob > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 00:25:17 2009 Received: (qmail 31703 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 22:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 22:25:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155B3E182DC for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768FDE24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D4D19F2B8 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DAE19E4BA for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090711222512042.OFPV2041@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:25:12 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:25:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [OM] Lots of storage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 00:25:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a59114d69751234514069 Saw Iomega 1.5 terabyte external drive at Amazon for $149.95. That's a lot of storage. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 00:32:09 2009 Received: (qmail 13761 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 22:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 22:32:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD7AE182E6 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1E5E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781D219F2D6 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:32:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D877019F2F8 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:32:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KMN002X62IOGY70@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:32:01 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-9-161.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.9.161]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:30:24 -0300 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:30:24 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: An8LANCuWEoYigmh/2dsb2JhbACBS4k4wGsJhAAFgTuCMA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,385,1243825200"; d="scan'208";a="522470090" X-EsetScannerBuild: 5241 References: Subject: Re: [OM] Lots of storage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 00:32:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5912e9236751073733319 ........and it's a huge amount of data to lose if the drive malfunctions or is corrupted. Better not to put all of one's eggs into one drive. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Whitmire" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: [OM] Lots of storage > Saw Iomega 1.5 terabyte external drive at Amazon for $149.95. That's a > lot of storage. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4235 (20090711) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4235 (20090711) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 00:49:22 2009 Received: (qmail 21543 invoked by uid 0); 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Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090711224914735.QEBB21440@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:49:14 +0000 Message-Id: <87209252-D871-4738-8758-C2CBF3AECB73@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:49:13 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Lots of storage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 00:49:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5916f2144136107113666 It will be one of several. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 11, 2009, at 6:30 PM, John Hudson wrote: > ........and it's a huge amount of data to lose if the drive > malfunctions or > is corrupted. > > Better not to put all of one's eggs into one drive. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 01:22:27 2009 Received: (qmail 7534 invoked by uid 0); 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(moose@71.139.202.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 11 Jul 2009 23:22:19 -0000 Message-ID: <4A591EA2.7080506@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:22:10 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Lots of storage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 01:22:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a591eb3212004877110844 Bob Whitmire wrote: > Saw Iomega 1.5 terabyte external drive at Amazon for $149.95. That's a lot of storage. > I'm using two 1.5TB drives ($130@). One is in the computer as primary image storage. The other sits in a protective case when not in use and is connected using a Thermaltake Blacx eSATA/USB docking station to back-up the primary. The docking station is also used to back-up things other than images onto other bare drives. If it makes any difference to you, eSATA is MUCH faster than USB 2.0HiSpeed. The external 1.5TB drive, when attached, is as fast as the internal one. It's not THAT much storage space, mine is 62% used. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 01:45:21 2009 Received: (qmail 11146 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jul 2009 23:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 23:45:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E439AE18256 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1F8E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5F619F475 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:45:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D5D19F457 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:45:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26535 invoked by uid 504); 11 Jul 2009 23:45:14 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 11 Jul 2009 23:45:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4A592409.70906@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:45:13 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090710-0, 07/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Lots of storage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 01:45:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a59241129331560218263 Yup. You'll really notice that when it fails. :-) Chuck Norcutt Bob Whitmire wrote: > Saw Iomega 1.5 terabyte external drive at Amazon for $149.95. That's a > lot of storage. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 04:32:37 2009 Received: (qmail 7305 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2009 02:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 02:32:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C23EDC01E for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31F5E24A99 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1D334AC02F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:32:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745EF34AC029 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:32:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (really [76.178.221.34]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090712023227586.SBIK2041@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:32:27 +0000 Message-Id: <853DA328-38E6-4540-87DB-29AAC9105476@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A592409.70906@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:32:26 -0400 References: <4A592409.70906@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Lots of storage X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 04:32:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a594b4567292013633067 Ayuh. Back in the Dark Ages when the newspaper I worked for ponied up for a "front end system" (computerization), the buzz term we learned from the company was "concurrent redundancy." I believe in concurrent redundancy. All eggs do not go in the same basket. I can do in very little space what we had a dedicated, shielded room to do back in 1980. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Jul 11, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Yup. You'll really notice that when it fails. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Bob Whitmire wrote: >> Saw Iomega 1.5 terabyte external drive at Amazon for $149.95. >> That's a >> lot of storage. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 09:03:17 2009 Received: (qmail 26218 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2009 07:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 07:03:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3136EDC00B for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97EFE24A99 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBB734AC062 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:03:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFA934AC03F for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp00.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp00.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 53.red-88-26-166.staticip.rima-tde.net ([88.26.166.53]:53773 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay00.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.40]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1MPt5W-0002zg-1p (Exim 4.69) for olympus@thomasclausen.net (return-path ); Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:03:07 +0000 Message-Id: <1DE0FE3D-5669-472C-95EF-52F60550493B@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <173BC8171C3E451FB680091746CD5822@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:03:05 +0200 References: <178DD7B9-F302-4B43-98BA-CE0AC04FB490@frozenlight.eu> <3CF3D3F0-5C9F-4854-A516-45402142A6F9@threeshoes.net> <173BC8171C3E451FB680091746CD5822@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [OM] Summarit lens line X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 09:03:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a598ab5201211342116753 John, what the dealer probably liked least about the lens is that his profit margin on it was less than on the more expensive lenses. I have two of the Summarits, the 2.5/35mm and the 2.5/75mm. Both are made in Germany (unless Leica is lying), and both are excellent, especially the 75mm (and I have owned both Summiluxes and Summicrons in the past). I consider the introduction of this lens line one of the few smart marketing/product moves by Leica in the past several years. By lowering the barrier to entry they probably have gained a sizeable amount of lens sales that would otherwise have gone to the used market. Having said all this, Erwin Puts has a review of the Summarit line on his site: http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/lenses/lenses/page83.html from which it appears that the 50mm is the weakest member of the Summarit line, optically speaking. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Jul 8, 2009, at 10:31 PM, John Hudson wrote: > Are the Summarit lenses for the M8 substantially the same [build > quality, > performance, etc] as the present day Summarit-M lenses? > > During a recent visit to the UK I chanced upon a Leica MP with a > Summarit-M > 50mm / f2.5 . The dealer praised the body but was cool about the > lens saying > that it a "beginner / introductory line" and doubted that it was > made in > Germany. > > Just curious > > jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 12:57:43 2009 Received: (qmail 22574 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2009 10:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 10:57:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7816AE182ED for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36239E240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41DF3610002 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:57:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[none] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C63434AC029 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:57:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from amenworld-outbound-smtp01.mail.eu.clara.net (amenworld-outbound-smtp01.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.2]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 53.red-88-26-166.staticip.rima-tde.net ([88.26.166.53]:54202 helo=[192.168.1.34]) by relay01.mail.eu.clara.net (smtp-vh.amenworld.com [213.253.3.41]:11587) with esmtpa (authdaemon_plain:nw0640@frozenlight.eu) id 1MPwkJ-0001nJ-68 (Exim 4.69) (return-path ); Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:57:29 +0000 Message-Id: <7A429C7C-FED5-48E4-BD3A-4900489194A8@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Wajsman To: Olympus Camera Discussion , Leica Users Group In-Reply-To: <3CF3D3F0-5C9F-4854-A516-45402142A6F9@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:57:26 +0200 References: <178DD7B9-F302-4B43-98BA-CE0AC04FB490@frozenlight.eu> <3CF3D3F0-5C9F-4854-A516-45402142A6F9@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [OM] IMG: Another beach panorama - improved version X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 12:57:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a59c1a75401234514069 As Chris points out, there was a problematic stitch in the original panorama I posted, involving a blurred woman in the water who had the misfortune of moving across one of stitching points at the wrong time. On the same day I also took another panorama of the scene, just a few minutes earlier, and this does not suffer from any strangely stitched people: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/belgiangator/panorama/20090704-El_Campello_1.jpg.html (I have deleted the other one). Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Jul 8, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Ah, that's better, Nathan. I couldn't really appreciate the panoramae > (:-)) from the thumbnails. > > This one is good, bar the blurred lady in the water at around 1230. > > Chris > > On 4 Jul 2009, at 19:41, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> Making the panos is becoming easier and more pleasant now that I have >> all the needed bits and pieces from Manfrotto. This one is from El >> Campello beach earlier this afternoon: >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/belgiangator/panorama/El_Campello_2.jpg.html >> >> This one is around 180 degrees, made from 12 images with the 35mm >> Summarit. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 15:31:25 2009 Received: (qmail 21015 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2009 13:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 13:31:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CF8EDC03A for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816E6E240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6301419E351 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:31:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB36219E343 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:31:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC02DC9751 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:58:50 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7A429C7C-FED5-48E4-BD3A-4900489194A8@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:31:16 +0100 References: <178DD7B9-F302-4B43-98BA-CE0AC04FB490@frozenlight.eu> <3CF3D3F0-5C9F-4854-A516-45402142A6F9@threeshoes.net> <7A429C7C-FED5-48E4-BD3A-4900489194A8@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another beach panorama - improved version X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 15:31:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a59e5ad164069730998309 Looks good, Nathan :-) Chris On 12 Jul 2009, at 11:57, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > On the same day I also took another panorama of the scene, just a few > minutes earlier, and this does not suffer from any strangely stitched > people: > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/belgiangator/panorama/20090704-El_Campello_1.jpg.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 15:32:24 2009 Received: (qmail 15009 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2009 13:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:59:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A591A60.25971.31004FC@bj.caverock.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:32:18 +0100 References: <4A591A60.25971.31004FC@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 15:32:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a59e5e842451560218263 Thanks, Brian. And, as one of my ex-students has pointed out, on Facebook, the little girl has more hair already than her grandfather ... Chris On 11 Jul 2009, at 12:04, Brian Swale wrote: > Chris wrote > >> Chaps >> >> We spent last week in the southwest of England on a short break near >> Dartmoor (pics to follow), but really to visit our new granddaughter. >> >> I thought that some of you might like to be reminded of how small >> a small >> person can be, a week old. >> >> http://bit.ly/unnQt >> >> Chris > > Chris, congratulations to all concerned on bringing such a lovely > little lady > into the world. Actually, I think she doesn't look all that small, > as babes are. > I'll bet mother is glad she is born now. > > What a marvellous crop of hair! In the photo where she is lying on > her back > with her head to the right, she looks quite a lot more than 1 week > old! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 20:45:55 2009 Received: (qmail 7306 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2009 18:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 18:45:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DCCDE182B4 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E352E240DF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3257B19EA1D for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F14119E8CA for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:45:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so1816213ewy.14 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:45:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.28.200 with SMTP id g50mr1216202wea.203.1247424346381; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:45:46 +0200 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 20:45:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a2f6324041136683642 Hello everybody, I have possibly For Sale a very nice 35-80mm f2.8. It comes with hood and origincaps -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 21:13:07 2009 Received: (qmail 5996 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2009 19:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 19:13:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E34EDC037 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D50E240DF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB2C19EADD for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:13:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8093419EAC7 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:13:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so1825281ewy.14 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:13:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.36.80 with SMTP id v58mr1194377wea.193.1247425980414; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:13:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:13:00 +0200 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 21:13:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a35c310851234514069 Hello everybody, the first one went of too soon. I have possibly For Sale a very nice 35-80mm f2.8. It comes with dedicated hood, it's own pouch and original caps. Mechanically as new. There is one very fine 5mm cleaning mark in the form of a straight line on the front lens. I might have the box somewhere as well (We had some water in the basement last year where I kept all the boxes, I don't know if it was involved or not :). I have a price in mind, just ask off list. I might sell the 3Ti as well, just mail me with a good reason I should sell :). I don't use flash at all anymore, so there is nothing for me, except some batteries (and for metering I need them anyway) and the nice pirring wur of one second of the 3Ti (and it's georgeous sturdy color) that goes over my user 4T. I'll mail images on request of both. Iwert. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 21:33:31 2009 Received: (qmail 29810 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2009 19:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 19:33:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B215E182DD for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2518E240DF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A3834AC03F for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:33:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0041234AC02F for ; 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Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:33:44 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:34:39 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 Thread-Index: AcoDJ8u5CnY4gm8bEd6h8gAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 21:34:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a3ab4173795683411216 Damn I wish I had some money. LOL -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-5101 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 7/12/09 3:13 PM, "iwert bernakiewicz" wrote: > Hello everybody, > > the first one went of too soon. > > I have possibly For Sale a very nice 35-80mm f2.8. > It comes with dedicated hood, it's own pouch and original caps. > Mechanically as new. > There is one very fine 5mm cleaning mark in the form of a straight > line on the front lens. > > I might have the box somewhere as well (We had some water in the basement > last year where I kept all the boxes, I don't know if it was involved or not > :). > > I have a price in mind, just ask off list. > I might sell the 3Ti as well, just mail me with a good reason I should sell > :). > I don't use flash at all anymore, so there is nothing for me, except > some batteries (and for metering I need them anyway) and the nice > pirring wur of one second of the 3Ti (and it's georgeous sturdy color) > that goes over my user 4T. > I'll mail images on request of both. > > Iwert. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Jul 12 22:02:37 2009 Received: (qmail 1302 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2009 20:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 20:02:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84799E1822E for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B6DE240DF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AE234AC030 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:02:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCE734AC02F for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:02:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so156419bwz.14 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:02:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.64.196 with SMTP id f4mr4270902bki.151.1247428950116; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:02:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:02:30 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3fac102c4ca92cf8 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Jul 12 22:02:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a415d326821879814018 > > I might sell the 3Ti as well, just mail me with a good reason I should sell > :). I have both the 3Ti and the 35-80 and here I instantly suffered a case of lens/camera envy. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 00:21:00 2009 Received: (qmail 18087 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2009 22:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 22:20:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA326E182E5 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52786E240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E2B19EF51 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:20:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD4C19EF42 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:20:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.172]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n6CMKonb010110 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:20:51 +1000 Message-Id: <200907122220.n6CMKonb010110@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail10.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:20:50 +1000 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:20:50 +1000 Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 00:21:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a61cc113391612113968 > Ken Norton wrote: > > I have both the 3Ti and the 35-80 and here I instantly suffered a case > of > lens/camera envy. > ...but do you have a backup of each ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 00:28:20 2009 Received: (qmail 13245 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2009 22:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 22:28:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A093AE18236 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EFCE240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA44B34AC03F for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:28:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D19534AC02F for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:28:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl40.gs02.gridserver.com (cl40.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-157-221.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.157.221]:58324 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by cl40.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQ7Wn-0001uF-0l for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:28:13 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:29:10 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 Thread-Index: AcoDQCzsa2Vw3G8zEd61YwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <200907122220.n6CMKonb010110@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 00:28:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a638492691560218263 Hell most of us don't have a single one of each...lol -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-5101 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 7/12/09 6:20 PM, "Wayne Harridge" wrote: > > > > >> Ken Norton wrote: >> >> I have both the 3Ti and the 35-80 and here I instantly suffered a case >> of >> lens/camera envy. >> > > ...but do you have a backup of each ? > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 02:02:39 2009 Received: (qmail 14392 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 00:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 00:02:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C064EDC00C for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB272E240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917E719F100 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB50019F0E5 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:02:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so219241bwz.14 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:02:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.212 with SMTP id n20mr4610347bkq.138.1247443350433; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:02:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200907122220.n6CMKonb010110@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200907122220.n6CMKonb010110@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:02:30 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 116881b683bdbb5d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 02:02:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a799f186056107113666 > > ...but do you have a backup of each ? > LOL, I think I'm well endowed with backups. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 02:18:17 2009 Received: (qmail 1501 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 00:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 00:18:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE6AE182AD for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99C6E240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF11D34AC030 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:18:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778D034AC03F for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:18:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6D0IAkv007641 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:18:10 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.c07.62e57d4e (30738) for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:18:08 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:18:08 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 02:18:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a7d4912211258626592 In a message dated 7/12/2009 2:34:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com writes: Damn I wish I had some money. LOL Do you have a gun? <{B^) Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 02:29:22 2009 Received: (qmail 24590 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 00:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 00:29:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B207EDC017 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A598CE240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8412919F19C for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:29:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F14819F19A for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:29:17 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl36.gs02.gridserver.com (cl36.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.45]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-71-97-157-221.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.97.157.221]:59170 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by cl36.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQ9Pv-0005US-JJ for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:29:17 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:30:13 -0400 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 Thread-Index: AcoDURYCVEswTG9EEd6yWwAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 02:29:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a7fe2277989730998309 Nope, no guns. You weren't suggesting robbery, now were you? Ken, where do you live again? LOL -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-5101 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 7/12/09 8:18 PM, "NSURIT@aol.com" wrote: > > In a message dated 7/12/2009 2:34:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com writes: > > Damn I wish I had some money. LOL > > > > > > Do you have a gun? <{B^) Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 02:34:59 2009 Received: (qmail 22866 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 00:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 00:34:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A20EDC00A for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F97E240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF17734AC02F for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:34:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802EA34AC029 for ; 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Ken's the only guy I can think of who has the 35-80 and is within driving distance (that is, he is in the USA). He better RUN! -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-747-5101 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 7/12/09 8:34 PM, "NSURIT@aol.com" wrote: > I'll drive the get away SUV and even take second choice. <{B^) Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 03:31:27 2009 Received: (qmail 15614 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 01:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 01:31:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523EAE182E7 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1B7E240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F2D34AC02F for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:31:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A591F34AC030 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:31:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts10.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.54]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip4.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.87]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090713013120.ZLBP12711.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip4.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:31:20 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroBAL0qWkpA56JN/2dsb2JhbAAIyWKECQU Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([64.231.162.77]) by toip4.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2009 21:46:15 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:31:18 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Photography in Iowa? Thread-Index: AcoDWZ6F3TmPuG9MEd6o5AAX8gK7wA== Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Photography in Iowa? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 03:31:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a8e6f140131234514069 Small world. For the next few months I will be doing contract work during the business week in Cedar Rapids IA. Anything to photograph in Iowa :-) ? Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 03:58:52 2009 Received: (qmail 10559 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 01:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 01:58:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A70EDC018 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FE8E240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EEE34AC02F for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:58:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128ED34AC030 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:58:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17721 invoked by uid 504); 13 Jul 2009 01:58:44 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 Jul 2009 01:58:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5A94D3.5000105@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:58:43 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090712-0, 07/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Photography in Iowa? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 03:58:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a94dc227352439112457 How about corn and soybeans? This is Iowa about an hour or so west of Ken's place... somewhere between Des Moines and Omaha. It's still early July. If the corn isn't higher than the people yet you can do some portraits. :-) Chuck Norcutt Michael Collins wrote: > Small world. For the next few months I will be doing contract work during > the business week in Cedar Rapids IA. Anything to photograph in Iowa :-) ? > > Michael > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 04:08:25 2009 Received: (qmail 27296 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 02:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 02:08:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BFFEDC024 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FF0E240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20B119F3CE for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:08:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B9919F3C4 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:08:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f185.google.com (mail-yw0-f185.google.com [209.85.211.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh15 with SMTP id 15so282153ywh.22 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:08:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.166.7 with SMTP id o7mr6361441ane.90.1247450898861; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:08:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:08:18 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907121908u14ad7eafg8486f0f020076831@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Photography in Iowa? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 04:08:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a971981461950411718 On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Michael Collins wrote: > Small world. For the next few months I will be doing contract work during > the business week in Cedar Rapids IA. Anything to photograph in Iowa :-) ? No, the photons scatter to either coast. We bump into each a lot walking around. ;^) Joel W. http://jfwilcox.jalbum.net/Win2009/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/99378213@N00/sets/72157608885602106/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 04:21:21 2009 Received: (qmail 2378 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 02:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 02:21:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415FBE182B5 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCBEE240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970D119F419 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:21:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED2819F3CE for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:21:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f183.google.com (mail-yx0-f183.google.com [209.85.210.183]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe13 with SMTP id 13so3571262yxe.22 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:21:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.144.6 with SMTP id r6mr6431636and.10.1247451675514; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:21:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:21:15 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907121921qdc90a3bx2d6dd7db7562250f@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Photography in Iowa? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 04:21:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a9a21317633900897491 On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Michael Collins wrote: > Small world. For the next few months I will be doing contract work during > the business week in Cedar Rapids IA. Anything to photograph in Iowa :-) ? > > Michael Seriously, Michael, let us know when you're in CR and we'll try to have a Zuik gathering in your honor. Chuck got a drenching storm when he came through (or actually I came through it to get to him). Maybe we'll be able to improve on that a bit. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 04:30:10 2009 Received: (qmail 18731 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 02:30:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 02:30:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C80EDC006 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BF5E240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4C634AC070 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:30:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44D734AC02F for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:30:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so246343bwz.14 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:30:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.50.212 with SMTP id a20mr4676593bkg.35.1247452200836; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:30:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:30:00 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5ad7978fbb683145 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 04:30:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a9c3213071073733319 > > Hehe. Ken's the only guy I can think of who has the 35-80 and is within > driving distance (that is, he is in the USA). He better RUN! > Joel has one and he's closer to you. AG (somewhere in Corn Country) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 04:33:48 2009 Received: (qmail 31345 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 02:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 02:33:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BEBE182B2 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1238BE240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FC334AC030 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:33:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DE534AC02F for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:33:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts36.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toip6.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.125]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20090713023341.NIFN1757.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip6.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:33:41 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroBAL81WkpA56JN/2dsb2JhbAAIyV+ECQU Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.51.152]) ([64.231.162.77]) by toip6.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2009 22:26:38 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:33:40 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Photography in Iowa? Thread-Index: AcoDYlTtk8DRsm9VEd6o5AAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907121921qdc90a3bx2d6dd7db7562250f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Photography in Iowa? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 04:33:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a9d0b192081006886880 On 7/12/09 10:21 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Seriously, Michael, let us know when you're in CR and we'll try to > have a Zuik gathering in your honor. Chuck got a drenching storm when > he came through (or actually I came through it to get to him). Maybe > we'll be able to improve on that a bit. > > Joel W. Appreciated, will do. It'll take a week or two to settle in - I start August 3. (I was going to say, "to get the lay of the land", but I presume it's one word - flat!) I may then choose to stay some weekends. Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 04:41:22 2009 Received: (qmail 8640 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 02:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 02:41:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E10E182E6 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC276E240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFECA34AC030 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:41:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFCB34AC029 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:41:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f209.google.com (mail-fx0-f209.google.com [209.85.220.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so119476fxm.14 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:41:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.50.212 with SMTP id a20mr4683614bkg.35.1247452874786; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:41:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907121921qdc90a3bx2d6dd7db7562250f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0907121921qdc90a3bx2d6dd7db7562250f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:41:14 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5bc001dce5ffe8b2 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Photography in Iowa? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 04:41:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5a9ed277532013633067 > > Seriously, Michael, let us know when you're in CR and we'll try to > have a Zuik gathering in your honor. Chuck got a drenching storm when > he came through (or actually I came through it to get to him). Maybe > we'll be able to improve on that a bit. > Definitely. If you're around for long enough, we might even break out the special stash of top secret shooting spots. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 05:02:09 2009 Received: (qmail 14581 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 03:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 03:02:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4D4EDC011 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A53E240B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4519134AC03F for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:02:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.771 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.771 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F9634AC030 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:02:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 28 days 07:26:20 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-13-58.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.13.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6D31pJ5003515 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:01:54 -0300 Message-ID: <4A5AA3A3.2030904@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:01:55 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: [OM] up to FF3.5 windows - impression X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 05:02:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5aa3b124241744846740 I fear that the up to 3.5 made me lost several bookmarks, specially the most recent ones. Not completely sure, but just in case make a backup of the bookmarks before. Runs nicely, and color aware too. Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 05:03:32 2009 Received: (qmail 1365 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 03:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 03:03:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6759CE182B9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087E9E240DF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92AC19F4F9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:03:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902DC19F4CF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:03:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1115468anc.35 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:03:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.248.17 with SMTP id v17mr6339281anh.164.1247454206886; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:03:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9e908c1f0907121921qdc90a3bx2d6dd7db7562250f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907122003q25d5d4dai625f9410ab243d80@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Photography in Iowa? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 05:03:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5aa404303651234514069 On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Michael Collins wrote: > On 7/12/09 10:21 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: >> Seriously, Michael, let us know when you're in CR and we'll try to >> have a Zuik gathering in your honor. =A0Chuck got a drenching storm when >> he came through (or actually I came through it to get to him). =A0Maybe >> we'll be able to improve on that a bit. >> >> Joel W. > > Appreciated, will do. It'll take a week or two to settle in - I start Aug= ust > 3. (I was going to say, "to get the lay of the land", but I presume it's = one > word - flat!) I may then choose to stay some weekends. > > Michael I was thinking you're in Toronto? Central Illinois is quite flat but as soon as you cross the Mississippi the fields appear to undulate. Eastern Iowa in general while not hilly is also not flat. Perhaps it is a matter like snow among the Eskimo -- perhaps we just have 17 different words for "flat"! Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 05:07:09 2009 Received: (qmail 22343 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 03:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 03:07:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAE1E182B1 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B8BE240DF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09C134AC03F for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:07:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A003834AC030 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:07:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f183.google.com (mail-yx0-f183.google.com [209.85.210.183]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe13 with SMTP id 13so3597608yxe.22 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:07:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.107.8 with SMTP id f8mr6491468anc.149.1247454425241; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:07:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:07:05 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907122007v66960671p63d0c808fcf617f2@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 05:07:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5aa4dd279541950411718 On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Hehe. Ken's the only guy I can think of who has the 35-80 and is within >> driving distance (that is, he is in the USA). He better RUN! >> > > > Joel has one and he's closer to you. > > AG (somewhere in Corn Country) Schnozz Most people on the list seem to think we're the same person, Ken. Perhaps it's because I used to live in Grinnell too -- though they didn't have those condos on the west side of town back then. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 05:27:08 2009 Received: (qmail 30006 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 03:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 03:27:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077E9EDC030 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEE9E240DF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D5934AC030 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:26:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1CB34AC029 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:26:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1119831anc.35 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:26:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.166.7 with SMTP id o7mr6439116ane.90.1247455614855; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:26:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090710122249.vofnzhmego0ssw0w@webmail.jazznet.es> References: <380-22009751022819832@earthlink.net> <4A56E917.7090303@m93.myzen.co.uk> <20090710122249.vofnzhmego0ssw0w@webmail.jazznet.es> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:26:54 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907122026m1a0796acuf273396090c76a3a@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Using FL-50R, wedding sample pictures, Eneloop batts, etc... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 05:27:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5aa98c110985368819438 2009/7/10 David Irisarri : > Joel thanks for your compliments regarding to the pictures. I am a > little bit picky (I don=B4t know if it=B4s the right word) with the images > because the photographer in the wedding was Kake > http://www.kakefoto.com/modules/wfarcadina/index.php?id=3D12 He is the > best photographer of La Coru=F1a. I looked at his galleries. Some very nice images. I don't think they are comparable with yours because he has chosen mainly to display images in which the lighting is either studio or otherwise very carefully controlled. In general shooting under your conditions, I'd try using -2/3 exposure compensation. You might have to bring up the shadows in post-processing. With the E-3 I use Studio 2 for RAW development as it is better than any alternative I have tried. I also set Gradation to "auto". In RAW development I always check to see how gradation looks when switched to "Normal" in software. The Auto setting in gradation always seems to pull the pixels to the right without further moving the highlights in that direction. I don't always like the look, but sometimes I do and it's nice to get it done in RAW development. It seems to combine well with the use of negative exposure compensation. Well, good luck. I think you've done well, all things considered. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 05:33:50 2009 Received: (qmail 32747 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 03:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 03:33:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD7AEDC007 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D89E240DF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0C319F5D9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:33:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76B219F5D8 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:33:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f209.google.com (mail-fx0-f209.google.com [209.85.220.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so129036fxm.14 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:33:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.124.7 with SMTP id s7mr4682679bkr.189.1247456020877; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:33:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907122003q25d5d4dai625f9410ab243d80@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0907121921qdc90a3bx2d6dd7db7562250f@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0907122003q25d5d4dai625f9410ab243d80@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:33:40 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2a8e5ffb74176634 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Photography in Iowa? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 05:33:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5aab1e158872439112457 > > I was thinking you're in Toronto? Central Illinois is quite flat but > as soon as you cross the Mississippi the fields appear to undulate. > Eastern Iowa in general while not hilly is also not flat. Perhaps it > is a matter like snow among the Eskimo -- perhaps we just have 17 > different words for "flat"! > We'll go for a bicycle ride and you'll learn just what "flat" in Iowa means. ;) I've been using my new GPS on the bicycle. Yesterday, on a 10 mile ride, I had almost 3000 feet of climbs (and obviously the same amount of descents). Six of those miles were on gravel road, so it does get a bit wild sometimes whipping down a steep hill about 40mph. Went sideways a couple of times, but the Cannondale's wheelbase being longer than the average MTB helps to keep it from being too twitchy, but that large-diameter aluminum tubing does nothing to absorb the bumps. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 05:41:49 2009 Received: (qmail 20101 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 03:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 03:41:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA78EDC01D for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F8BE240DF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449C834AC030 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:41:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB5934AC029 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:41:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f209.google.com (mail-fx0-f209.google.com [209.85.220.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so130327fxm.14 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:41:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.57.73 with SMTP id b9mr4647428bkh.45.1247456501340; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:41:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907122007v66960671p63d0c808fcf617f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0907122007v66960671p63d0c808fcf617f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:41:41 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3f5982a2a8e2414c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 05:41:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5aacfd206287801554290 > > Most people on the list seem to think we're the same person, Ken. > Perhaps it's because I used to live in Grinnell too -- though they > didn't have those condos on the west side of town back then. > You think Bill Barber (aka NSURIT) will vouch for us? Joel is definitely a better photographer than me. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 05:47:58 2009 Received: (qmail 20625 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 03:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 03:47:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA084EDC014 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96000E240DF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787C719F60C for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:47:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA1A19F603 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:47:52 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14921 invoked by uid 502); 13 Jul 2009 03:47:49 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.202.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Jul 2009 03:47:49 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5AAE5B.3000606@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:47:39 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0907122007v66960671p63d0c808fcf617f2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907122007v66960671p63d0c808fcf617f2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 05:47:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5aae6e10469730998309 Joel Wilcox wrote: > Perhaps it's because I used to live in Grinnell too -- though they didn't have those condos on the west side of town back then. > > Most people on the list seem to think we're the same person, Ken. No, one's of medium height, wiry and largely eschews hair. The other's tall, uh .. not wiry, and flaunts his hirsute glory. Close? Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 06:11:13 2009 Received: (qmail 8220 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 04:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 04:11:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0528DEDC02D for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB86E240DF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A6419F64A for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:11:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AE019F648 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:11:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so263810bwz.14 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:11:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.134 with SMTP id v6mr4675278bkq.2.1247458265267; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:11:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5AAE5B.3000606@gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0907122007v66960671p63d0c808fcf617f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A5AAE5B.3000606@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:11:05 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a412b8d58e87059d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 06:11:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5ab3e1194981879814018 > > The other's tall, uh .. not wiry, and flaunts his hirsute glory. > Working on returning to the "wiry" characteristic. Height is a nice disguise, but trying to boogie up steep hills on the bicycle is proving that the disguise is quite an act. Thursday, is my periodic hair-length adjustment. It may be long enough now that I can do a hair-donation AND still have some length left over. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 06:39:05 2009 Received: (qmail 7911 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 04:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 04:39:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DE9E182D9 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85416E240DF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79ABE34AC02F for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:39:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1430A34AC029 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:39:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30408 invoked by uid 502); 13 Jul 2009 04:38:59 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.202.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Jul 2009 04:38:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5ABA5D.1070405@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:38:53 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5AA3A3.2030904@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4A5AA3A3.2030904@adinet.com.uy> Subject: Re: [OM] up to FF3.5 windows - impression X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 06:39:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5aba69160355683411216 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > I fear that the up to 3.5 made me lost several bookmarks, specially the most recent ones. > > Not completely sure, but just in case make a backup of the bookmarks before. > It didn't install properly with the 3.0.11 also installed. Backed up the bookmarks to a file outside the FireFox directories, uninstalled and deleted directories. Second install went fine. It either found the bookmarks elsewhere on the disk or has some secret stash. Anyway, all appear to be there and up to date. > Runs nicely, and color aware too. > Thanks for checking into the color aware thing. I had put off trying it until I knew about that. As advertised, it loads sites much faster than 3.0. Very nice! Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 07:27:53 2009 Received: (qmail 1726 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 05:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 05:27:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00DBEDC01C for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F989E240DF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E6A19F6E1 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:27:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B4B19F6DF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:27:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f183.google.com (mail-yx0-f183.google.com [209.85.210.183]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe13 with SMTP id 13so3673117yxe.22 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:27:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.91.15 with SMTP id o15mr6554406anb.47.1247462867197; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:27:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5AA3A3.2030904@adinet.com.uy> References: <4A5AA3A3.2030904@adinet.com.uy> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:27:26 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] up to FF3.5 windows - impression X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 07:27:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5ac5d9265721076813867 2009/7/13 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile : > I fear that the up to 3.5 made me lost several bookmarks, specially the > most recent ones. Sorry for it being too late, but perhaps for future backup consider giving the XMarks add-on a try: http://www.xmarks.com/ It's particularly good if you work across multiple computers. Works with IE and Safari too, apparently (the latter was good for getting my bookmarks onto my iPod Touch, even though I don't use Safari on my iMac). 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Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 14:17:55 2009 Received: (qmail 1416 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 12:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 12:17:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A14EDC039 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF0FE240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F9F34AC03F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:17:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899A934AC030 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:17:50 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1215052anc.35 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:17:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.133.2 with SMTP id g2mr7088130and.23.1247487470119; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:17:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5AAE5B.3000606@gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0907122007v66960671p63d0c808fcf617f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A5AAE5B.3000606@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:17:50 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907130517i5f9780f9x872112257cee3b15@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 14:17:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b25f3293491258626592 On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Moose wrote: > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> Most people on the list seem to think we're the same person, Ken. > > No, one's of medium height, wiry and largely eschews hair. The other's > tall, uh .. not wiry, and flaunts his hirsute glory. > > Close? Not bad. At 6'2" I'm used to being taller than most people, even though on Isle Royale I was the short guy. I'm still grateful to Bill Barber for bringing his DZ 7-14, even though I had a hard time prying it out of Ken's hands. I don't think I'd have toted such a heavy lens into the wild, and he did it just to be a nice guy, which he surely is. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 15:01:13 2009 Received: (qmail 17377 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 13:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 13:01:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76263E182E5 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F83CE240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C18034AC030 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:01:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9762134AC02F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:01:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.56]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMQ00MCC1HJ6SU7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:00:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4A5B300E.6030609@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:01:02 -0400 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> <4A58C44E.8070503@bresnan.net> In-reply-to: <4A58C44E.8070503@bresnan.net> Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 15:01:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b3019120081006886880 What a cute little baby, congratulations Chris! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Candace Lemarr wrote: > Congratulations, Chris! > > She's got such lovely delicate features for a newborn. > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100061/_7044654&bgcolor=black > > Hard to believe and remember that my own children started out so small. > It passes by so quickly. > > Candace > > Chris Barker wrote: >> Chaps >> >> We spent last week in the southwest of England on a short break near >> Dartmoor (pics to follow), but really to visit our new granddaughter. >> >> I thought that some of you might like to be reminded of how small a >> small person can be, a week old. >> >> http://bit.ly/unnQt >> >> Chris > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 15:10:18 2009 Received: (qmail 24067 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 13:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 13:10:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84717E182D9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD92EE240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A439234AC077 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:10:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3520934AC062 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:10:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KMQ000QQ1WZB0C0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:10:11 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-10-106.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.10.106]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:10:11 -0300 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:10:11 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <7F63A4D2EE164015B3708CDBD9422C50@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnILAMvOWkoYigpq/2dsb2JhbACBS4k4swkJjXsJgkSBPAWBPYIx X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,390,1243825200"; d="scan'208";a="523336341" X-EsetScannerBuild: 5247 References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> <4A58C44E.8070503@bresnan.net> <4A5B300E.6030609@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 15:10:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b323a307281006886880 Congratulations Chris ! But no one so far I think has offered congratulations to Granny so congratulations to Mrs Chris as well. Being curious, I'd like to know what the proper list greeting would be for lady "Chaps". Since Candace Lemmar has chimed in I am wondering if Chaps and Chapettes would be considered proper. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter > What a cute little baby, congratulations Chris! > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Candace Lemarr wrote: >> Congratulations, Chris! >> >> She's got such lovely delicate features for a newborn. >> http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100061/_7044654&bgcolor=black >> >> Hard to believe and remember that my own children started out so small. >> It passes by so quickly. >> >> Candace >> >> Chris Barker wrote: >>> Chaps >>> >>> We spent last week in the southwest of England on a short break near >>> Dartmoor (pics to follow), but really to visit our new granddaughter. >>> >>> I thought that some of you might like to be reminded of how small a >>> small person can be, a week old. >>> >>> http://bit.ly/unnQt >>> >>> Chris >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4238 (20090713) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4238 (20090713) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 15:27:25 2009 Received: (qmail 28508 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 13:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 13:27:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77EE7E182E1 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3319DE240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C1519E7FC for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C3D19E7EE for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:27:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jgettis81@earthlink.net whitelisted) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.175.81.75] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MQLYp-0000Ws-M1 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:27:19 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220097113132715703@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:27:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da9401151bc8da7a562544a4a364e44514da2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.81.75 Subject: Re: [OM] British Journal of Photography - Fujifilm terminates FujicolorPro film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 15:27:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b363d271844877110844 I I am reading this right they are only gettting rid of the professonal 800 speed film. John > Subject: [OM] British Journal of Photography - Fujifilm terminates FujicolorPro film > > http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=865280 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 15:34:23 2009 Received: (qmail 2192 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 13:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 13:34:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D7AE182D4 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC031E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEDF19E82C for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:34:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D63D19E817 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:34:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f183.google.com (mail-yx0-f183.google.com [209.85.210.183]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe13 with SMTP id 13so3972206yxe.22 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:34:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.107.8 with SMTP id f8mr7166402anc.149.1247492058504; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:34:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:34:18 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907130634y1a55957me1051edd578c77e8@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 15:34:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b37df192881744846740 On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Chaps > > We spent last week in the southwest of England on a short break near > Dartmoor (pics to follow), but really to visit our new granddaughter. > > I thought that some of you might like to be reminded of how small a > small person can be, a week old. > > http://bit.ly/unnQt Well done all. The thing goes on. Beautiful family. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 15:37:21 2009 Received: (qmail 24740 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 13:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 13:37:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3AFE1822B for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287ADE240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBA219E842 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:37:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D0D19E843 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:37:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f214.google.com (mail-fx0-f214.google.com [209.85.220.214]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so1697185fxm.7 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:37:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.64.196 with SMTP id f4mr5053504bki.151.1247492234041; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:37:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907130517i5f9780f9x872112257cee3b15@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0907122007v66960671p63d0c808fcf617f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A5AAE5B.3000606@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0907130517i5f9780f9x872112257cee3b15@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:37:13 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 431f1a77190a1f20 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 15:37:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b3891166536107113666 > > Not bad. At 6'2" I'm used to being taller than most people, even > though on Isle Royale I was the short guy. I'm still grateful to Bill > Barber for bringing his DZ 7-14, even though I had a hard time prying > it out of Ken's hands. I don't think I'd have toted such a heavy lens > into the wild, and he did it just to be a nice guy, which he surely > is. > That was interesting how all four of us were tall. As to the 7-14, I used it all of maybe 20 minutes. I couldn't stand to even look upon it more than that because of severe lens-lust. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 16:25:04 2009 Received: (qmail 6191 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 14:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 14:25:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31056E182E1 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD254E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF86019E936 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DB219E773 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f183.google.com (mail-yx0-f183.google.com [209.85.210.183]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe13 with SMTP id 13so4028003yxe.22 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:24:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.255.17 with SMTP id c17mr7148593ani.188.1247495095518; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:24:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9e908c1f0907122007v66960671p63d0c808fcf617f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A5AAE5B.3000606@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0907130517i5f9780f9x872112257cee3b15@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:24:55 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907130724v5f2a8b63j1e9d182908046c4b@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 16:25:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b43c0122221234514069 On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Not bad. =A0At 6'2" I'm used to being taller than most people, even >> though on Isle Royale I was the short guy. =A0I'm still grateful to Bill >> Barber for bringing his DZ 7-14, even though I had a hard time prying >> it out of Ken's hands. =A0I don't think I'd have toted such a heavy lens >> into the wild, and he did it just to be a nice guy, which he surely >> is. >> > > That was interesting how all four of us were tall. > > As to the 7-14, I used it all of maybe 20 minutes. =A0I couldn't stand to= even > look upon it more than that because of severe lens-lust. > > AG It's quite interesting how much relative value is in the E-system in that you can get a 7-14 + 620 body for less than a D5MkII body alone, and the price of the lens on B&H seems to have gone up about $100 IIRC. I was at a wedding over the weekend and did a lot of shooting with the E-3 from the edges. Invariably I have a conversation at these things about camera gear. My young nephew is thinking about getting a DSLR, etc. He hadn't heard about Olympus, was thinking about an XTii , etc. Perhaps it's a disservice not to steer him to one of the Bigs, but they look at the cost difference and can't help but be compelled to look further. I'm not doing anything to sell Olympus other than hold it up to my face. I've got a friend at work and I honestly tried to be as impartial as I could and even told him that many smart erstwhile Olympus partisans see 4/3 as a dead end decision, but he wouldn't be deterred. He got a used 500 and then a 510 and has now started working his way back into OM. He shot a roll with an OM10 I gave him and was blown away. Since then he's bought an OM-2 and OM-2S. Maybe we're all in a fool's paradise, but he's having a ball and making very nice images. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 16:38:46 2009 Received: (qmail 24448 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 14:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 14:38:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C758E181B1 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461C9E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3898719E9F8 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:38:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDE419EA17 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:38:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f183.google.com (mail-yx0-f183.google.com [209.85.210.183]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe13 with SMTP id 13so4043275yxe.22 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:38:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.92.8 with SMTP id p8mr7192082anb.166.1247495918998; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:38:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:38:38 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 16:38:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b46f632675683411216 On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Not so long ago Olympus was talking about a planned 12 MP maximum for > the 4/3 sensor. =A0If you read the test of the DZ 50/2 you can see exactly > where the 12 MP maximum comes from. =A0At f/4.5 the lens is resolving 1500 > line pairs vertically toward the outside and about 1600 dead center. > Come off f/4.5 though and resolution starts to drop. =A0A 4/3 sensor that > can resolve 1500 line pairs vertically has pixel dimensions of 3000 x > 4000 or... 12 MP. > > Since the DZ 50/2 must be one of the better lenses, if it can't go > beyond 12 MP it doesn't make much sense to go to even smaller pixels. > The same is true in the Canyon camp. =A0I suspect that there are precious > few lenses that can resolve the 15 MP of the 50D sensor and the same > holds for the 21 MP sensor of the 5D Mk II (although the 50/1.4 can do > it across the full sensor at f/5.6-f/8 but not above or below that). > > So, the sensors are now outresolving the lenses and even the best > lenses. =A0I guess we don't need any more pixels... but that won't prevent > the manufacturers from giving us more. =A0:-) I will share this with a relative who bought a 5DmkII when they first came out. He shoots at the half resolution setting, mainly because he didn't want to double his file storage instantly and didn't think he needed it for his purposes. It sounds like he really doesn't need it. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 16:55:59 2009 Received: (qmail 9654 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 14:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 14:55:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F262E182F2 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CEBE240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFC034AC030 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:55:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7A434AC029 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:55:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <27313710.3191247497680559.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-204-173.wbs.co.za ([41.208.204.173]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 326 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:08:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <380-220097113132715703@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:55:44 +0200 References: <380-220097113132715703@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] British Journal of Photography - Fujifilm terminates FujicolorPro film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 16:55:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b4aff295832439112457 That's right. It's a pity in a way, it's a very nice film in 6x7cm, but I can see how in today's world an ISO800 slide film is really servicing an extreme niche market (since all people serious about film photography do it for the quality, and would thus be using ISO 100-400 films, and usually tripods), especially since they have the 400X which pushes very well to 800 in anyway. If Fuji ever stopped making film, I would slip into a deep depression. On 13 Jul 2009, at 3:27 PM, jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > I I am reading this right they are only gettting rid of the > professonal 800 > speed film. > John -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 17:11:18 2009 Received: (qmail 31580 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 15:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 15:11:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACE6E182CA for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BD6E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2982434AC062 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:11:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9E234AC029 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:11:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f228.google.com (mail-fx0-f228.google.com [209.85.220.228]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm28 with SMTP id 28so216497fxm.14 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:11:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.79.20 with SMTP id n20mr5249194bkk.78.1247497871109; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:11:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <27313710.3191247497680559.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <380-220097113132715703@earthlink.net> <27313710.3191247497680559.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:11:11 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7fbb736b7aad9a93 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] British Journal of Photography - Fujifilm terminates FujicolorPro film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 17:11:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b4e96273391612113968 I used to shoot quite a bit of NPZ ten years ago. Amazing film, but digital definitely killed it. Oh, that and the fact that Superia/Press 800 is actually quite good and a bit more, uh, stable. Kodak Portra 800's newest formulation is definitely worthy of consideration and holds skintones a little better. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 17:18:05 2009 Received: (qmail 13460 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 15:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 15:18:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F7EE182E3 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C598E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4846E3610004 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:17:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E1334AC030 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:17:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so456300fga.13 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:17:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.148.12 with SMTP id d12mr463261hbb.152.1247498277669; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:17:57 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] A dull weekend shooting aeroplanes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 17:18:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b502d89531342116753 With an E-3, that is. It was RNAS Yeovilton's annual air day on Saturday, and as I haven't been to an air show for about 15 years and we were promised a flying Vulcan and a Vampire, I thought I'd better go along. Alas neither of those flew for technical and weather reasons. In fact, there was so much low cloud that very little apart from the helicopters could do their display. Anyway, here's what I managed to capture, using a 40-150 for the flying and 14-54 plus (occasionally) 7-14) for the static displays. http://picasaweb.google.com/ian.a.nichols/YeoviltonAirDay2009# -- Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 17:22:37 2009 Received: (qmail 23676 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 15:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 15:22:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4727EDC039 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69892E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB8419EB84 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:22:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6053E19E5AD for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:22:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so550867bwz.14 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:22:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.120.16 with SMTP id b16mr5347158bkr.64.1247498548087; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:22:28 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 95666cd480e1861d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Film buying and shameless plug X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 17:22:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b513d311721136683642 I just bought a bunch of film from B&H for an upcoming trip. I had a rather interesting surprise as I was trying to get the best deals. First of all, even though it isn't my favorite film and I've trash-talked it lately, it isn't a bad film at all--actually more "usable" than my favorite. Provia 100F (Import) is $4.99 a roll. Velvia 100 was $6.25. I bought a bunch of both. Oh, and Astia 100F is $5.80. Fuji Processing Mailers are $24.95 for a pack of five. But what really sent me over the top was being able to get a film, which I've used and it's OK--not the world's best, but still more than acceptable. Fuji Neopan 100 36-exposure rolls are $2.29 each! That's less than half the price of Kodak and Ilford films! As to the "shameless plug"... if you click on the big banner add in the margin on the www.zone-10.com website, we do get a few pennies on the sale. It is much appreciated. Our thanks to those who have been doing this all along. We have ads for B&H and Calumet. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 17:25:20 2009 Received: (qmail 11933 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 15:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 15:25:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89259EDC034 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291FDE240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D0B34AC030 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:25:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9E834AC02F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ed.sawyer@unh.edu whitelisted) Received: from exchange.unh.edu (mako.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skate.ad.unh.edu ([169.254.3.45]) by mako.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.5]) with mapi; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:25:11 -0400 From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: "olympus@thomasclausen.net" Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:25:10 -0400 Thread-Topic: film for lens tests Thread-Index: AcoAfmpdyjxU3OHfSHKo8a5l18y59QDT1AHg Message-ID: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D9916DA2846A5@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 17:25:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b51e094221220213263 Carlos - Technidol is still available a few places if you look hard enough. I bought a case of it a few months back, w/o too much effort. The film is even easier to find (ebay) and keeps well. Barring technidol, Photographer's Formulary have other normal-contrast developers that work well with TP. Technidol keeps quite well actually, it's in liquid form inside mylar packets, well sealed in a vacuum. So, in effect it keeps better than most any other developer I can think of. Ektar 100 is great, the best currently-available color neg film available, I think. Grain is almost as good as Ektar 25 (Some say it's AS good). -Ed -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 17:38:08 2009 Received: (qmail 17515 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 15:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 15:38:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0258E18309 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5203EE240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EDA34AC062 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:37:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B2834AC02F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:37:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a5b548dff; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:36:55 -0400 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.ced.5d5496f0 (39331) for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:36:40 -0400 (EDT) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:36:40 EDT To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5006 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 17:38:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b54e0302985368819438 In a message dated 7/12/2009 10:41:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: You think Bill Barber (aka NSURIT) will vouch for us? Joel is definitely a better photographer than me. Yes, Ken, but you are better looking and that might count for something. If you would bring the 3 Ti and 35-80mm f2.8 to Texas, it would save Chris and me from having to make that long road trip. <{B^) Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 18:06:39 2009 Received: (qmail 9889 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 16:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 16:06:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC8BE182AD for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C917DE240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B768E19ED4A for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:06:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6E119EC62 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:06:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f228.google.com (mail-fx0-f228.google.com [209.85.220.228]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm28 with SMTP id 28so253375fxm.14 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:06:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.12 with SMTP id t12mr5321569bkq.158.1247501192595; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:06:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:06:32 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d11e94cae54d01f9 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 18:06:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b5b8f126501879814018 > > If you would bring the 3 Ti and 35-80mm f2.8 to Texas, it would save Chris > and me from having to make that long road trip. Uh, well, I think we have our answer on Texas, now.... AG (go west, young man) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 18:32:20 2009 Received: (qmail 12995 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 16:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 16:32:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0775EE18236 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CAEE240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DADA34AC062 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:32:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7647634AC03F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:32:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:32:08 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n6DGW4Ib002207 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:32:06 GMT Message-ID: <498909A0D966430EB882C34AAB3BF5FF@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:32:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] A dull weekend shooting aeroplanes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 18:32:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b6194277456789618724 Nice captures on a poor day. Thanks for sharing them with us. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: [OM] A dull weekend shooting aeroplanes > With an E-3, that is. It was RNAS Yeovilton's annual air day on > Saturday, and as I haven't been to an air show for about 15 years and > we were promised a flying Vulcan and a Vampire, I thought I'd better > go along. Alas neither of those flew for technical and weather > reasons. In fact, there was so much low cloud that very little apart > from the helicopters could do their display. Anyway, here's what I > managed to capture, using a 40-150 for the flying and 14-54 plus > (occasionally) 7-14) for the static displays. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ian.a.nichols/YeoviltonAirDay2009# > > -- > Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience > prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* > naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is > no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. > > -Daria Morgendorffer > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 19:06:58 2009 Received: (qmail 1486 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 17:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 17:06:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABF0E1831E for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F6AE240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEEF34AC062 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:06:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A1834AC030 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:06:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from blnmtfh2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:06:45 -0700 (PDT) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6Nf5hcBLAAAA:8 a=izuBPWwnBbfFmbRS8H4A:9 a=zB-nwMdO9q9YsL_5qNUA:7 a=xhrkivLpEJ2LThQIxXMzp8JrwAYA:4 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtfh2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:3623] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtfh2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id CA/3D-23354-4A96B5A4; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:06:44 +0000 Message-ID: <4A5B699F.2000902@bresnan.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:06:39 -0600 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> <4A58C44E.8070503@bresnan.net> <4A5B300E.6030609@verizon.net> <7F63A4D2EE164015B3708CDBD9422C50@hudson> In-Reply-To: <7F63A4D2EE164015B3708CDBD9422C50@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 19:06:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b69b2312661357919056 LOL! According to the link below, chapette is apparently correct. :-) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chappette Candace John Hudson wrote: > Congratulations Chris ! But no one so far I think has offered > congratulations to Granny so congratulations to Mrs Chris as well. > > Being curious, I'd like to know what the proper list greeting would be for > lady "Chaps". Since Candace Lemmar has chimed in I am wondering if Chaps and > Chapettes would be considered proper. > > jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 19:42:30 2009 Received: (qmail 25882 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 17:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 17:42:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FD5E182D1 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90655E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7885034AC02F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:42:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6870234AC081 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:42:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD17461639 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:06:01 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <2861D94F-BE5E-481B-ADEE-7F66160DF6D7@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:42:10 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A dull weekend shooting aeroplanes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 19:42:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b7206206971342116753 Thanks, Ian. But what about the Typhoon, or was the weather too bad? I understand the attraction of a Vulcan display, but for me it's the most dreadful waste of AVTUR (jet fuel). The blasted thing takes huge amounts of money to keep flying and it is the most ghastly relic of the Cold War. All my colleagues who went to the Vulcan couldn't wait to get out of it, so dreadful was the thing thing to fly. One of our AEF pilots, Paul Milliken, used to fly the display during the early 90s, and it looked pretty dangerous then, a huge beast like that doing a wingover: the inside wing is almost stationary, and when a lifting surface comes to a halt there is no lift ... But the ladies like the shape, and I suppose noise counts for a lot in a display :-) I like the exposure and composition of many of your shots, Ian. Well done with the Black Cats (never heard of them before!) and the Merlin shot (nice helo). Finally, wouldn't you have hated to be a navigator in the Vixen, that little bubble behind and to the side of the pilot; not as bad as being one of the rear crew in the dark hole at the back of the Vulcan cockpit, though. Chris On 13 Jul 2009, at 16:17, Ian Nichols wrote: > With an E-3, that is. It was RNAS Yeovilton's annual air day on > Saturday, and as I haven't been to an air show for about 15 years and > we were promised a flying Vulcan and a Vampire, I thought I'd better > go along. Alas neither of those flew for technical and weather > reasons. In fact, there was so much low cloud that very little apart > from the helicopters could do their display. Anyway, here's what I > managed to capture, using a 40-150 for the flying and 14-54 plus > (occasionally) 7-14) for the static displays. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ian.a.nichols/YeoviltonAirDay2009# -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 19:43:27 2009 Received: (qmail 19276 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 17:43:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 17:43:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941C2E182E6 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01565E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58FC19EC93 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:43:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9792719EE34 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:43:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FA2461639 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:07:08 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <59552AF0-097A-4A54-B35A-1E51F25C2703@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7F63A4D2EE164015B3708CDBD9422C50@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:43:17 +0100 References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> <4A58C44E.8070503@bresnan.net> <4A5B300E.6030609@verizon.net> <7F63A4D2EE164015B3708CDBD9422C50@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 19:43:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b723f242361076813867 Thanks, John, and on behalf of Grandma ("Nana-Ju"). "Chapess" was what Eric Morecambe always said ... Chris On 13 Jul 2009, at 14:10, John Hudson wrote: > Congratulations Chris ! But no one so far I think has offered > congratulations to Granny so congratulations to Mrs Chris as well. > > Being curious, I'd like to know what the proper list greeting would > be for > lady "Chaps". Since Candace Lemmar has chimed in I am wondering if > Chaps and > Chapettes would be considered proper. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 19:45:03 2009 Received: (qmail 13380 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 17:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 17:45:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2ECE182C9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2107E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A4A19EEC3 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:44:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BE319EEBF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:44:54 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71E7461639 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:08:43 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <92F3454B-54A8-4149-AE63-B6F4F9341C36@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907130634y1a55957me1051edd578c77e8@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:44:52 +0100 References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0907130634y1a55957me1051edd578c77e8@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 19:45:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b729e73461950411718 Thanks, Joel. My students seem to be the most impressed, particularly the girls. I suppose that my being a grandfather makes me older than I had been hereuntofore (:-)). I am now 55, but I feel much younger, especially when sitting in the sunshine with a couple of decent beers inside me ... :-) Chris On 13 Jul 2009, at 14:34, Joel Wilcox wrote: >> I thought that some of you might like to be reminded of how small a >> small person can be, a week old. >> >> http://bit.ly/unnQt > > Well done all. The thing goes on. > > Beautiful family. > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 19:46:03 2009 Received: (qmail 24346 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 17:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 17:46:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B07E182B7 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EF5E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C04734AC078 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:45:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132BC3610004 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:45:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06BD4615EA for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:09:12 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4F62B654-6713-41B8-BF52-C29196643409@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A5B300E.6030609@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:45:21 +0100 References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> <4A58C44E.8070503@bresnan.net> <4A5B300E.6030609@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 19:46:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b72db268241006886880 Thanks a lot, John. Chris On 13 Jul 2009, at 14:01, John Hermanson wrote: > What a cute little baby, congratulations Chris! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 19:46:46 2009 Received: (qmail 12205 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 17:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 17:46:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B50E182EE for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175C6E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B28134AC078 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:46:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD1D34AC03F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:46:15 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90C44615B1 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:10:05 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4BACD999-F8CF-4C76-989C-1618A0D5B9CD@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:46:14 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 19:46:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b7306161901234514069 Thanks, Jason. BNP Paribas certainly insist on a great number of footnotes to their emails! Chris On 13 Jul 2009, at 09:30, jason.gidden@uk.bnpparibas.com wrote: > Congratulations Chris, glad to hear everything went well. > > Jason. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 20:01:35 2009 Received: (qmail 510 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 18:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 18:01:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1D2EDC02C for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1B8E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEE534AC07B for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:01:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBC734AC062 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:01:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16909 invoked by uid 504); 13 Jul 2009 18:01:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090712-0, 07/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Polarizing filter tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 20:01:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b767f159541950411718 Recently posted link on the Kiron-Klub mail list. It's extensive tests of many brands (and models within brand) of polarizer. Of interest is the high showing of the Marumi brand which is considerably cheaper than, say, K+W. The tester is in Poland. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 20:05:22 2009 Received: (qmail 18863 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 18:05:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 18:05:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426E0EDC014 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AB2E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B1819EDD8 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:04:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431B819EDA3 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:04:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f228.google.com (mail-fx0-f228.google.com [209.85.220.228]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm28 with SMTP id 28so324055fxm.14 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:04:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.116.203 with SMTP id n11mr2348168faq.13.1247508292181; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:04:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2861D94F-BE5E-481B-ADEE-7F66160DF6D7@threeshoes.net> References: <2861D94F-BE5E-481B-ADEE-7F66160DF6D7@threeshoes.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:04:52 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] A dull weekend shooting aeroplanes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 20:05:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b7762308091342116753 2009/7/13 Chris Barker : > Thanks, Ian. =A0But what about the Typhoon, or was the weather too bad? The Typhoon's display slot coincided with a spell of particularly low cloud, so he didn't go up, which was a shame. English weather, eh? only thing that could let the French upstage the RAF ;) Well, we were very grateful to the Rafale pilot for his brief but spirited "weather check" during one of the slightly-less-low cloud periods, which consisted of a couple of fast flypasts, quite sharp left/right turn sequences (v. impressive roll rate!) then landing again. > I understand the attraction of a Vulcan display, but for me it's the > most dreadful waste of AVTUR (jet fuel). =A0The blasted thing takes huge > amounts of money to keep flying and it is the most ghastly relic of > the Cold War. =A0All my colleagues who went to the Vulcan couldn't wait > to get out of it, so dreadful was the thing thing to fly. None of that surprises me at all, actually, but it is an impressive beast to watch. > But the ladies like the shape, and I suppose noise counts for a lot in > a display :-) And photographers like the shape & size because it fills the frame even with a modest telephoto ;) > I like the exposure and composition of many of your shots, Ian. =A0Well > done with the Black Cats (never heard of them before!) and the Merlin > shot (nice helo). It says here that they've only been around since 2001 and adopted the name in 2004. They're from 702 NAS, based at Yeovilton, whose squadron crest is a black cat. My personal favourite is the one of the little Wasp caught in the transition from a hover facing the crowd to forward flight along the crowd line left-right... with the Vulcan bottom right. > Finally, wouldn't you have hated to be a navigator in the Vixen, that > little bubble behind and to the side of the pilot; At least you'd get to see some scenery in the turns. Must see about catching up with that Vampire later in the season - there's a photo competition with a ride in the second seat as the prize. -- = Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 20:27:16 2009 Received: (qmail 16582 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 18:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 18:27:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C977E182EF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73783E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664C234AC078 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:27:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF4C34AC07C for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:27:00 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 28 days 22:51:18 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-49-199.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.49.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6DIQsT6006495 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:26:56 -0300 Message-ID: <4A5B7C73.3030005@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:26:59 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <380-220097113132715703@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <380-220097113132715703@earthlink.net> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] British Journal of Photography - Fujifilm terminates FujicolorPro film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 20:27:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b7c8490381220213263 Yes, they are only getting rid of that one, for the sake of other types. That's the good news: "Sales of our colour negative and transparency films are doing very well". Sorry if this was rather naive of me to post. Fernando. jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > I I am reading this right they are only gettting rid of the professonal 800 > speed film. > John > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 20:40:20 2009 Received: (qmail 30860 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 18:40:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 18:40:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F38EE182F3 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED421E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6B119F2BD for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:40:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154C519F2B1 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:40:14 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18233 invoked by uid 504); 13 Jul 2009 18:40:13 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 Jul 2009 18:40:13 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:40:12 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090713-0, 07/13/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 20:40:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b7f94168441076813867 What got me on this point to begin with was DPreview's test of the Canon 70-200/2.8L which is one of the more revered zooms in Canon's stable. Check this page which is the test of that lens on a 5D body. Use the aperture slider and watch the resolution graph change. Only at f/5.6 to f/11 is the 70-200 able to equal or slightly exceed the 12.7 megapixels of the 5D sensor (represented by the line labeled "Nyquist frequency"). Below f/5.6 some irregular things start happening and above f/11 diffraction begins its steady toll against resolution. So, if this lens can just barely handle a 5D it certainly can't handle the pixel density of a 50D (15 MP on an APS-C size sensor). At f/5.6 to f/8 the 5D Mk II will pull a bit more out of the lens than the 5D but not a great deal. To utilize the resolving power of the 5D Mk II you need very good primes. Here you can see that the 50/1.4 can resolve to the level of the 1Ds Mk III (21 MP, like the 5D Mk II) at f/5.6 to f/8 (but not elsewhere). Quite apart from noise, one reason to want a camera with larger pixels is to be able to find a lens that can resolve to the level of the sensor. Little pixels just make the job harder on the lens. That said, it's also easier to make a lens that resolves little pixels if the sensor is small and the lens doesn't have to cover a large area. Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Chuck > Norcutt wrote: >> Not so long ago Olympus was talking about a planned 12 MP maximum for >> the 4/3 sensor. If you read the test of the DZ 50/2 you can see exactly >> where the 12 MP maximum comes from. At f/4.5 the lens is resolving 1500 >> line pairs vertically toward the outside and about 1600 dead center. >> Come off f/4.5 though and resolution starts to drop. A 4/3 sensor that >> can resolve 1500 line pairs vertically has pixel dimensions of 3000 x >> 4000 or... 12 MP. >> >> Since the DZ 50/2 must be one of the better lenses, if it can't go >> beyond 12 MP it doesn't make much sense to go to even smaller pixels. >> The same is true in the Canyon camp. I suspect that there are precious >> few lenses that can resolve the 15 MP of the 50D sensor and the same >> holds for the 21 MP sensor of the 5D Mk II (although the 50/1.4 can do >> it across the full sensor at f/5.6-f/8 but not above or below that). >> >> So, the sensors are now outresolving the lenses and even the best >> lenses. I guess we don't need any more pixels... but that won't prevent >> the manufacturers from giving us more. :-) > > I will share this with a relative who bought a 5DmkII when they first > came out. He shoots at the half resolution setting, mainly because he > didn't want to double his file storage instantly and didn't think he > needed it for his purposes. It sounds like he really doesn't need it. > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 20:46:38 2009 Received: (qmail 4710 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 18:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 18:46:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D57E182D4 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F10E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1514619F31D for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:46:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796AC19F32E for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:46:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23669 invoked by uid 504); 13 Jul 2009 18:46:28 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090713-0, 07/13/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] A dull weekend shooting aeroplanes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 20:46:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b810e67841413256596 Thanks. You've got some nice stuff there. I was momentarily startled by the helicopter "assault" operation. At least that's what it looked like. Chuck Norcutt Ian Nichols wrote: > With an E-3, that is. It was RNAS Yeovilton's annual air day on > Saturday, and as I haven't been to an air show for about 15 years and > we were promised a flying Vulcan and a Vampire, I thought I'd better > go along. Alas neither of those flew for technical and weather > reasons. In fact, there was so much low cloud that very little apart > from the helicopters could do their display. Anyway, here's what I > managed to capture, using a 40-150 for the flying and 14-54 plus > (occasionally) 7-14) for the static displays. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/ian.a.nichols/YeoviltonAirDay2009# > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 20:58:45 2009 Received: (qmail 382 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 18:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 18:58:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8612BE182DA for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32168E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2386334AC062 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:58:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3D634AC078 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:58:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3730 invoked by uid 502); 13 Jul 2009 18:58:35 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.202.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 13 Jul 2009 18:58:35 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5B83D3.70206@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:58:27 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0907122007v66960671p63d0c808fcf617f2@mail.gmail.com> <4A5AAE5B.3000606@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0907130517i5f9780f9x872112257cee3b15@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907130517i5f9780f9x872112257cee3b15@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 20:58:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b83e5143204877110844 Joel Wilcox wrote: > > Not bad. At 6'2" I'm used to being taller than most people, even though on Isle Royale I was the short guy. I'm still grateful to Bill Barber for bringing his DZ 7-14, even though I had a hard time prying it out of Ken's hands. I don't think I'd have toted such a heavy lens into the wild, and he did it just to be a nice guy, which he surely > is. > Can't win 'em all,I guess. My impressions must have come partly from Isle Royale images. You've got a couple of inches on me, even if you were the runt of the Isle Royale litter. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 21:20:23 2009 Received: (qmail 19850 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 19:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 19:20:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD6BEDC035 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418C5E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D54419F455 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:20:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ABDE19F448 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:20:13 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f214.google.com (mail-fx0-f214.google.com [209.85.220.214]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so1732fxm.14 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.114.15 with SMTP id c15mr2558409faq.47.1247512810539; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:20:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5B8104.6010404@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A5B8104.6010404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:20:10 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] A dull weekend shooting aeroplanes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 21:20:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b88f7120561744846740 2009/7/13 Chuck Norcutt : > Thanks. =A0You've got some nice stuff there. =A0I was momentarily startled > by the helicopter "assault" operation. =A0At least that's what it looked = like. They always close the show with something like that - I think it's mostly to entertain the kids in the audience with some bangs and flashes and men abseiling out of helicopters and running about rather than looking realistic, which would be difficult in the confines of an airfield. With less wind and a clearer sky, there's usually parachuting involved too. Obviously they'd have the aircraft well away from the landing zone whilst that happens. -- = Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 22:15:24 2009 Received: (qmail 17341 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 20:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 20:15:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C691AEDC00E for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A29E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56C719F70C for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:15:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999E319F6D3 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:15:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f214.google.com (mail-fx0-f214.google.com [209.85.220.214]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so31750fxm.14 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:15:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.120.16 with SMTP id b16mr5608021bkr.64.1247516114626; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:15:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A5B8104.6010404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:15:14 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 286ad5b9e9dc2e0d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A dull weekend shooting aeroplanes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 22:15:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b95dc182931560218263 > > Obviously they'd have the aircraft well > away from the landing zone whilst that happens. > The World Freefall Convention (RIP) used to be held in Quincy, Illinois, when I was living there. It was absolutely insane--you'd have skydivers landing ON THE RUNWAY while flight-ops were going on. Stupid. How we ever survived without mid-air collisions is beyond me. There were always some drunk and naked skydivers aiming for the intersection of the two runways. There was a recommended "landing zone", but the only ones using it were the registered jump schools. Of course, a large number of divers never actually landed back at the airport, but instead would emerge from farm fields like a cross between "Children of the Corn" and "Field of Dreams". BTW, you've seen nothing until you seen a packed 727 empty out in-flight within seconds. Years ago, at the Paris Air Show, I saw a flight demonstration of a helicopter swinging a Volkswagon around. I thought it was my imagination, but my dad confirmed it recently. They actually had it all inverted--the helicopter was upside-down and the car was swung out above it. Without the car they were doing rolls and loops with the helicopter. This was also the year the F16 was first demonstrated in earnest. On the takeoff roll the plane went vertical at the halfway point down the runway, it climbed straight up before doing what looked like a hammerhead, then came screaming back down to earth in the ascent's smoke trail, then pulled to horizontal at the last possible second, continuing down the rest of the runway at no more than 200' altitude. The entire routine looked like something straight out of a Leo Laudenslager routine. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 22:29:47 2009 Received: (qmail 1933 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 20:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 20:29:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656D1E182DA for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21508E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107E319F7CA for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:29:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D8F19F7D2 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:29:39 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f183.google.com (mail-yx0-f183.google.com [209.85.210.183]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe13 with SMTP id 13so4421379yxe.22 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:29:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.107.8 with SMTP id f8mr7777663anc.149.1247516978046; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:29:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:29:37 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907131329p64bd2940n721da2b67b87f376@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 22:29:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5b993b149201006886880 Thanks. This just strikes me as very interesting -- a good reality check. Joel W. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > What got me on this point to begin with was DPreview's test of the Canon > 70-200/2.8L which is one of the more revered zooms in Canon's stable. > Check this page which is the test of that lens on a 5D body. > > Use the aperture slider and watch the resolution graph change. Only at > f/5.6 to f/11 is the 70-200 able to equal or slightly exceed the 12.7 > megapixels of the 5D sensor (represented by the line labeled "Nyquist > frequency"). =A0Below f/5.6 some irregular things start happening and > above f/11 diffraction begins its steady toll against resolution. =A0So, > if this lens can just barely handle a 5D it certainly can't handle the > pixel density of a 50D (15 MP on an APS-C size sensor). =A0At f/5.6 to f/8 > the 5D Mk II will pull a bit more out of the lens than the 5D but not a > great deal. =A0To utilize the resolving power of the 5D Mk II you need > very good primes. =A0Here you can see that the 50/1.4 can resolve to the > level of the 1Ds Mk III (21 MP, like the 5D Mk II) at f/5.6 to f/8 (but > not elsewhere). > > Quite apart from noise, one reason to want a camera with larger pixels > is to be able to find a lens that can resolve to the level of the > sensor. =A0Little pixels just make the job harder on the lens. =A0That sa= id, > it's also easier to make a lens that resolves little pixels if the > sensor is small and the lens doesn't have to cover a large area. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Chuck >> Norcutt wrote: >>> Not so long ago Olympus was talking about a planned 12 MP maximum for >>> the 4/3 sensor. =A0If you read the test of the DZ 50/2 you can see exac= tly >>> where the 12 MP maximum comes from. =A0At f/4.5 the lens is resolving 1= 500 >>> line pairs vertically toward the outside and about 1600 dead center. >>> Come off f/4.5 though and resolution starts to drop. =A0A 4/3 sensor th= at >>> can resolve 1500 line pairs vertically has pixel dimensions of 3000 x >>> 4000 or... 12 MP. >>> >>> Since the DZ 50/2 must be one of the better lenses, if it can't go >>> beyond 12 MP it doesn't make much sense to go to even smaller pixels. >>> The same is true in the Canyon camp. =A0I suspect that there are precio= us >>> few lenses that can resolve the 15 MP of the 50D sensor and the same >>> holds for the 21 MP sensor of the 5D Mk II (although the 50/1.4 can do >>> it across the full sensor at f/5.6-f/8 but not above or below that). >>> >>> So, the sensors are now outresolving the lenses and even the best >>> lenses. =A0I guess we don't need any more pixels... but that won't prev= ent >>> the manufacturers from giving us more. =A0:-) >> >> I will share this with a relative who bought a 5DmkII when they first >> came out. =A0He shoots at the half resolution setting, mainly because he >> didn't want to double his file storage instantly and didn't think he >> needed it for his purposes. =A0It sounds like he really doesn't need it. >> >> Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 23:35:51 2009 Received: (qmail 2066 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 21:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 21:35:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C2EE182D0 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC7CE240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBAB19F920 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:35:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5B319F916 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:35:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so760905bwz.14 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:35:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.73.12 with SMTP id o12mr5633888bkj.80.1247520941210; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:35:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907131329p64bd2940n721da2b67b87f376@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907131329p64bd2940n721da2b67b87f376@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:35:41 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 302a43c090b5859e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 23:35:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5ba8b6310755683411216 Well, I disagree in one aspect. It takes a minimum of twice the sensor resolution to maximize lens resolution--and that's when the res chart is perfectly aligned with the sensor. What about diagonal details? Sorry, you need much more sensor resolution than what the lens is capable of producing. But to what end? Will I feel inferior at the scenic overlook because I don't have a 5Dmk2? Will I be so distraught over the limitations of my equipment that I'll give up photography? Nonsense! If my lowly E-1 can produce nearly perfect 11x14 prints, from a resolution perspective, why worry? Even the E-1 is usually more capable than this photographer and the output (prints) are the limiting technology. Sure, there are upward limits on how big you can print before the technical aspects of the image start to deteriorate, but just maybe I need to focus less on technical aspects and more on artistic aspects. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Jul 13 23:54:15 2009 Received: (qmail 30106 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 21:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 21:54:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011B0EDC034 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691D4E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1537934AC07C for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:54:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1C934AC07B for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KMQ000X5Q68AZ02@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:54:08 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-138-10-106.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.138.10.106]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:54:08 -0300 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:54:08 -0300 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnILANdJW0oYigpq/2dsb2JhbACBS4k4xGQJhAAF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,392,1243825200"; d="scan'208";a="23782860" X-EsetScannerBuild: 5251 References: <178DD7B9-F302-4B43-98BA-CE0AC04FB490@frozenlight.eu> <3CF3D3F0-5C9F-4854-A516-45402142A6F9@threeshoes.net> <173BC8171C3E451FB680091746CD5822@hudson> <1DE0FE3D-5669-472C-95EF-52F60550493B@frozenlight.eu> Subject: [OM] Newfoundland, Canada X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jul 13 23:54:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5bad0763625368819438 Has anyone on the list been to Newfoundland recently and would be willing to share some on-line images with me? My wife has suggested a two week vacation on the Rock this coming September which has got me quite enthused. jh __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4240 (20090713) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 00:08:00 2009 Received: (qmail 21333 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 22:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 22:07:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0793EE181B1 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE11E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A10534AC07D for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:07:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B688534AC07B for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30164 invoked by uid 504); 13 Jul 2009 22:07:48 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 13 Jul 2009 22:07:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5BB033.2060607@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:07:47 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907131329p64bd2940n721da2b67b87f376@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090713-0, 07/13/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 00:08:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5bb040218021879814018 Read more closely. The resolution chart is specified in line *pairs* per picture height. And you are perfectly free to continue pursuing artistic aspects. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > Well, I disagree in one aspect. It takes a minimum of twice the sensor > resolution to maximize lens resolution--and that's when the res chart is > perfectly aligned with the sensor. What about diagonal details? Sorry, you > need much more sensor resolution than what the lens is capable of producing. > > But to what end? Will I feel inferior at the scenic overlook because I > don't have a 5Dmk2? Will I be so distraught over the limitations of my > equipment that I'll give up photography? > > Nonsense! If my lowly E-1 can produce nearly perfect 11x14 prints, from a > resolution perspective, why worry? Even the E-1 is usually more capable > than this photographer and the output (prints) are the limiting technology. > Sure, there are upward limits on how big you can print before the technical > aspects of the image start to deteriorate, but just maybe I need to focus > less on technical aspects and more on artistic aspects. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 00:54:20 2009 Received: (qmail 23059 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 22:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 22:54:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69271E182B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B12E240B9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300EB34AC07B for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:54:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89CB34AC029 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:54:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so791308bwz.14 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:54:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.114.15 with SMTP id c15mr2711340faq.47.1247525643910; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:54:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A5B8104.6010404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:54:03 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] A dull weekend shooting aeroplanes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 00:54:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5bbb1c8792439112457 2009/7/13 Ken Norton : > Years ago, at the Paris Air Show, I saw a flight demonstration of a > helicopter swinging a Volkswagon around. =A0I thought it was my imaginati= on, > but my dad confirmed it recently. =A0They actually had it all inverted--t= he > helicopter was upside-down and the car was swung out above it. =A0Without= the > car they were doing rolls and loops with the helicopter. =A0This was also= the > year the F16 was first demonstrated in earnest. I wonder if that was an early appearance by a Lynx. They used to make them do loops and it's party trick was a horizontal roll at frighteningly low level and high speed. Not sure if they can carry a VW though. 40 years on and I think they're still the fastest thing with rotating wings. -- = Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 01:27:14 2009 Received: (qmail 20038 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 23:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 23:27:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C8BEDC01C for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF99E24A9E for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D9F34AC07B for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:27:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984F634AC029 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:27:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Unknown-00-22-41-fa-e8-a3.home (host217-42-159-218.range217-42.btcentralplus.com [217.42.159.218]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id FEE06893 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:27:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: [OM] any Londoners taking part in UK Oly night shoot? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 01:27:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5bc2d2254913900897491 http://www.ukphotosafari.org 25-26 July, night shoot in London. Any listees going? I'm thinking of signing up, since in town--would be good to swap toys and stories. /s -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 01:34:36 2009 Received: (qmail 16293 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2009 23:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 23:34:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819C3E182DF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A56E24A9E for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E47619FAD1 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:34:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E54119FAC9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:34:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (deebel@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.144]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so622286eyb.10 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.137.18 with SMTP id k18mr6936345ebd.43.1247528066928; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user4fec106f50 (cpc3-bahd1-0-0-cust443.renf.cable.ntl.com [81.99.1.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm11607496ewy.76.2009.07.13.16.34.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "David Bell" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A5B8104.6010404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:34:18 +0100 Message-ID: <23B338067DF84E069F4C8B4047B1FE79@user4fec106f50> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4A5B8104.6010404@chucknorcutt.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcoD6kIekV9eamtYSrqTp+gU5GSekgAJhhAg Subject: [OM] Parachute Jump X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 01:34:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5bc48c237195034211378 A friend is making a tandem freefall jump with the Red Devils (charity fundraising)and I thought that I would go along and support and take a few pics of the jump. Was planning to use an E-1 with just an OM prime (possibly f5 200) as it is compact and light. Now I have never photographed a parachute jump before, have no knowledge of typical jump heights and elapsed time for the drop. Can anyone give me any tips recommendations, filtration, camera settings etc. I am assuming that there is little cloud cover otherwise the jump would not take place. All help gratefully received. Thanks Dave _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 02:21:02 2009 Received: (qmail 12862 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 00:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 00:21:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0C7E182FA for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934D4E24A9E for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8792434AC07D for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:20:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F62D34AC07B for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 29 days 04:45:13 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-42-15.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.42.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6E0KgXF030150 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:20:42 -0300 Message-ID: <4A5BCF60.1020406@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:20:48 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 02:21:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5bcf6e47496107113666 Amazing. Your conclusions, I mean. At last I got you ! :-) Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > What got me on this point to begin with was DPreview's test of the Canon > 70-200/2.8L which is one of the more revered zooms in Canon's stable. > Check this page which is the test of that lens on a 5D body. > > Use the aperture slider and watch the resolution graph change. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 03:28:11 2009 Received: (qmail 14935 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 01:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 01:28:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B62E182EF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F7FE240DF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5707334AC07D for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:28:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B39534AC07C for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:28:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31258 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 01:27:57 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090713-0, 07/13/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Parachute Jump X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 03:28:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5bdf2b93691342116753 I have no first hand experience with parachute jumping but a little bit of math along with some poorly remembered numbers tells me: If they jump from as high as 10,000 feet and open their chutes at 2,000 feet the free fall portion (that first 8,000 feet) will last about 45 seconds. That's from something in the back of my head that a human body in free fall soon approaches a terminal velocity of about 125 mph. I'm guessing the remaining glide down from 2000 feet will be at 15-30 mph and another 45-90 seconds so the whole thing will not take long even if my estimates are off by a factor of 2. As to exposure, if its mid-day you can probably count on sunny 16 (or maybe it's sunny 11 at UK latitudes. Actually, I just discovered that sunny 11 is the correct rule for 60 degrees north. Maybe the southern part of the UK needs sunny 11-1/2. Alternatively, if you have some blue sky not close to the sun you can just meter the blue sky which makes a pretty good gray card. If the sun is high the jumpers faces may be in shade of the canopy so you might want to open up a bit from the blue sky reading. If you shoot at f/8 the 200/5 on an E-1 should have a hyperfocal distance of 300 meters with everything in focus from 150 meters to infinity. If you prefocus at something about 300 meters distant then you shouldn't have to worry about focusing again until well after the canopy opens. But after they get within 150 meters you'll have to start focusing and focusing fast as they'll presumably coming at you and closing the distance fast. Chuck Norcutt David Bell wrote: > A friend is making a tandem freefall jump with the Red Devils (charity > fundraising)and I thought that I would go along and support and take a few > pics of the jump. Was planning to use an E-1 with just an OM prime (possibly > f5 200) as it is compact and light. > > Now I have never photographed a parachute jump before, have no knowledge of > typical jump heights and elapsed time for the drop. Can anyone give me any > tips recommendations, filtration, camera settings etc. > > I am assuming that there is little cloud cover otherwise the jump would not > take place. > > All help gratefully received. > > Thanks > Dave > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 03:29:56 2009 Received: (qmail 955 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 01:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 01:29:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA72AE182D8 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13244E240DF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FF219FC0F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:29:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA49619FC0D for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:29:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32224 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 01:29:47 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 03:29:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5bdf94181852013633067 Sorry. I didn't understand "At last I got you !" Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > > > Amazing. Your conclusions, I mean. At last I got you ! > > :-) > > Fernando. > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> What got me on this point to begin with was DPreview's test of the Canon >> 70-200/2.8L which is one of the more revered zooms in Canon's stable. >> Check this page which is the test of that lens on a 5D body. >> >> Use the aperture slider and watch the resolution graph change. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 04:13:15 2009 Received: (qmail 6180 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 02:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 02:13:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F35E180B8 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94746E240DF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614AE19FC63 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:13:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.654 required=7 tests=[SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.654] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A3219FC2A for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:13:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: SMTP envelope data boost X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P1); Accepted (Sender first seen 7 mons 29 days 06:37:26 ago / SPF check softfail: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=fgnzalez%40adinet.com.uy&ip=200.40.135.1&receiver=tigertech.net) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-42-15.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.42.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6E2CxMr004906 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:13:00 -0300 Message-ID: <4A5BE9B1.801@adinet.com.uy> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:13:05 -0300 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5BCF60.1020406@adinet.com.uy> <4A5BDF8A.2040300@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A5BDF8A.2040300@chucknorcutt.com> X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@adinet.com.uy Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 04:13:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5be9bb138001006886880 What might have I said :-( !? I tried to mean "At last I could understand you !." HTH Fernando. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Sorry. I didn't understand "At last I got you !" > > Chuck Norcutt > > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > = >> >> >> >> Amazing. Your conclusions, I mean. At last I got you ! >> >> :-) >> >> Fernando. >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> = >>> What got me on this point to begin with was DPreview's test of the Cano= n = >>> 70-200/2.8L which is one of the more revered zooms in Canon's stable. >>> Check this page which is the test of that lens on a 5D body. >>> >>> Use the aperture slider and watch the resolution graph change. = >>> = >> >> = -- = Dr. Fernando Gonz=E1lez Gentile M.D. Av.L.P.Ponce 1526B - 11600 Montevideo, Uruguay. Phone: +598 2 7084858 Fax: +598 2 7087396 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 04:16:36 2009 Received: (qmail 30991 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 02:16:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 02:16:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9BCE182B0 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761F0E240DF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647F519FBC6 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:16:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0686A19FBBF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:16:29 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-vw0-f183.google.com (mail-vw0-f183.google.com [209.85.212.183]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vwj13 with SMTP id 13so2436766vwj.22 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:16:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.93.65 with SMTP id u1mr8238013vcm.58.1247537788279; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:16:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907131329p64bd2940n721da2b67b87f376@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:16:28 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907131916r68e36753q97e567aed96b9723@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 04:16:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5bea84254581950411718 On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Well, I disagree in one aspect. It takes a minimum of twice the sensor > resolution to maximize lens resolution--and that's when the res chart is > perfectly aligned with the sensor. What about diagonal details? =A0Sorry,= you > need much more sensor resolution than what the lens is capable of produci= ng. Are you sure you're not changing the subject a bit here? > But to what end? =A0Will I feel inferior at the scenic overlook because I > don't have a 5Dmk2? =A0Will I be so distraught over the limitations of my > equipment that I'll give up photography? > > Nonsense! =A0If my lowly E-1 can produce nearly perfect 11x14 prints, fro= m a > resolution perspective, why worry? =A0Even the E-1 is usually more capable > than this photographer and the output (prints) are the limiting technolog= y. > Sure, there are upward limits on how big you can print before the technic= al > aspects of the image start to deteriorate, but just maybe I need to focus > less on technical aspects and more on artistic aspects. Now you're definitely changing the subject. Not that I disagree ... Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 04:35:45 2009 Received: (qmail 4131 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 02:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 02:35:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20AF3E18229 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC4EE240DF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617A334AC07F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:35:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D697834AC03F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:35:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22953 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 02:35:36 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 02:35:36 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5BEEF7.6030900@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:35:35 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5BCF60.1020406@adinet.com.uy> <4A5BDF8A.2040300@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5BE9B1.801@adinet.com.uy> In-Reply-To: <4A5BE9B1.801@adinet.com.uy> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090713-0, 07/13/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 04:35:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5bef00215151612113968 No reason for the sad face. You got it correct the first time. Both mean the same. The problem is that "got you" can have many meanings. One is exactly as you thought, meaning "I understood you". But it can also mean "I caught you" meaning I discovered you in a lie or doing something you shouldn't have been doing. Thanks, I'll take the first one. :-) Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > What might have I said :-( !? > > I tried to mean "At last I could understand you !." > > HTH > > Fernando. > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Sorry. I didn't understand "At last I got you !" >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> Amazing. Your conclusions, I mean. At last I got you ! >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> Fernando. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> >>>> What got me on this point to begin with was DPreview's test of the Canon >>>> 70-200/2.8L which is one of the more revered zooms in Canon's stable. >>>> Check this page which is the test of that lens on a 5D body. >>>> >>>> Use the aperture slider and watch the resolution graph change. >>>> >>> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 05:01:20 2009 Received: (qmail 28457 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 03:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 03:01:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF30CE182B5 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4004BE240DF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D54A34AC07D for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:01:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1A834AC062 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:01:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6E315TR025089 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:01:05 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.bc2.4a4d5ad1 (37552) for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.98]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB031-d3d54a5bf4e816a; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:01:03 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-DZ21 (webmail-dz21.sim.aol.com [205.188.185.35]) by smtprly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMC027-d3d54a5bf4e816a; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:00:56 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:00:56 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.216 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43735-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.216 by WEBMAIL-DZ21.sysops.aol.com (205.188.185.35) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:00:56 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBD246714E74DC-DF8-2C3A@WEBMAIL-DZ21.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Polarizing filter tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 05:01:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5bf500292111073733319 Quite interesting, Thanks for the link. Nice methodology but wished they tested five of each type to help assess manufacturing consistency. Mike Recently posted link on the Kiron-Klub mail list. It's extensive tests of many brands (and models within brand) of polarizer. Of interest is the high showing of the Marumi brand which is considerably cheaper than, say, K+W. The tester is in Poland. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 05:55:49 2009 Received: (qmail 10026 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 03:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 03:55:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFE3EDC01C for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF6AE240DF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3DC1CD492 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:55:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADF21CD48C for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:55:41 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10646 invoked by uid 502); 14 Jul 2009 03:55:39 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.202.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 03:55:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5C01B4.3050509@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:55:32 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 05:55:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c01c585195034211378 Joel Wilcox wrote: > > I will share this with a relative who bought a 5DmkII when they first cam= e out. He shoots at the half resolution setting, mainly because he didn't = want to double his file storage instantly and didn't think he needed it for= his purposes. It sounds like he really doesn't need it. > = I don't know about your kin, but I can see several possible reasons to = want a 5dII, even if it had the same old sensor. So ignore the sensor = for a moment. * Dust reduction stuff * Higher ISO with lower noise * Auto ISO (100 - 3200) * Permanent display of ISO on both top plate and viewfinder displays * AF micro adjustment (up to 20 lenses individually) * Three custom modes on command dial, vs. one * Slightly larger viewfinder coverage * 3.0" 920,000 dot LCD monitor with 170=B0 viewing angle * Live View! * No mirror-flip for exposures in Live View if contrast detect AF selected * HD video with full audio, including in Live View. * UDMA CompactFlash support * Optional WFT-E4 WiFi / LAN / USB vertical grip * Water resistance: 10 mm rain in 3 minutes There are other changes/improvements on Canon's list, but these are the = most significant in my view. My point is simply that eevn one of these = might make the difference for some particular users, while the = combination add up to much broader capabilities. So one might look at the larger sensor as a freebie extra that one may = use or not. :-) If I had a lot of spare cash, I'd probably have one. but I'm still = happily shootin' along with the 5D. Moose > Joel W. > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 06:03:12 2009 Received: (qmail 20939 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 04:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 04:03:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BD6E182E3 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBAAE240DF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FFD34AC03F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:03:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBE334AC02F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:03:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so868208bwz.14 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:03:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.129 with SMTP id z1mr5923208bkq.67.1247544186258; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:03:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907131916r68e36753q97e567aed96b9723@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907131329p64bd2940n721da2b67b87f376@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0907131916r68e36753q97e567aed96b9723@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:03:06 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 73fea31e0c0ccc83 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 06:03:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c0380151311073733319 > > Are you sure you're not changing the subject a bit here? > Of course! When was the last time I didn't try to hijack a subject? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 07:09:18 2009 Received: (qmail 22583 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 05:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 05:09:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603C7EDC014 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54260E240DF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4087034AC02F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:09:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709C634AC03F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:09:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n6E5969J031313 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:09:06 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n6E596gw017149 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:09:06 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <1D77A8AF187340A68767E350B77CDDD2@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com><9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:08:59 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 07:09:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c12fe242421950411718 I don't understand how dpreview test the lens' "Nyquist frequency" with a low res 5D. But any day I will take a higher resolution camera if I can justify for the cost, storage memory and processor power, I think I need 40MP at least. Have a look on this test site with 70-200/4 IS, even at F11 I see the result of 1Ds Mark III better than 1Ds Mark II not to mention the 5D. http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?FLI=0&API=0&Lens=404&FLIComp=0&APIComp=3&LensComp=118&CameraComp=9&SampleComp=0&Camera=453 I remember people mentioned the 'aerial resolution' (?) of lenses can over 200lp/mm. And the guy in a Tamron lens site mentioned he seen 100 lines per mm (I'm pretty sure he mean line pair) with a Tamron 24-48 while Modern Photography only seen 50 lines per mm with film, he believe the different is limitation of film. http://www.adaptall-2.com/articles/Resolution_and_Contrast.html I'm with Ken, I believe we need much higher resolution sensor to resolve the details then 2 pixels per line pair consider the details may not be perfectly aligned with sensor. I have a strong feeling that my 24/2 can do better with higher than 21MP sensor. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > What got me on this point to begin with was DPreview's test of the Canon > 70-200/2.8L which is one of the more revered zooms in Canon's stable. > Check this page which is the test of that lens on a 5D body. > > Use the aperture slider and watch the resolution graph change. Only at > f/5.6 to f/11 is the 70-200 able to equal or slightly exceed the 12.7 > megapixels of the 5D sensor (represented by the line labeled "Nyquist > frequency"). Below f/5.6 some irregular things start happening and > above f/11 diffraction begins its steady toll against resolution. So, > if this lens can just barely handle a 5D it certainly can't handle the > pixel density of a 50D (15 MP on an APS-C size sensor). At f/5.6 to f/8 > the 5D Mk II will pull a bit more out of the lens than the 5D but not a > great deal. To utilize the resolving power of the 5D Mk II you need > very good primes. Here you can see that the 50/1.4 can resolve to the > level of the 1Ds Mk III (21 MP, like the 5D Mk II) at f/5.6 to f/8 (but > not elsewhere). > > Quite apart from noise, one reason to want a camera with larger pixels > is to be able to find a lens that can resolve to the level of the > sensor. Little pixels just make the job harder on the lens. That said, > it's also easier to make a lens that resolves little pixels if the > sensor is small and the lens doesn't have to cover a large area. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 07:14:36 2009 Received: (qmail 14190 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 05:14:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 05:14:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD17EDC00B for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2873E240DF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A7D19FD7B for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:14:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A0919FD77 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:14:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30150 invoked by uid 502); 14 Jul 2009 05:14:26 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.202.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 05:14:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5C142B.7060503@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:14:19 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Resolution? Which resolution? [was Value for money?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 07:14:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c143c189781357919056 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > What got me on this point to begin with was DPreview's test of the Canon 70-200/2.8L ... So, if this lens can just barely handle a 5D it certainly can't handle the pixel density of a 50D (15 MP on an APS-C size sensor). At f/5.6 to f/8 the 5D Mk II will pull a bit more out of the lens than the 5D but not a great deal. To utilize the resolving power of the 5D Mk II you need very good primes. ... I'm not sure I agree with your conclusions. I suspect that the following considerations aren't meaningful for the vast majority of actual image making and display. However, for those few working at large magnifications and/or the larger number simply afflicted with terminal technophilia or untreated addiction to pixel peeping, they may be, or at least seem, significant. First, I have issues with coming to such broad conclusions considering the methodology used. 1. Judgments/measurements are made with a camera with AA filter in place. That means one could adapt some industrial super lens capable of resolving much more than the sensor, but the system resolution they measure, while better than regular lenses, would be nowhere near the lens's true ability. As long as there is an intentional bandwidth limiter in the system, no fully meaningful conclusions may be drawn about individual parts. 2. The lppmm standard, while a good method to compare cameras with different sensor sizes, is not ideal for lens comparisons or judgments about lens vs. sensor resolution. 3. A nit pick. How can the system out resolve the "theoretical resolution of the sensor", Nyquist frequency? If theory doesn't agree with practice, why even mention it? My real complaint though is that it gets the reader thinking about absolute limits, in a test environment where they don't exist. There are also a few other considerations that make coming to such conclusions from these test results questionable to me: 1. Back in the area of #1 above, system bandwidth is a complex function of the bandwidths of the components. It's not like hooking a garden hose onto the end of a fire hose, where throughput is strictly a function of pressure and the physical characteristics of the garden hose. Even the formula someone posted a little bit ago is probably too simple in the real world. In addition to which, we don't have the numbers for individual components to plug into it. Increase the resolving power of any one component and system resolution goes up. If the improved component was the poorest, it goes up a lot, but not as much as the % increase in the component. If it was already the broadest component, bandwidth increases only a little. But it does change. 2. These luminance only, test pattern tests don't say a thing about spatial color resolution. If Foveon sensors had fulfilled their apparent potential, this wouldn't be an issue. However, all but a tiny proportion of digital cameras use a Bayer array. So depending on color and directional orientation, the color resolution may be quite a bit less than B&W. Demosaicing algorithms are quite good, but the fact is that only one of the color channels for any pixel is a actual measurement. The rest are interpolated guesses. Since there are a few Foveon sensor cameras about, it's possible to make actual comparisons. The SD14 vs. 5D results convince me that larger Bayer array sensors will have better color IQ than smaller ones, regardless of luminance test target tests. As the lenses we are working with project the magnificence of their images on all sensor sites equally, an improvement in sensor color resolution will show up in visible image quality. 3. There is an unspoken assumption in most web discussions of color accuracy in digicams, but it is wrong. When we talk about sensors, we act like the array filters are at least close to perfect. It just ain't so. Look at the spectral responses of even the best quality photographic filters. They aren't sharp cut-off tools, not even close. How good do you think the gazillions of tiny little, mass deposited Bayer array filter in our cameras are? So the fact is that wavelengths of light falling on sensors are only majority reported by the appropriate sensor sites. There are also minority values misreported by adjacent sensors for other colors, with the amount of error depending on how far the actual color is from the center of the intended sensor for it. I don't know how big these errors are, but suspect that they are significant in an absolute sense. We tend to be unaware of them because we have been viewing the same sort of errors on color film and because nobody is publishing about them. In any case, more, smaller sensors will tend to reduce these errors. 4. No matter what the resolution chart tests say, all digital capture involves sampling and that sampling always reduces sharpness/contrast/clarity/whatever along any edge that is not exactly aligned with the sensor array. If you work out the angular requirements for that on a large sensor, you will see that it applies to essentially all edges. As I've written about a while ago on Zone-10, that means all images captured digitally have poor edge contrast relative to the nominal resolution. {Starting with pp6 here. } Sharpening generally can do a wonderful job of improving apparent edge sharpness and visible resolution. However - for exactly the same reasons the digital image has edge clarity problems in the first place, sharpening has to work on adjacent pixels as well. So while an improvement, sharpening is not a true replacement for simply increasing the sampling frequency, i.e. more pixels. When you add the issues in #2 & 3, sharpening will usually be working with significant numbers of pixels with already compromised color data - and changing it still further. In conclusion, I suspect that, whatever the test targets seem to indicate about resolution of simple B&W bars, more sensor sites will continue to improve overall IQ in other images areas, including color resolution. I'm not suggesting that such tests are not quite useful. I think the simple tests are pretty good analogs of overall lens performance and a good practical way to compare them. That they don't say it all is testified to by the decades of testimony of practical photographers about meaningful difference between lenses that aren't reflected in simple resolution tests. I am suggesting that a simple conclusion about whether a give sensor "out resolves" a given lens, and therefore whether there will be any benefit from a higher resolution sensor, based on these tests, is not supported by the methodology. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 07:24:30 2009 Received: (qmail 19721 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 05:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 05:24:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD2AEDC018 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0FFE240DF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5273A34AC062 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:24:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4DE34AC03F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:24:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593A646157E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:48:14 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4262E344-BD6B-476F-B220-A36591AC40BD@threeshoes.net> From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:24:22 +0100 References: <2861D94F-BE5E-481B-ADEE-7F66160DF6D7@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] A dull weekend shooting aeroplanes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 07:24:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c168e160561744846740 Yes, indeed, Ian. The navigator who worked as the RAF Br=FCggen flight safety officer = while I was 2 i/c (OC Ops Wg, Flyco in RN parlance) had been a nav on = Vixens; I always meant to ask him about the experience, especially = carrier landings without a say in the proceedings ... Chris On 13 Jul 2009, at 19:04, Ian Nichols wrote: >> >> Finally, wouldn't you have hated to be a navigator in the Vixen, that >> little bubble behind and to the side of the pilot; > > At least you'd get to see some scenery in the turns. Must see about > catching up with that Vampire later in the season - there's a photo > competition with a ride in the second seat as the prize. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 07:26:27 2009 Received: (qmail 32290 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 05:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 05:26:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53993EDC00A for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB6EE240DF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA6434AC03F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:26:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911C734AC02F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:26:22 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3178B46157E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:50:13 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Chris Barker To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:26:21 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] any Londoners taking part in UK Oly night shoot? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 07:26:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c1703184585368819438 Acer I should like to be there, but it will take a bit of negotiation with my wife, on my part. It's a weekend, you see, and they're at a premium while the weekdays are so manic at the moment. I'll have a look, but will anyone else be going? I suspect that Jon Mitchell will be busy looking after Christine and little one ... Chris On 14 Jul 2009, at 00:27, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > http://www.ukphotosafari.org > > 25-26 July, night shoot in London. Any listees going? I'm thinking of > signing up, since in town--would be good to swap toys and stories. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 07:36:32 2009 Received: (qmail 4922 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 05:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 05:36:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62082EDC029 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6966EE240DF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C44A19FCAB for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:36:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F1A19F6C4 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:36:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24312 invoked by uid 502); 14 Jul 2009 05:36:26 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.202.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 05:36:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5C1954.1080907@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:36:20 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0907130634y1a55957me1051edd578c77e8@mail.gmail.com> <92F3454B-54A8-4149-AE63-B6F4F9341C36@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <92F3454B-54A8-4149-AE63-B6F4F9341C36@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 07:36:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c1960227875683411216 Chris Barker wrote: > ... I suppose that my being a grandfather makes me older than I had been hereuntofore (:-)). I am now 55, but I feel much younger, especially when sitting in the sunshine with a couple of decent beers inside me ... :-) > From 10 years further down the road, I can report still feeling much younger than my age, so don't fret. :-) My granddaughters are much older than yours, by almost our age difference. However, my younger son has recently become engaged - and his attitude toward small children has changed dramatically. He seems to suddenly be quite fond of rug rats, so who knows? One thing that has changed with age would be illustrated by "sitting in the sunshine with a couple of decent beers inside me". In that case, I would quite likely be asleep. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 14:03:53 2009 Received: (qmail 145 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 12:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 12:03:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DDAE182DC for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882E2E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C3819E72F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:03:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3040419E711 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:03:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <14798477.3431247573752820.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-216-1.wbs.co.za ([41.208.216.1]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 213 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:15:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <1D77A8AF187340A68767E350B77CDDD2@MAIN> X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:03:36 +0200 References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com><9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <1D77A8AF187340A68767E350B77CDDD2@MAIN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 14:03:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c7429101171258626592 I have to disagree with the statement below, the films usually used to test lenses (at least Pan F, typically the old defunct Tech Pan, and sometimes even copy/microfilms, offer vastly more resolution than current DSLR sensors. I think the 'process' was more at fault, there are many more image- degrading steps involved in getting a film image to a state where one can make observations about lens quality. Am I wrong? On 14 Jul 2009, at 7:08 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > while Modern Photography only seen 50 lines per mm with film, he > believe the different is > limitation of film. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 14:08:24 2009 Received: (qmail 952 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 12:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 12:08:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D631E182F2 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA34E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C8734AC07A for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:08:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30D234AC077 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:08:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31084314.3441247574025846.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-216-1.wbs.co.za ([41.208.216.1]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 627 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:20:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:08:08 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 14:08:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c753874171342116753 Hi, What prices do you have in mind for the 35-80 and the 3Ti ? Dawid On 12 Jul 2009, at 9:13 PM, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > Hello everybody, > > the first one went of too soon. > > I have possibly For Sale a very nice 35-80mm f2.8. > It comes with dedicated hood, it's own pouch and original caps. > Mechanically as new. > There is one very fine 5mm cleaning mark in the form of a straight > line on the front lens. > > I might have the box somewhere as well (We had some water in the > basement > last year where I kept all the boxes, I don't know if it was > involved or not :). > > I have a price in mind, just ask off list. > I might sell the 3Ti as well, just mail me with a good reason I > should sell :). > I don't use flash at all anymore, so there is nothing for me, except > some batteries (and for metering I need them anyway) and the nice > pirring wur of one second of the 3Ti (and it's georgeous sturdy color) > that goes over my user 4T. > I'll mail images on request of both. > > Iwert. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 14:27:07 2009 Received: (qmail 13196 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 12:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 12:27:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F10E182E1 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80587E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638BC34AC07A for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:27:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641E634AC077 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:27:01 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20801229.3461247575150684.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-216-1.wbs.co.za ([41.208.216.1]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 849; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:39:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion , iwert bernakiewicz In-Reply-To: <31084314.3441247574025846.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:26:52 +0200 References: <31084314.3441247574025846.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 14:27:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c799b17995034211378 Oh damn, I hit "reply" without thinking that it'd go to the whole mailing list, my apologies! (I know you asked to be contacted off-list). On 14 Jul 2009, at 2:08 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Hi, > > What prices do you have in mind for the 35-80 and the 3Ti ? > > Dawid > > On 12 Jul 2009, at 9:13 PM, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > >> Hello everybody, >> >> the first one went of too soon. >> >> I have possibly For Sale a very nice 35-80mm f2.8. >> It comes with dedicated hood, it's own pouch and original caps. >> Mechanically as new. >> There is one very fine 5mm cleaning mark in the form of a straight >> line on the front lens. >> >> I might have the box somewhere as well (We had some water in the >> basement >> last year where I kept all the boxes, I don't know if it was >> involved or not :). >> >> I have a price in mind, just ask off list. >> I might sell the 3Ti as well, just mail me with a good reason I >> should sell :). >> I don't use flash at all anymore, so there is nothing for me, except >> some batteries (and for metering I need them anyway) and the nice >> pirring wur of one second of the 3Ti (and it's georgeous sturdy >> color) >> that goes over my user 4T. >> I'll mail images on request of both. >> >> Iwert. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 14:39:39 2009 Received: (qmail 29897 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 12:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 12:39:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021F3E182EA for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77444E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F9A19E8E5 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:39:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28A119E8AB for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:39:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MQhIB-0005vP-Bz for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:39:31 +0100 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <31084314.3441247574025846.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <20801229.3461247575150684.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:39:30 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcoEfmy6hpvHk9p/TOKhlEdtEB4KQAAAYyIg In-Reply-To: <20801229.3461247575150684.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090713-0, 13/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 14:39:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c7c8b24621234514069 Don't worry Dawid, we would all like to know what he has in mind. And what you have in mind too, for that matter! Piers -----Original Message----- From: Dawid Loubser [mailto:dawidl@solms.co.za] Sent: 14 July 2009 13:27 To: Olympus Camera Discussion; iwert bernakiewicz Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 Oh damn, I hit "reply" without thinking that it'd go to the whole mailing list, my apologies! (I know you asked to be contacted off-list). On 14 Jul 2009, at 2:08 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Hi, > > What prices do you have in mind for the 35-80 and the 3Ti ? > > Dawid --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 15:31:09 2009 Received: (qmail 12696 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 13:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 13:31:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4761AE182E5 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CB3E24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A145134AC07A for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:31:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B698134AC02F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:31:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-047.ctimail.com [61.93.57.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n6EDV0Ie014836 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:31:00 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n6EDUxRe015049 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:31:00 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <3863CE5418974509A837724C33A4B469@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com><9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com><4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com><1D77A8AF187340A68767E350B77CDDD2@MAIN> <14798477.3431247573752820.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:30:53 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 15:31:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c889d242351612113968 I don't see any problem with his statment, system resolution is a function of lens resolution and film resolution that is a universal truth. What he compare was visual through a 10mm eyepiece mount on the back of the lens. He also mentioned: "Both film and the CCD sensors in digital cameras impose their own inherent limitations on MTF or contrast for line pairs which are spaced progressively closer together (increasing frequency)...... " C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawid Loubser" >I have to disagree with the statement below, the films usually used to > test lenses > (at least Pan F, typically the old defunct Tech Pan, and sometimes > even copy/microfilms, > offer vastly more resolution than current DSLR sensors. > > I think the 'process' was more at fault, there are many more image- > degrading steps > involved in getting a film image to a state where one can make > observations about > lens quality. > > Am I wrong? > > > On 14 Jul 2009, at 7:08 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > > > >> while Modern Photography only seen 50 lines per mm with film, he >> believe the different is >> limitation of film. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 15:39:10 2009 Received: (qmail 22546 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 13:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 13:39:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F29E182EB for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A55AE24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EFB19EBBB for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:39:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542D219EBC8 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:39:05 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 949 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 13:39:03 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 13:39:03 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5C8A76.1050208@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:39:02 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CBD246714E74DC-DF8-2C3A@WEBMAIL-DZ21.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CBD246714E74DC-DF8-2C3A@WEBMAIL-DZ21.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090713-0, 07/13/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Polarizing filter tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 15:39:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c8a7e38579752976205 Well, see, there's a niche you can fill! Since all the filters were loaned I'd bet the manufacturer's would be loathe to lend 5 at once so their QC could be evaluated! Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Quite interesting, > Thanks for the link. Nice methodology but wished they tested five of > each type to help assess > manufacturing consistency. > Mike > > > > > > Recently posted link on the Kiron-Klub mail list. It's extensive tests > of many brands (and models within brand) of polarizer. Of interest is > the high showing of the Marumi brand which is considerably cheaper > than, > say, K+W. The tester is in Poland. > > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 15:42:27 2009 Received: (qmail 20176 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 13:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 13:42:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C855DE1822C for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4B7E24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D952234AC07A for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:42:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A25934AC07B for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:42:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4081 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 13:42:19 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 15:42:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c8b43196401744846740 And if I had lots of spare cash I'd have one too. Especially since that = sensor can probably make good use of some primes, Oly and others. It = might be excellent for large landscape prints. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> I will share this with a relative who bought a 5DmkII when they first ca= me out. He shoots at the half resolution setting, mainly because he didn't= want to double his file storage instantly and didn't think he needed it fo= r his purposes. It sounds like he really doesn't need it. >> = > = > I don't know about your kin, but I can see several possible reasons to = > want a 5dII, even if it had the same old sensor. So ignore the sensor = > for a moment. > = > * Dust reduction stuff > * Higher ISO with lower noise > * Auto ISO (100 - 3200) > * Permanent display of ISO on both top plate and viewfinder displays > * AF micro adjustment (up to 20 lenses individually) > * Three custom modes on command dial, vs. one > * Slightly larger viewfinder coverage > * 3.0" 920,000 dot LCD monitor with 170=B0 viewing angle > * Live View! > * No mirror-flip for exposures in Live View if contrast detect AF > selected > * HD video with full audio, including in Live View. > * UDMA CompactFlash support > * Optional WFT-E4 WiFi / LAN / USB vertical grip > * Water resistance: 10 mm rain in 3 minutes > = > There are other changes/improvements on Canon's list, but these are the = > most significant in my view. My point is simply that eevn one of these = > might make the difference for some particular users, while the = > combination add up to much broader capabilities. > = > So one might look at the larger sensor as a freebie extra that one may = > use or not. :-) > = > If I had a lot of spare cash, I'd probably have one. but I'm still = > happily shootin' along with the 5D. > = > Moose > = > = > = > = > = >> Joel W. >> = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 15:58:31 2009 Received: (qmail 17490 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 13:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 13:58:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C215CE182F0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976D1E24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0E034AC07A for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:58:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831DC34AC02F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:58:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <26928203.3521247580634211.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from wbs-41-208-216-1.wbs.co.za ([41.208.216.1]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 682 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:10:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:58:17 +0200 References: <31084314.3441247574025846.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <20801229.3461247575150684.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 15:58:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c8f07251145368819438 Piers, I would *really* like an OM-3Ti, but I also can't say that I have the cash lying around, but plans can be made... D. On 14 Jul 2009, at 2:39 PM, Piers Hemy wrote: > Don't worry Dawid, we would all like to know what he has in mind. > And what > you have in mind too, for that matter! > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dawid Loubser [mailto:dawidl@solms.co.za] > Sent: 14 July 2009 13:27 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion; iwert bernakiewicz > Subject: Re: [OM] p[FS] 35-80 f2.8 > > Oh damn, I hit "reply" without thinking that it'd go to the whole > mailing > list, my apologies! (I know you asked to be contacted off-list). > > > On 14 Jul 2009, at 2:08 PM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> What prices do you have in mind for the 35-80 and the 3Ti ? >> >> Dawid > > --snip > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 16:20:55 2009 Received: (qmail 22974 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 14:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 14:20:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70295EDC014 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAA7E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3ACA34AC03F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:20:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDEB34AC030 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:20:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6154 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 14:20:46 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 14:20:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5C943E.6000609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:20:46 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com><9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <1D77A8AF187340A68767E350B77CDDD2@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <1D77A8AF187340A68767E350B77CDDD2@MAIN> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090713-0, 07/13/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 16:20:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5c9447272531560218263 The lens resolution is not tested with the sensor. It's tested with DXO's measuring gear and the results are plotted against the Nyquist frequency of the sensor. It appears that you did not actually look at the test data I referenced or you would have seen that lens resolution did indeed exceed the sensor at some points. That would not have been possible to measure using the sensor. I can't talk about your results with the 70-200/4 since that's a different lens and I have no idea how well it performs or how any individual sample performs. The test I linked was for the 70-200/2.8 L IS. It did resolve more than the 5D but not as much as the 5D Mk II or 1Ds Mk III. But the Canon 50/1.4 and 85/1.8 primes do resolve to and beyond the resolution of these 21 MP cameras but not by much and not consistently across the frame. But different lenses (such as a hand picked OM 24/2) might do much better. Film is definitely the limiting factor on the Modern Photo tests. Most color films are in the 50-80 lpmm range with commonly used films around 50-60. Actual resolution between lens and film is termed the "system resolution" and can't exceed the smallest component. Norman Koren discusses this here as well as the "old" system math and the new MTF math Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > I don't understand how dpreview test the lens' "Nyquist frequency" with a > low res 5D. But any day I will take a higher resolution camera if I can > justify for the cost, storage memory and processor power, I think I need > 40MP at least. > > Have a look on this test site with 70-200/4 IS, even at F11 I see the result > of 1Ds Mark III better than 1Ds Mark II not to mention the 5D. > > http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?FLI=0&API=0&Lens=404&FLIComp=0&APIComp=3&LensComp=118&CameraComp=9&SampleComp=0&Camera=453 > > I remember people mentioned the 'aerial resolution' (?) of lenses can over > 200lp/mm. And the guy in a Tamron lens site mentioned he seen 100 lines per > mm (I'm pretty sure he mean line pair) with a Tamron 24-48 while Modern > Photography only seen 50 lines per mm with film, he believe the different is > limitation of film. > > http://www.adaptall-2.com/articles/Resolution_and_Contrast.html > > I'm with Ken, I believe we need much higher resolution sensor to resolve the > details then 2 pixels per line pair consider the details may not be > perfectly aligned with sensor. I have a strong feeling that my 24/2 can do > better with higher than 21MP sensor. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> What got me on this point to begin with was DPreview's test of the Canon >> 70-200/2.8L which is one of the more revered zooms in Canon's stable. >> Check this page which is the test of that lens on a 5D body. >> >> Use the aperture slider and watch the resolution graph change. Only at >> f/5.6 to f/11 is the 70-200 able to equal or slightly exceed the 12.7 >> megapixels of the 5D sensor (represented by the line labeled "Nyquist >> frequency"). Below f/5.6 some irregular things start happening and >> above f/11 diffraction begins its steady toll against resolution. So, >> if this lens can just barely handle a 5D it certainly can't handle the >> pixel density of a 50D (15 MP on an APS-C size sensor). At f/5.6 to f/8 >> the 5D Mk II will pull a bit more out of the lens than the 5D but not a >> great deal. To utilize the resolving power of the 5D Mk II you need >> very good primes. Here you can see that the 50/1.4 can resolve to the >> level of the 1Ds Mk III (21 MP, like the 5D Mk II) at f/5.6 to f/8 (but >> not elsewhere). >> >> Quite apart from noise, one reason to want a camera with larger pixels >> is to be able to find a lens that can resolve to the level of the >> sensor. Little pixels just make the job harder on the lens. That said, >> it's also easier to make a lens that resolves little pixels if the >> sensor is small and the lens doesn't have to cover a large area. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 17:44:13 2009 Received: (qmail 1056 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 15:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 15:44:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02CFEDC036 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AE6E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3861734AC030 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:44:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FDD34AC03F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:44:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n6EFi1Zk010360 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:44:01 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n6EFi0eK006445 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:44:00 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <375C3F7533854A758B55FF59FA559A23@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com><9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com><1D77A8AF187340A68767E350B77CDDD2@MAIN> <4A5C943E.6000609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:42:22 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 17:44:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5ca7cd185571234514069 Yes, I didn't look at the details you referred but I did read some dpreview lens test results, honestly say I don't see a clear picture how the lens perform in real life. I don't like figures, I like to visual the test result myself, most Canon lens results and some third party one are available in the link I referred including the 70-200/2.8 IS, I like it much more than the dp test because it is more straight forward and simple to me. You can also compare the lenses test result side by side at different apertures. I still think in real life a higher MP sensor can benifit to most lenses even by some measures the lens resolve below the so call Nyquist frequency of the sensor. Here is a 100% cropped 21/2 shot which shown the 5D Mark II leave a lot to desire even with its 21MP sensor. RAW converted with DPP with sharpness setting = 0. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5622c.JPG C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > The lens resolution is not tested with the sensor. It's tested with > DXO's measuring gear and the results are plotted against the Nyquist > frequency of the sensor. It appears that you did not actually look at > the test data I referenced or you would have seen that lens resolution > did indeed exceed the sensor at some points. That would not have been > possible to measure using the sensor. > > I can't talk about your results with the 70-200/4 since that's a > different lens and I have no idea how well it performs or how any > individual sample performs. The test I linked was for the 70-200/2.8 L > IS. It did resolve more than the 5D but not as much as the 5D Mk II or > 1Ds Mk III. But the Canon 50/1.4 and 85/1.8 primes do resolve to and > beyond the resolution of these 21 MP cameras but not by much and not > consistently across the frame. But different lenses (such as a hand > picked OM 24/2) might do much better. > > Film is definitely the limiting factor on the Modern Photo tests. Most > color films are in the 50-80 lpmm range with commonly used films around > 50-60. Actual resolution between lens and film is termed the "system > resolution" and can't exceed the smallest component. Norman Koren > discusses this here as well as the "old" system math and the new MTF > math > > Chuck Norcutt > > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> I don't understand how dpreview test the lens' "Nyquist frequency" with a >> low res 5D. But any day I will take a higher resolution camera if I can >> justify for the cost, storage memory and processor power, I think I need >> 40MP at least. >> >> Have a look on this test site with 70-200/4 IS, even at F11 I see the >> result >> of 1Ds Mark III better than 1Ds Mark II not to mention the 5D. >> >> http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?FLI=0&API=0&Lens=404&FLIComp=0&APIComp=3&LensComp=118&CameraComp=9&SampleComp=0&Camera=453 >> >> I remember people mentioned the 'aerial resolution' (?) of lenses can >> over >> 200lp/mm. And the guy in a Tamron lens site mentioned he seen 100 lines >> per >> mm (I'm pretty sure he mean line pair) with a Tamron 24-48 while Modern >> Photography only seen 50 lines per mm with film, he believe the different >> is >> limitation of film. >> >> http://www.adaptall-2.com/articles/Resolution_and_Contrast.html >> >> I'm with Ken, I believe we need much higher resolution sensor to resolve >> the >> details then 2 pixels per line pair consider the details may not be >> perfectly aligned with sensor. I have a strong feeling that my 24/2 can >> do >> better with higher than 21MP sensor. >> >> C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 17:46:43 2009 Received: (qmail 20348 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 15:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 15:46:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8884AEDC02E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C36E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697A934AC07C for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:46:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38D734AC030 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:46:36 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24695 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 15:46:35 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 15:46:35 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5CA85A.9010308@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:46:34 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5C142B.7060503@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A5C142B.7060503@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090713-0, 07/13/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution? Which resolution? [was Value for money?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 17:46:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5ca863202551234514069 You make very good arguments which it will probably take me about a month to study and absorb (probably starting with Koren). I'll just say that I hope you're right. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> What got me on this point to begin with was DPreview's test of the Canon 70-200/2.8L ... So, if this lens can just barely handle a 5D it certainly can't handle the pixel density of a 50D (15 MP on an APS-C size sensor). At f/5.6 to f/8 the 5D Mk II will pull a bit more out of the lens than the 5D but not a great deal. To utilize the resolving power of the 5D Mk II you need very good primes. ... > > I'm not sure I agree with your conclusions. I suspect that the following > considerations aren't meaningful for the vast majority of actual image > making and display. However, for those few working at large > magnifications and/or the larger number simply afflicted with terminal > technophilia or untreated addiction to pixel peeping, they may be, or at > least seem, significant. > > First, I have issues with coming to such broad conclusions considering > the methodology used. > > 1. Judgments/measurements are made with a camera with AA filter in > place. That means one could adapt some industrial super lens capable of > resolving much more than the sensor, but the system resolution they > measure, while better than regular lenses, would be nowhere near the > lens's true ability. As long as there is an intentional bandwidth > limiter in the system, no fully meaningful conclusions may be drawn > about individual parts. > > 2. The lppmm standard, while a good method to compare cameras with > different sensor sizes, is not ideal for lens comparisons or judgments > about lens vs. sensor resolution. > > 3. A nit pick. How can the system out resolve the "theoretical > resolution of the sensor", Nyquist frequency? If theory doesn't agree > with practice, why even mention it? My real complaint though is that it > gets the reader thinking about absolute limits, in a test environment > where they don't exist. > > There are also a few other considerations that make coming to such > conclusions from these test results questionable to me: > > 1. Back in the area of #1 above, system bandwidth is a complex function > of the bandwidths of the components. It's not like hooking a garden hose > onto the end of a fire hose, where throughput is strictly a function of > pressure and the physical characteristics of the garden hose. Even the > formula someone posted a little bit ago is probably too simple in the > real world. In addition to which, we don't have the numbers for > individual components to plug into it. > > Increase the resolving power of any one component and system resolution > goes up. If the improved component was the poorest, it goes up a lot, > but not as much as the % increase in the component. If it was already > the broadest component, bandwidth increases only a little. But it does > change. > > 2. These luminance only, test pattern tests don't say a thing about > spatial color resolution. If Foveon sensors had fulfilled their apparent > potential, this wouldn't be an issue. However, all but a tiny proportion > of digital cameras use a Bayer array. So depending on color and > directional orientation, the color resolution may be quite a bit less > than B&W. Demosaicing algorithms are quite good, but the fact is that > only one of the color channels for any pixel is a actual measurement. > The rest are interpolated guesses. > > Since there are a few Foveon sensor cameras about, it's possible to make > actual comparisons. The SD14 vs. > 5D results convince me that larger Bayer array sensors will have better > color IQ than smaller ones, regardless of luminance test target tests. > As the lenses we are working with project the magnificence of their > images on all sensor sites equally, an improvement in sensor color > resolution will show up in visible image quality. > > 3. There is an unspoken assumption in most web discussions of color > accuracy in digicams, but it is wrong. When we talk about sensors, we > act like the array filters are at least close to perfect. It just ain't > so. Look at the spectral responses of even the best quality photographic > filters. They aren't sharp cut-off tools, not even close. How good do > you think the gazillions of tiny little, mass deposited Bayer array > filter in our cameras are? > So the fact is that wavelengths of light falling on sensors are only > majority reported by the appropriate sensor sites. There are also > minority values misreported by adjacent sensors for other colors, with > the amount of error depending on how far the actual color is from the > center of the intended sensor for it. > > I don't know how big these errors are, but suspect that they are > significant in an absolute sense. We tend to be unaware of them because > we have been viewing the same sort of errors on color film and because > nobody is publishing about them. In any case, more, smaller sensors will > tend to reduce these errors. > > 4. No matter what the resolution chart tests say, all digital capture > involves sampling and that sampling always reduces > sharpness/contrast/clarity/whatever along any edge that is not exactly > aligned with the sensor array. If you work out the angular requirements > for that on a large sensor, you will see that it applies to essentially > all edges. As I've written about a while ago on Zone-10, that means all > images captured digitally have poor edge contrast relative to the > nominal resolution. {Starting with pp6 here. > } > > Sharpening generally can do a wonderful job of improving apparent edge > sharpness and visible resolution. However - for exactly the same reasons > the digital image has edge clarity problems in the first place, > sharpening has to work on adjacent pixels as well. So while an > improvement, sharpening is not a true replacement for simply increasing > the sampling frequency, i.e. more pixels. > > When you add the issues in #2 & 3, sharpening will usually be working > with significant numbers of pixels with already compromised color data - > and changing it still further. > > In conclusion, I suspect that, whatever the test targets seem to > indicate about resolution of simple B&W bars, more sensor sites will > continue to improve overall IQ in other images areas, including color > resolution. > > I'm not suggesting that such tests are not quite useful. I think the > simple tests are pretty good analogs of overall lens performance and a > good practical way to compare them. That they don't say it all is > testified to by the decades of testimony of practical photographers > about meaningful difference between lenses that aren't reflected in > simple resolution tests. > > I am suggesting that a simple conclusion about whether a give sensor > "out resolves" a given lens, and therefore whether there will be any > benefit from a higher resolution sensor, based on these tests, is not > supported by the methodology. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 18:01:00 2009 Received: (qmail 9642 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 16:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 16:00:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A7FEDC012 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AB9E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76D53610003 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:00:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888983610002 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:00:53 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5253 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 16:00:52 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 18:01:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5cabbc123121744846740 Tech Pan had a resolution of 100 lpmm. That's for low contrast subjects which is how the resolution is typically stated. For high contrast subjects the resolution is 320 lpmm. For most films the high contrast resolution is in the range of 2-3 times the low contrast resolution. But I don't recall what Modern used for test targets nor do I know how 100 lpmm works out in a "system" computation with a typical lens of the 1970s or 1980s. But 50 lpmm is a typical test result number that I can agree with from memory. But I don't think you should be concerned about the additional "steps" between exposure and evaluation. Presumably the film was developed and directly examined with a loupe. There should have been nothing else to degrade the results other than the loupe and the eye of the examiner. Chuck Norcutt Dawid Loubser wrote: > I have to disagree with the statement below, the films usually used to > test lenses > (at least Pan F, typically the old defunct Tech Pan, and sometimes > even copy/microfilms, > offer vastly more resolution than current DSLR sensors. > > I think the 'process' was more at fault, there are many more image- > degrading steps > involved in getting a film image to a state where one can make > observations about > lens quality. > > Am I wrong? > > > On 14 Jul 2009, at 7:08 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > > > >> while Modern Photography only seen 50 lines per mm with film, he >> believe the different is >> limitation of film. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 18:16:50 2009 Received: (qmail 22340 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 16:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 16:16:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA9FEDC01A for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B300E24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B05E19F1FC for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:16:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BAD19F1F9 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:16:43 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (londonjames@mailcan.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MQkgL-0000wM-ME for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0100 Received: from [77.99.183.220] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MQkgK-0007B4-S3 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:16:41 +0100 Message-Id: <82FBF5EB-D378-4DD3-B0A9-5AD00B62552B@mailcan.com> From: James R To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A5CA85A.9010308@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:16:39 +0100 References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5C142B.7060503@gmail.com> <4A5CA85A.9010308@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Wm Eggleston on Beeb 1 tonight X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 18:16:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5caf72199041413256596 I've been alerted to this as below. James > Rather amazingly there is a 50 minute programme on BBC1 tonight with > Alan Yentob talking to William Eggleston. It goes under the title > "Imagine". > > As many of you will know, William Eggleston's work pretty much > helped establish the place of colour photography in the world of > photographic art when John Szarkowski presented an exhibition of > Eggleston's work at MOMA in 1976. > > Eggleston seemed scarcely able to string three words together in > past interviews with him I've seen, in fact he seems to be the very > personification of laconic, so I will watch with interest to see how > Yentob fared. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 18:59:32 2009 Received: (qmail 17300 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D872E182DD for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8485BE24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBC434AC070 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:59:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB6F34AC03F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:59:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1666976anc.35 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:59:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.58.1 with SMTP id g1mr8718825ana.150.1247590765688; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:59:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5C142B.7060503@gmail.com> References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5C142B.7060503@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:59:25 -0500 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0907140959n2d98cbfehe05067fa3c3a3e01@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution? Which resolution? [was Value for money?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 18:59:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5cb974260004877110844 On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Moose wrote in conclusion to a lot of qualifiers: > I'm not suggesting that such tests are not quite useful. I think the > simple tests are pretty good analogs of overall lens performance and a > good practical way to compare them. That they don't say it all is > testified to by the decades of testimony of practical photographers > about meaningful difference between lenses that aren't reflected in > simple resolution tests. > > I am suggesting that a simple conclusion about whether a give sensor > "out resolves" a given lens, and therefore whether there will be any > benefit from a higher resolution sensor, based on these tests, is not > supported by the methodology. > > Moose I see what you mean. Most of what you wrote, which I snipped, were qualifiers related to sensor operation as a system. I think we must be clear when we talk about a "sensor out-resolving a lens" on whether this is about the entire sensor system or about a more limited feature set of that system, i.e., the net number of pixels involved, etc. Chuck seemed to be addressing the latter, and you the former, and I think these are different. Straighten me out if I'm wrong. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 19:09:13 2009 Received: (qmail 24484 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 17:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 17:09:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08E7E182B4 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49646E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C90019F3E9 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:09:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD12219F3ED for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:09:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f228.google.com (mail-fx0-f228.google.com [209.85.220.228]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm28 with SMTP id 28so444627fxm.14 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:09:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.103.203 with SMTP id l11mr6661099bko.71.1247591346682; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:09:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A515581.10908@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A514A9B.9050306@interisland.net> <4A515581.10908@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:09:06 -0400 Message-ID: <14883a8b0907141009m4793ffedp272aa3e3763e185e@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] gods are restless X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 19:09:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5cbbb9209711612113968 I'm a little late here (just returned from 10 day vacation) but it appears to be socked in with clouds/ smoke. Recent update seems to confirm cloud cover. The temperature differential may be due to sunshine on the camera housing but not sure why that would be if the camera is hidden in the clouds. Charlie On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > It looks strange. I wonder what's going on. I noticed that the air > temp is 66F but the camera is 105F. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Mike Lazzari wrote: > > Check out the volcano cam this evening. > > > > > > > > Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 19:46:05 2009 Received: (qmail 12591 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 17:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 17:46:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA82AEDC00F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC53E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5236B34AC077 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E142834AC062 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2289 invoked by uid 502); 14 Jul 2009 17:45:56 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.202.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 17:45:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5CC448.4020600@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:45:44 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A514A9B.9050306@interisland.net> <4A515581.10908@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0907141009m4793ffedp272aa3e3763e185e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0907141009m4793ffedp272aa3e3763e185e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] gods are restless X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 19:46:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5cc45d201936789618724 Charles Geilfuss wrote: > I'm a little late here (just returned from 10 day vacation) I don't think you missed much. I tried a few times over a few days and only got a message that the Forest Service web site was down. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 20:08:33 2009 Received: (qmail 32256 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 18:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 18:08:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA834EDC032 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2A8E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5777519F63E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:08:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D407219F635 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:08:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6020 invoked by uid 502); 14 Jul 2009 18:08:23 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.202.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 18:08:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5CC994.5050601@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:08:20 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com><9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <1D77A8AF187340A68767E350B77CDDD2@MAIN> <4A5C943E.6000609@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A5C943E.6000609@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 20:08:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5cc9a173101220213263 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The lens resolution is not tested with the sensor. = "In practice this is an oversimplification; our tests measure system MTF = rather than purely lens MTF, and at frequencies close to Nyquist the = camera's anti-aliasing filter will have a significant effect in = attenuating the measured MTF50. In addition, our testing procedure = involves shooting a chart of fixed size, which therefore requires a = closer shooting distance on full frame, and this will also have some = influence on the MTF50 data." > It's tested with DXO's measuring gear and the results are plotted against= the Nyquist frequency of the sensor. It appears that you did not actually= look at the test data I referenced = Well I did. The above quote is from the test page you referred to and = the following is from the methodology discussion page for their tests in = general: ------------------------------------------------- "How The Test Data is Shot By Andy Westlake Sharpness Test images for are shot in RAW at the camera's base ISO, and processed = using a common converter (Adobe Camera Raw) with all sharpening disabled = =96 this eliminates any differences from in-camera processing. Using RAW = is crucial, as many current cameras can apply lens aberration correction = to JPEGs - most notably Nikon DSLRS such as the D3, D300, D70 and D90 = feature automatic correction of lateral chromatic aberration, and the = Canon 50D features automatic peripheral illumination (falloff) = correction. Using JPEGs from these cameras for testing would therefore = not provide a true description of the lens itself. Sharpness is calculated from the slanted-edge patterns arranged across = the frame; the test chart has four =91arms=92 extending from the centre to = each corner of the frame, and the sharpness data we display is obtained = by averaging the results from each, to give the most accurate = representation of the lens=92s performance." ------------------------------------------------- > or you would have seen that lens resolution did indeed exceed the sensor = at some points. That would not have been possible to measure using the sens= or. > = Exactly! And that's why I commented on how weird it was to publish this = "maximum theoretical resolution of the camera body used for testing" = along with MTF data showing higher values. What you suggest would indeed make sense if they are in fact using bench = testing equipment, but that's not what they say they are doing. Have I missed something on their site? Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 20:20:26 2009 Received: (qmail 513 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 18:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 18:20:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203C2EDC011 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD09E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A003610001 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:20:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C79434AC029 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:20:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23676 invoked by uid 502); 14 Jul 2009 18:20:19 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.202.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 18:20:19 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5CCC60.8020307@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:20:16 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5C142B.7060503@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0907140959n2d98cbfehe05067fa3c3a3e01@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0907140959n2d98cbfehe05067fa3c3a3e01@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution? Which resolution? [was Value for money?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 20:20:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5ccc6a250871234514069 Joel Wilcox wrote: > > I see what you mean. > > Most of what you wrote, which I snipped, were qualifiers related to sensor operation as a system. I think we must be clear when we talk about a "sensor out-resolving a lens" on whether this is about the entire sensor system or about a more limited feature set of that system, i.e., the net number of pixels involved, etc. Chuck seemed to be addressing the latter, and you the former, and I think these are different. Straighten me out if I'm wrong. > Except for the comments on AA filters, my intent was to address the simple issue of net number of pixels. I guess you could say that I had an unspoken assumption of equal sensor system performance, other than in pixel count and AA filter (as appropriate for sensor pixel pitch), in talking about the possible effects of a larger pixel count sensor system vs. a smaller one on IQ issues beyond simple B&W test target resolution. I am well aware of sensor system performance differences between cameras with the same number of pixels. As I anticipated from published tests, my own tests showed that the 5MP portion of the 5D sensor of physical size equal to the sensor on the 300D outperformed the greater pixel count, 6MP, of the 300D, in IQ, including resolution of color detail in non-test target images. I was not commenting on that sort of difference at all in this case. I consider it a different issue. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 20:22:05 2009 Received: (qmail 19245 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 18:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 18:22:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0E3EDC039 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65DDE240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE8D19F688 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:21:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3DD19F692 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:21:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7407 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 18:21:57 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 18:21:57 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5CCCC4.9090106@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:21:56 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com><9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com><1D77A8AF187340A68767E350B77CDDD2@MAIN> <4A5C943E.6000609@chucknorcutt.com> <375C3F7533854A758B55FF59FA559A23@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <375C3F7533854A758B55FF59FA559A23@MAIN> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090713-0, 07/13/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 20:22:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5ccccd56136107113666 I too would prefer real 3-D, color subjects but one can't compare without having the same shot and same lighting with a different camera and/or lens. I think digital-picture's resolution charts are fine but I have yet to compare two images side-by-side. Granted, DPReview's DXO charts don't give you any feeling for what a real photograph looks like but, if the maximum resolution of the lens on a high contrast target is only 1500 line pairs across the vertical height of the sensor it seems clear to me that adding color, low contrast and diagonals is not going to improve that. I think it simply sets an upper limit on resolution without telling you much about real world results. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Yes, I didn't look at the details you referred but I did read some dpreview > lens test results, honestly say I don't see a clear picture how the lens > perform in real life. I don't like figures, I like to visual the test result > myself, most Canon lens results and some third party one are available in > the link I referred including the 70-200/2.8 IS, I like it much more than > the dp test because it is more straight forward and simple to me. You can > also compare the lenses test result side by side at different apertures. > > I still think in real life a higher MP sensor can benifit to most lenses > even by some measures the lens resolve below the so call Nyquist frequency > of the sensor. Here is a 100% cropped 21/2 shot which shown the 5D Mark II > leave a lot to desire even with its 21MP sensor. > > RAW converted with DPP with sharpness setting = 0. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5622c.JPG > > C.H.Ling > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> The lens resolution is not tested with the sensor. It's tested with >> DXO's measuring gear and the results are plotted against the Nyquist >> frequency of the sensor. It appears that you did not actually look at >> the test data I referenced or you would have seen that lens resolution >> did indeed exceed the sensor at some points. That would not have been >> possible to measure using the sensor. >> >> I can't talk about your results with the 70-200/4 since that's a >> different lens and I have no idea how well it performs or how any >> individual sample performs. The test I linked was for the 70-200/2.8 L >> IS. It did resolve more than the 5D but not as much as the 5D Mk II or >> 1Ds Mk III. But the Canon 50/1.4 and 85/1.8 primes do resolve to and >> beyond the resolution of these 21 MP cameras but not by much and not >> consistently across the frame. But different lenses (such as a hand >> picked OM 24/2) might do much better. >> >> Film is definitely the limiting factor on the Modern Photo tests. Most >> color films are in the 50-80 lpmm range with commonly used films around >> 50-60. Actual resolution between lens and film is termed the "system >> resolution" and can't exceed the smallest component. Norman Koren >> discusses this here as well as the "old" system math and the new MTF >> math >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> I don't understand how dpreview test the lens' "Nyquist frequency" with a >>> low res 5D. But any day I will take a higher resolution camera if I can >>> justify for the cost, storage memory and processor power, I think I need >>> 40MP at least. >>> >>> Have a look on this test site with 70-200/4 IS, even at F11 I see the >>> result >>> of 1Ds Mark III better than 1Ds Mark II not to mention the 5D. >>> >>> http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?FLI=0&API=0&Lens=404&FLIComp=0&APIComp=3&LensComp=118&CameraComp=9&SampleComp=0&Camera=453 >>> >>> I remember people mentioned the 'aerial resolution' (?) of lenses can >>> over >>> 200lp/mm. And the guy in a Tamron lens site mentioned he seen 100 lines >>> per >>> mm (I'm pretty sure he mean line pair) with a Tamron 24-48 while Modern >>> Photography only seen 50 lines per mm with film, he believe the different >>> is >>> limitation of film. >>> >>> http://www.adaptall-2.com/articles/Resolution_and_Contrast.html >>> >>> I'm with Ken, I believe we need much higher resolution sensor to resolve >>> the >>> details then 2 pixels per line pair consider the details may not be >>> perfectly aligned with sensor. I have a strong feeling that my 24/2 can >>> do >>> better with higher than 21MP sensor. >>> >>> C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 20:57:43 2009 Received: (qmail 2108 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 18:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 18:57:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1EEEDC045 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924FAE240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8574634AC03F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:57:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0383C34AC02F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:57:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f183.google.com (mail-yx0-f183.google.com [209.85.210.183]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe13 with SMTP id 13so5432918yxe.22 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:57:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.79.19 with SMTP id g19mr10903236ybl.178.1247597856456; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:57:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0907140059i7c5048c4gd9dacb7a9a5373cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0907140059i7c5048c4gd9dacb7a9a5373cc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:57:36 -0700 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0907141157i61f59737h13c063c64c76c1c4@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] My Book Signing this Friday, July 17 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 20:57:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5cd527160513900897491 I was in the Stanford's Continuing Education class Self Publishing Your Photo Book this past Spring, and now the fruits of our labor are ready to be unleashed into the world :-) The course was taught by Brigitte Carnochan and there are about 20 people in the class. For a few people, they had the book practically all planned at the start of the class. For others, it took a bit more work. For me personally, at the 3rd session when we were presenting our materials to our peers and when we should already have most of the images nailed down, I was looking at just a dozen images that I didn't know what to do with. One of co-instructors said to me, "Richard, I feel like you are holding out on me, these are (good) images but they are not cohesive to tell a story." It was definitely a "uh oh, what do I do now" moment. And so it goes. I learned a lot about pacing, editing, and presentation. My book combines my love for photography and calligraphy, and the theme of Asian Spiritual worship in its core. You can get a 15 page preview of my book Full Circle here: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 A special edition of 10 copies is available for $100, each comes with an archival print and a hand written calligraphy of "Full Circle." I hope you can join us this Friday from 7-10PM at the Modern Book Gallery, 494 University Ave., Palo Alto, CA. http://www.modernbook.com. You may purchase the books at that time. -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.rfman.com blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 21:22:59 2009 Received: (qmail 2193 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 19:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 19:22:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6F2E182E2 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46572E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339F534AC02F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:22:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC3634AC030 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:22:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29213 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 19:22:49 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 19:22:49 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5CDB09.6030103@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:22:49 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com><9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <1D77A8AF187340A68767E350B77CDDD2@MAIN> <4A5C943E.6000609@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5CC994.5050601@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A5CC994.5050601@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090713-0, 07/13/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 21:22:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5cdb13261515034211378 I had not read this before and you raise some interesting and perplexing = questions. I knew they were using DXO something and, since they show = resolution in excess of the sensor resolution, I had assumed (bad) that = they were measuring the lens independent of the sensor and also with the = sensor since the tests clearly use a particular camera. You are = right... where does the lens resolution beyond the sensor Nyquist limit = come from? Without a separate test of the lens independent of the camera, the only = thing I can think of is a backwards calculation from system MTF (their = measurment) and sensor MTF (defined by pixel count?) to derive the = presumed lens MTF. Whether such a thing is even possible I haven't the = slightest idea. It's an intriguing question. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> The lens resolution is not tested with the sensor. = > = > "In practice this is an oversimplification; our tests measure system MTF = > rather than purely lens MTF, and at frequencies close to Nyquist the = > camera's anti-aliasing filter will have a significant effect in = > attenuating the measured MTF50. In addition, our testing procedure = > involves shooting a chart of fixed size, which therefore requires a = > closer shooting distance on full frame, and this will also have some = > influence on the MTF50 data." > = >> It's tested with DXO's measuring gear and the results are plotted agains= t the Nyquist frequency of the sensor. It appears that you did not actuall= y look at the test data I referenced = > = > = > Well I did. The above quote is from the test page you referred to and = > the following is from the methodology discussion page for their tests in = > general: > ------------------------------------------------- > "How The Test Data is Shot > By Andy Westlake > = > = > Sharpness > = > Test images for are shot in RAW at the camera's base ISO, and processed = > using a common converter (Adobe Camera Raw) with all sharpening disabled = > =96 this eliminates any differences from in-camera processing. Using RAW = > is crucial, as many current cameras can apply lens aberration correction = > to JPEGs - most notably Nikon DSLRS such as the D3, D300, D70 and D90 = > feature automatic correction of lateral chromatic aberration, and the = > Canon 50D features automatic peripheral illumination (falloff) = > correction. Using JPEGs from these cameras for testing would therefore = > not provide a true description of the lens itself. > = > Sharpness is calculated from the slanted-edge patterns arranged across = > the frame; the test chart has four =91arms=92 extending from the centre t= o = > each corner of the frame, and the sharpness data we display is obtained = > by averaging the results from each, to give the most accurate = > representation of the lens=92s performance." > = > ------------------------------------------------- >> or you would have seen that lens resolution did indeed exceed the sensor= at some points. That would not have been possible to measure using the sen= sor. >> = > = > Exactly! And that's why I commented on how weird it was to publish this = > "maximum theoretical resolution of the camera body used for testing" = > along with MTF data showing higher values. > = > What you suggest would indeed make sense if they are in fact using bench = > testing equipment, but that's not what they say they are doing. > = > Have I missed something on their site? > = > Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 21:31:15 2009 Received: (qmail 27728 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 19:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 19:31:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF19EDC037 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEACAE240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E361CD494 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:31:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523621CD492 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:31:09 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5579 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 19:31:08 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 19:31:08 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5CDCFB.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:31:07 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5C142B.7060503@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0907140959n2d98cbfehe05067fa3c3a3e01@mail.gmail.com> <4A5CCC60.8020307@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A5CCC60.8020307@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090713-0, 07/13/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution? Which resolution? [was Value for money?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 21:31:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5cdd03101385368819438 I wonder if the 5D's better peformance over the 300D's equal area 6MP is due to better tonal gradations or some such. I suspect the perceived resolution of real world color detail is much influenced by eye and brain interaction and may go somewhat beyond true physical resolution. None of us sees our retinal blind spot so it's clear the brain and optic nerve can do a lot of image fill-in. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> I see what you mean. >> >> Most of what you wrote, which I snipped, were qualifiers related to sensor operation as a system. I think we must be clear when we talk about a "sensor out-resolving a lens" on whether this is about the entire sensor system or about a more limited feature set of that system, i.e., the net number of pixels involved, etc. Chuck seemed to be addressing the latter, and you the former, and I think these are different. Straighten me out if I'm wrong. >> > > Except for the comments on AA filters, my intent was to address the > simple issue of net number of pixels. > > I guess you could say that I had an unspoken assumption of equal sensor > system performance, other than in pixel count and AA filter (as > appropriate for sensor pixel pitch), in talking about the possible > effects of a larger pixel count sensor system vs. a smaller one on IQ > issues beyond simple B&W test target resolution. > > I am well aware of sensor system performance differences between cameras > with the same number of pixels. As I anticipated from published tests, > my own tests showed that the 5MP portion of the 5D sensor of physical > size equal to the sensor on the 300D outperformed the greater pixel > count, 6MP, of the 300D, in IQ, including resolution of color detail in > non-test target images. > > I was not commenting on that sort of difference at all in this case. I > consider it a different issue. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 22:35:06 2009 Received: (qmail 7309 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 20:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 20:35:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3B0EDC011 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A8EE24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC57434AC077 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:34:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC5F34AC070 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:34:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1861 invoked by uid 502); 14 Jul 2009 20:34:55 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) 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[was Value for money?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 22:35:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5cebfa94121136683642 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I wonder if the 5D's better peformance over the 300D's equal area 6MP is due to better tonal gradations or some such. I think it's what DPR has named, for want of an existing term, "per pixel resolution". It's fairly easy to notice, but hard to define. I knew the 5D was much better than the 300D as soon as I looked at the first few shots on the computer. I suspect that it has to do in part with improvements in some of the areas I just raised that go beyond simple B&W resolution tests. There are also sensor level technical changes. One that comes to mind is a change where spill-over electrons from maxed out sites end up in a trash bucket, rather than migrating to adjacent sites. > I suspect the perceived resolution of real world color detail is much influenced by eye and brain interaction and may go somewhat beyond true physical resolution. > I know that's a factor. I did what I could to make them comparable. I shot using a tripod, used the same lens and settings and switched only cameras. Shots were of a combination of vegetation and details of houses, utility pole, wires, etc. I then overlaid images in PS, as in my roll-overs, so I could flip back and forth without changing anything else. I even played with upsampling 5D and downsampling 300D images to make apparent size the same. There was clearly slightly more detail discernible, or at least more clearly discernible, in the 5D images. > None of us sees our retinal blind spot so it's clear the brain and optic nerve can do a lot of image fill-in. > Much more than that. Only the central portion of our visual field actually is in color and is particularly sharp. The high sensitivity "rods" outside of that area are large, i.e. low sensor density, and luminance only. That our visual field seems to be entirely sharp and in color is a virtual image creation of the mind. At any moment we want to think about any part of it, our eyes shift and fill in the details. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 22:53:46 2009 Received: (qmail 2550 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 20:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 20:53:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9364AEDC012 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B71E24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303DC19FF16 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:53:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAE919FF15 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:53:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so3216288ewy.14 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:53:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.74.71 with SMTP id w49mr1884374wed.135.1247604819351; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:53:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> References: <0AF1211A-552D-4E9C-A18D-99251C8F40B2@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:53:39 +0200 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 22:53:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5cf05a272976789618724 Sophie looks great on you, Chris! Congratulations. Enjoy being a grandfather! We happen to have two babysitters named Sophie, and they're both fantastic girls. So if that isn't a good direction already for the name? All the best, Iwert ps hey, our boys are 6,5 and 7,5 already, how time flies! I still remember announcing them here just a few days ago :). 2009/7/11 Chris Barker > Chaps > > We spent last week in the southwest of England on a short break near > Dartmoor (pics to follow), but really to visit our new granddaughter. > > I thought that some of you might like to be reminded of how small a > small person can be, a week old. > > http://bit.ly/unnQt > > Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 23:04:33 2009 Received: (qmail 23517 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 21:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 21:04:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02CDEDC006 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441E7E24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A4734AC062 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:04:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423F434AC02F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:04:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jon@jonmitch.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:04:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Trace: 230150556/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/80.47.93.210/None/jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 80.47.93.210 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIEANuPXEpQL13S/2dsb2JhbACQEMF+hAgFg3I X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,399,1243810800"; d="scan'208";a="230150556" Received: from 80-47-93-210.lond-hex.dynamic.dial.as9105.com (HELO MEDIAPC) ([80.47.93.210]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2009 22:04:20 +0100 From: "Jon Mitchell" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:05:13 +0100 Message-ID: <000001ca04c6$c7e4d960$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090714-0, 14/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] any Londoners taking part in UK Oly night shoot? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 23:04:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5cf2e1254593900897491 Hi All, Yes Chris - indeed I will be busy. The arrival of "Mini-Mitch" (as it is currently being called) is due for 1st August, but they say any time from 3 weeks before to 2 weeks after is "full term". No news yet, and frankly we are hoping it will be a little late - we just aren't close to being ready yet ! I meant to write and congratulate you as well Chris - I saw the post with pics of your Granddaughter this morning. Congrats to all involved, and I hope all continues to go well. Enjoy the London night-shoot if anyone goes. I had a ball doing that a few years back, but that was in the days of film - and it was Christmas so London looked particularly beautiful all lit up. Enjoy, Jon -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@threeshoes.net] Sent: 14 July 2009 06:26 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] any Londoners taking part in UK Oly night shoot? Acer I should like to be there, but it will take a bit of negotiation with my wife, on my part. It's a weekend, you see, and they're at a premium while the weekdays are so manic at the moment. I'll have a look, but will anyone else be going? I suspect that Jon Mitchell will be busy looking after Christine and little one ... Chris On 14 Jul 2009, at 00:27, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > http://www.ukphotosafari.org > > 25-26 July, night shoot in London. Any listees going? I'm thinking of > signing up, since in town--would be good to swap toys and stories. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 23:09:54 2009 Received: (qmail 9214 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 21:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 21:09:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8F2EDC041 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE12E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D6734AC03F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:09:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B628B34AC02F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:09:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19533 invoked by uid 502); 14 Jul 2009 21:09:46 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.202.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 21:09:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5CF417.6020109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:09:43 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com><9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <1D77A8AF187340A68767E350B77CDDD2@MAIN> <4A5C943E.6000609@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5CC994.5050601@gmail.com> <4A5CDB09.6030103@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A5CDB09.6030103@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 23:09:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5cf422213691342116753 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I had not read this before and you raise some interesting and perplexing questions. I knew they were using DXO something and, since they show resolution in excess of the sensor resolution, I had assumed (bad) that they were measuring the lens independent of the sensor and also with the sensor since the tests clearly use a particular camera. You are right... where does the lens resolution beyond the sensor Nyquist limit come from? > "Whenever the measured numbers exceed this value, this simply indicates that the lens out-resolves the sensor at this point - the calculated MTF values themselves become meaningless." Meaningless, but published. BTW, I really don't mean to slag their lens tests. I think they are valuable and useful. I suspect that the things they measure are probably fairly useful analogs for the more subtle things, i.e. those that do well mostly will do well in less tangible areas of performance. Hard too, to fault them for not measuring the unmeasurable. :-) Given the paucity of useful tests of lenses on FF sensors, I think they are a great service. The side-by-side comparison feature is great. In a short time, I can see just how the 50/1.8 I have compares to the 50/1.4 in the areas they measure. At f1.8, the faster lens fall below the slower one, and performance at f1.4 is well below the standard of both lenses from f2.0-11. It looks too, like the f1.8 might theoretically be easier to focus manually, as it is significantly sharper wide open than is the f1.4. That doesn't factor in differences in MF focusing mechanisms. In any case, I can see that upgrading would be about build quality, a tiny bit of speed, AF speed/noise and bokeh, not sharpness, contrast and distortion. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 23:32:11 2009 Received: (qmail 14747 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 21:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 21:32:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031DFEDC00A for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715E4E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F5E34AC07B for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:32:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D877634AC062 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:32:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (deebel@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so3239736ewy.14 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.211.195.15 with SMTP id x15mr7140270ebp.59.1247607123424; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user4fec106f50 (cpc3-bahd1-0-0-cust443.renf.cable.ntl.com [81.99.1.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm14385724ewy.106.2009.07.14.14.32.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "David Bell" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A5B8104.6010404@chucknorcutt.com><23B338067DF84E069F4C8B4047B1FE79@user4fec106f50> <4A5BDF1C.40006@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:31:53 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4A5BDF1C.40006@chucknorcutt.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcoEIll5bKfzM3KyT/6kvNlRmO/rZwAqA2Lg Subject: Re: [OM] Parachute Jump X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 23:32:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5cf95b236981950411718 Thanks Chuck, Appreciate your advice. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] Sent: 14 July 2009 02:28 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Parachute Jump I have no first hand experience with parachute jumping but a little bit of math along with some poorly remembered numbers tells me: If they jump from as high as 10,000 feet and open their chutes at 2,000 feet the free fall portion (that first 8,000 feet) will last about 45 seconds. That's from something in the back of my head that a human body in free fall soon approaches a terminal velocity of about 125 mph. I'm guessing the remaining glide down from 2000 feet will be at 15-30 mph and another 45-90 seconds so the whole thing will not take long even if my estimates are off by a factor of 2. As to exposure, if its mid-day you can probably count on sunny 16 (or maybe it's sunny 11 at UK latitudes. Actually, I just discovered that sunny 11 is the correct rule for 60 degrees north. Maybe the southern part of the UK needs sunny 11-1/2. Alternatively, if you have some blue sky not close to the sun you can just meter the blue sky which makes a pretty good gray card. If the sun is high the jumpers faces may be in shade of the canopy so you might want to open up a bit from the blue sky reading. If you shoot at f/8 the 200/5 on an E-1 should have a hyperfocal distance of 300 meters with everything in focus from 150 meters to infinity. If you prefocus at something about 300 meters distant then you shouldn't have to worry about focusing again until well after the canopy opens. But after they get within 150 meters you'll have to start focusing and focusing fast as they'll presumably coming at you and closing the distance fast. Chuck Norcutt David Bell wrote: > A friend is making a tandem freefall jump with the Red Devils (charity > fundraising)and I thought that I would go along and support and take a > few pics of the jump. Was planning to use an E-1 with just an OM prime > (possibly > f5 200) as it is compact and light. > > Now I have never photographed a parachute jump before, have no > knowledge of typical jump heights and elapsed time for the drop. Can > anyone give me any tips recommendations, filtration, camera settings etc. > > I am assuming that there is little cloud cover otherwise the jump > would not take place. > > All help gratefully received. > > Thanks > Dave > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Jul 14 23:49:21 2009 Received: (qmail 22501 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 21:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 21:49:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83B1EDC035 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B691E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8954634AC078 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:49:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1815634AC062 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:49:16 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7992 invoked by uid 502); 14 Jul 2009 21:49:14 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.202.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 21:49:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5CFD56.10109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:49:10 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CBD246714E74DC-DF8-2C3A@WEBMAIL-DZ21.sysops.aol.com> <4A5C8A76.1050208@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A5C8A76.1050208@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Polarizing filter tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jul 14 23:49:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5cfd61268821357919056 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Well, see, there's a niche you can fill! Since all the filters were loaned I'd bet the manufacturer's would be loathe to lend 5 at once so their QC could be evaluated! > "On that occasion, we would like to thank cordially the shops, which lent us the filters to test. " I suppose the manufacturers didn't know the test was being conducted. I think you can be sure B&W wouldn't have sent a linear polarizer marked circular if requested to provide a unit for test. ;-) Yes, you can test in seconds, but I don't recall how at the moment. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 00:17:29 2009 Received: (qmail 6015 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 22:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 22:17:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A320EEDC038 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44B9E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A7834AC029 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:17:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCDE34AC030 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:17:23 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6EMHFng024389 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:17:15 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.bf7.616ca9d9 (37055) for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mc01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mc01.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.97]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB041-d3cd4a5d03e118f; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:17:11 -0400 Received: from webmail-db16 (webmail-db16.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.81]) by smtprly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMC017-d3cd4a5d03e118f; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:17:05 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:17:05 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43792-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.81) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:17:05 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBD2E7F48A9B69-DBC-1904@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [OM] Polarizing filter tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 00:17:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d03f954831612113968 Ha! You are quite right they won't send a random sample of 5. I always worry that the QC/sample variability is an elephant standing in the room. Way TOO many reports of dud Canyon 24-105 f4IS "L lenses and even a cursory look into the Canyon 300 f4IS "L" results in one concluding that many dogs leave the factory. Of course a vocal tiny burned minority can make much noise these days. Mike Hatem of course found some significant wider aperture performance variability in the Z. 21 f2's, but none were dogs per se. I suspect high quality pol's might be difficult to manufacture and some measure of the index of dispersion in performance for a given brand would be very useful. We'll probably never see it. I'd bet the incidence a undeserved red dot being applied is very small. Mike Well, see, there's a niche you can fill! Since all the filters were loaned I'd bet the manufacturer's would be loathe to lend 5 at once so their QC could be evaluated! Chuck Norcutt usher99@xxxxxxx wrote: > Quite interesting, > Thanks for the link. Nice methodology but wished they tested five of > each type to help assess > manufacturing consistency. > Mike > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 00:56:11 2009 Received: (qmail 1621 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 22:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 22:56:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD6AE182EC for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4BBE240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5546134AC02F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:56:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB07A34AC029 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32472 invoked by uid 502); 14 Jul 2009 22:56:02 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.202.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 22:56:02 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5D0CFD.3090505@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:55:58 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A4B78DB.1050908@tc.umn.edu> <4A4C3489.2070200@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4C3489.2070200@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Images As The Mood Strikes - 18 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 00:56:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d0d0b101871612113968 Fun with flare. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 01:01:17 2009 Received: (qmail 16604 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 23:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 23:01:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B947EDC02E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5DFE240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B3F34AC030 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:01:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621F734AC029 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:01:11 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.214.80]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Unknown-00-22-41-fa-e8-a3.home (host217-42-159-218.range217-42.btcentralplus.com [217.42.159.218]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id GID05132 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4A5D0CFD.3090505@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:01:08 +0100 References: <4A4B78DB.1050908@tc.umn.edu> <4A4C3489.2070200@gmail.com> <4A5D0CFD.3090505@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] Images As The Mood Strikes - 18 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 01:01:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d0e3d77939752976205 Oooh, I do quite like that one--unusually, since Moose's style doesn't click with me, most of the time. Hope you don't mind my frankness (your posts are always good reading, however). /s On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:55 PM, Moose wrote: > Fun with flare. > > > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 01:02:39 2009 Received: (qmail 26942 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 23:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 23:02:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160EDEDC02A for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE31E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCBA34AC02F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065CB34AC029 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:02:32 -0700 (PDT) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id n6EN2TKn001508 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:02:31 GMT Message-ID: <658DE40679DE44DFAE57C9E66DB8664D@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A4B78DB.1050908@tc.umn.edu> <4A4C3489.2070200@gmail.com> <4A5D0CFD.3090505@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:02:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Images As The Mood Strikes - 18 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 01:02:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d0e8f311219752976205 Hi Moose, I like the image that you captured. I gather that the six rays are the result of a six-leaf aperture. You used the effect very well. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Images As The Mood Strikes - 18 > Fun with flare. > > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 01:06:17 2009 Received: (qmail 10631 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 23:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 23:06:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7ADCEDC006 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3574E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D726D1CD49E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:06:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC511CD497 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:06:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-d04.mx.aol.com (imr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-d04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a5d0f54235; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:05:56 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id 6.bea.4340e911 (37566) for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB043-5bc04a5d0f46160; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:05:51 -0400 Received: from webmail-db16 (webmail-db16.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.81]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA037-5bc04a5d0f46160; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:05:42 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:05:42 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 43792-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.81) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:05:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBD2EEBEBD58E9-DBC-1B36@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Polarizing filter tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 01:06:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d0f69172862517112723 Yep, I noticed that. That B&W pol had a super score too. Either they sent the wrong one or glued in the quater wave plate at an angle of 0 or 90 degrees against the azimuth of the polarizer, as mentioned. It was marked on the box AND ring of the pol as circular. Not good no matter how you slice it. Oh, the mirror test---the linear pol looks the same either way looking at its image in the mirror. The ciirc pol is dark with the cam side at your eye. I think I got that right. Mike I suppose the manufacturers didn't know the test was being conducted. I think you can be sure B&W wouldn't have sent a linear polarizer marked circular if requested to provide a unit for test. ;-) Yes, you can test in seconds, but I don't recall how at the moment. 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X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d14457411258626592 160348420769 On the usual site. Haven't seen one in awhile, esp this nice. No connection. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 01:32:37 2009 Received: (qmail 3770 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 23:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 23:32:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC57EEDC034 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A301FE240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7930734AC02F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:32:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B44D34AC029 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:32:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14872 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 23:32:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 23:32:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5D158C.4080007@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:32:28 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com><9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <1D77A8AF187340A68767E350B77CDDD2@MAIN> <4A5C943E.6000609@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5CC994.5050601@gmail.com> <4A5CDB09.6030103@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5CF417.6020109@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A5CF417.6020109@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090714-0, 07/14/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 01:32:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d1595264905368819438 I pondered that sentence myself and wondered if "calculated MTF" might mean what I suggested... that the lens MTF is back calculated from the system MTF. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I had not read this before and you raise some interesting and perplexing questions. I knew they were using DXO something and, since they show resolution in excess of the sensor resolution, I had assumed (bad) that they were measuring the lens independent of the sensor and also with the sensor since the tests clearly use a particular camera. You are right... where does the lens resolution beyond the sensor Nyquist limit come from? >> > > "Whenever the measured numbers exceed this value, this simply indicates > that the lens out-resolves the sensor at this point - the calculated MTF > values themselves become meaningless." Meaningless, but published. > > BTW, I really don't mean to slag their lens tests. I think they are > valuable and useful. I suspect that the things they measure are probably > fairly useful analogs for the more subtle things, i.e. those that do > well mostly will do well in less tangible areas of performance. > > Hard too, to fault them for not measuring the unmeasurable. :-) > Given the paucity of useful tests of lenses on FF sensors, I think they > are a great service. The side-by-side comparison feature is great. In a > short time, I can see just how the 50/1.8 I have compares to the 50/1.4 > in the areas they measure. At f1.8, the faster lens fall below the > slower one, and performance at f1.4 is well below the standard of both > lenses from f2.0-11. > > It looks too, like the f1.8 might theoretically be easier to focus > manually, as it is significantly sharper wide open than is the f1.4. > That doesn't factor in differences in MF focusing mechanisms. In any > case, I can see that upgrading would be about build quality, a tiny bit > of speed, AF speed/noise and bokeh, not sharpness, contrast and distortion. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 01:37:47 2009 Received: (qmail 20673 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 23:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 23:37:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CB8EDC036 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E9CE240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28A51CD493 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:37:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FA51CD488 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:37:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19520 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 23:37:39 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090714-0, 07/14/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Polarizing filter tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 01:37:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d16cb102691234514069 What's most disturbing to me is that I expect that the QC on "L" lenses is probably very good meaning that the identified "duds" are actually within spec. The Z 21s probably are too. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Ha! You are quite right they won't send a random sample of 5. I > always worry that the QC/sample variability is an elephant standing in > the room. Way TOO many reports of dud Canyon 24-105 f4IS "L lenses and > even a cursory look into the Canyon 300 f4IS "L" results in one > concluding that many dogs leave the factory. > Of course a vocal tiny burned minority can make much noise these days. > > Mike Hatem of course found some significant wider aperture > performance variability in the Z. 21 f2's, but none were dogs per se. I > suspect high quality pol's might be difficult to manufacture and some > measure of the index of dispersion in performance for a given brand > would be very useful. > We'll probably never see it. I'd bet the incidence a undeserved red > dot being applied is very small. > > Mike > > > > > Well, see, there's a niche you can fill! Since all the filters were > loaned I'd bet the manufacturer's would be loathe to lend 5 at once so > their QC could be evaluated! > > Chuck Norcutt > > usher99@xxxxxxx wrote: >> Quite interesting, >> Thanks for the link. Nice methodology but wished they tested five of >> each type to help assess >> manufacturing consistency. >> Mike >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 01:38:34 2009 Received: (qmail 2979 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 23:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 23:38:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F45CEDC026 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E443E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F0334AC03F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:38:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9384134AC02F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:38:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so1001633fgg.13 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:38:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.135.78 with SMTP id c14mr620756hbc.102.1247614705937; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:38:25 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) Fourth of July Parade X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 01:38:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d16fa55832439112457 Hi, Chris and all, From: Chris Barker > It works fine for me, Carlos. I accept that Safari 4 seems to stop > responding at times, but other than that it's great. > I knew you would reply quickly to my rant :-) Maybe you don't use tabs too much or, better said, don't use too many tabs! My current window has 18 tabs, and that's much less than some other times! Main problem is navigation thru tabs -- with just a few, it's easier with the mouse; but I do need the keyboard shortcuts for previous/next tab. Originally they were {Command+Left arrow} and {Command+Right arrow}, respectively, which I think is the proper way to do it, at least on a Mac. But somewhere in the 3.x era, an IDIOT inside Apple had the STUPID, nonsense idea of changing them to {Alt+Left arrow} and {Alt+Right arrow}... which are the SAME used for moving to the beginning and end in text fields. So when arriving to a tab with a selected text field, it stopped working! Quite annoying in my case. Now it comes Safari 4... again, I see a pointless, annoying change -- the stop/reload button to the right of the URL field, whereas in 3.x _and_ Firefox was to the left :-( But the new tab navigation shortcuts are, theoretically, {Control+Shift+Tab} and {Control+Tab}. And I say "theoretically" because... they DON'T work at all!!!!! Still, I find it much better than Firefox, especially on text rendering -- one of the best things about OS X, I don't know why they (Mozilla team) bother doing it their own way :-( However... -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 01:40:18 2009 Received: (qmail 3971 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 23:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 23:40:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F37EDC00F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3452E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC8534AC02F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194CC34AC030 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21423 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 23:40:10 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 090714-0, 07/14/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Images As The Mood Strikes - 18 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 01:40:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d176278115683411216 Excellent! The only thing missing is a few water drops on the lettuce. Maybe that's deliberate. You probably couldn't handle 500 requests to come to dinner. :-) Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Fun with flare. > > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 01:41:07 2009 Received: (qmail 8826 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 23:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 23:41:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331C0EDC047 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99175E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A7734AC030 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F4C34AC02F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:51 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f228.google.com (mail-fx0-f228.google.com [209.85.220.228]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm28 with SMTP id 28so622223fxm.14 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.134.71 with SMTP id 7mr552481hby.158.1247614850165; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:40:50 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] My new granddaughter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 01:41:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d179392581879814018 > > http://bit.ly/unnQt > ...Congratulations, Chris! May she grow strong and healthy. Cheers, and sorry for the previous rant, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 01:41:08 2009 Received: (qmail 5891 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 23:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 23:41:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF0CEDC04F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCF5E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDF01CD488 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18FAF19EC2F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-fx0-f228.google.com (mail-fx0-f228.google.com [209.85.220.228]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm28 with SMTP id 28so622065fxm.14 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.64.196 with SMTP id f4mr6737702bki.151.1247614809739; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:40:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5CEBEB.2050605@gmail.com> References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5C142B.7060503@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0907140959n2d98cbfehe05067fa3c3a3e01@mail.gmail.com> <4A5CCC60.8020307@gmail.com> <4A5CDCFB.5000209@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5CEBEB.2050605@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:40:09 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 239761b516f5fd6b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution? Which resolution? [was Value for money?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 01:41:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d1794270287801554290 Moose, it all looks plausable, but I don't have a clue what you just said. AG-mystified-Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 01:44:26 2009 Received: (qmail 5410 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 23:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 23:44:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31263E182B4 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33D3E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D963434AC070 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:44:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A1334AC030 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:44:20 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25868 invoked by uid 504); 14 Jul 2009 23:44:19 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 14 Jul 2009 23:44:19 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5D1852.3060808@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:44:18 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CBD2EEBEBD58E9-DBC-1B36@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CBD2EEBEBD58E9-DBC-1B36@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090714-0, 07/14/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Polarizing filter tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 01:44:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d185a39625368819438 You got it right although there's no statement here about which is the camera end on a circular... but you don't need to know either. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Yep, I noticed that. That B&W pol had a super score too. Either they > sent the wrong one or glued in the quater wave plate at an angle of 0 > or 90 degrees against the azimuth of the polarizer, as mentioned. It > was marked on the box AND ring of the pol as circular. Not good no > matter how you slice it. > > Oh, the mirror test---the linear pol looks the same either way looking > at its image in the mirror. The ciirc pol is dark with the cam side at > your eye. > I think I got that right. > > Mike > > > I suppose the manufacturers didn't know the test was being conducted. I > think you can be sure B&W wouldn't have sent a linear polarizer marked > circular if requested to provide a unit for test. ;-) Yes, you can test > in seconds, but I don't recall how at the moment. > > Moose > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 01:48:54 2009 Received: (qmail 21814 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 23:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 23:48:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E72EDC03B for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BE5E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049DF1CD493 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:48:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077111CD492 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:48:49 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so1403537bwz.14 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:48:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.134.71 with SMTP id 7mr552957hby.158.1247615326799; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:48:46 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] film for lens tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 01:48:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d1966187131342116753 Hi Edward and all, > From: "Sawyer, Edward" > Technidol is still available a few places if you look hard enough. I do have a few doses (sp?) of it, but I'm not sure about their state -- developers keep much worse than film! > The film is even easier to find (ebay) and keeps well. > I have a couple of rolls... but on ebay usually fetch high prices! :-( > Barring technidol, Photographer's Formulary have other normal-contrast > developers that work well with TP. In Spain, I know there is (or was) a similar alternative: "Technipan" (IIRC) from "Buenas Impresiones", but have no experience with it or any product from the brand -- highly acclaimed here, it seems. Not cheap, though. > Technidol keeps quite well actually, it's in liquid form inside mylar > packets, well sealed in a vacuum. So, in effect it keeps better than most > any other developer I can think of. Funny, I have it in small brown bottles -- bought in early 90's, I think. > Ektar 100 is great, the best currently-available color neg film available, > I think. Grain is almost as good as Ektar 25 (Some say it's AS good). It deserves some consideration. I'm not much into colour negatives, but I think I shoud refine my scanning technique. Thanks for your input, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 01:52:04 2009 Received: (qmail 19878 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2009 23:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 23:52:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FD6EDC028 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5EA7E240DF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA0A34AC030 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028B934AC02F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so1404384bwz.14 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:51:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.73.12 with SMTP id o12mr6961586bkj.80.1247615516144; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:51:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5D158C.4080007@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <1D77A8AF187340A68767E350B77CDDD2@MAIN> <4A5C943E.6000609@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5CC994.5050601@gmail.com> <4A5CDB09.6030103@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5CF417.6020109@gmail.com> <4A5D158C.4080007@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:51:56 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ec4dfe0a44c5b3ad Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 01:52:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d1a24118971342116753 A conclusion I take from all this is that you can do a whole lot worse than testing your lenses with a few rolls of Velvia 100 or PanF. It may not be the ultimate in lens test perfection, but it will achieve the goal for usable data that is relevant to your own imaging system. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 02:08:10 2009 Received: (qmail 799 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2009 00:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 00:08:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F169BEDC019 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A000AE24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7324E1CD488 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:08:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7511CD492 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:08:03 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9765 invoked by uid 504); 15 Jul 2009 00:08:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 15 Jul 2009 00:08:02 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5D1DE2.3050106@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:08:02 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A5880B3.1470.B7A619@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4A57EF45.5080404@chucknorcutt.com> <9e908c1f0907130738ud43af33o849250e7f6336def@mail.gmail.com> <4A5B7F8C.70208@chucknorcutt.com> <1D77A8AF187340A68767E350B77CDDD2@MAIN> <4A5C943E.6000609@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5CC994.5050601@gmail.com> <4A5CDB09.6030103@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5CF417.6020109@gmail.com> <4A5D158C.4080007@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090714-0, 07/14/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( DZ OM ) Value for money? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 02:08:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d1dea162791946193717 I can't argue with that. My conclusion on the other stuff is I don't know what I'm talking about yet. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > A conclusion I take from all this is that you can do a whole lot worse than > testing your lenses with a few rolls of Velvia 100 or PanF. > It may not be the ultimate in lens test perfection, but it will achieve the > goal for usable data that is relevant to your own imaging system. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 02:24:12 2009 Received: (qmail 22936 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2009 00:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 00:24:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283BBE182E3 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B425E24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2BBB1CD49A for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:24:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD731CD488 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:24:06 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268CD314090 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C527C314087 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A5D21A6.50805@interisland.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:24:06 -0700 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090714-0, 07/14/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: [OM] Critical Firefox 3.5 Security Hole X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 02:24:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d21ac171429730998309 I noticed that some of you have upgraded to FF3.5. There appears to be a security problem. > > Fortunately, there is a relatively easy fix for this that can be > reversed once Mozilla issues a patch. To disable the vulnerable > component, open up a new Firefox window and type "about:config" > (without the quotes) in the browser's address bar. In the "filter" > box, type "jit" and you should see a setting called > "javascript.options.jit.content". You should notice that beside that > setting it reads "true," meaning the setting is enabled. If you just > double-click on that setting, it should disable it, changing the > option to "false." That's it. > > Note that making this change will slow down Javascript rendering in > Firefox 3.5 to 3.0 speeds, but that may be a worthwhile trade-off for > readers concerned about the availability of exploit code for this flaw. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 02:26:06 2009 Received: (qmail 27403 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2009 00:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 00:26:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7285AE182B0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79674E24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE3C34AC030 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:25:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A59434AC029 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:25:58 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f228.google.com (mail-fx0-f228.google.com [209.85.220.228]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm28 with SMTP id 28so633316fxm.14 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:25:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.130.194 with SMTP id 2mr652166hbk.100.1247617556469; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:25:56 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution? Which resolution? [was Value for money?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 02:26:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d221e232691258626592 Hi Chuck, Ken, C.H., Moose and all, > From: Chuck Norcutt > Only at > f/5.6 to f/11 is the 70-200 able to equal or slightly exceed the 12.7 > megapixels of the 5D sensor (represented by the line labeled "Nyquist > frequency"). Below f/5.6 some irregular things start happening and > above f/11 diffraction begins its steady toll against resolution. > Yes, but this is a "photographic resolution" measure; that is, the resulting lens+sensor (or film) combo, so it's not fully representative of lens' performance alone. That said, > it's also easier to make a lens that resolves little pixels if the > sensor is small and the lens doesn't have to cover a large area. > I agree. From: Ken Norton > Well, I disagree in one aspect. It takes a minimum of twice the sensor > resolution to maximize lens resolution--and that's when the res chart is > perfectly aligned with the sensor. What about diagonal details? Sorry, you > need much more sensor resolution than what the lens is capable of > producing. I'm with Ken on this. Film will reach its resolving power no matter where or which orientation, but digital's grid sampling may need way more than two pixels in order to resolve a line-pair. And if we have into account Bayer's issues... > but just maybe I need to focus > less on technical aspects and more on artistic aspects. > And so I need ;-) From: "C.H.Ling" > I remember people mentioned the 'aerial resolution' (?) of lenses can over > 200lp/mm. Yes, "aerial" resolution, agains "photographic" resolution, is the resolving power of the lens alone, without the limitations of the film or sensor. I have a strong feeling that my 24/2 can do better with higher than 21MP sensor. > I'm pretty sure too, the 24/2 is an excellent performer. Do anyone out there want to part with one of them? ;-) ;-) ;-) From: Moose > 1. Judgments/measurements are made with a camera with AA filter in place. Interesting point. 2. The lppmm standard, while a good method to compare cameras with > different sensor sizes, is not ideal for lens comparisons or judgments > about lens vs. sensor resolution. > Not sure about what you mean... but I think it's inside the human behaviour the desire to get a simple number to measure things, to be able to say "mine is bigger than yours!" :-) :-) :-) 3. A nit pick. How can the system out resolve the "theoretical > resolution of the sensor", Nyquist frequency? > The Bayer matrix is, indeed, a very strange thing, and I feel demosaicing algorithms as rather obscure... so not sure which would be the _real_ Nyquist frequency of a Bayer sensor -- but see my point about Ken's quote. 1. Back in the area of #1 above, system bandwidth is a complex function > of the bandwidths of the components. Or not so complex? Even the > formula someone posted a little bit ago is probably too simple in the > real world. Don't recall the post, but [where the hell is my 'Optical Instrumentation' book??? Oh, it's here, below the Bessa R3A ;-)] it's usually defined as: "The inverse of the resolving power of the system, is equal to the sum of the inverses of the resolution of the individual components" But just like frequency response in audio, resolution should be measured at certain conditions, and should be the same in all components. Increase the resolving power of any one component and system resolution goes > up. If the improved component was the poorest, it goes up a lot, > but not as much as the % increase in the component. If it was already > the broadest component, bandwidth increases only a little. But it does > change. I agree. So there _is_ a reason for higher MP's ;-) 2. These luminance only, test pattern tests don't say a thing about > spatial color resolution. If Foveon sensors had fulfilled their apparent > potential, this wouldn't be an issue. > Very intersting point. I was very interested in Foveon sensors -- seems to me as the way to go. But I'm afraid that the technically worst solution is the one to succeed -- as usual :-( 3. There is an unspoken assumption in most web discussions of color > accuracy in digicams, but it is wrong. When we talk about sensors, we > act like the array filters are at least close to perfect. It just ain't > so. Look at the spectral responses of even the best quality photographic > filters. They aren't sharp cut-off tools, not even close. There's no real need for it, as the spectral response of the cones isn't either. But they should mimic the spectral response of the eye, and the tiny filters in microlenses seem to be far from it. > 4. No matter what the resolution chart tests say, all digital capture > involves sampling and that sampling always reduces > sharpness/contrast/clarity/whatever along any edge that is not exactly > aligned with the sensor array. Agreed -- even more with the Bayer trick. That they don't say it all is > testified to by the decades of testimony of practical photographers > about meaningful difference between lenses that aren't reflected in > simple resolution tests. Sure, that's why I prefer a more "real world" test. Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 02:48:30 2009 Received: (qmail 23549 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2009 00:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 00:48:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98BBE182D4 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C50E24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6490B1CD49A for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:48:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27981CD493 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:48:24 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so1418294bwz.14 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:48:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.146 with SMTP id i18mr6926529bkg.82.1247618902525; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:48:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5D1852.3060808@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CBD2EEBEBD58E9-DBC-1B36@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com> <4A5D1852.3060808@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:48:20 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: da9a939a3fdf0d95 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Polarizing filter tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 02:48:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d275e119961234514069 I think I have a hint, now, as to why I've had far better results with linear polarizers than circulars. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 02:55:28 2009 Received: (qmail 31041 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2009 00:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 00:55:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CCBE182D0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412FDE24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE06134AC030 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:55:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7391134AC02F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:55:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6643 invoked by uid 504); 15 Jul 2009 00:55:20 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 15 Jul 2009 00:55:20 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5D28F7.1090607@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:55:19 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090714-0, 07/14/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Resolution? Which resolution? [was Value for money?] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 02:55:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d2900157924877110844 I don't believe the technically worst solution has won. The working solution has won. Foveon was a great idea on paper but it hasn't delivered on its hopeful promises. That's why it hasn't succeeded. Chuck Norcutt Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > > 2. These luminance only, test pattern tests don't say a thing about >> spatial color resolution. If Foveon sensors had fulfilled their apparent >> potential, this wouldn't be an issue. >> > > Very intersting point. I was very interested in Foveon sensors -- seems to > me as the way to go. But I'm afraid that the technically worst solution is > the one to succeed -- as usual :-( -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 02:56:40 2009 Received: (qmail 15577 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2009 00:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 00:56:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31C7E1822D for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC72E24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8F81CD493 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:56:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1273F1CD492 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:56:35 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7427 invoked by uid 504); 15 Jul 2009 00:56:34 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 15 Jul 2009 00:56:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5D2941.9080205@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:56:33 -0400 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CBD2EEBEBD58E9-DBC-1B36@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com> <4A5D1852.3060808@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090714-0, 07/14/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Polarizing filter tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 02:56:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d2948265271234514069 Put your circular polarizers on backwards do you? Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > I think I have a hint, now, as to why I've had far better results with > linear polarizers than circulars. > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 03:02:43 2009 Received: (qmail 22742 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2009 01:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 01:02:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76D8E182B2 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80FCCE24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C9934AC03F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:02:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1175B34AC030 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:02:38 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18986 invoked by uid 502); 15 Jul 2009 01:02:36 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.202.12) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 15 Jul 2009 01:02:36 -0000 Message-ID: <4A5D2AA7.9030600@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:02:31 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CBD2EEBEBD58E9-DBC-1B36@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com> <4A5D1852.3060808@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5D2941.9080205@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A5D2941.9080205@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Polarizing filter tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 03:02:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d2ab369475683411216 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Put your circular polarizers on backwards do you? > I think he is referring to the fact that the "accidental" testing of a linear polarizer gave far the best test results. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 03:16:50 2009 Received: (qmail 5561 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2009 01:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 01:16:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4428BE182B5 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F73E24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820551CD485 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:16:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2819219FFAB for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:16:45 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 894 invoked by uid 502); 15 Jul 2009 01:16:44 -0000 Received: from ppp-71-139-202-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) 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There appears to be a > security problem. > Thanks for the heads up! False Jit Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 03:26:13 2009 Received: (qmail 2641 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2009 01:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 01:26:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A552EE182D0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8643E24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5551CD485 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:26:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9E11CD488 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:26:08 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n6F1Q5xD025026 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:26:05 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n6F1Q4uv000097 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:26:04 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CBD2E7F48A9B69-DBC-1904@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com> <4A5D16C2.5040800@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:25:39 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Polarizing filter tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Jul 15 03:26:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4a5d3035200101879814018 Yeah! Just like Olympus said 0.4 deg sensor tilt is within their factory specification of E-3. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > What's most disturbing to me is that I expect that the QC on "L" lenses > is probably very good meaning that the identified "duds" are actually > within spec. The Z 21s probably are too. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > usher99@aol.com wrote: >> Ha! You are quite right they won't send a random sample of 5. I >> always worry that the QC/sample variability is an elephant standing in >> the room. Way TOO many reports of dud Canyon 24-105 f4IS "L lenses and >> even a cursory look into the Canyon 300 f4IS "L" results in one >> concluding that many dogs leave the factory. >> Of course a vocal tiny burned minority can make much noise these days. >> >> Mike Hatem of course found some significant wider aperture >> performance variability in the Z. 21 f2's, but none were dogs per se. I >> suspect high quality pol's might be difficult to manufacture and some >> measure of the index of dispersion in performance for a given brand >> would be very useful. >> We'll probably never see it. I'd bet the incidence a undeserved red >> dot being applied is very small. >> >> Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Jul 15 03:36:27 2009 Received: (qmail 9365 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2009 01:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 01:36:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF456E182E5 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BF8E24A9E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41B81CD492 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:36:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDA91CD485 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:36:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so1430283bwz.14 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:36:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.212 with SMTP id n20mr7077412bkq.138.1247621780575; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:36:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5D2AA7.9030600@gmail.com> References: <8CBD2EEBEBD58E9-DBC-1B36@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com> <4A5D1852.3060808@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5D2941.9080205@chucknorcutt.com> <4A5D2AA7.9030600@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:36:20 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b18ff9cb56898fb1 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Polarizing filter tests X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-