From nilsf Sun Nov 1 00:19:52 2009 Received: (qmail 23847 invoked by uid 0); 31 Oct 2009 23:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 31 Oct 2009 23:19:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A126E18148 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E46E240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D26719FD39 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:19:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F6E19F9F4 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:19:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12518 invoked by uid 502); 31 Oct 2009 23:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.179.127) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 31 Oct 2009 23:19:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4AECC60C.6060104@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:19:40 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC20A18146B671-30CC-A288@webmail-d058.sysops.aol.com> <005201ca59eb$02dceca0$0896c5e0$@com> <790216.2184.qm@web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <100.6824050047f3eb4a.004@comkal.net> <122133.75491.qm@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AECA3B5.5080906@gmail.com> <4AECBC43.4060600@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AECBC43.4060600@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Auto Bellows on digital bodies X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 00:19:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aecc618312001413256596 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Eh? How does that help? Both the E-1 and E-500 have the same sensor size but the E-1 (unlike the E-500) doesn't have a built-in flash protrusion and doesn't need an extension tube. Or have I missed your meaning entirely? > Yes, you have. What I mean is that labeling a table "E-500, E-510 with 7mm" will lead to inevitable questions from those with E-520, 620 and future models. I would instead label the table "4/3 sensor with 7mm extension tube". Anyone with camera, adapter, tube(s) and bellows in hand will obviously know which tube they needed to mount the bellows. So the tables become: 4/3 sensor with 7mm extension tube (13.5x18mm) 4/3 sensor without extension tube (13.5x18mm) APS-C sensor with 14mm extension tube (22.2 x 14.8 mm*) Full Frame film or sensor with 7mm Extension tube (24x36mm) * Individual models vary slightly. ----------------- If desired, a second table could document models and tube needed for each. Note that Alan wrote "It looks as though I need 4 new tables for each macro lens:" With camera models noted in the table titles, adding new models could be quite a chore for all those individual tables. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 00:32:34 2009 Received: (qmail 17929 invoked by uid 0); 31 Oct 2009 23:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 31 Oct 2009 23:32:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41771E1822B for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8614E240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B095019EF56 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:32:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEC419FD53 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:32:27 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24526 invoked by uid 502); 31 Oct 2009 23:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.179.127) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 31 Oct 2009 23:32:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4AECC906.8020708@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:32:22 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186EE99615@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> <9053938.15051256911828172.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4AEBAB8E.9020603@gmail.com> <4942532.15391256998572888.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <4942532.15391256998572888.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Subject: Re: [OM] 250/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 00:32:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aecc912324616107113666 Dawid Loubser wrote: > ... > If you need more DOF, then the 200mm and 300mm zuikos, with their much easier carrying, make a lot more sense. The OM 300mm f/4.5 is certainly a very very good lens, I must say I don't use mine enough. > I find a big difference in practical use between the 200s and the 300/4.5. The 200s, and particularly the f5, are easy to carry and use casually and hand held. The 300/4.5 really is awkward to use without a tripod, or at least monopod, at least for me. > The focusing, for tracking any kind of moving target, is terrible on the 300/4.5 though. > Apparently, I either have stronger hands or my example is unusual, as I find the focusing action quite good. That said, for tracking moving things, I'd be using the 28-300 IS lens on the 5D. AF with IS rules for that use. Then, maybe that's why I find the 300/4.5 focus fine, 'cause I only use it on a tripod for stationary or close to stationary subjects. > I wish they had brought out a later, internal focusing variant of one of the small 200mm / 300mm lenses. > I don't know if it is universally true, but I do know that many internal focus lenses vary in focal length as they are focused. I'm not sure I would want that on a long tele. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 01:11:35 2009 Received: (qmail 32633 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 00:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 00:11:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113A7E18236 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DCBE240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BE019FDCA for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:11:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE08619FDC9 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:11:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.106]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 61667 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2009 00:11:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20478.59125.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Rr_pEkcVM1mgJ81Nty1ssg74bjaDBXcF8.J_fEAxL0MmZvYfyjZRFbGWzVgl0tyMRigEHZvvEBWnU4xqjC7UqCjZaptJwfeUqgT1iEbUgKkRUXE.6e9NcgrU9ALPriHrB46Dq__5XbMHrM.MtOcydPHSwrJbuiHY3j4uLUszIG7PXYIAJaKzpkRz9g_vcdnsdT3p.QECnr5r93CblprUvx8UXSK5R2Th9gYOgidMYtp0BLBNWRHvycA93YIo.6lUtd5CWO4AGs3ZmRc4xvxyz.k2PjnrBvwxA0SLQaGQEKP6PpdAOw0aJsP87es70t6hxtSrKBL87Jcvw48G81qMd.vl.5q7giwBIJ8Gjbm4hoLu86aN_IWdhdfU5qsQ5AF27tPpVPLzKI0ZhzmExEok1W7gdzYNj5zK71Xl.GJD7AO71xT0vqv3wg-- Received: from [99.37.158.77] by web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:11:27 PDT X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:11:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AECC906.8020708@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 01:11:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aecd237209231073733319 I came across this long commercial film made in Aus using Canyon 5D with pr= ime lenses.=A0 Interesting seeing a film made using only primes no Zooms.= =A0 It would be interesting to see on a large screen. anybody know why you cant use at least an MF zoom lens on these bodies in v= ideo mode? =A0 Tim Hughes =A0 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 01:12:47 2009 Received: (qmail 17426 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 00:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 00:12:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B25E18148 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC60FE240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18223610001 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:12:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178E634AC025 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:12:25 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.111]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 72521 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2009 00:12:24 -0000 Message-ID: <481904.89323.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Lde4vIQVM1mJn8IqhezS0ickAEWwiUEWi_WuZC1to_jjHPzrNn3byh_VGrCOzrBdJxA6mjVG.vMKkp2OPfwW4PeTMjAbKNF283j9_CruIH.A4xQ17b743LcGHl4w6jCs3TFuepMXw8iNRDvuP65W46plr92U2ZILUcpuJ6BQSJSYA.K3_pkXkFgEcu9ZW5f_5ll97aOpasxIHm5zsxXnxo2sBYDGxt7rTkIJJVDWyk_yXDpaLgYtwzJFkNlvBqQ17.gSeo05l4feP28esmQyS8vPBSd6Seh.TS_x3fhx9.56FztjjDd01cWI3IfwKXZ94uw9iAjBN7G6fnDMsEvv6M1YHXyNbxXUi5BsaiQDRixgLoL15xHgRubrRyUWG4N6hH4WigXxymB6I53vDxr8XaWQNOnYkawhanpFqnhc0Gr791yNPZttEFBqByWBO8MdzJvXqKuMqHrIS5H_Dlj0mZQbV9JOYn4- Received: from [99.37.158.77] by web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:12:24 PDT X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:12:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <20478.59125.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 01:12:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aecd27f206579752976205 OOps forgot the link! http://www.vimeo.com/4685373 =A0 --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Tim Hughes wrote: From: Tim Hughes Subject: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 5:11 PM I came across this long commercial film made in Aus using Canyon 5D with pr= ime lenses.=A0 Interesting seeing a film made using only primes no Zooms.= =A0 It would be interesting to see on a large screen. anybody know why you cant use at least an MF zoom lens on these bodies in v= ideo mode? =A0 Tim Hughes =A0 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 01:49:56 2009 Received: (qmail 11166 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 00:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 00:49:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23125E18244 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9432FE240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73CEE3610001 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:49:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D354034AC025 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:49:47 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2886 invoked by uid 502); 1 Nov 2009 00:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.179.127) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2009 00:49:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4AECDB25.7030003@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:49:41 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AECF557.30766.466983@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4AECF557.30766.466983@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 01:49:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aecdb3462552439112457 Brian Swale wrote: > Jeff Keller wrote > > >> Wow, there's a lot of very nice pictures there Brian. I don't see any need >> for mousification. There does seem to be some post processing going on ... >> the tulips look more like a painting than a photo (great picture). >> > > Thanks Jeff. Yes, some photos were heavily modified using FastStone Image Viewer to overcome various deficiencies. Just a personal opinion, at which I hope you don't take offense, but I think using FastStone as an image editor is a bit like using a wrench to drive a nail. It can be done, but the experience and results will both generally leave much to be desired. > From memory, the two internal shots of the clock-tower, and the tulips, more than others. Re the tulips, the camera chose to take the exposure reading from the (very late afternoon) sky at a rainy moment. This defeated the composition I wanted. > I think it's unfair to blame the camera. You set the exposure method and compensation. If you are going to let the camera set excposure without your intervention, at least use its smarter metering mode, ESP, I think, for this camera. Center weighted averaging without exercising some thought is just asking for trouble. And then, you've got instant feedback on the LCD, both histogram and image. If the exposure is off, it's on you. BUT, but, it looks to me like the exposure is right on the money. Perhaps by mistake, you've properly exposed to the right. Compare the tulips to the vineyard. At least as presented, the sky in the vineyard is quite unsightly, with large areas of undifferentiated pure white where our eyes know there was tonal detail. The tulip sky is nicely captured, giving a good tonal rendition of a cloudy day. The web version has a bit of clipped highlight, but very little and it may be from processing. > ... > > Anyway, for the tulips image in-camera, the sky was beautiful but the land was nearly black. So I cranked up Gamma, modified Contrast, sharpened, possibly added Saturation, and accepted the heavy noise as being part of > the unavoidable price for rescuing a shot otherwise fit only for the discard bin. > I'm not seeing a lot of noise in the web size image. The E-3 has quite low noise at ISO 100. I'm pretty sure if this had been a RAW file that the foreground could have been very nicely lightened without excessive noise. It seems to me that you are applying film thought and technique to digital work. What you saw as a shot fit for the dustbin was in fact a well exposed shot for capturing a high dynamic range scene on a DSLR. All that said, it seems to me that you have produced a rather nice result - especially for working with a wrench. :-) Using more sophisticated tools, ti's certainly possible to add a little more pop, and to make the cloud tonalities a little more obvious, either of which you may or may not like. > ... > > About the Mt Cook scenes; while I do respect the expertise of our Moosie with his computer, as far as cameras and computers can capture colour well, the powder blue of the shots I have posted is pretty accurate and I did not mess with that (except to not use the Circ Pol Filter shots I have from the Zuiko 100/2). Moose may have apparently removed the haze, but in doing so also removed the essential colour element of those photos. > Easy enough to return the water to the original colour. > Remember, it was just under 40 miles (as the blow flies) from the camera to that hill. The air clarity was exceptionally good for that area, that afternoon.. > As I tried to make clear in my post, I was simply using your images, as they came immediately to hand, to further answer Bill's question as to how one could recover colour and detail lost to haze. If this image were mine, I almost certainly not go so far as I did here, to proce a point.I'd probably go part way, as perhaps in the softer version I've added to the example. > The combination of great visibility and colour induced me to break a trip that was eventually to take 11 hours, to spend nearly 2 hours on taking photos. > > :-) > Crazy - but that's how you get the great images. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 02:00:20 2009 Received: (qmail 10784 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 01:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 01:00:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C831E18255 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF762E240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BD019FE54 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:00:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF1319FE52 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:00:12 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA1109UW011543 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:00:09 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <69184C3DF6374D18B0CDE49DC9DE7696@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <481904.89323.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:59:15 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 02:00:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aecdda4254552439112457 It is possible to use MF zoom for movie, I did many with OM zooms on 5D II but they were handheld Disneyland fun nothing professional look. You really need a tripod and movie head if you need something good which enable a more stable screen during zooming. The 50-250 and 65-200 with single focus/zoom ring are good candidates for movies but they miss a tripod ring. BTW, the 5D II is really bad in design for video, the video shot button is the "OK" button at the center of the rear thumb dial it is very difficult to operate. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hughes" OOps forgot the link! http://www.vimeo.com/4685373 --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Tim Hughes wrote: From: Tim Hughes Subject: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 5:11 PM I came across this long commercial film made in Aus using Canyon 5D with prime lenses. Interesting seeing a film made using only primes no Zooms. It would be interesting to see on a large screen. anybody know why you cant use at least an MF zoom lens on these bodies in video mode? Tim Hughes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 02:20:37 2009 Received: (qmail 30929 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 01:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 01:20:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042D5E18236 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A596E240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D4D19FE8E for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:20:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CD619FDAB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:20:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13753 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2009 01:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 01:15:20 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <20478.59125.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:20:29 +1100 References: <20478.59125.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 02:20:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aece265175121006886880 Many but not all zoom lenses defocus slightly with zooming, I understand. Enough to be a problem? Also it would be awkward without a lens ring handle - like the focus handle-grip made for MF SLRs like 'blad and Kowa. Often wondered why no-one made these for smaller lenses - works well on tiny lenses like Voigt. rangefinder lenses. In fact, to use a 5D2 seriously for movie work, I'd want something that provided movie cam style handling like a grip frame with mike and light mounts plus focus and zoom handles, screen hood, etc. Frankly, it's a bloody awkward camera for moving pictures, even on a tripod, for all but static studio shooting. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 01/11/2009, at 11:11 AM, Tim Hughes wrote: > anybody know why you cant use at least an MF zoom lens on these > bodies in video mode? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 02:23:36 2009 Received: (qmail 13117 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 01:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 01:23:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1BAE18255 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27451E240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D8D3610002 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:23:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887863610001 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:23:30 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32069 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2009 01:23:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091031-0, 10/31/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Auto Bellows on digital bodies X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 02:23:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aece318236659752976205 OK, now I see the point if the intent is to produce magnification tables. But the info of extension required by body is still valuable. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Eh? How does that help? Both the E-1 and E-500 have the same sensor size but the E-1 (unlike the E-500) doesn't have a built-in flash protrusion and doesn't need an extension tube. Or have I missed your meaning entirely? >> > > Yes, you have. What I mean is that labeling a table "E-500, E-510 with > 7mm" will lead to inevitable questions from those with E-520, 620 and > future models. > > I would instead label the table "4/3 sensor with 7mm extension tube". > Anyone with camera, adapter, tube(s) and bellows in hand will obviously > know which tube they needed to mount the bellows. > > So the tables become: > 4/3 sensor with 7mm extension tube (13.5x18mm) > 4/3 sensor without extension tube (13.5x18mm) > APS-C sensor with 14mm extension tube (22.2 x 14.8 mm*) > Full Frame film or sensor with 7mm Extension tube (24x36mm) > > * Individual models vary slightly. > ----------------- > If desired, a second table could document models and tube needed for each. > > Note that Alan wrote "It looks as though I need 4 new tables for each > macro lens:" With camera models noted in the table titles, adding new > models could be quite a chore for all those individual tables. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 02:28:06 2009 Received: (qmail 382 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 01:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 01:28:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E527EE1822B for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FAAE240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8CD19FEA2 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:27:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1376319FEA0 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:27:59 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so5047059bwz.30 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:27:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.102.177.33 with SMTP id z33mr1399370mue.87.1257038877497; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:27:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AECC906.8020708@gmail.com> References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186EE99615@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> <9053938.15051256911828172.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4AEBAB8E.9020603@gmail.com> <4942532.15391256998572888.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4AECC906.8020708@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:27:57 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750910311827y7fd6e63j5a5cc4d276311d0c@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 250/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 02:28:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aece426300301220213263 2009/10/31 Moose : > The 300/4.5 really is awkward to use without a > tripod, or at least monopod, at least for me. Agree, absolutely - only that I love using tripods :-) > >> The focusing, for tracking any kind of moving target, is terrible on the= 300/4.5 though. >> > > Apparently, I either have stronger hands or my example is unusual, as I > find the focusing action quite good. (snip!) Then, maybe that's why I fi= nd the 300/4.5 focus fine, 'cause I > only use it on a tripod for stationary or close to stationary subjects. Found my example perhaps as unusual as yours - I quite prefer it so: not too stiff, neither too loose: accuracy is guaranteed, so does spot metering if using a 4/4Ti. Besides, my subjects tend to be stationary, maybe because I spend some time waiting / thinking for a better composition - thus I only take two to four frames from the same subject. Sometimes I shoot more than one just because I like the composition, and want to have two shots just in case, if possible. I bracket, or vary DOF one or two stops, just in case. Same subjects gets only one to four frames. I like it that way: it makes me think and consider and contemplate before shooting. I'd say I somehow 'blend' with the subject. No snapshots, but that Pricipia is not an inflexible one.Maybe it's that I'm not able to make it otherwise, but I enjoy it better this way. IMHO Fernando > -- = Dr.Fernando Gonz=E1lez Gentile Av.L.P.Ponce 1526B 11600 Montevideo, Uruguay. 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(VPS 091031-0, 10/31/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 02:32:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aece51e2724877110844 Did you notice the apparent curvature of the helicopter's rotor blades and sometimes reverse rotation. I believe that's the FP shutter. Chuck Norcutt Tim Hughes wrote: > OOps forgot the link! > > http://www.vimeo.com/4685373 > > > --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Tim Hughes wrote: > > > From: Tim Hughes > Subject: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 5:11 PM > > > I came across this long commercial film made in Aus using Canyon 5D with prime lenses. Interesting seeing a film made using only primes no Zooms. It would be interesting to see on a large screen. > anybody know why you cant use at least an MF zoom lens on these bodies in video mode? > > Tim Hughes > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 02:45:14 2009 Received: (qmail 10526 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 01:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 01:45:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A5FE182A0 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0687BE240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC44F19FED7 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:45:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1169919FED5 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:45:07 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15721 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2009 01:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 01:39:55 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <20478.59125.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:45:04 +1100 References: <20478.59125.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 02:45:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aece82a325371342116753 Having watched it now - damn, wish I could afford the trip! Great place to spend a winter. (Not nice in summer). Why would you bother with a zoom? The shots are careful setups, there's no wild handheld work here and look at the use of DOF - great. The guy sitting on the dock really punches out - it really is like a moving portrait rather than 'film'. Interesting choice of lenses - 24mm, 50mm, 85mm and 400mm. Not sure if I'd have been brave enough to go without a 200mm! The 400/4 DO lens would be great - very light. The whole 'feel' is different to regular movie work. Just watched District 9 - they used RED. Couldn't do that with a 5D2! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 01/11/2009, at 11:11 AM, Tim Hughes wrote: > I came across this long commercial film made in Aus using Canyon 5D > with prime lenses. Interesting seeing a film made using only primes > no Zooms. It would be interesting to see on a large screen. > anybody know why you cant use at least an MF zoom lens on these > bodies in video mode? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 02:58:53 2009 Received: (qmail 10352 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 01:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 01:58:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49243E1824D for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D920DE240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81C319FF13 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:58:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA9319FF0A for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:58:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA11wjh5019359 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:58:45 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <481904.89323.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4AECE517.7020602@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:58:28 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 02:58:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeceb5d214985368819438 Don't know if this is the camera problem but the movie is not playing smooth, seems converted with wrong frame rate. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Did you notice the apparent curvature of the helicopter's rotor blades > and sometimes reverse rotation. I believe that's the FP shutter. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Tim Hughes wrote: >> OOps forgot the link! >> >> http://www.vimeo.com/4685373 >> >> >> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Tim Hughes wrote: >> >> >> From: Tim Hughes >> Subject: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 5:11 PM >> >> >> I came across this long commercial film made in Aus using Canyon 5D with >> prime lenses. Interesting seeing a film made using only primes no Zooms. >> It would be interesting to see on a large screen. >> anybody know why you cant use at least an MF zoom lens on these bodies in >> video mode? >> >> Tim Hughes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 03:00:53 2009 Received: (qmail 11352 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 02:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 02:00:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B93E1824C for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F35E240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF3434AC025 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:00:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D20B34AC024 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:00:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA120j9p008522 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:00:45 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.d09.502de8c3 (37034) for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB024-5c4b4aecebc6191; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:00:40 -0400 Received: from webmail-d021 (webmail-d021.sim.aol.com [205.188.181.23]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA021-5c4b4aecebc6191; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:00:38 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:00:38 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.216 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 28878-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.216 by webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.23) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:00:38 -0400 Message-Id: <8CC28AE3E18D7EA-26DC-1B6E0@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Spotted: Color-Heliar Voigtlander 75mm F2.5 SL for OM X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 03:00:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aecebd558491342116753 Thanks for the link. The history of lens development is quite intriguing. I like the translation of the patent: " To all Whom it may concern: Be it known that I, Hans Harting, director, a subject of the Emperor of Germany, residing at Bruinswick, Duchy of Bruinswick, Empire of Germany, have invented certain new and useful Improvements in Lenses, of which the following is a specification.... Also in the link: Aside from its actual optical qualities, part of the Heliar's lore is related to Japanese Emperor Hirohito, who is claimed to have so admired the Heliar lens, that he would only allow his picture to be taken with a Heliar. Mike Director, Empire of Big Foot (longer brother still eludes capture) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 03:04:25 2009 Received: (qmail 13097 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 02:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 02:04:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10199E181BA for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C39E240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C341534AC024 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:04:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7769E34AC026 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:04:19 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.65]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 75079 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2009 02:04:19 -0000 Message-ID: <981627.74881.qm@web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tk75CJIVM1lo353EdsmeCU3RIzPIbQ4kvf3gW7tSfU4z.iUMaWqIuggHQ76JKLg3tyINEHHuZseeADSWwVkGQcHV1a2c1uTxouIHqNxR6WBAmgiJLaeu9HzqFHVmm1eNdMD.IL.JgnQbs4rG6g4JjBl2lFwwNvBvzKauPTsaTYTm68x7wpGf2sT2ZqGgHrPQebpH38FgFmZ7wVE5ktW9dnohMmQ_QuuYmvvMQ0D8wz8NKnhggxgpehnMCCYbNT2jwmmKJucS8g3gYqbwWmaZvjkXb1gz.BKNfePk6bvY3ge3HRL77Yw6FcXoW6QMmlnUS64u2EiozEgRbpCfOa5wDWLa8mHSJrTYJrQLAtwN5.phaXsHizvJHWh9 Received: from [74.110.3.107] by web39804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:04:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 03:04:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aececa940111612113968 Gorgeous scenery. This is made with primes only? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 03:06:03 2009 Received: (qmail 10042 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 02:06:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 02:06:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE17E181AC for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D67FE240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B5F19FF22 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:05:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4364C19FF21 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:05:57 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16288 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2009 02:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 02:00:46 -0000 Message-Id: <7EA7422C-00E0-4BA7-8F40-CE1186C3E9EA@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AECE517.7020602@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:05:55 +1100 References: <481904.89323.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4AECE517.7020602@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 03:06:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeced0b14172013633067 Quick response without checking - I doubt that the FP shutter is used for 30fps movie mode. That would kill an SLR shutter fairly quickly and the noise would be unamusing, especially when it failed! The Lartigue car wheel thesis is fun but it's likely to be an effect of the frame rate surely. Canon's update for manual control certainly implies this and on the few occasions I've idly pressed that button, the action was silent. I really should shoot some movie this summer but it's not something that I ever really do or ever have. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 01/11/2009, at 12:32 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Did you notice the apparent curvature of the helicopter's rotor blades > and sometimes reverse rotation. I believe that's the FP shutter. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 03:08:34 2009 Received: (qmail 3238 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 02:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 02:08:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A00E181DE for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045FBE240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B9F34AC025 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:08:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E33934AC024 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:08:28 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17509 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2009 02:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 02:03:17 -0000 Message-Id: <3107D583-E379-4301-BEED-3992564C741C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:08:26 +1100 References: <481904.89323.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4AECE517.7020602@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 03:08:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeceda2191832439112457 There is some jerky tripod panning at the beginning and some questionable edits but otherwise it's smooth on my monitor. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 01/11/2009, at 12:58 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Don't know if this is the camera problem but the movie is not playing > smooth, seems converted with wrong frame rate. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 03:19:52 2009 Received: (qmail 21767 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 02:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 02:19:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A168DE18247 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAA6E240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC8719FF41 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:19:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B789219FF21 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:19:46 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA12JeEq025106 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:19:40 -0400 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.c14.70cf3631 (43837) for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC032-5c484aecf03527c; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:19:39 -0400 Received: from webmail-d021 (webmail-d021.sim.aol.com [205.188.181.23]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA016-5c484aecf03527c; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:19:33 -0400 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:19:33 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.216 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 28878-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.216 by webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.23) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:19:33 -0400 Message-Id: <8CC28B0E2F9DC60-26DC-1B8F4@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Geocoding images [was A Few From Acadia National Park] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 03:19:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aecf04892296107113666 Thanks for the analysis. I get it. I think the IGOT-U did get me and I should get it. Sorry, it feels late even if it will soon be an hour earlier. I found my review on the Jobo and there is some issue of it not being secure enough in the hot shoe. Mike I don't think the Jobo was out when I did my original research. And I'm not sure I would have opted for it even if the price were the same: - Size does make a difference for me. :-) Carrying the I-gotU is really transparent. - I see the mounting sticking up like a small flash as awkward. I'm forever in odd positions trying to get an angle. I perceive the Jobo as likely to be annoying in my use. - Two of my active digicams don't have a hot shoe, or any external flash connection, so the Jobo won't work with them. I did a whole day's shooting in NY with A650 alone and the I-gotU worked fine for that, including geotagging the JPEGs. The EXIF geo data then gets copied to the TIFFs from RAW conversion, along with the rest of the EXIF I have to copy anyway. - As you surmise, I fairly often carry and use two cameras, which is no problem with the I-gotU. As to downsides: - I've run into no bugs at all in gadget or software to date. - The lack of native capability for anything but JPEG is only a minor annoyance. If there weren't free, capable apps to do the geotagging, it would be a big deal. As it is, the extra time and trouble is minimal. - It's hard to see the little signal LEDs in bright light, because they are inside the slightly translucent case so the whole thing can be watertight. This bothered me until I worked out my process and became confident that it just works. - It can take it a long time to sync up with the satellites when first turned on - at least if I am silly and just turn it on and start walking. I guess being on the move makes it harder to latch on. Not that I ever lost locations I needed that way. Still, I worked out a process of setting it out, say on the car roof, while getting jacket on, gear hung on me, etc. Then check in the shade of my hand and it was always already recording by the time I was ready to walk off. - I can see why they don't have a replaceable battery. The gadget would be larger and less simple. It is nice that it's so light and tiny, is completely waterproof and has only the one button interface. My guess is that the battery will outlast device obsolescence, but I can't be sure. Moose -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 03:54:37 2009 Received: (qmail 27630 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 02:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 02:54:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49313E1819D for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B636E240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3683319FFC3 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:54:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC5219FFC4 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:54:31 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA12sTiJ027134 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:54:29 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <179CD3EC573747D0A3725AEFF13E1976@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <481904.89323.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4AECE517.7020602@chucknorcutt.com> <3107D583-E379-4301-BEED-3992564C741C@people.net.au> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:54:12 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 03:54:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aecf86d7341234514069 I have to check my setup, my two desktops for 1080 home movies and HDTV see non smooth play back on this small video, problem was repeatable on the same location so should not be a network problem. Overall the whole movie was not smooth, more obvious at the beginning and two men carry luggage on board. I have similar problem playing original 5D II 1080 movie file with Quicktime player (no problem with K-lite code pack). I also found similar problem if convert the 5D II movie to different frame rate. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" > There is some jerky tripod panning at the beginning and some > questionable edits but otherwise it's smooth on my monitor. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 01/11/2009, at 12:58 PM, C.H.Ling wrote: > >> Don't know if this is the camera problem but the movie is not playing >> smooth, seems converted with wrong frame rate. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 04:03:49 2009 Received: (qmail 15940 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 03:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 03:03:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788CBE1822D for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088E2E240CB for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8A234AC027 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:03:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9FB34AC024 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:03:44 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA133hhh028402 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:03:43 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <1E0E97999B384CC78B503394D3A8FCAE@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <20478.59125.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:03:25 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 04:03:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aecfa9517901234514069 Focus shift could be a problem for modern AF zoom (especially the 28-135 IS I had), 1080 movie is rather demanding. My OM Zuiko zooms are calibrated to very high accuracy, there is no noticeable shift for 65-200 and very minor shift for 50-250. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" > Many but not all zoom lenses defocus slightly with zooming, I > understand. Enough to be a problem? > Also it would be awkward without a lens ring handle - like the focus > handle-grip made for MF SLRs like 'blad and Kowa. Often wondered why > no-one made these for smaller lenses - works well on tiny lenses like > Voigt. rangefinder lenses. > In fact, to use a 5D2 seriously for movie work, I'd want something > that provided movie cam style handling like a grip frame with mike and > light mounts plus focus and zoom handles, screen hood, etc. Frankly, > it's a bloody awkward camera for moving pictures, even on a tripod, > for all but static studio shooting. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 05:25:57 2009 Received: (qmail 8487 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 04:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 04:25:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E24E18256 for ; 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Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:25:48 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 158d4a118cebd0f2 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Some things we don't even want in our imagination X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 05:25:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed0dd5208721006886880 http://whattheduck.net/ 598 Saturday AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 05:32:48 2009 Received: (qmail 2811 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 04:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 04:32:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A782CE18247 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2D7E240BF for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FEB34AC025 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:32:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C03E34AC024 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:32:42 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so5107292bwz.30 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:32:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.11 with SMTP id q11mr393952hba.98.1257049961121; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:32:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <417490.18547.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4AECAD71.2030300@spokeandsprocket.com> <417490.18547.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:32:41 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7655c077d7f77530 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Interesing high speed video of Canyon shutter bounce. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 05:32:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed0f70202861234514069 Not too surprising. I'd have liked to see the F1 from the front, but I suspect that it would have gotten people seasick. The Rebel was remarkably tight, but then one must understand that the mirror is moving at a much lower speed than the others. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 08:20:28 2009 Received: (qmail 7213 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 07:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 07:20:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A96E182AA for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 00:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB64E240BF for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 00:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDB534AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 00:20:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156DD34AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 00:20:21 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 00:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82EAC970F for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:52:04 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4CEF60B8-7AC6-4E80-A573-19F01C138E77@people.net.au> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:20:18 +0000 Message-Id: <446EE395-DEAD-4656-A3C0-CAEC3C2FFA84@threeshoes.net> References: <7ac27f4f0910230412v32f65a26mbade68378aaa5145@mail.gmail.com> <4AE7CD8D.4090007@gmail.com> <31DE1DDA-360F-4754-8242-1266D5A61918@people.net.au><89C5A12D-344C-47ED-9094-08AF6BF5DA25@people.net.au><4AE815DD.7000704@chucknorcutt.com> <5D7293BD-1B3F-4F85-A141-9441535E5B44@threeshoes.net> <4AEA0A10.1030600@gmail.com> <4CEF60B8-7AC6-4E80-A573-19F01C138E77@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] Couple vertical panoramics X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 08:20:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed36bc171251258626592 How rewarding, to be able to use the word, especially in an age when we add prepositions to any word which feels too short (e.g. "head up", "swap out")! But it's a transitive verb, of course, Andrew, and requires a direct object. So if you want to keep it compact it would have to be self-defenestrate. But more to the point, what sort of undisciplined class do you run, old chap, in which your students feel that it is acceptable to leave by such untidy means? :-)) Chris On 31 Oct 2009, at 22:38, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Speaking of Windows, Chris, I had the opportunity to use the verb > 'defenestrate' the other day - they don't come around too often! A > student jumped out of a classroom window while my back was turned, to > avoid being kept in after class. But in writing the incident report > for the co-ordinator, I was bothered. Did he simply defenestrate, > defenestrate himself, self-defenestrate or auto-defenestrate? You're > the man with the Latin - which is it? And can it be applied sensibly > to someone who has sensibly migrated to Mac? > Oh, and the co-ordinator had to go look it up and I did use the verb > orchestrate in the next sentence, just for dramatic effect. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 09:52:46 2009 Received: (qmail 12834 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 08:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 08:52:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D2EE18246 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F24E240BF for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E35E34AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:52:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F5834AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:52:40 -0700 (PDT) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13991 invoked by uid 502); 1 Nov 2009 08:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.182.206) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2009 08:52:37 -0000 Message-ID: <4AED4C52.9030101@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:52:34 -0700 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0B960D80-810C-43F6-907F-D74117170DC7@roadrunner.com> <4AE8884A.7000202@verizon.net> <28D7A5F1-DE3E-4C86-80C2-400A478D57F8@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <28D7A5F1-DE3E-4C86-80C2-400A478D57F8@roadrunner.com> Subject: [OM] Panorama for Chuck [was A Few From Acadia National Park] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 09:52:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed4c5e4531258626592 Bob Whitmire wrote: > Thanx. That's one of my favorites as well. Now I'm confused. From your description and the islands on the horizon, it's clear that this shot is from somewhere on the coast not far East of Bass Head. Go much more than 100 yds East and you wouldn't be able to see the lighthouse. Did you perhaps take the little, unmarked trail East from the top of the stairs down to the rocks below the light? A couple of ways out onto rocks along there. Anyway, I thought Frenchman's Bay was the body of water between Mt. Desert and the Schoodic Peninsula to the East. Is it considered to go down around under the Island? I'd have just called it the Atlantic ocean. I have a panorama of the same water and islands taken from the East side, near the mouth, of Ship Harbor. Nine vertical shots with the 17-35 @ 35mm. Moose > I know Chuck asked for a pano on that one, and I can see his point, but while a pano would have a good anchor on the left with more rocks and trees climbing much higher, there's nothing on the right until you get around 180 degrees, and then you have the Bass Harbor Light. Now, that would be a good anchor, and a hell of a pano shot, but it's beyond my abilities to figure out how to get it because somewhere in the 180 degrees will be the sun. In this particular case, it was about 20 degrees off the lighthouse, very low on the horizon, and would have blown out the last couple of frames. I scrambled over a large pile of jumbled boulders to get a view of the lighthouse, but none of the pictures turned out. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 10:15:57 2009 Received: (qmail 400 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 09:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 09:15:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913E6E18214 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:15:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361B0E240BF for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF4819DC59 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:15:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B14B19DC58 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:15:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4793 invoked by uid 502); 1 Nov 2009 09:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.166.179) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2009 09:15:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4AED51C5.1000203@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:15:49 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0B960D80-810C-43F6-907F-D74117170DC7@roadrunner.com> <4AE8884A.7000202@verizon.net> <28D7A5F1-DE3E-4C86-80C2-400A478D57F8@roadrunner.com> <4AED4C52.9030101@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AED4C52.9030101@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] Sunset, Bass Harbor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 10:15:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed51cd123235683411216 Taken shortly after the panorama I just posted. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 11:05:39 2009 Received: (qmail 27115 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 10:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 10:05:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77A4E18245 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F89E240BF for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52ABA3610001 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:05:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A659034AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:05:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d58-104-127-65.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.127.65]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA1A5N75030688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:05:30 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <0B960D80-810C-43F6-907F-D74117170DC7@roadrunner.com> <4AE8884A.7000202@verizon.net> <28D7A5F1-DE3E-4C86-80C2-400A478D57F8@roadrunner.com> <4AED4C52.9030101@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AED4C52.9030101@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:05:26 +1100 Message-ID: <002b01ca5ada$d9a107e0$8ce317a0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acpa0K8MUCwAKZIjQW6pdN1zkSX9CAACg8MQ Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Panorama for Chuck [was A Few From Acadia National Park] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 11:05:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed5d73278511612113968 > > I have a panorama of the same water and islands taken from the East > side, near the mouth, of Ship Harbor. > _2009/MtDesert/ShipHarbor&image=_MG_8088-96ia.jpg> > > Nine vertical shots with the 17-35 @ 35mm. > Wonderful clouds. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 11:16:16 2009 Received: (qmail 29241 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 10:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 10:16:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751D2E18246 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:16:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B0EE240BF for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A03C34AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:16:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87E234AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:16:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23710 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2009 10:16:09 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091031-0, 10/31/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Death of the DSLR Camera - Gearlog X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 11:16:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed5ff043061950411718 Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 11:28:04 2009 Received: (qmail 30995 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 10:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 10:28:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B68E181B1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6737E240BF for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:27:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17A734AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:27:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3B734AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:27:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:27:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29866 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2009 10:27:58 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091031-0, 10/31/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 11:28:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed62b4189741234514069 I hadn't thought about the frame rate for an FP shutter and will agree that you must be correct. So, what is the shutter? An on-chip electronic unit ala Mynolta A1 and other P&S cameras? What does that imply for future flash sync speeds in live-view mode? Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Quick response without checking - I doubt that the FP shutter is used > for 30fps movie mode. That would kill an SLR shutter fairly quickly > and the noise would be unamusing, especially when it failed! The > Lartigue car wheel thesis is fun but it's likely to be an effect of > the frame rate surely. > Canon's update for manual control certainly implies this and on the > few occasions I've idly pressed that button, the action was silent. > I really should shoot some movie this summer but it's not something > that I ever really do or ever have. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 01/11/2009, at 12:32 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Did you notice the apparent curvature of the helicopter's rotor blades >> and sometimes reverse rotation. I believe that's the FP shutter. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 11:35:14 2009 Received: (qmail 22191 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 10:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 10:35:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971DAE181D8 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B8BE240BF for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:35:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C8B19E00B for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:35:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632B619E045 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:35:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:35:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1649 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2009 10:35:01 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091031-0, 10/31/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Sunset, Bass Harbor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 11:35:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed6462323393900897491 Both are nice but this one grabs your attention. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Taken shortly after the panorama I just posted. > > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 11:37:20 2009 Received: (qmail 7606 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 10:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 10:37:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BCA2E1829D for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB8DE240BF for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2362319E04A for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:37:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5E019E049 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:37:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E098946165F for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:04:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:37:13 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4AED51C5.1000203@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0B960D80-810C-43F6-907F-D74117170DC7@roadrunner.com> <4AE8884A.7000202@verizon.net> <28D7A5F1-DE3E-4C86-80C2-400A478D57F8@roadrunner.com> <4AED4C52.9030101@gmail.com> <4AED51C5.1000203@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Sunset, Bass Harbor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 11:37:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed64e0258171342116753 Both shots great, Moose. I like the dominating clouds in the panorama and the decorative clouds in the sunset. Chris On 1 Nov 2009, at 09:15, Moose wrote: > Taken shortly after the panorama I just posted. > > > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 12:20:49 2009 Received: (qmail 758 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 11:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 11:20:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9DBE1822E for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 03:20:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6090E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 03:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DEC19E115 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 03:20:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE46319E106 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 03:20:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 03:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18013 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2009 11:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 11:15:25 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <446EE395-DEAD-4656-A3C0-CAEC3C2FFA84@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:20:39 +1100 References: <7ac27f4f0910230412v32f65a26mbade68378aaa5145@mail.gmail.com> <4AE7CD8D.4090007@gmail.com> <31DE1DDA-360F-4754-8242-1266D5A61918@people.net.au><89C5A12D-344C-47ED-9094-08AF6BF5DA25@people.net.au><4AE815DD.7000704@chucknorcutt.com> <5D7293BD-1B3F-4F85-A141-9441535E5B44@threeshoes.net> <4AEA0A10.1030600@gmail.com> <4CEF60B8-7AC6-4E80-A573-19F01C138E77@people.net.au> <446EE395-DEAD-4656-A3C0-CAEC3C2FFA84@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Couple vertical panoramics X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 12:20:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed6f1121171258626592 As I suspected. The co-ordinator was of the opinion that the only thing more amazing than the word itself was the fact that I knew it. (Smug grin attached). Actually, it was after the class and knowing Brett as I do, I suspect it was a reasonably elegant silent roll off the window ledge into the shrubbery below. Having jumped without an Irwin, he will very soon find a well ignited Martin Baker under him (and the canopy firmly shut). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 01/11/2009, at 6:20 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > How rewarding, to be able to use the word, especially in an age when > we add prepositions to any word which feels too short (e.g. "head up", > "swap out")! But it's a transitive verb, of course, Andrew, and > requires a direct object. So if you want to keep it compact it would > have to be self-defenestrate. > > But more to the point, what sort of undisciplined class do you run, > old chap, in which your students feel that it is acceptable to leave > by such untidy means? > > :-)) > > Chris > On 31 Oct 2009, at 22:38, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> Speaking of Windows, Chris, I had the opportunity to use the verb >> 'defenestrate' the other day - they don't come around too often! A >> student jumped out of a classroom window while my back was turned, to >> avoid being kept in after class. But in writing the incident report >> for the co-ordinator, I was bothered. Did he simply defenestrate, >> defenestrate himself, self-defenestrate or auto-defenestrate? You're >> the man with the Latin - which is it? And can it be applied sensibly >> to someone who has sensibly migrated to Mac? >> Oh, and the co-ordinator had to go look it up and I did use the verb >> orchestrate in the next sentence, just for dramatic effect. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 12:24:28 2009 Received: (qmail 19191 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 11:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 11:24:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC9DE1824E for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 03:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC03E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 03:24:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF4234AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 03:24:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9BD34AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 03:24:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 03:24:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3859434.15491257075465878.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 322 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:37:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AED5FE5.7020104@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:24:17 +0200 References: <4AED5FE5.7020104@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Death of the DSLR Camera - Gearlog X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 12:24:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed6fec186101950411718 And good riddance too. As an avid ex-DSLR user, I can admit that they are kludges, all of them, good as they may be. In the bigger scheme of things, this temporary era of mixing optics/mechanics, and a digital sensor, will soon pass. I greatly enjoy battery-less film SLRs (OM-1, Mamiya RB67, for example) but have sort-of vowed that I will not acquire a DSLR again, especially as, with video and live view, the kludge of having an optical finder + mirror becomes even more apparent. I suspect that in 5 years the DSLR will really be all but obsolete, surely even EOS and Nikon F-mount cameras by then will be using all-electronic viewing systems, with no mirror, and one day also all-electronic shutters. Imagine the low noise / vibration that the professional cameras will have then? I personally can't wait, and am definitely sticking it out until then with my OM-1. No more expensive hack for me, sir. If I *had* to buy a digital camera tomorrow (money no object) it's either be a Micro four thirds model, or a Leica M9. I just can't deal with the thought of a typical DSLR anymore... Anybody else feel the same? On 01 Nov 2009, at 12:16 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 13:22:11 2009 Received: (qmail 10430 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 12:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 12:22:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065A2E1819D for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 04:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E91E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 04:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8609634AC027 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 04:22:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5C434AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 04:22:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 04:22:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.59.253] (253.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.253]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01B93DA538 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:21:55 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:21:27 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AEE3417.22129.3BFC81@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091031-0, 31/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 13:22:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed7d73293532013633067 Mike Lazzari wrote > Brian, Why the northern beeches? Are the /Nothofagus* */deficient? > > Mike http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/PA270644-crop-MtCook&birches- 1000.jpg Birches, not beeches; Betula (maybe Betula verrucosa, B. pendula) NZ has a long history of using European and Scandinavian trees as well as North American trees. Not Fagus, which would not cope with the low soil fertility, erratic rain, and frequent gales. In comparison, the Southern Hemisphere beeches, Nothofagus, grow very slowly. They are also evergreen vs the deciduous birches with their autumn colours and fresh spring growth. This is a very windy, harsh site. It is somewhat modified; these lakes were raised by damming, and new roads carved around them, with attention given to landscaping. This included planting pines such as Pinus contorta and Pinus nigra, and deciduous angiosperm genera Betula and Populus. I think that by and large the engineers have succeeded. To my eyes the appearance is pleasant. The "new" Department of Conservation has planted some Nothofagus cliffortioides (Mountain beech) along the lake shores, but sitting all alone they are dreadfully wind-blasted and deformed. That species does much better as a forest with mutual sheltering. Probably there is no commercial nursery source of Nothofagus seedlings. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 13:22:12 2009 Received: (qmail 18962 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 12:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 12:22:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04F2E182B0 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 04:22:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C296E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 04:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0D219E245 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 04:22:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B142219E1FA for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 04:22:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 04:22:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.59.253] (253.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.253]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2456D3DA52C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:21:56 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:21:28 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AEE3418.19723.3BFE08@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091031-0, 31/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 13:22:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed7d74168741879814018 C.H.Ling wrote > I believe you only shot JPEG, if it had been RAW the shadow details will > be easier to save, I seems to see some red shift on the shadow of this > image. > > Don't know if the Mt. Cook images are also heavily modified, I see some > strange on the histrogram. True, they were created in jpeg. I do not have the huge storage space that RAW files need. There was other modification to all images that I overlooked mentioning. All were resized in several steps using Faststone; something like (width) 3700 > 3000 > 2000 > 1000; and after each resizing I did a sharpen of usually 2 units, with a sharpen of from 2 - 4 units before the resizing process began.. The only photos that I recall adding in more red were the vineyard, where I wanted to ensure that the bronze colour of the new poplar leaves in the distant shelterbelt was as obvious in the image as it was in real life. This shelterbelt of poplars was the main reason I stopped to take this photo. And the photo of 3 birds, where I added a tiny bit of red to ensure the red hair and red scarf of the woman standing at the lake shore was as obvious as it seems in real life. A flaming Saggitarian !! Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 14:17:08 2009 Received: (qmail 12422 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 13:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 13:17:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FBAE18277 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:17:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4FCE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:17:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BD634AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:17:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0F534AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:17:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.45] ([72.79.30.57]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSF00GT8M7YMUL1@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 07:16:47 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AED8A3E.1000002@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 08:16:46 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Some things we don't even want in our imagination X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 14:17:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed8a54316751073733319 Ken Norton wrote: > http://whattheduck.net/ > > 598 Saturday > > AG The one that comes up for today, "can I have a copy ..." reminds me of my grandson Max, age 11. When he wants a copy of a pic he says, "I gotta get that on my digital" and takes a shot of my monitor :-) I offer to put whatever he wants on a memory card and often do, but it's not quite the same to him. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 14:26:08 2009 Received: (qmail 14917 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 13:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 13:26:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8901AE18247 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:26:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D000E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EEA19E3AF for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:26:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CD619E3A0 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:26:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-109.ctimail.com [61.93.57.109]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id nA1DPw7E000869 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:25:58 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA1DPvt0025648 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:25:58 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AEE3418.19723.3BFE08@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:25:36 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 14:26:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed8c7069011560218263 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Swale" > C.H.Ling wrote > >> I believe you only shot JPEG, if it had been RAW the shadow details will >> be easier to save, I seems to see some red shift on the shadow of this >> image. >> >> Don't know if the Mt. Cook images are also heavily modified, I see some >> strange on the histrogram. > > True, they were created in jpeg. I do not have the huge storage space that > RAW files need. > You really need to consider an external hard disk, RAW files give you much more room for editing. I just purchased a 500GB/2.5" (the 8th 2.5" data hard disk), not for RAW but for the thousands of negatives I'm scanning. I decided to keep the the better one at 3000dpi 16bit (~65MB) instead of JPEG. I found my taste change with time, I need the best format to prepare for future editing. > There was other modification to all images that I overlooked mentioning. > > All were resized in several steps using Faststone; something like (width) > 3700 > 3000 > 2000 > 1000; and after each resizing I did a sharpen of > usually 2 units, with a sharpen of from 2 - 4 units before the resizing > process > began.. > > The only photos that I recall adding in more red were the vineyard, where > I > wanted to ensure that the bronze colour of the new poplar leaves in the > distant shelterbelt was as obvious in the image as it was in real life. > This > shelterbelt of poplars was the main reason I stopped to take this photo. > > And the photo of 3 birds, where I added a tiny bit of red to ensure the > red > hair and red scarf of the woman standing at the lake shore was as obvious > as it seems in real life. A flaming Saggitarian !! > Don't know how you add "red", I usually use curve tool, just sliding the RGB bar is not a good solution. With RAW all you need to do is change the color temperature and hue, it gives more natural look. C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 14:38:51 2009 Received: (qmail 16128 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 13:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 13:38:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E515FE182AC for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2BDE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC1E19E404 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:38:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0587C19E3DE for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:38:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:38:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A335146167D for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:05:59 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4AEE3418.19723.3BFE08@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:38:43 +0000 Message-Id: <936E0B3F-7C7B-4AB8-8A18-EE4B41853648@threeshoes.net> References: <4AEE3418.19723.3BFE08@bj.caverock.net.nz> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 14:38:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed8f6b134821879814018 Coo lumme! The mountains are beautiful, Brian and I envy you your scenery. But I don't envy you the amount of processing you have carried out; I hardly ever sharpen my images and if I do it's in rather desultory manner, as if it's expected ... not that I believe it's needed. But I certainly don't feel it's necessary to resize an image in stages like that, far less sharpen it all the while. Chris On 1 Nov 2009, at 12:21, Brian Swale wrote: >> I believe you only shot JPEG, if it had been RAW the shadow details >> will >> be easier to save, I seems to see some red shift on the shadow of >> this >> image. >> >> Don't know if the Mt. Cook images are also heavily modified, I see >> some >> strange on the histrogram. > > True, they were created in jpeg. I do not have the huge storage > space that > RAW files need. > > There was other modification to all images that I overlooked > mentioning. > > All were resized in several steps using Faststone; something like > (width) > 3700 > 3000 > 2000 > 1000; and after each resizing I did a sharpen of > usually 2 units, with a sharpen of from 2 - 4 units before the > resizing process > began.. > > The only photos that I recall adding in more red were the vineyard, > where I > wanted to ensure that the bronze colour of the new poplar leaves in > the > distant shelterbelt was as obvious in the image as it was in real > life. This > shelterbelt of poplars was the main reason I stopped to take this > photo. > > And the photo of 3 birds, where I added a tiny bit of red to ensure > the red > hair and red scarf of the woman standing at the lake shore was as > obvious > as it seems in real life. A flaming Saggitarian !! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 14:47:11 2009 Received: (qmail 7219 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 13:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 13:47:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F0DE181A3 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F39E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:47:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501D634AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:47:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8FB34AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:47:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.106] (106.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.106]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2223DA64E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:46:53 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:46:57 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AEE4821.26705.8A4101@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091031-0, 31/10/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 14:47:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed915f161459752976205 Moose wrote > Just a personal opinion, at which I hope you don't take offense, but I > think using FastStone as an image editor is a bit like using a wrench to > drive a nail. It can be done, but the experience and results will both > generally leave much to be desired. > > > From memory, the two internal shots of the clock-tower, and the tulips, > more than others. Re the tulips, the camera chose to take the exposure > reading from the (very late afternoon) sky at a rainy moment. This > defeated the composition I wanted. > > > I think it's unfair to blame the camera. You set the exposure method and > compensation. If you are going to let the camera set excposure without > your intervention, at least use its smarter metering mode, ESP, I think, > for this camera. Center weighted averaging without exercising some thought > is just asking for trouble. > > And then, you've got instant feedback on the LCD, both histogram and > image. If the exposure is off, it's on you. > > BUT, but, it looks to me like the exposure is right on the money. > Perhaps by mistake, you've properly exposed to the right. Compare the > tulips to the vineyard. At least as presented, the sky in the vineyard is > quite unsightly, with large areas of undifferentiated pure white where our > eyes know there was tonal detail. > > The tulip sky is nicely captured, giving a good tonal rendition of a > cloudy day. The web version has a bit of clipped highlight, but very > little and it may be from processing. My apologies; in my mind I had uploaded a shot of the tulip fields taken after the sun had set. In fact it was the modified version of that which had a lot of digital noise, and I discarded that modified shot as being unworthy. Got to the top (new) image at http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ and you can see one of the images made in the drizzling rain as the sun was vanishing. Have a play with it; I can't rescue the flowers. It is at 1500 px wide reduced in two steps from original > 3000 > 1500; then I used Faststone to cut the file size down from just under 1MB to 218 KB. I think I did also take a print film shot on my "new" OM4T with 35~105. In fact I never look at the on-camera histogram when I'm shooting, and also quite seldom look at the rear screen version of the shot either. Fast stone is convenient and fast for me (and it still takes me a few hours to process and upload 15 files); I do have Photoshop 7 on my computer - it was on it when I bought the computer 2nd hand, but it seems cumbersome and I've never seen the advantage for me. I also have downloaded and installed Gimp; it seems worse in this regard and is a lot slower. I stopped using the ESP metering mode as it seemed to be causing me all sorts of trouble, and loosing shots I should have nailed. I still haven't figured out what the 510 did one day when out of the blue it made all the shots VERY dark and unusable - all those shots were lost and I felt like firing the thing into the dustbin. I've gone back and looked at the full-size image of the vineyard. That sky was pretty awful as far as cloud and sky detail go. The property in its favour however, is that it was bright overcast, hence there were no dark shadows anywhere to mess things up with lots of contrast for the digital sensor. The interest in that shot, as far as I am concerned, is not in the sky but in the things attached to the ground. The sun was also behind me for that shot. It was a hand-held shot as far as I remember; I didn't bring the tripod that day as the prime purpose was to deliver somebody to the airport. I don't know if I was able to lean against support, but I did have IS turned on. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 14:56:35 2009 Received: (qmail 20189 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 13:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 13:56:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670E6E1819F for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA7DE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:56:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBA334AC027 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:56:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F3434AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:56:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 05:56:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.10]) by mta04.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KSF00K32O238GE0@mta04.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:56:27 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmkMAHoi7UoYWeYQ/2dsb2JhbACBSYkXmVm1EQqELwSFAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,662,1249268400"; d="scan'208";a="72574486" Received: from blk-89-230-16.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.230.16]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:58:57 -0400 Message-id: <35DF32FCEBF84623AA85BBB9AB7C6655@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0B960D80-810C-43F6-907F-D74117170DC7@roadrunner.com> <4AE8884A.7000202@verizon.net> <28D7A5F1-DE3E-4C86-80C2-400A478D57F8@roadrunner.com> <4AED4C52.9030101@gmail.com> <4AED51C5.1000203@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:56:27 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 5945 Subject: Re: [OM] Sunset, Bass Harbor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 14:56:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed9393229029730998309 Could also be that Mooose is introducing us to his water taxi ! BTW, nice photo. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Sunset, Bass Harbor > Both shots great, Moose. I like the dominating clouds in the panorama > and the decorative clouds in the sunset. > > Chris > > On 1 Nov 2009, at 09:15, Moose wrote: > >> Taken shortly after the panorama I just posted. >> > > >> >> Moose > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4561 (20091031) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4561 (20091031) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 15:03:42 2009 Received: (qmail 2943 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 14:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 14:03:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5F5E182A0 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C5CE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D022E34AC028 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:03:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18CFA34AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:03:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (cygnus@ctgonline.org whitelisted) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30069 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2009 08:03:29 -0600 Received-SPF: none (no valid SPF record) Received: from pool-96-230-122-185.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.230.122.185) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 08:03:29 -0600 Message-ID: <4AED9536.5080703@ctgonline.org> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 08:03:34 -0600 From: Paul Braun Organization: Acoustic Connection User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0B960D80-810C-43F6-907F-D74117170DC7@roadrunner.com> <4AE8884A.7000202@verizon.net> <28D7A5F1-DE3E-4C86-80C2-400A478D57F8@roadrunner.com> <4AED4C52.9030101@gmail.com> <4AED51C5.1000203@gmail.com> <35DF32FCEBF84623AA85BBB9AB7C6655@hudson> In-Reply-To: <35DF32FCEBF84623AA85BBB9AB7C6655@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] Sunset, Bass Harbor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 15:03:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed953e571342116753 John Hudson wrote: > Could also be that Mooose is introducing us to his water taxi ! > > BTW, nice photo. > >> On 1 Nov 2009, at 09:15, Moose wrote: >> >>> Taken shortly after the panorama I just posted. >>> >> Moose >> -- Very nice. Loved the pano as well. I'm having fun with Autostitch on my iPhone - first stitching software I've used, and I've gotten some pretty cool shots, considering the limitations of the camera. But then, it falls under "the best camera is the one you have with you" theory. At some point, I'd like to try stitching with the E1. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March "Music washes from the soul the dust of everyday life" - Harlan Howard -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 15:07:49 2009 Received: (qmail 26622 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 14:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 14:07:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9FBE18255 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41728E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9A019E4DB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:07:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C8D19E4D4 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:07:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7433 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2009 14:07:41 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091101-0, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 15:07:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed9635204033900897491 I once asked Johathan Sachs (author of Picture Window) what he thought about step-wise resizing. He said that if step-wise resizing did a better job than doing it all in one go the author of the resizing algorithm in use didn't understand how to properly implement the algorithm. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Coo lumme! > > The mountains are beautiful, Brian and I envy you your scenery. > > But I don't envy you the amount of processing you have carried out; I > hardly ever sharpen my images and if I do it's in rather desultory > manner, as if it's expected ... not that I believe it's needed. But I > certainly don't feel it's necessary to resize an image in stages like > that, far less sharpen it all the while. > > Chris > > > On 1 Nov 2009, at 12:21, Brian Swale wrote: > >>> I believe you only shot JPEG, if it had been RAW the shadow details >>> will >>> be easier to save, I seems to see some red shift on the shadow of >>> this >>> image. >>> >>> Don't know if the Mt. Cook images are also heavily modified, I see >>> some >>> strange on the histrogram. >> True, they were created in jpeg. I do not have the huge storage >> space that >> RAW files need. >> >> There was other modification to all images that I overlooked >> mentioning. >> >> All were resized in several steps using Faststone; something like >> (width) >> 3700 > 3000 > 2000 > 1000; and after each resizing I did a sharpen of >> usually 2 units, with a sharpen of from 2 - 4 units before the >> resizing process >> began.. >> >> The only photos that I recall adding in more red were the vineyard, >> where I >> wanted to ensure that the bronze colour of the new poplar leaves in >> the >> distant shelterbelt was as obvious in the image as it was in real >> life. This >> shelterbelt of poplars was the main reason I stopped to take this >> photo. >> >> And the photo of 3 birds, where I added a tiny bit of red to ensure >> the red >> hair and red scarf of the woman standing at the lake shore was as >> obvious >> as it seems in real life. A flaming Saggitarian !! > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 15:08:53 2009 Received: (qmail 21504 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 14:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 14:08:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279F2E181A8 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67058E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:08:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F99219E4DB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:08:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C36019E4DA for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:08:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mialop.wong@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-px0-f178.google.com (mail-px0-f178.google.com [209.85.216.178]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:08:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by pxi8 with SMTP id 8so2836997pxi.27 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 06:08:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.101.25 with SMTP id d25mr5548991wam.46.1257084505047; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 06:08:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AED51C5.1000203@gmail.com> References: <0B960D80-810C-43F6-907F-D74117170DC7@roadrunner.com> <4AE8884A.7000202@verizon.net> <28D7A5F1-DE3E-4C86-80C2-400A478D57F8@roadrunner.com> <4AED4C52.9030101@gmail.com> <4AED51C5.1000203@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:08:25 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 67c479cdf421e00e Message-ID: <60f983080911010608t46a1baacmace82fbf4214ff9b@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Sunset, Bass Harbor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 15:08:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed9675200229730998309 It's very beautiful :p --- Michael 2009/11/1 Moose > Taken shortly after the panorama I just posted. > < > http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=NorthEast_2009/MtDesert/BassHarbor&image=_MG_8117ia.jpg > > > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 15:27:19 2009 Received: (qmail 3753 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 14:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 14:27:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839AFE18244 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F916E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:27:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065DA19E556 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:27:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC2519E53A for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:27:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20236 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2009 14:27:11 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2009 14:27:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4AED9ABE.9030506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:27:10 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEE4821.26705.8A4101@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4AEE4821.26705.8A4101@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-0, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 15:27:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed9ac7254564877110844 Here's my fix Done by using the shadow/highlight control to brighten the shadows, brightness control to raise overall brightness slightly and then some subdued LCE to add a little spark. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > My apologies; in my mind I had uploaded a shot of the tulip fields taken after > the sun had set. In fact it was the modified version of that which had a lot of > digital noise, and I discarded that modified shot as being unworthy. > Got to the top (new) image at > http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ > and you can see one of the images made in the drizzling rain as the sun > was vanishing. Have a play with it; I can't rescue the flowers. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 15:37:46 2009 Received: (qmail 23747 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 14:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 14:37:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E8DE1829F for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677AEE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EDC19E5CE for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:37:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E292019E329 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:37:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091101143738985.XRP4372@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:37:38 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AED4C52.9030101@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:37:38 -0500 References: <0B960D80-810C-43F6-907F-D74117170DC7@roadrunner.com> <4AE8884A.7000202@verizon.net> <28D7A5F1-DE3E-4C86-80C2-400A478D57F8@roadrunner.com> <4AED4C52.9030101@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Panorama for Chuck [was A Few From Acadia National Park] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 15:37:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed9d3a241982517112723 You are correct, GPS Moose. I must have suffered a Brain Cramp, or Senior Moment, or both. The view I label Frenchman Bay is of the Atlantic Ocean, though that's not very poetic. It also could be viewed as the entrance to the Western Way between Mt. Desert and Great Cranberry Island. I think Western Way is more poetic, and not inaccurate. Like your Ship Harbor pano. I wasn't there at a particularly photogenic time of day, but it's on my list of places to revisit. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Nov 1, 2009, at 3:52 AM, Moose wrote: > Bob Whitmire wrote: >> Thanx. That's one of my favorites as well. > > Now I'm confused. From your description and the islands on the > horizon, > it's clear that this shot is from somewhere on the coast not far > East of > Bass Head. Go much more than 100 yds East and you wouldn't be able to > see the lighthouse. Did you perhaps take the little, unmarked trail > East > from the top of the stairs down to the rocks below the light? A couple > of ways out onto rocks along there. > > Anyway, I thought Frenchman's Bay was the body of water between Mt. > Desert and the Schoodic Peninsula to the East. Is it considered to go > down around under the Island? I'd have just called it the Atlantic > ocean. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 15:38:53 2009 Received: (qmail 14326 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 14:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 14:38:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28A4E181CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:38:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94217E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8813534AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:38:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2D034AC028 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:38:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com (mail-ew0-f207.google.com [209.85.219.207]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so156919ewy.37 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 06:38:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.68 with SMTP id x46mr3193281wee.2.1257086296724; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 06:38:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <0B960D80-810C-43F6-907F-D74117170DC7@roadrunner.com> <14883a8b0910281044r6f82555dkd28881e3041cc191@mail.gmail.com> <44DD7D49-D274-4286-8068-65148E2F5360@roadrunner.com> <4AE924AC.7070808@gmail.com> <14883a8b0910290833i31ca062av164e6aa64f678f15@mail.gmail.com> <4AE9EFE2.80205@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEA1C09.8060103@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0910300455v7dac203ne164279db50752a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:38:16 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911010638r34984357vb0de001ddda4a13e@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) A Few From Acadia National Park X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 15:38:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed9d7d195601006886880 On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > The point is, if your mindset is totally focused on getting a picture like > "Yosemite Valley - Clearing Storm" you will be severely disappointed with > anything that "flyover country" has to offer. But if you open your eyes and > your minds to the possibilities that exist smack dab in front of you then > you just might find satisfaction. I agree, of course, but I forgive those whose minds are closed to anything but five-star venues. Moose's attitude is not peculiar to him. It's a species of provincialism that affects almost everyone in one form or another. It seems like a kind of geographic bigotry -- and it is in kind, though the word is too strong for the degree of the offense. And we all engage in it at one time or another. Montanans I discovered look down on North Dakotans. Wow. Who knew? NoCal looks down on SoCal. It's fairly harmless -- a kind of petty bigotry. I wouldn't like to create a "scenic overlook" expectation for anywhere in the Midwest. I do love many, many places here, but so many are off the beaten trails and, to my mind, are completely dependent upon the quality of the light. But I tend to follow the good light rather than try to find things which are intrinsically interesting to photograph. This takes some dedication and one can't be expected always to be successful just by showing up with lenses at f8. I have been to more than my fair share of scenic wonders west of the Mississippi and they are all a snooze to me if the light is not interesting. Even the Grand Canyon can be a bore. I sometimes take photos under those circumstances, but they are no more than a record that I was there. My brother is a what I consider a fine photographer -- and obviously comes from the same DNA as me. He loads up with Velvia and drives to the Five Star locations to shoot and puts his cameras away when he gets home. It's hard enough work to get to the "good" places. Finding how the light makes love to your own humble geography takes more commitment than can be expected of most locals, let alone a stranger. I can work a back road and feel comfortable, but many people might not, nor would I be apt to be different myself as a guest in a strange place. I think I must be more of a street photographer, it's just my streets are gravel roads. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 15:42:50 2009 Received: (qmail 4597 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 14:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 14:42:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49974E1822D for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91D7E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA01919E613 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:42:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255E619E60E for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:42:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com (mail-ew0-f207.google.com [209.85.219.207]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so158973ewy.37 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 06:42:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.91.80 with SMTP id g58mr3086131wef.122.1257086564910; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 06:42:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4AECAD71.2030300@spokeandsprocket.com> <417490.18547.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:42:44 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911010642ocafaefdsf5dace3a4f078857@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Interesing high speed video of Canyon shutter bounce. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 15:42:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed9e6a129741220213263 On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Not too surprising. I'd have liked to see the F1 from the front, but I > suspect that it would have gotten people seasick. > > The Rebel was remarkably tight, but then one must understand that the mirror > is moving at a much lower speed than the others. I have no idea what to make of it, not having anything to compare it to. I assume a RF would be less wiggly. :) Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 15:43:58 2009 Received: (qmail 10531 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 14:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 14:43:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EF3E181AE for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:43:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DD0E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5810F34AC028 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:43:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1052134AC027 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:43:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091101144331275.VCRQ9287@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:43:31 +0000 Message-Id: <28F27C64-A1C3-4CCA-A13A-9F32109AF284@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <3859434.15491257075465878.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:43:30 -0500 References: <4AED5FE5.7020104@chucknorcutt.com> <3859434.15491257075465878.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Death of the DSLR Camera - Gearlog X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 15:43:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aed9eae97651258626592 No. I don't disagree entirely with your sentiment, but I don't think we're anywhere near close enough to trash the DSLR. It's a step, just another step, that's all. Nothing to get the undies in a wad about. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Nov 1, 2009, at 6:24 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > I personally can't wait, and am definitely sticking it out until then > with my OM-1. No more expensive > hack for me, sir. If I *had* to buy a digital camera tomorrow (money > no object) it's either be a Micro > four thirds model, or a Leica M9. I just can't deal with the thought > of a typical DSLR anymore... > > Anybody else feel the same? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 16:43:02 2009 Received: (qmail 25454 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 15:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 15:43:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E19E181B1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:42:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510AFE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D51834AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:42:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9818234AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:42:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.45] ([72.79.30.57]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSF00GG9SZEMKBQ@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:42:50 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AEDAC7A.8050907@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:42:50 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEE4821.26705.8A4101@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-reply-to: <4AEE4821.26705.8A4101@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 16:43:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aedac86318755683411216 Brian Swale wrote: > > My apologies; in my mind I had uploaded a shot of the tulip fields taken after > the sun had set. In fact it was the modified version of that which had a lot of > digital noise, and I discarded that modified shot as being unworthy. > Got to the top (new) image at > http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ > and you can see one of the images made in the drizzling rain as the sun > was vanishing. Have a play with it; I can't rescue the flowers. > The flowers are there, here's a quick go, just lightening the shadows a bit. I'm sure there will be better ones. http://nfs.nfshost.com/tmp/PA220604-tulips-dusk-1500-e.jpg It all depends on what it looked like and what you want. A better PC can be a big help with that. I spent a lot of time fiddling with a PC that was slow and had tiny hard drives. That really limited my ability to edit images. I listened to the good advice that comes through on this list, bit the bullet, and bought a decent PC for very little $$. I'm no "Moose" but a better PC has allowed me to make technically decent images that are to my liking. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 16:57:08 2009 Received: (qmail 31603 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 15:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 15:57:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D5CE181AC for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C86E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00A134AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:57:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629E134AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:57:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19201 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2009 15:57:00 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091101-0, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) A Few From Acadia National Park X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 16:57:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aedafd4151651234514069 I don't yet (and probably never will) have the discipline to get up at 4:00 am for two weeks running to go to a chosen photographic spot and wait for just the right light. Even locally... let alone 2,000 miles from home. Chuck Norcutt Joel Wilcox wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> The point is, if your mindset is totally focused on getting a picture like >> "Yosemite Valley - Clearing Storm" you will be severely disappointed with >> anything that "flyover country" has to offer. But if you open your eyes and >> your minds to the possibilities that exist smack dab in front of you then >> you just might find satisfaction. > > I agree, of course, but I forgive those whose minds are closed to > anything but five-star venues. Moose's attitude is not peculiar to > him. It's a species of provincialism that affects almost everyone in > one form or another. It seems like a kind of geographic bigotry -- > and it is in kind, though the word is too strong for the degree of the > offense. And we all engage in it at one time or another. Montanans I > discovered look down on North Dakotans. Wow. Who knew? NoCal looks > down on SoCal. It's fairly harmless -- a kind of petty bigotry. > > I wouldn't like to create a "scenic overlook" expectation for anywhere > in the Midwest. I do love many, many places here, but so many are off > the beaten trails and, to my mind, are completely dependent upon the > quality of the light. But I tend to follow the good light rather than > try to find things which are intrinsically interesting to photograph. > This takes some dedication and one can't be expected always to be > successful just by showing up with lenses at f8. I have been to more > than my fair share of scenic wonders west of the Mississippi and they > are all a snooze to me if the light is not interesting. Even the > Grand Canyon can be a bore. I sometimes take photos under those > circumstances, but they are no more than a record that I was there. > > My brother is a what I consider a fine photographer -- and obviously > comes from the same DNA as me. He loads up with Velvia and drives to > the Five Star locations to shoot and puts his cameras away when he > gets home. It's hard enough work to get to the "good" places. > Finding how the light makes love to your own humble geography takes > more commitment than can be expected of most locals, let alone a > stranger. I can work a back road and feel comfortable, but many > people might not, nor would I be apt to be different myself as a guest > in a strange place. > > I think I must be more of a street photographer, it's just my streets > are gravel roads. > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 17:13:53 2009 Received: (qmail 17911 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 16:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 16:13:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC66DE18236 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:13:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09197E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:13:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C2319E867 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:13:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5466219E854 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:13:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com (mail-ew0-f207.google.com [209.85.219.207]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so199033ewy.37 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 08:13:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.141 with SMTP id c13mr3228583wef.66.1257092007817; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 08:13:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEDAFCB.7030106@chucknorcutt.com> References: <0B960D80-810C-43F6-907F-D74117170DC7@roadrunner.com> <4AE924AC.7070808@gmail.com> <14883a8b0910290833i31ca062av164e6aa64f678f15@mail.gmail.com> <4AE9EFE2.80205@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEA1C09.8060103@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0910300455v7dac203ne164279db50752a3@mail.gmail.com> <9e908c1f0911010638r34984357vb0de001ddda4a13e@mail.gmail.com> <4AEDAFCB.7030106@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:13:27 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911010813y2c863a7sa2b8d30c89d443cf@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] (OT) A Few From Acadia National Park X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 17:13:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aedb3c1245761413256596 On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I don't yet (and probably never will) have the discipline to get up at > 4:00 am for two weeks running to go to a chosen photographic spot and > wait for just the right light. =A0Even locally... let alone 2,000 miles > from home. I find it a lot easier to do 2000 miles from home, IF what I am there to do is photography, IF I can get to sleep when the sun goes down (no late nights boozing in the local establishments), and IF there are no women along. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 17:49:19 2009 Received: (qmail 8249 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 16:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 16:49:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45BAE1822B for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761FBE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F00234AC028 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:49:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D046E34AC029 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:49:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.147]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so887072eyg.8 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 08:49:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.137 with SMTP id c9mr3203300wef.228.1257094149770; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 08:49:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3859434.15491257075465878.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <4AED5FE5.7020104@chucknorcutt.com> <3859434.15491257075465878.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:49:09 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911010849y30d08f51n7149801249ac6503@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Death of the DSLR Camera - Gearlog X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 17:49:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aedbc0f319567801554290 On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > And good riddance too. As an avid ex-DSLR user, I can admit that they > are kludges, all of them, > good as they may be. =A0In the bigger scheme of things, this temporary > era of mixing optics/mechanics, > and a digital sensor, will soon pass. > snip > Anybody else feel the same? A little bit. The article Chuck cites is about markets. Being a cranky niche user, isolated and self-subsistent, I don't care what shows up in my next cell phone. But there was something wonderful about my first digicam, the C5060W, followed soon by the C-8080, that has not been equaled by any DSLR. A near perfect camera would be the C8080 with a modern 4/3 sensor and much better EVF and the ability to change lenses. Micro4/3 is not very far away from this, I should think. I took a little flak from people for going with a digicam instead of just making the leap to a DSLR when I first experimented with digital capture, but that was a really fun and creative time for me. The DSLR has been a necessary phase but a slight letdown in comparison. I certainly doubt that my children will ever pass through any sort of SLR-DSLR phase. I think the OM-1 or similar camera is really useful for learning about managing exposure, but other than that, I don't see an SLR as essential.. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 18:01:50 2009 Received: (qmail 27846 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 17:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 17:01:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359C9E18277 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D18EE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADD419E94A for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:01:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF4E19E94E for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:01:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com (mail-ew0-f207.google.com [209.85.219.207]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so218698ewy.37 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:01:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.68 with SMTP id x46mr3352495wee.2.1257094903724; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:01:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AED51C5.1000203@gmail.com> References: <0B960D80-810C-43F6-907F-D74117170DC7@roadrunner.com> <4AE8884A.7000202@verizon.net> <28D7A5F1-DE3E-4C86-80C2-400A478D57F8@roadrunner.com> <4AED4C52.9030101@gmail.com> <4AED51C5.1000203@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:01:43 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911010901q2075240cg8f4f69f68bc07e4a@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Sunset, Bass Harbor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 18:01:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aedbefe90635034211378 On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Moose wrote: > Taken shortly after the panorama I just posted. > Very beautiful. 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(VPS 091101-0, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] Geocoding images [was A Few From Acadia National X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 18:27:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aedc510153271234514069 Ken, thanks for the tips. Battery life is very important if you are out for a few days, less so when road tripping. Moose, Does the Travel Logger software that comes with the iGotU work with other gps units? Seems like good software is the key. The gps is just a recording device. I already have several including a little bluetooth device. What I need is software I can use. Jim, The battery life may be good in the save mode but does it give you any useful info in the wilderness? How do you access that info? I think you need another device like a laptop. Maybe you can pull your coordinates off a camera and transfer them to a map by hand. Not very practical for navigation. The only thing it will do is to silently record your travels for later perusal by you or the SAR team :-) just dead weight on the trip. FWIW You can get a little gps with MS Streets&Trips for $32. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 20:03:59 2009 Received: (qmail 14578 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 19:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 19:03:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9192E18244 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:03:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26568E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:03:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1115519ED21 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:03:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3962219ED09 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:03:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbeckrich@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.146]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:03:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so896420eyg.8 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:03:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.134 with SMTP id y6mr3509831wee.20.1257102227721; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:03:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0911010849y30d08f51n7149801249ac6503@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AED5FE5.7020104@chucknorcutt.com> <3859434.15491257075465878.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <9e908c1f0911010849y30d08f51n7149801249ac6503@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:03:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Rick Beckrich To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Death of the DSLR Camera - Gearlog X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 20:03:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeddb9f88441076813867 I'm afraid I'm in that camp, too. I keep bypassing the available dslr's in favor of advanced P&S's for my digital shooting. Even more confirmation - I just sent a "new" OM-1n to John H for rehab. Rick On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > > And good riddance too. As an avid ex-DSLR user, I can admit that they > > are kludges, all of them, > > good as they may be. In the bigger scheme of things, this temporary > > era of mixing optics/mechanics, > > and a digital sensor, will soon pass. > > > snip > > Anybody else feel the same? > > A little bit. The article Chuck cites is about markets. Being a > cranky niche user, isolated and self-subsistent, I don't care what > shows up in my next cell phone. > > But there was something wonderful about my first digicam, the C5060W, > followed soon by the C-8080, that has not been equaled by any DSLR. A > near perfect camera would be the C8080 with a modern 4/3 sensor and > much better EVF and the ability to change lenses. Micro4/3 is not > very far away from this, I should think. > > I took a little flak from people for going with a digicam instead of > just making the leap to a DSLR when I first experimented with digital > capture, but that was a really fun and creative time for me. The DSLR > has been a necessary phase but a slight letdown in comparison. I > certainly doubt that my children will ever pass through any sort of > SLR-DSLR phase. > > I think the OM-1 or similar camera is really useful for learning about > managing exposure, but other than that, I don't see an SLR as > essential.. > > Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 20:14:49 2009 Received: (qmail 5013 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 19:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 19:14:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C274E182A1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5192EE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C65519ED57 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:14:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22FDF19ED55 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:14:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so5592763bwz.30 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:14:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.34 with SMTP id q34mr406579hba.124.1257102879326; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:14:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:14:39 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Why are the Mamiya Lenses so good? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 20:14:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aedde291752439112457 Hi Dawid, Moose and all, Dawid Loubser wrote: > .... Specifically, I am talking about my scratched, slightly busted 65mm C-series wide angle lens, with an > equivalent of 32mm FOV. > > Have a look at this recently scanned slide (Provia 100, Epson V700) shot wide open (notice very shallow DOF, > blurred foreground just to prove it's taken wide open :-) in very demanding lighting conditions. This is a > torture-test for any lens, with extremely bright highlights all over the frame. > >< http://www.deviantart.com/download/141023473/Cubana_Full_Size_by_philosomatographer.jpg > From: Moose >As image, separate from source, I rather like it. So think I. However, I can see diffraction spikes at the brightest spots, most likely caused by the diaphragm blades, thus not really wide open? The DOF is relatively wide, having into account it's a medium format pic! ...but I may be wrong: it could be an artifact from the central shutter (which is constructed very much like an aperture iris), or maybe the 65mm is one of those lenses that do have a larger maximum aperture for viewing, and will always stop down a bit until their maximum shooting aperture -- some Zuikos do this, like the Macro 135/4.5 and... surprise! the old 35-70/3.6 (actually a 2.8-3.6 according to my testing) >I have no dog in this fight,as I have never owned a Mamiya lens or body, I had an RB67 setup including the 65mm lens (together with the 50, a 90 with sluggish shutter, 127 and 180) but sold everything a few weeks ago -- I had used it very little, it's too heavy! The Pentacon-Six would fulfill my 120-format needs ;-) >The >characteristic that immediately catches my attention is flare, and lots >of it. >What I do see it bright light spilling over into dark spaces all over >the place. Flare is when light that should be in one place as a >consequence of the refractive process that creates the images, including >its refractive aberrations, ends up in another due to scattering and >internal reflections in the optics. Well, a lens could be exceptionally well corrected from all aberrations and still suffer from flare in certain conditions. >I can't, of course say what effects in the image are due to film vs. >processing, scanning and post processing. However, given its >presentation as an example of lens quality, I assume it's all lens. There are a lot of sources for flare, no only internal reflections in the taking lens. In fact, the scanner does have some optics which may be (and usually are, e.g. CoolScan 4000ED) causing flare _and_ aberrations. >- The backlit "Ocean Buffet" sign on the right is almost unreadable.Faded or >flare? I don't know, but there is certainly flare evident in >the left one, too. Film may have some issues near overexposed zones, too. The left one shows a remarkable contrast, though. >- Look at the circular line of fluorescent light on the next windows >down. Wherever it crosses the frames and closed umbrellas, it >significantly cuts into the vertical lines. Could be from the taking lens, the scanner lens or, most likely, film halation. >- They also are strongly affected further to the left, where the thirdbright oval >sign and a spotlight and what appears to be a reflection of >it flare enough to completely obscure them. Way too overexposed to judge the lens, IMHO. >- The spotlights and chandeliers in the lower inside level are all blobs >larger than the actual size. Ditto. >- In any case, at the size presented, the scan is at about 1000 lines >per inch, not high enough to distinguish between even moderately good >lenses. There's no info here about how much resolving power the lens has. Agreed. To me, the main advantages or MF are: -Less grain -Less sensitive to lens' resolution -- not that much needed. I have pics taken on Tech Pan with a Lubitel (a _very_ cheap Russian TLR with a toy-like triplet lens) that enlarged to 12x16" look as good (if not better) than those taken with a top-quality 35mm camera-lens. >Now on to some issues about what makes a lens good. You prefer to shoot >wide open for shallow DOF. That means is that you will almost never see >image corners in focus, so corner sharpness isn't of much concern to >you. Many photographers of landscapes and such subjects want lots of DOF >and sharp corners. Not necessarily antagonistic. If the lens is _really_ well corrected _and_ the subject is reasonably flat*, you may combine a shallow DOF with sharp corners -- never as sharp as the centre, but to some extent that's also the case when stopped down. Some aberrations simply don't increase at the widest apertures. *) Or shaped as required by the lens' field curvature ;^) >Photographers of architecture want all that plus >minimal linear distortion. Not my case. Distortion won't affect the sharp definition of the picture. >I can't tell anywhere near for sure, but I >suspect from the sample that this lens has some classic bulgy center WA >distortion. Most likely. This is a retrofocus design -- a "very" retrofocus one, I dare to say. But as you said, distortion isn't an issue for everyone. >Show us some tree branch detail against bright sky in a corner of >a frame if you want to sell that point. But not _too_ bright, don't let other issues confuse us... >> ... M.Zuiko 17mm, [stinks] ... Yes, it does ;^) IME, the 35/2 offerings from Oly and Nikon are very poor performers wide open; the older non-radiactive Canon SSC was nearly as bad, but things got _much_ better with the newer, surprisingly lightweight and compact FDn version. Haven't tried the EOS/EF type, I don't know if it shares the optics with the FDn. >> This may be ballsy, but I'd like to see if the Leica M Summicron 35mm (a non-retrofocus design) can compare, Non-retrofocus wide-angles do have a _big_ advantage. I'm _really_ happy with my Cosina-Voigtlander wides (and lenses in general) in LTM and M-bayonet mount. >> ... Every time I lust after that OM Zuiko 35mm f/2.0 lens I hated mine, and it was my only Zuiko for many years :-( Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 20:16:52 2009 Received: (qmail 8239 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 19:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 19:16:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774C9E18229 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:16:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9C1E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1AD34AC028 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:16:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C269334AC027 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:16:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707683140D0 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:42:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2498A3140CC for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:42:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4AEDDEA2.1020000@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:16:50 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-0, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 20:16:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeddea457011258626592 > > I suspect that part (b) here refers to not being allowed to plant the > seeds derived from commercially developed (and patented) corn seeds. I think it refers to the fact that Monsanto has sued farmers who plant seeds contaminated with genetically patented material (Roundup tolerant) AND THEY WON!! The farmers did not want these seeds/plants since they contaminate their own organic crops making them worthless. If I remember Monsanto went onto the farmer's field to gather "evidence" without permission. The landmark case was somewhere in Canada... Ontario maybe? It has happened in the US too. Genetic contamination is now widespread. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 20:26:35 2009 Received: (qmail 26425 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 19:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 19:26:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37665E1822B for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE24E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A5819ED87 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:26:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F4D19ED6F for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:26:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:26:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06E13140D0 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39883140CC for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:52:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4AEDE0EA.6040203@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:26:34 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-0, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: [OM] does E510 katzeye fit E620?,> X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 20:26:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aede0eb136301234514069 Below is the response from Katzeye. Maybe someone on the list has tried an E510 Katzeye in the 620? I don't have a 620 to test. Mike > Hi Mike, > > Thank you very much for your inquiry. We do intend to update our Olympus > support to include most of the newer models and the E-620 is certainly a > model that I expect we will support at some point. And there is of course a > very real possibility that the screen for the E-620 will be the same as an > earlier model like the E-510. However, we have not yet begun work on the > E-620, so I don't have any compatibility information yet. And > unfortunately, our R&D budget has been drastically cut because of the > current economy, so I cannot provide any estimated release date or other > information yet. ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 21:00:48 2009 Received: (qmail 14293 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 20:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 20:00:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB4CE182A3 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF95E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B678519EEDD for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:00:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D6C19EEDB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:00:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:00:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so5628965bwz.30 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:00:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.34 with SMTP id q34mr410122hba.124.1257105639690; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:00:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:00:39 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Can't believe this happened! 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(ownvolition01@ownvolition.com@64.231.153.141) by mail.superhosting.ca with ESMTPAM; 1 Nov 2009 21:14:30 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 64.231.153.141 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:19:28 -0400 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers Thread-Index: AcpbOP6GPNaG9scsEd6RiQAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <4AEDDEA2.1020000@interisland.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 22:19:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aedfb6b229781357919056 Brian, I wonder if she's referring to the film "Food Inc." , which came out last year so must in or near the DVD stage now. It deals with both topics, factory farming of animals vs. more traditional producers and Monsanto and others trying to prevent farmers from planting their own seeds as virtually everything is "contaminated" with GM and thus effectively "owned" by these firms. Worth a view and it gives you cause to think, even though agribusiness apparently refused to participate, making it easy to demonise the "bad guys". Michael P.S. I suspect none of was shot in Iowa :-) . -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 22:22:40 2009 Received: (qmail 30968 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 21:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 21:22:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1A7E1829D for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:22:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322B4E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:22:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AD234AC027 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:22:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE5834AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:22:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (paganini16.register.it [81.88.48.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11679 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2009 21:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.46?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@87.52.186.238) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2009 21:22:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Leica Users Group , LEG , Olympus Camera Discussion Message-Id: <473E4193-DF59-43F1-9A6F-2998D6BE3598@frozenlight.eu> From: Nathan Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:22:25 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 31/10/2009: Lisbeth and Karl X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 22:22:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aedfc20168819752976205 Last night I got together with about 13-14 classmates from back then to celebrate the 30th anniversary of our high school graduation. It was a very pleasant evening which actually stretched into the early hours of this morning. Here is one vignette: http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/ 4253606_netUM#699762990_7Y2ev-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 22:24:27 2009 Received: (qmail 31110 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 21:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 21:24:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91ECE1824E for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:24:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C8CE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EDD34AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:24:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3EE34AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:24:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.59.43] (43.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.43]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC25F3DA5C2 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:24:13 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:23:40 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AEEB32C.20553.2455A2@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-1, 01/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 22:24:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aedfc8b184062517112723 A little trial to see if FastStone is as blunt an instrument as Moose suggests. At the top of http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ I have uploaded a 1.6 Mb segment of the Gibbston vineyard image, containing the sky that Moose suggested should have shown a lot more detail than my (large) web image presents. This is a crop from the jpeg straight out of the E-3 using Irfanview, unmodified in any way by me except to crop. No sharpening, no gamma, no resizing, no file size reduction, nothing. Moose suggested that the sky had been spoiled by FastStone in the web version lower down in the page. In my opinion, it has not been spoiled. If any of you have the time, I'd appreciate comment about that. in any case, from my point of view as photographer taking the photo, the sky was not the reason for the shot. If I had been thinking of taking sky shots that day, the camera would have stayed locked in a cabinet at home ... the sky was totally unremarkable to look at. But not the poplars in new leaf, as a backdrop to the vineyard in Spring. I was amazed I managed to upload a file this size to my site without disconnection. From NZ to Singapore. When I tried to download the file to check its dimensions just after, I was repeatedly disconnected; so all I can say is that at least 90% of what I intended to upload actually made it there. If somebody can tell me what the height of the uploaded file is, I'll be grateful. I can then set the correct size in the html file that contains it. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 22:50:18 2009 Received: (qmail 28919 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 21:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 21:50:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A148E18236 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EE3E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:50:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A234D19F76D for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:50:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CFF19F756 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:50:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:50:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8208 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2009 21:50:09 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2009 21:50:09 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEE028F.8070409@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:50:07 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEEB32C.20553.2455A2@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4AEEB32C.20553.2455A2@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-1, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 22:50:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee029a202595683411216 3637x970. Looks like most of the bottom got clipped off. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > A little trial to see if FastStone is as blunt an instrument as Moose suggests. > > At the top of > http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ > > I have uploaded a 1.6 Mb segment of the Gibbston vineyard image, > containing the sky that Moose suggested should have shown a lot more > detail than my (large) web image presents. > This is a crop from the jpeg straight out of the E-3 using Irfanview, > unmodified in any way by me except to crop. No sharpening, no gamma, no > resizing, no file size reduction, nothing. > If somebody can tell me what the height of the uploaded file is, I'll be > grateful. I can then set the correct size in the html file that contains it. > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 23:07:33 2009 Received: (qmail 23395 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 22:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 22:07:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BB9E182A1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2300E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F8634AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:07:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4998934AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:07:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.59.90] (90.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.90]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537F13DA52C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:07:26 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:06:52 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AEEBD4C.10957.4BE1D7@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-1, 01/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] ( OM ) lens database X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 23:07:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee06a580941234514069 Hi all, Recently there has been discussion on lens characteristics, numbers etc. Some years ago Scott Gomez had on his web-site a collation of Zuiko lens information provided by members of this group. Then for a while it seemed to have disappeared, and I wondered if it could perhaps be hosted elsewhere. I just found again and checked his site, and the data-set is still there, albeit in a different set of pages. Here you can find for each (nearly every) Zuiko lens focal length, info on lens numbers, production runs, lens nose colour, MC wording or not, colour of the lens coating, and summary graphs. It is really great to find this stuff still there. Go to http://www.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us/ http://www.petroglyph.crestline.ca.us/node/23 Maybe Scott will accept the recent new data? Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 23:18:03 2009 Received: (qmail 32054 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 22:18:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 22:18:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43618E1822E for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8172EE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6175B19F51D for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:17:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE97819F8F9 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alienspecimen@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2755 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2009 22:17:56 -0000 Message-ID: <132753.636.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: m2C8pkEVM1mQeRQPukX4CExEoISWm2kYk6h50kTp2rzG.LcGMSKFeQWKeBZUQ6YzGmE7WqIoFK_iiJuf7fg7U36TL25Zq9j5286f0nre1A24msjjGJ.NMGJD1tcH9qNb7obpI9FQ7K1Ds20sClipDI3BABhcdp_BdYKAbiTpamRS.3dueVv3xQ2lufctQj5HfFIDnWnAqD5zwq18PgaYkdhExLrgp6iNuYMyo519Uj..k8HdgUABXgTvRDNq1FZhQ1feLsiizfGX1h6RiCBfjKR.i9YrjXSnwt6_hjszaV0NbfgwSF80eKRdspyWaQjKQwDLfR4LwG2JqKthH7vgpUlNuFVzdaqpHO6Us1l5d9jpv7rLIhrToSGMXH56z_B74VvFJ90l4D_jp0dFubmYU8w- Received: from [74.97.135.252] by web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:17:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:17:56 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Yet another stupid question X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 23:18:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee091b265662517112723 Just wanted to thank you for your answers. =A0 John H,=A0 I am going to pass your information to my coworker. =A0 Boris = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 23:20:30 2009 Received: (qmail 18350 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 22:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 22:20:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C19BE181BA for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:20:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4CAE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BA634AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:20:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2D834AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:20:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24682 invoked by uid 504); 1 Nov 2009 22:20:21 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Nov 2009 22:20:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEE09A4.7090002@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:20:20 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEEB32C.20553.2455A2@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4AEEB32C.20553.2455A2@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-1, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 23:20:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee09ae299631612113968 I'll have to let Moose speak for himself but I did not interpret his comment as meaning that FastStone ruined any of your shots. Rather it's not doing much to help you out. The problem with the vinyard shot is that it is fairly significantly overexposed... probably by at least 1/2 stop. You can tell that by checking the histogram on the camera that you seem to proudly proclaim that you never use. Had you checked the histogram when you took the shot you could have seen the overexposure and chosen to reshoot. The overexposure has also led to an image which has very low overall contrast. The image can be improved without too much trouble but one first has to admit that it's overexposed to begin with and could benefit from some fixing. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > A little trial to see if FastStone is as blunt an instrument as Moose suggests. > > At the top of > http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ > > I have uploaded a 1.6 Mb segment of the Gibbston vineyard image, > containing the sky that Moose suggested should have shown a lot more > detail than my (large) web image presents. > This is a crop from the jpeg straight out of the E-3 using Irfanview, > unmodified in any way by me except to crop. No sharpening, no gamma, no > resizing, no file size reduction, nothing. > > Moose suggested that the sky had been spoiled by FastStone in the web > version lower down in the page. > > In my opinion, it has not been spoiled. > > If any of you have the time, I'd appreciate comment about that. > > in any case, from my point of view as photographer taking the photo, the sky > was not the reason for the shot. If I had been thinking of taking sky shots > that day, the camera would have stayed locked in a cabinet at home ... the > sky was totally unremarkable to look at. But not the poplars in new leaf, as a > backdrop to the vineyard in Spring. > > I was amazed I managed to upload a file this size to my site without > disconnection. From NZ to Singapore. When I tried to download the file to > check its dimensions just after, I was repeatedly disconnected; so all I can > say is that at least 90% of what I intended to upload actually made it there. > > If somebody can tell me what the height of the uploaded file is, I'll be > grateful. I can then set the correct size in the html file that contains it. > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 1 23:23:01 2009 Received: (qmail 32397 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2009 22:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 22:23:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A56BE18245 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4191E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:22:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D0234AC027 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:22:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E297134AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:22:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:22:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A81C9712 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:54:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:22:53 +0000 In-Reply-To: <473E4193-DF59-43F1-9A6F-2998D6BE3598@frozenlight.eu> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <473E4193-DF59-43F1-9A6F-2998D6BE3598@frozenlight.eu> Message-Id: <6D401E9A-3256-46D8-8362-159EED9CC78C@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 31/10/2009: Lisbeth and Karl X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 1 23:23:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee0a45138521234514069 That's an interesting story, Nathan, and well illustrated. I could not imagine being able to get all my classmates together now; it's as much as I can do to speak to a couple on the telephone. We are scattered to the winds. Chris On 1 Nov 2009, at 21:22, Nathan wrote: > Last night I got together with about 13-14 classmates from back then > to celebrate the 30th anniversary of our high school graduation. It > was a very pleasant evening which actually stretched into the early > hours of this morning. Here is one vignette: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/ > 4253606_netUM#699762990_7Y2ev-O-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 01:54:48 2009 Received: (qmail 15277 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 00:54:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 00:54:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B25E182A7 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:54:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25E8E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956CB34AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:54:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F046634AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:54:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20112 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2009 00:54:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.160.161) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 00:54:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEE2DC8.4090403@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:54:32 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEEB32C.20553.2455A2@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AEE09A4.7090002@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AEE09A4.7090002@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 01:54:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee2dd847102517112723 Some of you will recall my defense some time ago of US clouds and Maine clouds in particular against claims that GeeBee's Northamptonshire clouds were the best anywhere. I've recently posted several images from Maine with what I think are impressive clouds, and more are to come. This scene in particular reminded me when I was shooting it of some of his towering clouds. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 03:40:33 2009 Received: (qmail 25493 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 02:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 02:40:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F6EE18256 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8877FE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:39:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6891A03A9 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:39:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F5F1A03A8 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:39:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:39:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20852 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2009 02:39:16 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 02:39:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEE4654.1030000@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:39:16 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEEB32C.20553.2455A2@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AEE09A4.7090002@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEE2DC8.4090403@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AEE2DC8.4090403@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-1, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 03:40:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee46a114541220213263 Yes, it's good to see clouds with character. We even had some here a bit ago but I was in no position to go out and shoot them. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Some of you will recall my defense some time ago of US clouds and Maine > clouds in particular against claims that GeeBee's Northamptonshire > clouds were the best anywhere. > > I've recently posted several images from Maine with what I think are > impressive clouds, and more are to come. > > This scene in particular reminded me when I was shooting it of some of > his towering clouds. > > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 03:45:04 2009 Received: (qmail 26791 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 02:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 02:45:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A0DE1829D for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79930E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:44:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E681A03BC for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:44:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54601A03B0 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:44:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ed.sawyer@unh.edu whitelisted) Received: from exchange.unh.edu (mako.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from skate.ad.unh.edu ([169.254.3.159]) by mako.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.5]) with mapi; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:44:56 -0500 From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: "olympus@thomasclausen.net" Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:44:56 -0500 Thread-Topic: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. Thread-Index: AQHKW2Z1/xkBv2dckEyiGuuQePrrDQ== Message-ID: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186EE9961A@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 03:45:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee47b0287567801554290 hi Folks I am looking to buy or trade for an OM-4T, and also a 1-11 or 1-12 screen. I have a bunch of OM lenses I can offer, as well as other stuff photo-related, or of course cash. Recently I came into some OM Macro gear, and I had previously traded away my OM-4T (foolishly!) thinking I could use a Canon film body for most of my work with OM lenses. But the OM macro gear really works best with OM bodies, esp. for TTL OTF flash using stuff like T28 or T8 flashes. I currently only have an OM1 and OM2, neither of which supports the shoe-4 or the later 3-contact shoes on the OM4, which are needed for the TTL OTF, I believe. Hence, the need for an OM-4T. The screen (1-11 or 1-12) seems to be the one for high-magnification macro. Those I can find online if need be but if someone on the list has one to part with that would be even better. Also looking for any of the Olympus macro stands, like the VST, trans-illuminator setup, etc. Basically something to mount a bellows rail on vertically. Thanks in advance, -Ed Sawyer -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 03:55:52 2009 Received: (qmail 23939 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 02:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 02:55:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DEDE1829F for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:55:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B26E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:55:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AC734AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:55:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330BC34AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:55:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:55:47 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id nA22thJ4015657 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:55:45 GMT Message-ID: <0EE3069BCE7C4E3389EF2AF33382F2AD@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AEEB32C.20553.2455A2@bj.caverock.net.nz><4AEE09A4.7090002@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEE2DC8.4090403@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:56:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 03:55:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee4a38136472439112457 Very nice! Thanks for sharing them. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: [OM] Clouds Crush Village! > Some of you will recall my defense some time ago of US clouds and Maine > clouds in particular against claims that GeeBee's Northamptonshire > clouds were the best anywhere. > > I've recently posted several images from Maine with what I think are > impressive clouds, and more are to come. > > This scene in particular reminded me when I was shooting it of some of > his towering clouds. > > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 04:23:57 2009 Received: (qmail 9463 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 03:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 03:23:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20586E181A8 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D410E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D6F1A0424 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:23:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65681A0419 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:23:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA23NjDk002728 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:23:46 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.bc8.5dca645f (41812) for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:23:42 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:23:42 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] How do you say near mint? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 04:23:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee50cd313281413256596 110452344376 Absolutely nothing here I need, however if I wanted a 100mm f2.8, I'd be looking at this one. AG might go crazy because it is his favorite color . . . silver nosed. Heck all the lenses are silver nosed and the entire kit looks clean as a whistle. I did pick up a kit tonight that was nothing I really needed, but what the heck, sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 04:27:24 2009 Received: (qmail 16246 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 03:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 03:27:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF32E18246 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4204FE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1856234AC027 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:27:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500A434AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:27:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:27:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.123]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA23RHpM012393 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:27:18 +1100 Message-Id: <200911020327.nA23RHpM012393@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:27:17 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:27:17 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 04:27:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee519c36281076813867 > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > Yes, it's good to see clouds with character. We even had some here a > bit ago but I was in no position to go out and shoot them. > So, how is the new knee going now ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 04:44:05 2009 Received: (qmail 29921 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 03:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 03:44:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D229E18058 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074D7E240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C121434AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:43:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F2C34AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:43:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl26.gs02.gridserver.com (cl26.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.35]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:43:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-127-85-128.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.85.128]:61190 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl26.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1N4npi-0003f5-GR for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:43:56 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:45:11 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] How do you say near mint? Thread-Index: AcpbbuDTH410IMdiEd6BxQAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] How do you say near mint? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 04:44:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee5585115731560218263 Looks awesome but I bet it goes for a mint. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 11/1/09 10:23 PM, "NSURIT@aol.com" wrote: > 110452344376 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 04:55:06 2009 Received: (qmail 1603 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 03:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 03:55:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B04AE18200 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE1CE240C1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1996234AC029 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:55:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66A534AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:55:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:55:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA23t0Uh025466 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:55:00 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.cb6.5b3149e7 (41812) for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:54:58 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:54:58 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] How do you say near mint? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 04:55:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee581a105001136683642 In a message dated 11/1/2009 9:44:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com writes: Looks awesome but I bet it goes for a mint. You are on. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 05:04:03 2009 Received: (qmail 4584 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 04:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 04:04:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216C5E18245 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1E1E240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5DC1A049A for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:03:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7C61A0496 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:03:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20743 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2009 04:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.160.161) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 04:03:57 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEE5A2A.7010900@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:03:54 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186EE9961A@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> In-Reply-To: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186EE9961A@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 05:04:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee5a33327625368819438 Sawyer, Edward wrote: > .... > > Recently I came into some OM Macro gear, and I had previously traded away my OM-4T (foolishly!) thinking I could use a Canon film body for most of my work with OM lenses. But the OM macro gear really works best with OM bodies, esp. for TTL OTF flash using stuff like T28 or T8 flashes. I currently only have an OM1 and OM2, neither of which supports the shoe-4 or the later 3-contact shoes on the OM4, which are needed for the TTL OTF, I believe. > > Hence, the need for an OM-4T. > For your intended use, I don't see where you need a "T". Other than titanium top & bottom plate and use with the F280 for FP style flash, all it offers is lower battery drain. With a little care, all the three plain 4s I've had have had a the new circuit with the low battery drain. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 05:06:34 2009 Received: (qmail 15993 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 04:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 04:06:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09F1E181BA for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0CCE240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E96C1A04A4 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:06:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7DD1A04A2 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:06:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so5928195bwz.30 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:06:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.220 with SMTP id l28mr475317hbe.117.1257134788187; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:06:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4AEDDEA2.1020000@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:06:28 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 84a486bf6b142bbf Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 05:06:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee5aca185081076813867 > > P.S. I suspect none of was shot in Iowa :-) . > My next-door neighbor in my condo is a manager out at the big Monsanto seed foundation plant here. What do you want to know? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 05:06:43 2009 Received: (qmail 5225 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 04:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 04:06:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D7BE18279 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:06:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD979E240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17F934AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:06:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A03234AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:06:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA246Zus025695 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:06:35 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.bf6.437bcc84 (41812) for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:06:33 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:06:33 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 05:06:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee5ad3133411234514069 In a message dated 11/1/2009 10:04:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, olymoose@gmail.com writes: For your intended use, I don't see where you need a "T". Other than titanium top & bottom plate and use with the F280 for FP style flash, all it offers is lower battery drain. With a little care, all the three plain 4s I've had have had a the new circuit with the low battery drain. Sometimes they come up at a good price, like the 4T I sold recently at $185 right here on this list. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 05:12:07 2009 Received: (qmail 12747 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 04:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 04:12:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488A8E18056 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:12:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1839E240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B797434AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:12:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6479934AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:12:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA24C04q001893 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:12:00 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.d60.5cb8a52b (41812) for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:11:54 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:11:54 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 05:12:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee5c1747141879814018 In a message dated 11/1/2009 10:06:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: My next-door neighbor in my condo is a manager out at the big Monsanto seed foundation plant here. What do you want to know? If the farmer has sown seed that were not the genetically altered/patented seeds, how does he get in hot water with the patent holders of the altered seeds? If the seeds taken from his land were in fact taken while someone was trespassing, how could they be used in a court of law against him. In the story real or is it unaltered BS. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 05:32:04 2009 Received: (qmail 18232 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 04:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 04:32:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10205E181D8 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:32:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DEFE240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA10334AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:31:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A0834AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:31:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:31:57 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id nA24Vrjq011840 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:31:56 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:32:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 05:32:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee60c474061220213263 Bill, My understanding is that pollen from altered plants can blow into neighboring fields and polinate non-altered strains, transferring the altered characteristics to the seeds from that field. Then, the owners of the altered strains can bring suit against the neighbor for inappropriate use of their product, even though the neighbor had know reason to expect this to take place. A lawsuit can bankrupt a small farmer, and any settlement due the original large owner may be settled by transfer of the land. Hence, the small farmer is gone, and the large company just keeps growing. I saw a TV show based on this premise, about 2 weeks ago. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers > > In a message dated 11/1/2009 10:06:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, > ken@zone-10.com writes: > > My next-door neighbor in my condo is a manager out at the big Monsanto > seed > foundation plant here. What do you want to know? > > > > > If the farmer has sown seed that were not the genetically altered/patented > seeds, how does he get in hot water with the patent holders of the altered > seeds? If the seeds taken from his land were in fact taken while someone > was trespassing, how could they be used in a court of law against him. In > the story real or is it unaltered BS. Bill Barber > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 05:39:42 2009 Received: (qmail 3847 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 04:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 04:39:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B19E181D6 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BB3E240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:39:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD7234AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:39:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC92134AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:39:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0105.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:39:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0220.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0105.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4105F731F69 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:38:22 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0220 Received: by dm0220.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d15b36b2) id dm0220.4aedf958.a71b for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:34:46 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMTtrlK7mFmgs1WEgIAAAAB,19751e7337fa2738adb479eadce88f11 X-Vipre-Scanned: 0255926400156A025593B1-TDI Message-ID: <4AEE6241.3060800@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:38:25 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEDC509.2010701@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <4AEDC509.2010701@interisland.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Geocoding images [was A Few From Acadia National X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 05:39:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee628e66392439112457 I don't use the info in the backcountry. I record the GPS data and then upload the file to the computer when I am at home. The info is then matched to the photos. This is one of the reasons I am interested in a smaller device than the Garmin. Navigation in the wilderness is to critical to be trusted to any electronic device. Thommens Altimeter and a Suunto compass for me! Jim Couch Mike Lazzari wrote: > Jim, The battery life may be good in the save mode but does it give you > any useful info in the wilderness? How do you access that info? I think > you need another device like a laptop. Maybe you can pull your > coordinates off a camera and transfer them to a map by hand. Not very > practical for navigation. The only thing it will do is to silently > record your travels for later perusal by you or the SAR team :-) just > dead weight on the trip. > > FWIW You can get a little gps with MS Streets&Trips for $32. > > > Mike > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 05:44:47 2009 Received: (qmail 20999 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 04:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 04:44:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525C9E18279 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A26E240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:44:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47671A04F6 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:44:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06ED81A04E2 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:44:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2388 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2009 04:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.160.161) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 04:44:38 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEE63B3.4000500@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:44:35 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEEB32C.20553.2455A2@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4AEEB32C.20553.2455A2@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 05:44:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee63bf277301950411718 Brian Swale wrote: > A little trial to see if FastStone is as blunt an instrument as Moose suggests. > > At the top of > http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/ > > I have uploaded a 1.6 Mb segment of the Gibbston vineyard image, containing the sky that Moose suggested should have shown a lot more detail than my (large) web image presents. This is a crop from the jpeg straight out of the E-3 using Irfanview, unmodified in any way by me except to crop. No sharpening, no gamma, no resizing, no file size reduction, nothing. > > Moose suggested that the sky had been spoiled by FastStone in the web version lower down in the page. > You have misread or misunderstood me. What I meant to say, and thought I had made clear, was that the tulip shot, which you characterized as badly underexposed, was rather well exposed, while the vineyard is overexposed: ---- "BUT, but, it looks to me like the exposure is right on the money. Perhaps by mistake, you've properly exposed to the right. Compare the tulips to the vineyard. At least as presented, the sky in the vineyard is quite unsightly, with large areas of undifferentiated pure white where our eyes know there was tonal detail." ---- While I did indeed characterize FastStone as a blunt and unsophisticated instrument, my only comment on it relative to the specific images was in regard to the tulip image alone. At that, I said the defect was small and only "may" be from processing: ---- "The tulip sky is nicely captured, giving a good tonal rendition of a cloudy day. The web version has a bit of clipped highlight, but very little and it may be from processing." ---- > In my opinion, it has not been spoiled. If any of you have the time, I'd appreciate comment about that. > As above, reread my post. I never said any such thing. In fact, I believed that the vineyard image was already spoiled and hardly looked at it. The sky in it is clearly beyond any help or harm by editing. I only referred to it as a poor comparison to the tulip exposure. > in any case, from my point of view as photographer taking the photo, the sky was not the reason for the shot. That's fine. And if you are happy with it, excellent. However, you posted it for comment. For me, and perhaps some others, the wildly unnatural sky made the image unpalatable enough that I didn't really look at the rest of it. A mistake, perhaps, but my own taste. The thing that interests me, and that you apparently aren't interested in, is that you have at hand the equipment to capture the whole dynamic range of the subject, but reject that alternative. A simple exposure adjustment of -2/3 or 1 EV would have resulted in a properly exposed shot. I just tried an exposure adjustment of -1 stop in PS. I suppose that's not quite the same as in camera, but it's what I have. As Chuck has pointed out, the image is low contrast, flat looking, as presented. Adding a bit of LCE, curves, etc. brings it right up. I didn't touch the sky, as it can't be helped, but for fun, I dropped in an alternate with sky from the tulips. > If I had been thinking of taking sky shots that day, the camera would have stayed locked in a cabinet at home ... the sky was totally unremarkable to look at. But not the poplars in new leaf, as a backdrop to the vineyard in Spring. > And yet, you shot the sky, if only because it is part of the scene. And to the extent that the sky looks bad, some people will never notice the poplars. I know I didn't until now. I just thought "overexposed, uninteresting" and moved on to the next image. I sometimes have trouble just keeping up with the images posted here, let alone the gazillions presented in other places. I just flip past those with big, obvious technical flaws, unless anticipating that they may be an intentional part of an artistic vision. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 06:00:31 2009 Received: (qmail 18163 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 05:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 05:00:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2252FE182A1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D447CE240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:00:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C461334AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:00:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF6434AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:00:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:00:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22209 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2009 05:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.160.161) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 05:00:25 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEE6764.5090501@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:00:20 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEDC509.2010701@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <4AEDC509.2010701@interisland.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Geocoding images [was A Few From Acadia National X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 06:00:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee676f221272439112457 Mike Lazzari wrote: > ... > > Moose, Does the Travel Logger software that comes with the iGotU work with other gps units? Seems like good software is the key. The gps is just a recording device. I already have several including a little bluetooth device. What I need is software I can use. > It may, but it doesn't really matter, as there are so many free local and web apps that do that work rather well. > Jim, The battery life may be good in the save mode but does it give you any useful info in the wilderness? How do you access that info? I think you need another device like a laptop. Maybe you can pull your coordinates off a camera and transfer them to a map by hand. Not very practical for navigation. The only thing it will do is to silently record your travels for later perusal by you or the SAR team :-) I started to get excited about non-auto GPS devices. With a little looking, one may get a good used one for no more than a new I-gotU. As I was setting up watches on auctions, I had a small revelation. I didn't intend to do off road navigation and didn't want another largish, heavyish gadget to carry around. I stopped looking and bought the best solution for me. If I were interested in off road navigation as well, I would have gone a different way. > just dead weight on the trip. > 26 g, or 0.9 oz ain't much. It's TINY! > FWIW You can get a little gps with MS Streets&Trips for $32. > > Interesting, but limited. Unlike off road GPSs and trackers like the I-gotU, it looks to be only a GPS receiver, of no use whatsoever unless attached to a laptop. The I-gotU may be used in that dumb mode, too. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 06:15:08 2009 Received: (qmail 14082 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 05:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 05:15:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4D9E181DE for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B930EE240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F291A051A for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:15:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D5D1A0511 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:15:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10617 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2009 05:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.160.161) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 05:15:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEE6AD1.1090900@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:14:57 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEDC509.2010701@interisland.net> <4AEE6241.3060800@spokeandsprocket.com> In-Reply-To: <4AEE6241.3060800@spokeandsprocket.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Geocoding images [was A Few From Acadia National X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 06:15:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee6adc107235683411216 Jim Couch wrote: > ... > > Navigation in the wilderness is to critical to be trusted to any electronic device. Thommens Altimeter and a Suunto compass for me! > My favorite backpacking location was the Southern Sierra. I soon discovered that one needs only a topo. Above tree line in high country, landmarks are obvious and your location in 3D clear. And then, you KNOW if you change drainages, something about climbing a couple of thousand feet and crossing the pass. :-) If I were tromping about in other wilderness, I do think I would use a GPS. I'd certainly carry a topo, compass and perhaps altimeter, enjoy the convenience of the gadget and keep my position marked on the map as I went along in case it fails. There are enough poorly marked trails and junctions and other uncertainties out there that being warned early about taking a wrong path seems worthwhile, if nothing else. The decision whether to bushwhack or go back around is always difficult and often wrong. :-) BTW, my short interest in GPS devices for off road did reveal a potentially important difference between Garmin and Magellan. Both have a track back feature, able to lead back whence one has come. However, the Garmin skips points, while the Magellan does not. No prob if it tries to take you over a big rock you remember going around on the way in, but what about the gully in the dark?. One user reported running aground in a river when his Garmin didn't direct him around a bend, but across it. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 06:38:37 2009 Received: (qmail 30884 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 05:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 05:38:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87CBE1822B for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:38:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88472E240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:38:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBD93610001 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:38:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A335734AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:38:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (donholbrook@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:38:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 05dn1d00317dt5G525eYcP; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 05:38:32 +0000 Received: from sz0029.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.79]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 05eY1d0021iZpPQ3Z5eY4d; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 05:38:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:38:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Don Holbrook To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <722768888.4936291257140312133.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4AEE5A2A.7010900@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.98.207.13] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.18_GA_3076.RHEL5_64 (zclient/5.0.18_GA_3076.RHEL5_64) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 06:38:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee705d204181357919056 or a 2n. Have taken several thousand shots with them, and see no big advantage in using a 4. If you're using the 80 or shorter lenses, you may prefer the 12 over the 11 (& use a varimagnifier). As for TTL flash, the closer you get to the subject, manual flash settings via the manual may be useful. YMMV ----- Original Message ----- From: Moose To: Olympus Camera Discussion Sent: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:03:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. Sawyer, Edward wrote: > .... > > Recently I came into some OM Macro gear, and I had previously traded away my OM-4T (foolishly!) thinking I could use a Canon film body for most of my work with OM lenses. But the OM macro gear really works best with OM bodies, esp. for TTL OTF flash using stuff like T28 or T8 flashes. I currently only have an OM1 and OM2, neither of which supports the shoe-4 or the later 3-contact shoes on the OM4, which are needed for the TTL OTF, I believe. > > Hence, the need for an OM-4T. > For your intended use, I don't see where you need a "T". Other than titanium top & bottom plate and use with the F280 for FP style flash, all it offers is lower battery drain. With a little care, all the three plain 4s I've had have had a the new circuit with the low battery drain. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 07:18:05 2009 Received: (qmail 6973 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 06:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 06:18:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89D7E18255 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E4AE240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC93E1A05C5 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:17:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5814C1A05C4 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:17:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so2305747fga.8 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:17:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.102.226.14 with SMTP id y14mr1934941mug.76.1257142677143; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:17:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186EE9961A@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186EE9961A@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:17:57 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911012217h2062f9a5i6e2dc85efd7ce17c@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 07:18:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee799d308033900897491 I'm kicking myself, now - but how could I guess this back in 2003? .... The 1-11 was being sold here for nothing ... _nothing!_ ! Dozens of them, NIB, no one interested, including myself. I offered them to Tom Scales ... no luck. I talked to a friend of mine who is a gastroenterologist ... no luck. At the moment, I never dreamed I'd be buying a 80/4 + 170 in 2009 - yes, I am doing so at the moment. But still not sensible to upgrade my audio gear. Nonetheless, I may do foolish things ..... Creeping zuikoholism !! :-( I hope a 1-4 might suffice (at least in a 2n) - I have one NIB thanks to Andrew :-) Heads up: there's one at yabe in the UK (last week at least ...) - for an insane amount. Fernando 2009/11/2 Sawyer, Edward : > > The screen (1-11 or 1-12) seems to be the one for high-magnification macro. Those I can find online if need be but if someone on the list has one to part with that would be even better. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 07:22:34 2009 Received: (qmail 10386 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 06:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 06:22:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CDAE18056 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D141E240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793911A05CF for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:22:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97F51A05C8 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:22:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4746 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2009 06:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.160.161) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 06:22:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEE7A9F.6030003@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:22:23 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <722768888.4936291257140312133.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <722768888.4936291257140312133.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 07:22:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee7aaa184271073733319 Don Holbrook wrote: > or a 2n. Have taken several thousand shots with them, and see no big advantage in using a 4. Why one might choose a "4" over a "2n", esp. for macro work: - Mirror/aperture prefire. - Adjustable diopter. - TTL connector. - Built-in hot shoe, one less gadget/connection to go wrong. I happily used a 2n as my primary camera for many years. I find the 4 to have practical advantages. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 07:24:01 2009 Received: (qmail 8909 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 06:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 06:24:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769FAE18279 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A162E240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA6534AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:23:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2108234AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:23:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6859 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2009 06:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.160.161) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 06:23:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEE7AF8.9020307@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:23:52 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 07:24:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee7b01142951946193717 A sight on Mt. Desert. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 07:29:59 2009 Received: (qmail 22868 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 06:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 06:29:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54249E18246 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF9FE240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011C434AC025 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:29:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803A134AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:29:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so5989762bwz.30 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:29:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.126.27 with SMTP id d27mr1941595mun.56.1257143393248; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:29:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <722768888.4936291257140312133.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <4AEE5A2A.7010900@gmail.com> <722768888.4936291257140312133.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:29:53 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911012229h4144bc0co4efdcd1430b46000@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 07:29:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee7c67303271946193717 Go for the 2n - it has one great advantage over the 4: it's repairable (and inexpensive ... ) 2009/11/2 Don Holbrook : > or a 2n. Have taken several thousand shots with them, and see no big adva= ntage in using a =A04. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 07:38:33 2009 Received: (qmail 26677 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 06:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 06:38:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF85E18244 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:38:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2657E240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03131A0604 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:38:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175901A05FA for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:38:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:38:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so5993819bwz.30 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:38:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.50.21 with SMTP id c21mr1940812muk.27.1257143906804; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:38:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:38:26 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911012238x20e099e7i815050fbbf145ca2@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] How do you say near mint? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 07:38:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee7e6974931258626592 rotflol !! 2009/11/2 : > sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. > > Bill Barber > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 07:40:55 2009 Received: (qmail 6284 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 06:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 06:40:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332F7E18256 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:40:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BF8E240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262D63610002 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:40:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9B634AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:40:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d58-104-127-65.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.127.65]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA26ekr9027889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:40:47 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186EE9961A@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> <4AEE5A2A.7010900@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AEE5A2A.7010900@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:40:46 +1100 Message-ID: <002f01ca5b87$69955f70$3cc01e50$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcpbcYQmA3Qp7Kg7Rju2m3AGDO/vMAAFaptg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 07:40:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee7ef7208311234514069 > > > > Recently I came into some OM Macro gear, and I had previously traded > away my OM-4T (foolishly!) thinking I could use a Canon film body for > most of my work with OM lenses. But the OM macro gear really works best > with OM bodies, esp. for TTL OTF flash using stuff like T28 or T8 > flashes. I currently only have an OM1 and OM2, neither of which > supports the shoe-4 or the later 3-contact shoes on the OM4, which are > needed for the TTL OTF, I believe. > > > > Hence, the need for an OM-4T. > > You can use T series TTL with the OM-2, you just need a Shoe 3. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 07:42:29 2009 Received: (qmail 15437 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 06:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 06:42:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412BAE18247 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:42:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F84BE240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8532234AC027 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:42:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9210134AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:42:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alanmwood@yahoo.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from n20.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (n20.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [87.248.110.137]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:42:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [217.12.4.214] by n20.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2009 06:42:20 -0000 Received: from [87.248.111.147] by t1.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2009 06:42:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2009 06:42:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 261079.58890.bm@omp204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 29273 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2009 06:42:20 -0000 Message-ID: <185630.29060.qm@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9dCKlXwVM1mbh2lguTrQWIZYok3FT4ZyA8.XsCeztah6VfWKwgq4G5FYGLnlClzVzKAeSQETT6.y0DUe4frPv2dFUQIuWI5_6s4W4IvtpzL_LuFprRRnFrBlAvSI7L7Q0r82CdYuG_AWyG.1ly87IW4bor8kTQFWVT6Fi7Iev8xil0QVVT2WbJNXHNAs5I06KK.iT75kRXZud4reICelyfFc5mkkn5PrP4kWIV_BrflxU019mRBNZWaFO8baxzCZQmvy5skJF7KwtIMutWzi4DeuXHuyBjwiqo8ySVfD2vy8Boyvj0n9m1O0cmFt1Sdn8Ti6U6S7MuBmB4xspkmvvVrjmDwL3g0jHgDIsrJvpc1UIeQLE1cc21EuIw-- Received: from [117.47.19.169] by web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:42:20 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/211.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 References: <8CC20A18146B671-30CC-A288@webmail-d058.sysops.aol.com> <005201ca59eb$02dceca0$0896c5e0$@com> <790216.2184.qm@web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <100.6824050047f3eb4a.004@comkal.net> <122133.75491.qm@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4AECA3B5.5080906@gmail.com> <4AECBC43.4060600@chucknorcutt.com> <4AECC60C.6060104@gmail.com> <4AECE310.7000907@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:42:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Wood To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AECE310.7000907@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Auto Bellows on digital bodies X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 07:42:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee7f55199075683411216 Thank you all for the suggestions. The first set of 4 tables is now live in the "Going digital" section of thi= s page: http://www.alanwood.net/photography/olympus/macro-lens-20-35.html I have included model designations, sensor sizes and extension, which shoul= d keep most people happy. -- = Alan Wood http://www.alanwood.net (Unicode, special characters, pesticide names) ----- Original Message ---- > From: Chuck Norcutt > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Sent: Sun, 1 November, 2009 8:23:28 > Subject: Re: [OM] Auto Bellows on digital bodies > = > OK, now I see the point if the intent is to produce magnification = > tables.=A0 But the info of extension required by body is still valuable. > = > Chuck Norcutt > = > Moose wrote: > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Eh?=A0 How does that help?=A0 Both the E-1 and E-500 have the same sen= sor size = > but the E-1 (unlike the E-500) doesn't have a built-in flash protrusion a= nd = > doesn't need an extension tube.=A0 Or have I missed your meaning entirely? > >>=A0 = > > = > > Yes, you have. What I mean is that labeling a table "E-500, E-510 with = > > 7mm" will lead to inevitable questions from those with E-520, 620 and = > > future models. > > = > > I would instead label the table "4/3 sensor with 7mm extension tube". = > > Anyone with camera, adapter, tube(s) and bellows in hand will obviously = > > know which tube they needed to mount the bellows. > > = > > So the tables become: > > 4/3 sensor with 7mm extension tube (13.5x18mm) > > 4/3 sensor without extension tube (13.5x18mm) > > APS-C sensor with 14mm extension tube (22.2 x 14.8 mm*) > > Full Frame film or sensor with 7mm Extension tube (24x36mm) > > = > > * Individual models vary slightly. > > ----------------- > > If desired, a second table could document models and tube needed for ea= ch. > > = > > Note that Alan wrote "It looks as though I need 4 new tables for each = > > macro lens:" With camera models noted in the table titles, adding new = > > models could be quite a chore for all those individual tables. > > = > > Moose = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 07:46:27 2009 Received: (qmail 32324 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 06:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 06:46:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16560E1822B for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:46:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80662E240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EC634AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:46:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CF634AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:46:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:46:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDB8C96FC for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:18:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:46:20 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4AEE2DC8.4090403@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEEB32C.20553.2455A2@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AEE09A4.7090002@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEE2DC8.4090403@gmail.com> Message-Id: <06309931-87F0-4D21-9639-57CD98DFC946@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 07:46:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee8043325071073733319 They're not really towering clouds, Moose, but I like the composition ... and the name :-). Chris On 2 Nov 2009, at 00:54, Moose wrote: > Some of you will recall my defense some time ago of US clouds and > Maine > clouds in particular against claims that GeeBee's Northamptonshire > clouds were the best anywhere. > > I've recently posted several images from Maine with what I think are > impressive clouds, and more are to come. > > This scene in particular reminded me when I was shooting it of some of > his towering clouds. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 08:04:46 2009 Received: (qmail 8460 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 07:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 07:04:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102CBE181AE for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:04:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729EEE240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:04:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673F03610002 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:04:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B8634AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:04:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:04:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <18762869.15681257146283954.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 462 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:18:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:04:35 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Why are the Mamiya Lenses so good? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 08:04:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee848e271859752976205 Hi Carlos, Thank you for your many responses to aid this discussion. I just wanted to add that the shot was certainly made wide open, and the pretty starbursts around point source of light are from the metal-bladed leaf shutter. Also, while the Mamiya 50mm very-wide-angle lens has some barrel distortion, the 65mm is *very* rectilinear, I have never picked up any distortion in any of my images, and I am quite sensitive to distortion, my most disliked aberration (and hence my dislike of the M.Zuiko 17mm for its fisheye- like poor performance in that regard). You cannot use my posted image to judge distortion, as it's a photo of a curved building, with a curved foreground :-) And you do support my point that the scanner optics are a big source of flare, especially a cheapo scanner like an Epson V700, which performs nowhere near as good as a Nikon 4000 or 9000. cheers, Dawid On 01 Nov 2009, at 9:14 PM, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > Hi Dawid, Moose and all, -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 08:20:26 2009 Received: (qmail 12436 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 07:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 07:20:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CC3E18236 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:20:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB0AE240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:20:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1563834AC026 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:20:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC2934AC024 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:20:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (unknown [93.17.128.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2121.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C9AF5700008E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:20:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (unknown [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2121.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A97FD7000087 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:20:06 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091102072006694.A97FD7000087@msfrf2121.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AEE8831.6020600@sfr.fr> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:20:17 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEE7AF8.9020307@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AEE7AF8.9020307@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 08:20:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee883a324721744846740 Like it a lot here. Thanks for sharing Phx Moose wrote: >A sight on Mt. Desert. > > >Moose > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 08:41:08 2009 Received: (qmail 26528 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 07:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 07:41:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B028AE18214 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BF9E240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6481A06CD for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:41:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A55D1A06AB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:41:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:41:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19206 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2009 07:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.160.161) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 07:40:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEE8D07.3050701@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:40:55 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEEB32C.20553.2455A2@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AEE09A4.7090002@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEE2DC8.4090403@gmail.com> <06309931-87F0-4D21-9639-57CD98DFC946@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <06309931-87F0-4D21-9639-57CD98DFC946@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 08:41:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee8d14276542517112723 Chris Barker wrote: > They're not really towering clouds, More like lowering, I suppose. :-) > Moose, but I like the composition ... and the name :-). > Thanks! Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 08:59:49 2009 Received: (qmail 3816 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 07:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 07:59:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAD9E1829E for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:59:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FF0E240CB for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD18C1A06D2 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:59:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365601A06C0 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:59:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (paganini15.register.it [81.88.48.48]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31845 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2009 07:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.46?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@87.52.186.238) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 07:59:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Leica Users Group , LEG , Olympus Camera Discussion Message-Id: From: Nathan Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:59:34 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 08:59:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee9175208531560218263 Perhaps I have a root of a project here: vending machines selling = strange items. In the Atocha station in Madrid there is one selling = inkjet cartridges; in the centre of =C5rhus, my hometown in Denmark, = there is this: http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/belgiangator/misc/20091030- = L1008405.jpg.html Nathan BTW: PESO=3DPicture Every So Often, i.e. stuff that does not fit into = any of my other streams of consciousness. Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=3Dwajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 09:06:07 2009 Received: (qmail 5903 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 08:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 08:06:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5B0E181AE for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EDFE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE691A06E6 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:06:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9391A06E1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:06:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:06:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nA285wfl026523 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:05:58 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA285v50007220 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:05:58 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <95E14008F15C4440A81721B98F660389@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <18762869.15681257146283954.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:05:36 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Why are the Mamiya Lenses so good? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 09:06:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee92ef18724877110844 Don't know about the V700 my old Epson 4870 is no poorer than my 4000ED in flare department. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawid Loubser" > > And you do support my point that the scanner optics are a big source > of flare, especially > a cheapo scanner like an Epson V700, which performs nowhere near as > good as a > Nikon 4000 or 9000. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 09:18:54 2009 Received: (qmail 337 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 08:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 08:18:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CE8E1822E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B3CE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CB41A075F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:18:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D2D1A075C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:18:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9231 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2009 08:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 08:13:20 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:18:45 +1100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 09:18:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee95ee34376107113666 Amusing but not even close to the strangest I heard of - machines in = Japan selling used (as in unwashed) girl's undies. Auto-erotic Automat. How is it that no-one ever develops a fetish for something useful, = like ironing? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2009, at 6:59 PM, Nathan wrote: > Perhaps I have a root of a project here: vending machines selling > strange items. In the Atocha station in Madrid there is one selling > inkjet cartridges; in the centre of =C5rhus, my hometown in Denmark, > there is this: > > http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/belgiangator/misc/20091030- > L1008405.jpg.html > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 09:33:23 2009 Received: (qmail 9518 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 08:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 08:33:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D561E1824C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:33:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C88E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:33:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3707234AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:33:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84D434AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:33:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com (mail-ew0-f207.google.com [209.85.219.207]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so576393ewy.37 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:33:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.93.1 with SMTP id k1mr1071577wef.151.1257150794462; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:33:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:33:14 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 782be253fcf073cc Message-ID: <9f07ac840911020033gb7687d6qbd9f23dd53a70167@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 09:33:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee9953274505368819438 Ah but we need to see pictures, apocrypha and hearsay not accepted here! Jez-at-the-ironing-board On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Amusing but not even close to the strangest I heard of - machines in > Japan selling used (as in unwashed) girl's undies. > Auto-erotic Automat. > > How is it that no-one ever develops a fetish for something useful, > like ironing? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 09:42:56 2009 Received: (qmail 8255 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 08:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 08:42:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FEEE181AC for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F51BE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C4519D91A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:42:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2738D19D915 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:42:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11395 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2009 08:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 08:37:22 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911020033gb7687d6qbd9f23dd53a70167@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:42:47 +1100 References: <9f07ac840911020033gb7687d6qbd9f23dd53a70167@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 09:42:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee9b9045221879814018 Dammit - who cares if it's true or not. (It's true that it's a story). It deserves to be true! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2009, at 7:33 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > Ah but we need to see pictures, apocrypha and hearsay not accepted > here! > Jez-at-the-ironing-board > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Andrew Fildes > wrote: > >> Amusing but not even close to the strangest I heard of - machines in >> Japan selling used (as in unwashed) girl's undies. >> Auto-erotic Automat. >> >> How is it that no-one ever develops a fetish for something useful, >> like ironing? >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 09:56:55 2009 Received: (qmail 22449 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 08:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 08:56:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8D1E181CF for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8304FE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F51419DA6C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:56:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB78519D930 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:56:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:56:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch ([81.221.125.14]:52349 helo=ians-mac-pro.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N4siW-0005cn-Jh for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:56:48 -0600 Message-ID: <4AEE9ECB.5040300@picturepedia.org> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:56:43 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <9f07ac840911020033gb7687d6qbd9f23dd53a70167@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 09:56:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee9ed7136661357919056 Not a fetish but have you seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_ironing IanW >>> How is it that no-one ever develops a fetish for something useful, >>> like ironing? >>> Andrew Fildes >>> afildes@people.net.au >>> >>> >>> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 09:58:31 2009 Received: (qmail 16900 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 08:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 08:58:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03869E181CD for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:58:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D5DE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:58:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08A719DA74 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:58:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2372F19D930 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:58:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.145] (helo=anti-virus03-08) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1N4sk4-0006c4-Ki for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:58:24 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1N4sk3-0006CM-If for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:58:23 +0000 Message-ID: <4AEE9F30.4030407@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:58:24 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEE7AF8.9020307@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AEE7AF8.9020307@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 09:58:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aee9f3769401234514069 Moose wrote: > A sight on Mt. Desert. > > > Moose LOL. I've no idea what that is, but another fine one to go with the previous three, Moose! D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 10:24:21 2009 Received: (qmail 25003 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 09:24:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 09:24:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D11E18246 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB14BE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEC034AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:24:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA69934AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:24:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:24:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <26779032.15731257154660922.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 430 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:37:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <95E14008F15C4440A81721B98F660389@MAIN> X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:24:13 +0200 References: <18762869.15681257146283954.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <95E14008F15C4440A81721B98F660389@MAIN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Scanners and flare. [Was:] OT: Why are the Mamiya Lenses so good? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 10:24:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeea545324211258626592 From the output I have seen, which shows the Epsons to be poorer on most fronts (and rightly so) to the more expansive Nikon scanners, I had assumed that this would include flare also. That's good to know, thank you... There nothing for it, but to get a Flextight then :-) Damn, good scanners are expensive. I often fantasise about finding an old drum scanner for cheap and learning how to use it, but that's not likely to happen here in ZA. On 02 Nov 2009, at 10:05 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Don't know about the V700 my old Epson 4870 is no poorer than my > 4000ED in > flare department. > > C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 10:25:28 2009 Received: (qmail 957 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 09:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 09:25:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46676E181D6 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129AAE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05893610001 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:24:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B7A34AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:24:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15383 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2009 09:19:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 09:19:19 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AEE9ECB.5040300@picturepedia.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:24:44 +1100 References: <9f07ac840911020033gb7687d6qbd9f23dd53a70167@mail.gmail.com> <4AEE9ECB.5040300@picturepedia.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 10:25:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeea588205669730998309 Not bad - almost as daft as American, er, football. :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/11/2009, at 7:56 PM, SwissPace wrote: > Not a fetish but have you seen > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_ironing > > IanW >>>> How is it that no-one ever develops a fetish for something useful, >>>> like ironing? >>>> Andrew Fildes >>>> afildes@people.net.au >>>> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 10:26:31 2009 Received: (qmail 11039 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 09:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 09:26:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FFAF14012 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:26:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0027E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33FE34AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:25:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435AC34AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:25:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2223.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8D8F570000A2; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:25:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (unknown [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2223.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 19D33700009D; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:25:23 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091102092523105.19D33700009D@msfrf2223.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AEEA5AE.9010304@sfr.fr> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:26:06 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: liste leica reflex , Leica Users Group , Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: PAW 44 - Phx - Testing times X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 10:26:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeea5c7165711073733319 Last week was spent at a Chalet in Switzerland, trying to recover from the ordeal of a burglary sufffered the week before, when Alice's car and camera gear vanished overnight ... now replaced in part. So here's the mood in the chalet after dusk http://tinyurl.com/yh7zq3s (Beer tasters and chocolate lovers might enjoy seeing it large) Bien cordialement de Metz Phileicangemix -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 10:28:27 2009 Received: (qmail 22053 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 09:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 09:28:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC7EE181DE for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:28:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FD6E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:28:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B7434AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:28:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AA134AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:28:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:28:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <11165865.15741257154908773.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 583 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:41:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AEE9ECB.5040300@picturepedia.org> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:28:20 +0200 References: <9f07ac840911020033gb7687d6qbd9f23dd53a70167@mail.gmail.com> <4AEE9ECB.5040300@picturepedia.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] WTF?! [Was:] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 10:28:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeea63b35379752976205 No way.... I particularly enjoyed the underwater extreme ironing: http://www.360cities.net/image/extreme-ironing-underwater On 02 Nov 2009, at 10:56 AM, SwissPace wrote: > Not a fetish but have you seen > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_ironing > > IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 10:33:10 2009 Received: (qmail 21320 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 09:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 09:33:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857E3E18244 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB8FE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F96134AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:33:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F2034AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:33:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:33:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1766337.15771257155191907.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 841 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:46:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8081557.14411256886873503.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:33:03 +0200 References: <8081557.14411256886873503.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Show me some 250/2.0 shots please! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 10:33:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeea756146256789618724 Aww come on - still not a single image by anybody other than the two small TOPE pictures, neither of which really show the character of the lens for normal subjects? Is nobody using this lens for fun? :-) On 30 Oct 2009, at 9:01 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Hi All, > > Are there any owners of the Zuiko 250/2.0 hanging around here? (If > you are, you're very quiet, > I've never seen any of you). I am especially interested in seeing > some black and white > images produces with this lens. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 11:15:14 2009 Received: (qmail 14298 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 10:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 10:15:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7C8E181B9 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E15E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C2A3610002 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:15:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5023610001 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:15:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13725 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2009 10:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) 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2 Nov 2009 10:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 10:58:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9783DE181D8 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432D9E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0303610005 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:58:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944463610001 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:58:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:58:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936C746158A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:25:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:58:39 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4AEEA5AE.9010304@sfr.fr> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEEA5AE.9010304@sfr.fr> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: PAW 44 - Phx - Testing times X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 11:58:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeebb6744711946193717 Philippe I'm sorry to hear of the burglary, but the pic looks good. I'm rather fond of chocolate, especially Swiss, Belgian, German or French ... :-) Chris On 2 Nov 2009, at 09:26, Philippe Amard wrote: > Last week was spent at a Chalet in Switzerland, trying to recover from > the ordeal of a burglary sufffered the week before, when Alice's car > and > camera gear vanished overnight ... now replaced in part. > So here's the mood in the chalet after dusk > > http://tinyurl.com/yh7zq3s > (Beer tasters and chocolate lovers might enjoy seeing it large) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 12:15:01 2009 Received: (qmail 16680 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 11:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 11:15:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4385E18246 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 03:14:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6AFE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 03:14:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9824334AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 03:14:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0471034AC027 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 03:14:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 03:14:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13207 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2009 11:14:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 11:14:53 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEEBF2D.9040505@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:14:53 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200911020327.nA23RHpM012393@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200911020327.nA23RHpM012393@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-1, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 12:15:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeebf35163262517112723 The doctor told me that, at one month from surgery, I could expect about the same amount of pain as I had before surgery. I'm 4 days away from the 1 month mark and I'd have to say his pain estimate was optimistic. However, I'm definitely over the hump and my physical trainer tells me I'm running ahead of the curve. Left eye cataract goes away this morning. Chuck Norcutt Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> Yes, it's good to see clouds with character. We even had some here a >> bit ago but I was in no position to go out and shoot them. >> > > So, how is the new knee going now ? > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 13:26:52 2009 Received: (qmail 21836 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 12:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 12:26:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CEFE182A9 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F27E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:26:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD20034AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:26:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941B334AC027 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:26:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA2CQZev028694 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:26:35 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.c6f.415185ec (41809) for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:26:34 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:26:34 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 13:26:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeed00c28312439112457 In a message dated 11/1/2009 10:32:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, jhnichols@lighttube.net writes: A lawsuit can bankrupt a small farmer, and any settlement due the original large owner may be settled by transfer of the land. Hence, the small farmer is gone, and the large company just keeps growing. I saw a TV show based on this premise, about 2 weeks ago. In two words, "That sucks." Seems to me the small farmer would have grounds for recourse against the big company that polluted is natural strain of seeds. Where is the ACLU when you need them? Are the small farmers not being deprived of "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?" Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 13:30:24 2009 Received: (qmail 25936 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 12:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 12:30:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D8BE182A3 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C999E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105BD19E1AF for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:30:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EFC619E1AE for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:30:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com (mail-ew0-f207.google.com [209.85.219.207]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so747597ewy.37 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:30:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.170.34 with SMTP id q34mr491664hbe.3.1257165018285; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:30:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1766337.15771257155191907.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <8081557.14411256886873503.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <1766337.15771257155191907.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:30:18 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9a8f11cdf59cdb39 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Show me some 250/2.0 shots please! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 13:30:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeed0e0137871073733319 > > Is nobody using this lens for fun? :-) I assume you sling barbells around for fun? AG (ripped) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 13:33:34 2009 Received: (qmail 18922 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 12:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 12:33:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EC6E181D6 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7D5E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C6419E1E1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:33:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE04A19E1B1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:33:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com (mail-ew0-f207.google.com [209.85.219.207]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:33:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so750304ewy.37 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:33:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.34 with SMTP id q34mr484326hba.124.1257165207147; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:33:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEEBF2D.9040505@chucknorcutt.com> References: <200911020327.nA23RHpM012393@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4AEEBF2D.9040505@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:33:27 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 64dbedb55a5f9e68 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 13:33:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeed19e245385368819438 > > Left eye cataract goes away this morning. Oh! I see. AG (but I doubt you'll look any better) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 13:37:55 2009 Received: (qmail 5887 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 12:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 12:37:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A35E18229 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5851FE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F9119E24C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:37:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898D719E23A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:37:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.90] (90.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.90]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0343DA892 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:37:44 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:37:41 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AEF8965.72.203E2D5@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-1, 01/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 13:37:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeed2a3246985368819438 Chuck wrote > > 3637x970. Looks like most of the bottom got clipped off. Yes, as I explained, I used a crop of the top of the image, to keep the file size small. Otherwise there would have been a file of about 6.5Mb to download, and i wouldn't want to inflict that on anybody. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 13:37:59 2009 Received: (qmail 6517 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 12:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 12:37:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF94E182CA for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:37:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE81E240E5 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A81B34AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:37:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8601F34AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:37:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.90] (90.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.90]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1403DA899 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:37:41 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:37:41 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AEF8965.4769.203E11F@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-1, 01/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 13:37:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeed2a7259301879814018 Moose wrote: > I just tried an exposure adjustment of -1 stop in PS. I suppose that's not > quite the same as in camera, but it's what I have. As Chuck has pointed > out, the image is low contrast, flat looking, as presented. Adding a bit > of LCE, curves, etc. brings it right up. > I get the point. Yes, LESS exposure is better for that shot. Others taken of that vineyard moments later with precisely identical settings in the camera were considerably less exposed. But at home with time on my hands I didn't like the composition nearly as much as the one I posted. With all the camera settings at around zero variation for everything/anything, it beats me why it produces such variable results. Or to put it in plain English, I don't understand why the exposures should be so wildly different when the same subject is nearly the same composition. Maybe that shiny timber railing did it. http://www.brianswale.com/zuikoholics/PA160549-Gibbston-vineyard- poplars-1000.JPG I didn't take a film back-up shot that day as I didn't really expect to take many shots (brought no film camera with me). Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 13:53:17 2009 Received: (qmail 28250 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 12:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 12:53:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEF0E1819D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FAEE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:53:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977E219E2D6 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:53:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720A119E2D0 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:53:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:53:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <16949373.15821257167196434.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 563 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:06:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:53:07 +0200 References: <8081557.14411256886873503.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <1766337.15771257155191907.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Show me some 250/2.0 shots please! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 13:53:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeed63d68353900897491 Misseur Schnozz, that depends entirely on the end result one might expect from slinging said barbells around. I, for one, just might... On 02 Nov 2009, at 2:30 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Is nobody using this lens for fun? :-) > > > > I assume you sling barbells around for fun? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 13:54:32 2009 Received: (qmail 16022 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 12:54:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 12:54:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D64E181AC for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44512E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382B834AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:53:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EC334AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:53:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.148]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:53:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so992872eyg.8 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:53:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.142.145 with SMTP id g17mr530533hba.55.1257166408109; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:53:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:53:28 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 41e04efec23610e5 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 13:54:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeed688122261357919056 > > If the farmer has sown seed that were not the genetically altered/patented > seeds, how does he get in hot water with the patent holders of the altered > seeds? If the seeds taken from his land were in fact taken while someone > was trespassing, how could they be used in a court of law against him. In > the story real or is it unaltered BS. I think you might wake the sleeping giant (BB) on this one... It is fair to assume that when one thinks of "Industrial Farming" that Iowa would be the poster-child of it. Iowa and surrounding states is ground-zero when it comes to extreme-production farming. It doesn't get any more industrial than here. That stated... Those big "corporate farms" aren't necessarily owned by Monsanto and other big mean companies. The typical "corporate farm" around these parts is 3000 acres, with half of that land rented from retired farmers. These "corporate farms" are pulling in an average of 200 bushels of corn per acre, some much more, some a little less. (in comparison, the small mom-pop farm with 500 acres gets about 150 bushels an acre and both husband and wife hold jobs in town). The farmers have a choice in seed: 1. Heirloom crops. Fine and dandy, but typically top out at 100 bushel and acre, give or take. 2. Self-grown hybrid. Seed farming is highly technical and costly. 3. Puchase industrial-grown hybrid seeds. Seeds cost a lot and are single-use only. It takes multiple generations of hybridization to come up with some of these seeds today. It is not unusual for a seed to have been hybridized 20-30 times to get to the point where it is today. Unfortunately, these seeds are usually single-use, meaning that an attempt to hold back part of the crop for replanting doesn't work well because the resulting plant will be characterized as one of the plants that made up the hybrid mix. If left to regenerating on their own without further hybridization, the plants will digress back towards the original form. It is usually quite easy to spot a field that has pirated seed in it because the uniformity of plant height is usually a dead give-away. The reason to purchase legitimate seeds from the seed companies is because of the increase in yield and tolerance to disease, bugs, dry and wet. Yes, they are expensive, but without hybrids, we'd be in deep trouble. Every farmer must make the decision to buy expensive seed and get a big crop or grow his own seed and risk everything. GM (Genetically Modified) seed is another animal altogether. Hybrids are NOT genetically modified. They are hybrids. Two entirely different critters. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 14:31:48 2009 Received: (qmail 8730 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 13:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 13:31:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110BEE18236 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7C6E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E7534AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:31:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E196634AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:31:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:31:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA2DVZGZ013305 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:31:35 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.d61.5be77561 (41809) for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:31:30 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:31:30 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 14:31:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeedf44193591234514069 Texas isn't Iowa, however I grew up in an area where there were several hybrid seed growers (producers of, rather than users of) and understand the process. The story being passed around seemed to be that the farmer planted his non-patented/not round up resistant seeds and the bees and the wind caused his field to be pollinated from with the patented seed plants in a neighboring field and this cross pollination is what caused the problem. Perhaps I misunderstood. Where is Barry Bean when we need him? Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 14:36:47 2009 Received: (qmail 9953 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 13:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 13:36:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCD4E181AE for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0793E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E2619E518 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:36:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1862119E533 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:36:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ed.sawyer@unh.edu whitelisted) Received: from exchange.unh.edu (ray.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from skate.ad.unh.edu ([169.254.3.159]) by ray.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.6]) with mapi; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:36:39 -0500 From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: "'olympus@thomasclausen.net'" Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:36:39 -0500 Thread-Topic: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. Thread-Index: Acpbrg91YkwNc2XSTeWNiPvtU+gErwAEyGMg Message-ID: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55611B@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 14:36:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeee06f56499752976205 John Rockman - RE: 1-11 screen - I'd like to take you up on your offer. For some reason I can't seem to send you direct email, it's getting bounced back by roadrunner.com. Thus I have to send via the list - sorry about that. Please email directly (if you have another email address that would be great.) Thanks -Ed Sawyer -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 14:56:54 2009 Received: (qmail 30200 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 13:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 13:56:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10796E181AE for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:56:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EC4E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6230A34AC028 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:56:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2355234AC027 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:56:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 05:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSH00L9CIQI6C3C@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:56:42 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AEEE51D.9050604@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:56:45 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <738E12E2-D6F5-4205-81DC-27D3BDBA6C65@threeshoes.net> In-reply-to: <738E12E2-D6F5-4205-81DC-27D3BDBA6C65@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] FL36 gone t*ts-up X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 14:56:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeee526314185368819438 The same thing happens with mine. I found that after a time of non use, I've been able to get mine to turn on by pressing and holding the "on" button. Hope it works for you. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chris Barker wrote: > Harrumph! > > I am quite miffed to find that my FL36 has stopped working, will not > switch on, remains dormant ... is a late flashgun ;-). > > I suppose that no one else has had this and found a quick, simple and > cheap fix? It's nearly 5 years old so cannot be in any sort of > warranty, but I haven't abused -- or even used it that much. > > Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:02:15 2009 Received: (qmail 27571 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:02:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D40DE1819F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98A3E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1F219E629 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:02:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D81819E628 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:02:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com (mail-ew0-f207.google.com [209.85.219.207]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:02:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so840063ewy.37 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:02:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.129 with SMTP id w1mr1353623wee.145.1257170526354; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:02:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9f07ac840911020033gb7687d6qbd9f23dd53a70167@mail.gmail.com> <4AEE9ECB.5040300@picturepedia.org> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:02:06 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911020602w1220500dh98ed1da62576e46d@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:02:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeee667240761076813867 I take it "er" stands for "real"? "Daft" is pretty close if you'd seen my team's win on Sat. Joel (Go Hawks) W. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Not bad - almost as daft as American, er, football. :-) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:03:38 2009 Received: (qmail 221 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:03:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31E8E18246 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE500E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:03:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936B634AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:03:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CA534AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:03:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com (mail-ew0-f207.google.com [209.85.219.207]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so841210ewy.37 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:03:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.135 with SMTP id c7mr4620968wef.62.1257170590240; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:03:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEEE51D.9050604@verizon.net> References: <738E12E2-D6F5-4205-81DC-27D3BDBA6C65@threeshoes.net> <4AEEE51D.9050604@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:03:10 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911020603v798d4219q76865c245c7553b2@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] FL36 gone t*ts-up X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:03:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeee6ba206671073733319 I've decided to drop this item from my B&H wishlist ... Joel W. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:56 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > The same thing happens with mine. =A0I found that after a time of non use, > =A0I've been able to get mine to turn on by pressing and holding the "on" > button. Hope it works for you. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson =A0| =A0 CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 =A0| =A0www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Chris Barker wrote: >> Harrumph! >> >> I am quite miffed to find that my FL36 has stopped working, will not >> switch on, remains dormant ... is a late flashgun ;-). >> >> I suppose that no one else has had this and found a quick, simple and >> cheap fix? =A0It's nearly 5 years old so cannot be in any sort of >> warranty, but I haven't abused -- or even used it that much. >> >> Chris -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:08:26 2009 Received: (qmail 4158 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:08:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75A8E18255 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:08:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26591E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:08:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182CD19E664 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:08:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC2B19E65F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:08:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:08:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSH000ZSJ9JKEP3@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:08:07 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AEEE7CA.9010700@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:08:10 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4ae8deb8.9553f10a.09df.5a4b@mx.google.com> <4AE9A461.5050401@bresnan.net> <4aea2dee.9553f10a.0715.ffffa059@mx.google.com> <4AEAFE1E.2030004@bresnan.net> <4AEB0D1D.4060601@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4AEB0D1D.4060601@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Printers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:08:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeee7da95481076813867 Converting the Pro9000 is very easy. Pushing the buttons on the front of the printer in a specific order sets it to European mode. Uninstall driver, reinstall it, download label software. http://damnprinter.com/172/canon-ip4200-ip5200-pro9000-cd-printing-instructions.html ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I wouldn't worry about invalidating your US warranty. All you'd have to > do is reverse the simple setup mods before sending it for service if > service was even required. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Candace Lemarr wrote: >> Dan, >> >> Thank you for all of this info. >> I'll look into everything you've linked to or suggested. >> I actually dreamed about printers last night, ugh! >> >> I have been looking at so many printers, and many Canon models. Some >> reviews say the newer Pixma models cannot be "hacked" to add the cd/dvd >> printing, but if one purchased the printer outside the US, then it >> already has it. (For example, the ip4700). Of course, various models >> have various pros and cons, ink usage etc, so there is much to compare >> and think about. >> And I was and still am thinking the same as you, depending on the dollar >> amount paid for the printer, there will be a time when purchasing from >> Canada might be the better option. And, of course, warranty coverage >> would be a moot point anyhow, wouldn't it? If I bought a Canon in the >> US, but then added the cd/dvd print capability it would void my warranty >> anyhow. Purchasing the same model canon printer from Canada with the cd >> print capability already installed would mean the printer had a >> warranty...just a Canadian warranty. If one could do this for around >> $150.00--$200.00 by the time printer, first set of inks, and shipping is >> added in, it would seem like a good option to me. I don't need a lot of >> bells and whistles, just two. :-) >> >> Although, I have to admit to having some printer lust when I was >> checking out the pro9000. Much more than what I need or am budgeting >> for, but wow. >> >> Thank you so much for the offer to show me the print quality, it is very >> kind of you. I may take you up on that in the not so distant future. >> If it's ok, I will reply off list at that time. >> >> Thank you again for your time and thoughts, I appreciate it very much. >> >> Candace >> >> >> >> Daniel Sepke wrote: >>> Candace, >>> >>> It's a free download from Canon's European sites (along with the necessary >>> Euro Spec drivers). Look for CD Label Print. It does all of the things you >>> need it to. You can do full bleed style printing right to the outside edge. >>> I have found that some of fully printable hub style discs have a print area >>> larger than the printer can actually print to though. This isn't really a >>> problem for most of the discs I make but it's worth noting so you can stock >>> up on the best discs (I like the Tayo-Yuden's in 100 packs available from >>> many eBay sellers for around the $35 mark. >>> >>> The only down side I can see to buying from Canada would be warranty support >>> issues. When I let go of my pro9000 (lack of use) I set it back to USA spec >>> and sold the CD tray separately for what I paid for it. If you end up >>> getting one of the sub $100 models I would expect it *would* work out better >>> to snag a Canada spec machine as if it goes wrong it's not likely worth the >>> trouble to fix it or send it back. >>> >>> With regard to print quality the one I have has never disappointed for CD >>> printing and the occasional photo print has done OK. I use a regular lab for >>> all the print sales I do and don't print much of my personal stuff at the >>> moment. Ken is often heard on Canon print quality and I think a few other >>> have them (I seem to recall that John got a pro9000 at about the same time >>> as I did). >>> >>> If you like email me a picture or a layout from CD Label Print and I will be >>> happy to mail you the end result printed on a CD so you can see what it's >>> like before you leap. >>> >>> Yours, Dan. >>> >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:11:07 2009 Received: (qmail 26839 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:11:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F34E18256 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D981AE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2E719E67D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:11:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F6E919E67C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:11:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ed.sawyer@unh.edu whitelisted) Received: from exchange.unh.edu (mako.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from skate.ad.unh.edu ([169.254.3.159]) by mako.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.5]) with mapi; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:11:00 -0500 From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: "'olympus@thomasclausen.net'" Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:07:32 -0500 Thread-Topic: WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. Thread-Index: Acpbrg91YkwNc2XSTeWNiPvtU+gErwAFyTjw Message-ID: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55611D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:11:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeee87b87873900897491 Thanks for the feedback, guys. Can an OM-2 with shoe-3 do OTF TTL? I had thought one needed the 3-contact shoe... removing the Shoe-2 on there shows only 2 contact pins... Moose, indeed a regular OM-4 would work fine too. And for the reasons you mentioned, the 4 would be preferable to the 2. (diopter, mirror/aperture prefire in particular). I guess I just thought of OM-4t first since I had one in the past and was familiar with it. The set up in question will be (at least for now) a 20/2 on bellows, probably with T-28. I also ended up with the T8 (and a bunch of other stuff) but I think it's not recommended for the 20/2. Thus the desire for 1-12 or 1-11 screen, OM-4(t), and VST/stand/etc. The 20/2 just doesn't seem to be feasible as a field-use rig, from initial playing with it. Yeah, the 20 macro is definitely jumping into the deep end of the macro pool but it was a good deal so I figured I'd give it a try. Up till now I had been doing 1:1 macro at most (Canon 180L, OM 50/3.5, OM 90/2, - those are my primary macro lenses, along with some extension tubes). Thanks for any assistance and advice, -Ed -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:12:12 2009 Received: (qmail 25199 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:12:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18866E182AA for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D22E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31CF19E677 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:11:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1222419E670 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:11:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com (mail-ew0-f207.google.com [209.85.219.207]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:11:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so849709ewy.37 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:11:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.202 with SMTP id c52mr4592038wef.215.1257171078105; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:11:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEE7AF8.9020307@gmail.com> References: <4AEE7AF8.9020307@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:11:18 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911020611k61af2bb8q9434d3803d1ffd39@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:12:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeee8bc46381234514069 On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Moose wrote: > A sight on Mt. Desert. > > > Moose Add a me too on the likey counter. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:14:44 2009 Received: (qmail 6856 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:14:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77ECE18148 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4763DE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:14:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C70A34AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:14:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D1134AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:14:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSH00CA6JK09M2A@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:14:24 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AEEE943.3060108@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:14:27 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <738E12E2-D6F5-4205-81DC-27D3BDBA6C65@threeshoes.net> <4AEB0C74.1020605@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] FL36 gone t*ts-up X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:14:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeee95463121006886880 There could easily be a half dozen points inside to get a shock. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ken Norton wrote: >> Just be careful of the big capacitor if you open it up. >> > > LOL, not just the big ones either. I opened up my ancient D-380 one time > and managed to plant my finger right across a couple traces that contained > the voltage off of the flash's capacitor. Took two weeks before the burn > marks faded. > > Burnt flesh doesn't smell good. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:15:49 2009 Received: (qmail 19890 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:15:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CE8E181AE for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB21E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D225834AC027 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:15:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE2A34AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:15:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.45] ([72.79.30.57]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSH00B76JL50U20@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:15:06 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AEEE969.4090108@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:15:05 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEE7AF8.9020307@gmail.com> In-reply-to: <4AEE7AF8.9020307@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:15:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeee995137635683411216 Moose wrote: > A sight on Mt. Desert. > > > Moose Really nice shot, but damn sam, that's tough to figure out. My guesses are a) the edge of a tile or b) a sliced/sectioned stone. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:19:55 2009 Received: (qmail 13988 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:19:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE17E18246 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45C0E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9099C34AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:19:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523F334AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:19:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSH0059CJSLFSVU@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:19:33 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AEEEA78.9020209@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:19:36 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <738E12E2-D6F5-4205-81DC-27D3BDBA6C65@threeshoes.net> <2E0BB551-DA40-4B07-953E-24BFB0461263@threeshoes.net> <4AEB5138.1000003@gmail.com> In-reply-to: <4AEB5138.1000003@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] FL36 gone t*ts-up X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:19:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeeea8b14351073733319 I get the impression that the FL-36 on-off switch is similar to the spot button on the OM-4. On the inside, a pad presses against patterns on a circuit board. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Moose wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> So does mine tho' it seems to co-operate if you hold it down. >> > > Might be a good idea for Chris to take the batteries out, then work the > switch back and forth fairly vigorously quite a few times. Some switches > that are seldom used and carry low voltage get oxidation/whatever on the > contacts that can be worked off that way. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:26:33 2009 Received: (qmail 4911 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:26:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CD1E18244 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7722E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8798219E706 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:26:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BBC19E6FF for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:26:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-web10-z01 ([10.127.132.101]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091102142627209.OAKK10304@cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:26:27 +0000 Message-ID: <20091102142627.3QQN7.540932.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 9:26:27 -0500 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: Cc: Moose Subject: Re: [OM] Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:26:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeeec19105487801554290 Excellent. Even on my uncalibrated monitor at work. September did show some impressive skies in Maine. Perhaps because Geebee is not posting anymore? Hum. Here's a sample from Southwest Harbor on trip a week or two prior to yours. I have some others, but they haven't made it out of post yet. http://www.bwp33.com/page6/files/page6-1007-full.jpg --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com ---- Moose wrote: > Some of you will recall my defense some time ago of US clouds and Maine > clouds in particular against claims that GeeBee's Northamptonshire > clouds were the best anywhere. > > I've recently posted several images from Maine with what I think are > impressive clouds, and more are to come. > > This scene in particular reminded me when I was shooting it of some of > his towering clouds. > > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:30:57 2009 Received: (qmail 3524 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:30:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCB5E182A7 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:30:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E5BE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C3434AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:30:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F83734AC02B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:30:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSH00LHJKB6Y8SI@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:30:43 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AEEED13.60005@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:30:43 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEC2828.2152.A00E4D@bj.caverock.net.nz> <0A768EAF7B6F46248964300C5EAEC7B8@jimnichols> In-reply-to: <0A768EAF7B6F46248964300C5EAEC7B8@jimnichols> Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:30:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeeed21297096107113666 Yes, I've heard that too. Farmers who buy seeds from Monsanto (? or is it ADM) are told they are not allowed to save seeds from future harvests and doing so would make them subject to arrest. Family farms generally get crushed by the "agri-corporations". They lose their land and become tenant farmers. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jim Nichols wrote: > Brian, > > I saw a CSI-type show on CBS last week that implied some of that. I haven't > seen anything that was presented as a documentary. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Swale" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 6:06 PM > Subject: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers > > >> My g/f tells me there is a DVD about to become available in NZ which >> details >> restrictive practices of large USA companies in relation to family >> farming. >> >> She mentioned (a) a farm doing free-range hen & rooster culture being shut >> down; (b) a maize grower who was sowing his own seed being prevented >> from doing so. >> >> I'd appreciate informed comment on this. >> >> Brian Swale. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:35:42 2009 Received: (qmail 30913 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:35:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64B4E182A8 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDB1E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DD334AC02A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:35:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1138334AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:35:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-web10-z01 ([10.127.132.101]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091102143536362.OCUJ10304@cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:35:36 +0000 Message-ID: <20091102143536.7DHNS.541096.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 9:35:36 -0500 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AEE7AF8.9020307@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: Cc: Moose Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:35:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeeee3e1571234514069 Looks like the Elgin Marbles seen through the haze of LSD. Nice, though, like, far out, man. --Bob ---- Moose wrote: > A sight on Mt. Desert. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:43:40 2009 Received: (qmail 24587 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:43:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723D9E18246 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:43:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7D3E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0A419E7B8 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:43:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C2B19E7B5 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:43:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-web10-z01 ([10.127.132.101]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091102144333697.NFNY14605@cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:43:33 +0000 Message-ID: <20091102144333.9X6DS.541251.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 9:43:33 -0500 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: Cc: Andrew Fildes Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:43:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeef01c172591612113968 Alas, I hate to agree, but it seems to me that American Football has evolved into a filler to separate clumbs of mind-numbing, albeit occasionally amusing, commercials for beer so weak I wouldn't serve it to my worst enemy. Went to a professional game once, Atlanta v. San Francisco, and in the stadium it's even worse. Most of the time spent watching players stand around during TV time-outs. Lots of time to drink weak beer and eat really expensive hot dogs, though. All and all, I wouldn't spend the money to go see another one. Sigh. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com ---- Andrew Fildes wrote: > Not bad - almost as daft as American, er, football. :-) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:54:09 2009 Received: (qmail 23077 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:54:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1304FE18214 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:54:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39EEE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9464319E85D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:54:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5630F19E857 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:54:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSH00JGCLDZQXU8@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:54:00 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AEEF28B.5000007@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEC9DBB.18526.104E88A@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-reply-to: <4AEC9DBB.18526.104E88A@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM) Re: ( OM) Coyotes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:54:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeef291278421357919056 I hope you are okay! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Brian Swale wrote: > I was mauled by a cougar a few nights back, but I gave as good as I got, > and I think at worst I might have lost a patch of fur .... > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:55:23 2009 Received: (qmail 26248 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:55:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC04E18212 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D7DE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C947134AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:54:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E1934AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:54:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (listadr@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so5095756yxe.22 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:54:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.91.76.5 with SMTP id d5mr8927837agl.68.1257173650662; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:54:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (pool-98-111-148-214.phlapa.east.verizon.net [98.111.148.214]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm2554511yxg.46.2009.11.02.06.54.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:54:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:54:10 -0400 From: Jim Loudon To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: Organization: Not Applicable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:55:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeef2db38481006886880 There's a pretty good overview of the variety of goods available from Japanese vending machines here: http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/09/vending-machines-craze-in-japan.html Included in the collection is a machine dispensing lingerie (no idea whether previously used). The only thing I ever bought from a Japanese vending machine was a two liter can of beer. Another interesting (to me) vending machine is this one from from Russia dispensing caviar: http://englishrussia.com/images/caviar_wending.jpg jim -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 15:56:37 2009 Received: (qmail 4187 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 14:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 14:56:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522C1E18246 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:56:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15222E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:55:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D3A19E87B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:55:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8414019E875 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:55:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA2EtPMf024731 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:55:25 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.cdb.5e689e0c (41809) for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:55:23 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:55:21 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 15:56:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeef325315151073733319 In a message dated 11/2/2009 8:31:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, omtech1@verizon.net writes: Farmers who buy seeds from Monsanto (? or is it ADM) are told they are not allowed to save seeds from future harvests and doing so would make them subject to arrest. How is that different from: Buying a copy of Photoshop, making bootleg copies and selling them or Selling one of your images for "one time use" and the buyer taking and using it multiple times without paying you or perhaps "sharing" it with others who use it without paying for its use It seems pretty simple to me. Something is offered for sale with some restrictions. If you buy it you agree to the restrictions. If don't agree, you don't buy. If you do buy and violate the restrictions, you create legal problems for yourself because of your theft. Choices. We all have to live with the consequences of our choices. In my view, if you steal, lie or cheat, you give up your right to complain about the consequences of your intentional acts. Am I missing something? Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 16:08:12 2009 Received: (qmail 28656 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 15:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 15:08:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E7CE1829E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EEBE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7046B19E927 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:08:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB1119E91F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:08:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so6497307bwz.30 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:08:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.3.219 with SMTP id 27mr2480332bko.127.1257174483813; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:08:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEE7AF8.9020307@gmail.com> References: <4AEE7AF8.9020307@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:08:03 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0911020708v25fddb58p25fbb519b46fd723@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 16:08:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeef5dc236081744846740 Interesting Moose. I'm going to guess the side of a bridge or parking garage constructed with pre-stressed concrete sections now stained and discolored by road salt, weather, etc. Am I even close? Charlie On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Moose wrote: > A sight on Mt. Desert. > < > http://galleries.moosemystic.net/MooseFoto/index.php?gallery=NorthEast_2009/MtDesert/BassHarbor&image=_MG_7957corcria.jpg > > > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 16:08:24 2009 Received: (qmail 5707 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 15:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 15:08:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F88E182B5 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D84DE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:08:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA50119E938 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:08:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC73A19E748 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:08:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:08:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.80) for ; 03 Nov 2009 02:08:14 +1100 Message-ID: <100.b0710b00ddf5ee4a.005@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:08:13 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <4AEEE51D.9050604@verizon.net> References: <738E12E2-D6F5-4205-81DC-27D3BDBA6C65@threeshoes.net> <4AEEE51D.9050604@verizon.net> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.48.1429) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] The FL36 fix - Re: FL36 gone t*ts-up X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 16:08:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeef5e8135524877110844 If you dont mind opening it up, the easiest fix is to us a sharp blade to scrap the conductive rubber button on the rubber switch button. Personally, and your Kilometerage may vary on this, I wash the rubber mats in dish washing detergent, give them a scrub with the kitchen brush, let them dry (then scrap any that give problems) and put back in the equiment I removed the mat from. After that they seem to work fine for years until someone works the pizza grease into them. Cheers Ian Manners WINERR 004 - DELUXE ERROR. PLEASE SEND $75 TO UPGRADE YOUR ERROR -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 16:10:56 2009 Received: (qmail 6131 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 15:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 15:10:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44645E1822D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:10:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A9DE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C901919E93D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:09:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72C719E748 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:09:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:09:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so6498344bwz.30 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:09:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.156.28 with SMTP id u28mr4022846bkw.74.1257174542665; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:09:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEC9DBB.18526.104E88A@bj.caverock.net.nz> References: <4AEC9DBB.18526.104E88A@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:09:02 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0911020709v3b7ec739ld256edcd91d43fb2@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM) Re: ( OM) Coyotes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 16:10:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeef680298811342116753 How much older than you was she Brian? 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(VPS 091101-1, 01/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 16:12:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeef6d3126381234514069 Shame, it's only the red (salmon) stuff - sale of which was illegal in UK until fairly recently. But it's unlikely to meet CITES regulations anyway. Save your kopecks! Piers -----Original Message----- From: Jim Loudon [mailto:listadr@gmail.com] Sent: 02 November 2009 14:54 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... --snip Another interesting (to me) vending machine is this one from from Russia dispensing caviar: http://englishrussia.com/images/caviar_wending.jpg jim -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 16:20:09 2009 Received: (qmail 17416 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 15:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 15:20:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926A9E1824D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E035E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251FC34AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:20:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E297934AC028 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:20:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA2FK0n4005451 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:20:00 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.bf2.61316259 (41809) for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:19:58 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:19:58 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 16:20:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeef8a9168819752976205 I'm guess a guard rail that has been utilized a time or two. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 16:31:46 2009 Received: (qmail 24609 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 15:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 15:31:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EE4E18148 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0B7E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E0934AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:31:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E2E34AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:31:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.148]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so935200qwa.26 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:31:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.32 with SMTP id s32mr467806hbg.170.1257175897244; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:31:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:31:37 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 20234445d6348fdc Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 16:31:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeefb6289764877110844 > > The story being passed around seemed to be that the farmer planted > his non-patented/not round up resistant seeds and the bees and the wind > caused his field to be pollinated from with the patented seed plants in a > neighboring field and this cross pollination is what caused the problem. > Perhaps I misunderstood. I think it's a pretty safe bet that this particular farmer planned the whole thing. Anybody who has hung around a grain elevator for more than 30 seconds will know that there is a pretty good sized percentage of the farmers out there who are conniving, thieving and generally considered to be scumbags. The key to this whole thing is "paper trail". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that when a farmer buys his hybrid seed every year and suddenly he isn't buying any seed that there is something hokey going on. But when there is sufficient evidence that he is growing his own seed from non-patented seeds then he's got a satisfactory grounds to defend himself on. The fact is, when you buy hybrid seeds, you are actually under contract to NOT withhold seed for replanting. To do so is absolutely considered to be theft. The seed purchase contract is very clear on this issue. There is nothing holding anybody back from buying non-patented seeds and doing their own hybridization. In fact, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of farmers that have done this themselves and turned around and sold seed to other farmers. Seed prices generally scale with yield potential. The greater the yield potential, the higher the price for the seed. And it is an urban (rural?) myth that the Monsantos and Pioneers of the world are driving the small family farmer out of business. It's a whole lot of reasons--mostly mismanagement related. These are the ones that lose their lands. The current economic downturn is no excuse--people still eat and crop prices haven't tracked stock prices. Due to the extremely intense agri-industry here in Iowa, I admit that we are in a different situation than some parts of the world, but as of 2004, here is some interesting statistics: 74% of farmland is owned without debt. (this is up from 62% in 1982) In 2002, 24% of the farmland is owned by those older than 74 years old. In 2002, 48% of the farmland is owned by those older than 65 years old. In 2002, 59% of the farmland is under lease In 1982, 43% of the farmland was under lease Women own 47% of the farmland In 2002, 69% of the leased farmland was "cash-rent" This year's harvest is expected to be 2.5 BILLION bushals of corn in just Iowa alone. Over 90% of all surface area of Iowa is used for agriculture. If you are interested in seeing what the AVERAGE farmland value in Iowa is: http://www.recap.iastate.edu/atlas/farms/ag-land-values.php Another interesting chart is this one on farm operators: http://www.recap.iastate.edu/atlas/farms/number-of-operators.php As Iowa contains around a quarter of all the top-grade soil in the entire world, if the big multi-nationals were into land ownership, you'd see that here. But they don't. It isn't the multi-nationals owning all the land, it's the retirees as well as family corporations. Besides, just like the 1849 California Gold Rush, the only ones that made money weren't the miners, but the suppliers. Back in the early 1980's we had the farm credit crisis. During that time, there was a huge purging of the "family farms" that had been in the family for 100+ years. The consolidation of farmland has occured ever since the Children's Blizzard in 1888 and accellerated with mechanization. We've pretty much levelled off with mechanization, though, as it takes people to drive grain trucks from the fields to the bins. There are lots of accusations against the Monsantos and Pioneers, but rarely does anybody provide anything more than anecdotal evidence. What exactly is Monsanto? It is a business. Who owns Monsanto? 81% of Monsanto stock is owned by institutions and mutual fund. I don't know about you, but last time I checked my retirement funds, they included a pretty good chunk of Monsanto and other companies like it. Therefore, YOU and I own Monsanto. If these companies are evil, then WE are evil. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 16:56:42 2009 Received: (qmail 2667 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 15:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 15:56:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E61BE182D9 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:56:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA0BE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C590419EBA9 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:56:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329BF19EBA3 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:56:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so5147346ywh.22 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:56:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.104 with SMTP id s40mr604174hbs.76.1257177391585; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:56:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEE6AD1.1090900@gmail.com> References: <4AEDC509.2010701@interisland.net> <4AEE6241.3060800@spokeandsprocket.com> <4AEE6AD1.1090900@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:56:31 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d1e762677b8a6f1a Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Geocoding images [was A Few From Acadia National X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 16:56:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef013a250739752976205 Just last night I got to give my GPS a good workout. There is a forest and prairie reconstruction site not far from home which I go hike in occasionally. In fact, our Iowa Zuikofest met there on our last stop of the day. It's over 500 acres of undergrowth once you get away from the prairie portion... Well, I hit the trailhead about 10 minutes before sunset and walked, according to the GPS, about a mile. It was getting dark and I loath backtracking, but discovered some new bushwacked trails heading back in the general direction of the trailhead. Some of this was through dense undergrowth. Well, I took off down the new trail and promptly had no idea where I was, but hoped the trail would continue going west. It didn't. It curved a bit and ended up not where I expected it to come out. But, glancing at the GPS, I was able to figure out where I was and when I came to a fork in the trail, I was able to go the correct way. I KNEW I was supposed to go the other way, but the GPS indicated I needed to turn right. By now it is quite dark and I'm sloshing through streams and such, but after 10 more minutes I made it back to the trailhead. I was a little bit perturbed because they let the trail I was expecting to be there go wild and they carved new trails instead. I would have eventually figured it out, and could have just backtracked, but it would have been another hour and a couple twisted ankles as I would have needed to use my cellphone for a flashlight. Oh, I flushed a deer (acutally, many deer and a couple of wild turkeys that when they launched I almost had a undergarment disaster) that ran up to a ridge about 200 meters ahead of me. Too dark to see it running up the hill but when it reached the top it bounded up and over in such a way that it was completely sillouhetted against the sky in this perfect leaping pose. Way cool! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 17:07:17 2009 Received: (qmail 15530 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 16:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 16:07:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F07E18277 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:07:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A48E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:07:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5654734AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:07:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222D534AC028 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:07:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:07:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSH0019LORT2KZB@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:07:05 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AEF03AC.9040105@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:07:08 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 17:07:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef03b5240869730998309 The whole concept of genetically altered seed (or anything in our food supply of which there is a lot) is troubling all by itself. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/1/2009 10:06:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, > ken@zone-10.com writes: > > My next-door neighbor in my condo is a manager out at the big Monsanto > seed > foundation plant here. What do you want to know? > > > > > If the farmer has sown seed that were not the genetically altered/patented > seeds, how does he get in hot water with the patent holders of the altered > seeds? If the seeds taken from his land were in fact taken while someone > was trespassing, how could they be used in a court of law against him. In > the story real or is it unaltered BS. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 17:10:52 2009 Received: (qmail 15143 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 16:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 16:10:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6755DE18279 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9D8E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E262E34AC02A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:10:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE4234AC027 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:10:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSH006CMOXG935Z@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:10:29 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AEF0477.1090706@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:10:31 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] How do you say near mint? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 17:10:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef048c207567801554290 No telling what condition it is really in. Good prism? By now, just sitting around staying mint, maybe not. Really low serial number, not so good. At current price a good deal. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chris Crawford wrote: > Looks awesome but I bet it goes for a mint. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 17:18:51 2009 Received: (qmail 14627 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 16:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 16:18:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9959E18247 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F301FE240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76AD34AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:18:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1C534AC028 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:18:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f202.google.com (mail-qy0-f202.google.com [209.85.221.202]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk40 with SMTP id 40so2608063qyk.22 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:18:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.32 with SMTP id s32mr474022hbg.170.1257178723820; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:18:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEF03AC.9040105@verizon.net> References: <4AEF03AC.9040105@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:18:43 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c22053946513a60f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 17:18:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef066b527801554290 > > The whole concept of genetically altered seed (or anything in our food > supply of which there is a lot) is troubling all by itself. > Hey, we're just helping out that old "Natural Selection" thing. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 17:21:36 2009 Received: (qmail 29300 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 16:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 16:21:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD47E1824C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1762E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F5919ECA9 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:21:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D4919ECA1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:21:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so5193344yxe.22 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:21:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.142.147 with SMTP id g19mr528003hba.189.1257178889860; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:21:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEF0477.1090706@verizon.net> References: <4AEF0477.1090706@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:21:29 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8a85e8414fbca558 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] How do you say near mint? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 17:21:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef0710200051258626592 > > No telling what condition it is really in. Good prism? By now, just > sitting around staying mint, maybe not. Really low serial number, not > so good. At current price a good deal. > A total closet queen. I shudder to think of how many layers of fungus have built up on the glass. One thing about buying a beater--at least you know it DID work and must have been quite reliable. As much as I love the OM-2S, I don't think I'd ever risk buying a beauty-queen. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 17:24:00 2009 Received: (qmail 2392 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 16:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 16:23:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FFAE18056 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BDEE240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B58934AC02C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:23:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCE934AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:23:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f212.google.com (mail-gx0-f212.google.com [209.85.217.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so4338932gxk.8 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:23:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.32 with SMTP id s32mr474656hbg.170.1257179033516; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:23:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:23:53 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2805ab49ae1e3e25 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 17:24:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef07a0326961744846740 > > I'm guess a guard rail that has been utilized a time or two. Bill Barber > Agreed. A galvanized steel guardrail. Kinda needs "Moosification", though. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 17:27:57 2009 Received: (qmail 28904 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 16:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 16:27:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C1CE181CF for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C26BE240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB2919ECE2 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:27:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87AF19ECF0 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:27:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f212.google.com (mail-gx0-f212.google.com [209.85.217.212]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so4343396gxk.8 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:27:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.34 with SMTP id q34mr515453hba.124.1257179270349; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:27:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0911020602w1220500dh98ed1da62576e46d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f07ac840911020033gb7687d6qbd9f23dd53a70167@mail.gmail.com> <4AEE9ECB.5040300@picturepedia.org> <9e908c1f0911020602w1220500dh98ed1da62576e46d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:27:50 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 882f920071a0193b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 17:27:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef088d311435034211378 > > "Daft" is pretty close if you'd seen my team's win on Sat. > Joel (Go Hawks) W. > At least your team won. I'm still in dark-cloud mood after my team lost (and lost). AG (Go Michigan!) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 17:40:46 2009 Received: (qmail 25395 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 16:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 16:40:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845FAE182A5 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:40:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABACE240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C7819EDC6 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:40:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66D519EDA7 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:40:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:40:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4824 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2009 16:40:38 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 16:40:38 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEF0B85.70409@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:40:37 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200911020327.nA23RHpM012393@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4AEEBF2D.9040505@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-1, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Chuck's cataract, was: Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 17:40:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef0b8d167221950411718 Well, not quite yet. I'm back but the left eye doesn't see much of anything yet. It's greatly dilated so sees nothing sharply... it's as though looking through a mist heavier than the original cataract. However, I have already had an amazing revelation. Things seen through the left eye, while not yet clear, have an amazing blue definition of whiteness. Compared to the right eye (which I didn't think was very bad) the left eye sees blue white while the right gives everything a bit of yellow cast. It's clear that I have not seen true white in a long time. The haze in the left eye should clear in a day or two. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Left eye cataract goes away this morning. > > > Oh! I see. > > AG (but I doubt you'll look any better) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 17:42:00 2009 Received: (qmail 24343 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 16:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 16:41:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BD2E182B4 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:41:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84305E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:40:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A3419EDA7 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:40:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB7B19EDC6 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:40:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f212.google.com (mail-gx0-f212.google.com [209.85.217.212]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:40:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so4357252gxk.8 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:40:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.170.34 with SMTP id q34mr526926hbe.3.1257180042322; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:40:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AED962D.7020206@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4AEE3418.19723.3BFE08@bj.caverock.net.nz> <936E0B3F-7C7B-4AB8-8A18-EE4B41853648@threeshoes.net> <4AED962D.7020206@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:40:42 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2b4ca085ffb368fa Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 17:42:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef0bd8303951073733319 > > I once asked Johathan Sachs (author of Picture Window) what he thought > about step-wise resizing. He said that if step-wise resizing did a > better job than doing it all in one go the author of the resizing > algorithm in use didn't understand how to properly implement the algorithm. > All due respect to Mr. Sachs, but this isn't entirely true. There are times when a 2-3 step resizing is desirable. But to do so, you need to use very odd percentages, making sure that you don't repeat any multiple of previously use stepsize. This helps break up the sawtooth edges. Oh, when downsizing, do not sharpen first. Otherwise you'll end up with aliasing artifacts. In fact, when downsizing something that has repeating patterns and you get nasties, apply a gaussian blur to the image equal to the ratio of pixel reduction. For example, if downsizing by 50%, then blur 2-pixels. Downsizing to 25% of original? 3-pixel blur is required. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 17:44:19 2009 Received: (qmail 21870 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 16:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 16:44:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5B8E181AE for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:44:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34494E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2337219EE08 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:43:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9277E19EDFC for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:43:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f212.google.com (mail-gx0-f212.google.com [209.85.217.212]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so4360830gxk.8 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:43:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.207 with SMTP id u15mr531298hbu.95.1257180236150; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:43:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <11165865.15741257154908773.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <9f07ac840911020033gb7687d6qbd9f23dd53a70167@mail.gmail.com> <4AEE9ECB.5040300@picturepedia.org> <11165865.15741257154908773.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:43:55 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f68d6390eacf7ace Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] WTF?! [Was:] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 17:44:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef0c63105781950411718 > > I particularly enjoyed the underwater extreme ironing: > http://www.360cities.net/image/extreme-ironing-underwater Unfortunately, I think Joel could have done underwater ironing in his house last year. BTW, he did a beautiful job restoring the house! AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 17:48:43 2009 Received: (qmail 16098 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 16:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 16:48:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B80E182B4 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423F3E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:48:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C0A19EE1F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:48:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBFA419EE26 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:48:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f202.google.com (mail-qy0-f202.google.com [209.85.221.202]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk40 with SMTP id 40so2623694qyk.22 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:48:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.170.34 with SMTP id q34mr528180hbe.3.1257180515293; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:48:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AED51C5.1000203@gmail.com> References: <0B960D80-810C-43F6-907F-D74117170DC7@roadrunner.com> <4AE8884A.7000202@verizon.net> <28D7A5F1-DE3E-4C86-80C2-400A478D57F8@roadrunner.com> <4AED4C52.9030101@gmail.com> <4AED51C5.1000203@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:48:35 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f7d8581598a1830f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Sunset, Bass Harbor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 17:48:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef0d6b283032439112457 Very nice, Moose. This photo shows the one flaw of digital imaging, though. The sun turned into a solarized blob-o-light. Not your fault--unfortunately there isn't much we can do about it. (other than shoot film) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 17:52:49 2009 Received: (qmail 19478 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 16:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 16:52:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA8CE181B1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7713AE240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F1A34AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:52:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97EC34AC028 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:52:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so5228521yxe.22 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:52:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.89 with SMTP id c25mr489448hbg.156.1257180762594; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:52:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4AED5FE5.7020104@chucknorcutt.com> <3859434.15491257075465878.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <9e908c1f0911010849y30d08f51n7149801249ac6503@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:52:42 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a72acda461cc32f3 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Death of the DSLR Camera - Gearlog X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 17:52:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef0e61211961076813867 The history lesson in the article shows that this is dead on. Back in the '70s and '80s, everybody and their dog bought SLRs, even though most owners couldn't figure out how to turn them on or load a roll of film--much less actually use them. It didn't help that the average buyer saved $50 by buying a coke-bottle zoom lens from Outer-Bunga Bunga. The m43 concept (and variants) won't address the needs of Joe Sixpack until it has no interchangeable lenses and is totally "Stupid-Proof". AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 17:59:47 2009 Received: (qmail 10906 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 16:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 16:59:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FEA7E182B7 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:59:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADC0E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFFD19EEF0 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:59:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BB519EF0B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:59:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:59:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21718 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2009 16:59:38 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091101-1, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 17:59:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef1003198611560218263 Mr. Sachs was so adamant on this point that I don't think he'd agree with your exceptions. But you have the power to prove him wrong. Can you demonstrate your point using Picture Window Pro... his own product? Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> I once asked Johathan Sachs (author of Picture Window) what he thought >> about step-wise resizing. He said that if step-wise resizing did a >> better job than doing it all in one go the author of the resizing >> algorithm in use didn't understand how to properly implement the algorithm. >> > > > All due respect to Mr. Sachs, but this isn't entirely true. There are times > when a 2-3 step resizing is desirable. But to do so, you need to use very > odd percentages, making sure that you don't repeat any multiple of > previously use stepsize. This helps break up the sawtooth edges. > > Oh, when downsizing, do not sharpen first. Otherwise you'll end up with > aliasing artifacts. In fact, when downsizing something that has repeating > patterns and you get nasties, apply a gaussian blur to the image equal to > the ratio of pixel reduction. For example, if downsizing by 50%, then blur > 2-pixels. Downsizing to 25% of original? 3-pixel blur is required. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 18:08:47 2009 Received: (qmail 23343 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 17:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 17:08:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77812E1819F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D963DE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E9834AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:08:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25D834AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:08:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so5228576ywh.22 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:08:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.207 with SMTP id u15mr535161hbu.95.1257181719524; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:08:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AED62AD.3050502@chucknorcutt.com> References: <481904.89323.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4AECE517.7020602@chucknorcutt.com> <7EA7422C-00E0-4BA7-8F40-CE1186C3E9EA@people.net.au> <4AED62AD.3050502@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:08:39 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3c41d3bd15a2184d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Video with primes on Canyon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 18:08:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef121f173456789618724 > > I hadn't thought about the frame rate for an FP shutter and will agree > that you must be correct. So, what is the shutter? An on-chip > electronic unit ala Mynolta A1 and other P&S cameras? What does that > imply for future flash sync speeds in live-view mode? > The Minolta A1 does have a mechanical lens-shutter which I believe is dual-function with the aperture. It is open for "live-view". But when taking a picture it does the following: 1. Close shutter 2. Purge sensor 3. Stop down the aperture limiter 4. Open shutter 5. Expose sensor 6. Close shutter 7. Dump sensor data down the rails 8. Open shutter 9. Reset aperture limiter 10. Reestablish live-view. As it is a lens-shutter camera, there is nearly no vibration or movement involved and flash-sync speed is high with around 1/500 being reliably usable. When using auto-flash with pre-fire, there are a few more steps involved. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 18:14:34 2009 Received: (qmail 17290 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 17:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 17:14:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1DEE181CC for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12B4E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B5C19EFFF for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:14:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F2C19EC0B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:14:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:14:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so6633023bwz.30 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:14:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.33.7 with SMTP id f7mr4159097bkd.123.1257182065980; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:14:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEF0B85.70409@chucknorcutt.com> References: <200911020327.nA23RHpM012393@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4AEEBF2D.9040505@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEF0B85.70409@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:14:25 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0911020914n423dd4e2u4f8cc32f18a16405@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Chuck's cataract, was: Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 18:14:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef137a41321136683642 Glad to hear you've got your white balance fixed Chuck. Charlie On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Chuck Norcutt < chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com> wrote: > Well, not quite yet. I'm back but the left eye doesn't see much of > anything yet. It's greatly dilated so sees nothing sharply... it's as > though looking through a mist heavier than the original cataract. > However, I have already had an amazing revelation. Things seen through > the left eye, while not yet clear, have an amazing blue definition of > whiteness. Compared to the right eye (which I didn't think was very > bad) the left eye sees blue white while the right gives everything a bit > of yellow cast. It's clear that I have not seen true white in a long > time. The haze in the left eye should clear in a day or two. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Ken Norton wrote: > >> Left eye cataract goes away this morning. > > > > > > Oh! I see. > > > > AG (but I doubt you'll look any better) Schnozz > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 18:19:19 2009 Received: (qmail 28933 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 17:19:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 17:19:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224A9E182B9 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C565BE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98B83610002 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:19:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECE33610001 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:19:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9659E3140D4 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B11C3140D2 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:44:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4AEF1494.90306@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:19:16 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-1, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] Geocoding images X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 18:19:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef1497296981357919056 > > I don't use the info in the backcountry. I record the GPS data and then > upload the file to the computer when I am at home. The info is then > matched to the photos. This is one of the reasons I am interested in a > smaller device than the Garmin. I've been trying out the Magellan Triton 500 which I picked up at Costco. It is very small, almost too small as the buttons are difficult with gloves. It will take standard topo's from Nat'l G rather than the very expensive proprietary maps necessary from Garmin. I now have topo's of most of the PacNW on SD cards. Considering the cost of unit + mapping software it is hundreds of $$ cheaper than the Garmin. And it is smaller than units without mapping capability. > Navigation in the wilderness is to critical to be trusted to any > electronic device. Thommens Altimeter and a Suunto compass for me! > Ditto except for a Gischard altimeter. :-) A gps is nice to have though especially for the ability to back track in poor visibility. I also find it useful in navigating the maze of dirt tracks in the Eastside desert which is lacking identifiable (by me) landmarks. > Interesting, but limited. Unlike off road GPSs and trackers like the > I-gotU, it looks to be only a GPS receiver, of no use whatsoever unless > attached to a laptop. The I-gotU may be used in that dumb mode, too. > Yes, receiver only. Lacking the memory for tracking. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 18:24:05 2009 Received: (qmail 2007 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 17:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 17:24:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BDCE18307 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28AEE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E694A34AC028 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:23:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18A434AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:23:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA2HNtnM024895 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:23:55 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.ce3.5b678a36 (32913) for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:23:53 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:23:53 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 18:24:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef15b573201744846740 In a message dated 11/2/2009 10:07:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, omtech1@verizon.net writes: The whole concept of genetically altered seed (or anything in our food supply of which there is a lot) is troubling all by itself. ___________________________________ Amen, as is a small family farmer who plays by the rules having to give up farming. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 18:26:51 2009 Received: (qmail 2648 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 17:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 17:26:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3355BE18255 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A824E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8CE34AC027 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:26:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C611434AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:26:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:26:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so5266628yxe.22 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:26:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.32 with SMTP id s32mr483103hbg.170.1257182805570; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:26:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEF0FF9.3000905@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4AEE3418.19723.3BFE08@bj.caverock.net.nz> <936E0B3F-7C7B-4AB8-8A18-EE4B41853648@threeshoes.net> <4AED962D.7020206@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEF0FF9.3000905@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:26:45 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 96ad09aa82e7dd64 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 18:26:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef165b214511612113968 > > Mr. Sachs was so adamant on this point that I don't think he'd agree > with your exceptions. But you have the power to prove him wrong. Can > you demonstrate your point using Picture Window Pro... his own product? > Absolutely! If I need to upsize an image (which is a normal requirement with 5MP E-1 and A1 files), and the image contains straight lines in it, you absolutely will get the saw-tooth pattern high-contrast edges within the image. To break those edges up, you need to use multiple steps. But if you do the 10% resizing, things just look mushy and nasty. The resulting image will lack the definition a single-step resizing has. So, to reduce the pattern, here is my recommendation. 1. Resize by some odd percentage like 113%. 2. Resize by another odd percentage like 134% 3. Resize by another oddball like 121% I used Fibonacci numbers in this example which yielded an almost doubling in size in three steps. By doing this, the saw-tooth artifacts are nearly eliminated or at least reduced enough to be a non-issue most of the time. I've also experimented with image rotation (full image--no cropping) during the steps. For example: 1. Rotate image 13 degrees CCW (anti-clockwise) 2. Resize by 113% 3. Rotate image 34 degrees CCW 4. Resize by 134% 5. Rotate image 21 degrees CCW 6. Resize by 121% 7. Rotate image 68 degrees CW 8. Trim off the white edge to your original image area. This has given simply outstanding results. Horribly time-consuming in Photoshop, but much faster in PWP 5.0. Resizing is pretty much a lost art now because of higher pixel-count sensors. Only us dinosaurs with E-1s have to go through these things. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 18:32:43 2009 Received: (qmail 27063 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 17:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 17:32:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD637E181BA for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:32:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC58FE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:32:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54A019F12E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:32:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8D019F019 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:32:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:32:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA2HWU6J000397 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:32:31 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.ce1.5879765a (32913) for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:32:28 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:32:28 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 18:32:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef17bb78581950411718 In a message dated 11/2/2009 9:32:00 A.M. Central Standard Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: There are lots of accusations against the Monsantos and Pioneers, but rarely does anybody provide anything more than anecdotal evidence. Figured that was probably the bottom line from the beginning. There is an economy of scale that works for the big farms. Your statistics would indicate there is a great need for good life insurance agents in Iowa. 9 months after the death the feds want their pound of flesh. If the funds aren't there, the farm needs to get sold. A form of redistribution of wealth. If folks want to keep it in the family, they need to have life insurance or a bunch of cash. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 18:35:18 2009 Received: (qmail 19664 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 17:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 17:35:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A47E18279 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD4BE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B2634AC02B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:35:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DC434AC029 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:35:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA2HZAWH022509 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:35:10 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.d0e.596a720a (32913) for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:35:06 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:35:05 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] How do you say near mint? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 18:35:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef1856134131258626592 In a message dated 11/2/2009 10:21:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: As much as I love the OM-2S, I don't think I'd ever risk buying a beauty-queen. Only if it was a redistribution of wealth. <{B^) Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 18:56:01 2009 Received: (qmail 4869 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 17:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 17:56:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E91CE182A9 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D69BE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D6C19F449 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:55:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E903119F45B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:55:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:55:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so5296246yxe.22 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:55:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.163.222 with SMTP id q30mr511851hbd.128.1257184554318; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:55:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:55:54 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6fb968802b44e877 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 18:56:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef1d31187501234514069 > > Your statistics would indicate there is a great need for good life > insurance agents in Iowa. 9 months after the death the feds want their > pound of > flesh. If the funds aren't there, the farm needs to get sold. A form of > redistribution of wealth. If folks want to keep it in the family, they > need > to have life insurance or a bunch of cash. > We're actually going through that right now. My in-laws are in their eighties and just now trying to figure out what to do. (not the brightest financial minds). One primary solution is to incorporate the farm and put the family members on the board of directors. Essentially, the key is to keep the farmland and live on the cash rent. As long as we never sell the land there is no inheritance taxes to worry about. Only the foolish and desperate give their farms to the government. Rent works out to about $1.10 USD per bushel of corn right now. $4.00 USD per bushel of beans. The more fertile the land, the more you can charge. Sharecropping is another way to go and it usually results in higher income for the landlord. You split the costs and split the revenues. Unlike renting, though, there is risk involved if you have a bad year. Landlords may also setup storage bins on their land, buying the crops at harvest prices, dry and store it for a few months and then sell it throughout the year when prices go high. As long as you can clear $0.40 per bushel per month you make money. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 18:58:41 2009 Received: (qmail 17539 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 17:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 17:58:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C146DE182AE for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7C5E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B1519F489 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:58:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FE819F486 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:58:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so5281379ywh.22 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:58:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.170.34 with SMTP id q34mr538146hbe.3.1257184710959; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:58:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:58:30 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0004d91c79bfba22 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] How do you say near mint? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 18:58:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef1dd1194811342116753 > > Only if it was a redistribution of wealth. <{B^) Bill Barber > Let me restate that. "With rare exception..." AG (snake skin) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 19:12:35 2009 Received: (qmail 3133 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 18:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 18:12:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AECE182AE for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8F8E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:12:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8303610002 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:12:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A40A3610005 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:12:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0104.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:12:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0220.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0104.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBE3498DA3 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:12:29 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0220 Received: by dm0220.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d15b36b2) id dm0220.4aedf958.1982 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:08:52 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMTtrlK7yA0cRSRUQIAAAAB,bfbb8c1e22412229037f5bbf9490800d X-Vipre-Scanned: 005FBA7A00156A005FBBC7-TDI Message-ID: <4AEF210C.2020900@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:12:28 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911020033gb7687d6qbd9f23dd53a70167@mail.gmail.com> <4AEE9ECB.5040300@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: <4AEE9ECB.5040300@picturepedia.org> Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 19:12:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef2113186332013633067 My eldest daughter is a big fan, one of her Christmas gifts every year is a calendar. Jim Couch SwissPace wrote: > Not a fetish but have you seen > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_ironing > > IanW > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 19:16:34 2009 Received: (qmail 11366 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 18:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 18:16:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029EFE18236 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E18E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:16:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364BF3610007 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:16:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7183610003 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:16:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0111.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:16:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0220.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0111.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82BB750F31 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:16:29 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0220 Received: by dm0220.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d15b36b2) id dm0220.4aedf958.18c3 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:12:53 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMTtrlK7yElSkvJmwIAAAAB,4143ad6099125df6e7ee6c71114cffc5 X-Vipre-Scanned: 006366DE00156A0063682B-TDI Message-ID: <4AEF21FD.4040107@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:16:29 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 19:16:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef220271761006886880 A Seattle shop has converted a vending machine to sell tubes, patch kits, ect: http://www.rideyourbike.com/vendingmachine.html Jim Couch -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 19:24:39 2009 Received: (qmail 17559 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 18:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 18:24:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230F2E181B9 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E646FE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:24:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D16B19F66D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:24:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F8319F681 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:24:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:24:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B5AC9604 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:56:20 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <100.b0710b00ddf5ee4a.005@comkal.net> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:24:30 +0000 Message-Id: <8B7665E5-7EB9-4E5D-8E8E-196D3AD53480@threeshoes.net> References: <738E12E2-D6F5-4205-81DC-27D3BDBA6C65@threeshoes.net> <4AEEE51D.9050604@verizon.net> <100.b0710b00ddf5ee4a.005@comkal.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] The FL36 fix - Re: FL36 gone t*ts-up X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 19:24:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef23e7298825368819438 Thanks, Ian and John H, but I've decided to send it to Olympus UK in Southend. I opened the thing up and couldn't see how to get it back together again ... Chris On 2 Nov 2009, at 15:08, Ian Manners wrote: > If you dont mind opening it up, the easiest fix is to us a > sharp blade to scrap the conductive rubber button on > the rubber switch button. > > Personally, and your Kilometerage may vary on this, > I wash the rubber mats in dish washing detergent, give > them a scrub with the kitchen brush, let them dry (then > scrap any that give problems) and put back in the > equiment I removed the mat from. After that they seem > to work fine for years until someone works the pizza > grease into them. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 19:26:04 2009 Received: (qmail 31354 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 18:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 18:26:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681ABE182B0 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C62FE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403FF3610002 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:25:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C6B3610006 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E1CC96CC for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:57:47 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:25:57 +0000 Message-Id: <7FDBBC04-3530-46A0-B496-87BECCD99033@threeshoes.net> References: <4AEDC509.2010701@interisland.net> <4AEE6241.3060800@spokeandsprocket.com> <4AEE6AD1.1090900@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] Geocoding images [was A Few From Acadia National X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 19:26:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef243c302201076813867 I'm glad that you flushed no wolves, coyotes or bear ... Chris On 2 Nov 2009, at 15:56, Ken Norton wrote: > Oh, I flushed a deer (acutally, many deer and a couple of wild > turkeys that > when they launched I almost had a undergarment disaster) that ran up > to a > ridge about 200 meters ahead of me. Too dark to see it running up > the hill > but when it reached the top it bounded up and over in such a way > that it was > completely sillouhetted against the sky in this perfect leaping > pose. Way > cool! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 19:27:12 2009 Received: (qmail 7758 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 18:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 18:27:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21411E182A1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DE3E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C0119F6C0 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:26:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9300719F698 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp09.register.it [81.88.48.59]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5140 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2009 18:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.46?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@87.52.186.238) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 18:25:55 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Leica Users Group , LEG , Olympus Camera Discussion Message-Id: From: Nathan Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:25:51 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/11/2009: a friendship rekindled X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 19:27:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef2480195411560218263 This picture was taken at 4 in the morning on 1 November. The two people depicted were friends back when we were teenagers 30 years ago. The guy on the right was in my class in high school. He is now an environmental scientist and a talented jazz musician. The guy on the left is blind (from birth). His hearing is phenomenal. When we were young, he would play goalie in soccer and hear the ball come towards him in the air. Later he became one of the most sought-after piano tuners in Denmark. Unfortunately, still later, his life has become marked by addiction and other problems, and he now sometimes spends the night at a shelter for homeless people in which another mutual friend is a volunteer. So on Saturday night (or rather, Sunday morning), on the way home from our high school reunion, we stopped by the shelter to allow the two former friends to be reunited: http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#701004151_FUZid Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 19:30:52 2009 Received: (qmail 32051 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 18:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 18:30:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB547E1829D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB893E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9797319F743 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:30:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DFC19F70A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:30:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2902 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2009 18:30:44 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 19:30:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef255c106481744846740 Fortunately, PS sees white even if I don't. Chuck Norcutt Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Glad to hear you've got your white balance fixed Chuck. > > Charlie > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Chuck Norcutt < > chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com> wrote: > >> Well, not quite yet. I'm back but the left eye doesn't see much of >> anything yet. It's greatly dilated so sees nothing sharply... it's as >> though looking through a mist heavier than the original cataract. >> However, I have already had an amazing revelation. Things seen through >> the left eye, while not yet clear, have an amazing blue definition of >> whiteness. Compared to the right eye (which I didn't think was very >> bad) the left eye sees blue white while the right gives everything a bit >> of yellow cast. It's clear that I have not seen true white in a long >> time. The haze in the left eye should clear in a day or two. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Ken Norton wrote: >>>> Left eye cataract goes away this morning. >>> >>> Oh! I see. >>> >>> AG (but I doubt you'll look any better) Schnozz >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 19:34:17 2009 Received: (qmail 16097 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 18:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 18:34:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77F7E182B7 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32142E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC5719F798 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:34:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A46119F76F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:34:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:34:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6125 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2009 18:34:10 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091101-1, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 19:34:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef2629112741879814018 Thanks. I'll keep your recipe. I've not had to do this sort of thing ever but maybe the day will arrive. I'm also not much up to experimentation today as I have an eye patch over one eye. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Mr. Sachs was so adamant on this point that I don't think he'd agree >> with your exceptions. But you have the power to prove him wrong. Can >> you demonstrate your point using Picture Window Pro... his own product? >> > > Absolutely! > > If I need to upsize an image (which is a normal requirement with 5MP E-1 and > A1 files), and the image contains straight lines in it, you absolutely will > get the saw-tooth pattern high-contrast edges within the image. > > To break those edges up, you need to use multiple steps. But if you do the > 10% resizing, things just look mushy and nasty. The resulting image will > lack the definition a single-step resizing has. So, to reduce the pattern, > here is my recommendation. > > 1. Resize by some odd percentage like 113%. > 2. Resize by another odd percentage like 134% > 3. Resize by another oddball like 121% > > I used Fibonacci numbers in this example which yielded an almost doubling in > size in three steps. By doing this, the saw-tooth artifacts are nearly > eliminated or at least reduced enough to be a non-issue most of the time. > > I've also experimented with image rotation (full image--no cropping) during > the steps. For example: > 1. Rotate image 13 degrees CCW (anti-clockwise) > 2. Resize by 113% > 3. Rotate image 34 degrees CCW > 4. Resize by 134% > 5. Rotate image 21 degrees CCW > 6. Resize by 121% > 7. Rotate image 68 degrees CW > 8. Trim off the white edge to your original image area. > > This has given simply outstanding results. Horribly time-consuming in > Photoshop, but much faster in PWP 5.0. > > Resizing is pretty much a lost art now because of higher pixel-count > sensors. Only us dinosaurs with E-1s have to go through these things. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 19:45:43 2009 Received: (qmail 17245 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 18:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 18:45:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF32AE182B9 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D418E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:45:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672453610007 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:45:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9ECF3610004 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:45:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:45:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16148 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2009 18:45:35 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091101-1, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/11/2009: a friendship rekindled X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 19:45:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef28d7218942517112723 Quite a story. Thanks for sharing. Chuck Norcutt Nathan wrote: > This picture was taken at 4 in the morning on 1 November. The two > people depicted were friends back when we were teenagers 30 years > ago. The guy on the right was in my class in high school. He is now > an environmental scientist and a talented jazz musician. The guy on > the left is blind (from birth). His hearing is phenomenal. When we > were young, he would play goalie in soccer and hear the ball come > towards him in the air. Later he became one of the most sought-after > piano tuners in Denmark. Unfortunately, still later, his life has > become marked by addiction and other problems, and he now sometimes > spends the night at a shelter for homeless people in which another > mutual friend is a volunteer. So on Saturday night (or rather, Sunday > morning), on the way home from our high school reunion, we stopped by > the shelter to allow the two former friends to be reunited: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#701004151_FUZid > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 19:58:05 2009 Received: (qmail 13142 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 18:58:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 18:58:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEB4E182B4 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE57E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:58:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795BB3610003 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:58:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7D43610002 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:57:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so656799gvf.21 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:57:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.102.165.24 with SMTP id n24mr2308349mue.47.1257188276532; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:57:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55611D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55611D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:57:56 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911021057h44c50759yee8a3c79efbbce50@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 19:58:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef2bbd120121076813867 Yes, absolutely. Shutter will remain open if flash output was not enough. OTOH, the OM 2n will close at 1/60, regardless the accuracy of the exposure. See: "The OM-2 however will keep the shutter open when the flash does not give enough output, using available light OTF as an addition to the light produced by the flash. Some people think this is an advantage, but it is not without reason Olympus changed this in the OM-2n: the electromagnetic shutter will quickly drain the battery when it stays open for extended periods." "Accessory Shoe 3 can also only be used with the OM-2 (it will not fit the OM-1, OM-1n or OM-2n). With a T Flash, TTL "OTF" flash can be achieved. With the Quick Auto 310 Flash, TTL "OTF" flash is not possible." HTH, Fernando 2009/11/2 Sawyer, Edward : > > Can an OM-2 with shoe-3 do OTF TTL? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 20:27:19 2009 Received: (qmail 7441 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 19:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 19:27:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F845E181CC for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC01E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:27:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C372419F903 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:27:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDC919F915 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:27:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so6775526bwz.30 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:27:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.125.17 with SMTP id c17mr2374130mun.16.1257190031596; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:27:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEF0B85.70409@chucknorcutt.com> References: <200911020327.nA23RHpM012393@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4AEEBF2D.9040505@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEF0B85.70409@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:27:11 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911021127g5955ffbm67d4feb38fe98ab6@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Chuck's cataract, was: Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 20:27:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef3297164791234514069 Yes, wait for some days to pass. Now you've had another revelation: doctors in medicine do their best related to optimism. Sort of an absolutely necessary 'negation / re-negation', to put this into very technical words. AFAIK, prognosis is good - and much better if anything was done as Mike said some weeks ago. I very much respect your coping ability - you're almost enjoying your findings / revelations :-) Best wishes, Fernando. 2009/11/2 Chuck Norcutt : > The haze in the left eye should clear in a day or two. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 20:46:12 2009 Received: (qmail 243 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 19:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 19:46:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31C2E1829D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:46:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F06E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11293610014 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:46:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F50F361002D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:45:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:45:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9024 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2009 19:45:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.197.85) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 19:45:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEF36CB.2000608@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:45:15 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55611D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> <6f8422750911021057h44c50759yee8a3c79efbbce50@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6f8422750911021057h44c50759yee8a3c79efbbce50@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 20:46:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef3704122127801554290 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Yes, absolutely. > Shutter will remain open if flash output was not enough. > OTOH, the OM 2n will close at 1/60, regardless the accuracy of the exposure. > One may achieve the same result with OM-2n/shoe 4, OM-2S, OM-4 series and OMPC simply by covering the third contact with a bit of tape. When I listed TTL flash contact in my reasons to prefer the OM-4 series, I was actually referring to the TTL cord connector on the front of the body. Oly made adapters to replace the shoe on either 2 or 2n with such a connector, but one cannot use both shoe mounted flash and remote flash in TTL-OTF mode at once**. As main and fill light, for example. I suspect it doesn't matter for the 20mm macros, but might for other set-ups one might later want. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 20:51:25 2009 Received: (qmail 18235 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 19:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 19:51:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE21E181AE for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84BAAE240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:51:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6062B3618001 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:51:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A833618009 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:51:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19819 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2009 19:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.197.85) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 19:51:19 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEF3834.90907@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:51:16 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <738E12E2-D6F5-4205-81DC-27D3BDBA6C65@threeshoes.net> <2E0BB551-DA40-4B07-953E-24BFB0461263@threeshoes.net> <4AEB5138.1000003@gmail.com> <4AEEEA78.9020209@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4AEEEA78.9020209@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [OM] FL36 gone t*ts-up X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 20:51:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef383d111121006886880 John Hermanson wrote: > I get the impression that the FL-36 on-off switch is similar to the spot button on the OM-4. On the inside, a pad presses against patterns on a circuit board. > In any case, your experience of having trouble only after sitting for an extended period and that pressing long and hard revives it supports the thesis that the problem is light oxidation on the contacts. A light coating of conductive gel on the contacts might fix it. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 21:17:01 2009 Received: (qmail 2398 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 20:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 20:17:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E72FE1819D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:17:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8BFE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC27719FB94 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:16:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5A719FBC6 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:16:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091102201656.XZK6358.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:16:56 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 0LGv1d0054Z9Gks02LGv9z; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:16:55 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kDH3Sr5yFJ8A:10 a=YQcAjmsBrJ-XXBubYE8A:9 a=Kfuqlup5T9Kk7Xz0Xa0K3gRlMVsA:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AEF03AC.9040105@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:16:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 21:17:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef3e3d62221220213263 > The whole concept of genetically altered seed (or anything in our food > supply of which there is a lot) is troubling all by itself. > ___________________________________ Shouldn't be, as we have been eating the results of older tech genetic modification all our lives. The modern version is a high tech way of speeding the process. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 21:21:41 2009 Received: (qmail 13907 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 20:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 20:21:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325BDE18148 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC84EE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3183610002 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:21:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C533610001 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:21:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com (mail-ew0-f207.google.com [209.85.219.207]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so1262621ewy.37 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:21:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.70 with SMTP id d48mr5378374wef.159.1257193294490; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:21:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9f07ac840911020033gb7687d6qbd9f23dd53a70167@mail.gmail.com> <4AEE9ECB.5040300@picturepedia.org> <11165865.15741257154908773.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:21:34 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911021221x1c82828x8cc1dce3edd102dd@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] WTF?! [Was:] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 21:21:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef3f5511087801554290 On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> I particularly enjoyed the underwater extreme ironing: >> http://www.360cities.net/image/extreme-ironing-underwater > > > > Unfortunately, I think Joel could have done underwater ironing in his hou= se > last year. =A0BTW, he did a beautiful job restoring the house! > > AG Not me. I'm 100% wrinkle-free. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 21:36:21 2009 Received: (qmail 2255 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 20:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 20:36:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5734E182B5 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC103E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09763610001 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:36:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27B33618001 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:36:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.92]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6891 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2009 20:36:11 -0000 Message-ID: <412003.4375.qm@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: f46y03gVM1m4DeBcFD3w9YBqPrQ03MtKYJ3m.J3N_YnpoBsllbm.npnZZeOTg_VOlGmfki34xVWV293trMYY9TROHGMg7nT9.5aQYi8slGCg9sHJs6Ot9TetvfrDT3OEZ7x25qtzQP5Stk9M65OzpUgfjPnYXX7sXtIwKWelrM9QnIpw76r9yp63vaDx3hlHAw8OzarK0AOgouPLrv2SkOGNKee0cdnetfhfvZftwXsrKxnmADsB36E75bQp8zZR373eLY7eZTwaqTN91V3vueIblgh5dUqg_vwEpmLyX4FHyjz2hL3hQwaB2nWSXT5cjq9Nu2oeb64HjkIPbDEGa950TW162WT9r6bHFEg2BovgB.XK5e0h0H4Zg40nvGpFkA-- Received: from [86.163.212.162] by web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:36:11 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.0.7 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:36:11 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 21:36:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef42c5108572013633067 Hmmm, High tech genetic modification gives me Great cause for concern...once the genie is out of the bottle...... Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ......................................................................... > Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers > > The whole concept of genetically > altered seed (or anything in our food > > supply of which there is a lot) is troubling all by > itself. > > ___________________________________ > Shouldn't be, as we have been eating the results of older > tech genetic > modification all our lives. The modern version is a high > tech way of > speeding the process. > > Bill Pearce > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 21:47:32 2009 Received: (qmail 17352 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 20:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 20:47:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C446E181B2 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:47:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C283E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:47:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA773610005 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:47:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FEB3610004 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:47:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so6860185bwz.30 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:47:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.175.83 with SMTP id w19mr4426185bkz.24.1257194844593; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:47:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4AEF03AC.9040105@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:47:24 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0911021247p309f0404rddb8f74153cbe696@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 21:47:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef4564220353900897491 In fairness to John, I think we've been talking of two different things. Humans have been hybridizing plants since we stopped chasing animals and started scratching at the dirt with a stick in an attempt to feed ourselves. And its a good thing otherwise we'd still be eating ears of corn the size of those that Tom Hanks tried to eat in "Big". I certainly don't object to eating foods that have been created by hybridizing plants or animals that have desirable traits. I would prefer that they be made more tasty but certainly understand the need for more production. What I am not interested in consuming is a food item that has had genes from who-knows-where-or-what inserted into their genome for who-knows-what reason: resistance to the latest herbicide so they can use buckets of the stuff; the ability for a plant to produce its own pesticide; a gene to make the plant glow in the dark so they can harvest at night. I'm being facetious of course, but you get the point. Now I'm sure all this new food has been tested out the wazoo with no ill effects, but then so were any number of medications that had to be withdrawn from the market for unexpected side effects years after there introduction. Charlie (stepping off the soap box) On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > > The whole concept of genetically altered seed (or anything in our food > > supply of which there is a lot) is troubling all by itself. > > ___________________________________ > Shouldn't be, as we have been eating the results of older tech genetic > modification all our lives. The modern version is a high tech way of > speeding the process. > > Bill Pearce > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 21:55:10 2009 Received: (qmail 1480 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 20:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 20:55:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCEBE18064 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D91E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:55:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B343610003 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:55:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52EA83610008 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:55:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:55:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32381 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2009 20:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 20:49:29 -0000 Message-Id: <0DBC7A5A-2F20-432C-81BD-63066808E11D@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <20091102143536.7DHNS.541096.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:55:00 +1100 References: <20091102143536.7DHNS.541096.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 21:55:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef472e256092013633067 You would know? :-) Having wandered around the stolen stonework recently, I can assure - they wouldn't look like that, man. The flashbacks told me so. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/11/2009, at 1:35 AM, wrote: > Looks like the Elgin Marbles seen through the haze of LSD. Nice, > though, like, far out, man. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 21:59:39 2009 Received: (qmail 28052 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 20:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 20:59:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE54E18229 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:59:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01431E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18A519FDCB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:59:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72A719FDDD for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:59:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:59:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so6873011bwz.30 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:59:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.151.209 with SMTP id d17mr1440668bkw.120.1257195573535; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:59:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:59:33 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0911021259x283ec41dn3003b0f54fbed337@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 21:59:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef483b287951073733319 Taking a closer look; I think Ken nailed it. Charlie On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > > > > I'm guess a guard rail that has been utilized a time or two. Bill > Barber > > > > Agreed. A galvanized steel guardrail. Kinda needs "Moosification", though. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 22:08:28 2009 Received: (qmail 2708 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 21:08:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:08:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B90E18244 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4FCE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ADEA19FE02 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:08:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519D419F9CF for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:08:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:08:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1447 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2009 21:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:02:50 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AEF0B85.70409@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:08:21 +1100 References: <200911020327.nA23RHpM012393@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4AEEBF2D.9040505@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEF0B85.70409@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Chuck's cataract, was: Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 22:08:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef4a4c230856107113666 New eyes, new knee, creeping up to 7,000K! Great - here's hoping your white balance returns. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/11/2009, at 3:40 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > It's clear that I have not seen true white in a long > time. The haze in the left eye should clear in a day or two. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 22:12:59 2009 Received: (qmail 29676 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 21:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:12:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E91E182AD for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E782FE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAE13610005 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:12:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243983610004 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:12:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:12:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1663 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2009 21:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:07:21 -0000 Message-Id: <8ACD7229-07AD-4EF5-BAF0-ECFEE54F6495@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:12:52 +1100 References: <4AEE3418.19723.3BFE08@bj.caverock.net.nz> <936E0B3F-7C7B-4AB8-8A18-EE4B41853648@threeshoes.net> <4AED962D.7020206@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEF0FF9.3000905@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 22:12:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef4b5b251352439112457 You could write an automated script in PS - I might get around to that one day... :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/11/2009, at 4:26 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > I've also experimented with image rotation (full image--no cropping) > during > the steps. For example: > 1. Rotate image 13 degrees CCW (anti-clockwise) > 2. Resize by 113% > 3. Rotate image 34 degrees CCW > 4. Resize by 134% > 5. Rotate image 21 degrees CCW > 6. Resize by 121% > 7. Rotate image 68 degrees CW > 8. Trim off the white edge to your original image area. > > This has given simply outstanding results. Horribly time-consuming in > Photoshop, but much faster in PWP 5.0. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 22:16:02 2009 Received: (qmail 8471 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 21:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:16:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099BFE18212 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6BEE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4B43610004 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:15:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD203610002 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:15:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:15:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so703589gvf.21 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:15:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.141.168 with SMTP id c40mr491515hba.146.1257196555101; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:15:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8ACD7229-07AD-4EF5-BAF0-ECFEE54F6495@people.net.au> References: <4AEE3418.19723.3BFE08@bj.caverock.net.nz> <936E0B3F-7C7B-4AB8-8A18-EE4B41853648@threeshoes.net> <4AED962D.7020206@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEF0FF9.3000905@chucknorcutt.com> <8ACD7229-07AD-4EF5-BAF0-ECFEE54F6495@people.net.au> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:15:55 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7452551144d5908d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 22:16:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef4c12130421950411718 > > You could write an automated script in PS - I might get around to that > one day... :-) > PWP 5.0 also gives scripting too. I'll get another round tuit. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 22:29:03 2009 Received: (qmail 11276 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 21:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:29:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8272CE182A3 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:29:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE899E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD5F19FE56 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:28:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CEC19FE53 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:28:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-web17-z01 ([10.127.132.108]) by cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091102212835390.RTBC14605@cdptpa-smta01.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:28:35 +0000 Message-ID: <20091102212835.KFPIP.101417.root@cdptpa-web17-z01> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:28:35 -0500 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: Cc: Ken Norton Subject: Re: [OM] Death of the DSLR Camera - Gearlog X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 22:29:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef4f1f211749730998309 Man, haven't you ever heard Ron (White) the Wise? And I quote: "You can't fix stupid." --Bob Whitmire www.dwp33.com ---- Ken Norton wrote: > The m43 concept (and variants) won't address the needs of Joe Sixpack until > it has no interchangeable lenses and is totally "Stupid-Proof". -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 22:33:27 2009 Received: (qmail 21457 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 21:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:33:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F1BE18229 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225FFE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168593610004 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:32:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40203610003 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:32:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:32:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-web17-z01 ([10.127.132.108]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091102213212863.SRSK10304@cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com>; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:32:12 +0000 Message-ID: <20091102213212.9IZUS.101477.root@cdptpa-web17-z01> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:32:12 -0500 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <0DBC7A5A-2F20-432C-81BD-63066808E11D@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: Cc: Andrew Fildes Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 22:33:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef5027253491258626592 Oh, Man, like _Dude_! Like your flashbacks talk to you? How cool is that? Mine never say anything. Sometimes there's like a soundtrack and stuff, but no conversation. Man, I'm jealous! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com ---- Andrew Fildes wrote: > You would know? :-) > Having wandered around the stolen stonework recently, I can assure - > they wouldn't look like that, man. > The flashbacks told me so. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 03/11/2009, at 1:35 AM, wrote: > > > Looks like the Elgin Marbles seen through the haze of LSD. Nice, > > though, like, far out, man. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 22:35:19 2009 Received: (qmail 4008 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 21:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:35:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579AAE181B2 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:35:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA81E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780583610008 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:35:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD3D3610006 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:35:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr (smtp23.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2308.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5815070000A1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:35:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2308.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2645E70000A5 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:35:10 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091102213511156.2645E70000A5@msfrf2308.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AEF50B3.80708@sfr.fr> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:35:47 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEEA5AE.9010304@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: PAW 44 - Phx - Testing times -Chris X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 22:35:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef5097183625368819438 Thanks for viewing Chris Another bite? http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe Chris Barker wrote: >Philippe > >I'm sorry to hear of the burglary, but the pic looks good. I'm rather >fond of chocolate, especially Swiss, Belgian, German or French ... :-) > >Chris > >On 2 Nov 2009, at 09:26, Philippe Amard wrote: > > > >>Last week was spent at a Chalet in Switzerland, trying to recover from >>the ordeal of a burglary sufffered the week before, when Alice's car >>and >>camera gear vanished overnight ... now replaced in part. >>So here's the mood in the chalet after dusk >> >>http://tinyurl.com/yh7zq3s >>(Beer tasters and chocolate lovers might enjoy seeing it large) >> >> > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 22:39:53 2009 Received: (qmail 3212 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 21:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:39:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3511E18214 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:39:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD29E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC3A19FE7A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:39:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0DE19FE6B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:39:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4730 invoked by uid 502); 2 Nov 2009 21:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.197.85) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 21:39:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEF519C.7000709@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:39:40 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 22:39:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef51a926601136683642 NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > I'm guess a guard rail that has been utilized a time or two. Bill Barber > We have a winner! Very lightly used, as it is on a low volume street. The few marks are scrapins of paint from cars stopping for the view and getting a bit close. It is where later in the day I shot the sunset I posted yesterday. Some other shots of Bass Harbor from the location will show up in the gallery. I had some difficulty choosing between the 'pure' abstract and one with a natural element. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 22:40:33 2009 Received: (qmail 27555 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 21:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:40:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBD5E182A2 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAF9E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B523610006 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:40:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971073610005 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:40:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:40:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3889 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2009 21:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:34:54 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0911021247p309f0404rddb8f74153cbe696@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:40:25 +1100 References: <4AEF03AC.9040105@verizon.net> <14883a8b0911021247p309f0404rddb8f74153cbe696@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 22:40:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef51d1295141879814018 Agreed - two classes of things although GM is simply a way of doing the same thing faster or even more strangely. We had no problem producing low-grade, tasteless, cheap food by selective breeding and hybridisation. Tough, square tomatoes come to mind. But GM fearfulness is a classic example of faddish behavior - there is a faint possibility that we may produce a toxic hybrid but it's not terribly likely. And we eat plenty of foods with toxins in them anyway - I would recommend not eating too many walnuts at one sitting as I know to my cost. Faddish fearfulness is fuelled by people with an agenda - political or commercial. The people who've convinced us to consume vast quantities of bottled water, for instance. A good example is the current popularity of 'gluten-free' foods. Gluten needs to be avoided by at most 1% of the population with levels of coeliac disease - almost all of them blue-eyed northern European ethnic types. For everyone else, it's actually healthy. Very healthy. And as for the idea that a gluten free diet helps control autistic behaviour - no actual proof whatsoever. That said, I'm no fan of Monsanto. No, they aren't evil but they are corporate. The were a chemical company until Plant Variety Rights legislation was passed (and they were actively involved in promoting it). Then they got into the seed business as a complementary activity to glyphosate production (RoundUp). You might prefer investing in 'ethical' funds - they tend to perform rather well anyway. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/11/2009, at 7:47 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > In fairness to John, I think we've been talking of two different > things. > Humans have been hybridizing plants since we stopped chasing animals > and > started scratching at the dirt with a stick in an attempt to feed > ourselves. > And its a good thing otherwise we'd still be eating ears of corn the > size of > those that Tom Hanks tried to eat in "Big". I certainly don't object > to > eating foods that have been created by hybridizing plants or animals > that > have desirable traits. I would prefer that they be made more tasty but > certainly understand the need for more production. > What I am not interested in consuming is a food item that has had > genes > from who-knows-where-or-what inserted into their genome for who- > knows-what > reason: resistance to the latest herbicide so they can use buckets > of the > stuff; the ability for a plant to produce its own pesticide; a gene > to make > the plant glow in the dark so they can harvest at night. I'm being > facetious > of course, but you get the point. Now I'm sure all this new food has > been > tested out the wazoo with no ill effects, but then so were any > number of > medications that had to be withdrawn from the market for unexpected > side > effects years after there introduction. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 22:41:37 2009 Received: (qmail 31863 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 21:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:41:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1D1E18200 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31F7E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C301019FE6C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:41:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1546D19FE8E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:41:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:41:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3937 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2009 21:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:35:59 -0000 Message-Id: <4018437F-4857-4BFA-B55D-EA65D8A66D88@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <20091102212835.KFPIP.101417.root@cdptpa-web17-z01> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:41:30 +1100 References: <20091102212835.KFPIP.101417.root@cdptpa-web17-z01> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Death of the DSLR Camera - Gearlog X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 22:41:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef5211279921744846740 No, but you can make a lot of money off it. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/11/2009, at 8:28 AM, wrote: > Man, haven't you ever heard Ron (White) the Wise? And I quote: "You > can't fix stupid." -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 22:43:30 2009 Received: (qmail 18211 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 21:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:43:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62267E18255 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B93EE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401A73610003 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:43:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4893D3610005 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:43:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4006 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2009 21:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:37:47 -0000 Message-Id: <81550C59-4DCF-44F2-812B-07C09BAE623F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <20091102213212.9IZUS.101477.root@cdptpa-web17-z01> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:43:18 +1100 References: <20091102213212.9IZUS.101477.root@cdptpa-web17-z01> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 22:43:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef5282126011342116753 Hey Bob, I'm reading you in stereo, man. How cool is that? You're sending double! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/11/2009, at 8:32 AM, wrote: > Oh, Man, like _Dude_! Like your flashbacks talk to you? How cool is > that? Mine never say anything. Sometimes there's like a soundtrack > and stuff, but no conversation. Man, I'm jealous! > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > > ---- Andrew Fildes wrote: >> You would know? :-) >> Having wandered around the stolen stonework recently, I can assure - >> they wouldn't look like that, man. >> The flashbacks told me so. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 03/11/2009, at 1:35 AM, wrote: >> >>> Looks like the Elgin Marbles seen through the haze of LSD. Nice, >>> though, like, far out, man. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 22:44:41 2009 Received: (qmail 542 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 21:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:44:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAA8E18200 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:44:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D05FE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E39E19FE9B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:44:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E913A19FE93 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:44:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr (smtp23.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:44:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2308.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 49DD57000085 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:44:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2308.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1D6C6700008C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:44:36 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091102214436120.1D6C6700008C@msfrf2308.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AEF52EA.1010505@sfr.fr> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:45:14 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEF519C.7000709@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AEF519C.7000709@gmail.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 22:44:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef52c9318641744846740 Both are great - keep them as is. Phx Moose wrote: >NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > > >>I'm guess a guard rail that has been utilized a time or two. Bill Barber >> >> >> > >We have a winner! Very lightly used, as it is on a low volume street. >The few marks are scrapins of paint from cars stopping for the view and >getting a bit close. It is where later in the day I shot the sunset I >posted yesterday. Some other shots of Bass Harbor from the location will >show up in the gallery. > >I had some difficulty choosing between the 'pure' abstract and one with >a natural element. > > > >Moose > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 22:47:44 2009 Received: (qmail 14029 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 21:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 21:47:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7C5E18246 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:47:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4B5E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:47:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6C019FEB0 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:47:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A447019FEB2 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:47:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so712098gvf.21 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:47:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.11 with SMTP id q11mr634526hba.98.1257198457217; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:47:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <81550C59-4DCF-44F2-812B-07C09BAE623F@people.net.au> References: <20091102213212.9IZUS.101477.root@cdptpa-web17-z01> <81550C59-4DCF-44F2-812B-07C09BAE623F@people.net.au> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:47:37 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a95e3100f38894d5 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 22:47:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef5380180081744846740 > > Hey Bob, I'm reading you in stereo, man. How cool is that? > You're sending double! > Monovision here. AG (not monobrow) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 23:12:51 2009 Received: (qmail 17459 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 22:12:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:12:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9397DE181A8 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56F2E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC2019FF38 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:12:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB3F19FF0F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:12:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:12:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7710 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2009 22:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:06:56 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:12:27 +1100 References: <20091102213212.9IZUS.101477.root@cdptpa-web17-z01> <81550C59-4DCF-44F2-812B-07C09BAE623F@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 23:12:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef5963281675034211378 Don't thinks it's me - it's only happening with Bob. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/11/2009, at 8:47 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Hey Bob, I'm reading you in stereo, man. How cool is that? >> You're sending double! >> > > > Monovision here. > > AG (not monobrow) Schnozz > -- > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 23:16:05 2009 Received: (qmail 23503 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 22:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:16:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A5CE181CF for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A98E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A833618001 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:15:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01A73610003 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:15:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KSI007225TWM1K0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:15:32 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-89-230-16.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.230.16]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:18:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:15:32 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <6F4E0297DBFA4734B0D2D14688462AFE@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar0LAJHo7koYWeYQ/2dsb2JhbACBSokXhRzMRAqEMgSFAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,670,1249268400"; d="scan'208";a="471927580" X-EsetScannerBuild: 5955 References: Subject: Re: [OM] How do you say near mint? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 23:16:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef5a25186072439112457 $750 tops ........... is that a mint ?. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [OM] How do you say near mint? > > In a message dated 11/1/2009 9:44:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, > chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com writes: > > Looks awesome but I bet it goes for a mint. > > > > You are on. Bill Barber > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4566 (20091102) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4566 (20091102) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 23:18:51 2009 Received: (qmail 30706 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 22:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:18:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40CBE18228 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B3AE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCF619FF4F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:18:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA5B19FF2F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:18:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16460 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2009 22:18:44 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 22:18:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEF5AC3.3050403@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:18:43 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200911020327.nA23RHpM012393@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4AEEBF2D.9040505@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEF0B85.70409@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-1, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Chuck's cataract, was: Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 23:18:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef5acb307612013633067 I asked the doc if the lens implant was UV stable. He said: "Yes and it's much clearer than the one your mother gave you." Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > New eyes, new knee, creeping up to 7,000K! > Great - here's hoping your white balance returns. > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 03/11/2009, at 3:40 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> It's clear that I have not seen true white in a long >> time. The haze in the left eye should clear in a day or two. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 23:21:36 2009 Received: (qmail 26604 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 22:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:21:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129EFE181B9 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D82E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F0619FF66 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:21:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D5C19FF61 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:21:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18464 invoked by uid 504); 2 Nov 2009 22:21:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Nov 2009 22:21:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEF5B68.8050703@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:21:28 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEF519C.7000709@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AEF519C.7000709@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-1, 11/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 23:21:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef5b7016136107113666 Ah, I very much like the natural element. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > NSURIT@aol.com wrote: >> I'm guess a guard rail that has been utilized a time or two. Bill Barber >> > > We have a winner! Very lightly used, as it is on a low volume street. > The few marks are scrapins of paint from cars stopping for the view and > getting a bit close. It is where later in the day I shot the sunset I > posted yesterday. Some other shots of Bass Harbor from the location will > show up in the gallery. > > I had some difficulty choosing between the 'pure' abstract and one with > a natural element. > > > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 23:26:26 2009 Received: (qmail 18736 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 22:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:26:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C600E1819F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:26:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167DBE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD84A19FF70 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F73C19FF72 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:25:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.36]) by mta05.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KSI00DO56B9LNU0@mta05.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:25:57 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar0LAAvr7koYWeYQ/2dsb2JhbACBSokXhRzMMAqEMgSFAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,670,1249268400"; d="scan'208";a="471937800" Received: from blk-89-230-16.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.230.16]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:28:31 -0400 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:25:57 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 5955 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 23:26:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef5c91112501950411718 Just another piece of action to keep the ~ 1,150,000 licenced attorneys in the USA busy. :-) ps: check the American Bar Association for lawyer numbers. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers > > In a message dated 11/1/2009 10:32:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, > jhnichols@lighttube.net writes: > > A lawsuit can bankrupt a small farmer, and any settlement due the > original > > large owner may be settled by transfer of the land. Hence, the small > farmer > is gone, and the large company just keeps growing. > > I saw a TV show based on this premise, about 2 weeks ago. > > > > > > In two words, "That sucks." Seems to me the small farmer would have > grounds for recourse against the big company that polluted is natural > strain of > seeds. Where is the ACLU when you need them? Are the small farmers not > being deprived of "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?" Bill > Barber > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4566 (20091102) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4566 (20091102) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 23:29:14 2009 Received: (qmail 20267 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 22:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:29:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD01E181CD for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:29:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D169E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6905419FD98 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:29:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE59819FF75 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:29:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d58-104-127-65.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.127.65]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA2MT4jR007547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:29:05 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55611D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> In-Reply-To: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55611D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:29:04 +1100 Message-ID: <004401ca5c0b$e2f800a0$a8e801e0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acpbrg91YkwNc2XSTeWNiPvtU+gErwAFyTjwABGLoYA= Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 23:29:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef5d3a193261234514069 > > Can an OM-2 with shoe-3 do OTF TTL? I had thought one needed the 3- > contact shoe... removing the Shoe-2 on there shows only 2 contact > pins... > Yes, you get TTL, but don't get the ready light in the viewfinder. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 23:32:44 2009 Received: (qmail 7278 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 22:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:32:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA4DE181D6 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF614E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:32:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFC619FF9F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:32:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AC919FF9E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:32:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so6967347bwz.30 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:32:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.34 with SMTP id q34mr565573hba.124.1257201141715; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:32:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:32:21 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ad4879267ced0492 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 23:32:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef5e0c63001234514069 > > Just another piece of action to keep the ~ 1,150,000 licenced attorneys in > the USA busy. :-) > Snakes Alive!!!! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 23:35:12 2009 Received: (qmail 27685 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 22:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:35:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4FFE181CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B0BE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:35:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBA719FFAA for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:35:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D05F19FF9F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:35:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:35:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so6970105bwz.30 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:35:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.87.27 with SMTP id p27mr2361314mul.125.1257201301254; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:35:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEF36CB.2000608@gmail.com> References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55611D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> <6f8422750911021057h44c50759yee8a3c79efbbce50@mail.gmail.com> <4AEF36CB.2000608@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:35:01 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911021435i6df4e014m21bea43e8596c46f@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 23:35:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef5ea0224081006886880 Indeed. Only workaround for such a setup is using a PowerBounceGrip2, together with one or several TTL-T20 conn., or the . I much prefer the T20 conn., because it can be screwed on a standard support (a tripod, for example). You might find it funny, and it is so, but I built a double screw to attach the T-20 to the underside of the PBG2 .... how many times did I actually used such an awkward and unstable flashgun: none! - but it works :-) Fernando 2009/11/2 Moose : >, but one cannot use both shoe mounted flash and remote flash > in TTL-OTF mode at once**. As main and fill light, for example. > > I suspect it doesn't matter for the 20mm macros, but might for other > set-ups one might later want. > > Moose > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 23:44:55 2009 Received: (qmail 17973 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 22:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:44:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D78E181A3 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B328E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:44:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8EA3610002 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:44:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB823610001 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:44:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so6979428bwz.30 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:44:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.87.33 with SMTP id p33mr2385575mul.94.1257201848374; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:44:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <004401ca5c0b$e2f800a0$a8e801e0$@com.au> References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55611D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> <004401ca5c0b$e2f800a0$a8e801e0$@com.au> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:44:08 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911021444r1905086hb7fe3a4c29a292e@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 23:44:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef60e724611234514069 True, the plain 2 doesn't have a red flash-ready light in the viewfinder: only the 2n and the following more modern versions. One needs to check so at the t32/t20 itself - very quickly! (flash ready and flash Ok blinking). Fernando. 2009/11/2 Wayne Harridge : >> >> Can an OM-2 with shoe-3 do OTF TTL? I had thought one needed the 3- >> contact shoe... removing the Shoe-2 on there shows only 2 contact >> pins... >> > > Yes, you get TTL, but don't get the ready light in the viewfinder. > > ...Wayne > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 23:45:41 2009 Received: (qmail 7151 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 22:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:45:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3400EE1819F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FBDE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:45:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41143610001 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:45:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BB93610002 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:45:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fxcm@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out0.tiscali.nl (smtp-out0.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.175]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:45:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out0.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1N55eX-0006kl-LH for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:45:33 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:45:29 +0100 Message-ID: References: <200911020327.nA23RHpM012393@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4AEEBF2D.9040505@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEF0B85.70409@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AEF0B85.70409@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Chuck's cataract, was: Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 23:45:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef6115146381220213263 I had the same experience two years ago, after cataract surgery on both eyes. On some days I thought that the sky was clear but with a pale blue colour, and only noticing that the sun was missing made me realize that the sky was completely overcast! When cooking on gas I sometimes couldn't see the flame, because all of the old yellow colouring was invisible for me. I think that in terms of colour temperature the difference was at least 500 K ;-) It did influence my pictures as well. I processed them differently than before, I put definitely more yellow in them after the surgery - but I only noticed that a few months later, when I was able to compare older and more recent ones. Frank van LIndert Utrecht NL. On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:40:37 -0500, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >Well, not quite yet. I'm back but the left eye doesn't see much of >anything yet. It's greatly dilated so sees nothing sharply... it's as >though looking through a mist heavier than the original cataract. >However, I have already had an amazing revelation. Things seen through >the left eye, while not yet clear, have an amazing blue definition of >whiteness. Compared to the right eye (which I didn't think was very >bad) the left eye sees blue white while the right gives everything a bit >of yellow cast. It's clear that I have not seen true white in a long >time. The haze in the left eye should clear in a day or two. > >Chuck Norcutt > > >Ken Norton wrote: >>> Left eye cataract goes away this morning. >> >> >> Oh! I see. >> >> AG (but I doubt you'll look any better) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 23:47:27 2009 Received: (qmail 16730 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 22:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:47:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F48CE182B1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:47:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AEFE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:47:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA32534AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:47:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1223034AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:47:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.127] (127.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.127]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83513DA921 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:46:52 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:46:19 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-1, 01/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 23:47:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef617f322551234514069 On thinking about discussion of my landscapes, it strikes me that the heart of the matter (problem, if there is one) lies with the inability of OM digital to cope with a wide range of illumination. Thinks of Ansel Adams who pioneered and rationalised thought on this topic. Hence his Zone System. Zone 10?? Allied with this is the clever or not so clever computer programming inside the E-3 and E-510. The E-1 is a camera I relate to more; pity Olympus didn't offer an option for 10+ megapixels inside the E-1 body ... Take for example, Nathan, CH Ling, Jim Nichols, Marc, and often Wayne Harridge; their photos frequently exclude sky. They are of concrete, tarseal, buildings, people, indoors, closeup flowers. There is not a wide range of illumination where the viewer might expect good detail in all parts - dark and light. And their images have good exposure in part (I suggest) because there is no or little sky. Ansel Adams managed this with B&W which generally has far greater latitude than digital or colour transparency, but even he developed a system to get the most out of the range.. And incidentally, the wider range that colour print film copes with is the main reason I shoot so much print film rather than transparency film. For my sins and preference, I shoot mainly landscape; though my g/f prefers my flower shots and a set I took of male-female flowers (see this lot on facebook) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=9275&id=1027725807&l=cc7871c adf so for landscapes I have to do better with managing the cameras which have the most pixies. Among the options I am considering currently, I include: (a) the Ambico system of graduated filters to darken the sky. I have found all the filters and holders but can't find the shade box. There are some on eBay. This will lessen the "range of illumination" emanating from the bright sky problem. (b) Using something like the OM4 to set exposure as I already do for my manual film cameras - if I have an interesting scene where I will want to try a range of compositions (and I know that the E-3 will alter the exposure for every composition even though the illumination of the scene has not changed one iota), I will want to set one reliable combination of speed and aperture on manual and leave that constant through the set of shots. (c) avoid including sky - but there are many times when I might want to have 80% sky but still require to see detail on the ground. (d) and having stabilised exposure, I also have to simultaneously find a way to cause the camera to focus on a spot I decide upon - be it near or far - while I move the frame to get the composition I want. Easy with film - but digital ? As an aside, if you wondered why I spent two hours photographing Mt Cook et al; here's a shot in the exact same area, under very different weather conditions. A good view is NOT guaranteed. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=186819&l=be8beb2d85&id=10277 25807 I guess I am feeling grumpy this morning about several sets of issues where computers are at the core; this Windows machine- the other day it said I had just 900MB free - and now it has 3.3 Gb free. What has it deleted?? Digital cameras and their computer management, and last but not least, I have just taken my 4x4 to hospital because at least in part one or more of its durned computers is/are misbehaving - AGAIN !! I bought that thing to reliably take me to where the scenes are. Rant over. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 23:52:34 2009 Received: (qmail 14889 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 22:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:52:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA37E181CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAF3E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA6D1A000A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:52:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDA01A0012 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:52:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com (mail-ew0-f207.google.com [209.85.219.207]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:52:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so1422079ewy.37 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:52:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.32 with SMTP id s32mr521619hbg.170.1257202346129; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:52:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:52:26 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2bf3b4621d039981 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] What's Missing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 23:52:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef62b219595034211378 I've been stewing on this whole film vs digital thing. You'd think that by this point it would be a total moot point and every attainable conclusion has been met and the axe has fallen on the old obsolete technology. Or has it? If the axe truly fell, then we wouldn't continue to be bringing this up. We wouldn't have a mini-revival going in some of the ancients. And we wouldn't have this ongoing claim with every new camera of "finally, this camera beats film" nonsense or worse yet "most film-like". Just gag me with a flash-cube will ya? I believe that what is missing in digital technology today are the flaws. Those hideous colorcasts where the films don't respond to all colors equally. The color-shifts. The non-linear contrast boosts. Even, hack hack, the grain. Come on, anybody with half an eyeball can see that film sucks pond water. So, why then is film the "better choice" for some applications? Why does film have that "I can identify that photograph from across the room" characteristic? Even Photoshop actions and plugins that mimick film don't even come close. I have theories, and I have pictures to back up my theories, but I'm interested in your thoughts too before I spew. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 2 23:57:38 2009 Received: (qmail 26533 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 22:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 22:57:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0171E1824D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:57:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E62E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:57:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75311A002C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:57:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8B41A0003 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:57:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so6992235bwz.30 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:57:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.104 with SMTP id s40mr674801hbs.76.1257202634776; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:57:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:57:14 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 153e1ba11c0f959c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 2 23:57:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef63e258469730998309 ND Grads = good M mode = good Meter with OM-4 = good The current think of "Expose To The Right" is essentially a non-calibrated digital variation of the Zone System. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 00:06:34 2009 Received: (qmail 9320 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 23:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 23:06:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62680E181CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:06:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98E3E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8FE34AC027 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:06:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1E234AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:06:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA2N6Pnu026198 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:06:25 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.bd6.5e4170d2 (55721) for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.170]) by cia-md02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD024-b2524aef65ea28d; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:06:21 -0500 Received: from webmail-d099 (webmail-d099.sim.aol.com [205.188.255.20]) by smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE036-b2524aef65ea28d; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:06:18 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:06:18 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 28878-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com (205.188.255.20) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:06:18 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC2A283866AA88-76B0-17E0A@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Chuck's cataract, was: Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 00:06:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef65fa198541220213263 Sounds good. Don't get too concerned if the vision clears up and then gets a bit cloudy with glare. About 25% will develop schmutz on the posterior capsule and require a YAG posterior capsulotomy. I like the idea of the Crystalens that moves when your ciliary muscles contract to provide some accomodation to near and middle distances---takes at least a few weeks to relearn this vs the previous autonomic reflexes. (not as elegant of nature's version). Not sure I like the Restor (3 zone lens) or REZOOM flavors with an "apodized lens." The toric IOL for astigmatism is cool as well---need experienced surgeons for these as the installation can be challenging. Suspect you elected the usual approach as you haven't mentioned any of the other options---expensive and often the price differential is NOT covered.. One thing about Boston, you throw a stone and hit at least two experts and experienced surgeons are a snap to to locate. A non opthalmologist Mike but who pays attention to this. (likes all kinds of lenses) New eyes, new knee, creeping up to 7,000K! Great - here's hoping your white balance returns. Andrew Fildes afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx On 03/11/2009, at 3:40 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > It's clear that I have not seen true white in a long > time. The haze in the left eye should clear in a day or two. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 00:15:46 2009 Received: (qmail 8980 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 23:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 23:15:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE153E1822C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAA5E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:15:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBF834AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:15:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B06134AC02C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:15:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:15:37 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id nA2NFYRS025527 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:15:36 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:15:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 00:15:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef6822183422517112723 Brian, I do encounter sky occasionally. Kodachrome slide from 1964, scanned with Dimage Scan Dual II: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Presidential+Fleet+at+Andrews+AFB+1964.jpg.html Oly E-510 with Leica lens, 2009: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Power.tif.html Unfortunately, these skies don't contain much useful detail. E-510 and ZD 14-54, 2008: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Clouds.tif.html I still like your landscapes. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Swale" To: Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure > On thinking about discussion of my landscapes, it strikes me that the > heart > of the matter (problem, if there is one) lies with the inability of OM > digital to > cope with a wide range of illumination. > > Thinks of Ansel Adams who pioneered and rationalised thought on this > topic. Hence his Zone System. Zone 10?? > > Allied with this is the clever or not so clever computer programming > inside > the E-3 and E-510. The E-1 is a camera I relate to more; pity Olympus > didn't offer an option for 10+ megapixels inside the E-1 body ... > > Take for example, Nathan, CH Ling, Jim Nichols, Marc, and often Wayne > Harridge; their photos frequently exclude sky. They are of concrete, > tarseal, > buildings, people, indoors, closeup flowers. There is not a wide range of > illumination where the viewer might expect good detail in all parts - dark > and > light. > And their images have good exposure in part (I suggest) because there is > no or little sky. > Ansel Adams managed this with B&W which generally has far greater > latitude than digital or colour transparency, but even he developed a > system > to get the most out of the range.. > And incidentally, the wider range that colour print film copes with is the > main > reason I shoot so much print film rather than transparency film. > > For my sins and preference, I shoot mainly landscape; though my g/f > prefers > my flower shots and a set I took of male-female flowers (see this lot on > facebook) > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=9275&id=1027725807&l=cc7871c > adf > > so for landscapes I have to do better with managing the cameras which > have the most pixies. > Among the options I am considering currently, I include: (a) the Ambico > system of graduated filters to darken the sky. I have found all the > filters and > holders but can't find the shade box. There are some on eBay. This will > lessen the "range of illumination" emanating from the bright sky problem. > > (b) Using something like the OM4 to set exposure as I already do for my > manual film cameras - if I have an interesting scene where I will want to > try a > range of compositions (and I know that the E-3 will alter the exposure for > every composition even though the illumination of the scene has not > changed one iota), I will want to set one reliable combination of speed > and > aperture on manual and leave that constant through the set of shots. > > (c) avoid including sky - but there are many times when I might want to > have 80% sky but still require to see detail on the ground. > > (d) and having stabilised exposure, I also have to simultaneously find a > way > to cause the camera to focus on a spot I decide upon - be it near or far - > while I move the frame to get the composition I want. Easy with film - but > digital ? > > As an aside, if you wondered why I spent two hours photographing Mt Cook > et al; here's a shot in the exact same area, under very different weather > conditions. A good view is NOT guaranteed. > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=186819&l=be8beb2d85&id=10277 > 25807 > > I guess I am feeling grumpy this morning about several sets of issues > where > computers are at the core; this Windows machine- the other day it said I > had > just 900MB free - and now it has 3.3 Gb free. What has it deleted?? > Digital cameras and their computer management, and last but not least, I > have just taken my 4x4 to hospital because at least in part one or more of > its > durned computers is/are misbehaving - AGAIN !! I bought that thing to > reliably take me to where the scenes are. Rant over. > > Brian Swale. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 00:28:05 2009 Received: (qmail 20909 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2009 23:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 23:28:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1437E18064 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28914E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:27:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3DB34AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:27:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3A334AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:27:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:27:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA2NRo2T026107 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:27:50 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.cc4.5c2542e0 (43833) for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.155]) by cia-dc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC026-d41f4aef6aeb1cf; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:27:46 -0500 Received: from webmail-d099 (webmail-d099.sim.aol.com [205.188.255.20]) by smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD025-d41f4aef6aeb1cf; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:27:40 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:27:39 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 28878-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com (205.188.255.20) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:27:39 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC2A2B34188EDC-76B0-18450@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 00:28:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef6b05140751073733319 Huh? Why not just daisy chain the flash units with T-cords. Not as neat or organized but should work fine AFAIK. Perhaps I am missing something and have not understood this properly. I assumed the quench signal works OK in this configuration. I hope someone clarifies this. I use the OM-2 on the Lepp II bracket with a T32 in one arm and the Power control in the hot shoe, they are daisy chained. Mike Indeed. Only workaround for such a setup is using a PowerBounceGrip2, together with one or several TTL-T20 conn., or the . I much prefer the T20 conn., because it can be screwed on a standard support (a tripod, for example). You might find it funny, and it is so, but I built a double screw to attach the T-20 to the underside of the PBG2 .... how many times did I actually used such an awkward and unstable flashgun: none! - but it works :-) Fernando 2009/11/2 Moose : >, but one cannot use both shoe mounted flash and remote flash > in TTL-OTF mode at once**. As main and fill light, for example. > > I suspect it doesn't matter for the 20mm macros, but might for other > set-ups one might later want. > > Moose > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 01:03:41 2009 Received: (qmail 23149 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 00:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 00:03:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013E8E181AE for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:03:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F537E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FBA34AC028 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:03:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5816234AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:03:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:03:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29812 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2009 00:03:30 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2009 00:03:30 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEF7351.8070608@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:03:29 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC2A283866AA88-76B0-17E0A@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CC2A283866AA88-76B0-17E0A@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091102-0, 11/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Chuck's cataract, was: Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 01:03:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef735d212401744846740 I considered but rejected Crystalens due to the fact that the plastic of the lens is not UV stable. Crystalens users are required to wear UV blocking sun glasses when outside. That flew against my objective to eliminate as much glasses wear as possible. I have high hopes of needing only reading and computer glasses. Thanks for the info on YAG posterior capsulotomy. I never heard of it but am glad that it's easily cleared up if it occurs. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Sounds good. Don't get too concerned if the vision clears up and then > gets a bit cloudy with glare. About 25% will develop schmutz on the > posterior capsule and require a YAG posterior capsulotomy. I like the > idea of the Crystalens that moves when your ciliary muscles contract to > provide some accomodation to near and middle distances---takes at least > a few weeks to relearn this vs the previous autonomic reflexes. > (not as elegant of nature's version). Not sure I like the Restor (3 > zone lens) or REZOOM flavors with an "apodized lens." The toric IOL > for astigmatism is cool as well---need experienced surgeons for these > as the installation can be challenging. Suspect you elected the usual > approach as > you haven't mentioned any of the other options---expensive and often > the price differential is NOT covered.. One thing about Boston, you > throw a stone and hit at least two experts and experienced surgeons are > a snap to to locate. > > A non opthalmologist Mike but who pays attention to this. (likes all > kinds of lenses) > > > > > > > > New eyes, new knee, creeping up to 7,000K! > Great - here's hoping your white balance returns. > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > On 03/11/2009, at 3:40 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> It's clear that I have not seen true white in a long >> time. The haze in the left eye should clear in a day or two. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 01:36:46 2009 Received: (qmail 12169 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 00:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 00:36:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80012E18064 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C51E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00401A082C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:36:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EAF1A0832 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:36:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:36:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23688 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 00:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 00:31:04 -0000 Message-Id: <8B8AEB6E-8486-4A28-86CF-DAAC60BAAB4E@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:36:36 +1100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] What's Missing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 01:36:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef7b1e143671234514069 I was asked that recently by a colleague who was writing on Phillip Blenkinsop (I'd have got the gig if I hadn't been off in Europe). http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0412/halstead.html She wanted to know why he was still using a film Leica. I pointed out that there are no power points in the jungle and it's easier to carry in film than piles of batteries and to have the film taken out - but there are issues of authenticity and style as well. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/11/2009, at 9:52 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > So, why then is film the "better choice" for some applications? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 01:38:31 2009 Received: (qmail 14281 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 00:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 00:38:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E7BE1824C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0D7E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A487A34AC027 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:38:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D24134AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:38:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56353140CF for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACCD3140CC for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:04:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4AEF7B86.4050206@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:38:30 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091102-0, 11/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 01:38:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef7b8758661879814018 This is the court case to which I was referring: Plenty more about Monsanto: Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 01:45:01 2009 Received: (qmail 20445 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 00:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 00:45:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180C8E1829F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:45:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9ED3E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:44:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893711A083F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:44:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05C71A083E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:44:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:44:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24174 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 00:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 00:39:21 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AEF5AC3.3050403@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:44:54 +1100 References: <200911020327.nA23RHpM012393@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <4AEEBF2D.9040505@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEF0B85.70409@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEF5AC3.3050403@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Chuck's cataract, was: Clouds Crush Village! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 01:45:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef7d0d201662517112723 Can't always trust yr mum! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/11/2009, at 9:18 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I asked the doc if the lens implant was UV stable. He said: "Yes and > it's much clearer than the one your mother gave you." -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 01:50:44 2009 Received: (qmail 20563 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 00:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 00:50:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C752E1819D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FDEE240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:50:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46EE34AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:50:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5BC34AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:50:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:50:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFB93140F4 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:16:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7573140D6 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:16:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4AEF7E63.4000001@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:50:43 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091102-0, 11/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 01:50:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef7e64182291560218263 > > How is that different from:........... > OK, so we are doing analogies: Let's say Adobe surreptitiously uploaded PS to people's computers then took them to court to pay for the software + damages and court costs. Even though removing the unwanted software was time consuming and expensive and interfered with defendant's work. Actually Monsanto has paid damages in at least one case of $660 for the removal of its unwanted crops. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 01:58:06 2009 Received: (qmail 22482 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 00:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 00:58:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86221E181A8 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:58:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950B2E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:58:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3401A086A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:58:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16451A084E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:57:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.59.78] (78.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.78]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7FC3DAA4C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:57:48 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:57:14 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AF036BA.19975.EB9F07@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091101-1, 01/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM) Re: ( OM) Coyotes (now Cougars) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 01:58:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef801e35921006886880 Charlie asked : > How much older than you was she Brian? ;^) Actually, 3 years younger. Some of these predators seem to prefer matured sustenance. Thank goodness! Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 02:26:03 2009 Received: (qmail 25688 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 01:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 01:26:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFC6E18246 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FA6E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7191A08C5 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:25:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9161A08C3 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:25:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565B63140D6 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA3B3140D5 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:51:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4AEF86AA.6030500@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:26:02 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091102-0, 11/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 02:26:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef86ab74291258626592 I have several of those widgets for connecting the TTL cords to various bodies if anyone is interested. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 02:54:29 2009 Received: (qmail 4645 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 01:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 01:54:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413F9E18256 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0844BE240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78301A08F6 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:54:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4991A08F4 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:54:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:54:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d58-104-127-65.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.127.65]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA31sKn2013909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:54:21 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:54:19 +1100 Message-ID: <004501ca5c28$8f91ba60$aeb52f20$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcpcD9+mt3UPOmXNRpaygUYjy2U6zwAGFraw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 02:54:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef8d55263361413256596 > > ND Grads = good > M mode = good > Meter with OM-4 = good > > The current think of "Expose To The Right" is essentially a non- > calibrated > digital variation of the Zone System. > ...and HDR is another possibility, one exposure for the sky and another for the earth. If done properly they can look very good, though I've seen some weird looking examples. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 03:40:04 2009 Received: (qmail 7901 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 02:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 02:40:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFECE181CF for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:40:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED09CE240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:39:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B0434AC027 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:39:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE7334AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:39:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:39:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.45] ([72.79.30.57]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSI000EFI2EW39J@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:39:50 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AEF97F5.5040600@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:39:49 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-reply-to: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 03:40:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef9804323281006886880 Brian Swale wrote: > > As an aside, if you wondered why I spent two hours photographing Mt Cook > et al; here's a shot in the exact same area, under very different weather > conditions. A good view is NOT guaranteed. > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=186819&l=be8beb2d85&id=10277 > 25807 > That's a beauty. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 03:46:03 2009 Received: (qmail 25048 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 02:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 02:46:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2F9E1824D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5137BE240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107CA1A0965 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:45:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280EF1A095F for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:45:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:45:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA32jpn2021729 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:45:51 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AEE3418.19723.3BFE08@bj.caverock.net.nz><936E0B3F-7C7B-4AB8-8A18-EE4B41853648@threeshoes.net><4AED962D.7020206@chucknorcutt.com><4AEF0FF9.3000905@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:45:29 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) New photos - non-film, sorry X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 03:46:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef996b324687801554290 Ken, thanks for the excellent suggestion, I have never thought about odd number resizing. Not only E-1 need this my 5D II also, here is an example that I couldn't get it right with normal resizing. Canon DPP one step: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5971-single-step-DPP.JPG Photoshop one step: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5971-single-step-PS.jpg Photoshop multi step with integer 1000, 1500, 2000 ...etc.: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5971-multi-step.jpg Photoshop multi step with odd numbers: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_5971-multi-step-odd.jpg see the ropes at the right side. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > > >> Mr. Sachs was so adamant on this point that I don't think he'd agree >> with your exceptions. But you have the power to prove him wrong. Can >> you demonstrate your point using Picture Window Pro... his own product? >> > > Absolutely! > > If I need to upsize an image (which is a normal requirement with 5MP E-1 > and > A1 files), and the image contains straight lines in it, you absolutely > will > get the saw-tooth pattern high-contrast edges within the image. > > To break those edges up, you need to use multiple steps. But if you do the > 10% resizing, things just look mushy and nasty. The resulting image will > lack the definition a single-step resizing has. So, to reduce the > pattern, > here is my recommendation. > > 1. Resize by some odd percentage like 113%. > 2. Resize by another odd percentage like 134% > 3. Resize by another oddball like 121% > > I used Fibonacci numbers in this example which yielded an almost doubling > in > size in three steps. By doing this, the saw-tooth artifacts are nearly > eliminated or at least reduced enough to be a non-issue most of the time. > > I've also experimented with image rotation (full image--no cropping) > during > the steps. For example: > 1. Rotate image 13 degrees CCW (anti-clockwise) > 2. Resize by 113% > 3. Rotate image 34 degrees CCW > 4. Resize by 134% > 5. Rotate image 21 degrees CCW > 6. Resize by 121% > 7. Rotate image 68 degrees CW > 8. Trim off the white edge to your original image area. > > This has given simply outstanding results. Horribly time-consuming in > Photoshop, but much faster in PWP 5.0. > > Resizing is pretty much a lost art now because of higher pixel-count > sensors. Only us dinosaurs with E-1s have to go through these things. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 03:49:48 2009 Received: (qmail 20008 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 02:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 02:49:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FF0E18200 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:49:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7666E240C1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8251A096E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:49:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FB31A093B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:49:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17734 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2009 02:49:42 -0000 Message-ID: <788368.17630.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: D6xvVpEVM1nCM0fkfGdvdJDB42Dvi5_rwQnNh89l.YFYQluehwXoB60YnjD1x7iyhroFYs7Xd3mMMb4VEE.sixnEEpH_MHbnommxG5XtwkUbev8wd75NbRhQy7SElCTPg2RACXN_ORnWBc.kdo44NhQlQhdsEEj.4ouI7BK4dW0NAEe3RGFKc.t.tyeTb02yZLZ42AtqKzPdIuvVWQdla5Kx5cMz.Ne.Zj23utjwlz69QGDeWuFNq_qOuvGOgO1s6RC6EMRFJ28Jw0sLcEzfj3IC_I2nSXhs2l1xni_1ckVoG6XvGh49UDG82cqwvztzbaSKmCHrwQTEq3eRYjbHN.q8xduXUpBOdGZcgKYHa8ukPLe8IAhW5Jhz Received: from [71.186.246.154] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:49:42 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:49:42 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] What's Missing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 03:49:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aef9a4c191411258626592 "If the axe truly fell, then we wouldn't continue to be > bringing this up. We > wouldn't have a mini-revival going in some of the ancients. > And we wouldn't > have this ongoing claim with every new camera of "finally, > this camera beats > film" nonsense or worse yet "most film-like"." A lot of that has to do with the "feel" of a classic camera. Hearing the pure sound of the shutter. New cameras don't give that feeling and some of the dslr's have electronic sounding shutters...not the same! I believe the purists will continue to support and use film. As one of the threads mentions...perhaps the dslr is going bye-bye. Which brings me to the question of video in a dslr. If dslr's are going to the wayside...why invest so much in incorporating video in a dslr? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 04:06:30 2009 Received: (qmail 12713 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 03:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 03:06:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7F2E182A3 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1A7E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EDD34AC027 for ; 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Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA33HVo3000118 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:17:31 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:16:20 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 04:17:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefa0d3178221234514069 I do have lots of shots with sky :-) : http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/eu04-1.htm http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/eu04-2.htm http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/eu04-3.htm It is not easy to get good sky in Hong Kong but it depends on the time :-) http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6029.jpg C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Swale" > > Take for example, Nathan, CH Ling, Jim Nichols, Marc, and often Wayne > Harridge; their photos frequently exclude sky. They are of concrete, > tarseal, > buildings, people, indoors, closeup flowers. There is not a wide range of > illumination where the viewer might expect good detail in all parts - dark > and > light. > And their images have good exposure in part (I suggest) because there is > no or little sky. > Ansel Adams managed this with B&W which generally has far greater > latitude than digital or colour transparency, but even he developed a > system > to get the most out of the range.. > And incidentally, the wider range that colour print film copes with is the > main > reason I shoot so much print film rather than transparency film. > ............ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 04:18:49 2009 Received: (qmail 26390 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 03:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 04:19:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefa15e145331258626592 Gorgeous. --- On Mon, 11/2/09, C.H.Ling wrote: > From: C.H.Ling > Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 10:16 PM > I do have lots of shots with sky :-) > : > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6029.jpg > > C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 04:22:40 2009 Received: (qmail 23713 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 03:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 04:22:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefa20015742517112723 I think you've missed the point on this one. Video on a DSLR is basically a retro feature derived from video on point and shoots. The video depends on the abilities of live view. But it is live view that will kill the DSLR. Reread the article. Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > "If the axe truly fell, then we wouldn't continue to be >> bringing this up. We wouldn't have a mini-revival going in some of >> the ancients. And we wouldn't have this ongoing claim with every >> new camera of "finally, this camera beats film" nonsense or worse >> yet "most film-like"." > > A lot of that has to do with the "feel" of a classic camera. Hearing > the pure sound of the shutter. New cameras don't give that feeling > and some of the dslr's have electronic sounding shutters...not the > same! I believe the purists will continue to support and use film. As > one of the threads mentions...perhaps the dslr is going bye-bye. > Which brings me to the question of video in a dslr. If dslr's are > going to the wayside...why invest so much in incorporating video in a > dslr? > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 04:25:07 2009 Received: (qmail 24602 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 03:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 03:25:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6985AE181DE for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABE0E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514941CD486 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:25:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C4D1CD485 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:25:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8744 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2009 03:24:59 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091102-0, 11/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 04:25:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefa29365281413256596 Mike has it correct. The daisy-chained flash units will all be fired and quenched simultaneously. What one will have a very difficult time doing is establishing lighting ratios for main and fill, etc. Just get a meter and shoot manually. Dr. Flash usher99@aol.com wrote: > Huh? Why not just daisy chain the flash units with T-cords. Not as > neat or organized but should work fine AFAIK. Perhaps I am missing > something and have not understood this properly. I assumed the quench > signal works OK in this configuration. I hope someone clarifies this. > > I use the OM-2 on the Lepp II bracket with a T32 in one arm and the > Power control in the hot shoe, they are daisy chained. > > Mike > > > Indeed. Only workaround for such a setup is using a PowerBounceGrip2, > together with one or several TTL-T20 conn., or the > nnector.htm>. > I much prefer the T20 conn., because it can be screwed on a standard > support (a tripod, for example). > > You might find it funny, and it is so, but I built a double screw to > attach the T-20 to the underside of the PBG2 .... how many times did I > actually used such an awkward and unstable flashgun: none! - but it > works :-) > > Fernando > > 2009/11/2 Moose : >> , but one cannot use both shoe mounted flash and remote flash >> in TTL-OTF mode at once**. As main and fill light, for example. >> >> I suspect it doesn't matter for the 20mm macros, but might for other >> set-ups one might later want. >> >> Moose >> -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 04:38:25 2009 Received: (qmail 25962 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 03:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 03:38:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB65DE18212 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A0AE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:38:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9DC3610001 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:38:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29A034AC028 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:38:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:38:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17842 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2009 03:38:20 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091102-0, 11/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 04:38:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefa5b168801413256596 Schmeiser hardly comes off as the poor, innocent farmer here. Chuck Norcutt Mike Lazzari wrote: > This is the court case to which I was referring: > > > > Plenty more about Monsanto: > > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 04:39:46 2009 Received: (qmail 6600 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 03:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 03:39:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA2AE18214 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF8EE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C131B34AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:39:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B95234AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:39:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18570 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2009 03:39:40 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2009 03:39:40 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEFA5FB.8050805@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:39:39 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEF7E63.4000001@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <4AEF7E63.4000001@interisland.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091102-0, 11/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 04:39:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefa602151731258626592 Doesn't sound the least bit analogous to me. Chuck Norcutt Mike Lazzari wrote: >> How is that different from:........... >> > OK, so we are doing analogies: > > Let's say Adobe surreptitiously uploaded PS to people's computers then > took them to court to pay for the software + damages and court costs. > Even though removing the unwanted software was time consuming and > expensive and interfered with defendant's work. > > Actually Monsanto has paid damages in at least one case of $660 for the > removal of its unwanted crops. > > Mike > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 04:44:49 2009 Received: (qmail 19254 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 03:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 03:44:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D56DE1819D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2846E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74583610001 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:44:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA6734AC025 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:44:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21751 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2009 03:44:43 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2009 03:44:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEFA72B.9090801@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:44:43 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091102-0, 11/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] What's Missing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 04:44:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefa73139821220213263 I harbor no such doubts. As far as I'm concerned the axe has fallen on the old, obsolete technology... except for special cases... like no electrical power to charge batteries in the jungle, etc. I don't pine for that "special look" or grain of certain film stocks. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > I've been stewing on this whole film vs digital thing. You'd think that by > this point it would be a total moot point and every attainable conclusion > has been met and the axe has fallen on the old obsolete technology. Or has > it? > > If the axe truly fell, then we wouldn't continue to be bringing this up. We > wouldn't have a mini-revival going in some of the ancients. And we wouldn't > have this ongoing claim with every new camera of "finally, this camera beats > film" nonsense or worse yet "most film-like". > > Just gag me with a flash-cube will ya? > > I believe that what is missing in digital technology today are the flaws. > Those hideous colorcasts where the films don't respond to all colors > equally. The color-shifts. The non-linear contrast boosts. Even, hack > hack, the grain. Come on, anybody with half an eyeball can see that film > sucks pond water. > > So, why then is film the "better choice" for some applications? Why does > film have that "I can identify that photograph from across the room" > characteristic? Even Photoshop actions and plugins that mimick film don't > even come close. > > I have theories, and I have pictures to back up my theories, but I'm > interested in your thoughts too before I spew. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 04:46:20 2009 Received: (qmail 8049 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 03:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 03:46:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24232E1824D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:46:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FCFE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:46:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629D81CD486 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:46:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D951CD481 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:46:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA33k8s3007759 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:46:08 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <37BA0A2648E04AA1AF90DE13563D2FCE@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:45:44 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] What's Missing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 04:46:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefa78c240661357919056 I think the film flaws is a vaild claim, that's why I try to simulate Velvia look for some types of photos as it is more contrasy than usual digital camera response and more "blue" (or "violet" which ever you like). Slides give deeper look although it may not duplicate the real scene. All these flaws can be simulated with software but there is just no software do it right for all type of images, you have to do it one by one. It take time to learn but it is worth when you got the result you wanted, just like darkroom technique which I never had a chance to learn. I'm rescanning my negatives and the results were just much better with the technique I learnt after scanned for over ten thousands negatives. Another issue is due to the difficulty in mastering a good print with digital workflow, the profile issues are difficult to understand (at least for me). Many people even not able to manage a good looking image for display on monitor not to mention on print. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > I've been stewing on this whole film vs digital thing. You'd think that by > this point it would be a total moot point and every attainable conclusion > has been met and the axe has fallen on the old obsolete technology. Or > has > it? > > If the axe truly fell, then we wouldn't continue to be bringing this up. > We > wouldn't have a mini-revival going in some of the ancients. And we > wouldn't > have this ongoing claim with every new camera of "finally, this camera > beats > film" nonsense or worse yet "most film-like". > > Just gag me with a flash-cube will ya? > > I believe that what is missing in digital technology today are the flaws. > Those hideous colorcasts where the films don't respond to all colors > equally. The color-shifts. The non-linear contrast boosts. Even, hack > hack, the grain. Come on, anybody with half an eyeball can see that film > sucks pond water. > > So, why then is film the "better choice" for some applications? Why does > film have that "I can identify that photograph from across the room" > characteristic? Even Photoshop actions and plugins that mimick film don't > even come close. > > I have theories, and I have pictures to back up my theories, but I'm > interested in your thoughts too before I spew. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 05:14:45 2009 Received: (qmail 28462 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 04:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 04:14:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25245E1829E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:14:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00200E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02A91CD481 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:14:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF591CD486 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:14:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jgettis81@earthlink.net whitelisted) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.175.75.103] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N5An1-0004iS-0S for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:14:39 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22009112341439315@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:14:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da9403206233964d4e6168ce92bf168f9d97d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.75.103 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] RM-UC1 remote and an E-30 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 05:14:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefae35190611560218263 Any clues as to how to get this to work? I bought a E-Bay copy and it only works for one frame and then the camera has to be reset? Thanks John jgettis81@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 05:40:40 2009 Received: (qmail 13949 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 04:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 04:40:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686D8E1824C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6813FE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:40:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB441CD485 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:40:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5691CD481 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:40:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so1419170fga.8 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:40:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.85.12 with SMTP id n12mr1465163mul.29.1257223232561; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:40:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEFA28B.8020702@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CC2A2B34188EDC-76B0-18450@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> <4AEFA28B.8020702@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:40:32 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911022040ve1f6443m4f342524a7a4145a@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 05:40:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefb448256336789618724 Yes, he is, no doubt. Why not two daisy chained t32, one a PBG2 and another on a t20 ttl otf adap= ter ? Maybe I'm not understanding what 'daisy chained' means: A T-series flash can be connected to another unit by means of one / several ttl otf cable, and do ttl otf metering. Not as good as a flash meter perhaps, but almost. This was long discussed at this list, and here it was where I learned so. By no means I'm saying he's not correct - 'though I think I'm correct too. I've tried what I read and learned here, tested it, and it works: flash units are all fired and quenched simultaneously, and this set up is _not_ intended to vary lighting ratios for main and fill: only for a full dump. Maybe this purpose (full dump only) is what's leading us to a misunderstanding. TIA Fernando. 2009/11/3 Chuck Norcutt : > Mike has it correct. =A0The daisy-chained flash units will all be fired > and quenched simultaneously. =A0What one will have a very difficult time > doing is establishing lighting ratios for main and fill, etc. =A0Just get > a meter and shoot manually. > > Dr. Flash > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 06:50:00 2009 Received: (qmail 7178 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 05:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 05:49:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D34E181D8 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A515E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4BE1CD486 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:49:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B08A1CD488 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:49:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alanmwood@yahoo.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from n20.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (n20.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [87.248.110.137]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [217.146.182.177] by n20.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2009 05:49:49 -0000 Received: from [87.248.110.111] by t3.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2009 05:49:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2009 05:49:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 94370.39242.bm@omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 79212 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2009 05:49:49 -0000 Message-ID: <983222.79008.qm@web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ujmTr7kVM1nPAUFHNfvJ2Uz_cCe.j_17s1_yor7FVljFeyfAlG0uXwHAY0h_a0xSq2CH8wnZRgb2hPjMK2K7jwpduB83rxfXYWNoA8Fk2WWkxdQqcjX5ce_zFnbUwJVHDclbwFStg99iQkA48UgC5LE1uBhfsgMHHEyYr01DxS6GQBw50XCkHqwh3YUQZ0y0vZTS3PuXTMaac7wRudXn6N5g4_N5OxvbIcZmHb2HZRX41Gm_Ce52UfxqdywYH2fl2uHGJwYmOeiL7fkME1vhtpjdFKX6ldfLADMjiGKeIWlWLbYMimhuOgorHDjeI7uZTa2M1mvspwZn25SmlYykXYVOdJrx5yszycinSrMFNmz.h9NbeWuiRFSACA-- Received: from [117.47.19.169] by web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 05:49:48 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/211.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 References: <8CC20A18146B671-30CC-A288@webmail-d058.sysops.aol.com><005201ca59eb$02dceca0$0896c5e0$@com><790216.2184.qm@web26606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><100.6824050047f3eb4a.004@comkal.net><122133.75491.qm@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><4AECA3B5.5080906@gmail.com> <4AECBC43.4060600@chucknorcutt.com><4AECC60C.6060104@gmail.com> <4AECE310.7000907@chucknorcutt.com> <185630.29060.qm@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:49:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Wood To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Auto Bellows on digital bodies X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 06:50:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefc48885761413256596 Piers Hemy wrote > Very nice job, Alan - I would quibble only with the term "click-stop > mechanism", because the diaphragm on the 20/3.5 has no clicks as best I > recall. My 20mm f/3,5 has=A0its diaphragm stuck wide open.=A0 The eSIF and instruct= ion leaflet only refer to the diaphragm as manual. Can anyone confirm whether it has click stops or not? Thank you -- = Alan Wood http://www.alanwood.net (Unicode, special characters, pesticide names) = = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 07:59:16 2009 Received: (qmail 27346 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 06:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 06:59:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5ADE1824C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43EB2E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:59:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE5A34AC024 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:59:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC91C34AC026 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:59:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:59:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA48C461639 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:26:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:59:08 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4AEF50B3.80708@sfr.fr> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEEA5AE.9010304@sfr.fr> <4AEF50B3.80708@sfr.fr> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: PAW 44 - Phx - Testing times -Chris X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 07:59:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefd4c4262711234514069 Majestic, Philippe! Where is it? Chris On 2 Nov 2009, at 21:35, Philippe Amard wrote: > Thanks for viewing Chris > > Another bite? > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 08:02:11 2009 Received: (qmail 29215 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 07:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 07:02:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A4AE181AE for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E9EE240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49601CD488 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:02:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2346A1CD48A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:02:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B78461645 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:29:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:02:03 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: Message-Id: <95B5FB03-DE7B-4AA6-B3C1-4256514C6BC1@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/11/2009: a friendship rekindled X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 08:02:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefd573210595683411216 Well done. Chris On 2 Nov 2009, at 18:25, Nathan wrote: > This picture was taken at 4 in the morning on 1 November. The two > people depicted were friends back when we were teenagers 30 years > ago. The guy on the right was in my class in high school. He is now > an environmental scientist and a talented jazz musician. The guy on > the left is blind (from birth). His hearing is phenomenal. When we > were young, he would play goalie in soccer and hear the ball come > towards him in the air. Later he became one of the most sought-after > piano tuners in Denmark. Unfortunately, still later, his life has > become marked by addiction and other problems, and he now sometimes > spends the night at a shelter for homeless people in which another > mutual friend is a volunteer. So on Saturday night (or rather, Sunday > morning), on the way home from our high school reunion, we stopped by > the shelter to allow the two former friends to be reunited: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#701004151_FUZid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 08:08:37 2009 Received: (qmail 23483 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 07:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 07:08:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA784E18200 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14AC1E240CB for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:08:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C338D1CD48E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:08:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5B71CD488 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:08:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:08:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E24461531 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:35:48 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:08:29 +0000 Message-Id: <1BB5DA9C-D9CF-4E39-A367-A8EAA1F62CE6@threeshoes.net> References: <4AEF03AC.9040105@verizon.net> <14883a8b0911021247p309f0404rddb8f74153cbe696@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 08:08:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefd6f5302259752976205 Nicely summarised, Andrew, although "faddish fearfulness" might be going a bit too far. I don't want GM for similar reasons to not wanting all the antibiotics that US animals have. We don't need a build-up of the chemicals but nor do we need more tasteless food with a potential for disaster. There would be no going back on GM, and I don't believe the promises made by the likes of Monsanto. And we probably have enough capacity for food production now if we organised it better ... Chris On 2 Nov 2009, at 21:40, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Agreed - two classes of things although GM is simply a way of doing > the same thing faster or even more strangely. > We had no problem producing low-grade, tasteless, cheap food by > selective breeding and hybridisation. Tough, square tomatoes come to > mind. > But GM fearfulness is a classic example of faddish behavior - there is > a faint possibility that we may produce a toxic hybrid but it's not > terribly likely. > And we eat plenty of foods with toxins in them anyway - I would > recommend not eating too many walnuts at one sitting as I know to my > cost. > > Faddish fearfulness is fuelled by people with an agenda - political or > commercial. The people who've convinced us to consume vast quantities > of bottled water, for instance. A good example is the current > popularity of 'gluten-free' foods. Gluten needs to be avoided by at > most 1% of the population with levels of coeliac disease - almost all > of them blue-eyed northern European ethnic types. For everyone else, > it's actually healthy. Very healthy. And as for the idea that a gluten > free diet helps control autistic behaviour - no actual proof > whatsoever. > > That said, I'm no fan of Monsanto. No, they aren't evil but they are > corporate. The were a chemical company until Plant Variety Rights > legislation was passed (and they were actively involved in promoting > it). Then they got into the seed business as a complementary activity > to glyphosate production (RoundUp). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 09:24:18 2009 Received: (qmail 26868 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 08:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 08:24:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5B4E181CF for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE53FE240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EAA1CD48B for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:24:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EC61CD48A for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:24:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so5911866yxe.22 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:24:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.100.17 with SMTP id x17mr9943895ybb.138.1257236651140; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:24:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0911030023v5d4d3833x7cf5e22beb373e32@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0911030023v5d4d3833x7cf5e22beb373e32@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:24:11 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0911030024l12014979n34631a22c81c4c1b@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Um, cosplay!!! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 09:24:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aefe8b2179151073733319 I shot FOUR events in 3 days, one event also including me dancing with a Tai Chi sword... However, some of these events and images are considered as NSFW (I am betting that very few people have photographed 5 totally naked with nothing but colorful body painted activists in this crowd...), and some may be boring as heck to you guys (Japanese Consulate celebrating sister city hood with Palo Alto and Tsuschiura). So I will give you this: http://www.rfman.com/SF-and-Fantasy-Conventions/Reborn-Yaoi-Con-09/B014427/700639206_tWsZT-L-1.jpg Don't click if you don't want to see women dressed up as guys, simulated (I hope) Violence, and otherwise people acting out... -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 09:57:48 2009 Received: (qmail 7805 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 08:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 08:57:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFDCE18256 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A52FE240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352C819DD57 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:57:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B057019DCB0 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:57:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:57:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:31847 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5FCs-0006X6-IM for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:57:39 -0600 Message-ID: <4AEFF079.9030900@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:57:29 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 09:57:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeff08c153807801554290 Maybe you should look at a filter from these guys, I have the ND vario with polariser and the quality is good. especially this one http://www.singh-ray.com/goldnblue.html On 02/11/2009 23:46, Brian Swale wrote: > Among the options I am considering currently, I include: (a) the Ambico > system of graduated filters to darken the sky. I have found all the filters and > holders but can't find the shade box. There are some on eBay. This will > lessen the "range of illumination" emanating from the bright sky problem. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 10:14:26 2009 Received: (qmail 1467 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 09:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 09:14:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D9BE181BA for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:14:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34718E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D8963610002 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:14:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D7934AC024 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:14:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:35254 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5FT1-00014W-CB for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:14:19 -0600 Message-ID: <4AEFF467.3090606@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:14:15 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: In-Reply-To: X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 10:14:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeff472177022517112723 When I was in USSR in the the mid 80's they had vending machines on most = streets dispensing Vodka they normally had a few little glass tumblers = on top of the machines, I guess the vodka sterilised everything I = searched for a photo of one which I am sure I took but couldn't find it. IanW On 02/11/2009 09:18, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Amusing but not even close to the strangest I heard of - machines in > Japan selling used (as in unwashed) girl's undies. > Auto-erotic Automat. > > How is it that no-one ever develops a fetish for something useful, > like ironing? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/11/2009, at 6:59 PM, Nathan wrote: > > = >> Perhaps I have a root of a project here: vending machines selling >> strange items. In the Atocha station in Madrid there is one selling >> inkjet cartridges; in the centre of =C5rhus, my hometown in Denmark, >> there is this: >> >> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/belgiangator/misc/20091030- >> L1008405.jpg.html >> >> >> = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 10:23:14 2009 Received: (qmail 16709 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 09:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 09:23:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9B0E18256 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65AA2E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:23:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433BC3610001 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:23:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EE734AC024 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:23:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:36702 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5FbW-0002WI-MX for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:23:07 -0600 Message-ID: <4AEFF676.6080405@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:23:02 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <4AEF03AC.9040105@verizon.net> <14883a8b0911021247p309f0404rddb8f74153cbe696@mail.gmail.com> <1BB5DA9C-D9CF-4E39-A367-A8EAA1F62CE6@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <1BB5DA9C-D9CF-4E39-A367-A8EAA1F62CE6@threeshoes.net> X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 10:23:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeff68273741220213263 My problem with this stuff is whether or not it's a "faddish annoyance" to some, I want them and me to be able to choose to eat such foods or not, (same as I want to be able to avoid wifi) whether or not you agree or disagree about the food shouldn't matter, wars were fought for the freedom of choice for men and woman, and I want this choice!. This freedom however goes against any governing bodies ideas and thus is continually being eroded. On 03/11/2009 08:08, Chris Barker wrote: > Nicely summarised, Andrew, although "faddish fearfulness" might be > going a bit too far. > > I don't want GM for similar reasons to not wanting all the antibiotics > that US animals have. We don't need a build-up of the chemicals but > nor do we need more tasteless food with a potential for disaster. > There would be no going back on GM, and I don't believe the promises > made by the likes of Monsanto. > > And we probably have enough capacity for food production now if we > organised it better ... > > Chris > > On 2 Nov 2009, at 21:40, Andrew Fildes wrote: > > > >> >> Faddish fearfulness is fuelled by people with an agenda - political or >> commercial. The people who've convinced us to consume vast quantities >> of bottled water, for instance. A good example is the current >> popularity of 'gluten-free' foods. Gluten needs to be avoided by at >> most 1% of the population with levels of coeliac disease - almost all >> of them blue-eyed northern European ethnic types. For everyone else, >> it's actually healthy. Very healthy. And as for the idea that a gluten >> free diet helps control autistic behaviour - no actual proof >> whatsoever. >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 10:55:19 2009 Received: (qmail 22653 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 09:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 09:55:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D2AE18244 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:55:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592E0E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:55:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351CE34AC027 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:55:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9338034AC026 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:55:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:55:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11699 invoked by uid 502); 3 Nov 2009 09:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.197.85) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2009 09:55:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4AEFFDF8.7090603@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:55:04 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0B960D80-810C-43F6-907F-D74117170DC7@roadrunner.com> <4AE8884A.7000202@verizon.net> <28D7A5F1-DE3E-4C86-80C2-400A478D57F8@roadrunner.com> <4AED4C52.9030101@gmail.com> <4AED51C5.1000203@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Sunset, Bass Harbor X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 10:55:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4aeffe0760425368819438 Ken Norton wrote: > Very nice, Moose. This photo shows the one flaw of digital imaging, though. The sun turned into a solarized blob-o-light. Not your fault--unfortunately there isn't much we can do about it. > > (other than shoot film) > Certainly one solution. Still a blob, but not solarized. Another solution is to wait until the sun is behind something, as here. And And if I had my wits about me, bracketed exposures to get one 2 stops down of the sun to drop in. I never seem to remember those tricks built into the camera. Still mired in film technique, I suppose, although not as deeply as some. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 11:28:10 2009 Received: (qmail 26329 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 10:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 10:28:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD5DE1819D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294B9E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDC619E115 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:28:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB0019E0E9 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:28:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2292 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2009 10:28:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091102-0, 11/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 11:28:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af005ba320401006886880 One can control lighting ratios with OM TTL flash but only by controlling the distance of each flash from the subject. Manual power control of each light is much easier but the T-32 is ill-suited to that task. Dr. Flash Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Yes, he is, no doubt. > > Why not two daisy chained t32, one a PBG2 and another on a t20 ttl otf adapter ? > > Maybe I'm not understanding what 'daisy chained' means: > A T-series flash can be connected to another unit by means of one / > several ttl otf cable, and do ttl otf metering. > Not as good as a flash meter perhaps, but almost. > > This was long discussed at this list, and here it was where I learned so. > > By no means I'm saying he's not correct - 'though I think I'm correct too. > I've tried what I read and learned here, tested it, and it works: > flash units are all fired and quenched simultaneously, and this set up > is _not_ intended to vary lighting ratios for main and fill: only for > a full dump. Maybe this purpose (full dump only) is what's leading us > to a misunderstanding. > > TIA > > Fernando. > > 2009/11/3 Chuck Norcutt : >> Mike has it correct. The daisy-chained flash units will all be fired >> and quenched simultaneously. What one will have a very difficult time >> doing is establishing lighting ratios for main and fill, etc. Just get >> a meter and shoot manually. >> >> Dr. Flash >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 11:39:19 2009 Received: (qmail 7402 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 10:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 10:39:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD41E182B7 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C76E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:39:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7891F19E185 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:39:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D90E19E172 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:39:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13841 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 10:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.171.156) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 10:33:31 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AEFF676.6080405@picturepedia.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:39:09 +1100 References: <4AEF03AC.9040105@verizon.net> <14883a8b0911021247p309f0404rddb8f74153cbe696@mail.gmail.com> <1BB5DA9C-D9CF-4E39-A367-A8EAA1F62CE6@threeshoes.net> <4AEFF676.6080405@picturepedia.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 11:39:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af00856315381950411718 Fine, so long as you have real choices. These are often distractions. Think of cars - they'll cheerfully offer you a choice of colour but real choices? They'll make what they can make, cheaply, and then persuade you to buy it. People might demand the right to buy a shirt made in the US, or UK or Aus. - until they discover that the Chinese one is a quarter of the price. Then their principles tend to vapourise. Generally our choices are rather tightly controlled by limiting the offers and other, more subtle mechanisms. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/11/2009, at 8:23 PM, SwissPace wrote: > My problem with this stuff is whether or not it's a "faddish > annoyance" > to some, I want them and me to be able to choose to eat such foods or > not, (same as I want to be able to avoid wifi) whether or not you > agree > or disagree about the food shouldn't matter, wars were fought for the > freedom of choice for men and woman, and I want this choice!. This > freedom however goes against any governing bodies ideas and thus is > continually being eroded. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 11:43:09 2009 Received: (qmail 10469 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 10:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 10:43:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507A7E1829E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:43:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEAAE240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9733610005 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:43:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BF93610003 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:43:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KSJ007V44FQMD51@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:43:02 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-89-230-16.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.230.16]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:45:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:42:49 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <969BE793D5AF4FBD9200B2243F83A886@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0OAHuY70oYWeYQ/2dsb2JhbACBSokX0lQKhDMEhQU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,673,1249268400"; d="scan'208";a="621506550" X-EsetScannerBuild: 5959 References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 11:43:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0093d271075683411216 CH ............... 6029.jpg, that's the Star Ferry terminal, Kowloon side ? If so, is the terminal in the same place as it was in the 1970s jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure >I do have lots of shots with sky :-) : > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/eu04-1.htm > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/eu04-2.htm > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/eu04-3.htm > > It is not easy to get good sky in Hong Kong but it depends on the time :-) > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6029.jpg > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Swale" > > >> Take for example, Nathan, CH Ling, Jim Nichols, Marc, and often Wayne >> Harridge; their photos frequently exclude sky. They are of concrete, >> tarseal, >> buildings, people, indoors, closeup flowers. There is not a wide range >> of >> illumination where the viewer might expect good detail in all parts - >> dark >> and >> light. >> And their images have good exposure in part (I suggest) because there is >> no or little sky. >> Ansel Adams managed this with B&W which generally has far greater >> latitude than digital or colour transparency, but even he developed a >> system >> to get the most out of the range.. >> And incidentally, the wider range that colour print film copes with is >> the >> main >> reason I shoot so much print film rather than transparency film. >> ............ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4568 (20091103) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4568 (20091103) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 12:13:10 2009 Received: (qmail 15182 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 11:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 11:13:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A797CE18256 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FA2E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:13:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC2F3610001 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:13:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A4834AC024 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:13:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:12:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3389849.16221257247585519.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 673 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:26:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:12:56 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] What's Missing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 12:13:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af01046223461879814018 For exactly the same reasons as why certain people would claim that happiness is an ancient, primitive, simplistic 1987 Ferrari F40, or a 154 Mercedes 300SL Gullwing. For the same reasons why some people would spend ages creating an imperfect reproduction of a scene using thick layers of very expensive, slow-drying oil paint. No more, no less. It's called "passion", I think... On 03 Nov 2009, at 12:52 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > So, why then is film the "better choice" for some applications? Why > does > film have that "I can identify that photograph from across the room" > characteristic? Even Photoshop actions and plugins that mimick film > don't > even come close. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 12:22:35 2009 Received: (qmail 19621 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 11:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 11:22:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFF3E18246 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1038E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9559A34AC025 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:22:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158A134AC026 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:22:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5574 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2009 11:22:28 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091102-0, 11/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 12:22:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0127b206872439112457 No, I think the heart of the problem is your unwillingness to adapt to the new medium. You want to continue to shoot like the E-3 is an OM-4. The problem is that it isn't an OM-4 although in some respects it's a bit like an OM-4 with slide film. While the E-3 doesn't have the dynamic range of negative film it easily exceeds the dynamic range of slide film. And for the image that caused all this trouble (the vinyard with sky), an inspection of the histogram on that image shows that the camera actually comes very close to containing the full dynamic range. Had the shot been exposed at 1/2 to 2/3 stop less the sky details would have been fully captured and only some small amount of shadow detail pushed to black. Had the shot with reduced exposure also been made in raw form likely all of the tonal detail would have been retained. All of our cameras using reflected light meters are going to have some idiosyncracies in measuring exposure. But these idiosyncracies can be understood by comparing the meter's recommendation with the histogram of the resulting image. Like Moose, I find that the 5D usually wants a correction of -2/3 stop to avoid blowing highlights. Furthermore, for any truly important shot one can always review the histogram immediately after the shot and make appropriate adjustments. This is an absolutely lovely shot and works because the limited dynamic range is fully contained. But for those that are not contained one must decide what to do with the tails of the distribution. Graduated filters are certainly one solution for cases of extreme dynamic range but are a film solution. I think blending multiple exposures is a better solution for digital. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > On thinking about discussion of my landscapes, it strikes me that the heart > of the matter (problem, if there is one) lies with the inability of OM digital to > cope with a wide range of illumination. > > Thinks of Ansel Adams who pioneered and rationalised thought on this > topic. Hence his Zone System. Zone 10?? > > Allied with this is the clever or not so clever computer programming inside > the E-3 and E-510. The E-1 is a camera I relate to more; pity Olympus > didn't offer an option for 10+ megapixels inside the E-1 body ... > > Take for example, Nathan, CH Ling, Jim Nichols, Marc, and often Wayne > Harridge; their photos frequently exclude sky. They are of concrete, tarseal, > buildings, people, indoors, closeup flowers. There is not a wide range of > illumination where the viewer might expect good detail in all parts - dark and > light. > And their images have good exposure in part (I suggest) because there is > no or little sky. > Ansel Adams managed this with B&W which generally has far greater > latitude than digital or colour transparency, but even he developed a system > to get the most out of the range.. > And incidentally, the wider range that colour print film copes with is the main > reason I shoot so much print film rather than transparency film. > > For my sins and preference, I shoot mainly landscape; though my g/f prefers > my flower shots and a set I took of male-female flowers (see this lot on > facebook) > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=9275&id=1027725807&l=cc7871c > adf > > so for landscapes I have to do better with managing the cameras which > have the most pixies. > Among the options I am considering currently, I include: (a) the Ambico > system of graduated filters to darken the sky. I have found all the filters and > holders but can't find the shade box. There are some on eBay. This will > lessen the "range of illumination" emanating from the bright sky problem. > > (b) Using something like the OM4 to set exposure as I already do for my > manual film cameras - if I have an interesting scene where I will want to try a > range of compositions (and I know that the E-3 will alter the exposure for > every composition even though the illumination of the scene has not > changed one iota), I will want to set one reliable combination of speed and > aperture on manual and leave that constant through the set of shots. > > (c) avoid including sky - but there are many times when I might want to > have 80% sky but still require to see detail on the ground. > > (d) and having stabilised exposure, I also have to simultaneously find a way > to cause the camera to focus on a spot I decide upon - be it near or far - > while I move the frame to get the composition I want. Easy with film - but > digital ? > > As an aside, if you wondered why I spent two hours photographing Mt Cook > et al; here's a shot in the exact same area, under very different weather > conditions. A good view is NOT guaranteed. > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=186819&l=be8beb2d85&id=10277 > 25807 > > I guess I am feeling grumpy this morning about several sets of issues where > computers are at the core; this Windows machine- the other day it said I had > just 900MB free - and now it has 3.3 Gb free. What has it deleted?? > Digital cameras and their computer management, and last but not least, I > have just taken my 4x4 to hospital because at least in part one or more of its > durned computers is/are misbehaving - AGAIN !! I bought that thing to > reliably take me to where the scenes are. Rant over. > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 12:33:24 2009 Received: (qmail 3403 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 11:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 11:33:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2212E18279 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D799E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3096519E37A for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:33:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B861719E375 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:33:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-web16-z01 ([10.127.132.107]) by cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091103113317576.XKUE10304@cdptpa-smta02.mail.rr.com>; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:33:17 +0000 Message-ID: <20091103113317.KB5QL.8928.root@cdptpa-web16-z01> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 6:33:17 -0500 From: To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AEF519C.7000709@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: Cc: Moose Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 12:33:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0150482481744846740 Y'know, I think I prefer the natural element variation. It's more apparent what the object is, but there's also a certain something that's missing from the first version. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com ---- Moose wrote: > I had some difficulty choosing between the 'pure' abstract and one with > a natural element. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 12:43:53 2009 Received: (qmail 14789 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 11:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 11:43:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E99AE1819F for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:43:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4D7E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:43:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932EA3610001 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:43:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33B934AC026 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:43:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nA3BhgKB005891 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:43:42 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA3BhgC8025877 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:43:42 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <4547513E1AF14BEB954046A939F6FCAB@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <969BE793D5AF4FBD9200B2243F83A886@hudson> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:43:17 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 12:43:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af01778118142517112723 Hi John, Yes, it is Star Ferry terminal in Kowloon side, the same location since 1970s. It was the Star Ferry terminal in HK Island has moved. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure > CH ............... 6029.jpg, that's the Star Ferry terminal, Kowloon side > ? > > If so, is the terminal in the same place as it was in the 1970s > > jh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C.H.Ling" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure > > >>I do have lots of shots with sky :-) : >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/eu04-1.htm >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/eu04-2.htm >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/eu04-3.htm >> >> It is not easy to get good sky in Hong Kong but it depends on the time >> :-) >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6029.jpg >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brian Swale" > >> >>> Take for example, Nathan, CH Ling, Jim Nichols, Marc, and often Wayne >>> Harridge; their photos frequently exclude sky. They are of concrete, >>> tarseal, >>> buildings, people, indoors, closeup flowers. There is not a wide range >>> of >>> illumination where the viewer might expect good detail in all parts - >>> dark >>> and >>> light. >>> And their images have good exposure in part (I suggest) because there is >>> no or little sky. >>> Ansel Adams managed this with B&W which generally has far greater >>> latitude than digital or colour transparency, but even he developed a >>> system >>> to get the most out of the range.. >>> And incidentally, the wider range that colour print film copes with is >>> the >>> main >>> reason I shoot so much print film rather than transparency film. >>> ............ >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 4568 (20091103) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4568 (20091103) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 13:18:49 2009 Received: (qmail 14348 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 12:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 12:18:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23E8E1824E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFFDE240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F48134AC027 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:18:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D028634AC025 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:18:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12126 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2009 12:18:39 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2009 12:18:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF01F9E.4030105@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:18:38 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AF01273.2020006@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF01273.2020006@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091102-0, 11/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 13:18:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af01fa9239141879814018 Here are some simple digital blending techniques in place of graduated ND filters. This page goes back quite a ways... before there were HDR techniques embedded in PS. Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > This is an absolutely lovely shot > > and works because the limited dynamic range is fully contained. But for > those that are not contained one must decide what to do with the tails > of the distribution. Graduated filters are certainly one solution for > cases of extreme dynamic range but are a film solution. I think > blending multiple exposures is a better solution for digital. > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 13:31:49 2009 Received: (qmail 11153 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 12:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 12:31:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9951E18277 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C42E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD0A34AC029 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A401234AC024 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:31:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2111.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 374D67000125 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:31:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2111.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0B38D7000119 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:31:41 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091103123142460.0B38D7000119@msfrf2111.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF022B8.4060308@sfr.fr> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:31:52 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEEA5AE.9010304@sfr.fr> <4AEF50B3.80708@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: PAW 44 - Phx - Testing times -Chris X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 13:31:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af022b4143921744846740 Chris Barker wrote: >Majestic, Philippe! Where is it? > > > Engelberg, Central Switzerland (Obwald) In the middle of the Alps, right there : http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130906.jpg.html Both taken with the ZD 50-200 on a L1. Best Phx >Chris > >On 2 Nov 2009, at 21:35, Philippe Amard wrote: > > > >>Thanks for viewing Chris >> >>Another bite? >>http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html >> >> >> > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 13:39:20 2009 Received: (qmail 22380 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 12:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 12:39:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E76E18256 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:39:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4554E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7C834AC028 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:39:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618C734AC026 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:39:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:62443 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5IfJ-0006S5-RE for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:39:14 -0600 Message-ID: <4AF02469.7090608@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:39:05 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AF01273.2020006@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF01F9E.4030105@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF01F9E.4030105@chucknorcutt.com> X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [OM] sometimes you shouldn't window shop - 5D X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 13:39:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0247829361744846740 On my usual lunchtime stroll through town on Tuesdays I usually check the local camera shop second hand window to see if anything new was brought in over the weekend. Today I see the two 5D bodies that have been sitting there for about a year at 1800CHF havd been reduced to a more realistic 1169 CHF (at the moment a swiss franc is about a dollar 0.96) . If I didn't have a camera buying ban still in force and some money in the bank I would probably have jumped, I may still do but I wonder if I should wait a bit and get the 5DmkII version which will allow me HD video and I presume has even better high iso - I would be using it mainly with my zuiko's , but I am finding that photographing children (esp. handicapped) in available light is too much for my E-3. On another subject I have spent many hours trying to get decent prints from my E-3 using aperture, photoshop, qimage etc. so imagine my surprise when I just clicked print in Oly studio (just out of interest) to find that out popped a print exactly as I saw it on screen. IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 13:44:14 2009 Received: (qmail 23214 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 12:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 12:44:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35FCE182A1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550F6E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:44:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E6D19E674 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:44:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD28F19E67E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:44:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:44:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so1535684ewy.14 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:44:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.37 with SMTP id s37mr676592hbg.90.1257252243365; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:44:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:44:03 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. 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[127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E3C34AC026 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:45:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:45:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.171] (171.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.171]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825083DA1F0 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 01:45:23 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:45:22 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AF0DCB2.8044.373AAC@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091102-0, 02/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 13:45:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af025ef163191234514069 CH Ling wrote > > >I do have lots of shots with sky :-) : > > > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/eu04-1.htm > > > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/eu04-2.htm > > > > http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/eu04-3.htm > > > > It is not easy to get good sky in Hong Kong but it depends on the time > :-) > > > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6029.jpg True, and I especially like what you achieve with the Zuiko 75-150. Many of your shots with sky happen to have sky and land at equivalent illumination; but I hasten to add, not all, and in these you have found something of the problem that I have to learn how to manage - bright sky with dark land component, in the same image. Some of your shots >From - http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/eu04-1.htm Wonderful!! http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/P8193495.html Wow - http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/P8183210.html I agree that http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6029.jpg has sky, and that is a wonderful shot. But the illumination of the sky does not challenge the illumination of the rest of the image. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 13:54:28 2009 Received: (qmail 15660 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 12:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 12:54:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C80E181B9 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173EEE240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFED734AC029 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:54:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350F834AC028 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:54:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:54:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.171] (171.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.171]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78863DA473 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 01:54:21 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:54:21 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AF0DECD.16843.3F7230@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091102-0, 02/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 13:54:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0280487701357919056 SwissPace wrote >Maybe you should look at a filter from these guys, I have the ND vario >with polariser and the quality is good. >especially this one > http://www.singh-ray.com/goldnblue.html Thanks Ian; I did remember their adverts a day ago- but now that I don't get USA photo mags any more I don't see their adverts. Prices a bit steep for me just now. Some time soon I will post one or two pairs of images using my sunscreen polariser specs in front of the lens; but not right at the moment as it's middle of the night and I'm up to my frequent (unwanted) trick of not sleeping after midnight - so go and catch the OM digest for entertainment/company. 2am and back to bed! Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 14:05:58 2009 Received: (qmail 214 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 13:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 13:05:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F040E18279 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CBEE240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:05:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BC634AC029 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:05:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F35A34AC027 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:05:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:05:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so1557246ewy.14 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 05:05:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.136 with SMTP id a8mr923515wef.77.1257253549357; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 05:05:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF02469.7090608@picturepedia.org> References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AF01273.2020006@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF01F9E.4030105@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF02469.7090608@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:05:49 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911030505q439ddaecv8a9844b083127dcb@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] sometimes you shouldn't window shop - 5D X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 14:05:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af02ab6133201006886880 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:39 AM, SwissPace wrote: > On my usual lunchtime stroll through town on Tuesdays I usually check > the local camera shop second hand window to see if anything new was > brought in over the weekend. Today I see the two 5D bodies that have > been sitting there for about a year at 1800CHF havd been reduced to a > more realistic 1169 CHF (at the moment a swiss franc is about a dollar > 0.96) . If I didn't have a camera buying ban still in force and some > money in the bank =A0I would probably have jumped, I may still do but I > wonder if I should wait a bit and get the 5DmkII version which will > allow me HD video and I presume has even better high iso - I would be > using it mainly with my zuiko's , but I am finding that photographing > children (esp. handicapped) =A0in available light is too much for my E-3. Having waited this long (I'm speaking for myself rather than you), I'm not sure I would want the 5D now knowing what the mkII has: LV and at least some sort of sensor duster. Live View would be pretty essential to me since I would want to use Zuikos as much as possible. Most of the Canonistas on list don't seem to use their Zuikos on the 5D. That tells me something. What is the limitation you are experiencing with the E-3? Is the AF too slow, high ISO too grainy? > On another subject I have spent many hours trying to get decent prints > from my E-3 using aperture, photoshop, =A0qimage etc. so imagine my > surprise when I just clicked print in Oly studio (just out of interest) > to find that =A0out popped a print exactly as I saw it on screen. It seems odd that only Studio could match the screen. I'm pretty satisfied with PS, but I have a calibrated monitor and build my own profiles for the various papers I use. The only limitation I tend to see is the DR of the monitor (an old Dell LCD). I guess I don't see myself switching to Studio to print, but I'm curious about your setup. I believe you have a much better monitor than I have, so possibly you are seeing subtleties that aren't even possible with my gear. But I've got Studio using the same monitor profile as PS and just don't see anything in the print that leads me to feel that PS is messing anything up, so I can't fathom why you are seeing such a difference. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 14:07:05 2009 Received: (qmail 25667 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 13:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 13:07:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71E9E1824C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD795E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C13834AC025 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:06:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27EC534AC024 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:06:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21399 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2009 13:06:32 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091102-0, 11/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] sometimes you shouldn't window shop - 5D X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 14:07:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af02af995435034211378 The 5D goes to ISO 1600 in normal mode and 3200 in expanded mode. The 5D Mk II goes to 6400 in normal mode and to 25,600 in expanded mode. The Mk II is certainly a nice camera but it will be three years before you see it selling for the price of a used 5D. What does it mean to miss 3 years of available light photos of the kids (assuming that 3200 is enough)? Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > On my usual lunchtime stroll through town on Tuesdays I usually check > the local camera shop second hand window to see if anything new was > brought in over the weekend. Today I see the two 5D bodies that have > been sitting there for about a year at 1800CHF havd been reduced to a > more realistic 1169 CHF (at the moment a swiss franc is about a dollar > 0.96) . If I didn't have a camera buying ban still in force and some > money in the bank I would probably have jumped, I may still do but I > wonder if I should wait a bit and get the 5DmkII version which will > allow me HD video and I presume has even better high iso - I would be > using it mainly with my zuiko's , but I am finding that photographing > children (esp. handicapped) in available light is too much for my E-3. > > On another subject I have spent many hours trying to get decent prints > from my E-3 using aperture, photoshop, qimage etc. so imagine my > surprise when I just clicked print in Oly studio (just out of interest) > to find that out popped a print exactly as I saw it on screen. > > IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 14:16:10 2009 Received: (qmail 25681 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 13:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 13:16:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00BCE18229 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F6AE240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0D134AC025 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:16:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC8934AC024 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:15:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:15:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSJ00LRBBIC0563@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:15:49 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AF02D06.4090303@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:15:50 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEE7AF8.9020307@gmail.com> <9e908c1f0911020611k61af2bb8q9434d3803d1ffd39@mail.gmail.com> In-reply-to: <9e908c1f0911020611k61af2bb8q9434d3803d1ffd39@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] What did Moosie see? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 14:16:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af02d1a39151612113968 Gorgeous! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Joel Wilcox wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Moose wrote: >> A sight on Mt. Desert. >> >> >> >> Moose > > Add a me too on the likey counter. > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 14:30:17 2009 Received: (qmail 21838 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 13:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 13:30:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0E8E181AE for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350C9E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F89B34AC025 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:30:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEBC34AC024 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:30:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSJ00FDTC61OWI3@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:30:02 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AF0305D.5010702@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:30:05 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEF0477.1090706@verizon.net> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] How do you say near mint? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 14:30:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0306883541357919056 .....you can just about smell the mold...... ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ken Norton wrote: >> No telling what condition it is really in. Good prism? By now, just >> sitting around staying mint, maybe not. Really low serial number, not >> so good. At current price a good deal. >> > > > A total closet queen. I shudder to think of how many layers of fungus have > built up on the glass. > > One thing about buying a beater--at least you know it DID work and must have > been quite reliable. As much as I love the OM-2S, I don't think I'd ever > risk buying a beauty-queen. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 14:39:04 2009 Received: (qmail 32285 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 13:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 13:39:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01420E1822D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68285E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:38:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F1119E89A for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:38:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B639A19E89F for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:38:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jgettis81@earthlink.net whitelisted) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.175.75.103] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N5Jb7-0001Wl-JK for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:38:58 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220091123133857193@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:38:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da940818f4912f9477b833bd057d029c82066350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.75.103 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] The Curse of the Lost Lens Cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 14:39:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af03278226084877110844 Some months ago I came home from a trip to see my sister and while cleaning up my camera case I found that I had lost one of the 67mm lens caps off my 50-200. I searched the case and looked through my duffel bag with my clothes and did not find it. I called my sister several times and had her search her home and car and the areas we shot photos in. (she is a canon user but is family so what are you going to do?). Nothing found so I gave up and searched for a replacement on the web. Found one at a price I liked but not instock and shipping I thought was too high so I decided to wait until I had something else I needed and order it then. Well recently I purchased a E-30 camera and the night before going down to pick it up I ordered one off E-bay. Forward to camera shop while waiting to be rung up I was browsing the counters and picked up another one having forgot that I had bought one off E-bay. (Wifes fault she normally provides the ADULT supervison that she says I need in a place like that. She stay in car reading her book.). Forward to next day which I had off and I needed to make room in the backpack case I carry my E-500 in for the new camera. I cleaned off the dining room table and took every thing out of the case in preperation for rearranging it. Last place to empty is a large pocket on the back That I use for snacks and to keep my hat when I am not wearing it. Last item to come out the missing lens cap so now I have three. jgettis81@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 14:48:45 2009 Received: (qmail 6688 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 13:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 13:48:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE893E181CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10216E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE23A34AC027 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:48:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903EF34AC025 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:48:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:48:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091103134839695.HQLX9287@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:48:39 +0000 Message-Id: <522EABCF-D514-4183-ACF2-1500D01598B3@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:48:39 -0500 References: <4AEEA5AE.9010304@sfr.fr> <4AEF50B3.80708@sfr.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: PAW 44 - Phx - Testing times -Chris X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 14:48:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af034bd11151073733319 Wow. I missed that one first time around. Very moody. Lord of the Rings-ish. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Nov 3, 2009, at 1:59 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Majestic, Philippe! Where is it? > > Chris > > On 2 Nov 2009, at 21:35, Philippe Amard wrote: > >> Thanks for viewing Chris >> >> Another bite? >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 14:56:07 2009 Received: (qmail 32506 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 13:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 13:56:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F95BE182AF for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:56:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A3CE240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4289619E934 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:56:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E2B19E8EB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:56:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSJ00DLSDD81JP4@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:55:56 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AF0366D.5000402@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:55:57 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55611D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> <6f8422750911021057h44c50759yee8a3c79efbbce50@mail.gmail.com> <4AEF36CB.2000608@gmail.com> In-reply-to: <4AEF36CB.2000608@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 14:56:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af03677301581220213263 If necessary you can put a T32 in the shoe and use ttl cord out of the side to connect other flash units. You don't get true main / fill light effect as the camera will just average the 2 flash outputs together. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Moose wrote: > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> Yes, absolutely. >> Shutter will remain open if flash output was not enough. >> OTOH, the OM 2n will close at 1/60, regardless the accuracy of the exposure. >> > > One may achieve the same result with OM-2n/shoe 4, OM-2S, OM-4 series > and OMPC simply by covering the third contact with a bit of tape. > > When I listed TTL flash contact in my reasons to prefer the OM-4 series, > I was actually referring to the TTL cord connector on the front of the > body. Oly made adapters to replace the shoe on either 2 or 2n with such > a connector, but one cannot use both shoe mounted flash and remote flash > in TTL-OTF mode at once**. As main and fill light, for example. > > I suspect it doesn't matter for the 20mm macros, but might for other > set-ups one might later want. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 14:59:13 2009 Received: (qmail 20979 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 13:59:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 13:59:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CFBE182B2 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6F0E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBBE34AC025 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:59:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BEAF34AC024 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:59:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSJ00A3XDI4WQI9@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:58:52 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AF0371F.9030001@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:58:55 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEF03AC.9040105@verizon.net> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 14:59:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af03731240341357919056 Modern day genetically altered foods were leaked into the food supply without proper testing. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Sue Pearce wrote: >> The whole concept of genetically altered seed (or anything in our food >> supply of which there is a lot) is troubling all by itself. >> ___________________________________ > Shouldn't be, as we have been eating the results of older tech genetic > modification all our lives. The modern version is a high tech way of > speeding the process. > > Bill Pearce > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 15:00:57 2009 Received: (qmail 718 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 14:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 14:00:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7367FE181CD for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:00:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A043E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:00:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBC834AC027 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:00:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0D534AC024 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:00:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:00:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so733482gvf.21 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:00:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.50.22 with SMTP id c22mr7142muk.54.1257256850272; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:00:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF005AF.10101@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CC2A2B34188EDC-76B0-18450@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> <4AEFA28B.8020702@chucknorcutt.com> <6f8422750911022040ve1f6443m4f342524a7a4145a@mail.gmail.com> <4AF005AF.10101@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:00:50 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911030600x5e38bddfm878ff12c5f8a71e9@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 15:00:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af03799286812013633067 Yes, yes, quite so - have several examples testing this issue. My awkward setup (not 'mine', of course) assumes subject and flashes are at the same distance: hence, it's not intended to vary lighting ratios. I wish I had been clever enough to have bought a flash meter back when I had the opportunity to pay almost nothing for a very good unit. OTOH, if I plan to make a photograph which needs control of lighting ratios, I have fun doing the maths - rarely do I need to do anything further than basic maths, so when I have to face such a thing it makes me smile other than sweat. There's still another topic related to this one, which I've been lazy to study and test: how to properly use a couple of ND filters which fit onto the front of a t32, in manual mode (GN 32 or 16). Further, there's another which I brought to discuss here some years ago ... and remained unsolved. It leads to another more complex problem, but better one at its time. Fernando. 2009/11/3 Chuck Norcutt : > One can control lighting ratios with OM TTL flash but only by > controlling the distance of each flash from the subject. =A0Manual power > control of each light is much easier but the T-32 is ill-suited to that > task. > > Dr. Flash > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 15:01:18 2009 Received: (qmail 6510 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 14:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 14:01:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313C4E182B8 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1878E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:01:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B7E34AC028 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:01:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B87D34AC027 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:01:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:01:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:9783 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5Jwc-0005w4-CS for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:01:10 -0600 Message-ID: <4AF037A0.4040701@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:01:04 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AF01273.2020006@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF01F9E.4030105@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF02469.7090608@picturepedia.org> <9e908c1f0911030505q439ddaecv8a9844b083127dcb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0911030505q439ddaecv8a9844b083127dcb@mail.gmail.com> X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] sometimes you shouldn't window shop - 5D X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 15:01:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af037ae76936107113666 Please see comments below > Having waited this long (I'm speaking for myself rather than you), I'm > not sure I would want the 5D now knowing what the mkII has: LV and at > > I think you are right, next year we have less needed to be spent on the house and I think I will wait for the 5DMkII > What is the limitation you are experiencing with the E-3? Is the AF > too slow, high ISO too grainy? > To be fair I wasn't using the 12-60 but a 14-54 although focussing didn't seem to much of a problem it was mainly motion blur that was the problem, I have my auto iso limit set at 800, I find going above that requires much more work post (I have neat image etc.) These children can be very hyperactive (will post some pics soon). > >> On another subject I have spent many hours trying to get decent prints >> from my E-3 using aperture, photoshop, qimage etc. so imagine my >> surprise when I just clicked print in Oly studio (just out of interest) >> to find that out popped a print exactly as I saw it on screen. >> > It seems odd that only Studio could match the screen. I'm pretty > satisfied with PS, but I have a calibrated monitor and build my own > profiles for the various papers I use. The only limitation I tend to > see is the DR of the monitor (an old Dell LCD). I guess I don't see > myself switching to Studio to print, but I'm curious about your setup. > I believe you have a much better monitor than I have, so possibly you > are seeing subtleties that aren't even possible with my gear. But > I've got Studio using the same monitor profile as PS and just don't > see anything in the print that leads me to feel that PS is messing > anything up, so I can't fathom why you are seeing such a difference. > > Joel W. > I maybe misled you a bit, I can get good results from aperture but it took a lot of effort to get it that way, and maybe studio benefitted from that. I have a fully calibrated system (colormunki), but when I print from aperture I have to adjust the gamma and do little tweaks (and as we have discussed before aperture or adobe raw do not develop raw images as well as studio) wheras from studio I just clicked and got what I saw on screen. They now all use the same printer profile but I am guessing they all do their own little changes before sending. With both issues though the main problem for me is time and not learning to use the equipment properly which is why I need a new body, which I also will not know how to use properly ;-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 15:03:57 2009 Received: (qmail 11371 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 14:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 14:03:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB4BE18200 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:03:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F933E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:03:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D4034AC026 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:03:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C382834AC02A for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:03:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSJ00BPFDPXIYMK@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:03:33 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AF03838.9020400@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:03:36 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEF03AC.9040105@verizon.net> <14883a8b0911021247p309f0404rddb8f74153cbe696@mail.gmail.com> In-reply-to: <14883a8b0911021247p309f0404rddb8f74153cbe696@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 15:03:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0384d137711612113968 Thank you for the clarification of what I was thinking but was unable to put into words. I read of a plant that was modified in such a way to kill certain bugs that ate it. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Charles Geilfuss wrote: > In fairness to John, I think we've been talking of two different things. > Humans have been hybridizing plants since we stopped chasing animals and > started scratching at the dirt with a stick in an attempt to feed ourselves. > And its a good thing otherwise we'd still be eating ears of corn the size of > those that Tom Hanks tried to eat in "Big". I certainly don't object to > eating foods that have been created by hybridizing plants or animals that > have desirable traits. I would prefer that they be made more tasty but > certainly understand the need for more production. > What I am not interested in consuming is a food item that has had genes > from who-knows-where-or-what inserted into their genome for who-knows-what > reason: resistance to the latest herbicide so they can use buckets of the > stuff; the ability for a plant to produce its own pesticide; a gene to make > the plant glow in the dark so they can harvest at night. I'm being facetious > of course, but you get the point. Now I'm sure all this new food has been > tested out the wazoo with no ill effects, but then so were any number of > medications that had to be withdrawn from the market for unexpected side > effects years after there introduction. > > Charlie (stepping off the soap box) > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > >>> The whole concept of genetically altered seed (or anything in our food >>> supply of which there is a lot) is troubling all by itself. >>> ___________________________________ >> Shouldn't be, as we have been eating the results of older tech genetic >> modification all our lives. The modern version is a high tech way of >> speeding the process. >> >> Bill Pearce >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 15:05:14 2009 Received: (qmail 15709 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 14:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 14:05:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9A1E18229 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E3CE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF66019E9AD for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:04:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC1619E9B2 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:04:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so734750gvf.21 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:04:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.125.19 with SMTP id c19mr8044mun.59.1257257071829; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:04:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF0366D.5000402@verizon.net> References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55611D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> <6f8422750911021057h44c50759yee8a3c79efbbce50@mail.gmail.com> <4AEF36CB.2000608@gmail.com> <4AF0366D.5000402@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:04:31 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911030604j64c83155va133f193be0df70f@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 15:05:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0389a69171258626592 Yes, please see my addendum, interlined: 2009/11/3 John Hermanson : > If necessary you can put a T32 in the shoe ----- or in the PBG2-------------. > and use ttl cord out of the > side to connect other flash units. =A0You don't get true main / fill light > effect as the camera will just average the 2 flash outputs together. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson =A0| =A0 CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 =A0| =A0www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 15:06:50 2009 Received: (qmail 3674 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 14:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 14:06:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7311FE1822D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC6AE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FCE34AC027 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:06:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C836C34AC024 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:06:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.10]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:06:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2219.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 56EDB70004A4 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:06:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2219.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3108070000AA for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:06:41 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091103140642200.3108070000AA@msfrf2219.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF03912.2000901@sfr.fr> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:07:14 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEEA5AE.9010304@sfr.fr> <4AEF50B3.80708@sfr.fr> <522EABCF-D514-4183-ACF2-1500D01598B3@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: <522EABCF-D514-4183-ACF2-1500D01598B3@roadrunner.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: PAW 44 - Phx - Testing times -Bob X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 15:06:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af038fa14401413256596 Much obliged Bob. Happy it pleases you. Thanks for viewing. Phx Bob Whitmire wrote: >Wow. I missed that one first time around. Very moody. Lord of the >Rings-ish. > >--Bob Whitmire >www.bwp33.com > > > > >On Nov 3, 2009, at 1:59 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > > > >>Majestic, Philippe! Where is it? >> >>Chris >> >>On 2 Nov 2009, at 21:35, Philippe Amard wrote: >> >> >> >>>Thanks for viewing Chris >>> >>>Another bite? >>>http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html >>> >>> >>> > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 15:10:59 2009 Received: (qmail 4796 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 14:10:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 14:10:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA8DE182DF for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C835CE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F47934AC026 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:10:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C231634AC025 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:10:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:10:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSJ006GRE1S4W8Y@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:10:41 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AF039E4.5050909@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:10:44 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55611D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> <6f8422750911021057h44c50759yee8a3c79efbbce50@mail.gmail.com> <4AEF36CB.2000608@gmail.com> <6f8422750911021435i6df4e014m21bea43e8596c46f@mail.gmail.com> In-reply-to: <6f8422750911021435i6df4e014m21bea43e8596c46f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 15:10:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af039f3229301950411718 T32 in shoe 3, plug ttl cord into side of T32, run to other flash units or multiconnectors. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Indeed. Only workaround for such a setup is using a PowerBounceGrip2, > together with one or several TTL-T20 conn., or the > . > I much prefer the T20 conn., because it can be screwed on a standard > support (a tripod, for example). > > You might find it funny, and it is so, but I built a double screw to > attach the T-20 to the underside of the PBG2 .... how many times did I > actually used such an awkward and unstable flashgun: none! - but it > works :-) > > Fernando > > 2009/11/2 Moose : >> , but one cannot use both shoe mounted flash and remote flash >> in TTL-OTF mode at once**. As main and fill light, for example. >> >> I suspect it doesn't matter for the 20mm macros, but might for other >> set-ups one might later want. >> >> Moose >> -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 15:12:24 2009 Received: (qmail 8667 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 14:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 14:12:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4197BE18236 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44617E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:10:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC5534AC027 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:10:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB88134AC025 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:10:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.191]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so737044gvf.21 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:10:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.125.18 with SMTP id c18mr9941mun.71.1257257451567; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:10:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3389849.16221257247585519.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <3389849.16221257247585519.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:10:51 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911030610n65d69228x1f999e092edc0273@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] What's Missing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 15:12:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af03a48268411342116753 Agree .... :-) Check the etymology of the word 'passion' - I happened to find it interesting. Fernando. 2009/11/3 Dawid Loubser : > No more, no less. It's called "passion", I think... > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 15:14:43 2009 Received: (qmail 32599 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 14:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 14:14:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A67E18229 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77B4E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:14:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C694719EA3C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:14:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFA519EA3B for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:14:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.187]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so738330gvf.21 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:14:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.126.12 with SMTP id d12mr18851mun.40.1257257675971; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:14:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <37BA0A2648E04AA1AF90DE13563D2FCE@MAIN> References: <37BA0A2648E04AA1AF90DE13563D2FCE@MAIN> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:14:35 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911030614l22604c20x1634528bc608b896@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] What's Missing? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 15:14:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af03ad3277532013633067 Ja! :-) .... tell me. This one drives me nuts. Fernando 2009/11/3 C.H.Ling : > > Another issue is due to the difficulty in mastering a good print with > digital workflow, the profile issues are difficult to understand (at least > for me). Many people even not able to manage a good looking image for > display on monitor not to mention on print. > > C.H.Ling > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 15:24:12 2009 Received: (qmail 4835 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 14:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 14:24:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9220DE181D6 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F306E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4923A19EA7E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:24:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38CE19EA9D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:24:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ed.sawyer@unh.edu whitelisted) Received: from exchange.unh.edu (mako.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from skate.ad.unh.edu ([169.254.3.159]) by mako.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.5]) with mapi; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:24:04 -0500 From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: "'olympus@thomasclausen.net'" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:24:03 -0500 Thread-Topic: OM2/Om4 TTL/OTF stuff (re: macro) Thread-Index: AcpcC/VjVDSinkKHTEO20x2EhldacAAhQ0bA Message-ID: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55613B@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OM2/Om4 TTL/OTF stuff (re: macro) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 15:24:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af03d0c82012013633067 Thanks for the info on the TTL/OTF stuff, guys. Sounds like I could either: Use OM-2, with a shoe 3 (which I don't have), and live w/o the ready/ok light. Or Use an OM-4 and get the ready/ok light, plus TTL connector on camera rather than via adapter. (if not using shoe-mount). That gives me a good roadmap to get some results. Now if I can just figure a way to solidly mount the whole rig, I may be in business. Thanks again! -Ed -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 15:38:16 2009 Received: (qmail 5278 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 14:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 14:38:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F64BE182B2 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC17E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2DD19EB28 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:38:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7617019EAF8 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:38:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ed.sawyer@unh.edu whitelisted) Received: from exchange.unh.edu (mako.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from skate.ad.unh.edu ([169.254.3.159]) by mako.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.5]) with mapi; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:38:02 -0500 From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: "'olympus@thomasclausen.net'" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:38:02 -0500 Thread-Topic: Macro OTF TTL Thread-Index: Acpcdyhn5bmhGpNTRuW7DdIFHI12TQAG9JBQ Message-ID: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55613D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Macro OTF TTL X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 15:38:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af04058223742517112723 Good to know multiple flashes can be daisy chained and such and still get TTL OTF. This package of macro stuff came with 2 of the T20 TTL shoe connectors, and a couple of ttl cords too, which may come in handy. It also came with the flash-extender piece (3" extension of hotshoe, to get flash up higher off camera if shooting normal non-macro flash). Thanks -Ed -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 16:04:38 2009 Received: (qmail 14740 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 15:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 15:04:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7853CE18246 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF5BE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:04:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED5119ECCF for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:04:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E636D19ECB1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:04:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so755915gvf.21 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:04:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.69 with SMTP id t47mr32332wee.107.1257260670694; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:04:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF037A0.4040701@picturepedia.org> References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AF01273.2020006@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF01F9E.4030105@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF02469.7090608@picturepedia.org> <9e908c1f0911030505q439ddaecv8a9844b083127dcb@mail.gmail.com> <4AF037A0.4040701@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:04:30 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911030704w193984d3qc04ca85a5a6adde9@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] sometimes you shouldn't window shop - 5D X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 16:04:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af04686135553900897491 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:01 AM, SwissPace wrote: > To be fair I wasn't using the 12-60 but a 14-54 although focussing > didn't seem to much of a problem it was mainly motion blur that was the > problem, I have my auto iso limit set at 800, =A0I find going above that > requires much more work post (I have neat image etc.) =A0These children > can be very hyperactive (will post some pics soon). Out of curiosity, what "noise" setting do you use in the camera? I haven't done controlled tests, but I usually leave this on "Low" but put it on "None" before conversion in Studio. I do see some noise at 800 and above. This doesn't affect prints, and I also don't mind a little noise. I have a couple of ISO 1600 images that I determined might look better with less noise and used Noiseware on the finished jpg. I need to go back and see how the in-camera/Studio settings compare to doing my own cleanup. I've seen reports that show the medium and high noise settings in-camera noticeably soften high ISO images, but so can Noiseware (and I assume the rest of the pack). > I maybe misled you a bit, I can get good results from aperture but it > took a lot of effort to get it that way, and maybe studio benefitted > from that. I have a fully calibrated system (colormunki), but when I > print from aperture I have to adjust the gamma and do little tweaks (and > as we have discussed before aperture or adobe raw do not develop raw > images as well as studio) wheras from studio I just clicked and got what > I saw on screen. =A0They now all use the same printer profile but I am > guessing they all do their own little changes before sending. I think I understand if you're referring to the difference in results of RAW conversion via Aperture as compared to Studio. Otherwise I'm not sure I follow. I use Studio to do the RAW conversion but transfer it to PS for tweaks and sharpening before printing. I don't notice any shift in color, etc. If I try using Lightroom or DCRAW clones, I notice a difference from what Studio produces. I'm now curious to try a print directly from Studio, though I don't know that I would ever do this on a regular basis -- mostly because there are a couple PS tools I like to use now and then and all the color management settings are all configured. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 16:07:01 2009 Received: (qmail 13763 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 15:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 15:07:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D6EE18277 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:06:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00447E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD9719ECFA for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:06:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D5219ECF9 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:06:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30285 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2009 15:06:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2009 15:06:53 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF0470C.7010804@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:06:52 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <380-220091123133857193@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <380-220091123133857193@earthlink.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091103-0, 11/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] The Curse of the Lost Lens Cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 16:07:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0471552921076813867 Reminds me of the plight of a friend who lost his car keys about 6 months ago while visiting his sister. He was leaving the house and had taken his suitcase down to the car. At some point he returned to the house and, in the middle of that, received a cell phone call from his wife. On returning to the car he discovered he was locked out and could not find his keys. He had to call his daughter and have her overnight his spare set of keys. Probably dozens of hours spent searching the house, the grounds and the car all to no avail. Then about a month ago he and his wife were on another trip (same suitcase) and sitting in an airport lobby. His wife noticed his car keys setting in the well where the collapsible pull handle goes. She commented to him... "Don't you think that's a dangerous place to put your keys? They could easily fall out." He said: "What keys. My keys are in my pocket". Then he realized the missing keys had been found. They had been in the suitcase's handle well all along. The same suitcase had also been on two other trips with them in between. Chuck Norcutt jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > Some months ago I came home from a trip to see my sister and while > cleaning up my camera case I found that I had lost one of the 67mm > lens caps off my 50-200. I searched the case and looked through my > duffel bag with my clothes and did not find it. I called my sister > several times and had her search her home and car and the areas we > shot photos in. (she is a canon user but is family so what are you > going to do?). Nothing found so I gave up and searched for a > replacement on the web. Found one at a price I liked but not instock > and shipping I thought was too high so I decided to wait until I had > something else I needed and order it then. Well recently I purchased > a E-30 camera and the night before going down to pick it up I ordered > one off E-bay. Forward to camera shop while waiting to be rung up I > was browsing the counters and picked up another one having forgot > that I had bought one off E-bay. (Wifes fault she normally provides > the ADULT supervison that she says I need in a place like that. She > stay in car reading her book.). Forward to next day which I had off > and I needed to make room in the backpack case I carry my E-500 in > for the new camera. I cleaned off the dining room table and took > every thing out of the case in preperation for rearranging it. Last > place to empty is a large pocket on the back That I use for snacks > and to keep my hat when I am not wearing it. Last item to come out > the missing lens cap so now I have three. > > > > jgettis81@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 16:09:36 2009 Received: (qmail 23515 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 15:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 15:09:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E25E1822E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B3DE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D7E19ED0D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:09:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CDE19ECDD for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:09:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.148]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1246595eyg.8 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:09:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.91.12 with SMTP id g12mr47820wef.33.1257260962806; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:09:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:09:22 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ffc8cd29edd7d951 Message-ID: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Lightroom? 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(VPS 091103-0, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OM2/Om4 TTL/OTF stuff (re: macro) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 16:13:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af048a4114896789618724 If you have no joy with the VST, Ed (I have never seen many) don't forget that enlargers are easy to find - strip off the head and you have a pretty solid, yet adjustable mount for the camera body. And possibly for the lighting too - have you thought of using microphone goosenecks to mount the T20 TTL connectors? Piers -----Original Message----- From: Sawyer, Edward [mailto:Ed.Sawyer@unh.edu] Sent: 03 November 2009 14:24 To: 'olympus@thomasclausen.net' Subject: Re: [OM] OM2/Om4 TTL/OTF stuff (re: macro) --snip Now if I can just figure a way to solidly mount the whole rig, I may be in business. Thanks again! -Ed -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 16:22:15 2009 Received: (qmail 10048 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 15:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 15:22:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC1EE1822C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA959E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB7D19ED81 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:22:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC5919ED7B for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:22:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:22:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5LCs-00083R-NA for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:22:04 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:21:59 -0000 Message-ID: <2E10533877F44C5BA35A55B1E7E068E7@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acpcl68KG8HC1TiRR/yUMUUSQHqGVwAALXuQ In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091103-0, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 16:22:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af04aa7238492013633067 I'm not using the LR3 beta, Jez, but I have used LR since the beginning (having been offered a good deal as a user of RawShooter - a predecessor application bought out by Adobe). = For photo editing, I find LR is a return to traditional and familiar terminology and techniques by comparison with PS. It's a breath of fresh air, at last - although you wold'nt use it for pixel-level editing of images. The cataloguing feature is what I wanted forty years ago, needed ten years ago, and now at last have, easy, flexible, fast, and integrated with the editor. = The image editing tools will be familiar to you from ACR, but I think the cataloguing is likely to be significantly better than Bridge. Don't hesitate - try it. Piers -----Original Message----- From: Jez Cunningham [mailto:jez@cunningham.net] = Sent: 03 November 2009 15:09 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] Lightroom? Hi, Ideas / advice please? I gave up on Photoshop after Bridge and Camera Raw started to do almost all I needed. I would often only fire up PS to be able to print. I migrated to PS Elements - it has the same raw converter (alas only works on raw, not jpeg or tiff) and you can print from the organizer module. AND I got it for =A310 with my last Dell purchase. But as my catalog grows it's slowed down. On top of that, PSE6 doesn't work with multi-core processors and to work with raw catalogs without crashing one has to disable all but one core. I didn't upgrade to PSE7 yet (released a few months back and supposedly fixed the multi-core bug) and now already PSE8 is out - without offering much useful functionality and getting more consumer-ish all the time. Auto-teeth-whiten anyone? I really like Camera Raw, so I'm thinking of trying Lightroom, since most of what I need is organizing the archive and a little editing in Camera Raw. LR seems to concentrate on this part of post-processing, however I know its real strength / target market is in batch processing - which I rarely need. I see LR 3 is available in beta, free until end-April 2010. That's a sensible period of time to evaluate - the usual 30-day trial is puny if you only get to use it once or twice a week. So is anyone else trying the beta or can offer advice on LR? (I know Nathan's a fan...) tia jez -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 16:23:26 2009 Received: (qmail 22001 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 15:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 15:23:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C4CE18277 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72890E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FD234AC024 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:23:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E603F34AC027 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:23:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.144]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1249562eyg.8 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:23:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.93.70 with SMTP id k48mr46410wef.134.1257261797863; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:23:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:23:17 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911030723r60237658sd4fd2c9aadc83220@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 16:23:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af04aee167233900897491 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > I really like Camera Raw, so I'm thinking of trying Lightroom, since most= of > what I need is organizing the archive and a little editing in Camera Raw.= LR > seems to =A0concentrate on this part of post-processing, however I know i= ts > real strength / target market is in batch processing - which I rarely nee= d. > > I see LR 3 is available in beta, free until end-April 2010. =A0That's a > sensible period of time to evaluate - the usual 30-day trial is puny if y= ou > only get to use it once or twice a week. > > So is anyone else trying the beta or can offer advice on LR? =A0(I know > Nathan's a fan...) When I used LR, I really liked it. If you like the result of ACR, I think you'll be a fan. It was hard to give up LR for something as clunky as Studio2 can be, but I prefer the color rendered by Studio, so the rest is history. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 16:29:44 2009 Received: (qmail 15715 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 15:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 15:29:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB225E181A8 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9E2E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:29:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0748E34AC028 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:29:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49A434AC027 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:29:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:29:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA3FTUjC017004 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:29:30 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.bc3.5944e856 (30739) for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:29:25 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:29:25 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 16:29:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af04c68161831946193717 In a message dated 11/3/2009 4:39:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, afildes@people.net.au writes: People might demand the right to buy a shirt made in the US, or UK or Aus. - until they discover that the Chinese one is a quarter of the price. Then their principles tend to vaporize. There appears to only be a couple of reasons they are cheaper and that is because of lack of the regulations imposed of manufacturing in China and their exploitation of labor. I'm willing to pay the price difference for the benefit of knowing that the employees are being treated fairly and someone is watching the manufacturing process to make sure it is safe and the environment is being regarded. And yes, this is a conservative's voice. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 16:31:05 2009 Received: (qmail 15393 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 15:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 15:31:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76648E18245 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE831E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C5334AC02E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:30:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04E034AC02D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:30:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:20554 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5LLU-0003dH-8k for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:30:56 -0600 Message-ID: <4AF04CAA.2060501@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:30:50 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AF01273.2020006@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF01F9E.4030105@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF02469.7090608@picturepedia.org> <9e908c1f0911030505q439ddaecv8a9844b083127dcb@mail.gmail.com> <4AF037A0.4040701@picturepedia.org> <9e908c1f0911030704w193984d3qc04ca85a5a6adde9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0911030704w193984d3qc04ca85a5a6adde9@mail.gmail.com> X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] sometimes you shouldn't window shop - 5D X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 16:31:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af04cb9174821879814018 > Out of curiosity, what "noise" setting do you use in the camera? > I have it set to none > medium and high noise settings in-camera noticeably soften high ISO > images, but so can Noiseware (and I assume the rest of the pack). > thats what I found with neat image - at least with auto profile, I was hoping CH Ling might share his settings as I believe he uses it. > I think I understand if you're referring to the difference in results > of RAW conversion via Aperture as compared to Studio. Otherwise I'm > not sure I follow. > sort of, when I printed direct from studio I got exactly what I saw on the screen, when I print from aperture (or cs4) etc I have to play with the brightness settings. > I use Studio to do the RAW conversion but transfer it to PS for tweaks > and sharpening before printing. I don't notice any shift in color, > This is the difference I like the highlight and shadow recovery in aperture and its library feature so I opted to forgo the better colour from studio for the easier (quicker) workflow, but maybe I need to rethink this or find a way to do the recovery in studio. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 16:33:19 2009 Received: (qmail 5183 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 15:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 15:33:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8801AE18148 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204A0E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1199734AC026 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:33:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F34A34AC034 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:33:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091103153308.DFTZ6358.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:33:08 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 0fZ81d0044Z9Gks02fZ83X; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:33:08 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=M6JPiHRyAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=ht5s01ZcPpQIggTtOVUA:9 a=DbKzir6YXBmIIYcVSLoA:7 a=Qgc2gY2ItK-BcXPr0ZYoHTJMFKIA:4 a=ObBlVMM_owYA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:33:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? 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(VPS 091103-0, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 16:44:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af04fdf244047801554290 Did you sample it, Ian? In my experience what the machines dispensed was water, "voda", not "vodka". It makes no sense for it to have been vodka - the constant refilling necessary would have been too much trouble! Piers = -----Original Message----- From: SwissPace [mailto:ian@picturepedia.org] = Sent: 03 November 2009 09:14 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: Re: [OM] PESO: I don't think you will see this in Iowa... When I was in USSR in the the mid 80's they had vending machines on most streets dispensing Vodka they normally had a few little glass tumblers on top of the machines, I guess the vodka sterilised everything I searched for a photo of one which I am sure I took but couldn't find it. IanW On 02/11/2009 09:18, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Amusing but not even close to the strangest I heard of - machines in = > Japan selling used (as in unwashed) girl's undies. > Auto-erotic Automat. > > How is it that no-one ever develops a fetish for something useful, = > like ironing? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/11/2009, at 6:59 PM, Nathan wrote: > > = >> Perhaps I have a root of a project here: vending machines selling = >> strange items. In the Atocha station in Madrid there is one selling = >> inkjet cartridges; in the centre of =C5rhus, my hometown in Denmark, = >> there is this: >> >> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/belgiangator/misc/20091030- >> L1008405.jpg.html >> >> >> = > = -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 17:00:12 2009 Received: (qmail 14696 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 16:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 16:00:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7E7E18255 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29120E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0443B19F0FB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:00:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D425819F0FC for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:00:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18321 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2009 16:00:03 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:04:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA3G4fTo010861 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:04:41 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AF0DCB2.8044.373AAC@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:03:49 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 17:05:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af054ac27976107113666 Brian, I understand the problem you had, some of them were under very difficult lighting situation, there is no simple solution without going RAW and PS. If you want the natural way you may want to come back at different time and day. I know there were photographers when to Huangshan many times in different seasons just try to capture the most beautiful moment. As simple as IMG_6029 it took us two hours wandering around the location, it need the right time so that the brightness of the sky match well with other scene around but the time was not wasted there were other bonus which I had posted here before: http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/OMC/VM01/VM01.htm C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Swale" > > Many of your shots with sky happen to have sky and land at equivalent > illumination; but I hasten to add, not all, and in these you have found > something of the problem that I have to learn how to manage - bright sky > with dark land component, in the same image. > > Some of your shots >>From - http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/eu04-1.htm > > Wonderful!! http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/P8193495.html > > Wow - http://www.accura.com.hk/OM/EU/P8183210.html > > I agree that http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6029.jpg > > has sky, and that is a wonderful shot. But the illumination of the sky > does not > challenge the illumination of the rest of the image. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 17:07:24 2009 Received: (qmail 30925 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 16:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 16:07:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6368EE182CA for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E3CE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:07:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5AF319F50A for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:07:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A1919F501 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:07:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:23534 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5Lue-0004w9-UL for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:07:17 -0600 Message-ID: <4AF05530.4010309@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:07:12 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF05382.1070504@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF05382.1070504@chucknorcutt.com> X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 17:07:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0553c277633900897491 I tried both LR and Aperture and preferred Aperture although both were very similar, mainly because of the library function though - even if it did lock me into an OS, but this was all before Bridge arrived in a useful form. On 03/11/2009 17:00, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > If so you're not the only one. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Sue Pearce wrote: > >> I'm not a fan of lightroom, although I have it. This is because I have >> developed a workflow that includes Bridge and CS4, so Lightroom is just more >> obtuse software to learn. >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 17:10:36 2009 Received: (qmail 23597 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 16:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 16:10:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4996AE182B3 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E430E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:09:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A003A19F4CE for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:09:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D7719EEFC for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:09:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so6263287ywh.22 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:09:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.11.14 with SMTP id o14mr325847ani.38.1257264593363; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:09:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF0470C.7010804@chucknorcutt.com> References: <380-220091123133857193@earthlink.net> <4AF0470C.7010804@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:09:53 +0000 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] The Curse of the Lost Lens Cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 17:10:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af055fc284841136683642 2009/11/3 Chuck Norcutt : > =A0His wife > noticed his car keys setting in the well where the collapsible pull > handle goes. =A0She commented to him... "Don't you think that's a > dangerous place to put your keys? =A0They could easily fall out." =A0He > said: "What keys. =A0My keys are in my pocket". =A0Then he realized the > missing keys had been found. =A0They had been in the suitcase's handle > well all along. =A0The same suitcase had also been on two other trips with > them in between. I do hope that he didn't then point out to his wife that she was, in fact, quite clearly wrong about it being an insecure lodging for the keys ;) -- = Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 17:14:37 2009 Received: (qmail 8636 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 16:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 16:14:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DF1E1805E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3890AE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D649434AC025 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:14:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B69734AC024 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:14:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32005 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2009 16:14:00 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091103-0, 11/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] The Curse of the Lost Lens Cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 17:14:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af056ec305381879814018 Obviously secure (and out of sight) when closed but easily lost if open. Chuck Norcutt Ian Nichols wrote: > 2009/11/3 Chuck Norcutt : >> His wife >> noticed his car keys setting in the well where the collapsible pull >> handle goes. She commented to him... "Don't you think that's a >> dangerous place to put your keys? They could easily fall out." He >> said: "What keys. My keys are in my pocket". Then he realized the >> missing keys had been found. They had been in the suitcase's handle >> well all along. The same suitcase had also been on two other trips with >> them in between. > > > I do hope that he didn't then point out to his wife that she was, in > fact, quite clearly wrong about it being an insecure lodging for the > keys ;) > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 17:23:49 2009 Received: (qmail 12314 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 16:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 16:23:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2373E181BA for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18D0E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9056F19F657 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:23:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0982E19F651 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:23:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA3GNUUu026444 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:23:30 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.bef.53d4aff6 (37576) for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:23:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.1]) by cia-mb05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB051-d1c14af058f52cc; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:23:27 -0500 Received: from webmail-m026 (webmail-m026.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.208]) by smtprly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC012-d1c14af058f52cc; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:23:17 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:23:17 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 28878-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m026.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.208) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:23:17 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC2AB915CAE364-5058-196BF@webmail-m026.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] WTB: OM-4T, 1-11 or 1-12 screen, Macro stand/VST/etc. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 17:23:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af05914301604877110844 Yep ,as Fernando mentioned one can use the ND filters (get the whole set) as well as distance to control ratios . I have been experimenting with the Lepp II bracket as per Dean and Walt Hybrid for macro flash. The T32 does require some light modifiers to reduce highlights--have used the Stoffen gizmo but I don' tthink that is quite right, but helps. I think a Softbox type of thing will be better but I don't want the light too flat. I keep one light of the T28 (other off) close to the lens with a 3 stop ND filter for fill. (The Lepp II bracket has little Ball heads with a cold shoe on top) There are some nuances regarding mounting the flashes and you can e-mail me off list if interested. This works with my macro lenses/autotube, but I have never tried it with a bellows. As Dr. No Flash has mentioned the convenient T-cord socket on the 4 helps keep everything tidy. Mike (student of Drs. Flash and NO Flash, both of whom have forgotten more essential nuances of OM gear then I have yet to learn) Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Indeed. Only workaround for such a setup is using a PowerBounceGrip2, > together with one or several TTL-T20 conn., or the > . > I much prefer the T20 conn., because it can be screwed on a standard > support (a tripod, for example). > > You might find it funny, and it is so, but I built a double screw to > attach the T-20 to the underside of the PBG2 .... how many times did I > actually used such an awkward and unstable flashgun: none! - but it > works :-) > > Fernando > > 2009/11/2 Moose : >> , but one cannot use both shoe mounted flash and remote flash >> in TTL-OTF mode at once**. As main and fill light, for example. >> >> I suspect it doesn't matter for the 20mm macros, but might for other >> set-ups one might later want. >> >> Moose >> -- -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 17:38:52 2009 Received: (qmail 4787 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 16:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 16:38:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0A4E1819F for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:38:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02C8E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D4B34AC029 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:38:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFE434AC02E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:38:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:38:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2201.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2302E70026AA for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:38:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2201.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F13FF700269B for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:38:40 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091103163840988.F13FF700269B@msfrf2201.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:38:47 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? 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3 Nov 2009 17:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 17:00:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3D7E1822B for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B54E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:00:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E217D34AC030 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:00:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28AC934AC02C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:00:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA3H0lGf021136 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 01:00:47 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AF01273.2020006@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF01F9E.4030105@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF02469.7090608@picturepedia.org> <9e908c1f0911030505q439ddaecv8a9844b083127dcb@mail.gmail.com> <4AF037A0.4040701@picturepedia.org><9e908c1f0911030704w193984d3qc04ca85a5a6adde9@mail.gmail.com> <4AF04CAA.2060501@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 01:00:00 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] sometimes you shouldn't window shop - 5D X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 18:00:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af061c7140471234514069 It is better to create custom profile for different ISO using the NI Tool, "Auto profile" sometimes does not work well. But custom profile also not fit with the heavly adjusted image (color temp, exposure...) or image with different sharpness setting...etc. In this case I usually select the area to profile and sometimes multiple area is required (first select an area large enough for "Rough Noise Analyzer" then select the critical subject such as face for "Fine-Tuning"), make sure the profile quality is over 90%. For noise filter setting here is an example I used for the ISO1600 E-3 image below. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/Clipboard001.jpg Original image from Olympus Master, NR off, sharpness -1: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/P1160926.jpg Noise reduced image: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/P1160926-NR.jpg You may start with the Filter Preset - Advance - Remove only half of weaker noise, keep more details. Then modify the parameters to suit your need. I usually use less NR to keep some noise in the image, it provides a more natural look. In this example I also sharpen the Y channel with 50% high freq. setting. You have to be very careful about the sharpen, it easily create un-natural look. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "SwissPace" > > I have it set to none >> medium and high noise settings in-camera noticeably soften high ISO >> images, but so can Noiseware (and I assume the rest of the pack). >> > thats what I found with neat image - at least with auto profile, I was > hoping CH Ling might share his settings as I believe he uses it. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 18:38:38 2009 Received: (qmail 23689 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 17:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 17:38:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D103E181AC for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A119E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:38:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFF11A00D1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:38:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5D21A00CD for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:38:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:38:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so807133gvf.21 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:38:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.81.20 with SMTP id i20mr100594mul.127.1257269911946; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:38:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55613B@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55613B@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:38:31 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911030938t6e8f761au76d552bdc9bdc7ab@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OM2/Om4 TTL/OTF stuff (re: macro) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 18:38:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af06a9e132367801554290 Do both ... :-) I have two Shoe3, waiting for another plain 2 ( ... sorry to mention this). Fernando. 2009/11/3 Sawyer, Edward : > Sounds like I could either: > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 18:40:51 2009 Received: (qmail 13824 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 17:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 17:40:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7DCE1829D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C75E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CB61A00E6 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:40:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEE51A00DF for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:40:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.188]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so807788gvf.21 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:40:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.125.18 with SMTP id c18mr115916mun.71.1257270035320; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:40:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55613B@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:40:35 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911030940w25905812s8028193baf97f3e3@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OM2/Om4 TTL/OTF stuff (re: macro) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 18:40:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af06b23145061879814018 What !? No, never. Thank you. Fernando. 2009/11/3 Piers Hemy : > - have you thought of using microphone goosenecks to mount the > T20 TTL connectors? > > Piers > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 18:44:02 2009 Received: (qmail 6124 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 17:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 17:44:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29C4E1822C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:44:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A438E240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB2334AC039 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:43:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9447834AC02E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:43:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:43:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so808934gvf.21 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:43:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.126.12 with SMTP id d12mr125401mun.40.1257270235517; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:43:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55613D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55613D@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:43:55 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911030943u4bccf124x5f3af66de8856e69@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Macro OTF TTL X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 18:44:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af06be25327801554290 A valuable and rare piece of equipment. Lucky you :-) Fernando. 2009/11/3 Sawyer, Edward : > It also came with the flash-extender piece (3" extension of hotshoe, to get flash up higher off camera if shooting normal > non-macro flash). > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 18:51:25 2009 Received: (qmail 23378 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 17:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 17:51:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3B8E182A7 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E14E240E5 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:51:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E39334AC034 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:51:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0815534AC037 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:51:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so6403111yxe.22 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:51:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.102.236.11 with SMTP id j11mr133248muh.3.1257270670182; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:51:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <60f983080910290120v243a10fbm41045d34b1c503f8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:51:10 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911030951r5fbeb5fcpf04c819d21a14faa@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] A few sunset shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 18:51:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af06d9d203161234514069 Well, you made me find this one .... It's not the same scan I posted yesterday, into another thread - check both and compare: one is to be seen at night, this one is to be seen at daylight :-) Fernando. ( ... warning: 1280, 1Mb) 2009/10/29 Ken Norton : > Am I the only one who is intrigued by the concept that we can be half a > world away, from entirely different cultural and language backgrounds, but > we take and enjoy exactly the same kind of pictures? > > I love this list. > > AG > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 19:42:20 2009 Received: (qmail 7257 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 18:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:42:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E9CE18236 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:42:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2293FE240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060EF1A00F7 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:42:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7414A1A009E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:42:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:42:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1N5OKZ-0007Zf-I6 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:42:11 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1N5OKZ-0003Zu-20 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:42:11 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF07985.4020706@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:42:13 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 19:42:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0798c319567801554290 Jez Cunningham wrote: > Hi, > > Ideas / advice please? > > > > So is anyone else trying the beta or can offer advice on LR? (I know > Nathan's a fan...) > > tia > jez I'm running 2.5 and trying the Beta of 3 now. The rendering is better in 3, no question, the colour noise reduction tool is also vastly improved. If they can do similar things with the luminance noise, it'd be great. There are many ways to access your images, the database is excellent and seems to be quicker in 3, even on the old machine (I'm running a trial on a new quad-core Win7 machine as well). I haven't actually used another programme for photos for over a year. I love it. I don't know if they'll be incorporating the new development engine in ACR next time, but it does seem to be faster and better. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 19:43:23 2009 Received: (qmail 10529 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 18:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:43:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6213E181B2 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5050EE240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:43:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C231A009E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:43:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929121CD490 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:43:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (clay.nichols@palmettohealth.org whitelisted) Received: from mail2.palmettohealth.org (mail2.palmettohealth.org [167.171.195.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:43:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from phgwia.palmettohealth.org ([167.171.85.217]) by mail2.palmettohealth.org with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2009 13:43:06 -0500 Received: from PHADOM6-MTA by phgwia.palmettohealth.org with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:43:06 -0500 Message-Id: <4AF03362.2B3E.004E.1@PalmettoHealth.org> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 8.0.0 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:42:58 -0500 From: "Clay Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55613B@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> <6f8422750911030940w25905812s8028193baf97f3e3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6f8422750911030940w25905812s8028193baf97f3e3@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [OM] OM2/Om4 TTL/OTF stuff (re: macro) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 19:43:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af079cb49829730998309 Peirs has a good idea. I used goose necks 25 years ago for macro work. Cheap and works great. I used epoxy putty to mount the screw in the neck of the neck. Clay >>> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile 11/3/2009 12:40 PM >>> What !? No, never. Thank you. Fernando. 2009/11/3 Piers Hemy : > - have you thought of using microphone goosenecks to mount the > T20 TTL connectors? > > Piers > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 19:55:13 2009 Received: (qmail 3094 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 18:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 18:55:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FB3E182B1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC5FE240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202D834AC040 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:55:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A4034AC03F for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:55:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp10.register.it [81.88.48.60]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10727 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 18:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@83.40.198.146) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2009 18:54:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:54:58 +0100 Message-Id: References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 19:55:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af07c91120611234514069 Same here--15000 files now and I would not dream of using anything = else. I do have PS but only use it for stitching panoramas. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Philippe Amard wrote: > LR helps you throughout, from download to archive and print - easy to > use and you get good results - I could no longer do without it with a > catalogue of over 15000 raw files ... > Trying is believing. > Best from Metz > Philippe > > > Jez Cunningham wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Ideas / advice please? >> >> I gave up on Photoshop after Bridge and Camera Raw started to do = >> almost all >> I needed. I would often only fire up PS to be able to print. >> I migrated to PS Elements - it has the same raw converter (alas = >> only works >> on raw, not jpeg or tiff) and you can print from the organizer = >> module. >> AND I got it for =A310 with my last Dell purchase. >> >> But as my catalog grows it's slowed down. On top of that, PSE6 = >> doesn't work >> with multi-core processors and to work with raw catalogs without = >> crashing >> one has to disable all but one core. I didn't upgrade to PSE7 yet = >> (released >> a few months back and supposedly fixed the multi-core bug) and now = >> already >> PSE8 is out - without offering much useful functionality and = >> getting more >> consumer-ish all the time. Auto-teeth-whiten anyone? >> >> I really like Camera Raw, so I'm thinking of trying Lightroom, = >> since most of >> what I need is organizing the archive and a little editing in = >> Camera Raw. LR >> seems to concentrate on this part of post-processing, however I = >> know its >> real strength / target market is in batch processing - which I = >> rarely need. >> >> I see LR 3 is available in beta, free until end-April 2010. That's a >> sensible period of time to evaluate - the usual 30-day trial is = >> puny if you >> only get to use it once or twice a week. >> >> So is anyone else trying the beta or can offer advice on LR? (I know >> Nathan's a fan...) >> >> tia >> jez >> >> > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 20:04:33 2009 Received: (qmail 5562 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 19:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 19:04:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA91FE181D6 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287BAE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B6634AC03D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:04:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D9634AC047 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:04:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2103.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A1F4570002AA; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:04:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2103.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0087270002A9; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:04:23 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091103190424225.0087270002A9@msfrf2103.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:05:03 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: liste leica reflex , Leica Users Group , Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Holiday snaps and postcards - Engelberg (CH) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 20:04:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af07ec1191539752976205 Just uploaded a few more pixes; start here, http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html and click on the arrow to the right. Some can be seen large I guess. C&C welcome as usual Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 20:26:33 2009 Received: (qmail 5662 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 19:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 19:26:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B290E182AB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22128E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074B91A0114 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:26:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F051CD48B for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:26:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rickard.nilsson@telia.com whitelisted) Received: from av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 00A16381E9; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:26:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2065381E7 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:26:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.webofnilsson.com (fh20n1-m-rg-a13.ias.bredband.telia.com [195.67.213.20]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03A037E8F for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:26:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (heinlein.webofnilsson.com [195.67.213.20]) by mail.webofnilsson.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 529A62D6C5 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:25:50 +0100 (CET) References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:26:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rickard Nilsson" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.00 (Linux) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 20:26:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af083e9189081234514069 Den 2009-11-02 23:46:19 skrev Brian Swale : > (b) Using something like the OM4 to set exposure as I already do for my > manual film cameras - if I have an interesting scene where I will want > to try a > range of compositions (and I know that the E-3 will alter the exposure > for > every composition even though the illumination of the scene has not > changed one iota), I will want to set one reliable combination of speed > and > aperture on manual and leave that constant through the set of shots. > (d) and having stabilised exposure, I also have to simultaneously find a > way > to cause the camera to focus on a spot I decide upon - be it near or far > - > while I move the frame to get the composition I want. Easy with film - > but > digital ? Chuck Norcutt described the remedy to those two points in an earlier post. The trick is the following: * Set the camera to manual exposure and manual focus. * Configure the AEL/AFL setting to mode "M3". This will cause the AEL/AFL button to work as a "focus-on-demand"-button. Remember to activate only the middle focus point, for consisten behaviour. * Set the function of the thumb dial to Shutter (in Manual mode). * If you like, switch the FN and AEL/AFL buttons so the focus function is available to you just below the thumb dial. With these settings, it is simple to get consistent exposure and focusing: 1. Set ISO. 2. Set aperture (by pressing the +/- button and turning the dial at the same time) 3. Point the camera towards something you like to set your exposure after. You can use either spot or pattern metering. Adjust the shutter time by turning the thumb dial. You can directly read out the amount of over- or underexposure the camera thinks you are doing, both in the viewfinder and on the LCD. You can configure both the direction of the thumb dial, and the amount it should increase/decrease shutter time. I prefer to have it to increase the shutter time a half stop when I turn it right. That makes sense when shifting aperture on manual Zuikos to. 4. Point the camera towards something you want to focus on, and press the AEL/AFL (or FN) button. 5. Now, exposure and focus is set, you can freely compose and then take the photo. The camera won't change any setting when you press the shutter button. Since all settings will remain after the shot, you often just have to change the focus for the next shot. Regards, Rickard Nilsson -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 20:32:50 2009 Received: (qmail 16201 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 19:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 19:32:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8975E182B0 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B5DE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9DF3610001 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:32:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88B734AC034 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:32:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp05.register.it [81.88.48.55]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:32:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17919 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 19:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@83.40.198.146) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2009 19:32:28 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:32:26 +0100 Message-Id: To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 3/11/2009: back in Alicante X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 20:32:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af08562273521744846740 Yesterday afternoon, I was walking around Copenhagen in the rain. The thermometer on the big square in front of City Hall indicated +4C. This morning I flew home to Alicante, and this afternoon I went for my usual bicycle ride. I still love Copenhagen, but there is something to be said for a place where you see this in November: http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#702290487_4s2Zj-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 21:19:59 2009 Received: (qmail 16594 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 20:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 20:19:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE2AE181B9 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:19:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B9CE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710291CD488 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:19:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F581CD490 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:19:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091103201954.LVDW6358.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:19:54 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 0kKs1d00F4Z9Gks02kKs2V; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:19:53 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GA7trP7PP7zt0gWoLHMA:9 a=peGcoE4gG3OUcYjiFPkKUnBHdAQA:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:19:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 21:19:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0906f150671073733319 Same here--15000 files now and I would not dream of using anything else. I do have PS but only use it for stitching panoramas. Nathan I suspect what we have here is the contrast betweeen people that used ps just a bit or not at all before trying lightroom, and those who have a fair amount of time over a fair number of versions of PS. And honestly, I find the filing part incomprehensible. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 21:27:23 2009 Received: (qmail 22662 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 20:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 20:27:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0204DE182E8 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A7DE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDDE1CD488 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:27:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FAC1CD48B for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:27:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA3KRATA019610 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:27:10 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.d48.60a030a8 (29672) for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:27:08 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:28:11 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OM2/Om4 TTL/OTF stuff (re: macro) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 21:27:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0922b77551612113968 In a message dated 11/3/2009 11:38:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com writes: I have two Shoe3, waiting for another plain 2 ( ... sorry to mention this). Fernando. Ask, send some money and ye shall receive. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 21:27:29 2009 Received: (qmail 14506 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 20:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 20:27:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C123E181AE for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:27:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DCDE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFE934AC03F for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:27:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE50034AC034 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:27:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20276 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 20:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 20:21:39 -0000 Message-Id: <9098BE01-960A-478A-B5A7-7E0411EB9AAF@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:27:21 +1100 References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 21:27:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af09231164881006886880 It took me a long time to learn so no, not the only dolt at least. I know people who use it for everything - a wedding photog for instance as it's easy to batch adjust large numbers of similar shots. That's why I find it useful for studio work - on those rare occasions when I get the lighting just a bit wrong. I use it for gross adjustments like exposure, WB temp., cropping, saturation as with any Raw converter - but the gradient tool is great for adjusting lighting and I love the Clarity slider. After that, everything goes to PS. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2009, at 2:33 AM, Sue Pearce wrote: > I've found it completely different from PS, strangely and > unnecessarily so. > Adobe has the pattern of changing things functions and names from > version to > version, so this shouldn't be a surprise. I don't know what it does > that PS > doesn't, except file and "organize" images in a way that I find > difficult to > understand. > > But maybe I'm just a dolt. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 21:36:53 2009 Received: (qmail 30303 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 20:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 20:36:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DDFE1829F for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:36:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6A1E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0271B34AC034 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:36:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3A834AC03F for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:36:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp01.register.it [81.88.48.51]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4341 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 20:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@83.40.198.146) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 3 Nov 2009 20:36:44 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Nathan Wajsman X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:36:43 +0100 Message-Id: References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 21:36:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0946558099752976205 I used PS since some time in the 90s and got fed up with its proliferation of features that might have been useful to Stalin back in the 1930s but which had no interest for me. Then Adobe came out with Lightroom and all was well. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Nov 3, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > > Same here--15000 files now and I would not dream of using anything > else. I do have PS but only use it for stitching panoramas. > > Nathan > > I suspect what we have here is the contrast betweeen people that > used ps > just a bit or not at all before trying lightroom, and those who have > a fair > amount of time over a fair number of versions of PS. > > And honestly, I find the filing part incomprehensible. > > Bill Pearce > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 21:37:49 2009 Received: (qmail 5438 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 20:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 20:37:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B21E181BA for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:37:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B35E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51DC1A0174 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:37:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27A71A016E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:37:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:37:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21695 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 20:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 20:31:53 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:37:35 +1100 References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 21:37:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0949d279161076813867 It's not but it is tricky. You have to be very careful what you call things when you import and specify where you wnat them (and the backups) - oh and learn how to change the names 'cos you got it wrong. Once that's done, it's really simple to retrieve folders or bring them in. I'd used PS for a long time so I use a blend of the two - PS provides a level of adjustment that LR can't match (hate the brush tool) but LR has what I now consider essential tools, like better control of colour and exposure. My cuz who knows says that they've had a policy of migrating certain essential features to Lightroom and Bridge. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2009, at 7:19 AM, Sue Pearce wrote: > And honestly, I find the filing part incomprehensible. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 21:37:54 2009 Received: (qmail 24227 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 20:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 20:37:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24559E1824C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:37:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8984FE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4AB34AC043 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:37:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA12234AC034 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:37:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:37:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2222.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DC7EC70000DF for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:37:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2222.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8041C70000B8 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:37:39 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091103203739525.8041C70000B8@msfrf2222.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF094D0.3020302@sfr.fr> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:38:40 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> In-Reply-To: X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 21:37:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af094a2294927801554290 ditto phx Nathan Wajsman wrote: >I used PS since some time in the 90s and got fed up with its >proliferation of features that might have been useful to Stalin back >in the 1930s but which had no interest for me. Then Adobe came out >with Lightroom and all was well. > >Nathan > >Nathan Wajsman >Alicante, Spain >http://www.frozenlight.eu >http://www.greatpix.eu >http://www.nathanfoto.com > >Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > >On Nov 3, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > > > >>Same here--15000 files now and I would not dream of using anything >>else. I do have PS but only use it for stitching panoramas. >> >>Nathan >> >>I suspect what we have here is the contrast betweeen people that >>used ps >>just a bit or not at all before trying lightroom, and those who have >>a fair >>amount of time over a fair number of versions of PS. >> >>And honestly, I find the filing part incomprehensible. >> >>Bill Pearce >> >>-- >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> >> > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 22:00:26 2009 Received: (qmail 32326 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 21:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 21:00:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875DDE182A5 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:00:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C47CE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866ED34AC03C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:00:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39F834AC040 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:00:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11206 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2009 21:00:18 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091103-0, 11/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Holiday snaps and postcards - Engelberg (CH) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 22:00:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af099ea18896789618724 Very nice! Chuck Norcutt Philippe Amard wrote: > Just uploaded a few more pixes; start here, > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html > and click on the arrow to the right. > > Some can be seen large I guess. > > C&C welcome as usual > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 22:01:49 2009 Received: (qmail 20525 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 21:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 21:01:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8969BE181BA for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C98E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:01:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D21D34AC047 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:01:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CCD34AC040 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:01:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:01:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2222.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6818A70000DF for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:01:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2222.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2D74970000C5 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:01:44 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091103210144186.2D74970000C5@msfrf2222.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF09A7B.4090406@sfr.fr> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:02:51 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> <4AF099E1.4060604@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF099E1.4060604@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Holiday snaps and postcards - Engelberg (CH) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 22:01:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af09a3d114031612113968 Thanks Chuck Some Oly glass involved, in part. Best form Metz Phx Chuck Norcutt wrote: >Very nice! > >Chuck Norcutt > > >Philippe Amard wrote: > > >>Just uploaded a few more pixes; start here, >>http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html >>and click on the arrow to the right. >> >>Some can be seen large I guess. >> >>C&C welcome as usual >>Bien cordialement de Metz >>Philippe >> >> >> >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 22:16:04 2009 Received: (qmail 14994 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 21:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 21:16:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A06E181AC for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425F1E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:15:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35AA834AC03D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:15:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B7C34AC03F for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:15:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.147] (helo=anti-virus03-10) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1N5QjM-0002Oa-Rz for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:15:57 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1N5QjM-0005eB-6G for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:15:56 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF09D8F.1040002@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:15:59 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> <4AF099E1.4060604@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF099E1.4060604@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Holiday snaps and postcards - Engelberg (CH) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 22:16:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af09d94281461950411718 > > Philippe Amard wrote: >> Just uploaded a few more pixes; start here, >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html >> and click on the arrow to the right. >> >> Some can be seen large I guess. >> >> C&C welcome as usual >> Bien cordialement de Metz >> Philippe >> Aha! Stephan Eicher! I have the album... D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 22:18:12 2009 Received: (qmail 29222 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 21:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 21:18:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31535E182A1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D66E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:18:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A111CD492 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:18:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526C01CD488 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:18:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.11]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:18:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2222.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A71CF70000AA for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:18:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2222.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 71E43700008A for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:18:06 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091103211806466.71E43700008A@msfrf2222.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF09E54.4000506@sfr.fr> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:19:16 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> <4AF099E1.4060604@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF09D8F.1040002@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4AF09D8F.1040002@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Holiday snaps and postcards - Engelberg (CH) - Donald X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 22:18:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af09e14320513900897491 D=E9jeuner en paix? ;-) BTW They're rebuilding the Casino where the CD was recorded. phx Donald wrote: >>Philippe Amard wrote: >> = >> >>>Just uploaded a few more pixes; start here, >>>http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711= .jpg.html >>>and click on the arrow to the right. >>> >>>Some can be seen large I guess. >>> >>>C&C welcome as usual >>>Bien cordialement de Metz >>>Philippe >>> >>> = >>> > >Aha! Stephan Eicher! > >I have the album... > >D. > > = > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 22:23:36 2009 Received: (qmail 22845 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 21:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 21:23:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04367E18256 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47416E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0663F3610001 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:23:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9423134AC03D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:23:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:23:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30986 invoked by uid 504); 3 Nov 2009 21:23:17 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091103-0, 11/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 22:23:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af09f58223681413256596 Thanks, Rickard. I intended to make a similar response but it wouldn't have had the additional fine points of using the E-3 which I am not familiar with. But I can read the E-3 manual and the use of the front (sub) dial to set the aperture in manual mode makes no mention of needing to press the exposure compensation [+/-] dial at the same time. That makes sense to me. Perhaps you were confused? Chuck Norcutt Rickard Nilsson wrote: > Den 2009-11-02 23:46:19 skrev Brian Swale : > >> (b) Using something like the OM4 to set exposure as I already do for my >> manual film cameras - if I have an interesting scene where I will want >> to try a >> range of compositions (and I know that the E-3 will alter the exposure >> for >> every composition even though the illumination of the scene has not >> changed one iota), I will want to set one reliable combination of speed >> and >> aperture on manual and leave that constant through the set of shots. > > >> (d) and having stabilised exposure, I also have to simultaneously find a >> way >> to cause the camera to focus on a spot I decide upon - be it near or far >> - >> while I move the frame to get the composition I want. Easy with film - >> but >> digital ? > > > Chuck Norcutt described the remedy to those two points in an earlier > post. The trick is the following: > > * Set the camera to manual exposure and manual focus. > > * Configure the AEL/AFL setting to mode "M3". This will cause > the AEL/AFL button to work as a "focus-on-demand"-button. Remember > to activate only the middle focus point, for consisten behaviour. > > * Set the function of the thumb dial to Shutter (in Manual mode). > > * If you like, switch the FN and AEL/AFL buttons so the focus > function is available to you just below the thumb dial. > > With these settings, it is simple to get consistent exposure and > focusing: > > 1. Set ISO. > > 2. Set aperture (by pressing the +/- button and turning the > dial at the same time) > > 3. Point the camera towards something you like to set your > exposure after. You can use either spot or pattern metering. > Adjust the shutter time by turning the thumb dial. You can > directly read out the amount of over- or underexposure the > camera thinks you are doing, both in the viewfinder and > on the LCD. > You can configure both the direction of the thumb dial, > and the amount it should increase/decrease shutter time. > I prefer to have it to increase the shutter time a half > stop when I turn it right. That makes sense when shifting > aperture on manual Zuikos to. > > 4. Point the camera towards something you want to focus on, > and press the AEL/AFL (or FN) button. > > 5. Now, exposure and focus is set, you can freely compose > and then take the photo. The camera won't change any > setting when you press the shutter button. > > Since all settings will remain after the shot, you often just > have to change the focus for the next shot. > > > Regards, > Rickard Nilsson > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 23:01:19 2009 Received: (qmail 13265 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 22:01:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 22:01:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42A0E18279 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B0CE240C1 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 23:01:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0a82f221261220213263 Thanks C.H.Ling, that's a great help as a starting point IanW On 03/11/2009 18:00, C.H.Ling wrote: > It is better to create custom profile for different ISO using the NI Tool, > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 23:18:13 2009 Received: (qmail 26512 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 22:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 22:18:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E83CE18236 for ; 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Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:18:02 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:17:52 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> Thread-Index: AcpcxJNp4XyBbuLLQuWvOOuZB9Ao5QADjs4g X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091103-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 23:18:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0ac24144561744846740 I would agree entirely that the LR approach is very different from that of PS, and that PS experience is not transferable, Bill, but that is based on more than ten years use of PS5, 6, 7 and CS3. For anyone with no "investment" in learning PS, the choice should be very simple - which is I think the point you are making. But it certainly doesn't imply that anyone who does not value the LR approach is a dolt - no sir :-) Piers -----Original Message----- From: Sue Pearce [mailto:bs.pearce@cox.net] Sent: 03 November 2009 20:20 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? --snip I suspect what we have here is the contrast betweeen people that used ps just a bit or not at all before trying lightroom, and those who have a fair amount of time over a fair number of versions of PS. And honestly, I find the filing part incomprehensible. Bill Pearce -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 23:21:23 2009 Received: (qmail 12848 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 22:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 22:21:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D22E181B2 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CFBE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E8934AC046 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:21:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A2534AC034 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:21:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5RkY-0000Fe-Cj for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:21:14 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186F55613B@SKATE.ad.unh.edu><6f8422750911030940w25905812s8028193baf97f3e3@mail.gmail.com> <4AF03362.2B3E.004E.1@PalmettoHealth.org> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:21:13 -0000 Message-ID: <0C55F2913C474005AA7B730ADB329A70@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <4AF03362.2B3E.004E.1@PalmettoHealth.org> Thread-Index: AcpctYolTs79Z+ZsTDqdQ5UGJjQ2+QAHfYIg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091103-1, 03/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OM2/Om4 TTL/OTF stuff (re: macro) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 23:21:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0ace3221201006886880 E P O X Y ??? Walt lives! No doubt epoxy and maybe even duct tape have their applications, but it's very easy to get microphone fittings down to 3/8" and camera adaptors thence to 1/4". And the weight of microphone bases means that nothing moves without "clear instructions". Piers -----Original Message----- From: Clay Nichols [mailto:Clay.Nichols@PalmettoHealth.org] Sent: 03 November 2009 18:43 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OM2/Om4 TTL/OTF stuff (re: macro) Peirs has a good idea. I used goose necks 25 years ago for macro work. Cheap and works great. I used epoxy putty to mount the screw in the neck of the neck. Clay >>> Fernando Gonzalez Gentile 11/3/2009 >>> 12:40 PM >>> What !? No, never. Thank you. Fernando. 2009/11/3 Piers Hemy : > - have you thought of using microphone goosenecks to mount the T20 TTL > connectors? > > Piers > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 23:22:53 2009 Received: (qmail 8676 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 22:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 22:22:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9BDE18256 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4C8E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:22:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A06D1CD497 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:22:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1309B1CD495 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:22:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:22:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5Rm0-0000JS-OZ for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:22:44 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <4AF094D0.3020302@sfr.fr> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:22:44 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <4AF094D0.3020302@sfr.fr> Thread-Index: Acpcy7gV8fL4emT+Q8iQi8845ke1lgACFP6w X-Antivirus: avast! 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Piers -----Original Message----- From: Philippe Amard [mailto:philippe.amard@sfr.fr] Sent: 03 November 2009 20:39 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? ditto phx Nathan Wajsman wrote: >I used PS since some time in the 90s and got fed up with its >proliferation of features that might have been useful to Stalin back in >the 1930s but which had no interest for me. Then Adobe came out with >Lightroom and all was well. > >Nathan > >Nathan Wajsman >Alicante, Spain --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 23:26:09 2009 Received: (qmail 9249 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 22:26:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 22:26:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C12E182B2 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6220EE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:26:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E71734AC043 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:26:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8BF34AC03C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091103222603349.ILBW4372@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:26:03 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:26:02 -0500 References: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Holiday snaps and postcards - Engelberg (CH) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 23:26:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0ae01203431946193717 Some excellent work there. I can't decide if I have a favorite. Will view again, for sure. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Nov 3, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Philippe Amard wrote: > Just uploaded a few more pixes; start here, > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html > and click on the arrow to the right. > > Some can be seen large I guess. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Nov 3 23:58:52 2009 Received: (qmail 5197 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 22:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 22:58:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A0DE1829E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D73E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4041334AC046 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:58:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CBC34AC03C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:58:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so8284721bwz.30 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:58:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.37 with SMTP id s37mr78009hbg.90.1257289126231; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:58:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF07985.4020706@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF07985.4020706@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:58:46 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 821bce73be93b192 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 3 23:58:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0b5ac72781220213263 > > I'm running 2.5 and trying the Beta of 3 now. The rendering is better in > 3, no question, the colour noise reduction tool is also vastly improved. > If they can do similar things with the luminance noise, it'd be great. > Rawshooter algorithms must finally be incorporated. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 00:07:11 2009 Received: (qmail 23891 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 23:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 23:07:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6988FE181AE for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10BFE240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:07:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7BC1CD488 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:07:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212951CD495 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:06:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091103230659.QTID6358.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:06:59 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 0n6x1d00b4Z9Gks02n6xoV; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:06:58 -0500 X-VR-Score: -200.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eu-zI82HAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=e8Z3fXYV95aCwxTOxDQA:9 a=ffzdqL37bo5ggmzMuQAA:7 a=3TOVSd6Mg4u_bkk6XwnuIj-SIZ8A:4 a=SCrqSegTc6YA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr><5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:06:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 00:07:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0b79f291621879814018 no, I'm the dolt, since it's so easy for everyone else. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? >I would agree entirely that the LR approach is very different from that of > PS, and that PS experience is not transferable, Bill, but that is based on > more than ten years use of PS5, 6, 7 and CS3. For anyone with no > "investment" in learning PS, the choice should be very simple - which is I > think the point you are making. But it certainly doesn't imply that > anyone > who does not value the LR approach is a dolt - no sir :-) > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue Pearce [mailto:bs.pearce@cox.net] > Sent: 03 November 2009 20:20 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? > > --snip > > I suspect what we have here is the contrast betweeen people that used ps > just a bit or not at all before trying lightroom, and those who have a > fair > amount of time over a fair number of versions of PS. > > And honestly, I find the filing part incomprehensible. > > Bill Pearce > > -- > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.48/2479 - Release Date: 11/03/09 19:38:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 00:59:11 2009 Received: (qmail 24192 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 2009 23:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 23:59:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E468EE181D8 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16CBE240CB for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AD234AC024 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:59:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7B93610001 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:59:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.45] ([173.54.180.225]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSK00G6T5A8CGRJ@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:58:56 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AF0C3BE.4020408@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:58:54 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> In-reply-to: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Holiday snaps and postcards - Engelberg (CH) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 00:59:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0c3cf121971258626592 Philippe Amard wrote: > Just uploaded a few more pixes; start here, > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html > and click on the arrow to the right. > Thats a really beautiful set. Thanks for posting them . -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 01:21:43 2009 Received: (qmail 3563 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 00:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 00:21:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F23E181CF for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E3DE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDAC81CD488 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:21:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359D11CD493 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:21:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.238]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA40LWKO018576 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:21:33 +1100 Message-Id: <200911040021.nA40LWKO018576@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:21:32 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:21:32 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 01:21:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0c91750275683411216 > NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > > > There appears to only be a couple of reasons they are cheaper and that > is > because of lack of the regulations imposed of manufacturing in China and > > their exploitation of labor. I'm willing to pay the price difference > for the > benefit of knowing that the employees are being treated fairly and > someone > is watching the manufacturing process to make sure it is safe and the > environment is being regarded. And yes, this is a conservative's voice. So, I wonder how much an Olympus E-3 would cost if built in the USA, UK, Germany, Australia, etc ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 01:25:20 2009 Received: (qmail 1295 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 00:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 00:25:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99738E1824D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:25:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95692E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:25:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0391CD497 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:25:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E231CD495 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:25:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.67]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 98516 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2009 00:25:15 -0000 Message-ID: <600401.98352.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TDs1ifEVM1nsJC4P37OAQu6YROG5E2v1hHBH8udXjHRN0.WP7ldIrdIdINYwQqzDuxix7k5id5guZBUWWhK642PsadTDzCGwCAx9RPQWsxlSlpuQ_eunESHcMogwWHRsbobkIBEEDs_yjP1fT7kh.jxN3fqkR0iCM0xzhBw505HJ29qyt.WwaXHj23n7YavzKqkIXBG_vjDYaq3Z8QobOCrzEtq1CCsH9Lz8BJ3bNxwPdu_AazatuitwiEY.jcR4o_OER6qqq6YlgUkTHiyIIZKznytZ3BWD3FTpoZm7IxMfOoy3_xOSOKM0vgschrB0jXwVtlxMFhl0zN5xJNRmUwck4CU9xvPg_Z7713zxz4n875a5.h5.LVQxmlaIM0inNJH392.T1Bgqqw0- Received: from [71.186.250.95] by web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:25:15 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:25:15 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6f8422750911030951r5fbeb5fcpf04c819d21a14faa@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] A few sunset shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 01:25:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0c9f0314201234514069 Stunning! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 01:29:55 2009 Received: (qmail 3876 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 00:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 00:29:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81EBE18247 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7A4E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:29:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698211CD48B for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:29:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E851CD488 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:29:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.238]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA40TnSG012881 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:29:49 +1100 Message-Id: <200911040029.nA40TnSG012881@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail04.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:29:49 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:29:49 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Macro OTF TTL X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 01:29:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0cb03219612013633067 > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > A valuable and rare piece of equipment. Lucky you :-) > ...and provides a great handle for ripping the shoe off the body. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 03:31:21 2009 Received: (qmail 29145 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 02:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 02:31:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB184E182A1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274D1E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:31:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0736534AC02F for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:31:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C792C34AC033 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:31:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jgettis81@earthlink.net whitelisted) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.175.75.103] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N5VeS-0002NO-3n for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:31:12 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22009113423112723@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:31:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da9404564fb05394effc29acb796e17be9219350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.75.103 Subject: Re: [OM] The Curse of the Lost Lens Cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 03:31:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0e779204047801554290 I had just had a thought (no one tell my wife) now that I have two extra lens caps does that mean to restore balance in the Universe I must not get two new lens? Shh she might be listening. John -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 03:35:49 2009 Received: (qmail 2880 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 02:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 02:35:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E87E182A3 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:35:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FD1E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:35:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFB71CD494 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:35:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3C01CD493 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:35:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jgettis81@earthlink.net whitelisted) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.175.75.103] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N5Vin-0006ag-SE for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:35:42 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22009113423542435@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:35:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da94001297162b33179e2595eef1a4378213e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.75.103 Subject: Re: [OM] Macro OTF TTL X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 03:35:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af0e885132936107113666 Basicly that means that with just two ttl cords you can set off and control 3 flashes? One in hotshoe with cord to second flash. One with ttl cord attached to camera then flash. Is that right. John > [Original Message] > From: Sawyer, Edward > To: olympus@thomasclausen.net > Date: 11/3/2009 6:38:08 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Macro OTF TTL > > Good to know multiple flashes can be daisy chained and such and still get TTL OTF. This package of macro stuff came with 2 of the T20 TTL shoe connectors, and a couple of ttl cords too, which may come in handy. It also came with the flash-extender piece (3" extension of hotshoe, to get flash up higher off camera if shooting normal non-macro flash). > > Thanks > -Ed > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 06:02:01 2009 Received: (qmail 7716 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 05:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 05:02:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF04E1822C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43EC6E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2449634AC034 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:01:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A270934AC033 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:01:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:01:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so8513955bwz.30 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:01:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.125.19 with SMTP id c19mr368597mun.59.1257310910265; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:01:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <600401.98352.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6f8422750911030951r5fbeb5fcpf04c819d21a14faa@mail.gmail.com> <600401.98352.qm@web39806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:01:50 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911032101q19729c9bg5b321d2915d9261a@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] A few sunset shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 06:02:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af10ac9229841006886880 Oh! - tanks for looking and commenting :-) I think I was lucky on this one, and was young enough to dance following the swing of the boat. Fernando. 2009/11/3 AS : > > Stunning! > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 06:11:06 2009 Received: (qmail 1460 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 05:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 05:11:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADE8E18228 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:11:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2300BE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F591CD48E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:11:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDF91CD488 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:11:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgnzalez@chasque.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:10:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-2-38.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.2.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nA45Ai42004728; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:10:45 -0200 Message-ID: <4AF10CD6.2050104@chasque.net> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:10:46 -0200 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@chasque.net Cc: John Hermanson Subject: [OM] One last (last ... ? - I hope so) question regarding the 80/4. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 06:11:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af10cea154601136683642 Is it possible _and safe_ to mount an 80/4 on a 25mm tube, and get focus to infinity? I fear I may damage the mirror, ar whatever else. TIA Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 06:33:15 2009 Received: (qmail 7738 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 05:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 05:33:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CD4E181AC for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AADE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9142E1CD489 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:33:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CDB1CD488 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:33:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so8528299bwz.30 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:33:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.127.32 with SMTP id e32mr387461mun.70.1257312788876; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:33:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:33:08 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911032133p636d3674xb3e90fc9a3b6fa31@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] An old comparison of scanned film vs microphotograph of film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 06:33:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1121b207801554290 Carlos, ... I'll end buying a pack of Astia 100F, though what I really need is a _good_ iso 400 slide film ;-) Good news:120 Provia 100F showed up in Mvd ... good chance to search for a nice camera for that format. I'll certainly find an inexpensive and mint sample here. Astia 100 might be found in Buenos Aires ... ugh!. Fernando. 2009/11/3 Carlos J. Santisteban : > > And RVP is not state of the art, at least concerning grain. Astia 100-F is > finer and not that bad in resolution/sharpness (without the lateral halation > issues of Provia). > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 07:09:51 2009 Received: (qmail 25253 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 06:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 06:09:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E75E1822D for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A917E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:09:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C77734AC02E for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:09:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FEB534AC033 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:09:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:09:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30293 invoked by uid 502); 4 Nov 2009 06:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.174.132) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2009 06:09:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF11A9D.1090604@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:09:33 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF10CD6.2050104@chasque.net> In-Reply-To: <4AF10CD6.2050104@chasque.net> Subject: Re: [OM] One last (last ... ? - I hope so) question regarding the 80/4. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 07:09:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af11aaf20981950411718 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Is it possible _and safe_ to mount an 80/4 on a 25mm tube, and get focus to infinity? > I fear I may damage the mirror, ar whatever else. > It is indeed safe, as the lens does not protrude beyond the tube. Looks to focus from a bit closer than 2m to past infinity. The question arises - why would one wish to do so? The lens is designed for macro work at repro ratios of 1:2 to 2:1. Undoubtedly, it will take at least half decent images at longer focal distances, but why not use a lens designed for those distances? 80/2, 90/2 or 100/2 or 2.8 would be better choices, I believe, as well as more convenient. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 07:24:01 2009 Received: (qmail 6026 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 06:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 06:23:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109C3E182A8 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A75FE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7123334AC036 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:23:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0116734AC034 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:23:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15764 invoked by uid 502); 4 Nov 2009 06:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.174.132) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2009 06:23:54 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:23:48 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr><5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> In-Reply-To: <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 07:24:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af11e01132521136683642 Sue Pearce wrote: > no, I'm the dolt, since it's so easy for everyone else. > At least you have Chuck and me for company. I haven't tried it since the original beta, which I found maddening to work with. That it was so slow, I could understand, and I assume that's been addressed. The thing was, I kept wanting to do things I did in PS, that were at the basis of my way of editing and either couldn't find a way to accomplish the same thing or found the approach to doing the same thing fell short in ease of use or, worse, results. I think preference between the interface models will largely boil down to what sort and volume of photography one does and what sort of editing one wishes to do. Also to at least some extent on one's attitude toward post processing work. If one finds it a chore and simply wishes a decent job done and over with, Lightroom is likely to appeal. If one views post as a crucial and enjoyable part of the process of creating a completed image, PS is more likely to satisfy. As to the function of keeping track of images, that must be wonderful for those who like its other functions. For me, it would have to chop wood, carry water, cook and clean up the dishes - and I'd still not use it for actual editing. All based on the first beta, so I suppose I might try the latest. Even foods I have always disliked get a taste every once in a while, to see if my tastes have changed. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 08:17:53 2009 Received: (qmail 24342 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 07:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 07:17:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82BAE1822C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30747E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:17:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030223610001 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:17:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B1734AC027 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:17:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4093 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2009 07:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 07:11:55 -0000 Message-Id: <696F7C8F-CB1D-44B7-B5FD-4A97B44957D0@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <380-22009113423112723@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:17:43 +1100 References: <380-22009113423112723@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] The Curse of the Lost Lens Cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 08:17:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af12aa174671612113968 Of course - now what other lens takes a 67mm cap... oh...only the 50-200mm Ah well. Remember when they were all 49mm or 55mm with a few 72mm? Now they have 43mm, 52mm, 58mm, 62mm, 67mm, 72mm, 77mm, 82mm, 105mm and 112mm! Everything BUT 49 and 55mm! Strewth! Salotta caps! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2009, at 1:31 PM, jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > I had just had a thought (no one tell my wife) now that I have two > extra > lens caps does that mean to restore balance in the Universe I must > not get > two new lens? Shh she might be listening. John -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 08:21:24 2009 Received: (qmail 17473 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 07:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 07:21:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3EBE1819F for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5323FE240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EED534AC036 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:21:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C42F34AC034 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:21:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5267 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2009 07:15:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) 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It's all gone offshore - the choice is no longer available because people simply wouldn't pay the extreme premium. No choice. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2009, at 11:21 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> There appears to only be a couple of reasons they are cheaper and >> that >> is >> because of lack of the regulations imposed of manufacturing in >> China and >> >> their exploitation of labor. I'm willing to pay the price difference >> for the >> benefit of knowing that the employees are being treated fairly and >> someone >> is watching the manufacturing process to make sure it is safe and the >> environment is being regarded. And yes, this is a conservative's >> voice. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 08:49:37 2009 Received: (qmail 3067 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 07:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 07:49:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74ED9E18255 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:49:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91046E240C1 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EC834AC026 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:49:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF1234AC025 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:49:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so2403207ewy.14 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:49:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.135 with SMTP id w7mr459562wee.176.1257320969681; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:49:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:49:29 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f2f3f80c0a96ad04 Message-ID: <9f07ac840911032349g1e35a55frf34d70a09cbe76c0@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] PURSUIT magazine interview with Yasuo Funakoshi, the man who was in charge of designing the OLYMPUS PEN E-P1 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 08:49:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1321131861950411718 In case you don't subscribe... but it's a rather short interview :-( http://www.olympus.co.jp/en/magazine/pursuit/innovations/current/index.cfm br Jez -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 09:29:34 2009 Received: (qmail 11534 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 08:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 08:29:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3191CE182A7 for ; 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Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:29:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.webofnilsson.com (fh20n1-m-rg-a13.ias.bredband.telia.com [195.67.213.20]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8497437E4F for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:29:23 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.webofnilsson.com (Postfix, from userid 33) id 8D9B52D6C5; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:28:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from 192.16.134.69 ([192.16.134.69]) by mail.webofnilsson.com (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:28:46 +0100 Message-ID: <20091104092846.22095xy8xrlyah8o@mail.webofnilsson.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:28:46 +0100 From: "Rickard Nilsson" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AF09F45.4090507@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF09F45.4090507@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.2) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 09:29:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af13b6e185421220213263 Quoting "Chuck Norcutt" : > Thanks, Rickard. I intended to make a similar response but it wouldn't > have had the additional fine points of using the E-3 which I am not > familiar with. But I can read the E-3 manual and the use of the front > (sub) dial to set the aperture in manual mode makes no mention of > needing to press the exposure compensation [+/-] dial at the same time. > That makes sense to me. Perhaps you were confused? Yes, that was a moment of confusion here :) I forgot that the E-3 have a second dial on the front which can set the aperture directly. On E5xx, you need to press the [+/-] button. I do not own an E-3, only E-500 and E-520. Regards, Rickard Nilsson > Chuck Norcutt > > > > Rickard Nilsson wrote: >> Den 2009-11-02 23:46:19 skrev Brian Swale : >> >>> (b) Using something like the OM4 to set exposure as I already do for my >>> manual film cameras - if I have an interesting scene where I will want >>> to try a >>> range of compositions (and I know that the E-3 will alter the exposure >>> for >>> every composition even though the illumination of the scene has not >>> changed one iota), I will want to set one reliable combination of speed >>> and >>> aperture on manual and leave that constant through the set of shots. >> >> >>> (d) and having stabilised exposure, I also have to simultaneously find a >>> way >>> to cause the camera to focus on a spot I decide upon - be it near or far >>> - >>> while I move the frame to get the composition I want. Easy with film - >>> but >>> digital ? >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt described the remedy to those two points in an earlier >> post. The trick is the following: >> >> * Set the camera to manual exposure and manual focus. >> >> * Configure the AEL/AFL setting to mode "M3". This will cause >> the AEL/AFL button to work as a "focus-on-demand"-button. Remember >> to activate only the middle focus point, for consisten behaviour. >> >> * Set the function of the thumb dial to Shutter (in Manual mode). >> >> * If you like, switch the FN and AEL/AFL buttons so the focus >> function is available to you just below the thumb dial. >> >> With these settings, it is simple to get consistent exposure and >> focusing: >> >> 1. Set ISO. >> >> 2. Set aperture (by pressing the +/- button and turning the >> dial at the same time) >> >> 3. Point the camera towards something you like to set your >> exposure after. You can use either spot or pattern metering. >> Adjust the shutter time by turning the thumb dial. You can >> directly read out the amount of over- or underexposure the >> camera thinks you are doing, both in the viewfinder and >> on the LCD. >> You can configure both the direction of the thumb dial, >> and the amount it should increase/decrease shutter time. >> I prefer to have it to increase the shutter time a half >> stop when I turn it right. That makes sense when shifting >> aperture on manual Zuikos to. >> >> 4. Point the camera towards something you want to focus on, >> and press the AEL/AFL (or FN) button. >> >> 5. Now, exposure and focus is set, you can freely compose >> and then take the photo. The camera won't change any >> setting when you press the shutter button. >> >> Since all settings will remain after the shot, you often just >> have to change the focus for the next shot. >> >> >> Regards, >> Rickard Nilsson >> >> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 09:55:40 2009 Received: (qmail 29912 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 08:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 08:55:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48CDE18236 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:55:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE05E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:55:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B22019D9D4 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:55:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 1.244 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.244 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.001, MPART_ALT_DIFF=1.143, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5830F19D992 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:55:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (dynamic or unknown reverse DNS) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25601 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 08:55:29 -0000 Received: from 195.57.192.25 by www-eu004.v300.gmx.net with HTTP Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:55:28 +0100 From: photo@frozenlight.eu Message-ID: <20091104085528.317580@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-Authenticated: #59697443 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer X-GMX-UID: tHPIcjhJYW0tLkea72VpRUZ8amthcxtx X-FuHaFi: X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] test from GMX, please ignore X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 09:55:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1418c266149730998309 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 09:58:43 2009 Received: (qmail 27294 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 08:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 08:58:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4454AE181BA for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C9AE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48BC34AC024 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:58:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8D534AC025 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:58:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:58:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15396 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2009 08:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 08:52:46 -0000 Message-Id: <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:58:35 +1100 References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr><5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 09:58:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1424330521076813867 The point is that if your versions of LR and PS are compatible (CS4 and LR2) then you can slip seamlessly from Lightroom into PS, do your post work and then return to LR. It's not an 'either/or' situation. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2009, at 5:23 PM, Moose wrote: > I think preference between the interface models will largely boil down > to what sort and volume of photography one does and what sort of > editing > one wishes to do. Also to at least some extent on one's attitude > toward > post processing work. If one finds it a chore and simply wishes a > decent > job done and over with, Lightroom is likely to appeal. If one views > post > as a crucial and enjoyable part of the process of creating a completed > image, PS is more likely to satisfy. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 11:07:10 2009 Received: (qmail 15314 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 10:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 10:07:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283CEE181D8 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:07:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4357EE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0986E19DD10 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:06:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C88B19DD1D for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:06:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10903 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2009 10:06:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091103-1, 11/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Macro OTF TTL X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 11:07:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1524e1581234514069 Correct. But plugging a T-32 into a "TTL auto connector T20" adds another TTL cord attachment point to continue extending the daisy chain if desired. Off-camera flash heads needs some sort of off-camera shoe to plug into. You can use generic shoes but these do not add a TTL connection. If you use the T20 TTL shoe connector the physical support for the flash also contains another TTL connector giving two TTL ports for each flash head so connected. Chuck Norcutt jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > Basicly that means that with just two ttl cords you can set off and control > 3 flashes? One in hotshoe with cord to second flash. One with ttl cord > attached to camera then flash. Is that right. John > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Sawyer, Edward >> To: olympus@thomasclausen.net >> Date: 11/3/2009 6:38:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Macro OTF TTL >> >> Good to know multiple flashes can be daisy chained and such and still get > TTL OTF. This package of macro stuff came with 2 of the T20 TTL shoe > connectors, and a couple of ttl cords too, which may come in handy. It also > came with the flash-extender piece (3" extension of hotshoe, to get flash > up higher off camera if shooting normal non-macro flash). >> Thanks >> -Ed >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 11:32:35 2009 Received: (qmail 12749 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 10:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 10:32:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8E8E18228 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA442E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:32:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0D219DDBF for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:32:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3E619DDBE for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:32:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:32:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1N5dA1-00027g-Ky for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:32:18 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1N5d9w-0004b8-4B for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:32:12 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF1582A.6050407@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:32:10 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF07985.4020706@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 11:32:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af15843315111946193717 Ken Norton wrote: >> I'm running 2.5 and trying the Beta of 3 now. The rendering is better in >> 3, no question, the colour noise reduction tool is also vastly improved. >> If they can do similar things with the luminance noise, it'd be great. >> > > Rawshooter algorithms must finally be incorporated. > > AG ;-) Supposed to be a ground-up rebuild of the program, I wouldn't argue with that. It was, to me, very good before. YMMV, I know everyone has a view on software. I've been running the various Betas from the start, it's certainly come a long way in a short time. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 11:36:16 2009 Received: (qmail 25929 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 10:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 10:36:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B126E18214 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7363AE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F94019DDC9 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:36:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF8519DDC2 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:36:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.107]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:36:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 39110 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2009 10:36:06 -0000 Message-ID: <773312.36133.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: s5zJh2UVM1nplLvKl0eglISxctZQ0FJcB9pzo6DE07d.pR71JDjCQuvyF._csqvj6ErvCB1lyOQRrIpMtSATbIOiCHrI.2ga94A_LsUzpGduNCxwT2PKHaTQ7tBEA7DxrN0HUvXiMw8wQtEl4l0owZwwAvUHBC7myuR5bAm7w2rlGtNcAoNyVqKtPwwnRQw2P2iHs11LHykF8TRYniyAJqYyC4shOzMuWc_3GVcPftHqDMa.g1FloYzA1lCl61IZn4kWmMtMT7bgW5wcXFz9kzh0bOIMkCtFfhyLASPK9lzCeoNcHEwPdTZUTMPPmCxEMW59r583fIcj4xaGMvfE3x5Tik_kd6H3Pf3CUgAK6qnXioerqN2mYvR5.c93drTvSpU9htsvhAfjz7XADd2cFHJDmvqkwW.RSE91Aj.XHFIZy1AzLuiPVDMJNtzry8u7uAQa__kdnJ4Vs3HuvjEkp_Kf Received: from [99.37.158.77] by web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:36:06 PST X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 02:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 250/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 11:36:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af15920310511612113968 << The focusing, for tracking any kind of moving target, is terrible on=A0 the= 300/4.5 though. I wish they had brought out a later, internal focusing variant of one=A0 of= the small 200mm / 300mm lenses. >> =A0 The Novoflex follow focus lenses work really well with OM's and of course a= re great at tracking moving targets.=A0 Gary Reese tested=A0a few Novoflex'= s on his website using=A0them on OM's. =A0The really big ones 400+ mm get a= bit unwieldly. = =A0 Although fairly simple lenses they are very sharp at centre being optimised= for=A0wide open sports/animal use. They just=A0let the corners go soft. Th= ey also have really good bokeh since they have an incredible number of blad= es on diaphragm. My favourites are the 240mm and 330mm. The 240mm is actual= ly reasonably compact=A0(though=A0not retro-focus design) when racked to ze= ro, so=A0one of my favourite travel lenses, works well with 1.4TC too.=A0 =A0 Gary's most careful and best result with novoflex 400mm f5.6 : >>>>>>> OM-2000 with mirror prefire and second tripod supporting hood - camera rightside up, but mounted to tripod with head oriented vertically; Vignetting =3D A- @ f/5.6, A thereafter Distortion =3D slight pincushion Aperture=A0 Center=A0=A0=A0 Corner f/5.6=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B- f/8=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B f/11=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B+ f/16=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B+ f/22=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0B f/32=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B+=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 B+ Notes: High contrast; slightly cooler images than with a 400mm f/6.3 Zuiko.= Best employed on a tripod with a tripod collar forward of the pistol grip = - but unavailable that way for testing. <<<< Compare result with the best result from Zuiko 400mm 6.3 of same Focal leng= th (but slower lens): >>> OM-2000 with mirror and diaphram prefire Vignetting =3D none Distortion =3D Slight pincushion Aperture=A0=A0=A0 Center=A0=A0=A0 Corner f/6.3=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 C+=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 C+ f/8=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B- f/11=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B+=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B- f/16=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B+=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B f/22=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B+=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B f/32=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B+=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B+ Notes: Moderately high contrast images. <<< =A0 Gary really liked the 250mm F2 results: >>> 250mm f/2 Zuiko (multi-coated) Vignetting =3D C @ f/2, A- @ f/2.8, A @ f/5.6 Distortion =3D none OM-4 w/ mirror and aperture prefire Aperture=A0 Center=A0=A0=A0 Corner f/2=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B+ f/2.8=A0=A0=A0=A0 A+=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A- f/4=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A+=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A f/5.6=A0=A0=A0=A0 A+=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A+ f/8=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A- f/11=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A- f/16=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A- f/22=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 A-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 B+ Notes: Extremely high contrast and resolving power at all apertures with on= ly a minor loss in the corners at f/2 and f/22. Strong vignetting at f/2, r= equiring exposure compensation for critical work. Probably the best overall= image quality of any OM System Zuiko lens made. Brillant images with f/5.6= showing corner to corner clarity unsurpassed by any Zuiko tested. <<< =A0 Tim Hughes =A0=A0 = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 12:16:59 2009 Received: (qmail 20039 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 11:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 11:16:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B38AE181BA for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4DBE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88F419DF87 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:16:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2559C19DF86 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:16:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9642 invoked by uid 502); 4 Nov 2009 11:16:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.174.132) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2009 11:16:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF16277.9000108@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:16:07 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr><5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 12:16:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af162ab103832439112457 Andrew Fildes wrote: > The point is that if your versions of LR and PS are compatible (CS4 and LR2) then you can slip seamlessly from Lightroom into PS, do your post work and then return to LR. It's not an 'either/or' situation. > Let's see now, how much is an upgrade from CS3 and a new copy of LR2? By golly, that's about the price of a G11! So I suppose one point is more money to Adobe, both up front and on the upgrade path. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 12:49:35 2009 Received: (qmail 30688 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 11:49:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 11:49:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC2AE18279 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:49:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853F3E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E21819E0EC for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:49:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094DF19E0E5 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:49:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:49:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1N5eMi-0006aF-EX for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:49:28 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1N5eM3-00075b-Np for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:48:47 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF16A1E.4000101@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:48:46 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr><5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 12:49:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af16a4f289041006886880 Moose wrote: > > > I haven't tried it since the original beta, which I found maddening to > work with. That it was so slow, I could understand, and I assume that's > been addressed. > > I don't know if the improvements will change your view, Moose. The 'ethic' behind Lightroom remains the same, it's a digital asset management program with excellent development tools, but heavy lifting like layers and masks and perspective control is handed over to Photoshop. As Andrew says, they've made that pretty seamless, if your hardware can handle it (and you have the cash). I don't know the programming overhead involved in the above-mentioned adjustments, but I'd like basic keystone correction ability and easier geotagging built in, but they already know about those; much-requested features! The changes to the interface in the new Beta give me the eerie feeling (I've had it before) that they're watching me over my shoulder and adding the features that make me go 'tsk!' when I find they're not there (like Collections being available in all modules...)! D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 12:55:43 2009 Received: (qmail 10458 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 11:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 11:55:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4FEE18200 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:55:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C336AE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EC034AC026 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:55:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B92D34AC024 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:55:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:55:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7067723.16511257336543424.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 639 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:09:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <773312.36133.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:55:33 +0200 References: <773312.36133.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 250/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 12:55:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af16bbf54475034211378 On 04 Nov 2009, at 12:36 PM, Tim Hughes wrote: > The focusing, for tracking any kind of moving target, is terrible > on the 300/4.5 though. > I wish they had brought out a later, internal focusing variant of > one of the small 200mm / 300mm lenses. >>> > > The Novoflex follow focus lenses work Blah blah blah Yes, but *where are the 250/2.0 sample images*, people?? :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 13:01:14 2009 Received: (qmail 8398 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 12:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 12:01:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB40E181CC for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:01:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98794E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDDF19E13E for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:01:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABD319DBC7 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:01:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:01:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <12641340.16521257336875562.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 67 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:14:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <696F7C8F-CB1D-44B7-B5FD-4A97B44957D0@people.net.au> X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:01:03 +0200 References: <380-22009113423112723@earthlink.net> <696F7C8F-CB1D-44B7-B5FD-4A97B44957D0@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] The Curse of the Lost Lens Cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 13:01:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af16d0932871946193717 Mamiya RB lenses are even better, they are all 77mm, from ultra-wide (50mm) to Long Telephoto (500mm) :-) The Olympus e-system lens cap and filter sizes are crazy... On 04 Nov 2009, at 9:17 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Of course - now what other lens takes a 67mm cap... oh...only the > 50-200mm Ah well. > Remember when they were all 49mm or 55mm with a few 72mm? > Now they have 43mm, 52mm, 58mm, 62mm, 67mm, 72mm, 77mm, 82mm, 105mm > and 112mm! > Everything BUT 49 and 55mm! > Strewth! Salotta caps! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 13:08:54 2009 Received: (qmail 6276 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 12:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 12:08:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D06E182AA for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5517FE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:08:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3494119E174 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:08:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E7F19E166 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:08:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f212.google.com (mail-gx0-f212.google.com [209.85.217.212]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:08:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so6559827gxk.8 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:08:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.23.18 with SMTP id a18mr1089777anj.144.1257336526585; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:08:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <12641340.16521257336875562.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <380-22009113423112723@earthlink.net> <696F7C8F-CB1D-44B7-B5FD-4A97B44957D0@people.net.au> <12641340.16521257336875562.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:08:46 +0100 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] The Curse of the Lost Lens Cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 13:08:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af16ed6232881744846740 Yes, there's NO logic in the system anymore, I agree. It is as stupid to have two different remote cords, hoods which are not interchangeable between the two 50-200's the macro flash ring which can't fit to the 50-200 SWD. I think I have a different word for system in my dictionary! Iwert 2009/11/4 Dawid Loubser : > Mamiya RB lenses are even better, they are all 77mm, from ultra-wide > (50mm) > to Long Telephoto (500mm) :-) The Olympus e-system lens cap and filter > sizes are crazy... > > On 04 Nov 2009, at 9:17 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> Of course - now what other lens takes a 67mm cap... oh...only the >> 50-200mm Ah well. >> Remember when they were all 49mm or 55mm with a few 72mm? >> Now they have 43mm, 52mm, 58mm, 62mm, 67mm, 72mm, 77mm, 82mm, 105mm >> and 112mm! >> Everything BUT 49 and 55mm! >> Strewth! Salotta caps! >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 13:20:18 2009 Received: (qmail 705 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 12:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 12:20:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA213E18200 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB9EE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:20:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1E534AC027 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:20:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159CC34AC025 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:20:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so2077409fga.8 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:20:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.144 with SMTP id s16mr143306hba.145.1257337207682; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:20:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:20:07 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Retouchng pictures X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 13:20:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af17182136251342116753 Hi Boris, Paul and all, From: Willie Wonka >In my sleep I heard yet another discussion about the murkins landing on the Moon. Someone asked the question if the pictures >that were released to the public were retouched. The guest of the show provided an answer within these lines: > >"You cannot retouch individual pictures, they all have to be on the same roll or have to be transferred to a roll of film...". That makes little-to-no sense to me... Paul Braun wrote: > Nothing made me prouder of our astronauts than when Buzz Aldrin decked > the guy who got in his face about faking the moon landing. LOL! Several years ago I watched a documentary about this topic. It had interviews with the hoax proponents... because of the amount of foolish things they were saying, the Moon Landing _must_ be true! ;^) Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 13:28:01 2009 Received: (qmail 23731 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 12:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 12:28:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0DEE182A2 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:28:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92B7E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9FF34AC026 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:27:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374DC34AC024 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:27:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so2584563ewy.14 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:27:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.237.193 with SMTP id k1mr145146hbp.173.1257337674398; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:27:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:27:54 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] film scanning [was I have antz in my pantz with this A/Vhell...] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 13:28:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af17351110971342116753 Hi C.H. and all, From: "C.H.Ling" >Scanning does not reduce dynamic range, your monitor does. If you have a >monitor that delivery real 10000:1 contrast ratio you can reproduce the >dynamic range of even RVP50, for other slides you may need a little less. The limitation I find in scanners (at least, the models I have access to) is shadow detail on slides -- or highlight detail on negatives. When you try to brighten the shadows and only get noise (even at 16 bit/channel), there's nothing the monitor could do. Of course, the monitor may cause further limitation on DR of displayed pictures. However, I _think_ that using a camera for "scanning" the slides allows to get much more shadow detail by using a much longer exposure -- at the expense of highlights, of course. This way is possible to make some sort of HDR pic from the same slide. Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 13:31:41 2009 Received: (qmail 26592 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 12:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 12:31:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1FCE1805D for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E960CE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D0719E278 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:31:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D19719E27B for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:31:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so2587659ewy.14 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:31:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.1.5 with SMTP id 5mr1646934ebd.9.1257337893971; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:31:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF07985.4020706@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF07985.4020706@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:31:33 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1a39e55496404d93 Message-ID: <9f07ac840911040431uf379cd5g92c2167b27c5a308@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 13:31:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1742d242701220213263 Donald - I've been following the video tutorials on What's New and it gives the impression that they've disabled some LR2.5 features so that you concentrate on the new LR3beta features - in particular it was mentioned that Luminance Noise reduction has been disabled. Can you confirm that? cheers jez On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Donald wrote: > > I'm running 2.5 and trying the Beta of 3 now. The rendering is better in > 3, no question, the colour noise reduction tool is also vastly improved. > If they can do similar things with the luminance noise, it'd be great. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 13:32:56 2009 Received: (qmail 7175 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 12:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 12:32:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAF2E1824C for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E86E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AD734AC025 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:32:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD27C34AC029 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:32:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.147]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1440072eyg.8 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:32:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.25.74 with SMTP id y10mr1668196ebb.14.1257337967176; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:32:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:32:46 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 30a70e10f3fc772a Message-ID: <9f07ac840911040432p699ddf81l8696841d7a9f64ef@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 3/11/2009: back in Alicante X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 13:32:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af174789022517112723 Damn you! Jez On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Yesterday afternoon, I was walking around Copenhagen in the rain. The > thermometer on the big square in front of City Hall indicated +4C. > This morning I flew home to Alicante, and this afternoon I went for my > usual bicycle ride. I still love Copenhagen, but there is something to > be said for a place where you see this in November: > > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#702290487_4s2Zj-O-LB > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 13:37:51 2009 Received: (qmail 15433 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 12:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 12:37:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAF8E18228 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690B8E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4422F19E2B8 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:37:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F375319E2A4 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:37:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so8890866bwz.30 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:37:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.237.193 with SMTP id k1mr146225hbp.173.1257338262661; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:37:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:37:42 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 42: water and wine X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 13:37:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1759f101581220213263 Hi Nathan and all, From: Nathan Wajsman > Main: love that textures. Alt-3: would say the same as Alt-4, but at least on this cheap, uncalibrated monitor (at work) doesn't look that great. Alt-4: I like very much the effect of clouds with such huge variations on brightness _and_ hue, from dark grey to bright blue. Alt-5: interesting composition and use of colour -- also a bit of the aforementioned clouds. Which focal length? Alt-7: such kind of lighting is becoming very popular for candids... Alt-9: very well exposed, but the point of focus seems a bit disturbing to me. Even with the obviously limited DOF, I would triend to focus on the foreground. IMHO. Alt-10: great clear sky and contrast with the red stripes. Alt-13: another classic, well executed. Alt-14: very, very nice! Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 13:40:30 2009 Received: (qmail 518 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 12:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 12:40:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70A5E18229 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:40:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A36E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7174F34AC027 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:40:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E5834AC025 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:40:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:40:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1N5f9x-0005DE-L1 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:40:21 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1N5f9g-0006EW-Tg for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:40:04 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF17624.2090505@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:40:04 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF07985.4020706@blueyonder.co.uk> <9f07ac840911040431uf379cd5g92c2167b27c5a308@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911040431uf379cd5g92c2167b27c5a308@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 13:40:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1763e26851234514069 Jez Cunningham wrote: > Donald - I've been following the video tutorials on What's New and it gives > the impression that they've disabled some LR2.5 features so that you > concentrate on the new LR3beta features - in particular it was mentioned > that Luminance Noise reduction has been disabled. Can you confirm that? > cheers > jez > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Donald wrote: > >> I'm running 2.5 and trying the Beta of 3 now. The rendering is better in >> 3, no question, the colour noise reduction tool is also vastly improved. >> If they can do similar things with the luminance noise, it'd be great. >> >> Yes, though the steer I got was that it, too, is being redone, and isn't ready. It is an early Beta. I have some files from the E-1 and E-400 that benefited from the colour noise filter, but left luminance noise that would be nice to get rid of. Patience, they say, is a virtue... ;-) D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 13:41:54 2009 Received: (qmail 3026 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 12:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 12:41:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E9DE1805D for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6EBE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB7D34AC028 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:41:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A7334AC025 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:41:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:41:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so8895236bwz.30 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:41:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.170.24 with SMTP id q24mr146365hbe.2.1257338507856; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:41:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:41:47 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 25/10/2009 and 28/10/2009: legs and beach X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 13:41:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af17692174287801554290 Hi Nathan and all, From: Nathan Wajsman >< http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#695760212_ret8E-O-LB > Wonderful all the way! And the reddish light at the horizon makes it a very different picture. Thanks for sharing, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 14:07:35 2009 Received: (qmail 13425 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 13:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 13:07:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA647E18214 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDEFE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CC319E3C4 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:07:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D1F19E3E3 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:07:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091104130727800.SHKB9287@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:07:27 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:07:27 -0500 References: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Holiday snaps and postcards - Engelberg (CH) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 14:07:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af17c97163811234514069 Excellent, excellent. The yellow door, for sure. And the lone gentleman in the cafe. The napkins make the shot. And the foliage is spectacular, along with the evergreens in rising mist. Wonderful work! --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Nov 3, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Philippe Amard wrote: > Just uploaded a few more pixes; start here, > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html > and click on the arrow to the right. > > Some can be seen large I guess. > > C&C welcome as usual > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 14:34:07 2009 Received: (qmail 5209 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 13:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 13:34:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B877E181B1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60108E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ABAE34AC028 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:34:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B4334AC027 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:33:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ralf_loi@it.ibm.com whitelisted) Received: from mtagate5.de.ibm.com (mtagate5.de.ibm.com [195.212.17.165]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate5.de.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA4DXvwV019136 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:33:57 GMT Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id nA4DXv1m1323188 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:33:57 +0100 Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id nA4DXv4x016759 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:33:57 +0100 Received: from d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12ml401.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.166.154]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nA4DXvLo016756 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:33:57 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> X-Disclaimed: 10822 To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF277 June 21, 2006 From: Ralf Loi X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 04/11/2009 14.33.58, Serialize by Notes Client on Ralf Loi/Italy/IBM(Release 7.0 HF277|June 21, 2006) at 04/11/2009 14.33.58, Serialize complete at 04/11/2009 14.33.58, S/MIME Sign failed at 04/11/2009 14.33.58: The cryptographic key was not found, Serialize by Router on D12ML401/12/M/IBM(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 04/11/2009 14:33:56, Serialize complete at 04/11/2009 14:33:56 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:33:56 +0100 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Holiday snaps and postcards - Engelberg (CH) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 14:34:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af182cf270607801554290 Excellent work! I can't find a favorite... BTW, are you aware of the meaning? Engelberg -> Angel Mountain Ralf -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 14:37:09 2009 Received: (qmail 11630 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 13:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 13:37:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C794BE1805D for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:37:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06FA2E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDAD734AC026 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:37:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531CB34AC025 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:37:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:37:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSL00JMV75NT8E3@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:36:59 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AF1837E.1070908@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:37:02 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> In-reply-to: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Holiday snaps and postcards - Engelberg (CH) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 14:37:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1838576211258626592 Beautiful work and locales. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Philippe Amard wrote: > Just uploaded a few more pixes; start here, > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html > and click on the arrow to the right. > > Some can be seen large I guess. > > C&C welcome as usual > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 14:47:09 2009 Received: (qmail 32670 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 13:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 13:47:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB93E1819F for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751B6E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC4019E5C7 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:46:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE3B19E5C5 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:46:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ed.sawyer@unh.edu whitelisted) Received: from exchange.unh.edu (ray.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from skate.ad.unh.edu ([169.254.3.159]) by ray.ad.unh.edu ([132.177.152.6]) with mapi; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:46:57 -0500 From: "Sawyer, Edward" To: "'olympus@thomasclausen.net'" Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:45:45 -0500 Thread-Topic: OTF/TTL macro, et al. (WTB: Shoe 3) Thread-Index: Acpc9yDXmxODKh9CSdCoeOaKaK0YZQAXYPfw Message-ID: <559118BA300F3F45AC547BC9E4FD7D99186FF60DD8@SKATE.ad.unh.edu> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] OTF/TTL macro, et al. (WTB: Shoe 3) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 14:47:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af185dd314771560218263 Hi guys - Thanks for the info on everything. I think at this point I will try to find a Shoe3 and use that on my existing OM2 for the macro rig. If that doesn't work out or has issues, I can always go for an OM-4 later if need be. Any one have a Shoe3 to sell / trade? I have various OM bits I could offer in trade... (Shoe2, lens cases, hoods, etc.? ) or cash too of course. Piers, good idea on the enlarger as a macro stand! I have a spare older Beseler 23C in storage I have had for years but not used. That could work. (I use a 45VXL for my enlarger at home). Where I work, they have an older Polaroid copy stand rig they are thinking of selling, I am trying to see if I can get that - it would be even easier to adapt for use than an enlarger. We'll see how that pans out. Thanks again everyone! -Ed -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 14:49:07 2009 Received: (qmail 15194 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 13:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 13:49:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0629DE18228 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121F5E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB2619E5D1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:48:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B8919E5BC for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:48:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:48:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA4DmK8w004014 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:48:20 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.d37.589dd82e (30740) for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:48:15 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:48:15 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5006 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 14:49:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af18653194211234514069 In a message dated 11/3/2009 6:21:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au writes: So, I wonder how much an Olympus E-3 would cost if built in the USA, UK, Germany, Australia, etc ? I have no idea. Another question might be, what would the affect be on our economy if that industry was one in which we excelled. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 14:52:46 2009 Received: (qmail 11866 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 13:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 13:52:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6289AE18212 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB2AE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252CB19E603 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:52:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CAB19E5FA for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:52:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA4DqUVJ007152 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:52:30 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.d39.5ba6ef28 (30740) for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:52:25 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:52:24 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5006 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 14:52:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1872e274931258626592 In a message dated 11/4/2009 1:21:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, afildes@people.net.au writes: It's all gone offshore - the choice is no longer available because people simply wouldn't pay the extreme premium. No choice. Sad, but true in many cases. I've recently had a new home built and had top of the line GE appliances installed. I didn't realize until they were being installed that every one of them was made in China. Had I know earlier, I would have looked at alternatives. Same situation for Hunter ceiling fans. In that case, I bought old refurbished made in USA Hunter fans. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 15:03:09 2009 Received: (qmail 14388 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 14:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 14:03:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB70E181D6 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:03:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08E0E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A6819E660 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:03:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E11A19E665 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:03:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alienspecimen@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.150]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5010 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2009 14:03:02 -0000 Message-ID: <460238.4876.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6gV_l7UVM1kICBnwBW_t_VO9Xf6D0XQnXdlqD_FMlWsBl6wQIvzOz8NrtuppuQBqM3jHc3B5YzwA8_H7wc86KJQsDBaK5Iz1TWYZFzj3qcw7o1sCReK5kZJPZU8BJMOC4SK.9MPpZJiIOQ0dn8_Zc2pUTLuAoCwxh424bdSJFoLCx9NzyleKeWVCmzqTzE_sViHmcf1TXAH8MNmhY2CSvhi8tlVKIBsCgoZHBfzSk.._8khpSp6Uu5fXBkwLtyrGcQ7vGEJVzfuJ10ecRNH8j2zHuDTfp.ncLvqfDAbdR62_5AzH5AmOj_sfQsdhTIZFur7PUnL.xwNxW.7Zb4Dw2tti75Qi4zzmGcNkq62n7e4A_2caB5c7eQ8Pc2ta_kxnmw.xC5GDWGCLM7aw3MJpVluN38_4HOc9dA99zRCKem7RpQ2pAotxfYjWpaNHARpmRfRApdRkC0Y0PsocEdj5QpnYEWErHKRfALAd10umVV.advlWTvtH7._cI5k1MzQ_KQ-- Received: from [199.46.198.230] by web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:03:02 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:03:02 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Adobe Bridge settings X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 15:03:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1899d99841413256596 I use Adobe Bridge extensively. =A0 After a computer crash, I had to reinstall my Adobe in Design package (CS2)= and the Bridge started exhibiting the following problem: =A0 When I open the folder, the icons show up and then the process of brightnes= s adjustment begins...ie I have a lot of high/low key pictures and all of t= hem get set to the "proper" exposure (probably thats how they will look if = the camera was in one of the automatic settings...:) =A0 Once I click on the icon, the image opens exposed to whatever CS2 decides t= he proper exposure is.=A0 In addition to that, I am missing a whole step.= =A0 = =A0 Before, if the file was RAW, PS will come up with a preview window, now thi= s is gone.=A0 I don't really care about this step, I just want to stop Brid= ge from automatically adjusting my images. =A0 In a mean time, I needed to upgrade to CS4 and that did not solve the probl= em. =A0 Anyone knows where that menu that turns off the automatic image adjustment = is? =A0 Thanks =A0 Boris = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 15:04:14 2009 Received: (qmail 15361 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 14:04:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 14:04:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DD8E18245 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7453E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54CE34AC026 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:03:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC5C34AC025 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:03:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA4E3Hv8024823 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:03:18 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <6807CEE3750148A990AAD2E47C58454C@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:02:08 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] film scanning [was I have antz in my pantz with thisA/Vhell...] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 15:04:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af189de31539752976205 I think you have mixed up the capture capability (range) and display capability, 4000ED has d-range of 0 to 4.2, it is enough to capture the brightness and the darkest range of RVP50. I don't see why you need to brighten the shadows, brighten the shadows means you are reducing the display d-range. A normal exposed and extreme high contrast RVP50 slide may have density from 0.0x to 4.0. If you are playing with HDR this is another story but 4000ED provide 16x multi-scan, the limit actually is the film itself not scanner. Here is a direct scan of RVP50 slide with high contrast scene, from the histrogram you can see 4000ED has captured almost every details of the brightest and darkest range. But when displayed on my EIZO monitor it is reduced to 500:1, that's why people found scanned slide doesn't look as good as view through lightbox, since you have compressed a 10000:1 image to a 1:500 display. www.accura.com.hk/temp/RVP-direct.jpg Here is the adjusted version, which look more close to the original slide view through lightbox: www.accura.com.hk/temp/RVP-fit-vision.jpg Also, I don't see limtation on any negative even T-Max 100 since the d-range of negative is much more narrow than slide. At the mean time how many bit/channel doesn't indicate the capture d-range capability of the scanner, too less bit only create potential bending problem for post editing. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" > Hi C.H. and all, > > From: "C.H.Ling" >>Scanning does not reduce dynamic range, your monitor does. If you have a >>monitor that delivery real 10000:1 contrast ratio you can reproduce the >>dynamic range of even RVP50, for other slides you may need a little less. > > The limitation I find in scanners (at least, the models I have access to) > is > shadow detail on slides -- or highlight detail on negatives. When you try > to > brighten the shadows and only get noise (even at 16 bit/channel), there's > nothing the monitor could do. > > Of course, the monitor may cause further limitation on DR of displayed > pictures. > > However, I _think_ that using a camera for "scanning" the slides allows to > get much more shadow detail by using a much longer exposure -- at the > expense of highlights, of course. This way is possible to make some sort > of > HDR pic from the same slide. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 15:19:50 2009 Received: (qmail 21449 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 14:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 14:19:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA753E182AD for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:19:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7923DE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:19:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE7034AC025 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:19:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170C034AC024 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:19:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091104141945118.UPWW9287@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:19:45 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <460238.4876.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:19:44 -0500 References: <460238.4876.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Adobe Bridge settings X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 15:19:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af18d8678371234514069 I'm on CS4 now, so this may not help, but when in Bridge, there's two preference settings, one for Camera RAW and one for Bridge. You might check your options here and see if there's something to change. I know on mine there are buttons to reset all the defaults, which may also do the trick for you. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Nov 4, 2009, at 9:03 AM, Willie Wonka wrote: > I use Adobe Bridge extensively. > > After a computer crash, I had to reinstall my Adobe in Design > package (CS2) and the Bridge started exhibiting the following problem: > > When I open the folder, the icons show up and then the process of > brightness adjustment begins...ie I have a lot of high/low key > pictures and all of them get set to the "proper" exposure (probably > thats how they will look if the camera was in one of the automatic > settings...:) > > Once I click on the icon, the image opens exposed to whatever CS2 > decides the proper exposure is. In addition to that, I am missing a > whole step. > > Before, if the file was RAW, PS will come up with a preview window, > now this is gone. I don't really care about this step, I just want > to stop Bridge from automatically adjusting my images. > > In a mean time, I needed to upgrade to CS4 and that did not solve > the problem. > > Anyone knows where that menu that turns off the automatic image > adjustment is? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 15:25:21 2009 Received: (qmail 2631 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 14:25:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 14:25:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C7FE1824E for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:25:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE640E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C89734AC028 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:25:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23F934AC025 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:25:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so9009186bwz.30 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:25:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.155.73 with SMTP id r9mr1505394bkw.14.1257344713568; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:25:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AEF50B3.80708@sfr.fr> References: <4AEEA5AE.9010304@sfr.fr> <4AEF50B3.80708@sfr.fr> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:25:13 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0911040625n8653053r440517c6e5b63b07@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: PAW 44 - Phx - Testing times -Chris X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 15:25:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af18ed1271873900897491 Wow! Very nice Philippe. Charlie On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Philippe Amard wrote: > Thanks for viewing Chris > > Another bite? > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html > > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > > Chris Barker wrote: > > >Philippe > > > >I'm sorry to hear of the burglary, but the pic looks good. I'm rather > >fond of chocolate, especially Swiss, Belgian, German or French ... :-) > > > >Chris > > > >On 2 Nov 2009, at 09:26, Philippe Amard wrote: > > > > > > > >>Last week was spent at a Chalet in Switzerland, trying to recover from > >>the ordeal of a burglary sufffered the week before, when Alice's car > >>and > >>camera gear vanished overnight ... now replaced in part. > >>So here's the mood in the chalet after dusk > >> > >>http://tinyurl.com/yh7zq3s > >>(Beer tasters and chocolate lovers might enjoy seeing it large) > >> > >> > > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 15:31:32 2009 Received: (qmail 20906 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 14:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 14:31:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C514AE181DE for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:31:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D8CE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370D819E798 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:31:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEC819E76B for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:31:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:31:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091104143126.LNQY6358.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:31:26 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 12XS1d00N4Z9Gks022XShv; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:31:27 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=MdAvoWY3RqHUnbqTI2gA:9 a=JS-xBRknbWc8AT1bOQjCsRMCLPkA:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr><5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome><4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:31:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 15:31:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1904419831234514069 This is the part I don't get. Folks on theis list are always shooting barbs at Adobe for the upgrade treadmill, and proposing alternatives, but now when it comes to LR, we can do both! Hell, I have trouble getting straight with one. Bill Pearce " then you can slip seamlessly from Lightroom into PS, " -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 15:53:55 2009 Received: (qmail 29136 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 14:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 14:53:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F2FE18212 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:53:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F0FE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:53:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDE519E8D7 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:53:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF36919E8D1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:53:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29058 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2009 14:53:46 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2009 14:53:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF19579.8060705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:53:45 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr><5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome><4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> In-Reply-To: <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091103-1, 11/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 15:53:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af19583273675034211378 And Adobe shall make sure that Lightroom doesn't step too far in PS territory. Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > This is the part I don't get. Folks on theis list are always shooting barbs > at Adobe for the upgrade treadmill, and proposing alternatives, but now when > it comes to LR, we can do both! > > Hell, I have trouble getting straight with one. > > Bill Pearce > > > " then you can slip seamlessly from Lightroom into PS, " > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 16:08:36 2009 Received: (qmail 23953 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 15:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 15:08:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A76EE181A3 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AC0E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBDD34AC024 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:08:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041C934AC025 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:08:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.145]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so1271995qwa.26 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:08:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.197.135 with SMTP id z7mr140351hbi.211.1257347303526; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:08:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:08:23 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1a0a60f718815893 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 16:08:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af198f479911946193717 > > I've recently had a new home built and had top of the line GE appliances > installed. I didn't realize until they were being installed that every one > of them was made in China. Well, unfortunately, no Maytag appliance is made in Newton, Iowa anymore. But you can't blame Asia for that--just corporate ineptitude. Most are now made in Ohio and Mexico. Two years ago, when we moved we bought a new washer and dryer. Strangely enough, we didn't buy American on purpose. We made our purchase decision based on build-quality, efficiency and quietness. Now our laundry room is dominated by these two huge Bosch units. It is no exaggeration that the sound of the water running through the faucets usually makes more noise than the washer itself. Four thoughts about this come to mind: 1. Ownership. Where is the company owned and as a result, where are the profit dollars going? Samsung, for example, is not an American company, but the profit dollars go to the owners (the stock-holders) who are located in every country. Just a quick analysis tells me that I personally made nearly 1/3 my annual income so far this year just from my investments in foreign companies. If they succeed, I succeed. (same principle applies to the big evil oil companies--last I checked, according to my mutual fund reports, I own enough energy stocks to keep my mouth shut and not grit my teeth so much when I fill the tank. 2. NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard). Just because you like to eat BBQ doesn't mean that you want to live next door to a hog confinement. A lot of the assembly-line jobs that have moved from America to other countries have tended to be robotic jobs (if a machine can replace human--we install machine, otherwise we find cheaper humans) or dangerous jobs (making tires leads to cancer and early death). I won't even talk about work-ethic. 3. Redistribution of Wealth. The richer nations send money to impoverished nations to feed the huddled masses. Electronics Manufacturer builds assembly plant in impoverated nation, hires locals. Locals are able to buy food themselves. Richer nations no longer need to send money to feed huddled masses. Eventually, impoverished nation becomes self-sustaining nation and unless corruption gets in the way, a wealthy nation. 4. This is a global list. Just as I commented the other day about different cultures and languages and parts of the world--yet we take and enjoy the same exact type of photographs. How can I, in good conscience, grouse about jobs going from America to Malaysia when one of my best friends is in Malaysia? I grew up in Michigan--the son of a union guy. Those things we say today about "off-shore manufacturing" were said back in the 1980's when manufacturing jobs moved from the rust-belt to the southern states. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 16:14:31 2009 Received: (qmail 16485 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 15:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 15:14:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F81BE181CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5283EE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:14:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3727019E9DC for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:14:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF3C19EA11 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:14:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA4FENRZ008642 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:14:24 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <7D352144FEC549DE9DC8C0D7DCF60600@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:14:00 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Holiday snaps and postcards - Engelberg (CH) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 16:14:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af19a57160981357919056 Just have time to go through the images, they are really great! Engelberg looks like a very photogenic place. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippe Amard" > Just uploaded a few more pixes; start here, > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130711.jpg.html > and click on the arrow to the right. > > Some can be seen large I guess. > > C&C welcome as usual > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 16:16:50 2009 Received: (qmail 31122 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 15:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 15:16:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DDAE1822C for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867F9E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AB619EA11 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:16:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A5E19D949 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:16:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so2748869ewy.14 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:16:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.213 with SMTP id w63mr539971wee.71.1257347803218; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:16:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:16:43 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 456bb2326412706f Message-ID: <9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 16:16:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af19ae2179221357919056 Different strokes for different folks? On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > This is the part I don't get. Folks on theis list are always shooting barbs > at Adobe for the upgrade treadmill -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 16:43:00 2009 Received: (qmail 10590 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 15:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 15:42:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A58E1822D for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:42:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F7CE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39B019EB54 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:42:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152B919EB4B for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:42:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp01.jazztel.es (smtp01.jazztel.es [62.14.3.170]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:42:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [87.222.165.26] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by smtp01.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5i0Z-0004Ry-Qr for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:42:52 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: David Irisarri Vila In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:42:46 +0100 Message-Id: References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> <9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 16:43:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1a104177342517112723 Hey guys!!!! I am terribly anxious :) The concept behind PEN system is the same one inspired the Olympus OM = System. Precision engineering for compactness and superior performance = to handle any situation. Will E-P2 be the first one to bring back the legendary OM4 multispot = metering? Will E-P2 take again a KODAK imaging sensor for ultra high dynamic = range and stunning color rendition? Will we able to see through the new VF-2 those lovely diamonds to see = the relative EV values through a 1.15X 100% viewfinder? Ansel Adams = zone system is back! Will we able to see the new replacement of Zuiko 50/1.4 MC lens? I = hope so :) Let=B4s cross fingers :) The perfect camera is round the corner !!! Dave VIVA Yoshihisa Maitani !!! Your legacy will be continued. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 16:47:43 2009 Received: (qmail 2542 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 15:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 15:47:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0452CE1819F for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:47:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60593E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C2B19EB67 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:47:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C1819EB50 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:47:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so7436810ywh.22 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:47:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.195.29 with SMTP id x29mr1398493anp.18.1257349632352; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:47:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> <9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:47:12 +0100 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 16:47:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1a21f183376789618724 Hello David, I think you'll be in for a big disappointment. Maybe in the next model, but I doubt superior performance unless new lenses are announced, multispot, probably long forgotten, kodak, who's kodak?, and for the digital viewfinder: these diamonts are way to complicated for point and shooters, so we have no point... I hope there is some information in the finder at all! Iwert ps: YM is in a way better place now probaly, so all this earthly hassle doesn't interest him anymore :) 2009/11/4 David Irisarri Vila : > Hey guys!!!! > > I am terribly anxious :) > > The concept behind PEN system is the same one inspired the Olympus OM > System. Precision engineering for compactness and superior performance > to handle any situation. > > Will E-P2 be the first one to bring back the legendary OM4 multispot > metering? > > Will E-P2 take again a KODAK imaging sensor for ultra high dynamic > range and stunning color rendition? > > Will we able to see through the new VF-2 those lovely diamonds to see > the relative EV values through a 1.15X 100% viewfinder? Ansel Adams > zone system is back! > > Will we able to see the new replacement of Zuiko 50/1.4 MC lens? I > hope so :) > > Let=B4s cross fingers :) The perfect camera is round the corner !!! > > Dave > > VIVA Yoshihisa Maitani !!! Your legacy will be continued. > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 17:43:08 2009 Received: (qmail 14880 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 16:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 16:43:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78690E18245 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:43:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A48E240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DF719EDA7 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:43:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8FB19ED9C for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:43:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BB0314087 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334CF314081 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:08:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4AF1AEFA.4080500@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:42:34 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091104-0, 11/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] One last (last ... ? - I hope so) question regarding, the 80/4. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 17:43:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1af1c242841234514069 > > 80/2, 90/2 or 100/2 or 2.8 would be better choices, I believe, as well as more convenient. > And of course the macros. 135 and either 50 would be my first choice since I don't have a 90/2 or 100/2. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 17:45:53 2009 Received: (qmail 30119 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 16:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 16:45:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E54E182A2 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:45:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901E6E240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:45:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFBA19ECE6 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:45:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A112F19EDAE for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:45:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp01.jazztel.es (smtp01.jazztel.es [62.14.3.170]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:45:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [87.222.165.26] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by smtp01.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5izP-0004Dp-Up for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:45:44 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: David Irisarri Vila In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:45:37 +0100 Message-Id: <6A717CE5-FD2F-4A5B-A57C-5997B89947E8@mirko2.jazztel.es> References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> <9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 17:45:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1afc176441234514069 I still can remember when Kodak had to fire thousands of workers = because they simply thought digital market was not going to be so = successful. While Canon was manufacturing their CMOS sensors, KODAK = was still thinking about film halide. Obviously something very similar is happening again. DSLR market is = changing again very harshly. It seems mirrorless cameras will be very = successful and compact cameras will disappear. One point for Olympus, = they are aware of market movements. Kodak is losing market very fast with their Easyshare compact cameras. = On the other hand Nikon, Canon, Samsung, etc... are preparing their = attack against micro fourthirds. Kodak must jump to micro fourthirds = to survive. I am pretty sure they have a new fourthirds sensor = prepared. Maybe E-P2 won=B4t take a Kodak sensor but Kodak is round the = corner for sure. We=B4ll see again micro/fourthirds cameras with Kodak = sensors for sure. Dave El 04/11/2009, a las 16:47, iwert bernakiewicz escribi=F3: > Hello David, > > I think you'll be in for a big disappointment. Maybe in the next = > model, > but I doubt superior performance unless new lenses are announced, > multispot, probably long forgotten, kodak, who's kodak?, and for the > digital viewfinder: these diamonts are way to complicated for > point and shooters, so we have no point... I hope there is some = > information > in the finder at all! > > Iwert > > ps: YM is in a way better place now probaly, so all this earthly = > hassle > doesn't interest him anymore :) > > 2009/11/4 David Irisarri Vila : >> Hey guys!!!! >> >> I am terribly anxious :) >> >> The concept behind PEN system is the same one inspired the Olympus OM >> System. Precision engineering for compactness and superior = >> performance >> to handle any situation. >> >> Will E-P2 be the first one to bring back the legendary OM4 multispot >> metering? >> >> Will E-P2 take again a KODAK imaging sensor for ultra high dynamic >> range and stunning color rendition? >> >> Will we able to see through the new VF-2 those lovely diamonds to see >> the relative EV values through a 1.15X 100% viewfinder? Ansel Adams >> zone system is back! >> >> Will we able to see the new replacement of Zuiko 50/1.4 MC lens? I >> hope so :) >> >> Let=B4s cross fingers :) The perfect camera is round the corner !!! >> >> Dave >> >> VIVA Yoshihisa Maitani !!! Your legacy will be continued. >> > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 17:48:48 2009 Received: (qmail 20776 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 16:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 16:48:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18CBE182A3 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9125DE240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2A019EDD1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:48:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF9619EDBD for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:48:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DA9314088 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5296B314081 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:14:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4AF1B04F.60902@interisland.net> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:48:15 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091104-0, 11/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] Macro OTF TTL X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 17:48:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1b070212195683411216 > > You can use generic shoes but these do not add a TTL connection. And the generic shoe must be insulated from the contact points on the foot of the flash. A piece of tape works on a metal bracket. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 18:04:07 2009 Received: (qmail 21278 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 17:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 17:04:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B03E1819F for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:04:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27FDE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68CA19EE85 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:03:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDF419EEA3 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:03:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:03:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nA4H3Z8k006020 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:03:35 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA4H3YDx022715 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:03:35 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <8B60D42E00914777870A040B7CA4F53E@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr><5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome><28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome><4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com><0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au><8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome><9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:03:12 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 18:04:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1b407160152439112457 1.15x is too small, Pana G-1 has 1.4x, we need 1.7x to simulate the size OM4 viewfinder or even 1.84x to simulate the OM2 finder. Besides the finder size we need pixel quantity, 1024x768 is a good start. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Irisarri Vila" Will we able to see through the new VF-2 those lovely diamonds to see the relative EV values through a 1.15X 100% viewfinder? Ansel Adams zone system is back! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 18:10:38 2009 Received: (qmail 13500 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 17:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 17:10:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C547E182AB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFB3E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:10:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCE919EF71 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:10:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E713119EF04 for ; 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Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:31:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so7592309yxe.22 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:31:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.181.165 with SMTP id m37mr207218hbg.11.1257355886080; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:31:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8CC2B88D03B8D33-2B0C-A5E1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC2B88D03B8D33-2B0C-A5E1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:31:26 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6270457279a446b1 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 18:31:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1ba77185342517112723 We'll see.... Some of those specs and pictures may be a touch suspect. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 18:36:49 2009 Received: (qmail 5074 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 17:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 17:36:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C41E18246 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61215E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:36:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4848219F211 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:36:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87A819F27F for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:36:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com (mail-gx0-f221.google.com [209.85.217.221]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so287124gxk.10 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:36:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.204 with SMTP id l12mr213787hbe.36.1257356200196; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:36:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:36:40 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c227934d69283b30 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] film scanning [was I have antz in my pantz with this A/Vhell...] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 18:36:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1bbb1174416789618724 > > However, I _think_ that using a camera for "scanning" the slides allows to > get much more shadow detail by using a much longer exposure -- at the > expense of highlights, of course. This way is possible to make some sort of > HDR pic from the same slide. > I expose slides 1/3 stop higher than I used to for scanning purposes. Neg films I still shoot near the rated speed. I've personally found it critical to expose neg films as close to normal as possible because the response curves usually have very short straight-line sections. If you over or under-expose the films, you end up shoving too much dynamic range into a narrow, compressed part of the curve. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 18:49:57 2009 Received: (qmail 14615 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 17:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 17:49:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01785E18245 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:49:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8851E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:49:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C7E19F488 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:49:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E5F19F46A for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:49:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6935 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2009 17:49:47 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2009 17:49:47 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF1BEBA.7050609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:49:46 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF1B04F.60902@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <4AF1B04F.60902@interisland.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091104-0, 11/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Macro OTF TTL X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 18:49:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1bec524804877110844 By generic shoe I meant one with a PC connection. No insulation should be required. Chuck Norcutt Mike Lazzari wrote: >> You can use generic shoes but these do not add a TTL connection. > And the generic shoe must be insulated from the contact points on the > foot of the flash. A piece of tape works on a metal bracket. > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 19:13:31 2009 Received: (qmail 24376 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 18:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 18:13:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA5EE181AE for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:13:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE6CE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:13:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296F034AC029 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:13:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE6334AC02A for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:13:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:13:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6787857.16881257359211653.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 573 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:26:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:25:58 +0200 References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> <9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 19:13:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1c44b257545368819438 I sure hope you are right... But as a pessi.. umm... realist, and = looking at what Olympus has done over the past year or two, I very much doubt = it. They certainly have the potential for "wow"ing the world with a new system similar in scope - and maintaining the values - of the OM system, but from the same company that produced the M.Zuiko 17mm f/2.8 as = their first Micro Four Thirds prime lens, and as a lens+body which is constructed = 100% of plastic internally with metal plates tacked on for visual / haptic goodness, I very much doubt it. Let's wait and see. But I would be surprised if they manage at all to = produce something which you as photographer can "become one with" in the same = way we can with an OM-1/2/3/4 body. I get the feeling Olympus is no longer interested in producing compact = cameras for serious photographers, in the way they used to. I am afraid that only = Leica fills that niche currently, although some of the Panasonic offerings do = warrant attention. Panasonic seem to be much more serious about putting a decent range of = lenses in place for the M4/3 format. But maybe... just maybe, we might by pleasantly surprised by Oly. On 04 Nov 2009, at 5:42 PM, David Irisarri Vila wrote: > Let=B4s cross fingers :) The perfect camera is round the corner !!! > > Dave > > VIVA Yoshihisa Maitani !!! Your legacy will be continued. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 19:37:26 2009 Received: (qmail 19075 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 18:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 18:37:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C67EE18148 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624F6E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:37:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E22819F7D2 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:37:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B9B19F7D0 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:37:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com (mail-gx0-f221.google.com [209.85.217.221]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so347579gxk.10 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:37:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.22.2 with SMTP id 2mr3242387ybv.293.1257359838790; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:37:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:37:18 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 19:37:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1c9e672141220213263 As I am moving back into printing B&W in the darkroom (and having a grand old time), I came across references to this book, especially when it comes to split grade printing (yes, I know it's a controversial subject by itself). I remember used to seeing the book in the local bookstores, but now since it is out of print, the few copies on the internet have prices like $200!!! Nutz!!! If you have a copy lying around gathering dust and you will never print in the darkroom again, please consider selling it to me at a fair price. I promise I will not resell it for a profit. Thank you. -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 19:54:26 2009 Received: (qmail 20563 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 18:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 18:54:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1B5E1824D for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D90FE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B9F3610002 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:54:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E3E3610001 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:54:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:54:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so1011703gvf.21 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:54:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.138.12 with SMTP id n12mr201866hbn.69.1257360858681; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:54:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:54:18 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 27424e815b7c81d3 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 19:54:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1cde2104361136683642 I think you can buy the PDF online. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 19:57:43 2009 Received: (qmail 11944 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 18:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 18:57:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E70E18228 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845E0E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:57:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F83619F855 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:57:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFFA19F87E for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:57:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp01.jazztel.es (smtp01.jazztel.es [62.14.3.170]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [87.222.165.26] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by smtp01.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5l2x-0004az-W6 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:57:32 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: David Irisarri Vila In-Reply-To: <6787857.16881257359211653.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:57:26 +0100 Message-Id: <3DFF7301-919C-4AF8-A0AA-371D19E5C314@mirko2.jazztel.es> References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> <9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> <6787857.16881257359211653.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 19:57:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1cea7190631946193717 Well, IMHO Olympus has been watching what happens with micro fourthirds. It = =B4s much easier to wait rather than starting to manufacturing a wide = range of lenses like Panasonic. This costs tooo much. Zuiko opticks = are much better than Panasonic ones even with the "LEICA engraved = name". Obviously 17/2.8 and 14-42/3.5-5.6 are cheapo lenses for = selling them as a cheap kit. All reviewed Panasonic fourthirds lenses = aren=B4t as good as Olympus ones. It seems micro fourthirds has an = unexpected success so I am pretty sure tomorrow Olympus will reveal = several prime lenses for micro fourthirds tomorrow. Plus if Kodak and = Fuji start manufacturing micro fourthirds cameras, Olympus will = benefit from this as they won=B4t manufacture lenses for sure and = Olympus lenses will be more compact and cheaper. Dave El 04/11/2009, a las 17:25, Dawid Loubser escribi=F3: > I sure hope you are right... But as a pessi.. umm... realist, and > looking > at what Olympus has done over the past year or two, I very much doubt > it. > > They certainly have the potential for "wow"ing the world with a new > system similar in scope - and maintaining the values - of the OM = > system, > but from the same company that produced the M.Zuiko 17mm f/2.8 as > their first > Micro Four Thirds prime lens, and as a lens+body which is constructed > 100% of > plastic internally with metal plates tacked on for visual / haptic > goodness, I very much doubt it. > > Let's wait and see. But I would be surprised if they manage at all to > produce > something which you as photographer can "become one with" in the same > way we > can with an OM-1/2/3/4 body. > > I get the feeling Olympus is no longer interested in producing compact > cameras for > serious photographers, in the way they used to. I am afraid that only > Leica fills > that niche currently, although some of the Panasonic offerings do > warrant attention. > > Panasonic seem to be much more serious about putting a decent range of > lenses in > place for the M4/3 format. > > But maybe... just maybe, we might by pleasantly surprised by Oly. > > > On 04 Nov 2009, at 5:42 PM, David Irisarri Vila wrote: > > >> Let=B4s cross fingers :) The perfect camera is round the corner !!! >> >> Dave >> >> VIVA Yoshihisa Maitani !!! Your legacy will be continued. > > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 20:14:10 2009 Received: (qmail 28310 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 19:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 19:14:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F67DE181A8 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53158E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D933610004 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:14:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC523610001 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:14:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so7713450yxe.22 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:14:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.153.203 with SMTP id a11mr209874hbc.119.1257362041956; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:14:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> <9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:14:01 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3e98ac1a4692a38b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 20:14:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1d28262795034211378 > > This is the part I don't get. Folks on theis list are always shooting barbs > at Adobe for the upgrade treadmill Absolutely! We're so concerned about "backwards compatibility", and that drove the whole DNG fiasco which was Adobe's scam to... oh, never mind--I'll save that beef for another day. But anyway, "backwards compatibility" with Adobe isn't the problem. "Forward compatibility" is the problem. In a nutshell, if you buy a new camera you must buy the upgrade to Adobe software. ACR is locked down to the current camera list at the time of release and they refuse to make ACR forward compatible, which is the driving reason why most of us MUST upgrade the software. There are some exceptions to this, but for the most part, if you buy a new camera you are hosed. As to PS, well, the program is an absolute disaster in the memory/processing department. It takes a huge amount of memory and processing power to have an editing experience that is anything but hair-tugging weeping, wailing and nashing of teeth. And it only gets worse and worse. So, you buy a new digital camera. You have to buy an upgrade to your Adobe software. To run the new Adobe software you have to buy a new computer. That new $1200 DSLR just cost you $3500. Meanwhile, there are alternatives which sometimes are actually better. Olympus Studio2, for example, gives outstanding colors in the conversions without strange artifacts. ACR? Not so much. Picture Window Pro 5.0 runs circles around Photoshop in functions like resizing, cropping and other full-image adjustments on a fraction of the memory and processing horsepower. The entire program costs LESS than just an upgrade. Anybody who grouses at Microsoft for being evil is totally misguided. Adobe makes Microsoft seem angelic in comparison. When was the last time that Adobe GAVE AWAY a service pack update to their software? Sure, there are some good things that Adobe has done, but I suspect those were caused by somebody's mistake than by a corporate decision. AG (Bought Adobe products once--never again) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 20:19:37 2009 Received: (qmail 24304 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 19:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 19:19:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE9EE1822D for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9E9E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:19:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43ED3610002 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:19:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613563610003 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:19:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:19:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so7719991yxe.22 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:19:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.99 with SMTP id c35mr183114hbg.197.1257362370966; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:19:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <696F7C8F-CB1D-44B7-B5FD-4A97B44957D0@people.net.au> References: <380-22009113423112723@earthlink.net> <696F7C8F-CB1D-44B7-B5FD-4A97B44957D0@people.net.au> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:19:30 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c690d6b9d60487a5 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] The Curse of the Lost Lens Cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 20:19:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1d3c9130421950411718 I'm with Ken Rockwell on this. His opinion is that only amateur systems have multiple filter-ring sizes. For many years nearly every lens I had was strictly 49mm in filter-ring size. Nowadays I have filters in three sizes AND I carry no less than four step rings. AG (is KR my alter ego?) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 20:26:11 2009 Received: (qmail 5680 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 19:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 19:26:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42720E18277 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647D8E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4805A19F93C for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:26:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7917A19F956 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:26:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:26:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2119.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BA3997000096 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:26:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2119.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7FF287000093 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:26:03 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091104192603524.7FF287000093@msfrf2119.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF1D581.4050701@sfr.fr> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:26:57 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> <9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 20:26:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1d553213371342116753 Ken Norton wrote: > When was the last time that >Adobe GAVE AWAY a service pack update to their software? > > Three days ago; when I discovered that the RAW files of the Oly 620 and Pana G1 I had bought prior to Engelberg could not be read by LR 2.3 I had on the I-Mac. I simply clicked on the update feature to get 2.4 (not even 2.5) and got the cameras working ... Maybe I was lucky? Hope this helps Phx -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 20:31:08 2009 Received: (qmail 8621 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 19:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 19:31:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB14E181CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:31:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D629E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA033610009 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:31:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401983610008 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:31:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:31:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091104193101.UWIZ6358.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:31:01 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 17X11d00A4Z9Gks027X1gU; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:31:01 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pD33E3YnltMA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=EduWtrkVAAAA:8 a=HqhU5Q3nAAAA:8 a=DlFCntQ8AAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=2LkwOEt1LnZ1nLzVkwQA:9 a=uWXGFq7SSLI2vxdPZDwA:7 a=QlPERexOWysmBTD1oGsYPE8nshQA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=j86v0demoucA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:30:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 20:31:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1d67c12521136683642 Refer to the recent issue of Photo Tecchniques magazine where the two former Kodak employees (Dick and Sylvia, I think) study this process exhaustively and conclude there are no advantages to this process other than using up time. BIll Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Man" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? > As I am moving back into printing B&W in the darkroom (and having a > grand old time), I came across references to this book, especially > when it comes to split grade printing (yes, I know it's a > controversial subject by itself). > > I remember used to seeing the book in the local bookstores, but now > since it is out of print, the few copies on the internet have prices > like $200!!! Nutz!!! > > If you have a copy lying around gathering dust and you will never > print in the darkroom again, please consider selling it to me at a > fair price. I promise I will not resell it for a profit. > > Thank you. > > -- > // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com > // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: > http://rfman.wordpress.com > // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.49/2480 - Release Date: 11/04/09 07:37:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 20:34:20 2009 Received: (qmail 1253 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 19:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 19:34:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D2FE1822C for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7545E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:34:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D775619F9A0 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:34:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562BF19F997 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:34:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:34:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091104193413.BNIM1428.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:34:13 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 17aD1d00L4Z9Gks027aDQs; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:34:13 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pF6zM5YOWAcA:10 a=fKA941iWoMwV3F2GD3MA:9 a=KY1cWdQvDLvqc06hdKlARaLExscA:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <380-22009113423112723@earthlink.net><696F7C8F-CB1D-44B7-B5FD-4A97B44957D0@people.net.au> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:34:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] The Curse of the Lost Lens Cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 20:34:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1d73c64976789618724 > I'm with Ken Rockwell on this. His opinion is that only amateur systems > have > multiple filter-ring sizes. > > For many years nearly every lens I had was strictly 49mm in filter-ring > size. > > Nowadays I have filters in three sizes AND I carry no less than four step > rings. > > AG (is KR my alter ego?) Schnozz > -- You fool. It doesn't matter any more as no one uses those silly filters anymore, except for protection. The other is all done in post. Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 20:36:15 2009 Received: (qmail 20853 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 19:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 19:36:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6B9E1822E for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:36:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87733E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7BA19F9A2 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:35:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0016C19F9A3 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:35:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so7716836ywh.22 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:35:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.138.12 with SMTP id n12mr206742hbn.69.1257363339624; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:35:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <380-22009113423112723@earthlink.net> <696F7C8F-CB1D-44B7-B5FD-4A97B44957D0@people.net.au> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:35:39 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3bdc8b7625882f63 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] The Curse of the Lost Lens Cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 20:36:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1d7af138221234514069 > > You fool. It doesn't matter any more as no one uses those silly filters > anymore, except for protection. The other is all done in post. > Oh, sorry. I'm one of those idiots that still shoots film. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 20:47:19 2009 Received: (qmail 11661 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 19:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 19:47:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77108E18056 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:47:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DE8E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586103610007 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:47:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001E43610006 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:47:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so7730258ywh.22 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:47:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.204 with SMTP id l12mr231917hbe.36.1257364031498; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:47:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:47:11 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c7a536fdfb278cff Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 20:47:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1da47266392439112457 > > Refer to the recent issue of Photo Tecchniques magazine where the two > former Kodak employees (Dick and Sylvia, I think) study this process > exhaustively and conclude there are no advantages to this process other than > using up time. Total bunk. Split-grade processing is EXTREMELY usable as it allows you to adjust not just the contrast, but the effective mid-tone exposure without screwing up the contrast. Normally, you have only two adjustments: Exposure and paper-grade. If you duplicate the exposures precisely, you will mimick a single, graded exposure. But when you start adjusting them separately is when you get to start adjusting the gamma of the image. For example, one huge challenge with some images is to maintain highlight details AND getting a nice solid foot (black). With split-grade printing, the "00" exposure is for the highlights, and the "5" exposure is for the shadows. Sometimes, you can also incorporate a grade "2.5" exposure to add nuance to the midtones. In reality, this is exactly like buying a speaker system. Do you want a single-cone speaker, a two-way or a three-way? The single-cone speaker may have the exact same frequency-range as the three-way speaker, but the resulting sound can be substantially different. Grade "00" is the tweeter, Grade "5" is the woofer. AG (and Kodak T400CN is garbage without split-grade) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 20:51:20 2009 Received: (qmail 23259 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 19:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 19:51:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261D9E182A2 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9BAE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:51:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D74D3610002 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:51:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228B63610001 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:51:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:51:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so7756658yxe.22 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:51:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.101 with SMTP id c37mr201558hbg.4.1257364271371; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:51:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20091104092846.22095xy8xrlyah8o@mail.webofnilsson.com> References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AF09F45.4090507@chucknorcutt.com> <20091104092846.22095xy8xrlyah8o@mail.webofnilsson.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:51:11 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2188f8c616db3bbb Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 20:51:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1db38158611560218263 I just posted a new "Featured Picture of the Week" on www.zone-10.com that illustrates why it pays to have a handheld indecent exposure meter. AG (incident) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 20:54:12 2009 Received: (qmail 3465 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 19:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 19:54:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A22E181B9 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:54:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9190E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDA319FA1F for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:54:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E40219FA08 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:54:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so7738067ywh.22 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:54:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.88.30 with SMTP id q30mr3379887ybl.315.1257364442900; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:54:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:54:02 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0911041154k3695ea9aw594a9ada0d668f0@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 20:54:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1dbe452801413256596 Ctein, whose opinions I trust a lot, does not hold split grade printing on high esteem. OTOH, Les McLean, with whom I have been talking to online a wee bit, holds the opposite opinion. However, I do find that by using the F-stop timer and the meter on the Analyser PRO, I can get a base timing. Then make 2 split grade test strips with 1/6th stop across, and viola, the results are oh-so-nice. But do need more testing... It's pretty painless to do split grade though, = so... On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > > Total bunk. > > Split-grade processing is EXTREMELY usable as it allows you to adjust not > just the contrast, but the effective mid-tone exposure without screwing up > the contrast. > > Normally, you have only two adjustments: =A0Exposure and paper-grade. If = you > duplicate the exposures precisely, you will mimick a single, graded > exposure. But when you start adjusting them separately is when you get to > start adjusting the gamma of the image. > > For example, one huge challenge with some images is to maintain highlight > details AND getting a nice solid foot (black). With split-grade printing, > the "00" exposure is for the highlights, and the "5" exposure is for the > shadows. Sometimes, you can also incorporate a grade "2.5" exposure to add > nuance to the midtones. > > In reality, this is exactly like buying a speaker system. Do you want a > single-cone speaker, a two-way or a three-way? =A0The single-cone speaker= may > have the exact same frequency-range as the three-way speaker, but the > resulting sound can be substantially different. =A0Grade "00" is the twee= ter, > Grade "5" is the woofer. > > AG (and Kodak T400CN is garbage without split-grade) Schnozz > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 20:55:36 2009 Received: (qmail 24282 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 19:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 19:55:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E396DE18236 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3316BE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272E53610002 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:54:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90873610001 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:54:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so7760796yxe.22 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:54:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.181.165 with SMTP id m37mr225676hbg.11.1257364479464; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:54:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6f8422750911032133p636d3674xb3e90fc9a3b6fa31@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f8422750911032133p636d3674xb3e90fc9a3b6fa31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:54:39 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ae02b32c5a871042 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] An old comparison of scanned film vs microphotograph of film X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 20:55:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1dc38319971234514069 > > Carlos, ... I'll end buying a pack of Astia 100F, though what I really need > is a _good_ iso 400 slide film ;-) > Provia 400F doesn't suffer the same halation problem that 100F does. Personally, though, I prefer Fuji 400 NPH. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 20:58:27 2009 Received: (qmail 17095 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 19:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 19:58:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E97E181CD for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:58:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1328E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A951C19FA33 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:58:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B85C19F9FF for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:58:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so7742768ywh.22 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:58:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.161.69 with SMTP id g5mr194489hbd.161.1257364687707; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:58:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0911041154k3695ea9aw594a9ada0d668f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041154k3695ea9aw594a9ada0d668f0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:58:07 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7686e2acd3323039 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 20:58:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1dce3221256107113666 > > However, I do find that by using the F-stop timer and the meter on the > Analyser PRO, I can get a base timing. Then make 2 split grade test strips > with 1/6th stop across, and viola, the results are oh-so-nice. > > But do need more testing... It's pretty painless to do split grade though, > so... > I think you hit on the main issue. It's the timer and meter. Those who think it's just a bunch of hooey aren't using RHDesigns gear. I'd never attempt it without my StopClock Professional and the ZoneMaster II. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 21:09:57 2009 Received: (qmail 27457 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 20:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:09:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7BCE182A4 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:09:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FC8E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EAB19FBFB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:09:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2620019FB6C for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:09:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com (mail-gx0-f221.google.com [209.85.217.221]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so441939gxk.10 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:09:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.214.11 with SMTP id m11mr3494765ybg.130.1257365387473; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:09:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041154k3695ea9aw594a9ada0d668f0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:09:47 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0911041209l5a8685a8lfc266e7a6317782f@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 21:09:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1df95180632439112457 Ooo... I hope people don't mind that we talk about film stuff here :-) So Ken, I am assuming that the Zone Master II + Stop Clock is similar to my RH Designs Analyser Pro - so in your initial test strips, do you just divide by 1/2 or bias one way or another depending on the proposed paper grade? For example, with the Analyser Pro, I'd take a highlight and shadow reading. If the neg is average contrast, it will give a timing based on grade 2 and peg the two readings on Zone II and VIII. If the neg is not of average contrast, I will have to, for example, move to grade 1+ for the two readings to sit at the right places. So in this case, should I pre-bias and assume that I will need may be 1/4 stop more on the low grade exposure and do the test strips that way? It makes logical sense and my test last night seems to support that. Of course with split grade, I suppose the idea is that we can play around with different ratio and have different interpretation. I am thinking that this must be similar to doing curve adjusting on digital.... On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > > I think you hit on the main issue. =A0It's the timer and meter. Those who > think it's just a bunch of hooey aren't using RHDesigns gear. I'd never > attempt it without my StopClock Professional and the ZoneMaster II. > > AG > -- -- = // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 21:14:11 2009 Received: (qmail 5290 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 20:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:14:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C586E1819F for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:14:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14184E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3083610004 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:14:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050383610001 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:14:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32598 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2009 20:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:08:08 -0000 Message-Id: <06565A57-8B30-4EAA-9057-2C1CEC3EAB1C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF16277.9000108@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:14:02 +1100 References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr><5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <4AF16277.9000108@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 21:14:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1e093130505368819438 Not if you're buying academic versions! :-) But think on it - once upon a time you'd spend that kind of money without a whimper on a new lens to improve your pix plus a serious premium for pro-grade film and processing. And you had expensive lenses you hardly used. Now we just have to shift our thinking to fewer lenses and greater expense on the post-production end. Yes, it's still a rip off but it's also a just shift in emphasis. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/11/2009, at 10:16 PM, Moose wrote: > Let's see now, how much is an upgrade from CS3 and a new copy of > LR2? By > golly, that's about the price of a G11! > > So I suppose one point is more money to Adobe, both up front and on > the > upgrade path. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 21:28:46 2009 Received: (qmail 8238 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 20:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:28:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCBCE18212 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106B5E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19BF19FD6A for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:28:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302D719FD7E for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:28:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1616 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2009 20:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:22:44 -0000 Message-Id: <30157849-CF5F-479E-832E-5E0C538ECB0F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:28:39 +1100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 21:28:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1e3fe278951946193717 Yes - I bought a new washing machine last year - Kleenmaid - made in US - because we were sick of Asian built machines with plastic gearboxes dying after 3-5 years. The cost was around 2.5 times as much and the design is very basic (no electronic 'programs') but the 'mean time between failures' is over 20 years. Most people don't seem to care though - the local agent went bust. Andrew Fildes in domestic use afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2009, at 12:52 AM, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > I've recently had a new home built and had top of the line GE > appliances > installed. I didn't realize until they were being installed that > every one > of them was made in China. Had I know earlier, I would have looked at > alternatives. Same situation for Hunter ceiling fans. In that > case, I bought > old refurbished made in USA Hunter fans. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 21:31:37 2009 Received: (qmail 2593 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 20:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:31:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B12CE1824D for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E13E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:31:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189313610006 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:31:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D66F3610004 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:31:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so7801443yxe.22 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:31:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.202.31 with SMTP id e31mr550995anq.111.1257366688515; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:31:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3DFF7301-919C-4AF8-A0AA-371D19E5C314@mirko2.jazztel.es> References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> <9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> <6787857.16881257359211653.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <3DFF7301-919C-4AF8-A0AA-371D19E5C314@mirko2.jazztel.es> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:31:28 +0100 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 21:31:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1e4a9109481136683642 Here is the E-P2: http://43rumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ep2.png the optional viewfinder defeats the therm "compact" imho. will have to see it in reality. Black is beautifull however! Iwert 2009/11/4 David Irisarri Vila : > Well, > > IMHO Olympus has been watching what happens with micro fourthirds. It > =B4s much easier to wait rather than starting to manufacturing a wide > range of lenses like Panasonic. This costs tooo much. Zuiko opticks > are much better than Panasonic ones even with the "LEICA engraved > name". Obviously 17/2.8 and 14-42/3.5-5.6 are cheapo lenses for > selling them as a cheap kit. All reviewed Panasonic fourthirds lenses > aren=B4t as good as Olympus ones. It seems micro fourthirds has an > unexpected success so I am pretty sure tomorrow Olympus will reveal > several prime lenses for micro fourthirds tomorrow. Plus if Kodak and > Fuji start manufacturing micro fourthirds cameras, Olympus will > benefit from this as they won=B4t manufacture lenses for sure and > Olympus lenses will be more compact and cheaper. > > Dave > > > El 04/11/2009, a las 17:25, Dawid Loubser escribi=F3: > >> I sure hope you are right... But as a pessi.. umm... realist, and >> looking >> at what Olympus has done over the past year or two, I very much doubt >> it. >> >> They certainly have the potential for "wow"ing the world with a new >> system similar in scope - and maintaining the values - of the OM >> system, >> but from the same company that produced the M.Zuiko 17mm f/2.8 as >> their first >> Micro Four Thirds prime lens, and as a lens+body which is constructed >> 100% of >> plastic internally with metal plates tacked on for visual / haptic >> goodness, I very much doubt it. >> >> Let's wait and see. But I would be surprised if they manage at all to >> produce >> something which you as photographer can "become one with" in the same >> way we >> can with an OM-1/2/3/4 body. >> >> I get the feeling Olympus is no longer interested in producing compact >> cameras for >> serious photographers, in the way they used to. I am afraid that only >> Leica fills >> that niche currently, although some of the Panasonic offerings do >> warrant attention. >> >> Panasonic seem to be much more serious about putting a decent range of >> lenses in >> place for the M4/3 format. >> >> But maybe... just maybe, we might by pleasantly surprised by Oly. >> >> >> On 04 Nov 2009, at 5:42 PM, David Irisarri Vila wrote: >> >> >>> Let=B4s cross fingers :) The perfect camera is round the corner !!! >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> VIVA Yoshihisa Maitani !!! Your legacy will be continued. >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 21:36:32 2009 Received: (qmail 2616 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 20:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:36:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B30E18214 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:36:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FBFE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:36:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147D91CD48A for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:36:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F321CD489 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:36:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so3072839ewy.14 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.0.142 with SMTP id 14mr2501755ebb.26.1257366984057; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from vienms0019 ([213.185.186.252]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm4409272eyh.34.2009.11.04.12.36.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:36:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4af1e5c7.0508d00a.68ab.68b5@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:34:37 +0000 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 21:36:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1e5d095625368819438 Our Whirlpool dishwasher stopped filling recently. We called out a repair guy who remembers installing it for the previous houseowner in about 1992. He said he tried to convince them to buy a Miele because the Whirlpool wouldn't last. About 90 mins and 65euros later he'd fixed it - no sale for a replacement yet... Cheers, Jez Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Fildes Sent: 04/11/2009 21:28:39 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers Yes - I bought a new washing machine last year - Kleenmaid - made in US - because we were sick of Asian built machines with plastic gearboxes dying after 3-5 years. The cost was around 2.5 times as much and the design is very basic (no electronic 'programs') but the 'mean time between failures' is over 20 years. Most people don't seem to care though - the local agent went bust. Andrew Fildes in domestic use afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2009, at 12:52 AM, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > I've recently had a new home built and had top of the line GE > appliances > installed. I didn't realize until they were being installed that > every one > of them was made in China. Had I know earlier, I would have looked at > alternatives. Same situation for Hunter ceiling fans. In that > case, I bought > old refurbished made in USA Hunter fans. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 21:39:20 2009 Received: (qmail 1231 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 20:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:39:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09229E181DE for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:39:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BEBE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:39:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390BC3610006 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:39:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763EB3610004 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:39:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3072 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2009 20:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:33:17 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF1D581.4050701@sfr.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:39:12 +1100 References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> <9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> <4AF1D581.4050701@sfr.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 21:39:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1e678159251560218263 Yup - hadn't thought of that. The upgrades within each version are free. Just like ACR upgrades so long as you have the correct version. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2009, at 6:26 AM, Philippe Amard wrote: > Three days ago; when I discovered that the RAW files of the Oly 620 > and > Pana G1 I had bought prior to Engelberg could not be read by LR 2.3 I > had on the I-Mac. > I simply clicked on the update feature to get 2.4 (not even 2.5) and > got > the cameras working ... > Maybe I was lucky? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 21:44:45 2009 Received: (qmail 14103 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 20:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:44:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA76FE182A4 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:44:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15E0E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:44:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D626A3610005 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:44:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9AC3610001 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:44:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:44:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so3080993ewy.14 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:44:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.23.88 with SMTP id q24mr582069ebb.13.1257367474643; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:44:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from vienms0019 ([213.185.186.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm4253483eyz.11.2009.11.04.12.44.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:44:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4af1e7b2.0a1ad00a.2ffe.3b97@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:42:48 +0000 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 21:44:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1e7bd229284877110844 I'm gonna have a good look at pwp - but it's the organizing of those 15000+ images more than pixel-level editing I'm looking for. Is it any good at that? Jez Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Ken Norton Sent: 04/11/2009 20:14:01 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? > > This is the part I don't get. Folks on theis list are always shooting barbs > at Adobe for the upgrade treadmill Absolutely! We're so concerned about "backwards compatibility", and that drove the whole DNG fiasco which was Adobe's scam to... oh, never mind--I'll save that beef for another day. But anyway, "backwards compatibility" with Adobe isn't the problem. "Forward compatibility" is the problem. In a nutshell, if you buy a new camera you must buy the upgrade to Adobe software. ACR is locked down to the current camera list at the time of release and they refuse to make ACR forward compatible, which is the driving reason why most of us MUST upgrade the software. There are some exceptions to this, but for the most part, if you buy a new camera you are hosed. As to PS, well, the program is an absolute disaster in the memory/processing department. It takes a huge amount of memory and processing power to have an editing experience that is anything but hair-tugging weeping, wailing and nashing of teeth. And it only gets worse and worse. So, you buy a new digital camera. You have to buy an upgrade to your Adobe software. To run the new Adobe software you have to buy a new computer. That new $1200 DSLR just cost you $3500. Meanwhile, there are alternatives which sometimes are actually better. Olympus Studio2, for example, gives outstanding colors in the conversions without strange artifacts. ACR? Not so much. Picture Window Pro 5.0 runs circles around Photoshop in functions like resizing, cropping and other full-image adjustments on a fraction of the memory and processing horsepower. The entire program costs LESS than just an upgrade. Anybody who grouses at Microsoft for being evil is totally misguided. Adobe makes Microsoft seem angelic in comparison. When was the last time that Adobe GAVE AWAY a service pack update to their software? Sure, there are some good things that Adobe has done, but I suspect those were caused by somebody's mistake than by a corporate decision. AG (Bought Adobe products once--never again) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 21:49:59 2009 Received: (qmail 13746 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 20:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:49:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD038E18228 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79FEE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4CE919FDD6 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:49:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FEE219FDD0 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:49:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14748 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2009 20:49:49 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091104-0, 11/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 21:49:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1e8f747132013633067 Interesting. I wonder who's left in the US to build it for them. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Yes - I bought a new washing machine last year - Kleenmaid - made in > US - because we were sick of Asian built machines with plastic > gearboxes dying after 3-5 years. The cost was around 2.5 times as much > and the design is very basic (no electronic 'programs') but the 'mean > time between failures' is over 20 years. > Most people don't seem to care though - the local agent went bust. > Andrew Fildes in domestic use > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 05/11/2009, at 12:52 AM, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > >> I've recently had a new home built and had top of the line GE >> appliances >> installed. I didn't realize until they were being installed that >> every one >> of them was made in China. Had I know earlier, I would have looked at >> alternatives. Same situation for Hunter ceiling fans. In that >> case, I bought >> old refurbished made in USA Hunter fans. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 21:55:12 2009 Received: (qmail 17250 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 20:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:55:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF2FE181B2 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BCCE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:55:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E7B3610006 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:55:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A54B3610002 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:55:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so1053701gvf.21 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:55:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.161.69 with SMTP id g5mr200838hbd.161.1257368101578; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:55:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0911041209l5a8685a8lfc266e7a6317782f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041154k3695ea9aw594a9ada0d668f0@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041209l5a8685a8lfc266e7a6317782f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:55:01 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cad5c1624abb697c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 21:55:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1ea30313871073733319 > > Ooo... I hope people don't mind that we talk about film stuff here :-) > We're going to get drummed out of here by the digital crowd. > So Ken, I am assuming that the Zone Master II + Stop Clock is similar to my > RH Designs Analyser Pro - so in your initial test strips, do you just divide > by 1/2 or bias one way or another depending on the proposed paper grade? > They are similar enough. I'm not sure I understand your question, but I have my steps set at 1/4 stop. When running a test strip, I start out by offsetting my starting exposure down 4 steps from metered recommendation. Then I run 8 steps in the test strip. > For example, with the Analyser Pro, I'd take a highlight and shadow > reading. If the neg is average contrast, it will give a timing based on > grade 2 and peg the two readings on Zone II and VIII. If the neg is not of > average contrast, I will have to, for example, move to grade 1+ for the two > readings to sit at the right places. So in this case, should I pre-bias and > assume that I will need may be 1/4 stop more on the low grade exposure and > do the test strips that way? It makes logical sense and my test last night > seems to support that. Of course with split grade, I suppose the idea is > that we can play around with > different ratio and have different interpretation. I am thinking that > this must be similar to doing curve adjusting on digital.... Your mental approach to this is similar to mine. I haven't "arrived" yet in this. As a general rule, you start off soft and tweak the highs and lows as necessary. With the meter, I will multi-spot the high, low and mid-tone values. Then I'll adjust the exposure and contrast controls until the dots land where I want them to. Unfortunately, that usually means the midtone dot gets moved to the wrong spot. So you pick two out of three. I usually pick the highlight and midtone dots. I get them where I want and choose that as my starting exposure. Then if I need to move the dark dot further to the dark, I add a touch more grade 5 exposure. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 21:56:49 2009 Received: (qmail 21117 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 20:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:56:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD78E18056 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFACE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838063610006 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:56:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3DC3610002 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:56:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp01.jazztel.es (smtp01.jazztel.es [62.14.3.170]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:56:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [87.222.165.26] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by smtp01.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5muE-0003Kn-96 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:56:38 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: David Irisarri Vila In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:56:32 +0100 Message-Id: References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> <9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> <6787857.16881257359211653.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <3DFF7301-919C-4AF8-A0AA-371D19E5C314@mirko2.jazztel.es> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 21:56:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1ea91168141220213263 Lovely!!! and black. It=B4s fantastic. Screen still has 230K pixel but I suppose is due batt consumption and = brightness. Packing more pixels means less brightness. El 04/11/2009, a las 21:31, iwert bernakiewicz escribi=F3: > Here is the E-P2: > > http://43rumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ep2.png > > the optional viewfinder defeats the therm "compact" imho. > will have to see it in reality. Black is beautifull however! > > Iwert > > 2009/11/4 David Irisarri Vila : >> Well, >> >> IMHO Olympus has been watching what happens with micro fourthirds. It >> =B4s much easier to wait rather than starting to manufacturing a wide >> range of lenses like Panasonic. This costs tooo much. Zuiko opticks >> are much better than Panasonic ones even with the "LEICA engraved >> name". Obviously 17/2.8 and 14-42/3.5-5.6 are cheapo lenses for >> selling them as a cheap kit. All reviewed Panasonic fourthirds lenses >> aren=B4t as good as Olympus ones. It seems micro fourthirds has an >> unexpected success so I am pretty sure tomorrow Olympus will reveal >> several prime lenses for micro fourthirds tomorrow. Plus if Kodak and >> Fuji start manufacturing micro fourthirds cameras, Olympus will >> benefit from this as they won=B4t manufacture lenses for sure and >> Olympus lenses will be more compact and cheaper. >> >> Dave >> >> >> El 04/11/2009, a las 17:25, Dawid Loubser escribi=F3: >> >>> I sure hope you are right... But as a pessi.. umm... realist, and >>> looking >>> at what Olympus has done over the past year or two, I very much = >>> doubt >>> it. >>> >>> They certainly have the potential for "wow"ing the world with a new >>> system similar in scope - and maintaining the values - of the OM >>> system, >>> but from the same company that produced the M.Zuiko 17mm f/2.8 as >>> their first >>> Micro Four Thirds prime lens, and as a lens+body which is = >>> constructed >>> 100% of >>> plastic internally with metal plates tacked on for visual / haptic >>> goodness, I very much doubt it. >>> >>> Let's wait and see. But I would be surprised if they manage at all = >>> to >>> produce >>> something which you as photographer can "become one with" in the = >>> same >>> way we >>> can with an OM-1/2/3/4 body. >>> >>> I get the feeling Olympus is no longer interested in producing = >>> compact >>> cameras for >>> serious photographers, in the way they used to. I am afraid that = >>> only >>> Leica fills >>> that niche currently, although some of the Panasonic offerings do >>> warrant attention. >>> >>> Panasonic seem to be much more serious about putting a decent = >>> range of >>> lenses in >>> place for the M4/3 format. >>> >>> But maybe... just maybe, we might by pleasantly surprised by Oly. >>> >>> >>> On 04 Nov 2009, at 5:42 PM, David Irisarri Vila wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Let=B4s cross fingers :) The perfect camera is round the corner !!! >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> VIVA Yoshihisa Maitani !!! Your legacy will be continued. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 21:57:12 2009 Received: (qmail 19344 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 20:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:57:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3009E18256 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:57:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E636E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544373610006 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:57:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D680D3610002 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:57:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20768 invoked by uid 504); 4 Nov 2009 20:57:03 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2009 20:57:03 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF1EA9E.8040807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:57:02 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4af1e7b2.0a1ad00a.2ffe.3b97@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4af1e7b2.0a1ad00a.2ffe.3b97@mx.google.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091104-0, 11/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 21:57:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1eaa8118736789618724 PWP is an editor... period. I started with PWP and it took me a long time to cotton to Photoshop (started with 7). PWP has some tools that I consider superior to PhotoShop (the clone tool especially) but it does not have layers. One can do the same thing as layers (in a more round-about way) but now that I have become accustomed to PS and layers I can't readily go back. So I pay the Adobe freight charge but also keep a copy of PWP around. Chuck Norcutt Jez Cunningham wrote: > I'm gonna have a good look at pwp - but it's the organizing of those 15000+ images more than pixel-level editing I'm looking for. Is it any good at that? > Jez > > Sent from my Nokia phone > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Norton > Sent: 04/11/2009 20:14:01 > Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? > >> This is the part I don't get. Folks on theis list are always shooting barbs >> at Adobe for the upgrade treadmill > > > > Absolutely! > > We're so concerned about "backwards compatibility", and that drove the whole > DNG fiasco which was Adobe's scam to... oh, never mind--I'll save that beef > for another day. > > But anyway, "backwards compatibility" with Adobe isn't the problem. "Forward > compatibility" is the problem. In a nutshell, if you buy a new camera you > must buy the upgrade to Adobe software. ACR is locked down to the current > camera list at the time of release and they refuse to make ACR forward > compatible, which is the driving reason why most of us MUST upgrade the > software. There are some exceptions to this, but for the most part, if you > buy a new camera you are hosed. > > As to PS, well, the program is an absolute disaster in the memory/processing > department. It takes a huge amount of memory and processing power to have > an editing experience that is anything but hair-tugging weeping, wailing and > nashing of teeth. And it only gets worse and worse. > > So, you buy a new digital camera. You have to buy an upgrade to your Adobe > software. To run the new Adobe software you have to buy a new computer. That > new $1200 DSLR just cost you $3500. > > Meanwhile, there are alternatives which sometimes are actually better. > Olympus Studio2, for example, gives outstanding colors in the conversions > without strange artifacts. ACR? Not so much. Picture Window Pro 5.0 runs > circles around Photoshop in functions like resizing, cropping and other > full-image adjustments on a fraction of the memory and processing > horsepower. The entire program costs LESS than just an upgrade. > > Anybody who grouses at Microsoft for being evil is totally misguided. Adobe > makes Microsoft seem angelic in comparison. When was the last time that > Adobe GAVE AWAY a service pack update to their software? > > Sure, there are some good things that Adobe has done, but I suspect those > were caused by somebody's mistake than by a corporate decision. > > AG (Bought Adobe products once--never again) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 21:57:13 2009 Received: (qmail 15461 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 20:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 20:57:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91A6E182A6 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:57:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1049DE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55FB3610003 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:57:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643513610002 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:57:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091104205705.JZCC19495.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:57:05 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 18x31d00L4Z9Gks028x3N4; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:57:03 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kDH3Sr5yFJ8A:10 a=ybss8LRuAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=ur40MZUyAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=sUAmwCUvWTWsPApkOgUA:9 a=4i9FRRHozvlkSQeBGCoA:7 a=xpcBTCX0VSOE6LxvpC15ETlLK_cA:4 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <30157849-CF5F-479E-832E-5E0C538ECB0F@people.net.au> <4AF1E8EC.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:56:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 21:57:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1eaa9305124877110844 A repairman told me that there were only a few left. About three manufacturers of appliances. Several familiar names are now woned by Electrolux, now selling here under their own name. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers > Interesting. I wonder who's left in the US to build it for them. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Yes - I bought a new washing machine last year - Kleenmaid - made in >> US - because we were sick of Asian built machines with plastic >> gearboxes dying after 3-5 years. The cost was around 2.5 times as much >> and the design is very basic (no electronic 'programs') but the 'mean >> time between failures' is over 20 years. >> Most people don't seem to care though - the local agent went bust. >> Andrew Fildes in domestic use >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 05/11/2009, at 12:52 AM, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: >> >>> I've recently had a new home built and had top of the line GE >>> appliances >>> installed. I didn't realize until they were being installed that >>> every one >>> of them was made in China. Had I know earlier, I would have looked at >>> alternatives. Same situation for Hunter ceiling fans. In that >>> case, I bought >>> old refurbished made in USA Hunter fans. >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.49/2480 - Release Date: 11/04/09 07:37:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 22:02:08 2009 Received: (qmail 19603 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 21:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 21:02:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F84E1824C for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:02:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50E5E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A452C19FE17 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:02:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223DF19FE12 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:02:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so7810569ywh.22 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:02:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.37 with SMTP id s37mr218771hbg.90.1257368521688; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:02:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <8CBA25E92F5C489DADA2B6DAE267008A@SueHome> <9f07ac840911040716lac8bd9oa95b0cda88e5fb63@mail.gmail.com> <6787857.16881257359211653.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <3DFF7301-919C-4AF8-A0AA-371D19E5C314@mirko2.jazztel.es> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:02:01 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d2166f1be851e8c1 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 22:02:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1ebd018131560218263 Stick a big honkin lens on it and the viewfinder is tiny. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 22:04:23 2009 Received: (qmail 30571 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 21:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 21:04:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C1AE181B1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAB8E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8DA3610002 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:03:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0953610001 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:03:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so3100217ewy.14 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.24.15 with SMTP id t15mr2580168ebb.89.1257368622329; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from vienms0019 ([213.185.186.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm4468264eyz.27.2009.11.04.13.03.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:03:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4af1ec2d.0a1ad00a.3274.7825@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:01:52 +0000 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 22:04:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1ec57276425368819438 Ah, that's why Dawid wants the 250/2 ! Jez Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Ken Norton Sent: 04/11/2009 22:02:01 Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow Stick a big honkin lens on it and the viewfinder is tiny. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 22:06:47 2009 Received: (qmail 13108 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 21:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 21:06:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C29E1822E for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996BFE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5273610006 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:06:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0843610004 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:06:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:06:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91C94615F5 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:34:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:06:38 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4AF022B8.4060308@sfr.fr> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AEEA5AE.9010304@sfr.fr> <4AEF50B3.80708@sfr.fr> <4AF022B8.4060308@sfr.fr> Message-Id: <5FC981E5-CFE3-4A82-BC46-5AEC56639D24@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: PAW 44 - Phx - Testing times -Chris X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 22:06:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1ece7147684877110844 Lovely! Chris On 3 Nov 2009, at 12:31, Philippe Amard wrote: > Chris Barker wrote: > >> Majestic, Philippe! Where is it? >> >> >> > Engelberg, Central Switzerland (Obwald) > In the middle of the Alps, right there : > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Switzerland/Engelberg--1130906.jpg.html > Both taken with the ZD 50-200 on a L1. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 22:11:21 2009 Received: (qmail 10484 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 21:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 21:11:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD87E181A3 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A03E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87063610007 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:11:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E423610004 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:11:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.188]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so1059376gvf.21 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:11:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.130.31 with SMTP id 31mr204957hbh.134.1257369073931; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:11:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4AEEA5AE.9010304@sfr.fr> <4AEF50B3.80708@sfr.fr> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:11:13 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 18e88240b256878c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: PAW 44 - Phx - Testing times -Chris X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 22:11:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1edf9269822517112723 Wow! 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 22:25:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1f14646216107113666 Jez Cunningham wrote: > I'm gonna have a good look at pwp - but it's the organizing of those 15000+ images more than pixel-level editing I'm looking for. Is it any good at that? > Jez > > I don't know if you got my reply to your last inquiry - it never showed up here. I don't mind software being upgraded; technology moves on, after all. And Lightroom is reasonably priced, with free 'dot-version' upgrades. But for the bits of PS that I actually use the cost is outrageous. The cost may be outrageous anyway, but people pay it and it is a very complex program, so maybe I'm just cheap... Lightroom does infringe on PS territory to a certain extent, but it is a program aimed squarely at photographers managing large numbers of digital images (however captured), and with a couple of basic additions would be all that I require. I would say keystoning is the obvious missing link, but as I have said I have no idea of the programming overhead; it may take the program beyond the realms of manageability vis-a-vis non-destructive editing. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 22:26:42 2009 Received: (qmail 3513 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 21:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 21:26:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE1DE182B3 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AF4E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235E11CD48A for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:26:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6E61CD48E for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:26:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:26:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so9460273bwz.30 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:26:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.85 with SMTP id n21mr1963634bkw.171.1257369982596; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:26:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4AEEA5AE.9010304@sfr.fr> <4AEF50B3.80708@sfr.fr> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:26:22 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0911041326vd222b3dy8d29873d72eddcc7@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: PAW 44 - Phx - Testing times -Chris X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 22:26:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1f1929342517112723 What?! No trees? ;^) Beautiful work. Charlie On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Wow! > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 22:26:43 2009 Received: (qmail 9330 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 21:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 21:26:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3594AE182EC for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3231CE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217171CD494 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:26:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8428A1CD48E for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:26:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:26:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1N5nN7-00084D-Si for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:26:29 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1N5nN7-0006XM-Cr for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:26:29 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF1F187.4010807@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:26:31 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF07985.4020706@blueyonder.co.uk> <9f07ac840911040431uf379cd5g92c2167b27c5a308@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911040431uf379cd5g92c2167b27c5a308@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? - resend X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 22:26:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1f19386011342116753 Jez Cunningham wrote: > Donald - I've been following the video tutorials on What's New and it gives > the impression that they've disabled some LR2.5 features so that you > concentrate on the new LR3beta features - in particular it was mentioned > that Luminance Noise reduction has been disabled. Can you confirm that? > cheers > jez > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Donald wrote: > >> I'm running 2.5 and trying the Beta of 3 now. The rendering is better in >> 3, no question, the colour noise reduction tool is also vastly improved. >> If they can do similar things with the luminance noise, it'd be great. >> >> Yes, though the steer I got was that it, too, is being redone, and isn't ready. It is an early Beta. I have some files from the E-1 and E-400 that benefited from the colour noise filter, but left luminance noise that would be nice to get rid of. Patience, they say, is a virtue... ;-) D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 22:50:51 2009 Received: (qmail 6101 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 21:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 21:50:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAB6E181B9 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99EFDE240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D331CD489 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:50:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21311CD488 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:50:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so7860413ywh.22 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:50:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.112.5 with SMTP id k5mr3562534ybc.348.1257371441140; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:50:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041154k3695ea9aw594a9ada0d668f0@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041209l5a8685a8lfc266e7a6317782f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:50:41 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0911041350s18272a5o3eb9199a30a7a520@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 22:50:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1f73b21669730998309 On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> Ooo... I hope people don't mind that we talk about film stuff here :-) >> > > We're going to get drummed out of here by the digital crowd. > > >> So Ken, I am assuming that the Zone Master II + Stop Clock is similar to= my >> RH Designs Analyser Pro - so in your initial test strips, do you just di= vide >> by 1/2 or bias one way or another depending on the proposed paper grade? >> > > They are similar enough. =A0I'm not sure I understand your question, but I > have my steps set at 1/4 stop. When running a test strip, I start out by > offsetting my starting exposure down 4 steps from metered recommendation. > Then I run 8 steps in the test strip. > Starting exposure of 4 steps is 1 stop down, or 1/2 of the exposure :-) exactly what I was asking! F-stop printing is so much easier to talk about! > >> For example, with the Analyser Pro, I'd take a highlight and shadow >> reading. If the neg is average contrast, it will give a timing based on >> grade 2 and peg the two readings on Zone II and VIII. If the neg is not = of >> average contrast, I will have to, for example, move to grade 1+ for the = two >> readings to sit at the right places. So in this case, should I pre-bias = and >> assume that I will need may be 1/4 stop more on the low grade exposure a= nd >> do the test strips that way? It makes logical sense and my test last nig= ht >> seems to support that. Of course with split grade, I suppose the idea is >> that we can play around with >> different ratio and have different interpretation. I am thinking that >> this must be similar to doing curve adjusting on digital.... > > > Your mental approach to this is similar to mine. I haven't "arrived" yet = in > this. =A0As a general rule, you start off soft and tweak the highs and lo= ws as > necessary. With the meter, I will multi-spot the high, low and mid-tone > values. Then I'll adjust the exposure and contrast controls until the dots > land where I want them to. Unfortunately, that usually means the midtone = dot > gets moved to the wrong spot. > > So you pick two out of three. =A0I usually pick the highlight and midtone > dots. I get them where I want and choose that as my starting exposure. Th= en > if I need to move the dark dot further to the dark, I add a touch more gr= ade > 5 exposure. > Got it. Thanks. It's something I can play with... -- = // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 22:52:35 2009 Received: (qmail 2417 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 21:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 21:52:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3334E18200 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E276E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:52:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A523610006 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:52:30 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER Improper folded header field made up entirely of whitespace (char 20 hex): Subject: ...aps and postcards - Engelberg (CH) - Thanks\n \n Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44593610005 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:52:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr (smtp23.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.22]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2317.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0FC59700008F for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:52:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2317.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E494A700008B for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:52:27 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091104215227936.E494A700008B@msfrf2317.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF1F7AF.9040903@sfr.fr> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:52:47 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Holiday snaps and postcards - Engelberg (CH) - Thanks X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 22:52:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1f7a3300401744846740 Thanks you all for viewing. Ralph, the place is nice indeed, and meant for angels (angel pixes to come BTW) Phx Ralf Loi wrote: >Excellent work! I can't find a favorite... >BTW, are you aware of the meaning? Engelberg -> Angel Mountain > >Ralf > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 23:02:37 2009 Received: (qmail 6814 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 22:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 22:02:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D1BE1829E for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85334E240C1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:02:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410F81CD489 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:02:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D041CD488 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:02:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:02:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so3160340ewy.14 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:02:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.37 with SMTP id s37mr225712hbg.90.1257372148318; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:02:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0911041350s18272a5o3eb9199a30a7a520@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041154k3695ea9aw594a9ada0d668f0@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041209l5a8685a8lfc266e7a6317782f@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041350s18272a5o3eb9199a30a7a520@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:02:28 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a2a6d4dcf5d13be5 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 23:02:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1f9fd237299752976205 > > Starting exposure of 4 steps is 1 stop down, or 1/2 of the exposure > :-) exactly what I was asking! F-stop printing is so much easier to > talk about! > EXACTLY!!! Yeah, and then the brilliance in this is that once you do your test strip, you count the steps to the proper exposure and just press the "UP" button that many times. If you have something that needs additional exposure, just add a program step and press the "UP" button that many times. Pure genius. Everybody I've shown this to has become an instant convert. Bill Barber still hasn't seen it and doesn't understand that he NEEDS it in his darkroom. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 23:05:26 2009 Received: (qmail 16885 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 22:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 22:05:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0627BE18148 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:05:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FAAE240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AD33610005 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:05:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3633610003 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:05:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0110.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:05:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0205.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0110.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7595463AA4D for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:05:20 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0205 Received: by dm0205.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 450ac626) id dm0205.4aedf9ab.8423fe for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:05:20 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMTtrlK8fqgtTvVDQIAAAAB,9b47d2fa527e92d4e7b64d189c8a8124 Message-ID: <4AF1FAAD.4090001@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:05:33 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AF09F45.4090507@chucknorcutt.com> <20091104092846.22095xy8xrlyah8o@mail.webofnilsson.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 23:05:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1faa621065368819438 Or a midtoned jacket! Most of my climbing jackets over the years have been very close to middle toned - usually within 1/2 stop, just meter of your sleeve and you are good to go! Jim Couch Ken Norton wrote: > I just posted a new "Featured Picture of the Week" on www.zone-10.com that > illustrates why it pays to have a handheld indecent exposure meter. > > AG (incident) Schnozz > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 23:07:56 2009 Received: (qmail 12168 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 22:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 22:07:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCC7E181DE for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12D6E240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A073610005 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:07:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB5C3610003 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:07:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr (smtp23.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.22]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2317.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D2679700009E for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:07:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2317.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A2925700009C for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:07:49 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091104220749665.A2925700009C@msfrf2317.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF1FB4D.9060405@sfr.fr> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:08:13 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4af1e7b2.0a1ad00a.2ffe.3b97@mx.google.com> <4AF1F13A.9030103@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4AF1F13A.9030103@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 23:07:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1fb3c228081744846740 The only tool I really find missing in LR is a perspective adjustment device when I should buildings with a(n U)WA. Else I can do without PS. Phx Donald wrote: > >Lightroom does infringe on PS territory to a certain extent, but it is a >program aimed squarely at photographers managing large numbers of >digital images (however captured), and with a couple of basic additions >would be all that I require. > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 23:21:11 2009 Received: (qmail 20889 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 22:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 22:21:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65EDE181B9 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:21:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6159CE240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0483610004 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:21:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C790B3610003 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:21:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:21:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11934 invoked by uid 502); 4 Nov 2009 22:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.173.56) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Nov 2009 22:21:05 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF1FE4A.40403@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:20:58 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr><5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <4AF16277.9000108@gmail.com> <06565A57-8B30-4EAA-9057-2C1CEC3EAB1C@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <06565A57-8B30-4EAA-9057-2C1CEC3EAB1C@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 23:21:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1fe57200951234514069 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Not if you're buying academic versions! :-) > But I am no version of an academic. > But think on it - once upon a time you'd spend that kind of money without a whimper Did so! (Whimper, that is.) > on a new lens to improve your pix plus a serious premium for pro-grade film and processing. And you had expensive > lenses you hardly used. Now we just have to shift our thinking to fewer lenses and greater expense on the post-production end. Yes, it's still a rip off but it's also a just shift in emphasis. > I don't really disagree. But LR still isn't worth the money - to me. Just like the many film era pieces of equipment that I would have liked to have, but didn't. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 23:22:13 2009 Received: (qmail 21828 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 22:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 22:22:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1666AE181B9 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:22:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9800BE240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8599B1CD48E for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:21:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E1F1CD48C for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:21:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0104.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0201.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0104.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF8E499D93 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:21:10 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0201 Received: by dm0201.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 450ac626) id dm0201.4aedf989.841508 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:21:10 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMTtrlK8f5WJMMqKAIAAAAB,7ee8381a3ce7a6c0a5eb46025509aa5d Message-ID: <4AF1FE63.10507@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:21:23 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] DxO Pro now supports Olympus DSLRs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 23:22:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1fe95197065368819438 DxO has a new version of theri RAW software that now supports many of the Olympus 4/3 cameras and lenses including the D-3 D-30 & E-620. I have not used the software myself, so can't really comment, but it is an interesting alternative that now supports Olympus cameras. Jim Couch -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 23:23:56 2009 Received: (qmail 5210 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 22:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 22:23:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32414E18212 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C96E240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE683610004 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:23:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8783610002 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:23:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:23:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1N5oGC-0002Yy-2o for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:23:24 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1N5oGB-0007U5-OP for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:23:23 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF1FEDE.7040306@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:23:26 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF07EDF.60308@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Holiday snaps and postcards - Engelberg (CH) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 23:23:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af1fefc210341879814018 If I had to pick one (and I would resist strenuously) it would be the tree with the chalet in the crook of a bough in the OOF background. But quite a few grabbed me, lovely stuff. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 23:30:20 2009 Received: (qmail 31886 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 22:30:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 22:30:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BEEE181D8 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:30:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD7FE240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B533610005 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:30:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DC93610003 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:30:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2127.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1A6E97000086 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:30:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2127.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DF75D7000085 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:30:13 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091104223013915.DF75D7000085@msfrf2127.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF20092.7000502@sfr.fr> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:30:42 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr><5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <4AF16277.9000108@gmail.com> <06565A57-8B30-4EAA-9057-2C1CEC3EAB1C@people.net.au> <4AF1FE4A.40403@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF1FE4A.40403@gmail.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 4 23:30:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2007c268441234514069 Moose wrote: >Just like the many film era pieces of equipment that I would have liked >to have, but didn't. > > I still have scores of labelled boxes and trays of slides, on top of files with negs ... I consider LR as the best filing cabinet I've ever had. Phx -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Nov 4 23:56:20 2009 Received: (qmail 5365 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 22:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 22:56:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F31E18148 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:56:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1B4E240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:56:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6713610005 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:56:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D16C3610001 for ; 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Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:08:24 -0500 Received: from webmail-m009 (webmail-m009.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.92]) by smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME036-b30e4af20961188; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:08:17 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:08:17 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.254 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 28878-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.92) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:08:17 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC2BBAD3F5709B-2B0C-11ECB@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] DXO FINALLY supports Oly with Ver 6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 00:08:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af20978318201076813867 Just announced yesterday and non-crippled 30 day free trail period available for Windoze only until 2010. They have many more stations profiling lenses/systems so perhaps they decided to support Oly. For lenses otherwise excellent with complex aberrations/noise may be worth a trial. Should fix pesky CA that can be focal distance as well as FL dependent and may steal back a tad of resolution with deconvolution. Raw converter the Achllles heel two versions ago should be good. Hope one has clock cycles to burn, however. Slow downloads of modules reported--might want to wait a couple days with all the activity on their site. Rumored to play well with LR. Sort of an elegant Neatimage/PT lens combo with converter and layered NI processing may not be necessary. Noise reduction with G9 from samples I have seen with Raw level Noise reduction were very good indeed. Hope it is proves useful for someone. http://www.dxo.com/intl/photo/dxo_optics_pro/new_in_V6#boitiers Hmm, Adobe TAX, Microsoft TAX, DXO TAX-- Mike (residing in TAXachusetts) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 00:43:21 2009 Received: (qmail 12697 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 23:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 23:43:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A92E1819F for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1D5E240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84DDA3610004 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EA63610001 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from invader.comkal.net (invader.comkal.net [192.168.1.41]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.80) for ; 05 Nov 2009 10:43:11 +1100 Message-ID: <100.880702008d11f24a.007@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:43:09 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <4AF1E8EC.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> References: <30157849-CF5F-479E-832E-5E0C538ECB0F@people.net.au> <4AF1E8EC.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.48.1429) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 00:43:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af21199286856107113666 > >> of them was made in China. Had I know earlier, I would have looked at I'm an Australian, with BHP shares.... So all I can say is buy Chinese, it keeps a lot of Australians employed, and my bank account happy :-) On the quality of goods, yes there is a lot of real cheap sh!t but there is still some top quality stuff coming out of China, with a price to match but its harder to find and to order as the profit margins arent there for the seller to keep those goods in stock, and they really cant be bothered with the fuss of special orders, and the buyer wants it cheaper anyway. Upshot, it's still consumer driven. Those people like myself that like better quality goods and are willing to pay for that extra mile in quality are becoming extinct, I suspect that by the time most on this list are gone, then ...... I bought a whirlpool (made in USA) with rotary dials and no onboard computer a couple of years ago. That was one heck of a struggle to find. Sure, I'm a technocrat but why does a washing machine need a computer ? Cheers Ian Manners The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and a leaky tire. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 00:55:45 2009 Received: (qmail 31536 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2009 23:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Nov 2009 23:55:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED30E18277 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D64E240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:55:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96CA1CD48A for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:55:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C2E1CD481 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:55:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA4NtZRD019954 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:55:35 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.ce5.5daffa32 (37181) for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-dd01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dd01.mx.aol.com [205.188.84.129]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA054-d3ea4af2146a135; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:55:30 -0500 Received: from webmail-m009 (webmail-m009.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.92]) by smtprly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDD016-d3ea4af2146a135; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:55:23 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:55:22 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.199 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 28878-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.199 by webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.92) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:55:22 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC2BC16830DE6B-2B0C-12A2D@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] DXO FINALLY supports Oly with Ver 6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 00:55:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af21481147541357919056 I now see I was second to post this. Here is a summary of some info from imaging-resource and the press release--pricing info etc. http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1257287865.html Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 03:36:39 2009 Received: (qmail 29749 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 02:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 02:36:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6600CE18256 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:36:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4ACE240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5811CD490 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:36:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39BE1CD48E for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:36:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jgettis81@earthlink.net whitelisted) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:36:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.175.75.103] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N5sD7-0005Y4-Iq for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:36:29 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22009114523630188@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:36:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da940297a3cdecdb87fa3a7d2020b1a85875d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.75.103 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] An observation at the book store X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 03:36:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af23a37181521006886880 I was at a bookstore today checking out the books on photography and found that there were a lot of books on the various models of Canon and Nikon cameras and how to use them but not one single one on Olympus cameras. This could be because we are such a small part of the market that we don't rate a book. But I prefer to think that it is either the Olympus cameras are so easy to use we don't need no"stinkin book" or is it we are so smart. I also wake up everyday and look to see if my hair is growing back and I think that today is the day my teenager will remember to so his chores with out being yelled at.. I digress Just and observation John Gettis jgettis81@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 05:28:56 2009 Received: (qmail 1186 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 04:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 04:28:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADC0E18229 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7685E240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87901CD48A for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:28:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FCF1CD487 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:28:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om-list@jkeller.com whitelisted) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22198 invoked by uid 503); 5 Nov 2009 04:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JeffKeller435) (om-list@24.23.193.195) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2009 04:28:47 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <30157849-CF5F-479E-832E-5E0C538ECB0F@people.net.au> <4AF1E8EC.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF1E8EC.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:28:47 -0800 Message-ID: <007d01ca5dd0$785b71c0$69125540$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcpdkF9bzAtdGNDLTLuEytr/mZVduQAP0DDg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 05:28:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af25488270665368819438 Was my first thought to so a quick internet search suggested some models of Frigidaire & Whirlpool. Most interesting is Staber - front load type action but top loading, perhaps the best of both. http://www.staber.com/ My 30 year old Maytag pair is still running fine, but I've replaced a $15 solenoid in the dryer twice. Jeff Keller -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] Interesting. I wonder who's left in the US to build it for them. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Yes - I bought a new washing machine last year - Kleenmaid - made in > US - because we were sick of Asian built machines with plastic > gearboxes dying after 3-5 years. The cost was around 2.5 times as much > and the design is very basic (no electronic 'programs') but the 'mean > time between failures' is over 20 years. > Most people don't seem to care though - the local agent went bust. > Andrew Fildes in domestic use > afildes@people.net.au > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 07:49:34 2009 Received: (qmail 7998 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 06:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 06:49:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888A8E18214 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8383E240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF25A3610001 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:49:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBE23610002 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:49:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21912 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2009 06:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 06:43:23 -0000 Message-Id: <7740BA31-DE5D-4C9A-A50A-19228371CE2A@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:49:21 +1100 References: <380-22009113423112723@earthlink.net> <696F7C8F-CB1D-44B7-B5FD-4A97B44957D0@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] [SPAM] Re: The Curse of the Lost Lens Cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 07:49:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2757e105511946193717 That's a disturbing admission. But I remember being well annoyed when my new Canon 16-35mm mark 2 had an 82mm filter ring. Almost everything pro had been 77mm up 'til then. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2009, at 6:19 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > I'm with Ken Rockwell on this. His opinion is that only amateur > systems have > multiple filter-ring sizes. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 08:01:35 2009 Received: (qmail 23877 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 07:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 07:01:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DCAE1819D for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BDEE240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:01:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCC81CD487 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:01:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905311CD48E for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:01:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:01:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1369740.16961257405293993.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-168-117-tbnb-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.168.117]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 796 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:14:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <380-22009114523630188@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:01:22 +0200 References: <380-22009114523630188@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] An observation at the book store X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 08:01:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2784f264231946193717 Sadly, I think it's your first option, the market is just too small. Unless of course you are referring to the OM cameras - of course you don't need a manual, these things are a natural extension of your body! With my OM-1 + favourite lens, I can keep it hanging off my shoulder, and when I see a scene I want to photograph, entirely by feel set the exposure, taking into account desired depth of field (usually as shallow as possible in my personal case) and roughly pre- focus. Then grab the shot by bringing to the eye discreetly, fine-tuning focus, take the shot, and camera goes back to hanging off the shoulder. I can't imagine how silly a book would look that explains these simple steps :-) Of course, we who need no stinkin' manual also need no stinkin' light meter! But when we do, the incident light meter hanging around the neck is useful. We *definitely* don't need no stinkin' batteries though, that's for sure. Ah, the joy... On 05 Nov 2009, at 4:36 AM, jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > I was at a bookstore today checking out the books on photography and > found that there were a lot of books on the various models of Canon > and Nikon cameras and how to use them but not one single one on > Olympus cameras. This could be because we are such a small part of > the market that we don't rate a book. But I prefer to think that it > is either the Olympus cameras are so easy to use we don't need > no"stinkin book" or is it we are so smart. I also wake up everyday > and look to see if my hair is growing back and I think that today is > the day my teenager will remember to so his chores with out being > yelled at.. I digress Just and observation John Gettis -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 08:09:52 2009 Received: (qmail 17148 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 07:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 07:09:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8880E1824C for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887F3E240CB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3003610002 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:09:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0C23610001 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:09:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:09:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196-210-168-117-tbnb-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za ([196.210.168.117]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 759 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:23:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:09:43 +0200 References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] EP2: NO! NO! NO! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 08:09:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af27a40103931342116753 Ahhhh sh*t.... I knew it was coming, but I am so very disappointed with Olympus' lack of vision in producing a viable Leica RF alternative. The only cool feature is the pluggable EVF, but to be honest, we were expecting that on the E-P1 already. Now, if we want an EVF, we have this big accessory sticking out the top of the camera. Now, _who_on_earth_ wants *another* friggin' slow zoom lens?? If I want a 9-18mm f/4.0-5.6 lens on an E-P2, I would just stick the existing (already very small and light) 4/3rds lens on there! Who wants another slow plastic 14-150mm super-zoom?? Where are the small, fast prime lenses! f/2.0?? f/1.4?? The f/1.0 that would certainly be possible by the ultra-convenient Micro Four-Thirds lens mount design?? No man, this sucks... At this stage, Panasonic are building much more serious cameras and lenses. And this is not what we expect of Olympus. Good grief. They certainly are not targeting the enthusiast/pro market *AT ALL* with Micro Four Thirds. What a pity... they could have been the modern Leica. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0911/09110501olympusep2.asp On 05 Nov 2009, at 12:56 AM, Donald wrote: > > http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=870668 > > -- > I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 09:03:53 2009 Received: (qmail 13443 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 08:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 08:03:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4E8E181A8 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:03:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714B2E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:03:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389243610003 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:03:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0513610002 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:03:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so3475832ewy.14 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:03:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.16 with SMTP id x16mr892513wee.106.1257408224905; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:03:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF1F187.4010807@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF07985.4020706@blueyonder.co.uk> <9f07ac840911040431uf379cd5g92c2167b27c5a308@mail.gmail.com> <4AF1F187.4010807@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:03:44 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 785a7ce5bcfbd845 Message-ID: <9f07ac840911050003g222be345jf16d4b9088927b04@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? - resend X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 09:03:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af286e962416789618724 Thanks Donald, yup that's how it seems. And MR on LL also mentions this as an exception - maybe it's the only one. br jez On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Donald wrote: > Jez Cunningham wrote: > > Donald - I've been following the video tutorials on What's New and it > gives > > the impression that they've disabled some LR2.5 features so that you > > concentrate on the new LR3beta features - in particular it was mentioned > > that Luminance Noise reduction has been disabled. Can you confirm that? > > cheers > > jez > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Donald > wrote: > > > >> I'm running 2.5 and trying the Beta of 3 now. The rendering is better in > >> 3, no question, the colour noise reduction tool is also vastly improved. > >> If they can do similar things with the luminance noise, it'd be great. > >> > >> > > Yes, though the steer I got was that it, too, is being redone, and isn't > ready. It is an early Beta. > > I have some files from the E-1 and E-400 that benefited from the colour > noise filter, but left luminance noise that would be nice to get rid of. > Patience, they say, is a virtue... > > ;-) > > D. > > -- > I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 09:31:09 2009 Received: (qmail 9529 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 08:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 08:31:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C06E182A1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A062EE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF6E19DC59 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:31:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAF619DC41 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:31:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18453 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2009 08:31:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091104-1, 11/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] An observation at the book store X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 09:31:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af28d4d78331342116753 Unfortunately, my opinion of E camera usability (derived solely from reading Oly manuals) doesn't support your hypothesis. Chuck Norcutt jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > I was at a bookstore today checking out the books on photography and > found that there were a lot of books on the various models of Canon > and Nikon cameras and how to use them but not one single one on > Olympus cameras. This could be because we are such a small part of > the market that we don't rate a book. But I prefer to think that it > is either the Olympus cameras are so easy to use we don't need > no"stinkin book" or is it we are so smart. I also wake up everyday > and look to see if my hair is growing back and I think that today is > the day my teenager will remember to so his chores with out being > yelled at.. I digress Just and observation John Gettis > > > jgettis81@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 09:35:19 2009 Received: (qmail 30473 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 08:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 08:35:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC7CE182A0 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:35:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5787E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:35:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FF03610003 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:35:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03A03610001 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:35:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31859 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2009 08:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 08:29:10 -0000 Message-Id: <50CD32E7-F1C5-469E-96C8-827AE32CE395@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF1F13A.9030103@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:35:10 +1100 References: <4af1e7b2.0a1ad00a.2ffe.3b97@mx.google.com> <4AF1F13A.9030103@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 09:35:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af28e47324572013633067 Elements? Very well priced and well optioned. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2009, at 8:25 AM, Donald wrote: > But for the bits of PS that I actually use the cost is outrageous. The > cost may be outrageous anyway, but people pay it and it is a very > complex program, so maybe I'm just cheap... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 09:59:43 2009 Received: (qmail 21579 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 08:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 08:59:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0DEE181D8 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1E8E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7555F19DE23 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:59:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD76F19DDF1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:59:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1537 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2009 08:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 08:53:33 -0000 Message-Id: <9E4F334D-4DC4-4D5C-BF1A-5C37952AD603@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF1FE4A.40403@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:59:34 +1100 References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr><5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <4AF16277.9000108@gmail.com> <06565A57-8B30-4EAA-9057-2C1CEC3EAB1C@people.net.au> <4AF1FE4A.40403@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] Daft X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 09:59:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af293ff54884877110844 Had a brane fade at the weekend - I was shooting a couple of pretty girls with my 'new' E-3 doing 'lesbian vampire' images and the studio flashes stopped firing. I couldn't work it out. So I just switched to the 5D2, cursing quietly. Then later I realised that I'd got it set to 'flash off' as usual in A or M mode - I'm not really used to having a pop-up flash and it never occurred to me that setting it not to fire it would also disable the external flash shoe! How daft is that? I mean - if you've attached a flash or trigger, why would you want to set it not to fire them? Strewth. Er, I have got this right haven't I - I can't find a mention in the manual (yes, I even resorted to reading the manual!) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 10:18:30 2009 Received: (qmail 7000 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 09:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 09:18:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFB3E181A8 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:18:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D5FE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D555C19DEF4 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:18:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D391F19DEEE for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:18:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.111]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 59123 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2009 09:18:22 -0000 Message-ID: <141331.48249.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tI8wKFMVM1kacqy5LnypZYVocMQi7QHkeQhIibrAPrZwHZlgkw1XQOZKQgCNYmEAnlrLBRqpZp.yyg5uQOFHTD1nA0rBmY.ZTOBHwvqKd8adyie3W5jV8_VeYrBicbiWQxBw9TdGk38.Sk_WfnilqgppI4cLT9AEwGO6dgMFFFg2jP5JNu.pnPQkrrMYLhq3eYwMFGUmQOokmz5QWM8O4KMBMAtPzmC93KVYGnCSudx9aUZ01_u4gYNbn_OV9cEe37YulN8jqHuXRerQWQmQVDrRrjNvBPvLHkafnW8QroR63ujyjKfQgGnREgEnqNr2ex339UDJLD.F1D701CGLkLH7bLdIWdSoKj1jz2wVRczMEl_.bZegpOO.72f_tM5G1ScCGwO2Y7m2ms41zLHgT8pBw00Eid6l8oYxCkJtxOq48mkb210eZk2jsb9QaZRglaUN3d6Fk9eETMmwwjpGlRDK65xp8bf_BdhbmTRWp11_NIj0.FNPXDxGIu.eH4d3c9xuj0FyB9QgL.WWTfSETaEkWrWU0TEfdU.8tKeEnXBb7pnyc2lBe4TTaza5b_NkJxXCBiNIPK0HakLojyXC2FH7YSCDfp0ikA-- Received: from [99.37.158.77] by web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:18:21 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:18:21 -0800 (PST) From: Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7067723.16511257336543424.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 250/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 10:18:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af29866314101950411718 I haven't really followed this thread too closely so not sure exactly what = kind of pics were requested.=A0 =A0 Jan Steinman, an old list member did some field tests on various long lense= s + TC's.=A0=A0 = =A0 Unfortunately=A0per your original request for pics, it does not include pic= s for the 250/2, although=A0 it includes many other long OM lenses, as well= as some 3rd party lenses: =A0 http://www.bytesmiths.com/OM_Tele/index.html =A0 Tim Hughes =A0 --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Dawid Loubser wrote: From: Dawid Loubser Subject: Re: [OM] 250/2 To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 3:55 AM On 04 Nov 2009, at 12:36 PM, Tim Hughes wrote: > The focusing, for tracking any kind of moving target, is terrible=A0 = > on=A0 the 300/4.5 though. > I wish they had brought out a later, internal focusing variant of=A0 = > one=A0 of the small 200mm / 300mm lenses. >>> > > The Novoflex follow focus lenses work Blah blah blah Yes, but *where are the 250/2.0 sample images*, people?? :-) -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 10:30:18 2009 Received: (qmail 17926 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 09:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 09:30:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E287E181CF for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:30:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B19EE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07FC19DF5E for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:30:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4474319DF50 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:30:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so3523858ewy.14 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:30:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.14 with SMTP id t14mr805604wee.222.1257413411054; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:30:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50CD32E7-F1C5-469E-96C8-827AE32CE395@people.net.au> References: <4af1e7b2.0a1ad00a.2ffe.3b97@mx.google.com> <4AF1F13A.9030103@blueyonder.co.uk> <50CD32E7-F1C5-469E-96C8-827AE32CE395@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:30:10 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1b72cc3a499068e3 Message-ID: <9f07ac840911050130j1af79807la19341ee03b1f7e5@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 10:30:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af29b2a118121136683642 I'd second that. The editor shares a huge amount of functionality with full-blown PS, it's just the organizer which has become very consumerish (and buggy). Jez On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Elements? Very well priced and well optioned. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 10:42:39 2009 Received: (qmail 8628 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 09:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 09:42:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03343E1824D for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6B0E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28943610001 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:42:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C203610003 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:42:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5861 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2009 09:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) 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Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 10:47:03 2009 Received: (qmail 11573 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 09:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 09:47:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40532E1824D for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FEBE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC3A3610003 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:46:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0723610001 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:46:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d58-104-127-65.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.127.65]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA59krw7017061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:46:55 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:46:55 +1100 Message-ID: <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acpd5vi1NRtUBjHAQAO3T4Yz8VQ3NAAFWXaQ Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] EP2: NO! NO! NO! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 10:47:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af29f17137231073733319 > > Where are the small, fast prime lenses! f/2.0?? f/1.4?? The f/1.0 that > would certainly be possible > by the ultra-convenient Micro Four-Thirds lens mount design?? > Dawid, Keep in mind that for the same DOF on 4/3 you need a lens that is 2 stops faster than the equivalent f/l in ff 35mm. So in your case for ff=90mm f2, you need 4/3=45mm f1 - don't hold your breath. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 10:49:27 2009 Received: (qmail 10091 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 09:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 09:49:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1C2E18229 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364E8E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24EFC19E005 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:49:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EF819DFF8 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:49:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:49:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d58-104-127-65.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.127.65]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA59nIZK016876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:49:19 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <380-22009114523630188@earthlink.net> <4AF28D45.9050409@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF28D45.9050409@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:49:20 +1100 Message-ID: <000201ca5dfd$403b2f10$c0b18d30$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acpd8lOgveEKry3gSl6oHsrWaOMJQAACqqNw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] An observation at the book store X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 10:49:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af29fa755701357919056 > > Unfortunately, my opinion of E camera usability (derived solely from > reading Oly manuals) doesn't support your hypothesis. > I agree Chuck, the real reason is that us E users are so much smarter than n*k*n/c*n*n users we don't need those books ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 10:55:53 2009 Received: (qmail 10182 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 09:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 09:55:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3563E1822E for ; 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Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:55:45 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AF09F45.4090507@chucknorcutt.com> <20091104092846.22095xy8xrlyah8o@mail.webofnilsson.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:55:45 +1100 Message-ID: <000301ca5dfe$25e08d30$71a1a790$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcpdiC53xZN0thUNRKKe9nAz5RDRtgAdd7MA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 10:55:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2a12979452013633067 > > I just posted a new "Featured Picture of the Week" on www.zone-10.com > that > illustrates why it pays to have a handheld indecent exposure meter. > Haven't used an incident meter since 1990 ? ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 10:58:10 2009 Received: (qmail 16686 invoked by uid 0); 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Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:58:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d58-104-127-65.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.127.65]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA59w0bI026558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:58:01 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AF09F45.4090507@chucknorcutt.com> <20091104092846.22095xy8xrlyah8o@mail.webofnilsson.com> <000301ca5dfe$25e08d30$71a1a790$@com.au> In-Reply-To: <000301ca5dfe$25e08d30$71a1a790$@com.au> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:58:02 +1100 Message-ID: <000a01ca5dfe$7705ddf0$651199d0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcpdiC53xZN0thUNRKKe9nAz5RDRtgAdd7MAAAAW+YA= Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 10:58:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2a1b26536107113666 ...by the way, it is a lovely shot Ken ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Harridge [mailto:wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, 5 November 2009 8:56 PM > To: 'Olympus Camera Discussion' > Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure > > > > > I just posted a new "Featured Picture of the Week" on www.zone-10.com > > that > > illustrates why it pays to have a handheld indecent exposure meter. > > > > Haven't used an incident meter since 1990 ? > > ...Wayne > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 11:10:33 2009 Received: (qmail 4024 invoked by uid 0); 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(218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 10:04:24 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF1E8EC.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:10:26 +1100 References: <30157849-CF5F-479E-832E-5E0C538ECB0F@people.net.au> <4AF1E8EC.8020402@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 11:10:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2a49990661879814018 Kleenmaid was a local branding for Speed Queen - made by Alliance of Wisconsin. Apparently they have a better rep than Maytag does these days. Lost the warranty when the local company went belly-up but I don't think I'll need it. As one review said - no energy star rating, water hungry, traditional and basic design. Great. Only lacks a coin slide mechanism - they're popular in laundromats. Laundry equivalent of a Nikon F. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/11/2009, at 7:49 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Interesting. I wonder who's left in the US to build it for them. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 11:32:50 2009 Received: (qmail 18160 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 10:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 10:32:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352AEE182CA for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B6DE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AE819E1C4 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:32:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BCE19E1C2 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:32:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:32:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.59.33] (33.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.33]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495123DAA30 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:32:37 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:32:04 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AF36074.30128.19D5B94@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091104-1, 04/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] ( OM) Olympus gallery sites X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 11:32:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2a9d2213822517112723 It crossed my mind recently, and especially when there was a wet-print exchange being organised, that maybe we have members now who have not experienced some events other that the excellent TOPE, where we can show our images to each other. Two series I have participated in are: Solstice http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~bj/solstice/ Olympus Odyssey http://www.reflective-moment.com/olympus-odyssey/participants.htm http://www.reflective-moment.com/olympus-odyssey/gallery_black_1.htm Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 11:32:51 2009 Received: (qmail 5092 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 10:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 10:32:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80747E182D9 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0402E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DE53610002 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:32:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E0B3610001 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:32:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:32:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.59.33] (33.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.33]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A9A3DAA52 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:32:35 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:32:03 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AF36073.3713.19D59BF@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091104-1, 04/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] ( OM ) Sharpening digital images X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 11:32:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2a9d3303721136683642 A little while ago, somebody stated categorically that images from digital cameras do not need sharpening. Or that's how I remember it, anyhow. My experience is the opposite. I have so far only had Olympus digital cameras, and of these only in the E series. To use one constant measure, I refer to the sharpening/blur tool in Faststone Image Viewer. This runs from 0 to + (I have never looked for the upper limit) to sharpen, and conversely to - (an increasing degree of blur). When sharpening is applied to a jpeg image, the effect can be seen quite rapidly, and it is easy to see if any particular image needs 1, 2, 4 or whatever levels of sharpening, and similarly, but observing the effect on edges such as a mountain ridgeline, it is easy to see if to much sharpening has been applied in any particular instance. In my experience, too much sharpening shows up as a "halo" effect. So, one can undo, and try again. So I have found that (with cameras on tripods) the E-1 images generally need +4 degree, and the E-3 & E-510 about +2 or +3; but sometimes nothing is to be gained by sharpening. Only trial shows this. As far as resizing in steps with a sharpen after each resize, I think it was CH Ling who showed me how to do this and demonstrated what there was to gain, when I was trying to resize this picture for the Olympus Odyssey; just look at all the lines, and with the wrong technique, they all had massive jaggies, even though the lines seem to be curved (they are not - just lots of straight lines). http://www.reflective-moment.com/olympus-odyssey/bswale/picture4.htm Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 11:36:55 2009 Received: (qmail 15917 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 10:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 10:36:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D8AE18247 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A679E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF1319E1F3 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:36:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136C419E1F2 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:36:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.58.78] (78.58.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.58.78]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EC93DAA71 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:36:48 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:36:16 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AF36170.18202.1A13675@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091104-1, 04/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent Exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 11:36:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2aac736261879814018 Many thanks to Rickard Nilsson for a clear explanation on how I can manage my E-3 to get the kinds of image I want more regularly. I'll put this into use before long. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 11:45:39 2009 Received: (qmail 6956 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 10:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 10:45:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD57E18148 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:45:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58B7E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:45:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B94119E270 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:45:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3874D19E26F for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:45:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5zqK-0003yq-Vs for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:45:29 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:45:25 -0000 Message-ID: <1F083CC04DD54F28A0E0410A74B40AFF@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acpdfd37LmM1kCwKQVmJ2z+/rlMg3AAgmh4g X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091104-1, 04/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 11:45:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2acd3231441006886880 $200 is not as high as it has been, Richard - one copy was offered on Amazon for $999 just a few months back. So what constitutes a "fair price" might be open to debate :-) >From his postings on APUG, it seems likely that Ralph Lambrecht (the author) has exhausted his supply but it would be well worth following up direct, as suggested by Frank Filippone on the other list. Edition 2 is supposed to be out in Spring 2010, but my "sources in the UK book trade" suggest that it will be in June. I guess the US edition could be several months after that. This is what Ralph says about it in postings on APUG: "if I were you, wait for edition2. It will be worth the wait. The last six years have been filled with intensive studies, research and testing." "The book has grown by almost 75% in content ... (estimated weight 3.1 kg [6.5 pounds])." "I can give you the short answer of 'lots of changes and lots of new content'. Ed1 had 304 pages, Ed2 will have well over 500 pages. This edition will be a hard-cover book due to volume, but its size and layout will not change. Ed2 will have over 1,000 illustrations and photographs, and we cover some obvious omissions of Ed1 (mounting, framing, print presentation) and added lots of new content..." Piers -----Original Message----- From: Richard Man [mailto:richard.lists@gmail.com] Sent: 04 November 2009 18:37 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? As I am moving back into printing B&W in the darkroom (and having a grand old time), I came across references to this book, especially when it comes to split grade printing (yes, I know it's a controversial subject by itself). I remember used to seeing the book in the local bookstores, but now since it is out of print, the few copies on the internet have prices like $200!!! Nutz!!! If you have a copy lying around gathering dust and you will never print in the darkroom again, please consider selling it to me at a fair price. I promise I will not resell it for a profit. Thank you. -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 11:46:46 2009 Received: (qmail 2060 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 10:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 10:46:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF24E181B2 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:46:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F668E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02A93610003 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:46:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B1C3610001 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:45:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:45:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.80) for ; 05 Nov 2009 21:45:56 +1100 Message-ID: <100.682a0400e3acf24a.001@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:45:55 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9E4F334D-4DC4-4D5C-BF1A-5C37952AD603@people.net.au> References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com> <4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr> <5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <4AF16277.9000108@gmail.com> <06565A57-8B30-4EAA-9057-2C1CEC3EAB1C@people.net.au> <4AF1FE4A.40403@gmail.com> <9E4F334D-4DC4-4D5C-BF1A-5C37952AD603@people.net.au> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.48.1429) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Daft X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 11:46:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2ad16197651560218263 Hi Andrew, > Er, I have got this right haven't I - I can't find a mention in the > manual (yes, I even resorted to reading the manual!) I had to send an E body off to Oly Sydney for repairs so they can let me know the answer to those type of questions as well as point out that there was nothing wrong with the camera except for me :o) Cheers Ian Manners There is no pleasure in having nothing to do; the fun is in having lots to do and not doing it. -Mary Little -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 12:14:28 2009 Received: (qmail 31351 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 11:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 11:14:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207FEE1829E for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D169E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0983919E35A for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:14:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2567519E368 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:14:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:14:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so8415482ywh.22 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:14:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.16.14 with SMTP id 14mr4916953ybp.246.1257419652020; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:14:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1F083CC04DD54F28A0E0410A74B40AFF@your9ya3hf92n3> References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> <1F083CC04DD54F28A0E0410A74B40AFF@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:14:11 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0911050314r60395a4dv1dca6c4f34c22b55@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 12:14:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2b394315684877110844 The price may be fair, just that I ain;t going to pay for it!!! :-) Lets see, my most expensive photos books, in order: HCB's Decisive Moment (lousy condition, at least it has a spine :-) ), Dong Hong Qoi's book, Nachtway's Inferno, and the recently purchased Roy Decaravan, and only two of those are over $200. I will probably wait for Ed2, thanks for the info. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > $200 is not as high as it has been, Richard - one copy was offered on Ama= zon > for $999 just a few months back. So what constitutes a "fair price" might= be > open to debate :-) > > >From his postings on APUG, it seems likely that Ralph Lambrecht (the aut= hor) > has exhausted his supply but it would be well worth following up direct, = as > suggested by Frank Filippone on the other list. > > Edition 2 is supposed to be out in Spring 2010, but my "sources in the UK > book trade" suggest that it will be in June. =A0I guess the US edition co= uld > be several months after that. This is what Ralph says about it in postings > on APUG: > "if I were you, wait for edition2. It will be worth the wait. The last six > years have been filled with intensive studies, research and testing." > "The book has grown by almost 75% in content ... (estimated weight 3.1 kg > [6.5 pounds])." > "I can give you the short answer of 'lots of changes and lots of new > content'. Ed1 had 304 pages, Ed2 will have well over 500 pages. This edit= ion > will be a hard-cover book due to volume, but its size and layout will not > change. Ed2 will have over 1,000 illustrations and photographs, and we co= ver > some obvious omissions of Ed1 (mounting, framing, print presentation) and > added lots of new content..." > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Man [mailto:richard.lists@gmail.com] > Sent: 04 November 2009 18:37 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? > > As I am moving back into printing B&W in the darkroom (and having a grand > old time), I came across references to this book, especially when it comes > to split grade printing (yes, I know it's a controversial subject by > itself). > > I remember used to seeing the book in the local bookstores, but now since= it > is out of print, the few copies on the internet have prices like $200!!! > Nutz!!! > > If you have a copy lying around gathering dust and you will never print in > the darkroom again, please consider selling it to me at a fair price. I > promise I will not resell it for a profit. > > Thank you. > > -- > // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com > // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: > http://rfman.wordpress.com > // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 12:40:44 2009 Received: (qmail 30993 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 11:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 11:40:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F93E18245 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C45E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBBF3610001 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:40:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A99F3610006 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:40:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:40:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <15801779.16991257422043336.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 811 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:54:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:40:31 +0200 References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] EP2: NO! NO! NO! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 12:40:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2b9bc265201744846740 Thanks Wayne, I am certainly well aware of that. You may have picked up that I enjoy shallow DOF, but I have no illusions of ever achieving that from a quarter-area sensor camera. Still, why I wish they would introduce said lenses, is to make up for the poorer high-ISO performance, and to produce an overall more flexible photographic tool which would not get slaughtered when Canon/Nikon etc. finally get onto this bandwagon, which they surely will (be forced to by the market). I wish Olympus had done better. But our hopes must lie in a manufacturer such as Cosina/Voigtlander, who might maybe one day start designing lenses specifically for the Micro Four Thirds mount. Otherwise, aesthetics of the big ugly finder aside, the E-P2 looks quite nice. Just not the small professional tool I would have liked to see, personally. regards, Dawid On 05 Nov 2009, at 11:46 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > Dawid, > > Keep in mind that for the same DOF on 4/3 you need a lens that is 2 > stops > faster than the equivalent f/l in ff 35mm. So in your case for > ff=90mm f2, > you need 4/3=45mm f1 - don't hold your breath. > > ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 12:42:15 2009 Received: (qmail 23278 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 11:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 11:42:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC5BE1824D for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A1EE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7C219E4DA for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:41:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E3C19E48A for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:41:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:41:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32511367.17001257422124177.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 516 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:55:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <141331.48249.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:41:52 +0200 References: <141331.48249.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 250/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 12:42:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2ba17121941357919056 Tim, I was was requesting images to see how people have been using the 250/2.0 for "non-test" subject, i.e. artistically, in order for us to see the drawing character of the lens. On 05 Nov 2009, at 11:18 AM, Hughes wrote: > I haven't really followed this thread too closely so not sure > exactly what kind of pics were requested. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 12:47:39 2009 Received: (qmail 22119 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 11:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 11:47:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6055CE182A0 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C8DE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:47:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A204C19E53F for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:47:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A3B19E534 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:47:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so8464574yxe.22 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:47:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.92.12 with SMTP id u12mr5072445ybl.32.1257421653244; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:47:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:47:33 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0911050347j4abf6ff9p5a6c583c295623@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] When Two Thousands People Join Hands and Dance the Spiral... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 12:47:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2bb5b67191234514069 http://rfman.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/when-two-thousands-people-join-hands/ Printed in the wetroom and print scanned. A bit of abnormal experience for me as I have two neg scanners and normally would just scan the negative. But the wetroom B&W print has no bronzing problem, nor block up shadows... -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 12:58:39 2009 Received: (qmail 24475 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 11:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 11:58:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965A0E182A4 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:58:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04519E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52443610005 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:58:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F223610004 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:58:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091105115832611.JFXG4372@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:58:32 +0000 Message-Id: <73EC4692-1B9F-4A67-8914-670B98AD4956@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <30157849-CF5F-479E-832E-5E0C538ECB0F@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:58:31 -0500 References: <30157849-CF5F-479E-832E-5E0C538ECB0F@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) an off-topic question for rural USA-dwellers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 12:58:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2bdef309361744846740 Gee, we just bought a new washer last year, and I could swear the sales guy said it was made in Oz. Damned good machine, too. At least so far. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Nov 4, 2009, at 3:28 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Yes - I bought a new washing machine last year - Kleenmaid - made in > US - because we were sick of Asian built machines with plastic > gearboxes dying after 3-5 years. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 13:05:55 2009 Received: (qmail 800 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 12:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 12:05:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95F4E182A2 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2BE6E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:05:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EAE19E617 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:05:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2554A19E612 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:05:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:05:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091105120549279.HUQI20461@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:05:49 +0000 Message-Id: <0B6026EC-276C-4097-8D72-FC352B73EFA7@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:05:48 -0500 References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041154k3695ea9aw594a9ada0d668f0@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041209l5a8685a8lfc266e7a6317782f@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 13:05:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2bfa3231452013633067 Now, AG, you're setting yourself up as a victim when there are no persecutors. I can't recall a single time when you have been castigated for shooting film. I don't know why anyone would want to. True, the pro-film rants do get a little tiresome because you make yourself out to be a victim of the digital world when you're not, but then we don't have to read them, do we? --Bob Whitmire "www.bwp33.com On Nov 4, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > We're going to get drummed out of here by the digital crowd. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 13:19:33 2009 Received: (qmail 8831 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 12:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 12:19:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401ACE181AC for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:19:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50449E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0507A19E6C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:19:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A2C19E6C5 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:19:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (smtp02.online.nl [194.134.41.32]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:19:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244FCA260 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:19:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:19:24 +0100 (CET) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:19:16 +0100 Message-ID: <7F5CE1D2B96E49AB80E344704CEDCFEF@wiliam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <32511367.17001257422124177.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp02.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] 250/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 13:19:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2c2d590072439112457 Dawid, I wish I could help you out on this question. I can only find 3 photos I made one fiine day when I was allowed to use the ZD 90-250mm 2.8 for a short while. Not exactly the lens you requested, but does come close, well at least as close as I can get ;-( http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/tags/90250mm/ Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Dawid Loubser [mailto:dawidl@solms.co.za] > Verzonden: donderdag 5 november 2009 12:42 > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [OM] 250/2 > > > Tim, I was was requesting images to see how people have been > using the > 250/2.0 > for "non-test" subject, i.e. artistically, in order for us to > see the > drawing > character of the lens. > > > On 05 Nov 2009, at 11:18 AM, Hughes wrote: > > > I haven't really followed this thread too closely so not sure > > exactly what kind of pics were requested. > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 9.0.698 / Virusdatabase: 270.14.49/2480 - datum van > uitgifte: 11/04/09 08:37:00 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 13:28:08 2009 Received: (qmail 11272 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 12:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 12:28:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9ABE18255 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A884E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4727534AC029 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:28:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9CA34AC026 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:28:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24235 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2009 12:28:01 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091105-0, 11/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] The Online Photographer: Panasonic GF1 vs. Olympus E-P1, Part I X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 13:28:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2c4d8256976789618724 It's not a fully finished review yet but here's Mike Johnston's initial impressions of the Panasonic GF1 and Olympus E-P1. What's notable is that he recognizes that the E-P1 is slower focusing than the GF1 but (unlike others) doesn't consider the speed difference to be terribly significant and doesn't understand why others do. He also very much prefers the Panasonic's 20/1.7 to the Oly's 17/2.8 (why so slow?). This first part of the review just covers individual features of the cameras and his personal preferences. He will add overall usage preference and cover image quality later on. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 13:37:03 2009 Received: (qmail 9096 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 12:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 12:37:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841F6E18279 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8298E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C724519E778 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:36:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E6A19E760 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:36:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so8480792ywh.22 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:36:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.23.18 with SMTP id a18mr2083773anj.144.1257424615804; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:36:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:36:55 +0000 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] A button has been pushed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 13:37:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2c6ef39441006886880 It seems that in the current economic climate my savings are earning me pathetically little in interest, so I've decided to do my bit to boost the economy by spending some of them. To that end, I visited Bristol Cameras yesterday and asked them to get me a DZ 50-200 SWD. They have a fairly good price on them atm, for a UK retailer at least, plus Olympus are offering =A360 cashback until the end of Jan. Now I'll just have to go take some pics to justify it ;) -- = Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 13:42:56 2009 Received: (qmail 27527 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 12:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 12:42:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F01CE18279 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE618E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D7834AC026 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:42:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F7834AC025 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:42:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so10161635bwz.30 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:42:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.50.32 with SMTP id c32mr1148761muk.1.1257424968766; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:42:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF36074.30128.19D5B94@bj.caverock.net.nz> References: <4AF36074.30128.19D5B94@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:42:48 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911050442r619ebc14v64c176669909104d@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM) Olympus gallery sites X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 13:42:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2c850116711946193717 Thank you. For some reason I cannot recall now, I skipped looking the Odyssey series. Could be that I felt reluctant to participate. Too far away. " .... that's my good eye that's watching you!." is both well done and has a fine mood. Great. Now I have the uneasy feeling / need to buy a 50/3,5 ... should not have looked into Mordor's eye: good and bad coexist as in a dialectic of existence. Little time to participate in the list - thanks all who have answered issues I somehow posed. Fernando. 2009/11/5 Brian Swale : > It crossed my mind recently, -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 14:34:27 2009 Received: (qmail 4320 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 13:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 13:34:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204F5E181CF for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD3AE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B6A19E95D for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:34:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D9119E950 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:34:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jgettis81@earthlink.net whitelisted) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.175.104.237] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N62Tl-0001Ea-0l for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:34:21 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220091145133421177@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:34:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da9407300b66ef202926384f40b446af5982e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.104.237 Subject: Re: [OM] Daft X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 14:34:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2d46352816789618724 'lesbian vampire" ? By the way thanks for the tip on turning the flash off I expect it will be similar on the new E-30 I have and you probably saved me much aggravation and if I had much hair to tear out some ot that too. Joh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 14:47:18 2009 Received: (qmail 14476 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 13:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 13:47:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67E0E18229 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5498BE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:47:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494C934AC025 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:47:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17D934AC024 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:47:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:47:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KSN00DHE2ALE4Z1@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:47:09 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-89-230-16.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.230.16]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:49:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:47:10 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <8F9AD6EAFA6F4FE98F73B86E4D18192E@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIKAF9m8koYWeYQ/2dsb2JhbACBSIkX1BwKhDMEhQ0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,686,1249268400"; d="scan'208";a="659587479" X-EsetScannerBuild: 5973 References: <380-220091145133421177@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Daft X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 14:47:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2d76692441234514069 Yep ........unnaturally inclined people eating each other ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Daft > 'lesbian vampire" ? > > By the way thanks for the tip on turning the flash off I expect it will > be > similar on the new E-30 I have and you probably saved me much aggravation > and if I had much hair to tear out some ot that too. Joh > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4575 (20091105) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4575 (20091105) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 14:51:13 2009 Received: (qmail 3483 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 13:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 13:51:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F2CE1824D for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A4BE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097A419EA14 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:51:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B37A19EA0B for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:51:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp01.jazztel.es (smtp01.jazztel.es [62.14.3.170]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:51:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [87.222.165.26] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by smtp01.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N62jw-0006It-EP for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:51:04 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: David Irisarri Vila In-Reply-To: <15801779.16991257422043336.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:50:58 +0100 Message-Id: <70E405B1-75E0-4FB8-959A-099F7699C833@mirko2.jazztel.es> References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> <15801779.16991257422043336.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: Re: [OM] EP2: NO! NO! NO! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 14:51:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2d851185961136683642 Hi Dawid, Honestly I am also semi-disappointed. I really wanted to buy a much = better camera than E-P1 in terms of focusing speed, better dynamic = range but no luck. Please have a look to this video: http://www.quesabesde.com/camaras-digitales/camaras/olympus-e-p2-videos,447= 2.html It=B4s in Spanish but I translate it. It is almost identical to E-P1. Differences can be count with five fingers. 1. VF-2 connector. 2. This special connector can be used for using an external microphone. 3. Manual controls in video mode. 4. Two new art filters. 5. Black colour. Then he shakes the camera but no flash appears... AF speed, = identical!!! NO WAY!!! No primes. Definitely I think I will buy a Panasonic 20/1.7 lens and I = will use my ZD 50/2. I don=B4t know if it will focus in AF mode but I = prefer using it in manual mode rather than using these kit lenses. Regards, Dave -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 14:53:23 2009 Received: (qmail 12111 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 13:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 13:53:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09640E181CD for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B89E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F2A34AC025 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:53:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C5634AC024 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:53:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30214 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2009 13:53:15 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2009 13:53:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF2D8CA.3070106@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:53:14 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9f07ac840911030709n9195b29lf8d8fc20f2a0ca6@mail.gmail.com><4AF05C97.6060901@sfr.fr><5B80C2E85CEF4D60AEA5180BA2A25FF1@SueHome> <28AD87FA93C74924B69F42AA0B1F89D4@SueHome> <4AF11DF4.3020101@gmail.com> <0E2367D9-6F4B-4D80-8D9D-37598B9EABA1@people.net.au> <4AF16277.9000108@gmail.com> <06565A57-8B30-4EAA-9057-2C1CEC3EAB1C@people.net.au> <4AF1FE4A.40403@gmail.com> <9E4F334D-4DC4-4D5C-BF1A-5C37952AD603@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <9E4F334D-4DC4-4D5C-BF1A-5C37952AD603@people.net.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091105-0, 11/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Daft X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 14:53:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2d8d317112439112457 The manual could be much clearer (absolutely terrible organization and sequencing) but it appears to me that the built-in flash is disabled by simply not raising it. It appears to have no automatic release mechanism so, as long as you haven't popped it up, it can't fire. If that's the case then the "flash off" setting clearly pertains to the external flash connections. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Had a brane fade at the weekend - I was shooting a couple of pretty > girls with my 'new' E-3 doing 'lesbian vampire' images and the studio > flashes stopped firing. I couldn't work it out. So I just switched to > the 5D2, cursing quietly. > Then later I realised that I'd got it set to 'flash off' as usual in A > or M mode - I'm not really used to having a pop-up flash and it never > occurred to me that setting it not to fire it would also disable the > external flash shoe! How daft is that? I mean - if you've attached a > flash or trigger, why would you want to set it not to fire them? > Strewth. > Er, I have got this right haven't I - I can't find a mention in the > manual (yes, I even resorted to reading the manual!) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 15:23:29 2009 Received: (qmail 30273 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 14:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 14:23:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EA9E181AE for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:23:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C664BE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:23:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6FB34AC029 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:23:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EB634AC025 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:23:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:23:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26830 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2009 14:23:23 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2009 14:23:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF2DFDA.6040808@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:23:22 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF36073.3713.19D59BF@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4AF36073.3713.19D59BF@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091105-0, 11/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Sharpening digital images X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 15:23:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2dfe159201413256596 I'm not sure who might have made such an erroneous statement since all digital images do require sharpening (including those from a scanner). In fact, when done properly, digital images should be sharpened twice. The first sharpening is called "capture sharpening". It is a light sharpening and is independent of any planned use of the image. This is the type of sharpening done in Camera Raw. The next sharpening is called "output sharpening" where the degree of sharpening is related to output print size. Such sharpening is obviously not done until a final image is cropped and sized for a particular print size. I'll leave the discussion to this link Brian Swale wrote: > A little while ago, somebody stated categorically that images from digital > cameras do not need sharpening. Or that's how I remember it, anyhow. > > My experience is the opposite. I have so far only had Olympus digital > cameras, and of these only in the E series. > > To use one constant measure, I refer to the sharpening/blur tool in > Faststone Image Viewer. This runs from 0 to + (I have never looked for the > upper limit) to sharpen, and conversely to - (an increasing degree of blur). > When sharpening is applied to a jpeg image, the effect can be seen quite > rapidly, and it is easy to see if any particular image needs 1, 2, 4 or > whatever levels of sharpening, and similarly, but observing the effect on > edges such as a mountain ridgeline, it is easy to see if to much sharpening > has been applied in any particular instance. In my experience, too much > sharpening shows up as a "halo" effect. So, one can undo, and try again. > > So I have found that (with cameras on tripods) the E-1 images generally > need +4 degree, and the E-3 & E-510 about +2 or +3; but sometimes > nothing is to be gained by sharpening. Only trial shows this. > > As far as resizing in steps with a sharpen after each resize, I think it was CH > Ling who showed me how to do this and demonstrated what there was to > gain, when I was trying to resize this picture for the Olympus Odyssey; just > look at all the lines, and with the wrong technique, they all had massive > jaggies, even though the lines seem to be curved (they are not - just lots of > straight lines). > http://www.reflective-moment.com/olympus-odyssey/bswale/picture4.htm > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 15:39:52 2009 Received: (qmail 23030 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 14:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 14:39:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC471E18279 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007B9E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D7734AC026 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:39:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F7C34AC025 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:39:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091105143945887.NWWO4372@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:39:45 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF1EA9E.8040807@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:39:45 -0500 References: <4af1e7b2.0a1ad00a.2ffe.3b97@mx.google.com> <4AF1EA9E.8040807@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 15:39:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2e3b8256981357919056 Yep. I started with PWP, too. And I used to keep a copy around, but no more. It's all PS now. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Nov 4, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > PWP is an editor... period. I started with PWP and it took me a long > time to cotton to Photoshop (started with 7). PWP has some tools > that I > consider superior to PhotoShop (the clone tool especially) but it does > not have layers. One can do the same thing as layers (in a more > round-about way) but now that I have become accustomed to PS and > layers > I can't readily go back. So I pay the Adobe freight charge but also > keep a copy of PWP around. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 15:45:40 2009 Received: (qmail 9774 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 14:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 14:45:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCBDE182A2 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:45:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75ECBE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:45:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D1919EC24 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:45:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E1919EBF4 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:45:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:45:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so54830yxe.22 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:45:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.181.165 with SMTP id m37mr339616hbg.11.1257432328471; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:45:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0B6026EC-276C-4097-8D72-FC352B73EFA7@roadrunner.com> References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041154k3695ea9aw594a9ada0d668f0@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041209l5a8685a8lfc266e7a6317782f@mail.gmail.com> <0B6026EC-276C-4097-8D72-FC352B73EFA7@roadrunner.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:45:28 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6292df07b4c6f92b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 15:45:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2e51457139752976205 > > True, the pro-film rants do get a little tiresome because you make > yourself out to be a victim of the digital world when you're not, but > then we don't have to read them, do we? > OK, OK, I'll knock off the victim mentality. The fact is, there is absolutely nothing to be ashamed about in shooting film. I have my digital stuff for when that's appropriate, but film is what I grab whenever it I can. It's the choice I make and it works for me. Just have others have discovered, it offers artistic freedom. I'm reminded of something... I do NOT work an assembly line job because that's not my mentality. Why would I turn my photography into assembly line work? As to the Upcoming 2nd Edition of "Way Beyond Monochrome", that is very exciting and I'll definitely be buying my copy. It'll cost as much as an hunk of photo gear, but well worth it. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 15:49:55 2009 Received: (qmail 2520 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 14:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 14:49:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D1EE181CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:49:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922F2E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:49:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7541219EC64 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:49:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D663419EC3C for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:49:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19580 invoked by uid 504); 5 Nov 2009 14:49:48 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2009 14:49:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF2E60B.2030801@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:49:47 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041154k3695ea9aw594a9ada0d668f0@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041209l5a8685a8lfc266e7a6317782f@mail.gmail.com> <0B6026EC-276C-4097-8D72-FC352B73EFA7@roadrunner.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091105-0, 11/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 15:49:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2e61393071073733319 Your promise in the first sentence didn't even survive the second paragraph! :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> True, the pro-film rants do get a little tiresome because you make >> yourself out to be a victim of the digital world when you're not, but >> then we don't have to read them, do we? >> > > OK, OK, I'll knock off the victim mentality. The fact is, there is > absolutely nothing to be ashamed about in shooting film. I have my digital > stuff for when that's appropriate, but film is what I grab whenever it I > can. It's the choice I make and it works for me. Just have others have > discovered, it offers artistic freedom. > > I'm reminded of something... I do NOT work an assembly line job because > that's not my mentality. Why would I turn my photography into assembly line > work? > > As to the Upcoming 2nd Edition of "Way Beyond Monochrome", that is very > exciting and I'll definitely be buying my copy. It'll cost as much as an > hunk of photo gear, but well worth it. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 15:51:34 2009 Received: (qmail 23058 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 14:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 14:51:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58675E18200 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C32E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF6219EC6F for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:51:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE8019EB49 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:51:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f202.google.com (mail-qy0-f202.google.com [209.85.221.202]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:51:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk40 with SMTP id 40so24430qyk.22 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:51:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.204 with SMTP id l12mr352348hbe.36.1257432688222; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:51:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7740BA31-DE5D-4C9A-A50A-19228371CE2A@people.net.au> References: <380-22009113423112723@earthlink.net> <696F7C8F-CB1D-44B7-B5FD-4A97B44957D0@people.net.au> <7740BA31-DE5D-4C9A-A50A-19228371CE2A@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:51:28 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6c9af400ceff87d4 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [SPAM] Re: The Curse of the Lost Lens Cap X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 15:51:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2e67638261950411718 > > That's a disturbing admission. > Considering the source (Ken Rockwell), it is very disturbing. But he has a point. Actually, what is really scary is that I agree with KR more than I'd care to admit. Our backgrounds and past careers are very similar and for some strange reason I understand his humor as well as exaggerations. AG (must go wash) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 15:55:18 2009 Received: (qmail 13030 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 14:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 14:55:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFEDE18056 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:55:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A869AE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:55:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B31019ECA7 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:55:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0DC19ECC6 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:55:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so69733ywh.22 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:55:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.161 with SMTP id t33mr294618hbt.115.1257432911439; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:55:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF2E60B.2030801@chucknorcutt.com> References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041154k3695ea9aw594a9ada0d668f0@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041209l5a8685a8lfc266e7a6317782f@mail.gmail.com> <0B6026EC-276C-4097-8D72-FC352B73EFA7@roadrunner.com> <4AF2E60B.2030801@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:55:11 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a65690fa2ef525bc Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 15:55:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2e75698056107113666 > > Your promise in the first sentence didn't even survive the second > paragraph! :-) > LOL, Well, I can see how you could have interpreted it that way. What I meant to say is that "I'm bloody proud to be a film shooter!" AG (Halide) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 16:12:36 2009 Received: (qmail 15703 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 15:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 15:12:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0639AE182C7 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86125E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712B134AC026 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:12:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E4634AC024 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:12:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:12:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <25431886.17051257434757817.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 431 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:25:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7F5CE1D2B96E49AB80E344704CEDCFEF@wiliam> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:12:25 +0200 References: <7F5CE1D2B96E49AB80E344704CEDCFEF@wiliam> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 250/2 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 16:12:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2eb64314419752976205 Thank you Wiliam for your efforts to sooth my need :-) Much appreciated... Must have been quite something to use the 90-250/2.8 beast. I've never even seen one. Unfortunately, it's not quite the same thing :-( I have used various C*non Supertele lenses in the past (300/2.8, 400/2.8, and have once experienced a 200/1.8) and I am specifically just interested in the "look" of the 250/2.0 - the specific DOF characteristics of that aperture and focal length, as well as the corner light falloff at f/2 (which is supposed to be considerable according to Gary Reese, but I actually like that for the type of images I usually make with a lens wide open, i.e. coupled with shallow DOF). I also would just like to have seen what people have done with this fine lens. Surely when peering through it, one would have to actually force onesself to *stop* taking photos? (or when one collapses from the strain of handling 4Kgs of glass :-) Sigh... On 05 Nov 2009, at 2:19 PM, Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > Dawid, > > I wish I could help you out on this question. I can only find 3 > photos I > made one fiine day when I was allowed to use the ZD 90-250mm 2.8 for a > short while. Not exactly the lens you requested, but does come close, > well at least as close as I can get ;-( > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/wiliam/tags/90250mm/ > > Wiliam > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: Dawid Loubser [mailto:dawidl@solms.co.za] >> Verzonden: donderdag 5 november 2009 12:42 >> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Onderwerp: Re: [OM] 250/2 >> >> >> Tim, I was was requesting images to see how people have been >> using the >> 250/2.0 >> for "non-test" subject, i.e. artistically, in order for us to >> see the >> drawing >> character of the lens. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 16:23:45 2009 Received: (qmail 19143 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 15:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 15:23:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212CBE182B2 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A5BE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:23:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A3034AC026 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:23:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BAF34AC025 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:23:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:23:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA5FNWZT026427 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:23:33 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AF36073.3713.19D59BF@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:22:54 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Sharpening digital images X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 16:23:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2ee00233461950411718 The degree of sharpening is very depending on the camera, Olympus require more due to the strong AA filter. 5D II has a weaker AA filter (I heard the 5D is even weaker) so it require less and in most cases I just avoid sharpen the image to reduce the artifacts - such as halo and change of relative brightness of micro details. Sharpening and LCE will affect the original mood of the image so I will limit them to minimum. For sharpen between resize, I remember we had a discussion before, this is especially useful for soft image such as the one due to focus shift, I had lots of problem with the E-1 and E-300 event shots. For those problem images I will apply a strong sharpen at the orignal size before performing resize (or more than one time between each resize step), this will reduce the sharpening artifact when compared to applying the sharpen on the final stage. For Brian's sample, I remember it was also helpful to avoid using sharpen on the final stage in order to reduce the jaggies. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Swale" >A little while ago, somebody stated categorically that images from digital > cameras do not need sharpening. Or that's how I remember it, anyhow. > > My experience is the opposite. I have so far only had Olympus digital > cameras, and of these only in the E series. > > To use one constant measure, I refer to the sharpening/blur tool in > Faststone Image Viewer. This runs from 0 to + (I have never looked for the > upper limit) to sharpen, and conversely to - (an increasing degree of > blur). > When sharpening is applied to a jpeg image, the effect can be seen quite > rapidly, and it is easy to see if any particular image needs 1, 2, 4 or > whatever levels of sharpening, and similarly, but observing the effect on > edges such as a mountain ridgeline, it is easy to see if to much > sharpening > has been applied in any particular instance. In my experience, too much > sharpening shows up as a "halo" effect. So, one can undo, and try again. > > So I have found that (with cameras on tripods) the E-1 images generally > need +4 degree, and the E-3 & E-510 about +2 or +3; but sometimes > nothing is to be gained by sharpening. Only trial shows this. > > As far as resizing in steps with a sharpen after each resize, I think it > was CH > Ling who showed me how to do this and demonstrated what there was to > gain, when I was trying to resize this picture for the Olympus Odyssey; > just > look at all the lines, and with the wrong technique, they all had massive > jaggies, even though the lines seem to be curved (they are not - just lots > of > straight lines). > http://www.reflective-moment.com/olympus-odyssey/bswale/picture4.htm > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 17:36:12 2009 Received: (qmail 4597 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 16:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 16:36:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E05E18316 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC64E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:36:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B372519F6ED for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:36:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7157919F6EB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:36:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:36:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5163141EA for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D3F31435E for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:02:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4AF2FEF8.4020801@interisland.net> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:36:08 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091105-1, 11/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 17:36:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2fefc279589730998309 > > Elements? Very well priced and well optioned. > Andrew Fildes Photoshop Elements 8 for Windows Minibox $99.99 Your Price: $79.99 With Promo Code EMCMMLS38 $59.99 After $20.00 MIR -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 17:39:28 2009 Received: (qmail 8625 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 16:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 16:39:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FD3E182B4 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:39:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B29CE240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:39:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD80C19F6FB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:39:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D95B19ED43 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:39:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091105163922.ZLVJ6358.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:39:22 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 1UfM1d0054Z9Gks02UfMpg; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:39:21 -0500 X-VR-Score: -200.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Qf-yLNPaqwoA:10 a=rch71QQ5AAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=9K6yiPjQAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=c4xV1zaggubSq_VfK_EA:9 a=ZCzDZ4oyJo4j1Bl0qiIA:7 a=MvaVtiHwt6YEMnDZfTTBdXvRsZ8A:4 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AF36073.3713.19D59BF@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:39:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Sharpening digital images X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 17:39:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af2ffc0125953900897491 The M9 has no AA filter whatsoever, but I've not had suffficient experience to know anything other than the raw files look razor sharp. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Sharpening digital images > The degree of sharpening is very depending on the camera, Olympus require > more due to the strong AA filter. 5D II has a weaker AA filter (I heard > the > 5D is even weaker) so it require less and in most cases I just avoid > sharpen > the image to reduce the artifacts - such as halo and change of relative > brightness of micro details. Sharpening and LCE will affect the original > mood of the image so I will limit them to minimum. > > For sharpen between resize, I remember we had a discussion before, this is > especially useful for soft image such as the one due to focus shift, I had > lots of problem with the E-1 and E-300 event shots. For those problem > images > I will apply a strong sharpen at the orignal size before performing resize > (or more than one time between each resize step), this will reduce the > sharpening artifact when compared to applying the sharpen on the final > stage. For Brian's sample, I remember it was also helpful to avoid using > sharpen on the final stage in order to reduce the jaggies. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Swale" > >>A little while ago, somebody stated categorically that images from digital >> cameras do not need sharpening. Or that's how I remember it, anyhow. >> >> My experience is the opposite. I have so far only had Olympus digital >> cameras, and of these only in the E series. >> >> To use one constant measure, I refer to the sharpening/blur tool in >> Faststone Image Viewer. This runs from 0 to + (I have never looked for >> the >> upper limit) to sharpen, and conversely to - (an increasing degree of >> blur). >> When sharpening is applied to a jpeg image, the effect can be seen quite >> rapidly, and it is easy to see if any particular image needs 1, 2, 4 or >> whatever levels of sharpening, and similarly, but observing the effect on >> edges such as a mountain ridgeline, it is easy to see if to much >> sharpening >> has been applied in any particular instance. In my experience, too much >> sharpening shows up as a "halo" effect. So, one can undo, and try again. >> >> So I have found that (with cameras on tripods) the E-1 images generally >> need +4 degree, and the E-3 & E-510 about +2 or +3; but sometimes >> nothing is to be gained by sharpening. Only trial shows this. >> >> As far as resizing in steps with a sharpen after each resize, I think it >> was CH >> Ling who showed me how to do this and demonstrated what there was to >> gain, when I was trying to resize this picture for the Olympus Odyssey; >> just >> look at all the lines, and with the wrong technique, they all had massive >> jaggies, even though the lines seem to be curved (they are not - just >> lots >> of >> straight lines). >> http://www.reflective-moment.com/olympus-odyssey/bswale/picture4.htm >> >> Brian Swale. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.51/2482 - Release Date: 11/05/09 07:37:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 17:49:15 2009 Received: (qmail 25989 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 16:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 16:49:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FE5E182A4 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEADDE240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E8319F787 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:49:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7164419F785 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:49:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com (mail-gx0-f221.google.com [209.85.217.221]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so166118gxk.10 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:49:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.99 with SMTP id c35mr299550hbg.197.1257439743268; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:49:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4af1e7b2.0a1ad00a.2ffe.3b97@mx.google.com> <4AF1EA9E.8040807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:49:03 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e3766e2bf01765e4 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 17:49:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3020a260981950411718 > > Yep. I started with PWP, too. And I used to keep a copy around, but no > more. It's all PS now. > I have a copy of PSE 2.0 (or is it PSE 3.0?) for some random items like the healing brush and layers. But for layers, I actually prefer THE GIMP. On my computer, it takes two minutes for PSE to start up and another 20 seconds to open a 5MP file. PWP 5.0 takes five seconds to start up and about three seconds to open a 5MP file. Resizing? To scale a 5MP image (single step, cubic) 200% takes around a minute in PSE and GIMP, and about 5 seconds in PWP. With just 1GB of RAM, I can open and easily flip between a dozen images in PWP, but it's choke city in the other programs with two. But, for me, it really comes down to several usability issues: I too, am a layers user, so PWP's omission of layering is problematic at times, but the program does offer alternative working methods and solutions. Jonathan Sachs is not just the programmer, but he's also the #1 user of the program and a bloody good photographer to boot. For me to be able to manipulate 4000 ppi scans of full-frame 35mm film in 48bit aRGB mode with just 1GB of ram in a moderately fast, but aged, laptop without pulling my long, golden locks of hair out is saying something about PWP. Specific areas of strength as to why I value the program: 1. Speed and memory efficiency. 2. Scaling algorithms that work. 3. OUTSTANDING color and levels adjustment tools with an "analog character". 4. Improved JPEG algorithm. 5. Sharpening tools that don't turn the image all crunchy. 6. Masking. The masking tools are second to none. 7. Cloning tool that is almost like Adobe's Healing Brush. (better than any other cloning tool out there). 8. Multiple versions of the file open at a time--being able to experiment at will, mixing and matching processing steps. 9. aRGB-sRGB conversion tool that rocks. I've never been able to successfully work my files in aRGB before and get them to convert to sRGB without weird things happening with other software. 10. Last thing that I'll say right now, but the list does go on--Repeatability. This not only means that I can automatically apply same processing steps to multiple files, but more importantly, I know exactly what to expect. I need to draw a parallel here. In the audio world, digital rules. It rules for very good reasons. For those of you you may think I'm some recalcitrant cave-man in this modern world, I think my background in professional and broadcast audio would prove you wrong. I doubt there are ten people in the world that pushed the limits of digital audio sooner and harder than me. Without exaggeration, and without bragging, I will point out that there are some things that are taken for granted now which were actually my doing. Just a case in point, I implemented the first known multitrack computer-based surround-sound live-theatre system as well as digitized follie for live television drama. The audio/video controI system for the Olympic Rings musical fountain in Atlanta. The multitrack editing methods for creating advertising spots. Two of the five largest digital audio systems in the world for radio broadcast. Satellite Radio systems. I also helped design a couple of the most popular plug-in audio processing algorithms and two high-end microphones. I also designed a safety-message system for mining operations. I was also key in the development of a digital mixer. One particular "crown jewel", which I originally started development of in 1987 is the audio store-and-forward with automated spot-insert system which is used by most syndicated radio networks in the world today. My ears may not have been "golden", but they were polished silver. I also know my way around acoustical design. What I don't know, I know who does know. My own personal audio gear is digital. I work in the digital realm almost exclusively. I say all this because when it comes to digital audio, I'm not just a convert, but an argument could be made that I'm pretty far up the food chain in that world. Then WHY am I so adament that the best "affordable" mixer and EQ in the world is analog? http://toftaudiodesigns.com/ The reason is that there is something unique to the design which is not easily replicated in the digital world. This has nothing to do with technology and everything to do with replication of the flaws--the way electrons do wierd things in the physical world. The EQ section of this mixer (as well as the rack-mount modules) has never been satisfactorily replicated digitally. Mimicked, but never duplicated. In fact, the EQ has never been totally matched in the analog world by any other person. It is not just an outstanding EQ, but for some kinds of audio, it is unmatched and in a world unto its own. So what does that have to do with the above mentioned software? What Jonathan Sachs has done is replicated the analog photographic world better than I've seen in any other software. When you make an adjustment--the exact same adjustment as in other software, the resulting image looks different. When you do a levels adjustment on a B&W image, it better replicates what happens in the darkroom better than other software. PWP allows you to adjust by feel, not just by numbers. I believe that he has inserted some custom code into the algorithms to give the images a feel that is not possible through standard math. The difference is there. Just as in how there are differences in RAW converters, I believe there is a difference in editors. PWP is the real deal. It is a strange editor, for sure, and misses some important features, but if you can stomach the learning curve and the alternate ways of thinking, it is a tool which is not only unique, but able to get your images places they wouldn't have gone otherwise. No, I have not been paid for this review and I bought my own copies of PWP at full price. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 17:51:39 2009 Received: (qmail 26455 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 16:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 16:51:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D7FE1829F for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0967E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B88E19F796 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:51:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044F819F740 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:51:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8DE46167F for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:18:54 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <4af1e7b2.0a1ad00a.2ffe.3b97@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:51:30 +0000 Message-Id: References: <4af1e7b2.0a1ad00a.2ffe.3b97@mx.google.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 17:51:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3029b41561234514069 Jez, Picasa does a reasonable job. The cataloguing is automatic and there is iPhoto-like separation of groups by date or event. You use Picasa online, but don't you use it on your desktop? I use a combination of Picasa and Aperture for my photos because I am truly cr*ply organised ... :-) Chris On 4 Nov 2009, at 20:42, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > I'm gonna have a good look at pwp - but it's the organizing of those > 15000+ images more than pixel-level editing I'm looking for. Is it > any good at that? > Jez -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 18:09:38 2009 Received: (qmail 1608 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 17:09:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 17:09:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF619E181DE for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:09:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F88E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D22834AC025 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:09:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB4734AC028 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:09:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so235161ywh.22 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:09:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.130.31 with SMTP id 31mr316500hbh.134.1257440970802; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:09:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF36073.3713.19D59BF@bj.caverock.net.nz> References: <4AF36073.3713.19D59BF@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:09:30 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f4c8041bc1500394 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Sharpening digital images X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 18:09:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af306d2263102517112723 > > As far as resizing in steps with a sharpen after each resize, I think it > was CH > Ling who showed me how to do this and demonstrated what there was to > gain, when I was trying to resize this picture for the Olympus Odyssey; > just > look at all the lines, and with the wrong technique, they all had massive > jaggies, even though the lines seem to be curved (they are not - just lots > of > straight lines). > http://www.reflective-moment.com/olympus-odyssey/bswale/picture4.htm > When resizing an image like that DOWNWARD for web display, you will run into aliasing artifacts which is what causes the jaggies. Best thing to do is to actually apply a bit of blurring to the image prior to downsizing and then sharpening at the end. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 18:12:07 2009 Received: (qmail 4006 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 17:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 17:12:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AD1E18279 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5687E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFAF34AC027 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:12:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF0B34AC026 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:12:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so238052ywh.22 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:12:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.207 with SMTP id u15mr308197hbu.95.1257441120098; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:12:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <380-220091145133421177@earthlink.net> References: <380-220091145133421177@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:12:00 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1e73a72aaf3756f9 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Daft X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 18:12:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af30767206071234514069 > > 'lesbian vampire" ? > I think the "flash off" was the least of your worries. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 18:15:17 2009 Received: (qmail 3895 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 17:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 17:15:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33D9E182A5 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:15:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF66AE240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12E419F964 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:15:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F0C19F959 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:15:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so209969bwz.30 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:15:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.20.79 with SMTP id e15mr3396857bkb.11.1257441309266; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:15:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4af1e7b2.0a1ad00a.2ffe.3b97@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:15:08 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e550d97ce8675200 Message-ID: <9f07ac840911050915o6e0ea318vf8c55a5b8f55fc89@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lightroom? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 18:15:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af30825303761006886880 But no raw conversion :-( On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Jez, Picasa does a reasonable job. The cataloguing is automatic and > there is iPhoto-like separation of groups by date or event. You use > Picasa online, but don't you use it on your desktop? > > I use a combination of Picasa and Aperture for my photos because I am > truly cr*ply organised ... :-) > > Chris > On 4 Nov 2009, at 20:42, Jez Cunningham wrote: > > > > > I'm gonna have a good look at pwp - but it's the organizing of those > > 15000+ images more than pixel-level editing I'm looking for. Is it > > any good at that? > > Jez > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 18:20:36 2009 Received: (qmail 32232 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 17:20:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 17:20:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0520BE18256 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7420EE240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6933F34AC02A for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22FA334AC024 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com (mail-gx0-f221.google.com [209.85.217.221]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so195738gxk.10 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:20:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.153.203 with SMTP id a11mr344981hbc.119.1257441629772; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:20:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <70E405B1-75E0-4FB8-959A-099F7699C833@mirko2.jazztel.es> References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> <15801779.16991257422043336.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <70E405B1-75E0-4FB8-959A-099F7699C833@mirko2.jazztel.es> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:20:29 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cf2fd09077ba6655 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] EP2: NO! NO! NO! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 18:20:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3096443612013633067 Strangely enough, I have more interest in the E-P1 than I do in the E-P2. Oh, well... So far, all the Micro FourThirds products have been snoozers for me. Not a single camera has arrived to the point of sufficiency yet. Will the real E-P2 please stand up? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 18:26:30 2009 Received: (qmail 27449 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 17:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 17:26:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DA7E182A9 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:26:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556B0E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CB334AC02A for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:26:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E0034AC028 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:26:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so254265ywh.22 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:26:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.161.69 with SMTP id g5mr313514hbd.161.1257441984398; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:26:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <000201ca5dfd$403b2f10$c0b18d30$@com.au> References: <380-22009114523630188@earthlink.net> <4AF28D45.9050409@chucknorcutt.com> <000201ca5dfd$403b2f10$c0b18d30$@com.au> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:26:24 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e875f01a8c3cab62 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] An observation at the book store X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 18:26:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af30ac6140367801554290 > > > Unfortunately, my opinion of E camera usability (derived solely from > > reading Oly manuals) doesn't support your hypothesis. > > I agree Chuck, the real reason is that us E users are so much smarter than > n*k*n/c*n*n users we don't need those books ! > The sole exception to this would be the E-1. It was simple enough (lacked enough features, inotherwords) that you could figure it out for the most part without too much of a sweat. I think the E-3's implemention of menus and basic file settings is among the worse designs I've ever seen. It is so bad that the intuitive stuff is unintuitive. It's a fine camera in most every other way, though. The E-P1's menu system takes unintuitiveness to another fine level. AG (aperture, speed, focus) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 18:31:31 2009 Received: (qmail 29772 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 17:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 17:31:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA885E181CC for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77041E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAB519FE62 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:31:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69ECA19FDFC for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:31:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so260017ywh.22 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:31:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.154 with SMTP id k26mr311879hbe.104.1257442283908; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:31:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0911050347j4abf6ff9p5a6c583c295623@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0911050347j4abf6ff9p5a6c583c295623@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:31:23 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e214c4b6caef9339 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] When Two Thousands People Join Hands and Dance the Spiral... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 18:31:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af30bf3180151234514069 Very rich tonalities. I like it. I'm also a great fan of wet printing B&W and then digitizing. The grain is greatly diminished this way and the tonalities are in a way that is nearly impossible to get in the digital darkroom. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 18:48:24 2009 Received: (qmail 19969 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 17:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 17:48:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5BCE181DE for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:48:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F021E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FABE19FECD for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:48:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4724D19FEC1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:48:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:48:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so78739gvf.21 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:48:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.138.12 with SMTP id n12mr335731hbn.69.1257443294871; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:48:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <000a01ca5dfe$7705ddf0$651199d0$@com.au> References: <4AF0180B.3673.73C3CD@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AF09F45.4090507@chucknorcutt.com> <20091104092846.22095xy8xrlyah8o@mail.webofnilsson.com> <000301ca5dfe$25e08d30$71a1a790$@com.au> <000a01ca5dfe$7705ddf0$651199d0$@com.au> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:48:14 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b484550809ef7502 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Indecent exposure X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 18:48:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af30fe8148709730998309 > > ...by the way, it is a lovely shot Ken ! > Thank you. Actually, I use the incident light meter quite frequently. When doing flash work, I nearly always use the meter, but when working in a mixed digital+film environment where I'm shooting print film (Fuji NPS or NPH), I set both the E-1 and the OM's to the same exposure with the incident light meter. Several years ago I sold the Gossen to George (conservative George from San Fransisco) so he could do moonlit shots of Yosemite and had purchased a Polaris flash/ambient digital meter. The reason why I use the incident light meter for mixed format shooting is that I totally lock in my midtones into lock-step. When photographing people in color, the most critical thing is to make sure that the midtones land exactly in the right spot. The dark/light areas of the image can blow out or block up, but if you don't get the midtones right, the image is trash. I take an incident reading in the subject's lighting, and dial this in to the cameras. A test shot with the digital will usually reveal a nearly perfect exposure with nice rich colors. Occasionally, I will have to bump the exposure based on wierd lighting angles, but once locked in, the resulting scans and digital camera files are essentially interchangeable without jumping through corrective hoops. In fact, with the E-1, I can shoot in-camera JPEGs that are a nearly perfect match to NPS and NPH. No whacky one-by-one adjustment on each and every image that RAW conversion with ETTR (expose to the right) demands. The E-1 is possibly the best "mid-tone" digital camera made in that the sensor and in-camera algorithms better match color print film than most. (The FF35mm Kodak 14n also was known for this too). Wintertime is a classic time to use incident light meters. Same with foggy days. Anytime you can't find a reliable midtone to meter off of. The meter goes with me nearly everywhere. Even with histograms, I find that I can usually get a better exposure using the handheld than I can without. Maybe, it's a little bit of gray-matter-time-allotment factor involved too. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 20:03:20 2009 Received: (qmail 3555 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 19:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 19:03:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62212E182A8 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:03:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1486CE240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D1B1A0016 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:03:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712F81A000A for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:03:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622D8C9748 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:35:06 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:03:09 +0000 Message-Id: References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] A button has been pushed X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 20:03:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af32178142991073733319 Congratulations, Ian. Let us see the pics, of course ... Chris On 5 Nov 2009, at 12:36, Ian Nichols wrote: > It seems that in the current economic climate my savings are earning > me pathetically little in interest, so I've decided to do my bit to > boost the economy by spending some of them. To that end, I visited > Bristol Cameras yesterday and asked them to get me a DZ 50-200 SWD. > They have a fairly good price on them atm, for a UK retailer at least, > plus Olympus are offering =A360 cashback until the end of Jan. Now I'll > just have to go take some pics to justify it ;) -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 21:03:12 2009 Received: (qmail 20279 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 20:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 20:03:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1111E18244 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0E3E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255721A0154 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:02:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8532E1A0149 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:02:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp01.jazztel.es (smtp01.jazztel.es [62.14.3.170]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:02:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [87.222.165.26] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by smtp01.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N68Xb-0002C1-0O for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:02:43 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: David Irisarri Vila In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:02:07 +0100 Message-Id: <28996266-0082-4C40-A7E1-90C3CF0B58D3@mirko2.jazztel.es> References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> <15801779.16991257422043336.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <70E405B1-75E0-4FB8-959A-099F7699C833@mirko2.jazztel.es> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 21:03:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af32f80268771234514069 Hi all, I have been having a look the whole evening to Lumix 20mm at dpreview, = Slrgear, Photozone, etc...and the lens performance is enough for me. = It has lateral chromatic aberrations that cannot be eliminated with E- = P1 but I suppose I can get rid of them with Olympus Studio. Distortion = is also corrected but I wonder if I can get rid of vignetting with = Olympus Studio. is it possible? I know Olympus lenses can correct this = issue with ZD lenses. I miss too much my Zuiko 50 f1.2 and a compact camera like E-P2. I also have read the lens Lumix 20mm autofocus is fast. I wonder how = it performs in E-P2. Did anybody try this lens in E-P1? I will use my FL-50 flash with E-P2 but I remember FL-50 AF assist = lamp didn=B4t work with E-P1. Ken ;) Do you know if Olympus has fixed = this issue? Dave -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 21:08:15 2009 Received: (qmail 2488 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 20:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 20:08:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0C9E182A0 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8D8E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69DA34AC026 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:08:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE4D3618004 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:08:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091105200809694.CCVL6968@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:08:09 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:08:09 -0500 References: <4AF36073.3713.19D59BF@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Sharpening digital images X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 21:08:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af330af180131234514069 Or use Photoshop's Bicubic Sharper (Best for Reduction) feature and don't worry about it. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Nov 5, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Best thing to do is to > actually apply a bit of blurring to the image prior to downsizing > and then > sharpening at the end. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 21:24:40 2009 Received: (qmail 6752 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 20:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 20:24:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D114E18148 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D3DE240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504AC1A01C4 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:24:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69A41A01BD for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:24:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.69]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 77343 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2009 20:24:34 -0000 Message-ID: <292140.77081.qm@web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Iy8ktswVM1lBItXoFWtW.sOGj_.Bk0UeMNmTF0_vMr7z_Vt5VtiPV3k7 Received: from [74.40.196.154] by web39808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:24:33 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:24:33 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0911050347j4abf6ff9p5a6c583c295623@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] When Two Thousands People Join Hands and Dance the Spiral... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 21:24:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af33488116339752976205 Great image. > > Printed in the wetroom and print scanned. A bit of abnormal > experience > for me as I have two neg scanners and normally would just > scan the > negative. But the wetroom B&W print has no bronzing > problem, nor block > up shadows... > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 21:46:55 2009 Received: (qmail 23873 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 20:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 20:46:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2252DE18236 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2389E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:46:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C36D34AC026 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:46:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D1234AC024 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:46:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alienspecimen@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 56071 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2009 20:46:45 -0000 Message-ID: <923031.55929.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Y3.J4qgVM1nhe0Ju8cCuS3VvJbiyqu3gnnG7jphqpCc7xMTsqxHKJDFldACU2nQfl295XF9.MJtwd.cREjaEG44ZtiEcFLqZPVHHYwXztQqUy1gUOvg6TQHRYt3mXxig3AAoRQzMW_acxlWRGPNvR2aqBSW.B4hcApHvTnFFbIoqld4j.mwEkOlf69m1OVHEDni4cGDCrmiFuK8jL0Hrx9uGjWPRWOiVxb1ja7IuSZqH0AA_.6ZaxpmFkWDyQxJyso3JOOz2yeDZHdV__2lFTgqB6CsXFlbLrHNDfJMzj5UrpYX5kY7DtQpTaWqlSqFSx8.CTlbmH_j0nZpMFJvwtnYmQFG9cdLS2N5xYP2mnJiBHWR4w_1UCs9gc7lMRqX.B4cn4u98mDuoERGyd3JFSiFRlHrRwA5gMvSE1v3R2KBm77Wxzpzo8Ui3MacVfF7eMEGe.u8nMXNKHNwx31z2PnLKqhHyhbvYpfPK9xyx8Y3JaUpNMYkN88AgsuvZkrs- Received: from [199.46.198.231] by web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:46:45 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:46:45 -0800 (PST) From: Willie Wonka To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] EP2: NO! NO! NO! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 21:46:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af339bf136152439112457 Oh c'mon...even the G1? =A0 Thants the closest thing to the A1(200). =A0 I admit that EP-1(2) looks extremely pretty in a showcase, but imho as a ca= mera is completely retarded. =A0 Boris = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 22:30:58 2009 Received: (qmail 10071 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 21:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 21:30:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5D5E182A0 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85D4E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F841A02C2 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:30:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332E41A02C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:30:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so150917gvf.21 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:30:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.130.160 with SMTP id 32mr377693hbj.58.1257456648212; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:30:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <923031.55929.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <923031.55929.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:30:48 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 06d4a5c107c86bd0 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] EP2: NO! NO! NO! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 22:30:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af34412288431612113968 > > Oh c'mon...even the G1? > Close, but the handgrip is that dorky too-small fake motordrive shape. I admit that EP-1(2) looks extremely pretty in a showcase, but imho as a > camera is completely retarded. > I do disagree. The E-P1 is very close to acceptable. There are a few design choices I have heartburn with, but for the right price I'd take it and buy a package of antacids. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 22:56:03 2009 Received: (qmail 22018 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 21:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 21:56:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79570E182A2 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD56E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:55:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55851A0333 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:55:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060F81A0334 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:55:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:55:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2677B46176B for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:23:18 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4AF36073.3713.19D59BF@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:55:54 +0000 Message-Id: <5672CC2A-80DB-41C1-93DB-BC8C20D148A4@threeshoes.net> References: <4AF36073.3713.19D59BF@bj.caverock.net.nz> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Sharpening digital images X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 22:56:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af349f3319681413256596 I think that most people do a bit of sharpening, Brian, whether it's a scan of film or a digital file from the start. But I do only a tiny bit, and only really as an afterthought, I suppose. Of course, it might be that Aperture has a minimal amount of sharpening set up for all RAW conversions but it's invisible to me. And the sharpening I do is only "Definition", not USM or Edge Sharpening. Chris On 5 Nov 2009, at 10:32, Brian Swale wrote: > A little while ago, somebody stated categorically that images from > digital > cameras do not need sharpening. Or that's how I remember it, anyhow. > > My experience is the opposite. I have so far only had Olympus digital > cameras, and of these only in the E series. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 23:03:38 2009 Received: (qmail 3671 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 22:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 22:03:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FA9E18148 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E287EE240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:03:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93A51A00F5 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:03:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868CB1A0212 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:03:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5576 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2009 21:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 21:57:15 -0000 Message-Id: <66330E92-75FC-43C6-9B92-DFAB2D22749D@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:03:22 +1100 References: <380-220091145133421177@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Daft X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 23:03:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af34bba307407801554290 No, not at all. Lovely, toothy girls... http://www.pbase.com/afildes/lea__mirella Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/11/2009, at 4:12 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> 'lesbian vampire" ? >> > > > I think the "flash off" was the least of your worries. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 23:08:32 2009 Received: (qmail 32321 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 22:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 22:08:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B29E18244 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:08:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDE8E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DB234AC029 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:08:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840CC34AC027 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:08:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so505148ewy.14 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:08:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.85 with SMTP id b63mr1104428wef.175.1257458905276; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:08:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <28996266-0082-4C40-A7E1-90C3CF0B58D3@mirko2.jazztel.es> References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> <15801779.16991257422043336.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <70E405B1-75E0-4FB8-959A-099F7699C833@mirko2.jazztel.es> <28996266-0082-4C40-A7E1-90C3CF0B58D3@mirko2.jazztel.es> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:08:25 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911051408i1b76a6c0jf76424e0f55e19c8@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 23:08:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af34ce0182031073733319 On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:02 PM, David Irisarri Vila wrote: > I also have read the lens Lumix 20mm autofocus is fast. I wonder how > it performs in E-P2. Did anybody try this lens in E-P1? David, Here's a guy who has posted some photos with that combination: http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/ This one in particular is quite outstanding: http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/4059180489/ Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 23:14:18 2009 Received: (qmail 12002 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 22:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 22:14:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0F3E181CF for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:14:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1931FE240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020EE34AC026 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:14:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBC434AC025 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:14:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (paganini14.register.it [81.88.48.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:14:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9536 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2009 22:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@83.40.198.146) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 5 Nov 2009 22:14:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <28996266-0082-4C40-A7E1-90C3CF0B58D3@mirko2.jazztel.es> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:14:06 +0100 Message-Id: <18C5D4C5-68CD-4951-8363-72B6AE0A6B0E@frozenlight.eu> References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> <15801779.16991257422043336.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <70E405B1-75E0-4FB8-959A-099F7699C833@mirko2.jazztel.es> <28996266-0082-4C40-A7E1-90C3CF0B58D3@mirko2.jazztel.es> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 23:14:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af34e3a144101879814018 On Nov 5, 2009, at 9:02 PM, David Irisarri Vila wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been having a look the whole evening to Lumix 20mm at dpreview, > Slrgear, Photozone, etc...and the lens performance is enough for me. Go and take some pictures instead, or watch some football. Much more productive ;-) Salu2, Nathan -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 23:21:03 2009 Received: (qmail 1929 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 22:21:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 22:21:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1A1E181D6 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD0BE240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22AC1A0392 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:20:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA131A038E for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:20:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:20:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1N6AhJ-0001p7-9e for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:20:53 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1N6AhI-0004t5-K7 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:20:52 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF34FC6.4070001@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:20:54 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> <15801779.16991257422043336.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <70E405B1-75E0-4FB8-959A-099F7699C833@mirko2.jazztel.es> <28996266-0082-4C40-A7E1-90C3CF0B58D3@mirko2.jazztel.es> <9e908c1f0911051408i1b76a6c0jf76424e0f55e19c8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0911051408i1b76a6c0jf76424e0f55e19c8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 23:21:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af34fcf271341234514069 Joel Wilcox wrote: > > > This one in particular is quite outstanding: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/4059180489/ > > Joel W. I doubt the mutt would agree... ;-) D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 23:40:19 2009 Received: (qmail 17934 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 22:40:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 22:40:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9B6E18247 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A125CE240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:40:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBEF1A03D6 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:40:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82F31A03D4 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:40:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so547686bwz.30 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:40:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.197.135 with SMTP id z7mr313730hbi.211.1257460811195; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:40:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF34FC6.4070001@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> <15801779.16991257422043336.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <70E405B1-75E0-4FB8-959A-099F7699C833@mirko2.jazztel.es> <28996266-0082-4C40-A7E1-90C3CF0B58D3@mirko2.jazztel.es> <9e908c1f0911051408i1b76a6c0jf76424e0f55e19c8@mail.gmail.com> <4AF34FC6.4070001@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:40:11 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 411f86b4af6625b4 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Nov 5 23:40:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af35453263921744846740 > > I doubt the mutt would agree... > An abomination. That's as bad a doberman with a pink bow. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Nov 5 23:40:42 2009 Received: (qmail 26208 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2009 22:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2009 22:40:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48FE4E18200 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAF7E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD67C1A03DB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:40:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578B31A03DF for ; 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Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:11:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so576551bwz.30 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:11:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.99 with SMTP id c35mr342010hbg.197.1257462682249; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:11:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8CC2C8019EA8C89-564C-18BAD@webmail-m004.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC2C8019EA8C89-564C-18BAD@webmail-m004.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:11:22 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f6fce798028ac722 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 00:11:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af35ba11261234514069 > > Mike (putting his Schnozz in the real Schnozz's business) Gordon > That's OK. I was refraining from sticking my schnozz out there too far. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 01:05:53 2009 Received: (qmail 2860 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 00:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 00:05:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2893CE182A2 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:05:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78136E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677DC1CD493 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:05:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C5D1CD48E for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:05:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so594170ewy.14 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:05:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.139 with SMTP id w11mr1122696wee.10.1257465944641; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:05:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> <15801779.16991257422043336.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <70E405B1-75E0-4FB8-959A-099F7699C833@mirko2.jazztel.es> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:05:44 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911051605s39fa0e84i54cbac3e1aeef68a@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] EP2: NO! NO! NO! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 01:05:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af36861244952439112457 On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > So far, all the Micro FourThirds products have been snoozers for me. Not a > single camera has arrived to the point of sufficiency yet. Hehehe. It must be wonderful not to be haunted by memory, Ken ... 8^0 I'm more charged up by the E-P2 in anticipation of a new m4/3 that integrates the EVF. Maybe bring back something reminiscent of the C-8080. And the 9-18 and 14-150 lenses are absolutely good additions at this stage in system development. Won't cause me to buy in, but will get other fathers' children on board and then we'll see where this thing is headed. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 02:26:22 2009 Received: (qmail 31694 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 01:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 01:26:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2932E1824C for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:26:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B88E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791281CD490 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:26:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BE11CD48A for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:26:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.68]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32799 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2009 01:26:16 -0000 Message-ID: <368086.32477.qm@web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: BJGDUv4VM1mk6f2MkriaiJB4kvobho9LA5byOYpK9XgfOy.XVKYUdPMEaMm.uA0rFvvcAw3gV1U2mYi2iwcr2.p6FeXD4cG.Kmd6heUm9yFRp_hhpDOH246dDavjn0Pft94Iq1oONcPPnfi9bClrYG5rZFDbBMgvLgLV8o2E_wVMmvmQ4qTX9wtF_6pNy4vxe0wLwJn7nLKw_muRGM546gTMEQ750g3CrJ70LkioM7Y6icNqhSNZTfhw3de9kL6vDjSoD7SNkwpE_NxAeT1ZYPdPhlJdYsua.XFBW5G_RzOeoY2t0IKVNyxL71Qs2.C7WR4ZbQbdvMhZScxC2kC7JC0.KiQBZeKEQH.KF8f0YQvMJVvP7XkhiU.8aoTF52feCakUnHr06o10v0vc2BJTMPCrZg1M Received: from [98.118.181.247] by web39807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:26:15 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:26:15 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0911051605s39fa0e84i54cbac3e1aeef68a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] EP2: NO! NO! NO! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 02:26:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af37b3e4071946193717 Don't hold your breath. I think Olympus is seeking to get the PS people rather than advanced users/pro's. This is how its going to be. > > > So far, all the Micro FourThirds products have been > snoozers for me. Not a > > single camera has arrived to the point of sufficiency > yet. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 03:47:12 2009 Received: (qmail 32427 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 02:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 02:47:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32C6E181A8 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:47:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9249CE240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D563610001 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:47:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E759C34AC024 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:47:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so713176bwz.30 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:47:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.125.18 with SMTP id c18mr1439721mun.71.1257475624575; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:47:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF2DFDA.6040808@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4AF36073.3713.19D59BF@bj.caverock.net.nz> <4AF2DFDA.6040808@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:47:04 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911051847p240f60d0gf215fbc969e327d7@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Sharpening digital images X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 03:47:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af38e30280675683411216 Thanks for that link, Chuck. Already bought "Real World Image Sharpening with Adobe Photoshop CS2: Industrial-Strength Production Techniques - By Bruce Fraser " - but too lazy lately to start reading it. Fernando. 2009/11/5 Chuck Norcutt : > I'm not sure who might have made such an erroneous statement since all > digital images do require sharpening (including those from a scanner). > In fact, when done properly, digital images should be sharpened twice. > The first sharpening is called "capture sharpening". =A0It is a light > sharpening and is independent of any planned use of the image. =A0This is > the type of sharpening done in Camera Raw. The next sharpening is called > "output sharpening" where the degree of sharpening is related to output > print size. =A0Such sharpening is obviously not done until a final image > is cropped and sized for a particular print size. =A0I'll leave the > discussion to this link > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 03:51:43 2009 Received: (qmail 9202 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 02:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 02:51:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDA9E1822D for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69045E240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233611CD490 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:51:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BFC1CD487 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:51:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091106025136.WKNO11342.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:51:36 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 1erc1d0084Z9Gks02erckK; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:51:36 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ur40MZUyAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=1FtRK8N-AAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=xI3fPHY5aqfueyRfr-EA:9 a=mYxXTv12YsvrKlKJ6YYA:7 a=NavRGVgDgm79Y0q0-lMNSrEbsyIA:4 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <9724DDF971874C47B168DEE9D4C8EC20@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <380-220091145133421177@earthlink.net> <66330E92-75FC-43C6-9B92-DFAB2D22749D@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:51:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Daft X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 03:51:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af38f3f107221357919056 "Lesbian Vampires" huh? Don't know how to tell by looking, I men neither was wearing plad shirts. Could have just been college girls just fooling around for the old guy. Good photos, attrractive models, regardless of preference. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Daft > No, not at all. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.51/2482 - Release Date: 11/05/09 07:37:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 04:09:04 2009 Received: (qmail 23140 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 03:09:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 03:09:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0797E181CF for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB071E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D081CD490 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:08:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095281CD499 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:08:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26020 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2009 03:08:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091105-2, 11/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Sharpening digital images X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 04:09:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af39350193271234514069 You already have the bible. You just need to read it. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Thanks for that link, Chuck. > > Already bought "Real World Image Sharpening with Adobe Photoshop CS2: > Industrial-Strength Production Techniques - By Bruce Fraser " - but > too lazy lately to start reading it. > > Fernando. > > 2009/11/5 Chuck Norcutt : >> I'm not sure who might have made such an erroneous statement since all >> digital images do require sharpening (including those from a scanner). >> In fact, when done properly, digital images should be sharpened twice. >> The first sharpening is called "capture sharpening". It is a light >> sharpening and is independent of any planned use of the image. This is >> the type of sharpening done in Camera Raw. The next sharpening is called >> "output sharpening" where the degree of sharpening is related to output >> print size. Such sharpening is obviously not done until a final image >> is cropped and sized for a particular print size. I'll leave the >> discussion to this link >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 06:08:09 2009 Received: (qmail 32123 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 05:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 05:08:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7565E182A9 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39DFE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:08:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD1D34AC024 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:08:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EC93610001 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:08:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgnzalez@chasque.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-133-193-62.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.133.193.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nA657oqD010444 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:07:51 -0200 Message-ID: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:07:57 -0200 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@chasque.net Subject: [OM] at the limits of my maths X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 06:08:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3af39254051234514069 And no, I'm not smiling. Perhaps because it's too late at night and I should be sleeping instead. I'm facing a resize problem, both using CS3 or SIPro2. .tif is at 4000 ppi, width 3,39 cm., height 2,28 cm. pixel dimensions: width 5341, height 3594. I'm required to resize it to with 120 cm. and 1024 pixels wide. Resolution must be no less than 80 ppi - stubbornly I had been insisting in 300 ppi. But cannot solve this at 80 either. TIA Fernando. ---------- yes, I should be sleeping since 3 hours ago. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 06:16:49 2009 Received: (qmail 25893 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 05:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 05:16:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF623E182A5 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C00E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:16:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563BB1CD48E for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:16:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6945A1CD48A for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:16:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from nathanfoto.com (unknown [66.155.105.194]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (146.Red-83-40-198.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [83.40.198.146]) (authenticated bits=0) by nathanfoto.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA63QNmI025853 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:26:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:16:38 +0100 Message-Id: References: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] at the limits of my maths X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 06:16:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3b14151881136683642 120 cm = 47.24 inches At that size, your resolution will be 5341/47.24 = 113.06 ppi, i.e. more than the 80 ppi you require. So what is keeping you awake? Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Nov 6, 2009, at 6:07 AM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > And no, I'm not smiling. > Perhaps because it's too late at night and I should be sleeping > instead. > I'm facing a resize problem, both using CS3 or SIPro2. > > .tif is at 4000 ppi, width 3,39 cm., height 2,28 cm. pixel dimensions: > width 5341, height 3594. > > I'm required to resize it to with 120 cm. and 1024 pixels wide. > > Resolution must be no less than 80 ppi - stubbornly I had been > insisting > in 300 ppi. > But cannot solve this at 80 either. > > TIA > > Fernando. > ---------- yes, I should be sleeping since 3 hours ago. > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 06:21:52 2009 Received: (qmail 7617 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 05:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 05:21:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7057E18148 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:21:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8D9E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:21:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79C234AC026 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:21:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF6D34AC024 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:21:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:21:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so779340bwz.30 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:21:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.99 with SMTP id c35mr370108hbg.197.1257484905113; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:21:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> References: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:21:45 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7ac5b25b86ea3100 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] at the limits of my maths X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 06:21:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3b270305491560218263 Fernando, this math is quite easy when you do it as two separate operations. 1. Resize the pixel count. 5341 width reduced to 1024. 2. Change pixel density to something between 72 and 300. This number is quite irrelevant. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 06:41:05 2009 Received: (qmail 20268 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 05:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 05:41:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D9CE18244 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:41:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B95E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:41:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA5D1CD490 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:41:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7381CD48A for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:40:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18586 invoked by uid 502); 6 Nov 2009 05:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.184.158) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2009 05:40:57 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF3B6E0.9060206@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:40:48 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> In-Reply-To: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> Subject: Re: [OM] at the limits of my maths X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 06:41:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3b6f19651258626592 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > And no, I'm not smiling. > Perhaps because it's too late at night and I should be sleeping instead. I'm facing a resize problem, both using CS3 or SIPro2. > > .tif is at 4000 ppi, width 3,39 cm., height 2,28 cm. pixel dimensions: width 5341, height 3594. > > I'm required to resize it to with 120 cm. and 1024 pixels wide. > > Resolution must be no less than 80 ppi - stubbornly I had been insisting in 300 ppi. > But cannot solve this at 80 either. > As presented, the problem cannot be solved. 120 cm = 47.24 in. 1024 pixels divided by 47.24 in. = 21.7 ppi. The specs are simply incompatible. Whoever has posed this problem to you has something wrong, or you have copied it wrong. There is no reason on earth to make such a request. PPI is meaningless except when printing. Even then, all printer drivers or RIPs are perfectly capable of correctly adjusting the pixels to match the desired printed image size, without any math or resampling on your part. The results will generally be more optimal than any resizing you do. Are you sure you aren't already asleep - and dreaming impossible problems? Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 07:27:47 2009 Received: (qmail 4584 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 06:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 06:27:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9117E182A3 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:27:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E88DE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0661E3610001 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:27:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B0E34AC025 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:27:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.108]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 62618 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2009 06:27:40 -0000 Message-ID: <939678.54369.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6hM_k8MVM1lQmLW.PTVrsiODSVjxe6kE20DRDC3ERWSpazNZloYjjPS.hHoLvMiQXLnV1QFVXKitm7DpiB4T0Y7mP8QC5UE2sW3I1NGYd741m1T17OtVFmp27cTAJKrhVMgDroCb9yyj_.qj0xi2CvuX4fKxzXBt9IzLvroUJlKZATAlOufXxPLfcAJPdH2AZWkr.h8JN3BNh5IylJn0pYO7MrCsO4TrHn0_oEnSJJ8NeOdLAokaMTp09WmRQYTgGjvTFerdLpdoPaTIuDMgw7dApUhZCAhGNzw5NMW9g.EgqFG2FGTUeeuFCba.YcjxWbp129_MjfXiMnyqii9K8alb5UzQ.NDuIYEfsDYQgqcEm3v_J6.eMW65OyImv6yV.dYo24njmNKodHNfCt4tczWd92oypuyBaR7K0Tu7LH9iYpXGv.XwpBnoEmpn40iJ.KruRInxt_3T4yFNG4kKTUo- Received: from [99.37.158.77] by web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:27:39 PST X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:27:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0911051408i1b76a6c0jf76424e0f55e19c8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 07:27:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3c1e383684877110844 Joel, =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 this pic from that collection is very much to the point: http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/3950976840/in/set-721576080182091= 60/ =A0 Entitled "why I use Olympus !" =A0 Tim Hughes --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Joel Wilcox wrote: From: Joel Wilcox Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 2:08 PM On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:02 PM, David Irisarri Vila wrote: > I also have read the lens Lumix 20mm autofocus is fast. I wonder how > it performs in E-P2. Did anybody try this lens in E-P1? David, Here's a guy who has posted some photos with that combination: http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/ This one in particular is quite outstanding: http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/4059180489/ Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 07:30:54 2009 Received: (qmail 7813 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 06:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 06:30:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E22E1824D for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9BBE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2293610001 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:30:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF9134AC025 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:30:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:30:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <12900079.17241257489856891.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 608 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:44:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0911051408i1b76a6c0jf76424e0f55e19c8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:30:43 +0200 References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> <15801779.16991257422043336.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <70E405B1-75E0-4FB8-959A-099F7699C833@mirko2.jazztel.es> <28996266-0082-4C40-A7E1-90C3CF0B58D3@mirko2.jazztel.es> <9e908c1f0911051408i1b76a6c0jf76424e0f55e19c8@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 07:30:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3c29e111761006886880 On 06 Nov 2009, at 12:08 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > This one in particular is quite outstanding: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/4059180489/ I have to disagree. As an image, it's quite cure, but it's technically terrible. It looks like a 100% crop form a small-sensor digicam to me, to be honest. Sorry, for ISO 400, it's really unusable, and somehow looks too "chunky." This is an ISO 800 image with no noise reduction made in about one sixteenth the light as the mutt shot, using 5-year old DSLR technology. http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs37/f/2008/259/2/9/Pathleadingtothehighgrass_by_philosomatographer.jpg (ISO 800, 1/15s, f/1.2) I am sorry, but I really would expect the E-P1/2 to at least compete with a 5-year old DSLR, never mind their claims that it offers "DSLR quality in a compact package". It's not even close. Not by a long shot. Both on lenses, as well as on the sensor front. It's simply not at all a serious camera. Whereas the original Pen F cameras were. They were serious about a lot of things back then, such as releasing an actual nice set of lenses with the body. D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 07:37:59 2009 Received: (qmail 20658 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 06:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 06:37:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE79FE18214 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C7CE240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0341CD481 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:37:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CE51CD48E for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:37:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:37:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8518681.17251257490283232.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 680 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:51:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:37:50 +0200 References: <7ac27f4f0911041036r9c12306id9fd4af91237b6b4@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911041037t6e43e3e6he3c8d4929877ba1f@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] "Way Beyond Monochrome," anyone has a copy? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 07:37:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3c447276616107113666 On 04 Nov 2009, at 8:37 PM, Richard Man wrote: > ...especially when it comes to split grade printing (yes, I know > it's a > controversial subject by itself). I have never quite understood why it's so controversial. I use it exclusively as my current technique, and I can fully admit that you can achieve exactly the same image with a single correctly-chosen contrast filter. What I have however never been able to do, is reliably nail the exposure / contrast without using any fancy darkroom light meters, using only two small tests strips, with single grade printing. I imagine if you are experienced enough, maybe you can, but I imagine it would take at least 4+ tries to guess the right contrast filter and exposure. With split-grade printing, I can, so in my case, it saves me a huge amount of paper. Dawid -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 07:44:06 2009 Received: (qmail 27944 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 06:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 06:44:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7179E181B1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:44:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54371E240CB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:44:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301401CD48A for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:44:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEFC1CD481 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:44:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:43:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so943420yxe.22 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:43:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.243.13 with SMTP id q13mr6999781ybh.167.1257489837979; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:43:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0911052030t473204e3v56e2acf939db01e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0911052030t473204e3v56e2acf939db01e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:43:57 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0911052243k23ec2851oaa02e9172f22ecbd@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG / Calligraphy experiment MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 07:44:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3c5b6228425368819438 It's a long pano (1100 pixel across) http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/spirit_of_the_placeV2.jpg The right hand side is chopped off since my flatbed scanner only does up to 11. The bottom is chopped off since I hand cut the 11x14 paper into pano strips and I missed... The flatbed scan is of course not as sharp as the neg scanned version: http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/20091026-129.jpg There is also a gray colorshift, as an artifact of print scanning. The Chinese calligraphy is done using a fountain pen. It's a Japanese pen so it's more flexible than normal with additional work done by nibs.com. The chop is directly ink on. So far, I like the combination! I think it adds some more personal touch. Hope you agree. -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 08:28:52 2009 Received: (qmail 32036 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 07:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 07:28:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07431E1819D for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B26CE240C1 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5CF34AC027 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:28:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FA034AC025 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:28:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so976321ywh.22 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:28:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.137.20 with SMTP id p20mr3710293ann.24.1257492524433; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:28:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <12900079.17241257489856891.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> <15801779.16991257422043336.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <70E405B1-75E0-4FB8-959A-099F7699C833@mirko2.jazztel.es> <28996266-0082-4C40-A7E1-90C3CF0B58D3@mirko2.jazztel.es> <9e908c1f0911051408i1b76a6c0jf76424e0f55e19c8@mail.gmail.com> <12900079.17241257489856891.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:28:44 +0100 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 08:28:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3d034161701879814018 > On 06 Nov 2009, at 12:08 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> This one in particular is quite outstanding: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/4059180489/ > > I have to disagree. As an image, it's quite cure, but it's technically > terrible. > It looks like a 100% crop form a small-sensor digicam to me, to be > honest. Sorry, for > ISO 400, it's really unusable, and somehow looks too "chunky." That is not to blame on the equipment, I'm sure, just over processed and tinkered with! > This is an ISO 800 image with no noise reduction made in about one > sixteenth the light > as the mutt shot, using 5-year old DSLR technology. > > http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs37/f/2008/259/2/9/Pathleadingtothehighgrass_by_philosomatographer.jpg > (ISO 800, 1/15s, f/1.2) Apples to oranges here, I can show even better ones with E-1 technology:) just kidding, but that is a thought of shot, the dog shot is probably just a lucky shot, don't blame the equipment when it is the operator or circumstances! > > I am sorry, but I really would expect the E-P1/2 to at least compete > with a 5-year old DSLR, never mind > their claims that it offers "DSLR quality in a compact package". It's > not even close. Not by a long shot. > Both on lenses, as well as on the sensor front. Agreed, however the sensor isn't that bad at all from my little experience a short while back, handling is a different beast > > It's simply not at all a serious camera. Whereas the original Pen F > cameras were. They were serious about > a lot of things back then, such as releasing an actual nice set of > lenses with the body. Can only agree with that, and the lenses weren't all that expensive either. BUT! there was only a set of these: 25f4, 38f1.8, 40f1.4, 100f3.5 and 150f4 and maybe the zoom released with the pen F, only with the arrival of the FT, a few years later, the system did grow to it's known size, a serious wide angle has always been lacking, with 28mm at the widest end. The quality of the first four lenses was rather good however! Iwert > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 09:05:46 2009 Received: (qmail 25633 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 08:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 08:05:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD3AE1819D for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94998E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0684B34AC026 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:05:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9860034AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:05:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.106]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 73373 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2009 08:05:35 -0000 Message-ID: <221493.72109.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: cMC8r0QVM1m.OvjPOMANa0pzVo90LyOw8TIwLJYtH4sEvqcl.wFV2PEVeTSakds7p6McJOtcoWd3VnVCM0v9y6vbYn1ragEqSo0fk2a_7PMI3N9l7BICstbWSjpu04W9GSYByix9UohE5p5y.7UhZBNwRV3qfMVfm7H5pd0nO8yf89iUKRPGX53jtFYtU1kLSLi4uu7e9e5hRjwZdJ_6sZaZVuUlEW7YOZCdpEV9kt2TzilhE3Cky8yBz9MwyjbGTJGRn2FUeBnMuFscqgwdHYpQ.t8vEJra82ELsZz5G9eaQrAHHMTRE00g36yk._Lw2Qh.z3rKfOw9Z1p8OkCU8RRpNCDYqJ_xT1rnCKma2sg0RJA6qv8cjW0z5e0Fxlby4uYT6irZLpWme_DWMw65W3VMOqj6wmdlnj3Bj_2g62fggvsQ9c8Ws5kSzZD.X80Q8fCAyU8K2lW8WZuQh86Jlw-- Received: from [99.37.158.77] by web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:05:34 PST X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:05:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6A717CE5-FD2F-4A5B-A57C-5997B89947E8@mirko2.jazztel.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 09:05:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3d8da286821879814018 =A0 David, = =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I think that Kodak saw the writing on the wall ver= y early, but had no idea about how to make a business out of the digital ca= mera market. They were absolutely=A0pioneers in developing the basic Digita= l camera technology.=A0=A0 Fairchild developed the basic=A0 CCD image senso= r in 1973 for industrial use, but Kodak built the very first=A0proto-type d= igital-camera in 1975, using a Fairchild sensor with 10k B&W pixels. =A0 Sony built the first real portable p/s "electronic camera"=A0in 1981 but it= was not a digital camera it recorded analog sensor signals, like video ana= log recording but a single frame. =A0 If you look at the very first pro-digital (SLR)=A0cameras (1.3Mpixel)=A0the= y were all Kodak cameras starting in 1991 and=A0built mainly on Nikon=A0bod= ies using=A0Kodak sensors.=A0=A0see details here :=A0=A0http://www.mir.com.= my/rb/photography/companies/Kodak/index.htm=A0 It took 8 years (1999) befor= e a major=A0camera vendor introduced an in house=A0DSLR=A0(Nikon D1, 2 Mpix= els) =A0 Kodak =A0developed a=A0huge amount of=A0early digital camera/sensor IP, mai= nly=A0on CCD technology.=A0This included the=A0Beyer sensor layout named af= ter the Kodak scientist who developed it, and which is used by all manufact= urers now,=A0except Foveon.=A0 Also consumer=A0things like Photo-cd. =A0Fai= rly early on=A0Sony,=A0 developed a lot of CCD IP too, particularly in very= fine pixel sensors=A0for=A0video cameras with built in electronic rolling = shutters etc. =A0 Recently=A0of course (2000 on),=A0Canon and others have=A0developed innovat= ive CMOS sensor technology=A0as well, but Kodak had actually seen=A0the wri= ting on the wall many years before , they just did not know how to transiti= on=A0from film and=A0create a new electronic camera mass market=A0business.= =A0 My guess is the company was split internally too, and had difficulty de= ciding to go whole hog and cannibalize the=A0old business. =A0 Tim Hughes =A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Wed, 11/4/09, David Irisarri Vila wrote: From: David Irisarri Vila Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 8:45 AM I still can remember when Kodak had to fire thousands of workers=A0 = because they simply thought digital market was not going to be so=A0 = successful. While Canon was manufacturing their CMOS sensors, KODAK=A0 = was still thinking about film halide. Obviously something very similar is happening again. DSLR market is=A0 = changing again very harshly. It seems mirrorless cameras will be very=A0 = successful and compact cameras will disappear. One point for Olympus,=A0 = they are aware of market movements. Kodak is losing market very fast with their Easyshare compact cameras.=A0 = On the other hand Nikon, Canon, Samsung, etc... are preparing their=A0 = attack against micro fourthirds. Kodak must jump to micro fourthirds=A0 = to survive. I am pretty sure they have a new fourthirds sensor=A0 = prepared. Maybe E-P2 won=B4t take a Kodak sensor but Kodak is round the=A0 = corner for sure. We=B4ll see again micro/fourthirds cameras with Kodak=A0 = sensors for sure. Dave El 04/11/2009, a las 16:47, iwert bernakiewicz escribi=F3: > Hello David, > > I think you'll be in for a big disappointment. Maybe in the next=A0 = > model, > but I doubt superior performance unless new lenses are announced, > multispot, probably long forgotten, kodak, who's kodak?, and for the > digital viewfinder: these diamonts are way to complicated for > point and shooters, so we have no point... I hope there is some=A0 = > information > in the finder at all! > > Iwert > > ps: YM is in a way better place now probaly, so all this earthly=A0 = > hassle > doesn't interest him anymore :) > > 2009/11/4 David Irisarri Vila : >> Hey guys!!!! >> >> I am terribly anxious :) >> >> The concept behind PEN system is the same one inspired the Olympus OM >> System. Precision engineering for compactness and superior=A0 = >> performance >> to handle any situation. >> >> Will E-P2 be the first one to bring back the legendary OM4 multispot >> metering? >> >> Will E-P2 take again a KODAK imaging sensor for ultra high dynamic >> range and stunning color rendition? >> >> Will we able to see through the new VF-2 those lovely diamonds to see >> the relative EV values through a 1.15X 100% viewfinder? Ansel Adams >> zone system is back! >> >> Will we able to see the new replacement of Zuiko 50/1.4 MC lens? I >> hope so :) >> >> Let=B4s cross fingers :) The perfect camera is round the corner !!! >> >> Dave >> >> VIVA Yoshihisa Maitani !!! Your legacy will be continued. >> > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 09:37:09 2009 Received: (qmail 17772 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 08:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 08:37:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45FCE182AA for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82691E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:36:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E413610001 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:36:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB54834AC027 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:36:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:36:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32048 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2009 08:36:33 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2009 08:36:33 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF3E010.1090902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:36:32 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> <4AF3B6E0.9060206@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF3B6E0.9060206@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091106-0, 11/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] at the limits of my maths X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 09:37:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3e0354301220213263 What Moose said. You cannot be given a size (like 120 cm) and a pixel dimension (like 1024) and also given a resolution value (like 80 ppi) since the first two determine the third. If the size is 120 cm and the pixel count is 1024 then the pixels per inch is already known at 21.7 ppi (per Moose's calculation below). Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> And no, I'm not smiling. >> Perhaps because it's too late at night and I should be sleeping instead. I'm facing a resize problem, both using CS3 or SIPro2. >> >> .tif is at 4000 ppi, width 3,39 cm., height 2,28 cm. pixel dimensions: width 5341, height 3594. >> >> I'm required to resize it to with 120 cm. and 1024 pixels wide. >> >> Resolution must be no less than 80 ppi - stubbornly I had been insisting in 300 ppi. >> But cannot solve this at 80 either. >> > > As presented, the problem cannot be solved. 120 cm = 47.24 in. 1024 > pixels divided by 47.24 in. = 21.7 ppi. The specs are simply incompatible. > > Whoever has posed this problem to you has something wrong, or you have > copied it wrong. There is no reason on earth to make such a request. > > PPI is meaningless except when printing. Even then, all printer drivers > or RIPs are perfectly capable of correctly adjusting the pixels to match > the desired printed image size, without any math or resampling on your > part. The results will generally be more optimal than any resizing you do. > > Are you sure you aren't already asleep - and dreaming impossible problems? > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 09:53:18 2009 Received: (qmail 15702 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 08:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 08:53:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096B5E182A3 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8756E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:53:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A3719DA79 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:53:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A4519DA76 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:53:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:53:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11060 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2009 08:53:10 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091106-0, 11/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 09:53:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3e3fe213521006886880 Olympus E-3 - 800g Canon EOS 7D - 820g Canon EOS 5D - 810g Olympus 35-100mm f/2.0 - 1650g (w/o tripod ring) Canon 70-200/2.8 L IS - 1452g (w/o tripod ring) Got any better reasons? Chuck Norcutt Tim Hughes wrote: > Joel, > this pic from that collection is very much to the point: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/3950976840/in/set-72157608018209160/ > > Entitled "why I use Olympus !" > > Tim Hughes > > --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Joel Wilcox wrote: > > > From: Joel Wilcox > Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 2:08 PM > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:02 PM, David Irisarri Vila > wrote: >> I also have read the lens Lumix 20mm autofocus is fast. I wonder how >> it performs in E-P2. Did anybody try this lens in E-P1? > > David, > Here's a guy who has posted some photos with that combination: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/ > > This one in particular is quite outstanding: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/4059180489/ > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 10:43:30 2009 Received: (qmail 7444 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 09:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 09:43:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FB4E18229 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 01:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E100E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 01:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE4919DCB3 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 01:43:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C3019DCB2 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 01:43:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 01:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so939914bwz.30 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:43:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.3.19 with SMTP id 19mr4231463bkl.151.1257500602412; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:43:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <221493.72109.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6A717CE5-FD2F-4A5B-A57C-5997B89947E8@mirko2.jazztel.es> <221493.72109.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:43:22 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 933e6598b3ff76fb Message-ID: <9f07ac840911060143h5b85ab7chfb5b3381d4413414@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 10:43:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3efc2200484877110844 Don't forget the invention of the CCD in Bell Labs - 2 guys just got the Nobel prize for it. Jez On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Tim Hughes wrote: > > > David, > I think that Kodak saw the writing on the wall very early, but had > no idea about how to make a business out of the digital camera market. They > were absolutely pioneers in developing the basic Digital camera > technology. Fairchild developed the basic CCD image sensor in 1973 for > industrial use, but Kodak built the very first proto-type digital-camera in > 1975, using a Fairchild sensor with 10k B&W pixels. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 10:53:13 2009 Received: (qmail 23801 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 09:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 09:53:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B503E18256 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 01:53:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C956DE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 01:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8190134AC026 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 01:53:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC70034AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 01:53:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 01:53:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so948963bwz.30 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:53:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.11.18 with SMTP id r18mr4403619bkr.15.1257501185251; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:53:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <939678.54369.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9e908c1f0911051408i1b76a6c0jf76424e0f55e19c8@mail.gmail.com> <939678.54369.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:53:05 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: aefdfad4f64dfcc6 Message-ID: <9f07ac840911060153t6c1b752fw8f18a833148670b2@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 10:53:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3f209273921413256596 So is the guy on the left a film user with his consumables, or the assistant with the spare batteries? Jez On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Tim Hughes wrote: > Joel, > this pic from that collection is very much to the point: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/3950976840/in/set-72157608018209160/ > > Entitled "why I use Olympus !" > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 11:14:08 2009 Received: (qmail 31363 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 10:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 10:14:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A5DE181CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61D1E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5173819DD5D for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:14:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C45119DD56 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:14:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:14:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1235446.17451257503251617.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 932 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:27:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4af1ec2d.0a1ad00a.3274.7825@mx.google.com> X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:40:40 +0200 References: <4af1ec2d.0a1ad00a.3274.7825@mx.google.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 11:14:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3f6f0302232439112457 Hah! What a picture... An E-P1 stuck to the back of a 250/2.0. Hmm, I wonder if I should complain to Olympus of the camera body strap(s) break when I sling it around my neck :-) Then again, a "naked" OM body (no motor drive, etc) must also look pretty ridiculous stuck to the back of the big 250/2.0. On 04 Nov 2009, at 11:01 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > Ah, that's why Dawid wants the 250/2 ! > Jez > > Sent from my Nokia phone > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Norton > Sent: 04/11/2009 22:02:01 > Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow > > Stick a big honkin lens on it and the viewfinder is tiny. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 11:20:34 2009 Received: (qmail 30503 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 10:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 10:20:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0A1E1819D for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182B7E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E106B19DD77 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:20:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBBA19DD76 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:20:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:53234 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N6Lvf-0007G1-Jq for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:20:27 -0600 Message-ID: <4AF3F864.2090105@picturepedia.org> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:20:20 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <4af1ec2d.0a1ad00a.3274.7825@mx.google.com> <1235446.17451257503251617.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <1235446.17451257503251617.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 11:20:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3f872265621357919056 I Know the 250/2 is MUCH bigger but here is what the 180/2 look like with an OM body, yep I know I have posted this before but that lens cost me a fortune (though much less than its the 18,000 Swiss franc list price) and I need to get some value from it ;-) IanW > Then again, a "naked" OM body (no motor drive, etc) must also look > pretty ridiculous stuck to the back of the big 250/2.0. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 11:24:54 2009 Received: (qmail 24273 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 10:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 10:24:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB935E181B1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43644E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2554919DD8B for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:24:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF7919DCC3 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:24:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so1093848ywh.22 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:24:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.100.4 with SMTP id x4mr7413652ybb.120.1257503086346; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:24:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF3F864.2090105@picturepedia.org> References: <4af1ec2d.0a1ad00a.3274.7825@mx.google.com> <1235446.17451257503251617.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4AF3F864.2090105@picturepedia.org> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:24:46 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0911060224q4e21c0d6m6e418df2a0ef6266@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 11:24:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3f976116181357919056 I bet it's smaller than the 35-100 :-) On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:20 AM, SwissPace wrote: > I Know the 250/2 is MUCH bigger but here is what the 180/2 look like > with an OM body, =A0yep I know I have posted this before but that lens > cost me a fortune (though much less than its the 18,000 Swiss franc list > price) and I need to get some value from it ;-) > > > > IanW > -- = // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 11:25:58 2009 Received: (qmail 845 invoked by uid 0); 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 11:25:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3f9b685761413256596 Sorry - that was a bit of a blunt statement. I do use Picasa - as a way to do a one-click upload to the web library. Yes, it will allow me to edit raw files but I can only save as jpeg so it's not really a non-destructive raw conversion. br jez On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > But no raw conversion :-( > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 11:33:02 2009 Received: (qmail 18279 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 10:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 10:33:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E8EE18277 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C2EE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E54334AC027 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:32:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E46734AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:32:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25990 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2009 10:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 10:26:39 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9724DDF971874C47B168DEE9D4C8EC20@SueHome> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:32:53 +1100 References: <380-220091145133421177@earthlink.net> <66330E92-75FC-43C6-9B92-DFAB2D22749D@people.net.au> <9724DDF971874C47B168DEE9D4C8EC20@SueHome> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Daft X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 11:33:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3fb5e11601006886880 Haven't you worked it out yet - you can't tell by looking?! They aren't anyway - just a couple of playful girls - ex-students of mine and very good, fun company. Thanks for looking. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 06/11/2009, at 1:51 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > "Lesbian Vampires" huh? Don't know how to tell by looking, I men > neither was > wearing plad shirts. Could have just been college girls just fooling > around > for the old guy. > > Good photos, attrractive models, regardless of preference. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 11:39:23 2009 Received: (qmail 21855 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 10:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 10:39:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C828E182AA for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:39:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC9CE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:39:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E4A3610001 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:39:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BA434AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:39:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ogreve@millennics.com whitelisted) Received: from smtp-4.concepts.nl (smtp-4.concepts.nl [213.197.30.111]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from 5571fca3.ftth.concepts.nl ([85.113.252.163] helo=[192.168.1.106]) by smtp-4.concepts.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N6MDo-00058E-3u for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:39:12 +0100 Message-Id: <47F692C2-63F4-4607-81CF-7B3578945E90@millennics.com> From: Olaf Greve To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:39:06 +0100 References: <9F7908D441BC4630BAF3FB73C801446E@your9ya3hf92n3> <2CA6FD81-5D07-4167-BD38-06A49BBB5364@millennics.com><499BFD9E.4030008@chucknorcutt.com><499C0030.7020504@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Concepts-MailScanner-Information: Please contact abuse@concepts.nl for more information X-Concepts-MailScanner-ID: 1N6MDo-00058E-3u X-Concepts-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Concepts-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Concepts-MailScanner-From: ogreve@millennics.com Subject: [OM] TOPE 40: end of shooting interval, time to send in entries X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 11:39:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3fcdb44019752976205 Hi guys, Wow, how time flies... I had totally forgotten to announce the end of the TOPE 40 shooting interval (originally planned to end around October 21st), and for that reason, I shall let it end at about the end of this weekend. So... if you haven't yet gotten a suitable picture, you still have a few days. :) Then, I did receive some 2 submissions by now, and when you guys are done taking pictures and processing them, they can be sent my way. The go-live date for TOPE 40 will be on (or around) Wednesday, November 18th. Alrighty, go out into the woods, get some good shots if you haven't done so already, and please send them my way! :) Cheers, Olafo Main page: http://www.tope.nl Direct link to the complete TOPE Events calendar: http://www.tope.nl/events.php -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 11:49:26 2009 Received: (qmail 18578 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 10:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 10:49:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45037E181A3 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16B9E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:49:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECEB19DE92 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:49:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E14819DE74 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:49:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.jazztel.es (smtp02.jazztel.es [62.14.3.171]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.16.58] (helo=webmail1.jazznet.es) by smtp02.jazztel.es with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N6MN0-000547-Br for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:48:42 +0100 Received: from 9.208.165.83.static.mundo-r.com (9.208.165.83.static.mundo-r.com [83.165.208.9]) by webmail.jazznet.es (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:43:47 +0100 Message-ID: <20091106114347.fvo0bvqitc4ooocg@webmail.jazznet.es> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:43:47 +0100 From: David Irisarri To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <221493.72109.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <221493.72109.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Originating-IP: 83.165.208.9 X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: =?iso-8859-1?b?VmVyc2nDs24=?= en texto del mensaje X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 11:49:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af3ff3614011342116753 Hi Tim, Definitely I agree with you. When I said "they simply thought digital = market was not going to be so successful" I tried to say they were = stuck in the past and when you have written "My guess is the company = was split internally too, and had difficulty deciding to go whole hog = and cannibalize the=A0old business", IMHO you have described it = perfectly! We have seen many times a long the history how huge = corporations can stall harshly in a very short period of time. = Obviously something doesn=B4t work inside KODAK. Let=B4s see if they can = keep the flagship floating.=A0 Regards, Dave Tim Hughes ha escrito: > > =A0 > David, > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I think that Kodak saw the writing on the wall v= ery early,=A0 = > but had no idea about how to make a business out of the digital=A0 = > camera market. They were absolutely=A0pioneers in developing the = > basic=A0 Digital camera technology.=A0=A0 Fairchild developed the basic= =A0 = > CCD=A0 image sensor in 1973 for industrial use, but Kodak built the = > very=A0 first=A0proto-type digital-camera in 1975, using a Fairchild = > sensor=A0 with 10k B&W pixels. > =A0 > Sony built the first real portable p/s "electronic camera"=A0in 1981=A0 = > but it was not a digital camera it recorded analog sensor signals,=A0 = > like video analog recording but a single frame. > =A0 > If you look at the very first pro-digital (SLR)=A0cameras=A0 = > (1.3Mpixel)=A0they were all Kodak cameras starting in 1991 and=A0built=A0= = > mainly on Nikon=A0bodies using=A0Kodak sensors.=A0=A0see details here=A0 = > :=A0=A0http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/Kodak/index.htm=A0= =A0 = > It took 8 years (1999) before a major=A0camera vendor introduced an = > in=A0 house=A0DSLR=A0(Nikon D1, 2 Mpixels) > =A0 > Kodak =A0developed a=A0huge amount of=A0early digital camera/sensor IP,= =A0 = > mainly=A0on CCD technology.=A0This included the=A0Beyer sensor layout=A0 = > named after the Kodak scientist who developed it, and which is used=A0 = > by all manufacturers now,=A0except Foveon.=A0 Also consumer=A0things like= =A0 = > Photo-cd. =A0Fairly early on=A0Sony,=A0 developed a lot of CCD IP too,=A0= = > particularly in very fine pixel sensors=A0for=A0video cameras with = > built=A0 in electronic rolling shutters etc. > =A0 > Recently=A0of course (2000 on),=A0Canon and others have=A0developed=A0 = > innovative CMOS sensor technology=A0as well, but Kodak had actually=A0 = > seen=A0the writing on the wall many years before , they just did not=A0 = > know how to transition=A0from film and=A0create a new electronic camera= =A0 = > mass market=A0business.=A0 My guess is the company was split internally= =A0 = > too, and had difficulty deciding to go whole hog and cannibalize=A0 = > the=A0old business. > =A0 > Tim Hughes > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > > --- On Wed, 11/4/09, David Irisarri Vila wrot= e: > > > From: David Irisarri Vila > Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 8:45 AM > > > I still can remember when Kodak had to fire thousands of workers=A0 > because they simply thought digital market was not going to be so=A0 > successful. While Canon was manufacturing their CMOS sensors, KODAK=A0 > was still thinking about film halide. > > Obviously something very similar is happening again. DSLR market is=A0 > changing again very harshly. It seems mirrorless cameras will be very=A0 > successful and compact cameras will disappear. One point for Olympus,=A0 > they are aware of market movements. > > Kodak is losing market very fast with their Easyshare compact cameras.=A0 > On the other hand Nikon, Canon, Samsung, etc... are preparing their=A0 > attack against micro fourthirds. Kodak must jump to micro fourthirds=A0 > to survive. I am pretty sure they have a new fourthirds sensor=A0 > prepared. Maybe E-P2 won=B4t take a Kodak sensor but Kodak is round the= =A0 > corner for sure. We=B4ll see again micro/fourthirds cameras with Kodak=A0 > sensors for sure. > > Dave > > > El 04/11/2009, a las 16:47, iwert bernakiewicz escribi=F3: > >> Hello David, >> >> I think you'll be in for a big disappointment. Maybe in the next=A0 >> model, >> but I doubt superior performance unless new lenses are announced, >> multispot, probably long forgotten, kodak, who's kodak?, and for the >> digital viewfinder: these diamonts are way to complicated for >> point and shooters, so we have no point... I hope there is some=A0 >> information >> in the finder at all! >> >> Iwert >> >> ps: YM is in a way better place now probaly, so all this earthly=A0 >> hassle >> doesn't interest him anymore :) >> >> 2009/11/4 David Irisarri Vila : >>> Hey guys!!!! >>> >>> I am terribly anxious :) >>> >>> The concept behind PEN system is the same one inspired the Olympus OM >>> System. Precision engineering for compactness and superior=A0 >>> performance >>> to handle any situation. >>> >>> Will E-P2 be the first one to bring back the legendary OM4 multispot >>> metering? >>> >>> Will E-P2 take again a KODAK imaging sensor for ultra high dynamic >>> range and stunning color rendition? >>> >>> Will we able to see through the new VF-2 those lovely diamonds to see >>> the relative EV values through a 1.15X 100% viewfinder? Ansel Adams >>> zone system is back! >>> >>> Will we able to see the new replacement of Zuiko 50/1.4 MC lens? I >>> hope so :) >>> >>> Let=B4s cross fingers :) The perfect camera is round the corner !!! >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> VIVA Yoshihisa Maitani !!! Your legacy will be continued. >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2007 Jazztel - Jazz Telecom, S.A.U. http://www.jazztel.com Antes de imprimir este e-mail piense bien si es necesario hacerlo. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 12:03:31 2009 Received: (qmail 12429 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 11:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 11:03:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157E9E181AE for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:03:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E7BE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:03:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B828034AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:03:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE0034AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:03:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.jazztel.es (smtp02.jazztel.es [62.14.3.171]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:03:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.16.58] (helo=webmail1.jazznet.es) by smtp02.jazztel.es with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N6Maj-0007EV-CN for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:02:53 +0100 Received: from 9.208.165.83.static.mundo-r.com (9.208.165.83.static.mundo-r.com [83.165.208.9]) by webmail.jazznet.es (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:57:58 +0100 Message-ID: <20091106115758.4cguu4fc6osocwsg@webmail.jazznet.es> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:57:58 +0100 From: David Irisarri To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <9e908c1f0911051408i1b76a6c0jf76424e0f55e19c8@mail.gmail.com> <939678.54369.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f07ac840911060153t6c1b752fw8f18a833148670b2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911060153t6c1b752fw8f18a833148670b2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Originating-IP: 83.165.208.9 X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: =?iso-8859-1?b?VmVyc2nDs24=?= en texto del mensaje X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 12:03:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af40283211951612113968 Joel, thanks a lot for the links. I also would like to share with all of you some interesting links I liked. These pictures were taken by Brian Mosley. Certainly Panasonic 20mm pancake lens is razor sharp. Even wide open is sharper than Olympus 17mm at 2.8!!! Here is an interesting gallery from him: http://www.pbase.com/bmosley/e-p1 Hope you like it. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2007 Jazztel - Jazz Telecom, S.A.U. http://www.jazztel.com Antes de imprimir este e-mail piense bien si es necesario hacerlo. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 12:20:58 2009 Received: (qmail 8705 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 11:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 11:20:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46955E18255 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B59DE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F54F19DF8C for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:20:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8590E19DF8B for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:20:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.13]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:20:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2214.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0C1B370000AC; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:20:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2214.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8620470000A5; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:20:57 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091106112057549.8620470000A5@msfrf2214.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:22:06 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: liste leica reflex , Leica Users Group , Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 12:20:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4069a177591234514069 Two versions of the same; can't make my mind about which, both probably best viewed large. Slow connection users beware ! http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/FF-Halloween+-1130962.jpg.html C&C welcome as usual. Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 12:35:38 2009 Received: (qmail 4440 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 11:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 11:35:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37F1E18228 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4C7E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8C534AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:35:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DB13610001 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:35:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nA6BZR1g010782 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:35:27 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA6BZRqm027932 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:35:27 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:34:56 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 12:35:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af40a09128021357919056 I prefer the first image, I believe it is more close to the original mood? C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippe Amard" > Two versions of the same; can't make my mind about which, both probably > best viewed large. > Slow connection users beware ! > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/FF-Halloween+-1130962.jpg.html > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 13:21:30 2009 Received: (qmail 11197 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 12:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 12:21:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808CBE182B7 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:21:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716BDE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D51234AC02A for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:21:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B5634AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:21:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr (smtp23.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.22]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2314.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DD2137000095 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:21:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2314.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B146F7000085 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:21:20 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091106122120726.B146F7000085@msfrf2314.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF414D7.2040905@sfr.fr> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:21:43 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... C.H . X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 13:21:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af414ca175441006886880 C.H.Ling wrote: >I prefer the first image, I believe it is more close to the original mood? > > Absolutely - hence my hesitation ... Thanks for viewing Phx -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 13:28:21 2009 Received: (qmail 9399 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 12:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 12:28:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47329E182AD for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F49E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB3034AC027 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:28:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0428F34AC024 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:28:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:28:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so1096202bwz.30 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:28:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.126.7 with SMTP id d7mr1642186mun.115.1257510493710; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:28:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> References: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:28:13 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911060428n6f6f5af8id0a0953e7a1eeb5c@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] at the limits of my maths X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 13:28:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4166549432439112457 Still not completely awake. :-( *_Wrote an error_*: required size in centimeters is 110 cm =3D 43.307086614173228346456692913386 inches (or 43,303333333333333333333333333349 as Nathan, Moose, Ken, Chuck rounded up, corrected from 120 to 110 cm.). Am I right so far? I'm pasting the requirements in Spanish, then I'll feed Google Translator. I was working on the 16bit .tif, still not considering the 1MB requirement - same as resolution, that's not an issue. Problem is that I cannot resize it to meet both 1024 px. _and_ 110 cm before downsampling to .jpg If specs cannot be met, that would be funny because requirements are established by one of the most important Banks in Europe. :-) :-) :-) I'm never sure if I'm dreaming or not, but we can discuss this later. Serio= usly. Just in case, I'm pasting as said: "Cada foto debe estar en formato .jpg, no pesar m=E1s de 1 MB y no medir m=E1s de 1024 px en su lado m=E1s grande. MUY IMPORTANTE: deber=E1 tener calidad suficiente para su impresi=F3n. Para ello, es imprescindible que cumpla los siguientes requisitos t=E9cnicos: una calidad m=EDnima de 80 d.p.i. a un tama=F1o de 110 cm en su lado m=E1s grande. Todas aquellas fotograf=EDas que no cumplan este requisito podr=E1n ser rechazadas por la organizaci=F3n." And as Google translates: =B7"Each photo should be in. Jpg, although not more than 1 MB and not measure more than 1024 px on its largest side. VERY IMPORTANT: It must have sufficient quality for printing. It is therefore imperative that meets the following technical requirements: a minimum quality of 80 dpi to a size of 110 cm at its largest side. All those pictures that do not meet this requirement may be rejected by the organization." TIA Fernando. 2009/11/6 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile : > And no, I'm not smiling. > Perhaps because it's too late at night and I should be sleeping instead. > I'm facing a resize problem, both using CS3 or SIPro2. > > .tif is at 4000 ppi, width 3,39 cm., height 2,28 cm. pixel dimensions: > width 5341, height 3594. > > I'm required to resize it to with 120 cm. and 1024 pixels wide. > > Resolution must be no less than 80 ppi - stubbornly I had been insisting > in 300 ppi. > But cannot solve this at 80 either. > > TIA > > Fernando. > ---------- yes, I should be sleeping since 3 hours ago. > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 13:44:20 2009 Received: (qmail 26026 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 12:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 12:44:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF9DE181DE for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BDAE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0A434AC026 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:44:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549D934AC027 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:44:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so168478fga.8 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:44:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.156 with SMTP id t28mr443591hbt.33.1257511451871; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:44:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:44:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lighttable, was: Return of the bionic man X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 13:44:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af41a24156521136683642 Hi Jez, Chuck and all, From: Jez Cunningham >"and now the EU is banning incandescent bulbs" - a slight exaggeration - but >it sure gets up my nose anyway :-( See and click on the 'EU directive' tab. From: Chuck Norcutt >What about LEDs as a light source? I think few could afford the likes >of this but it shows the advantages: low power requirement, little heat, >completely dimmable and color temperature just dials in. < http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/653087-REG/Zylight_26_01013_IS3_LED_Light_Kit.html#features > Well, this one is a high end solution, quite expensive... It seems to have red, green and blue LEDs automatically balanced to get such a broad range of temeperatures -- or, more accurrately, the equivalent tristimulous, which is _not_ the same thing in every situation. "White" LEDs are an awkward thing -- they're really _blue_ LEDs with a yellow phosphor... the combined emissions give a whitish light to the eye, and the spectrum is continuous... although far away from "uniform", with a large peak around the blue wavelengths. They are a well known source of metamerism problems, but still are way better than (most) CFLs for a lighttable, according to my experience. >Where will LEDs be in 5 years? Who knows! I remember when _blue_ LEDs were simply NOT AVAILABLE... From: Jez Cunningham >There are quite a lot of LEDs appearing in domestic light bulbs now, and >they have the advantage in being a bit more environmentally friendly that >CFLs (if you're of that persuasion). CFLs have another (related) problem with short-cycle usage, e.g. bathroom lighting -- their life could be reduced to as little as 20% of their long-cycle estimation, ruining both economy and environmental advantages :-( LEDs seem to be the future, but they're still too expensive for domestic lighting. >But for me the good ol' incandescent >still reigns - albeit progressively migrating from 'tungsten' to 'halogen'. >jez Sure! I'm getting some Philips halogen with standard E27 mount -- even at a EU-directive-waiving 105W (150W equivalent!!!!) Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 13:45:44 2009 Received: (qmail 30169 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 12:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 12:45:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5BFE182AE for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:45:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E77E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:45:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC0B19E35F for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:45:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E844019E34D for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:45:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (montsnmags@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com (mail-gx0-f221.google.com [209.85.217.221]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so1158572gxk.10 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:45:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.28.9 with SMTP id f9mr9233177agj.89.1257511532272; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:45:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6f8422750911060428n6f6f5af8id0a0953e7a1eeb5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> <6f8422750911060428n6f6f5af8id0a0953e7a1eeb5c@mail.gmail.com> From: Marc Lawrence Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:45:12 +1000 Message-ID: To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] at the limits of my maths X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 13:45:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af41a78266635034211378 2009/11/6 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile : > ... > =B7"Each photo should be in. Jpg, although not more than 1 MB and not > measure more than 1024 px on its largest side. > > VERY IMPORTANT: It must have sufficient quality for printing. It is > therefore imperative that meets the following technical requirements: > a minimum quality of 80 dpi to a size of 110 cm at its largest side. > All those pictures that do not meet this requirement may be rejected > by the organization." Fernando, is it possibly a confusion regarding two different things. That is, is it that whoever specified these requirements wants you to submit/email the images to them according to the specifications in the first paragraph above (sufficient for on-screen review?), but that the original file (before it was resized for sending) should meet the second paragraph's specifications should they later wish/need to print it? Cheers, Marc -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 14:12:28 2009 Received: (qmail 28520 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 13:12:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 13:12:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D21E182A9 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F76CE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A20919E493 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:12:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A81419E491 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:12:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:12:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so1140282bwz.30 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:12:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.157 with SMTP id k29mr516728hbe.67.1257513140709; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:12:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:12:20 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-P1 hands-on report - AG Schnozz Style X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 14:12:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af420bc219087801554290 Hi Ken, Bill, Andrew, Iwert, Wayne, Don and all, From: Ken Norton >As a general rule I am not either. I prefer 35mm over 50mm. But try to >find a fast 35mm equivalent in 4/3 mount. To me, 40mm equiv. does the same as 35mm. So far, I'm very happy with the 20/1.7 of my GF1 -- review coming soon ;^) >It's almost enough to drive me >over to the dark side and flirt with financial disaster to get the M9 with >35 F1.4. Wow! My "usual" dealer has increased the price of the M9 -- from EUR 4700 to 5500, just like many other places here :-( From: "Sue Pearce" >Sounds good to me, but I'm a 28 guy and the leica fast 28's are not cheap. >Bill Pearce But then, are you talking about 28mm lenses or 28mm _equivalents_ in m4/3? The latter would be much more difficult. I own the Voigtlander Ultron 28/1.9 -- superb performer IME, but largish by rangefinder standards. From: Andrew Fildes >40mm f2 Summicron-C made for the CL - tiny and usually around $3-400 >tho' it might have gone up a bit now. Got recently the Minolta M-Rokkor 40/2 -- weren't they the same thing? I have finished my first test roll, but it's waiting to be developed! Tiny and great handling, they're told to be very sharp! >The 90mmf4 Elmar-C is good value too. Got also the Minolta version (even have a spare for sale!), but this is a different beast, especially on a m4/3 body -- a tiny 180/4 ;^) >And the 28mm Rokkor made for the >later Minolta CLE. These seem to have a problem similar to 'Schneideritis'... I don't have any of these, my 'compact RF 28' is a Voiftlander Skopar 28/3.5 in LTM -- already discontinued, stock is drying up... and S. Gandy rised their price $100 recently! Great little lens. Also, there's the 28/2.8 optics of the Ricoh GR-1 in LTM mount! But it was a very limited edition and prices are ridiculously high. I had that camera and it performed great, although of "clinical", analytic flavour. From: iwert bernakiewicz >And for an OM zuiko 40mm that price is considered expensive... Leica >really is a relative world. Well, I paid much more (plus customs) for my LNIB Zuiko 40/2 :-( I am, however, very happy with it and take it with my in all travels -- but I have to admit performance (at the widest apertures, at least) is nowhere as good as the CV Nokton 40/1.4! . But then, the Zuiko wins hands down in the bokeh dapartment: < http://cjss.sytes.net/atachaos/audrey40.jpeg> (on EOS-300D, 64mm equiv.) >One can get a pen f 40f1.4 for 150$ and f1.2 for 250... they are not >as tiny, but at least >a full stop faster! But I don't think they're such great performers -- I mean wide open. From: "Wayne Harridge" >And what about the cosine-voigtlanders in M mount ? As you can read on the previous paragraphs, I'm really happy with my CV lenses -- most are in LTM, but easily adapted to M bayonet. I think the 15/4.5 would be the only widish (30mm equiv...) lens I could use with the GF1 for some time :-( I haven't tried it already (waiting for the adapter to arrive...) but I thionk I have a great portrait lens for the GF1: the Skopar 50/2.5. Tiny but surprisingly heavy, this lens is sharp but also buttery smooth -- really love its pictures on film but I don't get much use for 50mm focal length. From: Don Holbrook >My 283 & standard 285 have voltages too high for digital use. My 285HV is ok, but some may not be. Others may chime in if I am >incorrect Just measured a Vivitar 2000 flash I had the intention to sell... OMG, 225 volts!!! :-( Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 14:19:07 2009 Received: (qmail 5526 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 13:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 13:19:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711B0E1829D for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BEDE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46D334AC026 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:19:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB5C34AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:19:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so999723ewy.14 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:19:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.85 with SMTP id b63mr1371185wef.175.1257513539791; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:18:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <939678.54369.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9e908c1f0911051408i1b76a6c0jf76424e0f55e19c8@mail.gmail.com> <939678.54369.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:18:59 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911060518l3d31aeacv972c6c2bcebaa20c@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 14:19:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4224b153764877110844 Hahaha I hadn't seen that one. Thanks. Joel W. On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Tim Hughes wrote: > Joel, > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 this pic from that collection is very much to the poin= t: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/3950976840/in/set-7215760801820= 9160/ > > Entitled "why I use Olympus !" > > Tim Hughes -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 14:20:41 2009 Received: (qmail 29641 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 13:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 13:20:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBEBE1822E for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461DEE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370EE34AC027 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:20:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8591334AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:20:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so1148838bwz.30 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:20:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.143.227 with SMTP id l35mr368836hba.164.1257513634228; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:20:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:20:34 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A few sunset shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 14:20:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af422a945221879814018 Hi Michael and all, From: Michael Wong >By E-520 with kit lens >< http://images1.fotop.net/albums6/MichaelWong/CheungChau20091025/PA250130_800.jpg > I find it well composed, exposed, and it's a pleasant picture... >By Leica Summicron 35 ASPH, Velvia 100 >< http://images1.fotop.net/albums6/MichaelWong/CheungChau20091025/IMG0250_Cron35ASPH.jpg > > >Similar composition with above one. The interest point is a pair of lover. ...but I prefer this one! Really nice. The issue with the greenish sun doesn't bring it down, IMHO. >< http://images1.fotop.net/albums6/MichaelWong/CheungChau20091025/IMG0246_Cron35ASPH.jpg > I think the ideal composition would be right between the last two... (246 & 250) Thanks for sharing. Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 14:40:39 2009 Received: (qmail 25736 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 13:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 13:40:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC10E181B9 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B46E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7C034AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:40:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2246934AC026 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:40:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24384 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2009 13:40:30 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2009 13:40:30 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:40:30 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091106-0, 11/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 14:40:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af42757253669730998309 I'd go half way in between. Chuck Norcutt Philippe Amard wrote: > Two versions of the same; can't make my mind about which, both probably > best viewed large. > Slow connection users beware ! > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/FF-Halloween+-1130962.jpg.html > > C&C welcome as usual. > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 14:41:57 2009 Received: (qmail 20494 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 13:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 13:41:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9627E18277 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEBBE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:41:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF7119E62D for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:41:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE8C19E620 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:41:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.2]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2123.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A49E37000096 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:41:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2123.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7858B7000093 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:41:51 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091106134151493.7858B7000093@msfrf2123.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF427B3.1030500@sfr.fr> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:42:11 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 14:41:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af427a5314881413256596 Thanks Chuck - I've had sugggestions for crops too - I'll try all this after the weekend.Thanks again Ph Chuck Norcutt wrote: >I'd go half way in between. > >Chuck Norcutt > > >Philippe Amard wrote: > > >>Two versions of the same; can't make my mind about which, both probably >>best viewed large. >>Slow connection users beware ! >> >>http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/FF-Halloween+-1130962.jpg.html >> >>C&C welcome as usual. >>Bien cordialement de Metz >>Philippe >> >> >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 14:49:55 2009 Received: (qmail 28780 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 13:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 13:49:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3A7E182AD for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:49:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A61E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6510C34AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:49:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C067234AC027 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:49:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so1027933ewy.14 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:49:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.146 with SMTP id a18mr1331149wef.56.1257515389446; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:49:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <12900079.17241257489856891.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> <15801779.16991257422043336.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <70E405B1-75E0-4FB8-959A-099F7699C833@mirko2.jazztel.es> <28996266-0082-4C40-A7E1-90C3CF0B58D3@mirko2.jazztel.es> <9e908c1f0911051408i1b76a6c0jf76424e0f55e19c8@mail.gmail.com> <12900079.17241257489856891.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:49:49 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911060549v7ae2a6c5q96bb1c58ab84af@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 14:49:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af42983188091342116753 On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > On 06 Nov 2009, at 12:08 AM, Joel Wilcox wrote: > >> This one in particular is quite outstanding: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/4059180489/ > > I have to disagree. As an image, it's quite cure, but it's technically > terrible. > It looks like a 100% crop form a small-sensor digicam to me, to be > honest. Sorry, for > ISO 400, it's really unusable, and somehow looks too "chunky." That's fine with me. I have no money on the E-P1/2 horse. The original question was about the lens, and the natural point of comparison is the Olympus 17mm pancake rather than some visionary ideal. The lens does very well I think. I'm afraid I don't otherwise look for technical prowess in Flickr images beyond fairly simple or obvious things. I'm a bit of a clod. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 14:53:46 2009 Received: (qmail 6114 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 13:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 13:53:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F45E18214 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C512CE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:53:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F1334AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:53:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6471F34AC026 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:53:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:53:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.212.67]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KSO00HN4X90KHJM@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:53:25 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AF42A5C.7030507@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:53:32 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <923031.55929.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <923031.55929.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] EP2: NO! NO! NO! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 14:53:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af42a6a146915683411216 I handled the EP-1 at PhotoPlus Expo in NYC 2 weeks ago. It felt very solid. It's very disappointing to hear that the 17mm lens is so under-engineered though. What did they think "this is good enough" ? ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Willie Wonka wrote: > Oh c'mon...even the G1? > > Thants the closest thing to the A1(200). > > I admit that EP-1(2) looks extremely pretty in a showcase, but imho > as a camera is completely retarded. > > Boris > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 14:54:52 2009 Received: (qmail 24234 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 13:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 13:54:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B1EE18214 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:54:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CD8E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9754B34AC027 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:54:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA2234AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:54:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3594 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2009 13:54:27 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2009 13:54:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF42A92.601@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:54:26 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> <6f8422750911060428n6f6f5af8id0a0953e7a1eeb5c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6f8422750911060428n6f6f5af8id0a0953e7a1eeb5c@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091106-0, 11/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] at the limits of my maths X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 14:54:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af42aac315379752976205 The requirements are clearly nonsense. However, they make good sense if = the stated size requirement of 110 cm is actually 110 mm (4.33") = instead. Then an image of 1024 pixels spanning 4.33" gives a resolution = of 236.5 pixels per inch which is well above the stated minimum of 80 = ppi. 80 ppi is probably OK for screen viewing but would make a very = poor quality print. 236.5 ppi would make a good but not outstanding = print. I think there was a failure of proof reading. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Still not completely awake. :-( > = > *_Wrote an error_*: required size in centimeters is 110 cm =3D > 43.307086614173228346456692913386 inches (or > 43,303333333333333333333333333349 as Nathan, Moose, Ken, Chuck rounded > up, corrected from 120 to 110 cm.). > Am I right so far? > = > I'm pasting the requirements in Spanish, then I'll feed Google Translator. > I was working on the 16bit .tif, still not considering the 1MB > requirement - same as resolution, that's not an issue. > = > Problem is that I cannot resize it to meet both 1024 px. _and_ 110 cm > before downsampling to .jpg > = > If specs cannot be met, that would be funny because requirements are > established by one of the most important Banks in Europe. :-) :-) :-) > = > I'm never sure if I'm dreaming or not, but we can discuss this later. Ser= iously. > = > Just in case, I'm pasting as said: > = > "Cada foto debe estar en formato .jpg, no pesar m=E1s de 1 MB y no medir > m=E1s de 1024 px en su lado m=E1s grande. > = > MUY IMPORTANTE: deber=E1 tener calidad suficiente para su impresi=F3n. > Para ello, es imprescindible que cumpla los siguientes requisitos > t=E9cnicos: una calidad m=EDnima de 80 d.p.i. a un tama=F1o de 110 cm en = su > lado m=E1s grande. Todas aquellas fotograf=EDas que no cumplan este > requisito podr=E1n ser rechazadas por la organizaci=F3n." > = > And as Google translates: > = > =B7"Each photo should be in. Jpg, although not more than 1 MB and not > measure more than 1024 px on its largest side. > = > VERY IMPORTANT: It must have sufficient quality for printing. It is > therefore imperative that meets the following technical requirements: > a minimum quality of 80 dpi to a size of 110 cm at its largest side. > All those pictures that do not meet this requirement may be rejected > by the organization." > = > TIA > = > Fernando. > = > = > 2009/11/6 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile : >> And no, I'm not smiling. >> Perhaps because it's too late at night and I should be sleeping instead. >> I'm facing a resize problem, both using CS3 or SIPro2. >> >> .tif is at 4000 ppi, width 3,39 cm., height 2,28 cm. pixel dimensions: >> width 5341, height 3594. >> >> I'm required to resize it to with 120 cm. and 1024 pixels wide. >> >> Resolution must be no less than 80 ppi - stubbornly I had been insisting >> in 300 ppi. >> But cannot solve this at 80 either. >> >> TIA >> >> Fernando. >> ---------- yes, I should be sleeping since 3 hours ago. >> -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 15:21:13 2009 Received: (qmail 17444 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 14:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 14:21:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369AEE18277 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:21:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406E3E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:21:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D60C34AC028 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:21:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A1E34AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:21:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([unknown] [173.54.180.225]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KSO00D70YIRFR40@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:20:54 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AF430BF.2060107@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:20:47 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 15:21:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af430d961901220213263 I agree. (layers rule). Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I'd go half way in between. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Philippe Amard wrote: >> Two versions of the same; can't make my mind about which, both probably >> best viewed large. >> Slow connection users beware ! >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/FF-Halloween+-1130962.jpg.html >> >> C&C welcome as usual. >> Bien cordialement de Metz >> Philippe >> >> -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 15:38:43 2009 Received: (qmail 14489 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 14:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 14:38:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9E5E18246 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F5AE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F4A19E878 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:38:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0CD19E894 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:38:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:38:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so1232586bwz.30 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:38:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.8.138 with SMTP id h10mr4425557bkh.187.1257518295106; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:38:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:38:15 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 100f014449140fac Message-ID: <9f07ac840911060638ya878942u732d3e0fd39fe4fe@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lighttable, was: Return of the bionic man X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 15:38:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af434f3166856107113666 Definitely! When my stocks of 100w/150w good-old-fashioned lamps disappears, I'll be using the Philips EcoClassic or similar. And 'spotlamps' are still allowed... Jez On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > > Sure! I'm getting some Philips halogen with standard E27 mount -- even at a > EU-directive-waiving 105W (150W equivalent!!!!) > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 15:39:51 2009 Received: (qmail 2609 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 14:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 14:39:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4A5E18246 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973A5E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E48934AC026 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:39:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BE234AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:39:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091106143903418.ZIKC6968@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:39:03 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:39:02 -0500 References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 15:39:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af43537119011234514069 I'd go a little more than half, but my eyes are old and tired. The darker shot is, well, darker, and on the web at least, seems to have less definition of elements. The brighter image has more than enough definition, but probably isn't true to the original vision. Have you tried converting to black & white? Sometimes that makes the darker image seem more "real." I'm not sure how well dark and color go together, unless there is a bright spot of color to give context to the dark. Sorry, just rambling . . . --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Nov 6, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I'd go half way in between. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Philippe Amard wrote: >> Two versions of the same; can't make my mind about which, both >> probably >> best viewed large. >> Slow connection users beware ! >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/FF-Halloween+-1130962.jpg.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 15:44:09 2009 Received: (qmail 30728 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 14:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 14:44:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143A1E182A1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:44:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8C3E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD43119E8DC for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:44:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D06D19E8D7 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:44:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:44:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so1238728bwz.30 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:44:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.34.20 with SMTP id j20mr4725309bkd.57.1257518640846; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:44:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF42A92.601@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> <6f8422750911060428n6f6f5af8id0a0953e7a1eeb5c@mail.gmail.com> <4AF42A92.601@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:44:00 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: aa3754b4f8467d67 Message-ID: <9f07ac840911060644j31e764c8se6868ba83f325c86@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] at the limits of my maths X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 15:44:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af43639292816789618724 I think Marc might have the right idea. "80 dpi to a size of 110 cm" could be suitable for reproduction as a cheap poster. And it does say 'minimum 80dpi' Jez On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The requirements are clearly nonsense. However, they make good sense if > the stated size requirement of 110 cm is actually 110 mm (4.33") > instead. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 15:51:23 2009 Received: (qmail 19506 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 14:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 14:51:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9250E1829D for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:51:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52BBE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C985419E939 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:51:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180D119E915 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:51:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so1246340bwz.30 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:51:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.21.4 with SMTP id h4mr4797166bkb.58.1257519074761; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:51:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:51:14 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0911060651n31a581e6j945c5cda58cfe2@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 15:51:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af437eb138381220213263 I definitely prefer the brighter "b" version. But then I did just finish reading Cormac McCarthy's book "The Road" and could really use something to brighten my day. Charlie On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > I'd go a little more than half, but my eyes are old and tired. The > darker shot is, well, darker, and on the web at least, seems to have > less definition of elements. The brighter image has more than enough > definition, but probably isn't true to the original vision. > > Have you tried converting to black & white? Sometimes that makes the > darker image seem more "real." I'm not sure how well dark and color go > together, unless there is a bright spot of color to give context to > the dark. > > Sorry, just rambling . . . > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > On Nov 6, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > > I'd go half way in between. > > > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > > > Philippe Amard wrote: > >> Two versions of the same; can't make my mind about which, both > >> probably > >> best viewed large. > >> Slow connection users beware ! > >> > >> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/FF-Halloween+-1130962.jpg.html > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 15:53:41 2009 Received: (qmail 11443 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 14:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 14:53:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA992E18256 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:53:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A590E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550AA19E7C4 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:53:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E8C19E83A for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:53:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 06:53:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:21724 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N6QBz-0005pN-0t for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:53:35 -0600 Message-ID: <4AF4385E.7090409@picturepedia.org> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:53:18 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 15:53:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4387593731234514069 I prefer the darker, but I think if you changed the background and frame colour you would have people changing there minds. BTW I am looking at this on a cheapo lcd screen I am testing for work and I have to say I am so far very impressed samsung syncmaster 2343bw - seems it might evenbe better than my 24" dell at home. IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 16:18:02 2009 Received: (qmail 25654 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 15:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 15:18:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC30E182B1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A37E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA2234AC024 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:17:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 required=7 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A270134AC026 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:17:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from the.earth.li (the.earth.li [217.147.81.2]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from paddy by the.earth.li with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N6QZW-0007sG-67 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:17:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:17:54 +0000 From: Patrick Moore To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20091106151754.GA9442@the.earth.li> References: <939678.54369.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4AF3E3F6.8050008@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AF3E3F6.8050008@chucknorcutt.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 16:18:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af43e2a311631073733319 just forfun ... Pentax K20D- 800g inc batt. Pentax 50-135 DA* f2.8 -765g w/ hood. hmmm. :) * On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 03:53:10AM -0500, Chuck Norcutt said: > Olympus E-3 - 800g > Canon EOS 7D - 820g > Canon EOS 5D - 810g > > Olympus 35-100mm f/2.0 - 1650g (w/o tripod ring) > Canon 70-200/2.8 L IS - 1452g (w/o tripod ring) > > Got any better reasons? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > > Tim Hughes wrote: > > Joel, > > this pic from that collection is very much to the point: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/3950976840/in/set-72157608018209160/ > > > > Entitled "why I use Olympus !" > > > > Tim Hughes > > > > --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Joel Wilcox wrote: > > > > > > From: Joel Wilcox > > Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 > > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 2:08 PM > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:02 PM, David Irisarri Vila > > wrote: > >> I also have read the lens Lumix 20mm autofocus is fast. I wonder how > >> it performs in E-P2. Did anybody try this lens in E-P1? > > > > David, > > Here's a guy who has posted some photos with that combination: > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/ > > > > This one in particular is quite outstanding: > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/21122418@N07/4059180489/ > > > > Joel W. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 16:19:33 2009 Received: (qmail 27841 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 15:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 15:19:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3BBE18308 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:19:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3C7E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA7C19EA28 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:18:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6257819EA34 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:18:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so258995fxm.30 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:18:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.86.8 with SMTP id o8mr1754923mul.19.1257520727961; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:18:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911060644j31e764c8se6868ba83f325c86@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> <6f8422750911060428n6f6f5af8id0a0953e7a1eeb5c@mail.gmail.com> <4AF42A92.601@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840911060644j31e764c8se6868ba83f325c86@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:18:47 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911060718w3d65b88bnbb73e964b612f66e@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] at the limits of my maths X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 16:19:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af43e85103721136683642 Yes, agree. Now that I'm sure it's not my lack of understanding, I'll email them for further clarification. Thanks all, list :-) Fernando. 2009/11/6 Jez Cunningham : > I think Marc might have the right idea. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 16:25:43 2009 Received: (qmail 24299 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 15:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 15:25:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA48BE18148 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:25:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16932E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:25:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B5F19EA74 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:25:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011A219EA7B for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:25:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:25:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA6FPXGa018751 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:25:33 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF427B3.1030500@sfr.fr> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:24:23 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 16:25:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af43ff7181881076813867 The responses from some members about the darkness is expected, it could be due to monitor brightness issue (on my monitor it is fine). I did a minor adjustment on your image which may retain the mood and give a brighter image, see if it works: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/FF-Halloween_-1130962c.jpg C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippe Amard" > Thanks Chuck - I've had sugggestions for crops too - I'll try all this > after the weekend.Thanks again > Ph > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >>I'd go half way in between. >> >>Chuck Norcutt >> >> >>Philippe Amard wrote: >> >> >>>Two versions of the same; can't make my mind about which, both probably >>>best viewed large. >>>Slow connection users beware ! >>> >>>http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/FF-Halloween+-1130962.jpg.html >>> >>>C&C welcome as usual. >>>Bien cordialement de Metz >>>Philippe >>> >>> >>> >>> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 16:30:38 2009 Received: (qmail 20457 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 15:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 15:30:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4826DE18277 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE42E240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEA934AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:30:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FDA34AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:30:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mialop.wong@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pz0-f172.google.com (mail-pz0-f172.google.com [209.85.222.172]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by pzk2 with SMTP id 2so756133pzk.26 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:30:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.87.5 with SMTP id k5mr6765479wab.145.1257521428647; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:30:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:30:28 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fb637dd1f1c5f5cb Message-ID: <60f983080911060730i2267ddcbr1dc3d29c5b13bcd3@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A few sunset shots X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 16:30:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4411d81041006886880 Carlos, Thanks for your comment ^_^ --- Michael 2009/11/6 Carlos J. Santisteban > Hi Michael and all, > > From: Michael Wong > >By E-520 with kit lens > >< > > http://images1.fotop.net/albums6/MichaelWong/CheungChau20091025/PA250130_800.jpg > > > > I find it well composed, exposed, and it's a pleasant picture... > > >By Leica Summicron 35 ASPH, Velvia 100 > >< > > http://images1.fotop.net/albums6/MichaelWong/CheungChau20091025/IMG0250_Cron35ASPH.jpg > > > > > >Similar composition with above one. The interest point is a pair of lover. > > ...but I prefer this one! Really nice. The issue with the greenish sun > doesn't bring it down, IMHO. > > >< > > http://images1.fotop.net/albums6/MichaelWong/CheungChau20091025/IMG0246_Cron35ASPH.jpg > > > > I think the ideal composition would be right between the last two... (246 & > 250) > > Thanks for sharing. Cheers, > -- > Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas > IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 17:15:31 2009 Received: (qmail 31529 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 16:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 16:15:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD67E181B9 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:15:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82D0E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D473B19EBAE for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:15:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40F419EC06 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:15:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:15:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <29224216.17591257524933539.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 566 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:28:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0911060549v7ae2a6c5q96bb1c58ab84af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:56:07 +0200 References: <4AF2068E.9090005@blueyonder.co.uk> <5018377.16971257405795014.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <000101ca5dfc$e9f1cc40$bdd564c0$@com.au> <15801779.16991257422043336.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <70E405B1-75E0-4FB8-959A-099F7699C833@mirko2.jazztel.es> <28996266-0082-4C40-A7E1-90C3CF0B58D3@mirko2.jazztel.es> <9e908c1f0911051408i1b76a6c0jf76424e0f55e19c8@mail.gmail.com> <12900079.17241257489856891.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <9e908c1f0911060549v7ae2a6c5q96bb1c58ab84af@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Olympus E-P2 + Lumix 20mm f1.7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 17:15:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af44ba3147582517112723 Joel, no disagreements about the Panasonic 20/1.7 lens, if I were to be in the market for en E-P1/2, I'd get one in a heartbeat, an excellent lens it seems. I was commenting on the colours and noise of the image in the link you posted to. Sorry if I came across as harsh. I guess I just had higher expectations than what Olympus did here, and not unreasonable ones, I believe, considering their Pen and OM systems history. regards, Dawid (also always a bit of a clod) Loubser On 06 Nov 2009, at 3:49 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote: >> I have to disagree. As an image, it's quite cure, but it's >> technically >> terrible. >> It looks like a 100% crop form a small-sensor digicam to me, to be >> honest. Sorry, for >> ISO 400, it's really unusable, and somehow looks too "chunky." > > That's fine with me. I have no money on the E-P1/2 horse. The > original question was about the lens, and the natural point of > comparison is the Olympus 17mm pancake rather than some visionary > ideal. The lens does very well I think. I'm afraid I don't otherwise > look for technical prowess in Flickr images beyond fairly simple or > obvious things. I'm a bit of a clod. > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 17:20:22 2009 Received: (qmail 20639 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 16:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 16:20:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8C0E182B3 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:20:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E19E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591C119EC25 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:20:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7810419EC1C for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:20:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:20:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <31925327.17601257525227286.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 755 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:33:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF3F864.2090105@picturepedia.org> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:20:13 +0200 References: <4af1ec2d.0a1ad00a.3274.7825@mx.google.com> <1235446.17451257503251617.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4AF3F864.2090105@picturepedia.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 17:20:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af44cc69296789618724 The 180/2.0 is not too bad at all... Quite manageable, it seems. Definitely dwarfed by it's big 250/2.0 and 350/2.8 brothers. I wish they kept on making them black though. Thanks for the image, saw it long ago, was good to see it again. P.S. In all likelihood, a chrome OM-1/2 goes better with a white lens than what a black / titanium camera does? What do you think? On 06 Nov 2009, at 12:20 PM, SwissPace wrote: > I Know the 250/2 is MUCH bigger but here is what the 180/2 look like > with an OM body, yep I know I have posted this before but that lens > cost me a fortune (though much less than its the 18,000 Swiss franc > list > price) and I need to get some value from it ;-) > > > > > IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 17:30:11 2009 Received: (qmail 15892 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 16:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 16:30:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EADE181AC for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079EFE240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFC634AC02A for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:30:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C927E34AC029 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:30:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:30:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:30452 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N6RhN-0003ze-C4 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:30:05 -0600 Message-ID: <4AF44F06.6070708@picturepedia.org> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:29:58 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <4af1ec2d.0a1ad00a.3274.7825@mx.google.com> <1235446.17451257503251617.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <4AF3F864.2090105@picturepedia.org> <31925327.17601257525227286.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: <31925327.17601257525227286.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] E-P2 to be announced tomorrow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 17:30:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af44f13293171258626592 They stopped making them in black due to them finding that there was less distortion due to heat from the white/cream version, It might go better looks wise but I am not swapping my 3ti for one ;-) > > I wish they kept on making them black though. Thanks for the image, > saw it long ago, was good to see it again. > > P.S. In all likelihood, a chrome OM-1/2 goes better with a white lens > than what a black / titanium camera does? What do you think? > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 17:36:08 2009 Received: (qmail 23268 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 16:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 16:36:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01AFE181CC for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2515FE240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:36:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13EDF19ECC1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:36:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DD619ECB7 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:36:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26243 invoked by uid 504); 6 Nov 2009 16:36:01 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2009 16:36:01 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF45071.1030302@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:36:01 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF427B3.1030500@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091106-1, 11/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 17:36:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af45078230001744846740 Yes, I like that one. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > The responses from some members about the darkness is expected, it could be > due to monitor brightness issue (on my monitor it is fine). I did a minor > adjustment on your image which may retain the mood and give a brighter > image, see if it works: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/FF-Halloween_-1130962c.jpg > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philippe Amard" > >> Thanks Chuck - I've had sugggestions for crops too - I'll try all this >> after the weekend.Thanks again >> Ph >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> I'd go half way in between. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> Philippe Amard wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Two versions of the same; can't make my mind about which, both probably >>>> best viewed large. >>>> Slow connection users beware ! >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/FF-Halloween+-1130962.jpg.html >>>> >>>> C&C welcome as usual. >>>> Bien cordialement de Metz >>>> Philippe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 18:22:56 2009 Received: (qmail 20526 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 17:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 17:22:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF954E182A2 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CCEE240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D97119EF71 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:22:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACE419EF94 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:22:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:22:46 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id nA6HMbkZ030089; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:22:40 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" , "liste leica reflex" , "Leica Users Group" References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:22:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 18:22:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af45b7073811560218263 Hi Philippe, On my screen, one is too dark, the other too bright. I would split the difference. Colorful place that has seen better days. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippe Amard" To: "liste leica reflex" ; "Leica Users Group" ; "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 5:22 AM Subject: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... > Two versions of the same; can't make my mind about which, both probably > best viewed large. > Slow connection users beware ! > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/FF-Halloween+-1130962.jpg.html > > C&C welcome as usual. > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 19:29:26 2009 Received: (qmail 29251 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 18:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 18:29:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0D7E18214 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:29:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE878E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22AC1CD499 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:29:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B201CD4C5 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:29:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com (mail-gx0-f221.google.com [209.85.217.221]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:29:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so1460220gxk.10 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:29:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.249.3 with SMTP id w3mr4840591anh.118.1257532147094; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:29:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0911052243k23ec2851oaa02e9172f22ecbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0911052030t473204e3v56e2acf939db01e@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911052243k23ec2851oaa02e9172f22ecbd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:29:07 +0100 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG / Calligraphy experiment MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 19:29:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af46b06168931234514069 Hello Richard, I would try to do the writing along the left (or right) edge vertically. That way it frames or holds the image, now it is more like a description in the bottom left (to me) Iwert 2009/11/6 Richard Man : > It's a long pano (1100 pixel across) > http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/spirit_of_the_placeV2.jpg > > The right hand side is chopped off since my flatbed scanner only does up to 11. > > The bottom is chopped off since I hand cut the 11x14 paper into pano > strips and I missed... > > The flatbed scan is of course not as sharp as the neg scanned version: > http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/20091026-129.jpg > > There is also a gray colorshift, as an artifact of print scanning. > > The Chinese calligraphy is done using a fountain pen. It's a Japanese > pen so it's more flexible than normal with additional work done by > nibs.com. The chop is directly ink on. > > So far, I like the combination! I think it adds some more personal > touch. Hope you agree. > > -- > // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com > // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: > http://rfman.wordpress.com > // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 19:51:56 2009 Received: (qmail 1694 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 18:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 18:51:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4968E18236 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE43FE240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FEE1CD48A for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:51:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271D11CD492 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:51:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp06.register.it [81.88.48.56]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:51:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8111 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2009 18:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@83.40.198.146) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2009 18:51:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <6f8422750911060428n6f6f5af8id0a0953e7a1eeb5c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:51:37 +0100 Message-Id: <41A78601-6754-4EAA-B8C2-AE7983B77054@frozenlight.eu> References: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> <6f8422750911060428n6f6f5af8id0a0953e7a1eeb5c@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] at the limits of my maths X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 19:51:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4704c116621220213263 Hola Fernando, Reading the Spanish original of the requirements, whoever wrote them = has no understanding of the basic principles, big bank or not. It is = simply impossible to specify pixel dimensions, resolution and print = size. You can specify two of the three but not all three (except by = coincidence). Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Nov 6, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Still not completely awake. :-( > > *_Wrote an error_*: required size in centimeters is 110 cm =3D > 43.307086614173228346456692913386 inches (or > 43,303333333333333333333333333349 as Nathan, Moose, Ken, Chuck rounded > up, corrected from 120 to 110 cm.). > Am I right so far? > > I'm pasting the requirements in Spanish, then I'll feed Google = > Translator. > I was working on the 16bit .tif, still not considering the 1MB > requirement - same as resolution, that's not an issue. > > Problem is that I cannot resize it to meet both 1024 px. _and_ 110 cm > before downsampling to .jpg > > If specs cannot be met, that would be funny because requirements are > established by one of the most important Banks in Europe. :-) :-) :-) > > I'm never sure if I'm dreaming or not, but we can discuss this = > later. Seriously. > > Just in case, I'm pasting as said: > > "Cada foto debe estar en formato .jpg, no pesar m=E1s de 1 MB y no medir > m=E1s de 1024 px en su lado m=E1s grande. > > MUY IMPORTANTE: deber=E1 tener calidad suficiente para su impresi=F3n. > Para ello, es imprescindible que cumpla los siguientes requisitos > t=E9cnicos: una calidad m=EDnima de 80 d.p.i. a un tama=F1o de 110 cm en = su > lado m=E1s grande. Todas aquellas fotograf=EDas que no cumplan este > requisito podr=E1n ser rechazadas por la organizaci=F3n." > > And as Google translates: > > =B7"Each photo should be in. Jpg, although not more than 1 MB and not > measure more than 1024 px on its largest side. > > VERY IMPORTANT: It must have sufficient quality for printing. It is > therefore imperative that meets the following technical requirements: > a minimum quality of 80 dpi to a size of 110 cm at its largest side. > All those pictures that do not meet this requirement may be rejected > by the organization." > > TIA > > Fernando. > > > 2009/11/6 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile : >> And no, I'm not smiling. >> Perhaps because it's too late at night and I should be sleeping = >> instead. >> I'm facing a resize problem, both using CS3 or SIPro2. >> >> .tif is at 4000 ppi, width 3,39 cm., height 2,28 cm. pixel = >> dimensions: >> width 5341, height 3594. >> >> I'm required to resize it to with 120 cm. and 1024 pixels wide. >> >> Resolution must be no less than 80 ppi - stubbornly I had been = >> insisting >> in 300 ppi. >> But cannot solve this at 80 either. >> >> TIA >> >> Fernando. >> ---------- yes, I should be sleeping since 3 hours ago. >> > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 19:54:14 2009 Received: (qmail 30170 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 18:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 18:54:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC38BE182A1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321F6E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159571CD48A for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:54:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4C01CD48E for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:54:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:54:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA6Is0k3009019 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:54:00 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.bb9.56752875 (34943) for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com [205.188.84.130]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA054-d4044af470b82e; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:53:56 -0500 Received: from webmail-m041 (webmail-m041.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.224]) by smtprly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDD028-d4044af470b82e; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:53:44 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:53:43 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 28878-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:53:43 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC2D29991777E4-236C-1DBDE@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Nondestructive mount surgery for Zuikos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 19:54:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af470d6100111073733319 For the Ni*onians that have duplicate Zuikos or insist they want to use them on Nikyon? Interesting or sacrilege? I have not run into this before. http://leitax.com/OlympusOM-lens-for-Nikon-cameras.html Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 20:02:16 2009 Received: (qmail 11346 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 19:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 19:02:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6515AE1824D for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8688FE240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:02:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E1134AC026 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:02:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C06634AC028 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:02:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:02:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA6J25NM014170 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:02:05 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.cf9.670898b9 (55725) for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.3]) by cia-md02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD028-d39f4af472962fd; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:01:57 -0500 Received: from webmail-m041 (webmail-m041.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.224]) by smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC031-d39f4af472962fd; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:01:42 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:01:42 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 28878-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:01:42 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC2D2AB66E6263-236C-1DE1C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Zuikos on EP-1; sample images X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 20:02:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af472b813852013633067 http://www.biofos.com/cornucop/omz_ep1.html Higher shutter speeds than I would have thought were recommended by him considering the in body IS. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 20:20:39 2009 Received: (qmail 2830 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 19:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 19:20:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2883E18247 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF501E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D331CD493 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:20:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BB41CD48E for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:20:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.113]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 36292 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2009 19:20:31 -0000 Message-ID: <384379.35410.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: bDH9CN8VM1nORfreazs60FZ9aU2fX1BNqEHQEraYR.mGtn12Q_ifwN8AOQ3dCUmq5TVOc3TTx9RK8F7iTkD5X8o8zLqRa2FAhtvESTaQrUwPNQJYhQtDlAVDAt9h3SIMtp8dx_h09i14uGh1qEDgxbZXkohG7.0yg8YvTs9pk_.hSGt9RCZ6Z9Bk.mnUiBPfut6Hn9UgzvePu5qeBO0cy36fXbG_5S.yxSplM6SMdSPayVWm6jBomOupZGu8GSxOgUSWDK8IsZbe32TXAR7fzumKsSYt4ckuYBJEUqgoQY19bjugR8uQbcBm4ohgIQpgT25E7tO2IjGXejOVfiJQ7.szSGwKqpHdHGvxTR4G0Mbyf6Q3l51RN_50.g.PJvlG8GMCqERN0NuB2j2lIGKbBlXyw5h3yQ3NpVwtg3yTzv2FGfOoHfFCjl3_zSOE98cGyVWu4iLVqnMy2sjKCkwQbcTHQzLXHEO.SXEk8KUcxCHrSrL7Z4hPx0MzA34MA84qD7s3OJ13yyCQ_ZObm7dmch0KqmfBtNVrzhy02jz29w5HJMx3SdxvIigHUxXYnsL0uE.W4C7sU0FSnx9sjSgptcoHaFcYFcmAa4bNgK8CaJQ- Received: from [99.37.158.77] by web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:20:30 PST X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:20:30 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CC2D29991777E4-236C-1DBDE@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nondestructive mount surgery for Zuikos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 20:20:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4770759831234514069 Interesting to know why the other unlisted=A0 OM lenses cannot be easily co= nverted. = It may be that some OM lenses have different thickness/design native flange= s, and they only make the one size flange replacement? The rear element may= protrude too far? It is difficult to fit a spring? The Leitax site is well known amongst lens hackers, so it is nice to see OM= now included. =A0 They also make Leica to Alpha conversions, so maybe they will eventuall= y do an OM to alpha which to my mind is nice given the "low price" new Sony= FF with IS body? Tim Hughes --- On Fri, 11/6/09, usher99@aol.com wrote: From: usher99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Nondestructive mount surgery for Zuikos To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:53 AM For the Ni*onians that have duplicate Zuikos or insist they want to use = them on Nikyon? Interesting or sacrilege?=A0 I have not run into this before. http://leitax.com/OlympusOM-lens-for-Nikon-cameras.html Mike -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 20:34:59 2009 Received: (qmail 12563 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 19:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 19:34:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E47FE182A7 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:34:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FAEE240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41D21CD490 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:34:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E8D1CD481 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:34:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA6JYoE2027776 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:34:50 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.c55.5b165fa0 (43842) for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:34:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.154]) by cia-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC037-5c3d4af47a4f31d; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:34:44 -0500 Received: from webmail-m041 (webmail-m041.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.224]) by smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB033-5c3d4af47a4f31d; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:34:39 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:34:38 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 28878-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:34:38 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC2D2F505E7CFD-236C-1E6F8@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Nondestructive mount surgery for Zuikos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 20:34:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af47a63264164877110844 I think in an e-mail he said some of the newer mounts are two piece?? The 40 F2 and the Z 50 F1.8 miJ come to mind. Could be wrong. John, and others of course would know. Anyway, he is working on a solution for those and is close. He thinks the 100 f2 is fine too. Wish I had one, but I wouldn't convert it. Hey, the D3 owners can now use them for TOPE shots. Mike Oops back to work. It may be that some OM lenses have different thickness/design native flanges, and they only make the one size flange replacement? The rear element may protrude too far? It is difficult to fit a spring? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 21:12:52 2009 Received: (qmail 2729 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 20:12:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 20:12:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73646E18228 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4206E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C366A1CD481 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:12:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F821CD492 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:12:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:12:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so1691289ywh.22 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:12:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.143.10 with SMTP id v10mr5145156ann.170.1257538365425; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:12:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8CC2D2F505E7CFD-236C-1E6F8@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC2D2F505E7CFD-236C-1E6F8@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:12:45 +0100 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Nondestructive mount surgery for Zuikos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 21:12:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4834492201136683642 a pity one looses the DoF scale, but otherwise very nice! Yes, bring on the sony mount..., or an OM mount for sony cameras :) Iwert 2009/11/6 : > I think in an e-mail he said some of the newer mounts are two piece?? > The 40 F2 and the Z 50 F1.8 miJ come to mind. =A0Could be wrong. > John, and others of course would know. > Anyway, he is working on a solution for those and is close. =A0He thinks > the 100 f2 is fine too. =A0Wish I had one, but I wouldn't convert it. > Hey, the D3 owners can now use them for TOPE shots. > Mike > Oops back to work. > > > > > > > It may be that some OM lenses have different thickness/design native > flanges, > and they only make the one size flange replacement? The rear element > may > protrude too far? It is difficult to fit a spring? > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 21:21:51 2009 Received: (qmail 3194 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 20:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 20:21:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7988BE1824D for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:21:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13731E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AC51CD497 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:21:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725FE1CD495 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:21:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f173.google.com (mail-yw0-f173.google.com [209.85.211.173]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:21:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so1700483ywh.22 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:21:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.235.5 with SMTP id i5mr8513879ybh.271.1257538900956; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:21:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7ac27f4f0911052030t473204e3v56e2acf939db01e@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0911052243k23ec2851oaa02e9172f22ecbd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:21:40 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0911061221n6f46a8r8ad4a4347d7b5b43@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG / Calligraphy experiment MkII X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 21:21:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4855f80601234514069 Thanks. I have some idea that take advantage of the split grade printing that I am doing to leave more vignetting space for the calligraphy. Will try later.... On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM, iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > Hello Richard, > > I would try to do the writing along the left (or right) edge vertically. > That way it frames or holds the image, now it is more like a > description in the bottom left (to me) > -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 22:16:15 2009 Received: (qmail 18562 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 21:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 21:16:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F59E182A5 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B53E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDBF1CD497 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:16:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B7E1CD496 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:16:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13626 invoked by uid 502); 6 Nov 2009 21:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.164.74) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2009 21:16:06 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF49211.3000005@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:16:01 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> <6f8422750911060428n6f6f5af8id0a0953e7a1eeb5c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6f8422750911060428n6f6f5af8id0a0953e7a1eeb5c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] at the limits of my maths X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 22:16:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4921f200472439112457 Separately from the photo, I suggest that you don't do any banking business with them. :-) There is ample recent confirmation that even the biggest banks don't always get their number right. Moose Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > ... > > If specs cannot be met, that would be funny because requirements are established by one of the most important Banks in Europe. :-) :-) :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 22:25:08 2009 Received: (qmail 2924 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 21:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 21:25:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C609BE18214 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D100E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9E51CD499 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:25:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE57A1CD498 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:25:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7768 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2009 21:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 21:18:38 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0911060651n31a581e6j945c5cda58cfe2@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:24:56 +1100 References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0911060651n31a581e6j945c5cda58cfe2@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 22:25:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4943421924877110844 Gawd I'm 3/4's of the way down it - you mean it doesn't get any better? Damn. Phillipe, the first version looks VERY flat and dull on my screen - the second is good for exposure but too colour saturated. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/11/2009, at 1:51 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > I definitely prefer the brighter "b" version. But then I did just > finish > reading Cormac McCarthy's book "The Road" and could really use > something to > brighten my day. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 22:32:50 2009 Received: (qmail 2317 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 21:32:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 21:32:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC701E1819F for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8F6E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:32:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D1434AC026 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:32:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDF934AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:32:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8104 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2009 21:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 21:26:23 -0000 Message-Id: <62506467-ECA4-4147-B930-692AF12ADDBE@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:32:43 +1100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-P1 hands-on report - AG Schnozz Style X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 22:32:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af49602230564877110844 Not quite - the Summicron was single coated, the Rokkor multi-coated. Each has its fans. The 40/2 has to be modified slightly to bring up the 35mm viewfinder frame on an M8. I did it myself easily - you just need to cut away part of a mount 'tooth' with a Dremel. Otherwise it brings up the 50mm frame. Minolta also made a 28mm for the body which is also excellent. It tends to develop a 'white spot' rash around the front element but I had one so affected where the rash just went away over a few months. It doesn't effect the image anyway. The CL and CLE lenses are much underrated. Some will tell you that the cams are wrong for a proper Leica M but as far as I can tell, that's nonsense. It's been suggested that it is Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/11/2009, at 12:12 AM, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > From: Andrew Fildes >> 40mm f2 Summicron-C made for the CL - tiny and usually around $3-400 >> tho' it might have gone up a bit now. > > Got recently the Minolta M-Rokkor 40/2 -- weren't they the same > thing? I > have finished my first test roll, but it's waiting to be developed! > Tiny and > great handling, they're told to be very sharp! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Nov 6 23:15:19 2009 Received: (qmail 15666 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 22:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 22:15:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6E9E1824E for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A75E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCDB1CD492 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:15:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6F71CD48A for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:15:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2540 invoked by uid 502); 6 Nov 2009 22:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.167.26) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 6 Nov 2009 22:15:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF49FE9.9020301@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:15:05 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0911060651n31a581e6j945c5cda58cfe2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 6 23:15:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af49ff7316004877110844 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Gawd I'm 3/4's of the way down it - you mean it doesn't get any better? Damn. > Sometimes the solution to pain is to stop hitting oneself with the hammer. Some authors and books are best abandoned. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 00:19:48 2009 Received: (qmail 29124 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 23:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 23:19:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90C2E182A6 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:19:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C840E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:19:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E800E1CD48A for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:19:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3361CD490 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:19:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:19:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d58-104-127-65.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.127.65]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA6NJanS026491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:19:37 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:19:35 +1100 Message-ID: <000001ca5f37$9bbb3de0$d331b9a0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acpe1UOtAadchhKlR0qzcZLsEkQqUgAYjCbQ Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 00:19:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4af1445431234514069 > > I prefer the first image, I believe it is more close to the original > mood? > Me too, 2nd looks a bit bright and contrasty for my liking. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 00:22:34 2009 Received: (qmail 27969 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 23:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 23:22:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3A7E182A0 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0447E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B771CD48A for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:22:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2713F1CD481 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:22:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d58-104-127-65.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.127.65]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA6NMQk1028878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:22:27 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4AF3AF2D.9040704@chasque.net> <6f8422750911060428n6f6f5af8id0a0953e7a1eeb5c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6f8422750911060428n6f6f5af8id0a0953e7a1eeb5c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:22:26 +1100 Message-ID: <000101ca5f38$0164f000$042ed000$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acpe3KP0uwsC1r6uS3yChio238QbIQAWyhyQ Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] at the limits of my maths X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 00:22:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4afba52471234514069 > > VERY IMPORTANT: It must have sufficient quality for printing. It is > therefore imperative that meets the following technical requirements: > a minimum quality of 80 dpi to a size of 110 cm at its largest side. > All those pictures that do not meet this requirement may be rejected > by the organization." > Perhaps if was 110mm rather than cm ? ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 00:25:19 2009 Received: (qmail 31243 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 23:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 23:25:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6354EE181AC for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:25:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF20E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41BBA34AC026 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:25:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07E734AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:25:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:25:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d58-104-127-65.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.127.65]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA6NP5Rc031754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:25:12 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:25:05 +1100 Message-ID: <000201ca5f38$634453b0$29ccfb10$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acpe3tyVg2b6MyFESqmHZcK7/7JiXgAWVE8Q Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Lighttable, was: Return of the bionic man X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 00:25:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4b05f231161076813867 > > Who knows! I remember when _blue_ LEDs were simply NOT AVAILABLE... > I can remember when LEDs weren't available, then a bit later we got red ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 00:34:32 2009 Received: (qmail 17860 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 23:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 23:34:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99303E1822B for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C95E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F531CD481 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:34:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD301CD490 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:34:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so1743103bwz.30 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:34:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.37 with SMTP id s37mr518835hbg.90.1257550465018; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:34:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <000201ca5f38$634453b0$29ccfb10$@com.au> References: <000201ca5f38$634453b0$29ccfb10$@com.au> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:34:24 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 18ab00b0d458805b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lighttable, was: Return of the bionic man X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 00:34:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4b288186041076813867 > > I can remember when LEDs weren't available, then a bit later we got red ! > And we LIKED it. AG (only semi ancient) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 00:55:35 2009 Received: (qmail 9707 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2009 23:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 23:55:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0067EE181AC for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093EAE240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A0F1CD48A for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:55:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D5A1CD481 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:55:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d58-104-127-65.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.127.65]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA6NtR66018166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:55:28 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CC2D2F505E7CFD-236C-1E6F8@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:55:27 +1100 Message-ID: <000301ca5f3c$9e2e6e80$da8b4b80$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcpfHYTJ2ZEREDD2R/O4K38Nyrl8OQAHsQSA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Nondestructive mount surgery for Zuikos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 00:55:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4b777313662517112723 > > Yes, bring on the sony mount..., or an OM mount for sony cameras :) > OM mount on Sony camera would be better, especially considering the leitax Nikon mount for zuikos is 62EU. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 01:01:06 2009 Received: (qmail 27345 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 00:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 00:01:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1393BE182A4 for ; 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Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:00:58 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0911060651n31a581e6j945c5cda58cfe2@mail.gmail.com> <4AF49FE9.9020301@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF49FE9.9020301@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:00:57 +1100 Message-ID: <000401ca5f3d$62a98100$27fc8300$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcpfLqEiqfEEBrk3TRKTyycOUquE2wADmPWg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 01:01:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4b8c2156301220213263 > > Sometimes the solution to pain is to stop hitting oneself with the > hammer. > > Some authors and books are best abandoned. > I don't like to abandon a book part way though, sort of like admitting defeat, however it's probably better to do that than put it down and promise to yourself that you'll finish it later. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 01:13:06 2009 Received: (qmail 4766 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 00:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 00:13:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E56E18277 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CFCE240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF33D1CD4BF for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:12:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258901CD4BC for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:12:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091107001257039.PAUP20461@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 00:12:57 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:12:55 -0500 References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 01:13:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4bb92131059752976205 Never mind what I said earlier. With the smaller versions, the brighter looks better. When I looked at the larger versions, I found the darker much more likable. For me, it would all come out in the print. Which makes the better print? --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Nov 6, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > I'd go a little more than half, but my eyes are old and tired. The > darker shot is, well, darker, and on the web at least, seems to have > less definition of elements. The brighter image has more than enough > definition, but probably isn't true to the original vision. > > Have you tried converting to black & white? Sometimes that makes the > darker image seem more "real." I'm not sure how well dark and color go > together, unless there is a bright spot of color to give context to > the dark. > > Sorry, just rambling . . . > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > > On Nov 6, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> I'd go half way in between. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Philippe Amard wrote: >>> Two versions of the same; can't make my mind about which, both >>> probably >>> best viewed large. >>> Slow connection users beware ! >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/FF-Halloween+-1130962.jpg.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 02:59:36 2009 Received: (qmail 25107 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 01:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 01:59:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941BBE182A4 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:59:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C65E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD43334AC025 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:59:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0640634AC024 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:59:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:59:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA71xP3S011925 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:59:25 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <1C9ACFD258A74BA39746223EB223B192@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr><4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF427B3.1030500@sfr.fr> <4AF45071.1030302@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:58:58 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 02:59:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4d488239671234514069 It is good to hear that. Sometimes we judge an image as dark due to the relative brightness of the subject, the judgement is independing on the monitor brightness. With this image, the overall mood is grey and a bit dark but it still look great on monitor with higher luminance. This image does not occupy the whole histogram, it will look dark on the monitor which has low luminace (ok, aged eyes will also cause that problem). I adjusted it by moving the highlight to 220 and gave it an inverse S curve to keep the tone unchanged. It will cause less trouble for viewing under different monitor. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Yes, I like that one. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> The responses from some members about the darkness is expected, it could >> be >> due to monitor brightness issue (on my monitor it is fine). I did a minor >> adjustment on your image which may retain the mood and give a brighter >> image, see if it works: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/FF-Halloween_-1130962c.jpg >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Philippe Amard" >> >>> Thanks Chuck - I've had sugggestions for crops too - I'll try all this >>> after the weekend.Thanks again >>> Ph >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> >>>> I'd go half way in between. >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> >>>> Philippe Amard wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Two versions of the same; can't make my mind about which, both >>>>> probably >>>>> best viewed large. >>>>> Slow connection users beware ! >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/FF-Halloween+-1130962.jpg.html >>>>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 03:11:02 2009 Received: (qmail 14782 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 02:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 02:11:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AAD4E18229 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098F9E240CB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DFC1CD48A for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:10:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A98E1CD481 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:10:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: DKIM failure for alanmwood@yahoo.co.uk (body has been altered) X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alanmwood@yahoo.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from n20.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (n20.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [87.248.110.137]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:10:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [217.146.182.177] by n20.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2009 02:10:54 -0000 Received: from [87.248.110.136] by t3.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2009 02:10:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp225.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2009 02:10:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 837160.74962.bm@omp225.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 283 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2009 02:10:54 -0000 Message-ID: <730149.99628.qm@web26604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: oIaudU4VM1nB6dCgjGuD_d0fQeykgYKX4W.BG4hnYq7g83J.Nk6mg0QoEUWcG5iJ2AUqYXvAzmoC96W_RbqOQibIK8koLzDqvZ_rMUcGnU9Ji1EceOUqcI_BJbijquVOCAnf.2eoBo8QtacqoxCEqAneVTjB3OwBelk.aw4m6NSSEchxKKoYCapzK2ADsP62di8kSOFk2TWEOutX2Vol_KDUnwK05Piy5Px8m0mn02gRQKJzwGz_xbZf0LoUN1Iow3KfD_dMQTeZVvZUpRcr8VgBPd3qZVeE6.ciEhhP8DzoOmRpFygbH81nTZAHQ3wdYAJJEH2u19aqhi1PRRnUCkL2m64ThguO5uz1m_yn_pQkIehdaixd13IkoA-- Received: from [117.47.19.169] by web26604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:10:54 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/211.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 References: <8CC2D29991777E4-236C-1DBDE@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 02:10:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Wood To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CC2D29991777E4-236C-1DBDE@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OM] Magnification tables for small sensors X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 03:11:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af4d736108993900897491 I have added tables of magnification, field size, bellows/tube/lens extensi= on and working distance for digital bodies with APS-C and Four-Thirds senso= rs and the bellows macro lenses and the 50/3.5:=A0 http://www.alanwood..net/photography/olympus/bellows-macro-lenses.html http://www.alanwood.net/photography/olympus/macro-lens-50-35.html I can't do tables for the 50/2 or 90/2 because as far as I can see Olympus = did not produce tables for these lenses, so I don't have anything to modify= (and I can't afford to buy the lenses). I will be using the EOS 40D tables to work out some fixed magnification/fix= ed lighting setups,=A0so I can get almost spot-on exposures with=A0T32s, T2= 0s or T28=A0on manual. -- = Alan Wood http://www.alanwood.net (Unicode, special characters, pesticide names) = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 08:54:19 2009 Received: (qmail 14902 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 07:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 07:54:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64212F14027 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093FBE240C1 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D543C34AC024 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:54:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E619F34AC026 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:54:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:54:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26566 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2009 07:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 07:47:43 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF49FE9.9020301@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:54:07 +1100 References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0911060651n31a581e6j945c5cda58cfe2@mail.gmail.com> <4AF49FE9.9020301@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 08:54:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af527ab79176107113666 Not when they are this well written. Finished without feeling the need to harm myself or others. It's a hard road though. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/11/2009, at 9:15 AM, Moose wrote: >> Gawd I'm 3/4's of the way down it - you mean it doesn't get any >> better? Damn. >> > > Sometimes the solution to pain is to stop hitting oneself with the > hammer. > > Some authors and books are best abandoned. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 11:22:58 2009 Received: (qmail 7390 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 10:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 10:22:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7F4F14024 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 02:22:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEB3E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 02:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1054734AC027 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 02:22:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A0034AC024 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 02:22:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 02:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12027 invoked by uid 502); 7 Nov 2009 10:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.173.192) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2009 10:22:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF54A72.9020001@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:22:42 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0911060651n31a581e6j945c5cda58cfe2@mail.gmail.com> <4AF49FE9.9020301@gmail.com> <000401ca5f3d$62a98100$27fc8300$@com.au> In-Reply-To: <000401ca5f3d$62a98100$27fc8300$@com.au> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 11:22:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af54a8212941220213263 Wayne Harridge wrote: > > I don't like to abandon a book part way though, sort of like admitting defeat, however it's probably better to do that than put it down and promise to yourself that you'll finish it later. > One of the epiphanies of my young adult life was about this. Through my teens and much or my 20s, I was a voracious reader of Sci-Fi. Although mostly crummy used paperbacks, I had the majority of it that had been published. Finally, I got a copy of a "great classic" that was quite rare. As I got into it, I was seriously bored. I trudged on for a while, convinced that I needed to finish any book I started. And it was a Classic, so it was bound to be good, right? Then, as I soldiered on, I realized it wasn't going to get any less than painfully boring and I honestly didn't care how it ended. So I closed it up and never went back. What a weight off my shoulders! It was like I had been relieved of some heavy burden. Now that I am several decades older, I know well that there are more books out there, or at least will be, worth my time and enjoyment than I'll ever have time to read. So now I'm happy to drop out of a book that isn't for me and move on to something else. Sure, I sometimes get fooled, and finish a book I could have well done without, but generally, I don't end up reading things that don't appeal to or educate me in ways I appreciate. One category of book that seems to me to invite partial reading is the ones that have a nice article's worth of content stretched to book length. A fair number of personal growth, religious and spiritual books seem to fall into this category. I get through the first couple or three chapters, scan ahead and find that the rest is just a spinning out and restatement that I don't need. I don't think I miss anything when I close these. An Optimal Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 11:32:58 2009 Received: (qmail 23012 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 10:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 10:32:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473C6F14017 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 02:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84B4E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 02:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C0319E08C for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 02:32:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D89719E076 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 02:32:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 02:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24678 invoked by uid 502); 7 Nov 2009 10:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.173.192) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2009 10:32:52 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF54CCE.2020302@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:32:46 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0911060651n31a581e6j945c5cda58cfe2@mail.gmail.com> <4AF49FE9.9020301@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 11:32:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af54cda249401076813867 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Not when they are this well written. > Finished without feeling the need to harm myself or others. > It's a hard road though. > Glad you survived. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger? I always thought that was bilge. Do you go out in the garden in spring and stomp the plants? If you did, do you think you would get fewer, but better, flowers? Even if that happened, what about the ones that get killed? I have no need to prove that I'm stronger than others.* That doesn't seem to me to be part of the reason for my life. And I really don't want to stand intentionally in harms way, and maybe get myself stomped. For me, letting seriously depressed authors pass it on to me is not part of my life agenda. Non Ascetic Moose * Happier than average? Now that's a goal I can see moving toward. :-) Oh, wait a minute, I'm already standing there. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 13:01:34 2009 Received: (qmail 32614 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 12:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 12:01:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0C1E181CD for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B41E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:01:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E8A19E351 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:01:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC4E19E2A9 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:01:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14081 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2009 11:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 11:54:56 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF54CCE.2020302@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:01:23 +1100 References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0911060651n31a581e6j945c5cda58cfe2@mail.gmail.com> <4AF49FE9.9020301@gmail.com> <4AF54CCE.2020302@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 13:01:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5619e225995034211378 Nietzsche. Like all good philosophers, he lived it - had a house halfway up a mountain and every morning climbed up for the view. 'No pain, no gain.' I prefer the motto - 'Whatever doesn't kill me, only delays the inevitable.' If you want to stay within the flower analogy though, consider pruning. Careful pruning certainly improves many fruit crops, like grapes. Stressing plants often encourages lush growth. Cutting a lawn improves the grass from our point of view (makes it bush out) put perhaps not from the grasses'. That enough horticultural examples for you? :-) I may now confess that I never finished 'In the Name of the Rose' (3 attempts) as I eventually decided that life is too short to struggle with something I would never quite 'get'. The filum wasn't bad, but. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/11/2009, at 9:32 PM, Moose wrote: > Glad you survived. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger? > > I always thought that was bilge. Do you go out in the garden in spring > and stomp the plants? If you did, do you think you would get fewer, > but > better, flowers? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 13:02:56 2009 Received: (qmail 22215 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 12:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 12:02:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52B6E1822B for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B741E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4A619E354 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:02:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC3219E350 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:02:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14154 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2009 11:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 11:55:34 -0000 Message-Id: <5F113FB8-F22B-4309-8053-2B3E1A9831C7@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF54A72.9020001@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:02:02 +1100 References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0911060651n31a581e6j945c5cda58cfe2@mail.gmail.com> <4AF49FE9.9020301@gmail.com> <000401ca5f3d$62a98100$27fc8300$@com.au> <4AF54A72.9020001@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 13:02:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af561f084211258626592 Name it - so that I can agree or argue. ;-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/11/2009, at 9:22 PM, Moose wrote: > I trudged on for a while, convinced that I needed to finish any book I > started. And it was a Classic, so it was bound to be good, right? > Then, > as I soldiered on, I realized it wasn't going to get any less than > painfully boring and I honestly didn't care how it ended. So I > closed it > up and never went back. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 13:39:18 2009 Received: (qmail 23821 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 12:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 12:39:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE687E1822B for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774C7E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF6934AC027 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:39:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A964D34AC026 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:39:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:39:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2019098bwz.30 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:39:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.36.203 with SMTP id u11mr5900813bkd.141.1257597551929; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:39:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF54A72.9020001@gmail.com> References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0911060651n31a581e6j945c5cda58cfe2@mail.gmail.com> <4AF49FE9.9020301@gmail.com> <000401ca5f3d$62a98100$27fc8300$@com.au> <4AF54A72.9020001@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:39:11 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0dfdfb9ac8f0225f Message-ID: <9f07ac840911070439t75524ef3l9e86951c146a4970@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 13:39:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af56a76325461357919056 I found that with RAMA... jez On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Moose wrote: > Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > > I don't like to abandon a book part way though, sort of like admitting > defeat, however it's probably better to do that than put it down and promise > to yourself that you'll finish it later. > > > > One of the epiphanies of my young adult life was about this. Through my > teens and much or my 20s, I was a voracious reader of Sci-Fi. Although > mostly crummy used paperbacks, I had the majority of it that had been > published. Finally, I got a copy of a "great classic" that was quite > rare. As I got into it, I was seriously bored. > > I trudged on for a while, convinced that I needed to finish any book I > started. And it was a Classic, so it was bound to be good, right? Then, > as I soldiered on, I realized it wasn't going to get any less than > painfully boring and I honestly didn't care how it ended. So I closed it > up and never went back. > > What a weight off my shoulders! It was like I had been relieved of some > heavy burden. Now that I am several decades older, I know well that > there are more books out there, or at least will be, worth my time and > enjoyment than I'll ever have time to read. > > So now I'm happy to drop out of a book that isn't for me and move on to > something else. Sure, I sometimes get fooled, and finish a book I could > have well done without, but generally, I don't end up reading things > that don't appeal to or educate me in ways I appreciate. > > One category of book that seems to me to invite partial reading is the > ones that have a nice article's worth of content stretched to book > length. A fair number of personal growth, religious and spiritual books > seem to fall into this category. I get through the first couple or three > chapters, scan ahead and find that the rest is just a spinning out and > restatement that I don't need. I don't think I miss anything when I > close these. > > An Optimal Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 13:49:10 2009 Received: (qmail 3493 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 12:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 12:49:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7680EE181BA for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F17CE240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:49:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEB119E4B5 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:49:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04AB19E245 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:49:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 04:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so1884532ewy.38 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:49:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.93.75 with SMTP id k53mr599083wef.209.1257598140710; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:49:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:49:00 +0000 Message-ID: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> From: andrew elliott To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 13:49:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af56cc6145191946193717 Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I have taken a few with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are now on flickr. This is my first attempt at using flickr, (as well as first time with 250mm on the c*n*n), so please forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should supply a link to the photos. My user name on flickr is andrewelliottgalbally and I have tagged photos as "Zuiko 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! Andrew -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 14:17:20 2009 Received: (qmail 20251 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 13:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 13:17:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBC0E182A2 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601CFE240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7F234AC025 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:17:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B951734AC024 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:17:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2036923bwz.30 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:17:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.101 with SMTP id c37mr555268hbg.4.1257599832415; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:17:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF54A72.9020001@gmail.com> References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <4AF4274E.4020800@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0911060651n31a581e6j945c5cda58cfe2@mail.gmail.com> <4AF49FE9.9020301@gmail.com> <000401ca5f3d$62a98100$27fc8300$@com.au> <4AF54A72.9020001@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:17:12 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ff62f0e8cf0145f0 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 14:17:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5736018881413256596 I read a book one time that was so bad that I continued on just to see how much worse it could get. As I learned, it got even worse than I could ever imagine. Throughout the book the author would introduce characters and they would never be seen again. The final 20 pages was spent doing a "where are they now" thing. The author is well known in the religous community and above reproach types. Also a powerfull autocrat type. I learned that editors were fired when they tried to "Edit" his work. ag -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 14:23:47 2009 Received: (qmail 2084 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 13:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 13:23:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD8EE182A7 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF90E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:23:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6E019E5E9 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:23:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D0119E5DD for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:23:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp08.online.nl (smtp08.online.nl [194.134.42.53]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp08.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1C666241 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:23:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:23:39 +0100 (CET) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:23:39 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp08.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 14:23:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af574e3133313900897491 Hi Andrew, I think Dawid will be happy with any Zuiko 250mm photos for now. I think you also shot wide open, just like Dawid wanted. They show some very nice shallow DOF. Welcome on Flickr, although some among us hate the site. Adding a link to your photos is quite easy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewelliottgalbally I am afraid that you did not add the quotes for the tags though. All tags appear as seperate words. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: andrew elliott [mailto:andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com] > Verzonden: zaterdag 7 november 2009 13:49 > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples > > > Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I > have taken a few with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are > now on flickr. This is my first attempt at using flickr, (as > well as first time with 250mm on the c*n*n), so please > forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should > supply a link to the photos. My user name on flickr is > andrewelliottgalbally and I have tagged photos as "Zuiko > 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! > > Andrew > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 9.0.698 / Virusdatabase: 270.14.52/2484 - datum van > uitgifte: 11/07/09 08:38:00 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 14:26:17 2009 Received: (qmail 11752 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 13:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 13:26:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F8CE181AC for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03DEE240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:26:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC9234AC028 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:26:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B8234AC026 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:26:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so1846206ewy.14 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:26:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.81 with SMTP id x59mr1845287wee.147.1257600370487; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:26:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:26:10 +0000 Message-ID: <27f57c7d0911070526n4b9da935x6b8362d8c8f09659@mail.gmail.com> From: andrew elliott To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 14:26:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af575798035683411216 All photos were taken with lens wide open. I am not carrying that thing around and then using it at f5.6 :) 2009/11/7 Wiliam Wagenaar > Hi Andrew, > > I think Dawid will be happy with any Zuiko 250mm photos for now. I think > you also shot wide open, just like Dawid wanted. They show some very > nice shallow DOF. > > Welcome on Flickr, although some among us hate the site. Adding a link > to your photos is quite easy: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewelliottgalbally > > I am afraid that you did not add the quotes for the tags though. All > tags appear as seperate words. > > Wiliam > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: andrew elliott [mailto:andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com] > > Verzonden: zaterdag 7 november 2009 13:49 > > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > > Onderwerp: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples > > > > > > Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I > > have taken a few with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are > > now on flickr. This is my first attempt at using flickr, (as > > well as first time with 250mm on the c*n*n), so please > > forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should > > supply a link to the photos. My user name on flickr is > > andrewelliottgalbally and I have tagged photos as "Zuiko > > 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! > > > > Andrew > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > > Versie: 9.0.698 / Virusdatabase: 270.14.52/2484 - datum van > > uitgifte: 11/07/09 08:38:00 > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 14:43:18 2009 Received: (qmail 18625 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 13:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 13:43:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B38EE182A2 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:43:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774E6E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:43:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D7A19E6B0 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:43:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6A519E6A0 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:43:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:43:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3776 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2009 13:43:09 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2009 13:43:09 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF5796C.5080500@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:43:08 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> <27f57c7d0911070526n4b9da935x6b8362d8c8f09659@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <27f57c7d0911070526n4b9da935x6b8362d8c8f09659@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091106-2, 11/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 14:43:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af57976300781234514069 You seem to be front focusing with this lens on the 5D. What little available DOF there is is all in front of the subject... at least on the black cat shots. Chuck Norcutt andrew elliott wrote: > All photos were taken with lens wide open. I am not carrying that thing > around and then using it at f5.6 :) > > > > > > 2009/11/7 Wiliam Wagenaar > >> Hi Andrew, >> >> I think Dawid will be happy with any Zuiko 250mm photos for now. I think >> you also shot wide open, just like Dawid wanted. They show some very >> nice shallow DOF. >> >> Welcome on Flickr, although some among us hate the site. Adding a link >> to your photos is quite easy: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewelliottgalbally >> >> I am afraid that you did not add the quotes for the tags though. All >> tags appear as seperate words. >> >> Wiliam >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>> Van: andrew elliott [mailto:andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com] >>> Verzonden: zaterdag 7 november 2009 13:49 >>> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >>> Onderwerp: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples >> > >>> Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I >>> have taken a few with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are >>> now on flickr. This is my first attempt at using flickr, (as >>> well as first time with 250mm on the c*n*n), so please >>> forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should >>> supply a link to the photos. My user name on flickr is >>> andrewelliottgalbally and I have tagged photos as "Zuiko >>> 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! >>> >>> Andrew >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >>> Versie: 9.0.698 / Virusdatabase: 270.14.52/2484 - datum van >>> uitgifte: 11/07/09 08:38:00 >>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 14:48:43 2009 Received: (qmail 4713 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 13:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 13:48:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CF9E1824E for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB304E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:48:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0608334AC025 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:48:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F19A34AC024 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:48:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so1855822ewy.14 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:48:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.5 with SMTP id b5mr1741433wef.143.1257601714769; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:48:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF5796C.5080500@chucknorcutt.com> References: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> <27f57c7d0911070526n4b9da935x6b8362d8c8f09659@mail.gmail.com> <4AF5796C.5080500@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:48:34 +0000 Message-ID: <27f57c7d0911070548s38d2e02eo1c2c40c6a52b1f0f@mail.gmail.com> From: andrew elliott To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 14:48:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af57abb306521234514069 I was surprised at how difficult it was to focus on the 5d. Maybe my eyes aren't what they used to be. I might try playing with the eyepiece adjustment and repeat the exercise using a tripod rather than handheld, (if it would only stop raining here) Andrew 2009/11/7 Chuck Norcutt > You seem to be front focusing with this lens on the 5D. What little > available DOF there is is all in front of the subject... at least on the > black cat shots. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > andrew elliott wrote: > > All photos were taken with lens wide open. I am not carrying that thing > > around and then using it at f5.6 :) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/7 Wiliam Wagenaar > > > >> Hi Andrew, > >> > >> I think Dawid will be happy with any Zuiko 250mm photos for now. I think > >> you also shot wide open, just like Dawid wanted. They show some very > >> nice shallow DOF. > >> > >> Welcome on Flickr, although some among us hate the site. Adding a link > >> to your photos is quite easy: > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewelliottgalbally > >> > >> I am afraid that you did not add the quotes for the tags though. All > >> tags appear as seperate words. > >> > >> Wiliam > >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >>> Van: andrew elliott [mailto:andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com] > >>> Verzonden: zaterdag 7 november 2009 13:49 > >>> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > >>> Onderwerp: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples > >> > > >>> Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I > >>> have taken a few with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are > >>> now on flickr. This is my first attempt at using flickr, (as > >>> well as first time with 250mm on the c*n*n), so please > >>> forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should > >>> supply a link to the photos. My user name on flickr is > >>> andrewelliottgalbally and I have tagged photos as "Zuiko > >>> 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! > >>> > >>> Andrew > >>> -- > >>> _________________________________________________________________ > >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > >>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > >>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > >>> Versie: 9.0.698 / Virusdatabase: 270.14.52/2484 - datum van > >>> uitgifte: 11/07/09 08:38:00 > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > >> > >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 15:12:51 2009 Received: (qmail 20815 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 14:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 14:12:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEABE181A3 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A14E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:12:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC2934AC027 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:12:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C661534AC026 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:12:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f212.google.com (mail-gx0-f212.google.com [209.85.217.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so1900190gxk.8 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:12:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.21.18 with SMTP id y18mr5603235ani.178.1257603164068; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:12:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <27f57c7d0911070548s38d2e02eo1c2c40c6a52b1f0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> <27f57c7d0911070526n4b9da935x6b8362d8c8f09659@mail.gmail.com> <4AF5796C.5080500@chucknorcutt.com> <27f57c7d0911070548s38d2e02eo1c2c40c6a52b1f0f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:12:44 +0100 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 15:12:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af58063127571560218263 The standard focussing screen is not very suited for manual focussing of fast lenses. I have the EE-S installed and prefer the a bit darker viewfinder for better focussing. Also the placement of the focussing screen is not always optimal and extra washers (or fewer) could be needed. The image quality is there! Iwert 2009/11/7 andrew elliott : > I was surprised at how difficult it was to focus on the 5d. Maybe my eyes > aren't what they used to be. I might try playing with the eyepiece > adjustment and repeat the exercise using a tripod rather than handheld, (= if > it would only stop raining here) > > > Andrew > > > > 2009/11/7 Chuck Norcutt > >> You seem to be front focusing with this lens on the 5D. =A0What little >> available DOF there is is all in front of the subject... at least on the >> black cat shots. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> andrew elliott wrote: >> > All photos were taken with lens wide open. I am not carrying that thing >> > around and then using it at f5.6 :) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2009/11/7 Wiliam Wagenaar >> > >> >> Hi Andrew, >> >> >> >> I think Dawid will be happy with any Zuiko 250mm photos for now. I th= ink >> >> you also shot wide open, just like Dawid wanted. They show some very >> >> nice shallow DOF. >> >> >> >> Welcome on Flickr, although some among us hate the site. Adding a link >> >> to your photos is quite easy: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewelliottgalbally >> >> >> >> I am afraid that you did not add the quotes for the tags though. All >> >> tags appear as seperate words. >> >> >> >> Wiliam >> >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> >>> Van: andrew elliott [mailto:andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com] >> >>> Verzonden: zaterdag 7 november 2009 13:49 >> >>> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >> >>> Onderwerp: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples >> >> =A0> >> >>> Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I >> >>> have taken a few with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are >> >>> now on flickr. This is my first attempt at using flickr, (as >> >>> well as first time with 250mm on the c*n*n), so please >> >>> forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should >> >>> supply a link to the photos. My user name on flickr is >> >>> andrewelliottgalbally and I have tagged photos as "Zuiko >> >>> 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! >> >>> >> >>> Andrew >> >>> -- >> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >> >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >> >>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >> >>> Versie: 9.0.698 / Virusdatabase: 270.14.52/2484 - datum van >> >>> uitgifte: 11/07/09 08:38:00 >> >>> >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> =A0_________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 15:47:02 2009 Received: (qmail 3170 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 14:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 14:47:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5397CE18279 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DACE240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E6634AC026 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:46:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A8434AC024 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:46:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nA7Ekpui026155 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 22:46:52 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <25063F6E10BC47C990E5588AF976BE82@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com><27f57c7d0911070526n4b9da935x6b8362d8c8f09659@mail.gmail.com><4AF5796C.5080500@chucknorcutt.com><27f57c7d0911070548s38d2e02eo1c2c40c6a52b1f0f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 22:46:26 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 15:47:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af58866126031073733319 I also have the EG-S installed for my 5D II, with a F2 lens there could be focus shift with the standard bright screen, I had experience problem with the 90/2. IMO the MF focusing system of Canyon is not as good as OM, the focusing screen is pushing up by spring on the lower side (FS holder), there are two spacers and a thick plastic (with focusing point) before the focusing screen, any dust of dirty get between them will affect focusing accuracy. It seems that sometime I have to re-lock the focusing screen to get accurate focus. For the OM, the lower side of the FS holder is the focus determination point, there is no further parts which will affect the focus and the pusher is from top to bottom. BTW, the OOF characteristic of 250/2 looks excellent! http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewelliottgalbally/4082136121/sizes/l/ C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "iwert bernakiewicz" The standard focussing screen is not very suited for manual focussing of fast lenses. I have the EE-S installed and prefer the a bit darker viewfinder for better focussing. Also the placement of the focussing screen is not always optimal and extra washers (or fewer) could be needed. The image quality is there! Iwert 2009/11/7 andrew elliott : > I was surprised at how difficult it was to focus on the 5d. Maybe my eyes > aren't what they used to be. I might try playing with the eyepiece > adjustment and repeat the exercise using a tripod rather than handheld, > (if > it would only stop raining here) > > > Andrew > > > > 2009/11/7 Chuck Norcutt > >> You seem to be front focusing with this lens on the 5D. What little >> available DOF there is is all in front of the subject... at least on the >> black cat shots. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> andrew elliott wrote: >> > All photos were taken with lens wide open. I am not carrying that thing >> > around and then using it at f5.6 :) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2009/11/7 Wiliam Wagenaar >> > >> >> Hi Andrew, >> >> >> >> I think Dawid will be happy with any Zuiko 250mm photos for now. I >> >> think >> >> you also shot wide open, just like Dawid wanted. They show some very >> >> nice shallow DOF. >> >> >> >> Welcome on Flickr, although some among us hate the site. Adding a link >> >> to your photos is quite easy: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewelliottgalbally >> >> >> >> I am afraid that you did not add the quotes for the tags though. All >> >> tags appear as seperate words. >> >> >> >> Wiliam >> >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> >>> Van: andrew elliott [mailto:andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com] >> >>> Verzonden: zaterdag 7 november 2009 13:49 >> >>> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >> >>> Onderwerp: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples >> >> > >> >>> Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I >> >>> have taken a few with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are >> >>> now on flickr. This is my first attempt at using flickr, (as >> >>> well as first time with 250mm on the c*n*n), so please >> >>> forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should >> >>> supply a link to the photos. My user name on flickr is >> >>> andrewelliottgalbally and I have tagged photos as "Zuiko >> >>> 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! >> >>> >> >>> Andrew >> >>> -- >> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >> >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >> >>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >> >>> Versie: 9.0.698 / Virusdatabase: 270.14.52/2484 - datum van >> >>> uitgifte: 11/07/09 08:38:00 >> >>> >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 16:00:47 2009 Received: (qmail 7089 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 15:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 15:00:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494EBE18244 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EEA9E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:00:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CAC34AC025 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:00:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB6134AC024 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:00:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:00:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28500 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2009 15:00:39 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091106-2, 11/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 16:00:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af58b9f181502517112723 I was going to suggest that perhaps it would work better if you had the Ee-S screen for lenses of f/2.8 or faster. But I just noticed that B&H says the screen has been discontinued. Chuck Norcutt andrew elliott wrote: > I was surprised at how difficult it was to focus on the 5d. Maybe my eyes > aren't what they used to be. I might try playing with the eyepiece > adjustment and repeat the exercise using a tripod rather than handheld, (if > it would only stop raining here) > > > Andrew > > > > 2009/11/7 Chuck Norcutt > >> You seem to be front focusing with this lens on the 5D. What little >> available DOF there is is all in front of the subject... at least on the >> black cat shots. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> andrew elliott wrote: >>> All photos were taken with lens wide open. I am not carrying that thing >>> around and then using it at f5.6 :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2009/11/7 Wiliam Wagenaar >>> >>>> Hi Andrew, >>>> >>>> I think Dawid will be happy with any Zuiko 250mm photos for now. I think >>>> you also shot wide open, just like Dawid wanted. They show some very >>>> nice shallow DOF. >>>> >>>> Welcome on Flickr, although some among us hate the site. Adding a link >>>> to your photos is quite easy: >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewelliottgalbally >>>> >>>> I am afraid that you did not add the quotes for the tags though. All >>>> tags appear as seperate words. >>>> >>>> Wiliam >>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>>> Van: andrew elliott [mailto:andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com] >>>>> Verzonden: zaterdag 7 november 2009 13:49 >>>>> Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion >>>>> Onderwerp: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples >>>> > >>>>> Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I >>>>> have taken a few with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are >>>>> now on flickr. This is my first attempt at using flickr, (as >>>>> well as first time with 250mm on the c*n*n), so please >>>>> forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should >>>>> supply a link to the photos. My user name on flickr is >>>>> andrewelliottgalbally and I have tagged photos as "Zuiko >>>>> 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! >>>>> >>>>> Andrew >>>>> -- >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >>>>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Versie: 9.0.698 / Virusdatabase: 270.14.52/2484 - datum van >>>>> uitgifte: 11/07/09 08:38:00 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>> >>>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 16:21:16 2009 Received: (qmail 21969 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 15:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 15:21:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C56E18244 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71752E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFC719E9DE for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:21:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD7E19E9E4 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:21:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12246 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2009 15:21:09 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091106-2, 11/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Printers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 16:21:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5906c135731258626592 Since I've wanted a CD/DVD printer I decided to spring for the HP D7560 myself after finding it at Newegg this morning on sale for $99.99. My option was to go out and spend $60+ for new cartridges for the old Epson. From the reviews it sounds like it's a pretty good photo printer if you can put up with its idiosyncracies in getting there. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Interesting commentary on that page noting one review calling the ink > "expensive". But according to CR it has the lowest per print cost of > all the printers they tested... and by a substantial margin. Sounds > like you're off to a good start with the Artisan. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Candace Lemarr wrote: >> That's timely. >> >> I did look at the HP models you've mentioned. Funny, as the D7560 is >> available here in town for 150.00 and it is listed as a printer that the >> Acoustica software would work with. So, that makes the printer 172.00 >> (cost of software 22.00). I was seriously considering it. Then I went >> online and found this site and these reviews, and it didn't seem like >> such a great deal after all. >> http://www.consumersearch.com/inkjet-printers/hp-photosmart-d7560 >> >> I don't know why I didn't mention this in my initial post, but aside >> from the annoying cd print software that HP insists on using, the HP >> printer that I returned earlier this year (a "c" model) took an >> unbelievably long time to install. It took over 70 minutes, and then it >> hung, and I couldn't do a thing without calling HP, and that phone call >> took over an hour at which time they tried to up-sell me to a model that >> was roughly $500.00. After all of that, the very first thing I did was >> try to make a CD label. I wasn't very happy. Because we all have over 2 >> hours to waste trying to put a piece of equipment on our desk, only to >> find out it won't do well the one thing you purchased it for. >> >> All of my other printers have had about a 20-30 minutes setup time. I >> timed the Artisan 700 just to see and it was 22 minutes from the time I >> began peeling tape off the box until the time I printed my first test page. >> >> Candace >> >> >> >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> Here we are talking about printers when what should appear in the mail >>> today but the Consumer Reports Christmas issue with coverage of ink jet, >>> laser and all-in-one printers. I know some folks don't cotton much to >>> CR's ratings but I believe they can judge print quality as well as >>> anyone and the one piece of good info they have that you can't seem to >>> get elsewhere is cost per print. >>> >>> Much to my surprise I note that the only inkjets to even get mentioned >>> in this report are three HPs... the PhotoSmart D7560 ($150), the >>> OfficeJet Pro 8000 Wireless ($180) and the PhotoSmart D5460 ($100). All >>> are rated a "Best Buy". The PhotoSmarts have the best photo quality >>> printing while the OfficeJet is "above average" in photo work but is >>> best in text. A little digging on line showed that this report was done >>> earlier in the year and included more printers then from Canon, Epson >>> and Lexmark. The Canon Pixma iP4600 ($100) equaled the HP's photo print >>> quality and was also about 1/3 faster. But it appears not to have made >>> the final cut based on print cost. The Canon's cost for a 4x6 print was >>> $0.45. The HP PhotoSmarts were both at $0.35 while the OfficeJet was >>> $0.30. Some of the other printers were as high as $0.70 for a 4x6 print. >>> >>> Anyhow, I don't know anything about the detailed specs of these HP >>> printers but you've got the model numbers now and can go search. Aw, >>> heck. There's really only two of interest. >>> >>> >>> But the reviews on B&H for the D5460 (only two) say not to go there and >>> reiterate Candace's complaint about rudimentary CD print capability. >>> On the other hand the five B&H reviewers give the more expensive D7560 >>> high marks and one says the CD printing is good. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 16:35:47 2009 Received: (qmail 14011 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 15:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 15:35:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0E8E1824E for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC9DE240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3F819EA7E for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:35:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4FE19EA87 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:35:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:35:40 -0800 (PST) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ou8-nDE8AAAA:8 a=6ZWyc77_VAZXp7hdoigA:9 a=fTWLw2qzhIoNuv46ESAA:7 a=GSrn3Wem6ctcJzAQwI0odewJcScA:4 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1488] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id B2/78-06400-CC395FA4; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:35:40 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF593CA.2010402@bresnan.net> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:35:38 -0700 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4ae8deb8.9553f10a.09df.5a4b@mx.google.com> <4AE9A461.5050401@bresnan.net> <4AEA3270.8050002@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEAF55F.5010204@bresnan.net> <4AEB0BEF.6040409@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF59064.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF59064.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Printers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 16:35:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af593d3131749730998309 I can't even believe I am reading this right now! I will look into link you've provided. You don't want to know what's going on here. Dell lied to me about the shipping of the Artisan 50, lied that it was in stock, lied that I would have it by 11/03/09, and the printer isn't even set to be at their place until 11/14/09. And they don't care. So, now I have a box of the inks. A box with just the extended warranty papers in it. But no printer. I am SO tired of businesses that just don't care. Anyhow, I am trying to figure out what to do again. But have a full day with kids and their activities. I mean very full, might be home in time to go to bed. :-) On another note, I got to take pics at a scheduled training burn of a small home downtown on Thursday. That was fun, small, but fun. I was hoping to have a printer so I could give some snapshots to the firemen. I'll have to put them on cd and hope that their monitor is decent. And let them have the shots printed that they like on their own. I don't have any online yet. That's another issue. Still haven't found a RAW converter that I like for my E-30 ORF files. Yes, I'm toying with LR's beta 3.0, but it keeps hanging on me. Candace Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Since I've wanted a CD/DVD printer I decided to spring for the HP D7560 > myself after finding it at Newegg this morning on sale for $99.99. > > My option was to go out and spend $60+ for new cartridges for the old > Epson. From the reviews it sounds like it's a pretty good photo printer > if you can put up with its idiosyncracies in getting there. > > Chuck Norcutt > >>>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 17:13:46 2009 Received: (qmail 29928 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 16:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 16:13:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6311E182AD for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72184E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BBA34AC027 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:13:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EB834AC024 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:13:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2815D4618A6 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:41:05 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:13:37 +0000 Message-Id: <23BD122B-18B7-4980-9EA0-CD6D1D180465@threeshoes.net> References: <380-220091145133421177@earthlink.net> <66330E92-75FC-43C6-9B92-DFAB2D22749D@people.net.au> <9724DDF971874C47B168DEE9D4C8EC20@SueHome> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] Daft X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 17:13:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af59cba281971258626592 Very easy to look at, they are, Andrew. And I like the lighting. Chris On 6 Nov 2009, at 10:32, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Haven't you worked it out yet - you can't tell by looking?! > They aren't anyway - just a couple of playful girls - ex-students of > mine and very good, fun company. > Thanks for looking. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 17:35:15 2009 Received: (qmail 5806 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 16:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 16:35:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49D2E182A3 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5A1E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A40519EC64 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:35:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B669219EC63 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:35:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:35:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2135743bwz.30 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:35:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.50.32 with SMTP id c32mr2277724muk.1.1257611707345; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:35:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF5796C.5080500@chucknorcutt.com> References: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> <27f57c7d0911070526n4b9da935x6b8362d8c8f09659@mail.gmail.com> <4AF5796C.5080500@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:35:07 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911070835m50b1ef9cjcd9fd4cd33bd86e7@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 17:35:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5a1c38721006886880 You seem to have had a successful recovery. :-) Fernando. 2009/11/7 Chuck Norcutt : > You seem to be front focusing with this lens on the 5D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 17:40:05 2009 Received: (qmail 29719 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 16:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 16:40:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933ADE18244 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F46E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABC734AC028 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:39:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F7634AC025 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:39:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7210 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2009 16:39:56 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091106-2, 11/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Printers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 17:40:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5a2e5271861950411718 Also, with Newegg there was no sales tax and also free shipping so the total outlay was $99.99. HP is also selling this on their web site for $99.99 but there I'd have to add about $28 for shipping and tax. The worst part of this deal I think will be having to give up the various printer/paper profiles for the Epson that I've built and accumulated over several years. I had some help from a friend with a high class colorimeter but that kind of help is no longer available. Chuck Norcutt Candace Lemarr wrote: > I can't even believe I am reading this right now! > I will look into link you've provided. > You don't want to know what's going on here. > Dell lied to me about the shipping of the Artisan 50, lied that it was > in stock, lied that I would have it by 11/03/09, and the printer isn't > even set to be at their place until 11/14/09. And they don't care. So, > now I have a box of the inks. A box with just the extended warranty > papers in it. But no printer. > I am SO tired of businesses that just don't care. > > Anyhow, I am trying to figure out what to do again. > But have a full day with kids and their activities. I mean very full, > might be home in time to go to bed. :-) > > On another note, I got to take pics at a scheduled training burn of a > small home downtown on Thursday. That was fun, small, but fun. > I was hoping to have a printer so I could give some snapshots to the > firemen. I'll have to put them on cd and hope that their monitor is > decent. And let them have the shots printed that they like on their own. > I don't have any online yet. > > That's another issue. Still haven't found a RAW converter that I like > for my E-30 ORF files. Yes, I'm toying with LR's beta 3.0, but it keeps > hanging on me. > > Candace > > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Since I've wanted a CD/DVD printer I decided to spring for the HP D7560 >> myself after finding it at Newegg this morning on sale for $99.99. >> >> My option was to go out and spend $60+ for new cartridges for the old >> Epson. From the reviews it sounds like it's a pretty good photo printer >> if you can put up with its idiosyncracies in getting there. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >>>>> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 17:42:49 2009 Received: (qmail 3006 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 16:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 16:42:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D061CE18148 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F31E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C08B34AC026 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:42:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1882334AC024 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:42:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:42:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <11340896.17821257612972400.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1) with SMTP ID 233 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:56:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:42:38 +0200 References: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 17:42:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5a389187059752976205 Thank you very much Andrew, I enjoyed seeing some sample images. Amazing subject isolation possible with this lens... BTW, your 250mm + OM-3Ti is a beaufiul combination... *drool* Now where are the same images of the 250mm on the OM body? Or are you just a collector? :-) On 07 Nov 2009, at 2:49 PM, andrew elliott wrote: > Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I have > taken a few > with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are now on flickr. This is > my first > attempt at using flickr, (as well as first time with 250mm on the > c*n*n), so > please forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should > supply a > link to the photos. My user name on flickr is andrewelliottgalbally > and I > have tagged photos as "Zuiko 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! > > Andrew -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 17:58:07 2009 Received: (qmail 24380 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 16:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 16:58:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6353AE181DE for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD6FE240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:58:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7420D34AC027 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:58:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2ED34AC026 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:58:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18984 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2009 16:58:00 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091106-2, 11/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 17:58:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5a71f278629730998309 I'm getting there. Right now I have 20/30 vision in the left eye and good focus starting at about 1.5 meters. The doctor says I still have some internal swelling so my vision may continue to improve over the next 1-2 weeks. On Monday the right cataract is coming out too. I think I may do some test shots today with the 5D and some OM mount lenses all focused with the left eye to see how good (or bad) it is. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > You seem to have had a successful recovery. > > :-) > > Fernando. > > 2009/11/7 Chuck Norcutt : >> You seem to be front focusing with this lens on the 5D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 18:06:50 2009 Received: (qmail 15573 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 17:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 17:06:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D86AE1822B for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9490CE240E5 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:06:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BB334AC026 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:06:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0497234AC025 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:06:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.59.32] (32.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.32]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FB53DAA67 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:06:36 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:06:04 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AF65FCC.11018.4CF962@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091107-0, 07/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] (OM) Re: Indecent exposure (again) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 18:06:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5a92a175361413256596 I am very grateful for the help I have had in this matter: To recapitulate .... (from Rickard) Chuck Norcutt described the remedy to those two points in an earlier post. The trick is the following: * Set the camera to manual exposure and manual focus. * Configure the AEL/AFL setting to mode "M3". This will cause the AEL/AFL button to work as a "focus-on-demand"-button. Remember to activate only the middle focus point, for consistent behaviour. * Set the function of the thumb dial to Shutter (in Manual mode). * If you like, switch the FN and AEL/AFL buttons so the focus function is available to you just below the thumb dial. With these settings, it is simple to get consistent exposure and focusing: 1. Set ISO. 2. Set aperture (by pressing the +/- button and turning the dial at the same time) 3. Point the camera towards something you like to set your exposure after. You can use either spot or pattern metering. Adjust the shutter time by turning the thumb dial. You can directly read out the amount of over- or underexposure the camera thinks you are doing, both in the viewfinder and on the LCD. You can configure both the direction of the thumb dial, and the amount it should increase/decrease shutter time. I prefer to have it to increase the shutter time a half stop when I turn it right. That makes sense when shifting aperture on manual Zuikos too. 4. Point the camera towards something you want to focus on, and press the AEL/AFL (or FN) button. 5. Now, exposure and focus is set, you can freely compose and then take the photo. The camera won't change any setting when you press the shutter button. Since all settings will remain after the shot, you often just have to change the focus for the next shot. Regards, Rickard Nilsson ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Now I have a feeling somewhat akin to panic. Yes, this configuration DOES work. I'm amazed. It requires a deliberate approach which is what I wanted and gives me full control and responsibility over exposure and focus. But what if I want (as sometimes happens to all of us, I'm sure) to grab the camera and just fire off a shot or two to capture something taking place unexpectedly and fast, leaving the camera to manage exposure and speed control (I prefer aperture priority). I can't do that now ... ... I remember AG, I think it was, writing that he had set up his camera for two users with different needs. Seems to me that I now need to have that ability in the E-3, otherwise I'm hamstrung for grab-shot situations. I don't want to HAVE to carry two cameras ALL the time, "just in case". Can someone please point me to the menu area? The manual for the E-3 is worse than obfuscating legal documents - the devil is in the detail (and the consequences are not spelled out well at all). Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 18:06:56 2009 Received: (qmail 7400 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 17:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 17:06:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBED9E182A4 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A5EE240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:06:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDCA34AC027 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:06:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CDF34AC026 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:06:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mx.southnet.co.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.59.32] (32.59.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.59.32]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C383DA84B for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:06:35 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:06:03 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AF65FCB.11344.4CF7CB@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091107-0, 07/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 18:06:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5a930229776789618724 I notice that some of us when writing an URL which points to a jpeg image, their URL ends in ...jpg.htm or ..jpg.html My understanding of web language is that adding either <.htm> or <.html> is superfluous, and that <.jpg> is quite sufficient. Am I correct, or has there been a change in standards that I missed? Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 18:12:22 2009 Received: (qmail 12347 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 17:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 17:12:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FF3E1822E for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:12:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32C8E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE92819ED48 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:12:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2837C19ED36 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:12:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1N6opk-0003ck-0x for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:12:16 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1N6opj-0006JW-FN for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:12:15 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF5AA6C.8000600@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:12:12 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF65FCB.11344.4CF7CB@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4AF65FCB.11344.4CF7CB@bj.caverock.net.nz> Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 18:12:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5aa7612051560218263 Brian Swale wrote: > I notice that some of us when writing an URL which points to a jpeg image, > their URL ends in ...jpg.htm or ..jpg.html > > My understanding of web language is that adding either <.htm> or <.html> > is superfluous, and that <.jpg> is quite sufficient. > > Am I correct, or has there been a change in standards that I missed? > > Brian Swale. No, it'll just be a page using the filename as part of the URL. Maybe an automatically generated one from some prog or another? D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 18:22:35 2009 Received: (qmail 9305 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 17:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 17:22:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84215E181CD for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991D9E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748F019ED72 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:22:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F62819EB96 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:22:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl03.gs02.gridserver.com (cl03.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-127-85-128.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.85.128]:50991 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl03.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1N6ozb-0000bF-Gz for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:22:29 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:22:38 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs Thread-Index: AcpfzucvJfmjpcvCEd66jAAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4AF5AA6C.8000600@blueyonder.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 18:22:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5acdb55541950411718 Actually, unless there is a file called filename.jpg.htm on the server you'll get an error page not found. URLs must be exact with the correct extensions. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 11/7/09 12:12 PM, "Donald" wrote: > Brian Swale wrote: >> I notice that some of us when writing an URL which points to a jpeg image, >> their URL ends in ...jpg.htm or ..jpg.html >> >> My understanding of web language is that adding either <.htm> or <.html> >> is superfluous, and that <.jpg> is quite sufficient. >> >> Am I correct, or has there been a change in standards that I missed? >> >> Brian Swale. > > No, it'll just be a page using the filename as part of the URL. Maybe an > automatically generated one from some prog or another? > > D. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 18:25:51 2009 Received: (qmail 15811 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 17:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 17:25:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE72EE18277 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE4EE240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:25:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB8C19ED81 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:25:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3E519ED80 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:25:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:25:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2161969bwz.30 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:25:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.15.145 with SMTP id k17mr953615bka.212.1257614743928; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:25:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF5A2DB.8090806@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4ae8deb8.9553f10a.09df.5a4b@mx.google.com> <4AE9A461.5050401@bresnan.net> <4AEA3270.8050002@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEAF55F.5010204@bresnan.net> <4AEB0BEF.6040409@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF59064.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF593CA.2010402@bresnan.net> <4AF5A2DB.8090806@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:25:43 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9682b4b09c78a8f8 Message-ID: <9f07ac840911070925q52273ceaua16c5facefe9c112@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Printers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 18:25:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5ad9f275235683411216 Do I recall you're a Vuescan user - as long as you have an IT8 target (<$10) and any ol' flatbed scanner you can make your own printer profiles... Jez On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Also, with Newegg there was no sales tax and also free shipping so the > total outlay was $99.99. HP is also selling this on their web site for > $99.99 but there I'd have to add about $28 for shipping and tax. > > The worst part of this deal I think will be having to give up the > various printer/paper profiles for the Epson that I've built and > accumulated over several years. I had some help from a friend with a > high class colorimeter but that kind of help is no longer available. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Candace Lemarr wrote: > > I can't even believe I am reading this right now! > > I will look into link you've provided. > > You don't want to know what's going on here. > > Dell lied to me about the shipping of the Artisan 50, lied that it was > > in stock, lied that I would have it by 11/03/09, and the printer isn't > > even set to be at their place until 11/14/09. And they don't care. So, > > now I have a box of the inks. A box with just the extended warranty > > papers in it. But no printer. > > I am SO tired of businesses that just don't care. > > > > Anyhow, I am trying to figure out what to do again. > > But have a full day with kids and their activities. I mean very full, > > might be home in time to go to bed. :-) > > > > On another note, I got to take pics at a scheduled training burn of a > > small home downtown on Thursday. That was fun, small, but fun. > > I was hoping to have a printer so I could give some snapshots to the > > firemen. I'll have to put them on cd and hope that their monitor is > > decent. And let them have the shots printed that they like on their own. > > I don't have any online yet. > > > > That's another issue. Still haven't found a RAW converter that I like > > for my E-30 ORF files. Yes, I'm toying with LR's beta 3.0, but it keeps > > hanging on me. > > > > Candace > > > > > > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Since I've wanted a CD/DVD printer I decided to spring for the HP D7560 > >> myself after finding it at Newegg this morning on sale for $99.99. > >> < > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828115239&cm_re=hp_D7560-_-28-115-239-_-Product > > > >> My option was to go out and spend $60+ for new cartridges for the old > >> Epson. From the reviews it sounds like it's a pretty good photo printer > >> if you can put up with its idiosyncracies in getting there. > >> > >> Chuck Norcutt > >> > >>>>> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 18:27:31 2009 Received: (qmail 31743 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 17:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 17:27:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C741CE182A4 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:27:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7531BE240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E53C19ED90 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:27:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2F619ED83 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:27:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2162722bwz.30 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:27:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.85 with SMTP id n21mr6018531bkw.171.1257614844113; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:27:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4AF5AA6C.8000600@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:27:23 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ae41a66efb2d0ab4 Message-ID: <9f07ac840911070927k45c50890m9269aad869f1d7b3@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 18:27:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5ae0363701357919056 But if you don't put any filename it'll look in the specified folder for something it can use - like default.htm(l) or index.htm(l) - wonder if it'll display a jpg if that's all it finds? Jez On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > Actually, unless there is a file called filename.jpg.htm on the server > you'll get an error page not found. URLs must be exact with the correct > extensions. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-424-0897 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > > On 11/7/09 12:12 PM, "Donald" wrote: > > > Brian Swale wrote: > >> I notice that some of us when writing an URL which points to a jpeg > image, > >> their URL ends in ...jpg.htm or ..jpg.html > >> > >> My understanding of web language is that adding either <.htm> or > <.html> > >> is superfluous, and that <.jpg> is quite sufficient. > >> > >> Am I correct, or has there been a change in standards that I missed? > >> > >> Brian Swale. > > > > No, it'll just be a page using the filename as part of the URL. Maybe an > > automatically generated one from some prog or another? > > > > D. > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 18:33:52 2009 Received: (qmail 22190 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 17:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 17:33:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2D5E182A8 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AB0E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B69E34AC025 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:33:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0AC34AC024 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:33:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:33:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2166035bwz.30 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:33:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.32.76 with SMTP id b12mr1336993bkd.165.1257615223163; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:33:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:33:43 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fb268adc07a6fcad Message-ID: <9f07ac840911070933p6c7fc557v38e7aab5213fa280@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 18:33:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5af80277029730998309 Oh drool - and to see it on a 3ti too! Jez On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM, andrew elliott < andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com> wrote: > Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I have taken a few > with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are now on flickr. This is my first > attempt at using flickr, (as well as first time with 250mm on the c*n*n), > so > please forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should supply a > link to the photos. My user name on flickr is andrewelliottgalbally and I > have tagged photos as "Zuiko 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! > > Andrew > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 18:35:13 2009 Received: (qmail 11668 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 17:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 17:35:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98AA7E181CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B666E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:34:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7650D19EDBC for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:34:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E7C19EDB6 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:34:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: whatever.com is listed in jp.surbl.org X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (davidt@omega.apdata.com.au whitelisted) Received: from cerberus.apdata.com.au (cerberus.apdata.com.au [202.14.95.17]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:34:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from cerberus.apdata.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cerberus.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F552E017 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 04:04:39 +1030 (CST) Received: from mail.apdata.com.au (mail.apdata.com.au [192.168.252.16]) by cerberus.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FABB2E019 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 04:04:38 +1030 (CST) Received: from mail.apdata.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EE7116E92 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 04:04:38 +1030 (CST) Received: from misfire.omega.apdata.com.au (unknown [192.168.244.20]) by mail.apdata.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8359E116E91 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 04:04:37 +1030 (CST) Received: by misfire.omega.apdata.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3D2A8EBC24; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 04:04:37 +1030 (CST) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 04:04:37 +1030 From: David Thatcher To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <20091107173437.GA70474@misfire.omega.apdata.com.au> References: <4AF65FCB.11344.4CF7CB@bj.caverock.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AF65FCB.11344.4CF7CB@bj.caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/tasklogger.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.063 X-Kavpostfix-Config: /etc/mail/kavpostfix.cfg X-Kavpostfix-Perl: /etc/mail/testcode.pl X-Kavpostfix-Version: 5.114 X-Spam-Not-Checked: Message sender whitelisted X-Complete-Junk: NO X-NSGproxy-Conv: 172.31.254.5:14428 -> 67.131.251.53:25 X-NSGproxy-Policy: CERBERUS Outbound X-NSGproxy-Service: CERBERUS-SMTP X-NSGproxy-MsgID: 13a9dac1ffe054af5afb55bd950 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 18:35:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5afd1294041234514069 Hi Brian, you're up early! I'm 150 minutes west of you & contemplating retiring! Perhaps just one more of Mr Cooper's fine ales while I watch some more 1970's Aussie filmclips on Rage* ;) As you suggest, the actual URI of an image on the web would be "http://www.whatever.com/image.jpg" and your web browser would likely render that as an image on a white background. Usually this is 'unattractive' so gallery software can be used to greate a page with the 'look & feel' of the rest of the gallery, say: "http://www.whatever.com/image.jpg.html" that refers to it with an html tag like "img src=image.jpg" embedded (which would expect to find the image at the URI above), but display it with the 'style' of the rest of the gallery. davidt (* Rage is ABCTV's late night music program - tonight programmed by Ross Wilson an Aussie music icon...) On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 06:06:03AM +1300, Brian Swale wrote: > I notice that some of us when writing an URL which points to a jpeg image, > their URL ends in ...jpg.htm or ..jpg.html > > My understanding of web language is that adding either <.htm> or <.html> > is superfluous, and that <.jpg> is quite sufficient. > > Am I correct, or has there been a change in standards that I missed? > > Brian Swale. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 18:43:02 2009 Received: (qmail 6348 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 17:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 17:43:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C194E18148 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:43:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE2AE240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF7B34AC026 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:42:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9052B34AC025 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:42:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om-list@jkeller.com whitelisted) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1248 invoked by uid 503); 7 Nov 2009 17:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JeffKeller435) (om-list@24.4.38.220) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2009 17:42:54 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4AF5AA6C.8000600@blueyonder.co.uk> <9f07ac840911070927k45c50890m9269aad869f1d7b3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911070927k45c50890m9269aad869f1d7b3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:42:53 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01ca5fd1$bc6c2cd0$35448670$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Acpfz5ZrLmHGdps+SF2xwC9aGjpcIAAAN1Jw Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 18:43:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5b1a6189953900897491 Not likely to display a .jpg by default. For an apache server there is a config file httpd.conf listing the defaults: DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.php Jeff Keller -----Original Message----- From: Jez Cunningham [mailto:jez@cunningham.net] Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:27 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs But if you don't put any filename it'll look in the specified folder for something it can use - like default.htm(l) or index.htm(l) - wonder if it'll display a jpg if that's all it finds? Jez On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > Actually, unless there is a file called filename.jpg.htm on the server > you'll get an error page not found. URLs must be exact with the correct > extensions. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-424-0897 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > > On 11/7/09 12:12 PM, "Donald" wrote: > > > Brian Swale wrote: > >> I notice that some of us when writing an URL which points to a jpeg > image, > >> their URL ends in ...jpg.htm or ..jpg.html > >> > >> My understanding of web language is that adding either <.htm> or > <.html> > >> is superfluous, and that <.jpg> is quite sufficient. > >> > >> Am I correct, or has there been a change in standards that I missed? > >> > >> Brian Swale. > > > > No, it'll just be a page using the filename as part of the URL. Maybe an > > automatically generated one from some prog or another? > > > > D. > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 18:45:27 2009 Received: (qmail 14819 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 17:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 17:45:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CB8E1829F for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCC2E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:45:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C35E19EE0B for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:45:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816CA19EDF3 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:45:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:45:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2171922bwz.30 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:45:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.15.145 with SMTP id k17mr971287bka.212.1257615920038; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:45:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <000c01ca5fd1$bc6c2cd0$35448670$@com> References: <4AF5AA6C.8000600@blueyonder.co.uk> <9f07ac840911070927k45c50890m9269aad869f1d7b3@mail.gmail.com> <000c01ca5fd1$bc6c2cd0$35448670$@com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:45:19 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a02a33e25f3b912b Message-ID: <9f07ac840911070945l10d950dfqcf2d8c89feef7533@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 18:45:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5b23797101220213263 Ah, interesting. I always expected 'default.htm' and 'home.htm' to also be there cheers jez On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Jeff Keller wrote: > Not likely to display a .jpg by default. For an apache server there is a > config file httpd.conf listing the defaults: > > > DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.php > > > Jeff Keller > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jez Cunningham [mailto:jez@cunningham.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:27 AM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs > > But if you don't put any filename it'll look in the specified folder for > something it can use - like default.htm(l) or index.htm(l) - wonder if > it'll > display a jpg if that's all it finds? > Jez > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Chris Crawford < > chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com > > wrote: > > > Actually, unless there is a file called filename.jpg.htm on the server > > you'll get an error page not found. URLs must be exact with the correct > > extensions. > > > > > > -- > > Chris Crawford > > Fine Art Photography > > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > 260-424-0897 > > > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > > > > > > On 11/7/09 12:12 PM, "Donald" wrote: > > > > > Brian Swale wrote: > > >> I notice that some of us when writing an URL which points to a jpeg > > image, > > >> their URL ends in ...jpg.htm or ..jpg.html > > >> > > >> My understanding of web language is that adding either <.htm> or > > <.html> > > >> is superfluous, and that <.jpg> is quite sufficient. > > >> > > >> Am I correct, or has there been a change in standards that I missed? > > >> > > >> Brian Swale. > > > > > > No, it'll just be a page using the filename as part of the URL. Maybe > an > > > automatically generated one from some prog or another? > > > > > > D. > > > > > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 18:55:30 2009 Received: (qmail 25210 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 17:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 17:55:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4719E181AC for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8F4E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC9E34AC024 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:55:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2579134AC025 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:55:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om-list@jkeller.com whitelisted) Received: from server272.com (server272.com [64.14.68.49]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17657 invoked by uid 503); 7 Nov 2009 17:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO JeffKeller435) (om-list@24.4.38.220) by server272.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2009 17:55:22 -0000 From: "Jeff Keller" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4AF5AA6C.8000600@blueyonder.co.uk> <9f07ac840911070927k45c50890m9269aad869f1d7b3@mail.gmail.com> <000c01ca5fd1$bc6c2cd0$35448670$@com> <9f07ac840911070945l10d950dfqcf2d8c89feef7533@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911070945l10d950dfqcf2d8c89feef7533@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:55:21 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01ca5fd3$7a515850$6ef408f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Acpf0hfEkgWB7zJDR4WHQQY4JsbfvwAAMtow Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 18:55:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5b49254501879814018 Probably that is a default setting for the Microsoft server. The defaults are easy to change. Now if I could only figure out what one of the updates (probably a windows update) did to my desktop's debug server ... Jeff Keller -----Original Message----- From: Jez Cunningham [mailto:jez@cunningham.net] Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:45 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs Ah, interesting. I always expected 'default.htm' and 'home.htm' to also be there cheers jez On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Jeff Keller wrote: > Not likely to display a .jpg by default. For an apache server there is a > config file httpd.conf listing the defaults: > > > DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.php > > > Jeff Keller > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 19:11:47 2009 Received: (qmail 14733 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 18:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 18:11:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAB5E18256 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B15CE240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:11:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5637734AC026 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:11:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A015134AC025 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:11:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:11:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4581 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2009 18:11:39 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2009 18:11:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF5B85A.3020908@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:11:38 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4ae8deb8.9553f10a.09df.5a4b@mx.google.com> <4AE9A461.5050401@bresnan.net> <4AEA3270.8050002@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEAF55F.5010204@bresnan.net> <4AEB0BEF.6040409@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF59064.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF593CA.2010402@bresnan.net> <4AF5A2DB.8090806@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840911070925q52273ceaua16c5facefe9c112@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911070925q52273ceaua16c5facefe9c112@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091107-0, 11/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Printers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 19:11:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5b86325982517112723 Oh, I have the IT8 target and a good scanner but it still means I have to do the work. :-) Chuck Norcutt Jez Cunningham wrote: > Do I recall you're a Vuescan user - as long as you have an IT8 target (<$10) > and any ol' flatbed scanner you can make your own printer profiles... > Jez > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > >> Also, with Newegg there was no sales tax and also free shipping so the >> total outlay was $99.99. HP is also selling this on their web site for >> $99.99 but there I'd have to add about $28 for shipping and tax. >> >> The worst part of this deal I think will be having to give up the >> various printer/paper profiles for the Epson that I've built and >> accumulated over several years. I had some help from a friend with a >> high class colorimeter but that kind of help is no longer available. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Candace Lemarr wrote: >>> I can't even believe I am reading this right now! >>> I will look into link you've provided. >>> You don't want to know what's going on here. >>> Dell lied to me about the shipping of the Artisan 50, lied that it was >>> in stock, lied that I would have it by 11/03/09, and the printer isn't >>> even set to be at their place until 11/14/09. And they don't care. So, >>> now I have a box of the inks. A box with just the extended warranty >>> papers in it. But no printer. >>> I am SO tired of businesses that just don't care. >>> >>> Anyhow, I am trying to figure out what to do again. >>> But have a full day with kids and their activities. I mean very full, >>> might be home in time to go to bed. :-) >>> >>> On another note, I got to take pics at a scheduled training burn of a >>> small home downtown on Thursday. That was fun, small, but fun. >>> I was hoping to have a printer so I could give some snapshots to the >>> firemen. I'll have to put them on cd and hope that their monitor is >>> decent. And let them have the shots printed that they like on their own. >>> I don't have any online yet. >>> >>> That's another issue. Still haven't found a RAW converter that I like >>> for my E-30 ORF files. Yes, I'm toying with LR's beta 3.0, but it keeps >>> hanging on me. >>> >>> Candace >>> >>> >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>>> Since I've wanted a CD/DVD printer I decided to spring for the HP D7560 >>>> myself after finding it at Newegg this morning on sale for $99.99. >>>> < >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828115239&cm_re=hp_D7560-_-28-115-239-_-Product >>>> My option was to go out and spend $60+ for new cartridges for the old >>>> Epson. From the reviews it sounds like it's a pretty good photo printer >>>> if you can put up with its idiosyncracies in getting there. >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 19:37:39 2009 Received: (qmail 305 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 18:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 18:37:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642DAE182A9 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:37:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C05E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF00E34AC027 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:37:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476D534AC026 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:37:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl33.gs02.gridserver.com (cl33.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.42]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-127-85-128.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.85.128]:51338 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl33.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1N6qAE-000540-3D for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:37:32 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:37:41 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs Thread-Index: Acpf2WMuodhnHsvMEd6VMQAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911070945l10d950dfqcf2d8c89feef7533@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 19:37:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5be7385491258626592 Default is used with servers running coldfusion (default.cfm) and ASP.NET (default.asp) -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 11/7/09 12:45 PM, "Jez Cunningham" wrote: > Ah, interesting. I always expected 'default.htm' and 'home.htm' to also be > there > cheers > jez > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Jeff Keller wrote: > >> Not likely to display a .jpg by default. For an apache server there is a >> config file httpd.conf listing the defaults: >> >> >> DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.php >> >> >> Jeff Keller >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jez Cunningham [mailto:jez@cunningham.net] >> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:27 AM >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs >> >> But if you don't put any filename it'll look in the specified folder for >> something it can use - like default.htm(l) or index.htm(l) - wonder if >> it'll >> display a jpg if that's all it finds? >> Jez >> >> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Chris Crawford < >> chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com >>> wrote: >> >>> Actually, unless there is a file called filename.jpg.htm on the server >>> you'll get an error page not found. URLs must be exact with the correct >>> extensions. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Crawford >>> Fine Art Photography >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana >>> 260-424-0897 >>> >>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >>> >>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/7/09 12:12 PM, "Donald" wrote: >>> >>>> Brian Swale wrote: >>>>> I notice that some of us when writing an URL which points to a jpeg >>> image, >>>>> their URL ends in ...jpg.htm or ..jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> My understanding of web language is that adding either <.htm> or >>> <.html> >>>>> is superfluous, and that <.jpg> is quite sufficient. >>>>> >>>>> Am I correct, or has there been a change in standards that I missed? >>>>> >>>>> Brian Swale. >>>> >>>> No, it'll just be a page using the filename as part of the URL. Maybe >> an >>>> automatically generated one from some prog or another? >>>> >>>> D. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 20:40:42 2009 Received: (qmail 31021 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 19:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 19:40:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AC3E182A7 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:40:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232C5E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22DF34AC024 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:40:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DA734AC025 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:40:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so2016244ewy.14 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:40:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.67 with SMTP id z45mr481092wee.112.1257622831817; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:40:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <11340896.17821257612972400.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> References: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> <11340896.17821257612972400.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:40:31 +0000 Message-ID: <27f57c7d0911071140i5a885cbcycade19a2e19c51bf@mail.gmail.com> From: andrew elliott To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 20:40:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5cd3a36105368819438 I normally use a 4Ti as my everyday camera. Unfortunately work commitments has limited me to taking pictures of my kids, wife and cat recently. I would hope to have time to use the OM gear more but I have no good way of translating 35mm into digital. My old konica minolta dimage scanner will not work with vista and I could never seem to get good results from it anyway. There was a recent thread on using the zuiko 80mm macro to copy slides with a 5D so that might be worth a go. If it works I shall publish a few taken with a proper OM body. (And yes, I am an obsessive collector)!! Andrew 2009/11/7 Dawid Loubser > Thank you very much Andrew, I enjoyed seeing some sample images. > Amazing subject isolation possible with this lens... > > BTW, your 250mm + OM-3Ti is a beaufiul combination... *drool* > > Now where are the same images of the 250mm on the OM body? > Or are you just a collector? :-) > > On 07 Nov 2009, at 2:49 PM, andrew elliott wrote: > > > Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I have > > taken a few > > with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are now on flickr. This is > > my first > > attempt at using flickr, (as well as first time with 250mm on the > > c*n*n), so > > please forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should > > supply a > > link to the photos. My user name on flickr is andrewelliottgalbally > > and I > > have tagged photos as "Zuiko 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! > > > > Andrew > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 20:44:37 2009 Received: (qmail 12148 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 19:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 19:44:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908AAE1819F for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:44:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1DBE240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF2D19F691 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:44:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A27019EB98 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:44:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A380C96B4 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:16:31 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4AF65FCC.11018.4CF962@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:44:29 +0000 Message-Id: <9BB4BE35-242C-4C74-A38B-6F03745ABFB1@threeshoes.net> References: <4AF65FCC.11018.4CF962@bj.caverock.net.nz> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Re: Indecent exposure (again) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 20:44:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5ce25299221357919056 It took me a few readings of your email to understand what you wanted, Brian, but I can't help feeling that you are complicating matters somewhat, or that Rickard is, e.g. why press the +/- button to set the aperture with the thumbwheel? It's available on either wheel depending on how you have it set up. If I am in Aperture Priority the front wheel does the aperture adjustment and the rear adjusts the exposure compensation. But the other query you had, reference Ken Norton's advice for settings for each of 2 users, can probably be answered on page 33 of the E-3 Reference Manual. It talks about CUSTOM RESET and that's what you want, I think. Again, although I have set up Custom Reset for the E-3, as I did for the E-1 and for my Panasonic LX3, I very rarely use it. I keep the settings simple, I adjust the compensation if necessary and I shoot away. Chris On 7 Nov 2009, at 17:06, Brian Swale wrote: > Chuck Norcutt described the remedy to those two points in an earlier > post. The trick is the following: > > * Set the camera to manual exposure and manual focus. > > * Configure the AEL/AFL setting to mode "M3". This will cause the > AEL/AFL button to work > as a "focus-on-demand"-button. Remember to activate only the > middle > focus point, for consistent behaviour. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 21:27:50 2009 Received: (qmail 7630 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 20:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 20:27:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A2BE182A0 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:27:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4532E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:27:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F9119F867 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:27:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F1A19F847 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:27:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23462 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2009 20:27:41 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2009 20:27:41 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF5D83C.8030301@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:27:40 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF65FCC.11018.4CF962@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4AF65FCC.11018.4CF962@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091107-0, 11/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Re: Indecent exposure (again) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 21:27:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5d8461781950411718 I think you're getting yourself all worked up over a problem (fast moving light/subjects/etc) that is easily solved. But before venturing there let's dwell a moment on manual and aperture preferred exposure. I submit that manual exposure control with today's modern cameras (those having 1/3 stop exposure increments on shutter and aperture) is an easier and more straightforward way of effecting both aperture preferred and shutter preferred controls. Why is that? Consider an OM-2 which allows aperture preferred automation. You select the aperture and the camera selects the shutter speed. But if you don't like the camera's choice you have the option of turning the exposure compensation dial. This sort of begs the question about how you knew you needed to turn the exposure compensation dial and by how much but more on that later. But why did there have to be an exposure compensation dial? Because, on an OM-2, the shutter speed dial is only graduated in full stops. I think we all know that the exposure compensation dial on OM cameras operates by adjusting the ISO which can be done in 1/3 stop increments. But ask yourself why is this other "compensation" control needed. In my book it isn't. Why have a separate control whose real purpose in aperture preferred mode is really only to indirectly adjust the shutter speed. Why not just adjust the shutter speed directly? Well, directly adjusting the shutter speed in 1/3 stop increments in manual mode is exactly what you can do today that you couldn't do on an OM-2. So, simpler Av and Tv modes are both more easily implemented by switching into manual mode instead and preselecting either the aperture or shutter speed to your liking and adjusting the opposite control to the meter's recommendation or +/- a bit if you think the meter's lying to you a bit. So, how about those grab shots that take place unexpectedly and with little time for the poor photographer to think about exposure. That's why we (going back to the OM-2s) have the P mode (program or professional as prefer) on the dial. I can relate to that quite well. Several years ago I was covering a groom and his groomsmen preparing for his wedding while at his father's house not far from the church. The house being rather dark inside I was shooting with a slow shutter speed, moderately high ISO and flash. Without warning to me, father, groom and groomsmen suddenly walked out the front door into full sun and started hoofing it to the church about 3 blocks away. It was all I could do to gather my bags and run after them as fast as I could. I was in no mood for critical thinking so simply slipped the camera into P mode and made this and a few other related shots So, let P mode handle the unexpected. But here you do need a compensation setting since you're not directly controlling either shutter speed or aperture. But, if you can get a good exposure in manual mode now it either means that the meter is telling the truth or you know how much the meter is lying and can adjust for that. Whatever compensation tricks you already apply can also be applied in P mode. After studying some of your pics and their histograms you may learn that you can generalize as Moose does for his 5D. When in any auto mode he keeps a -2/3 exposure compensation set since the 5D has a tendency to overexpose. See, I don't think it's very complicated at all. You already know how to do it. You've just got to put a few of the pieces together. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > > Snip a bunch of stuff from Rickard about manual operation of the camera > Regards, > Rickard Nilsson > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Now I have a feeling somewhat akin to panic. Yes, this configuration DOES > work. I'm amazed. > > It requires a deliberate approach which is what I wanted and gives me full > control and responsibility over exposure and focus. > > But what if I want (as sometimes happens to all of us, I'm sure) to grab the > camera and just fire off a shot or two to capture something taking place > unexpectedly and fast, leaving the camera to manage exposure and speed > control (I prefer aperture priority). > > I can't do that now ... ... > > I remember AG, I think it was, writing that he had set up his camera for two > users with different needs. Seems to me that I now need to have that ability > in the E-3, otherwise I'm hamstrung for grab-shot situations. I don't want to > HAVE to carry two cameras ALL the time, "just in case". > > Can someone please point me to the menu area? > > The manual for the E-3 is worse than obfuscating legal documents - the > devil is in the detail (and the consequences are not spelled out well at all). > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 21:35:36 2009 Received: (qmail 21499 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 20:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 20:35:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F208AE18064 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35C3E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74B234AC028 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:35:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDD134AC026 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:35:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28292 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2009 20:35:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091107-0, 11/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 21:35:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5da18206736789618724 For much less than the price of an 80mm macro one could get a modest Win98/2000/XP machine that would be dedicated to running that (probably SCSI) scanner. Just one of thousands of options Not that I'd want to see you forego a nice macro lens though. :-) Chuck Norcutt andrew elliott wrote: > I normally use a 4Ti as my everyday camera. Unfortunately work commitments > has limited me to taking pictures of my kids, wife and cat recently. I would > hope to have time to use the OM gear more but I have no good way of > translating 35mm into digital. My old konica minolta dimage scanner will not > work with vista and I could never seem to get good results from it anyway. > There was a recent thread on using the zuiko 80mm macro to copy slides with > a 5D so that might be worth a go. If it works I shall publish a few taken > with a proper OM body. (And yes, I am an obsessive collector)!! > > Andrew > > 2009/11/7 Dawid Loubser > >> Thank you very much Andrew, I enjoyed seeing some sample images. >> Amazing subject isolation possible with this lens... >> >> BTW, your 250mm + OM-3Ti is a beaufiul combination... *drool* >> >> Now where are the same images of the 250mm on the OM body? >> Or are you just a collector? :-) >> >> On 07 Nov 2009, at 2:49 PM, andrew elliott wrote: >> >>> Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I have >>> taken a few >>> with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are now on flickr. This is >>> my first >>> attempt at using flickr, (as well as first time with 250mm on the >>> c*n*n), so >>> please forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should >>> supply a >>> link to the photos. My user name on flickr is andrewelliottgalbally >>> and I >>> have tagged photos as "Zuiko 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! >>> >>> Andrew >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 21:39:32 2009 Received: (qmail 19777 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 20:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 20:39:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD41E18255 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:39:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788E6E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:39:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6373934AC025 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:39:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076F734AC024 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:39:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:39:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30147 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2009 20:39:26 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2009 20:39:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF5DAFD.9080305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:39:25 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF65FCC.11018.4CF962@bj.caverock.net.nz> <9BB4BE35-242C-4C74-A38B-6F03745ABFB1@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <9BB4BE35-242C-4C74-A38B-6F03745ABFB1@threeshoes.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091107-0, 11/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Re: Indecent exposure (again) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 21:39:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5db0472921234514069 You missed a transmission where I questioned this too and Rickard realized he was playing back the procedure for one of the lesser E-things which only has one control dial. On an E-3 you do have two control dials and can directly change shutter speed and aperture. Maybe Brian missed it too since he quotes Rickard's original, but incorrect (for an E-3) instructions. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > It took me a few readings of your email to understand what you wanted, > Brian, but I can't help feeling that you are complicating matters > somewhat, or that Rickard is, e.g. why press the +/- button to set the > aperture with the thumbwheel? It's available on either wheel > depending on how you have it set up. If I am in Aperture Priority the > front wheel does the aperture adjustment and the rear adjusts the > exposure compensation. > > But the other query you had, reference Ken Norton's advice for > settings for each of 2 users, can probably be answered on page 33 of > the E-3 Reference Manual. It talks about CUSTOM RESET and that's what > you want, I think. > > Again, although I have set up Custom Reset for the E-3, as I did for > the E-1 and for my Panasonic LX3, I very rarely use it. I keep the > settings simple, I adjust the compensation if necessary and I shoot > away. > > Chris > > On 7 Nov 2009, at 17:06, Brian Swale wrote: > >> Chuck Norcutt described the remedy to those two points in an earlier >> post. The trick is the following: >> >> * Set the camera to manual exposure and manual focus. >> >> * Configure the AEL/AFL setting to mode "M3". This will cause the >> AEL/AFL button to work >> as a "focus-on-demand"-button. Remember to activate only the >> middle >> focus point, for consistent behaviour. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 21:46:04 2009 Received: (qmail 6045 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 20:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 20:46:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA39E182A8 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B529E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3A519F944 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:45:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A31C19F93D for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:45:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so2042928ewy.14 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:45:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.81 with SMTP id x59mr1962650wee.147.1257626755940; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:45:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF5DA10.6040905@chucknorcutt.com> References: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> <11340896.17821257612972400.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <27f57c7d0911071140i5a885cbcycade19a2e19c51bf@mail.gmail.com> <4AF5DA10.6040905@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:45:55 +0000 Message-ID: <27f57c7d0911071245l6edda6b5pc51470ba4e950e3e@mail.gmail.com> From: andrew elliott To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 21:46:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5dc8c119102517112723 As an obsessive collector, I've already got the lens. This gives me a good excuse to play with it! Andrew 2009/11/7 Chuck Norcutt > For much less than the price of an 80mm macro one could get a modest > Win98/2000/XP machine that would be dedicated to running that (probably > SCSI) scanner. Just one of thousands of options > > > Not that I'd want to see you forego a nice macro lens though. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > andrew elliott wrote: > > I normally use a 4Ti as my everyday camera. Unfortunately work > commitments > > has limited me to taking pictures of my kids, wife and cat recently. I > would > > hope to have time to use the OM gear more but I have no good way of > > translating 35mm into digital. My old konica minolta dimage scanner will > not > > work with vista and I could never seem to get good results from it > anyway. > > There was a recent thread on using the zuiko 80mm macro to copy slides > with > > a 5D so that might be worth a go. If it works I shall publish a few taken > > with a proper OM body. (And yes, I am an obsessive collector)!! > > > > Andrew > > > > 2009/11/7 Dawid Loubser > > > >> Thank you very much Andrew, I enjoyed seeing some sample images. > >> Amazing subject isolation possible with this lens... > >> > >> BTW, your 250mm + OM-3Ti is a beaufiul combination... *drool* > >> > >> Now where are the same images of the 250mm on the OM body? > >> Or are you just a collector? :-) > >> > >> On 07 Nov 2009, at 2:49 PM, andrew elliott wrote: > >> > >>> Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I have > >>> taken a few > >>> with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are now on flickr. This is > >>> my first > >>> attempt at using flickr, (as well as first time with 250mm on the > >>> c*n*n), so > >>> please forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should > >>> supply a > >>> link to the photos. My user name on flickr is andrewelliottgalbally > >>> and I > >>> have tagged photos as "Zuiko 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! > >>> > >>> Andrew > >> > >> -- > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > >> > >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 21:49:19 2009 Received: (qmail 2499 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 20:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 20:49:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5998BE181B2 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3772E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:49:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAC519F962 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:49:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C4619F5BC for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:49:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (andrewelliottgalbally@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so2044182ewy.14 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:49:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.74 with SMTP id d52mr2024078wef.51.1257626950749; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:49:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <27f57c7d0911071245l6edda6b5pc51470ba4e950e3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> <11340896.17821257612972400.JavaMail.root@mogli.solms.co.za> <27f57c7d0911071140i5a885cbcycade19a2e19c51bf@mail.gmail.com> <4AF5DA10.6040905@chucknorcutt.com> <27f57c7d0911071245l6edda6b5pc51470ba4e950e3e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:49:10 +0000 Message-ID: <27f57c7d0911071249m721749b1nffe79dee38f64c45@mail.gmail.com> From: andrew elliott To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 21:49:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5dd4f56211560218263 2009/11/7 andrew elliott > As an obsessive collector, I've already got the lens. This gives me a good > excuse to play with it! > > Andrew > > That Geeks site looks interesting. I wonder does anyone know of an equivalent site in UK or Ireland. (I live in Northern Ireland so either would do) > > > 2009/11/7 Chuck Norcutt > >> For much less than the price of an 80mm macro one could get a modest >> >> Win98/2000/XP machine that would be dedicated to running that (probably >> SCSI) scanner. Just one of thousands of options >> >> >> Not that I'd want to see you forego a nice macro lens though. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> andrew elliott wrote: >> > I normally use a 4Ti as my everyday camera. Unfortunately work >> commitments >> > has limited me to taking pictures of my kids, wife and cat recently. I >> would >> > hope to have time to use the OM gear more but I have no good way of >> > translating 35mm into digital. My old konica minolta dimage scanner will >> not >> > work with vista and I could never seem to get good results from it >> anyway. >> > There was a recent thread on using the zuiko 80mm macro to copy slides >> with >> > a 5D so that might be worth a go. If it works I shall publish a few >> taken >> > with a proper OM body. (And yes, I am an obsessive collector)!! >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> > 2009/11/7 Dawid Loubser >> > >> >> Thank you very much Andrew, I enjoyed seeing some sample images. >> >> Amazing subject isolation possible with this lens... >> >> >> >> BTW, your 250mm + OM-3Ti is a beaufiul combination... *drool* >> >> >> >> Now where are the same images of the 250mm on the OM body? >> >> Or are you just a collector? :-) >> >> >> >> On 07 Nov 2009, at 2:49 PM, andrew elliott wrote: >> >> >> >>> Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I have >> >>> taken a few >> >>> with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are now on flickr. This is >> >>> my first >> >>> attempt at using flickr, (as well as first time with 250mm on the >> >>> c*n*n), so >> >>> please forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should >> >>> supply a >> >>> link to the photos. My user name on flickr is andrewelliottgalbally >> >>> and I >> >>> have tagged photos as "Zuiko 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! >> >>> >> >>> Andrew >> >> >> >> -- >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 22:08:01 2009 Received: (qmail 2309 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 21:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 21:08:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90D6E181CF for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DF7E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F9034AC025 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:07:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBACD34AC024 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:07:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15066 invoked by uid 504); 7 Nov 2009 21:07:55 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091107-0, 11/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 22:08:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5e1b1206861220213263 Much of the Geeks gear is provided as an outlet for the manufacturer's refurbishing shops. I've never tried anything but IBM but some of the IBM/Lenovoe PCs you might find at the Geeks may also be found on IBM's site I assume the international manufacturers have international refurbishing outlets. Chuck Norcutt andrew elliott wrote: > 2009/11/7 andrew elliott > >> As an obsessive collector, I've already got the lens. This gives me a good >> excuse to play with it! >> >> Andrew >> >> That Geeks site looks interesting. I wonder does anyone know of an > equivalent site in UK or Ireland. (I live in Northern Ireland so either > would do) > >> >> 2009/11/7 Chuck Norcutt >> >>> For much less than the price of an 80mm macro one could get a modest >>> >>> Win98/2000/XP machine that would be dedicated to running that (probably >>> SCSI) scanner. Just one of thousands of options >>> >>> >>> Not that I'd want to see you forego a nice macro lens though. :-) >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> andrew elliott wrote: >>> > I normally use a 4Ti as my everyday camera. Unfortunately work >>> commitments >>>> has limited me to taking pictures of my kids, wife and cat recently. I >>> would >>>> hope to have time to use the OM gear more but I have no good way of >>>> translating 35mm into digital. My old konica minolta dimage scanner will >>> not >>>> work with vista and I could never seem to get good results from it >>> anyway. >>>> There was a recent thread on using the zuiko 80mm macro to copy slides >>> with >>>> a 5D so that might be worth a go. If it works I shall publish a few >>> taken >>>> with a proper OM body. (And yes, I am an obsessive collector)!! >>>> >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> 2009/11/7 Dawid Loubser >>>> >>>>> Thank you very much Andrew, I enjoyed seeing some sample images. >>>>> Amazing subject isolation possible with this lens... >>>>> >>>>> BTW, your 250mm + OM-3Ti is a beaufiul combination... *drool* >>>>> >>>>> Now where are the same images of the 250mm on the OM body? >>>>> Or are you just a collector? :-) >>>>> >>>>> On 07 Nov 2009, at 2:49 PM, andrew elliott wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Someone was wanting a few samples taken with the 250/f2. I have >>>>>> taken a few >>>>>> with my 250 on a c*n*n 5d mk1 and these are now on flickr. This is >>>>>> my first >>>>>> attempt at using flickr, (as well as first time with 250mm on the >>>>>> c*n*n), so >>>>>> please forgive the fuzzy focus. Also please advise on how I should >>>>>> supply a >>>>>> link to the photos. My user name on flickr is andrewelliottgalbally >>>>>> and I >>>>>> have tagged photos as "Zuiko 250mm f2.0" so maybe that would help! >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew >>>>> -- >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>>> >>>>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 23:09:22 2009 Received: (qmail 22762 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 22:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 22:09:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D234DE181D6 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48A5E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:09:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1BE3610001 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:09:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3253610002 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:09:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:09:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22294 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2009 22:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.125) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 22:02:40 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <23BD122B-18B7-4980-9EA0-CD6D1D180465@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:09:12 +1100 References: <380-220091145133421177@earthlink.net> <66330E92-75FC-43C6-9B92-DFAB2D22749D@people.net.au> <9724DDF971874C47B168DEE9D4C8EC20@SueHome> <23BD122B-18B7-4980-9EA0-CD6D1D180465@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Daft X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 23:09:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5f012138961006886880 Thanks mate - I have a friend who nags me all the time because I like even lighting too much. He prefers very dark pinhole and lensbaby style shots and thinks I overlight. Often I agree with him. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/11/2009, at 3:13 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Very easy to look at, they are, Andrew. And I like the lighting. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Nov 7 23:26:19 2009 Received: (qmail 31861 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2009 22:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 22:26:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC493E182A9 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073C3E240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE76F19FEDF for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:26:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3418519FEDA for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:26:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:26:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091107222611.ZRN11036.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:26:11 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 2NSC1d0034Z9Gks02NSCf2; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:26:12 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qrqso71NAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=Ou8-nDE8AAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=JFqvsuUb0e_e1NqUmb4A:9 a=H1kxbYx5fW3mmbrLLuQA:7 a=tt9-FtHmXiLJY0rBFrD0EN_oM00A:4 a=_x6GTltEcL4A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4030EBB00CE2424BAF133EED4C86FD86@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4ae8deb8.9553f10a.09df.5a4b@mx.google.com> <4AE9A461.5050401@bresnan.net> <4AEA3270.8050002@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEAF55F.5010204@bresnan.net> <4AEB0BEF.6040409@chucknorcutt.com><4AF59064.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF593CA.2010402@bresnan.net> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:26:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Printers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Nov 7 23:26:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af5f40b56251342116753 May I suggest eating an entire half gallon of chocolate ice cream straight out of the contaner? Bill pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Candace Lemarr" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Printers >I can't even believe I am reading this right now! > I will look into link you've provided. > You don't want to know what's going on here. > Dell lied to me about the shipping of the Artisan 50, lied that it was > in stock, lied that I would have it by 11/03/09, and the printer isn't > even set to be at their place until 11/14/09. And they don't care. So, > now I have a box of the inks. A box with just the extended warranty > papers in it. But no printer. > I am SO tired of businesses that just don't care. > > Anyhow, I am trying to figure out what to do again. > But have a full day with kids and their activities. I mean very full, > might be home in time to go to bed. :-) > > On another note, I got to take pics at a scheduled training burn of a > small home downtown on Thursday. That was fun, small, but fun. > I was hoping to have a printer so I could give some snapshots to the > firemen. I'll have to put them on cd and hope that their monitor is > decent. And let them have the shots printed that they like on their own. > I don't have any online yet. > > That's another issue. Still haven't found a RAW converter that I like > for my E-30 ORF files. Yes, I'm toying with LR's beta 3.0, but it keeps > hanging on me. > > Candace > > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Since I've wanted a CD/DVD printer I decided to spring for the HP D7560 >> myself after finding it at Newegg this morning on sale for $99.99. >> >> My option was to go out and spend $60+ for new cartridges for the old >> Epson. From the reviews it sounds like it's a pretty good photo printer >> if you can put up with its idiosyncracies in getting there. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >>>>> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.53/2486 - Release Date: 11/07/09 07:38:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 04:36:37 2009 Received: (qmail 2455 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 03:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 03:36:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B907EE1819D for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:36:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE9FE240CB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:36:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAA91A01FF for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:36:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE83A1A01FB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:36:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d58-104-127-65.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.104.127.65]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA83aQTn007661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:36:27 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4ae8deb8.9553f10a.09df.5a4b@mx.google.com> <4AE9A461.5050401@bresnan.net> <4AEA3270.8050002@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEAF55F.5010204@bresnan.net> <4AEB0BEF.6040409@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF59064.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF593CA.2010402@bresnan.net> <4AF5A2DB.8090806@chucknorcutt.com> <9f07ac840911070925q52273ceaua16c5facefe9c112@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840911070925q52273ceaua16c5facefe9c112@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:36:23 +1100 Message-ID: <002d01ca6024$a6097fd0$f21c7f70$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acpfz1rRyU+A/nyISayJyhThk7jOjAAVTaQQ Content-Language: en-au x-cr-puzzleid: {2454FA2B-6288-4239-86D4-C91A1CC955ED} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: Aa+8 BWkU Cw4a ECe8 EfKP FDSA GPgg GhgE Go70 G3ZT HAS9 HIeP IGpL I5U8 JDxP JYSR; 1; bwBsAHkAbQBwAHUAcwBAAHQAaABvAG0AYQBzAGMAbABhAHUAcwBlAG4ALgBuAGUAdAA=; Sosha1_v1; 7; {2454FA2B-6288-4239-86D4-C91A1CC955ED}; dwBhAHkAbgBlAGgAYQByAHIAaQBkAGcAZQBAAG8AcAB0AHUAcwBuAGUAdAAuAGMAbwBtAC4AYQB1AA==; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:36:21 GMT; VABlAHMAdAAgAG8AbgBsAHkAIAAtACAAcABsAGUAYQBzAGUAIABpAGcAbgBvAHIAZQAgACEA Subject: [OM] Test only - please ignore ! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 04:36:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af63cc539512439112457 ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 07:23:26 2009 Received: (qmail 27450 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 06:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 06:23:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8C9E182A7 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 22:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A90E240C1 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 22:23:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B533610003 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 22:23:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA3F3610002 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 22:23:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp05.register.it [81.88.48.55]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 22:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21576 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2009 06:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@83.40.198.146) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 8 Nov 2009 06:22:48 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:22:48 +0100 Message-Id: <296DCCE6-9DF6-4BAA-9D24-A2075428FF9E@frozenlight.eu> References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] ( OM ) Completion of URLs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 07:23:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af663de281381879814018 This is the kind of thing I NEVER worry about :-) When posting an image or a gallery, I simply go to the the relevant web site, and copy and paste the link from the browser to my e-mail, resulting in stuff like this: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/belgiangator/misc/20091030-L1008380.jpg.html So the Leica Gallery automatically does this jpg.html thing--but why worry? Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Nov 7, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: > Actually, unless there is a file called filename.jpg.htm on the server > you'll get an error page not found. URLs must be exact with the > correct > extensions. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-424-0897 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > > On 11/7/09 12:12 PM, "Donald" wrote: > >> Brian Swale wrote: >>> I notice that some of us when writing an URL which points to a >>> jpeg image, >>> their URL ends in ...jpg.htm or ..jpg.html >>> >>> My understanding of web language is that adding either <.htm> or >>> <.html> >>> is superfluous, and that <.jpg> is quite sufficient. >>> >>> Am I correct, or has there been a change in standards that I missed? >>> >>> Brian Swale. >> >> No, it'll just be a page using the filename as part of the URL. >> Maybe an >> automatically generated one from some prog or another? >> >> D. > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 09:57:55 2009 Received: (qmail 27427 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 08:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 08:57:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87C3E181CC for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 00:57:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D305DE240C1 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 00:57:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FB33610003 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 00:57:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDC53610001 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 00:57:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (div2000@mirko2.jazztel.es whitelisted) Received: from smtp01.jazztel.es (smtp01.jazztel.es [62.14.3.170]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 00:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [87.222.164.212] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by smtp01.jazztel.es with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N73ai-0007El-L9 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:57:44 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: David Irisarri Vila In-Reply-To: <296DCCE6-9DF6-4BAA-9D24-A2075428FF9E@frozenlight.eu> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:57:09 +0100 Message-Id: <2EB628D3-E582-4DE5-AA31-B40BB43041DB@mirko2.jazztel.es> References: <296DCCE6-9DF6-4BAA-9D24-A2075428FF9E@frozenlight.eu> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-AntiSpam-Checked: Passed : Threshold - 0.0 : SA jazztel.es X-Virus-Checked: Passed : Kaspersky at jazztel.es Subject: [OM] EP1 and EP2 shutter vibration X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 09:57:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af68813186392439112457 Hi all, I wonder if somebody could confirm this issue. Certainly it=B4s very = funny. Olympus removes the mirror, so it shouldn=B4t be any vibration, = and now it=B4s even worse without mirror. http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/EP1/EP1BLUR.HTM I can=B4t believe it! These days I have been having a look all E-P1 reviews, having a look = to demo images and after reading this info, I remembered these images = with blur issue. Have a look to Coco Chanel letters. The image was taken using Zuiko = 50/2!!! http://213.239.174.194/pixelmania.nl/Testbeelden/Olympus_E-P1/P7022515.JPG Have a look to X-Rite Colorchecker card. All the patches in both sides = are blurred. http://213.239.174.194/pixelmania.nl/Testbeelden/Olympus_E-P1/P7072734.JPG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 15:17:42 2009 Received: (qmail 17495 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 14:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 14:17:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345A9E18245 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:17:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC731E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:17:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4AB34AC025 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:17:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B99F34AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:17:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:17:35 -0800 (PST) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=O7DFDWrXRGJarpxunhsA:9 a=t5eWzsNRMzIX8Dh8j95zs6O9XqwA:4 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1086] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id 2D/6D-06400-EF2D6FA4; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:17:35 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF6D2FD.9080405@bresnan.net> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:17:33 -0700 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4ae8deb8.9553f10a.09df.5a4b@mx.google.com> <4AE9A461.5050401@bresnan.net> <4AEA3270.8050002@chucknorcutt.com> <4AEAF55F.5010204@bresnan.net> <4AEB0BEF.6040409@chucknorcutt.com><4AF59064.3000202@chucknorcutt.com> <4AF593CA.2010402@bresnan.net> <4030EBB00CE2424BAF133EED4C86FD86@SueHome> In-Reply-To: <4030EBB00CE2424BAF133EED4C86FD86@SueHome> Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Printers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 15:17:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af6d30639115034211378 I like the way you think! But...must I stop at half? Candace Sue Pearce wrote: > May I suggest eating an entire half gallon of chocolate ice cream straight > out of the contaner? > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 15:27:40 2009 Received: (qmail 26562 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 14:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 14:27:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44700E182A5 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:27:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D67EE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33AFC19E494 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:27:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF1D19E47A for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:27:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:27:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091108142732427.UICL6968@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:27:32 +0000 Message-Id: <9D651158-9812-495A-9332-39FD13F9915B@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF5796C.5080500@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:27:31 -0500 References: <27f57c7d0911070449u10bbfef5v7d5310b5805e7cc0@mail.gmail.com> <27f57c7d0911070526n4b9da935x6b8362d8c8f09659@mail.gmail.com> <4AF5796C.5080500@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 15:27:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af6d55c279192439112457 I noticed that. Very clear that the cat is the far limit of the DOF. Looks kinda cool, though. My favorite of the shots is the cat on the leaf spring. --Bob--hoping that actually is a leaf spring--Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > You seem to be front focusing with this lens on the 5D. What little > available DOF there is is all in front of the subject... at least on > the > black cat shots. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > andrew elliott wrote: >> All photos were taken with lens wide open. I am not carrying that >> thing >> around and then using it at f5.6 :) >> >> >> >> >> >> 2009/11/7 Wiliam Wagenaar >> >>> Hi Andrew, >>> >>> I think Dawid will be happy with any Zuiko 250mm photos for now. I >>> think >>> you also shot wide open, just like Dawid wanted. They show some very >>> nice shallow DOF. >>> >>> Welcome on Flickr, although some among us hate the site. Adding a >>> link >>> to your photos is quite easy: >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewelliottgalbally -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 16:05:15 2009 Received: (qmail 23546 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 15:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 15:05:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78293E182AB for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D3FE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB42819E60B for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:05:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6348B19E5ED for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:05:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5B94618D3 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:32:34 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4AF5DAFD.9080305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:05:05 +0000 Message-Id: References: <4AF65FCC.11018.4CF962@bj.caverock.net.nz> <9BB4BE35-242C-4C74-A38B-6F03745ABFB1@threeshoes.net> <4AF5DAFD.9080305@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Re: Indecent exposure (again) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 16:05:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af6de2b191781879814018 Thanks, Chuck. Sorry about that. Chris On 7 Nov 2009, at 20:39, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > You missed a transmission where I questioned this too and Rickard > realized he was playing back the procedure for one of the lesser > E-things which only has one control dial. On an E-3 you do have two > control dials and can directly change shutter speed and aperture. > Maybe > Brian missed it too since he quotes Rickard's original, but incorrect > (for an E-3) instructions. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 16:07:26 2009 Received: (qmail 14113 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 15:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 15:07:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F38E181AE for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48856E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3921F34AC027 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:06:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73D234AC025 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:06:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:06:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8072A4617EF for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:34:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:06:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: Message-Id: <8FA005C2-8932-4DA8-8187-FDDDD6012F99@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 3/11/2009: back in Alicante X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 16:07:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af6dead101991946193717 Indeed there is, Nathan. And I would live there in a flash if only it were home ... Nice depiction, by the way :-) Chris On 3 Nov 2009, at 19:32, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Yesterday afternoon, I was walking around Copenhagen in the rain. The > thermometer on the big square in front of City Hall indicated +4C. > This morning I flew home to Alicante, and this afternoon I went for my > usual bicycle ride. I still love Copenhagen, but there is something to > be said for a place where you see this in November: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#702290487_4s2Zj-O-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 16:44:30 2009 Received: (qmail 11209 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 15:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 15:44:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C93E1829E for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F294FE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:44:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B082F34AC027 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:44:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AB734AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:44:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (paganini17.register.it [81.88.48.50]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:44:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28899 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2009 15:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@83.40.198.146) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 8 Nov 2009 15:44:10 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:44:08 +0100 Message-Id: <5BA47A0B-3258-405A-8DF7-2FEA5B6292C7@frozenlight.eu> To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?IMG=3A_Nathan=27s_PAW_43=3A_my_hometown_=C5rh?= =?iso-8859-1?q?us?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 16:44:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af6e75e228411342116753 This week I take you along to a trip back to my hometown in Denmark. I go there twice a year. These are not necessarily pretty pictures (I will make a separate gallery for those) but they are a good record of what I did from Wednesday to Saturday (actually, early Sunday morning...) last week. I think that the variety of styles, ranging from Jim Shulman to Ted Grant (you decide which is which) will please at least some of you: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=300 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 17:21:47 2009 Received: (qmail 20794 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 16:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 16:21:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A72E1824D for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834CCE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A23919E82B for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:21:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B7419E823 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:21:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6190 invoked by uid 504); 8 Nov 2009 16:21:37 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091108-0, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?IMG=3A_Nathan=27s_PAW_43=3A_my_hometown_=C5rh?= =?iso-8859-1?q?us?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 17:21:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af6f01a257225368819438 Alt 2, the Copenhagen station in late afternoon light. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > This week I take you along to a trip back to my hometown in Denmark. I > go there twice a year. These are not necessarily pretty pictures (I > will make a separate gallery for those) but they are a good record of > what I did from Wednesday to Saturday (actually, early Sunday > morning...) last week. I think that the variety of styles, ranging > from Jim Shulman to Ted Grant (you decide which is which) will please > at least some of you: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=300 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 17:45:03 2009 Received: (qmail 23044 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 16:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 16:45:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848C4E182A3 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:45:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34566E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:44:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126E134AC026 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:44:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB2334AC025 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:44:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp1.freeola.net (smtp1.freeola.net [81.31.99.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:44:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp1.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F8CC975F for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:16:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Barker Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:44:53 +0000 Message-Id: <8667D43D-87C7-4BBA-93E3-C27AD97D4637@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: [OM] It works! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 17:45:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af6f58f272431612113968 Well blow me down! I had not used my Epson 1290 for a good few months, perhaps more than 6, but it worked first time. There was no cleaning required, no mucking around with the driver. It must be the new OSX for my loverly Mac ... :-) Chris p.s. I know, I must do more photographing. cb -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 18:23:25 2009 Received: (qmail 27937 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 17:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 17:23:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CF8E1822B for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED912E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:23:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B717619E9A3 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:23:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D3B19E98B for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:23:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.89]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 51031 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2009 17:23:16 -0000 Message-ID: <569989.49298.qm@web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3EDfVmMVM1kc0uIjPowMEJgLCEK7ff3EzOLgBzNDv1RtA2JFqu2GvGr5.fFIs.AToTRFPpLaye2s4BvmnRbNpviHqjnHe4Yuyk_rEaY6b92S.h9RYiBZtF7_Pw4uGVy2nc13agovvCwTIl4.z1JfzH_H6Gu_dNhY9XI6Y4s4QGNbL0lfTOk8L9LuE2TXCM66fFZ4XC1zoH6OhK.D0mEFiVQd0ZDESD8BvDffPUekClqEqEYHGKtBZCsVeP4w85dyLNGw4KxHwxoHXlJbcYNbvhFIxYWHyXy1TTT6zs1AVFXRjinUrxUzLcPVHGicBlnguwMM6J24qe8O9KEuDiupUYSqUqPh1USPWDYIY0bNygTPr2VFtWzCeJfwqg3OARY- Received: from [86.163.212.162] by web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:23:16 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.3 Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:23:16 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <27f57c7d0911071140i5a885cbcycade19a2e19c51bf@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 18:23:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af6fe8d256869730998309 Andrew, The problems with Vista refusing to play nicely with applications is just one of the reasons why I have kept Windoze XP on my desktop and only h= ave Vista on my Dell laptop. Unfortunately I bought my laptop just before t= hey offered the option of free upgrade to Windoze 7 when it was released. As I really do not want to give Windoze any more of my money than I can hel= p I do not feel like paying for an upgrade at present. I am assuming that when I upgrade all my programmes, applications etc will = need to be reloaded. If I am wrong on this point I am sure some kind soul w= ill tell me :-) Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ......................................................................... --- On Sat, 7/11/09, andrew elliott = wrote: > I normally use=A0 a 4Ti as my > everyday camera. = I would > hope to have time to use the OM gear more but I have no > good way of > translating 35mm into digital. My old konica minolta dimage > scanner will not > work with vista and I could never seem to get good results > from it anyway. > There was a recent thread on using the zuiko 80mm macro to > copy slides with > a 5D so that might be worth a go. If it works I shall > publish a few taken > with a proper OM body. (And yes, I am an obsessive > collector)!! = > Andrew = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 18:34:36 2009 Received: (qmail 26556 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 17:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 17:34:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FDDE18246 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B8DE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7037D19E9F6 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:34:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3616619E9F1 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:34:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527C2314E30 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06145314E2D for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:00:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4AF70133.4070204@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:34:43 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091108-0, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 18:34:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af7012c172591612113968 > > ...but I have no good way of translating 35mm into digital. I have my film developed at Costco and scanned to a CD. No prints. Basically it hands off the tedious task of scanning to a machine. It's very cheap and the scans are good enough to print at 8x10 or more. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 18:37:17 2009 Received: (qmail 27310 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 17:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 17:37:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040F7E18229 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9210FE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8446819EA19 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:37:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5077E19EA11 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:37:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC43314CE0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:03:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA5B314C13 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:03:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4AF701D4.1050203@interisland.net> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:37:24 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091108-0, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 18:37:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af701cd200035683411216 Whoops! I should have kept reading. I see you are in N Ireland. Maybe there is a similar place to have film scanned there. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 18:43:58 2009 Received: (qmail 28363 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 17:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 17:43:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE892E1824D for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:43:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAA0E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:43:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B26034AC025 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:43:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB0834AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:43:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27376 invoked by uid 504); 8 Nov 2009 17:43:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091108-0, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 18:43:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af7035e311056789618724 For Windoze 7, MS differentiates between what they call an "upgrade" or a "custom installation" although both use the same software package. You can "upgrade" from Vista which replaces the underlying OS but leaves all your apps in place. From XP you are required to do a "custom installation" which means starting from scratch and re-installling all the old apps. Chuck Norcutt JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > Andrew, > The problems with Vista refusing to play nicely with applications is > just one of the reasons why I have kept Windoze XP on my desktop and only have Vista on my Dell laptop. Unfortunately I bought my laptop just before they offered the option of free upgrade to Windoze 7 when it was released. > As I really do not want to give Windoze any more of my money than I can help I do not feel like paying for an upgrade at present. > I am assuming that when I upgrade all my programmes, applications etc will need to be reloaded. If I am wrong on this point I am sure some kind soul will tell me :-) > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > > ......................................................................... > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, andrew elliott wrote: > >> I normally use a 4Ti as my >> everyday camera. > I would >> hope to have time to use the OM gear more but I have no >> good way of >> translating 35mm into digital. My old konica minolta dimage >> scanner will not >> work with vista and I could never seem to get good results >> from it anyway. >> There was a recent thread on using the zuiko 80mm macro to >> copy slides with >> a 5D so that might be worth a go. If it works I shall >> publish a few taken >> with a proper OM body. (And yes, I am an obsessive >> collector)!! >> Andrew > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 18:45:38 2009 Received: (qmail 21533 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 17:45:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 17:45:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A2DE18246 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:45:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D6BE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:45:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D8F34AC025 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:45:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC48434AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:45:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgnzalez@chasque.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-65-175.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.65.175]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nA8HjLcT017071 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:45:22 -0200 Message-ID: <4AF703BB.8000902@chasque.net> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:45:31 -0200 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@chasque.net Subject: [OM] disabling adobe gamma at startup only. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 18:45:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af703c2257881234514069 Well, finally I have a Spyder3Pro. While installing, it found adobe gamma at startup and warned it may conflict, suggesting I'd better disable it. Only that I don't want to. Could it be enough to drag Adobe Gamma Loader.exe out from CommonFiles>Adobe>Calibration, and drop it into another folder or even do a back-up copy out of the HD ... or should I enter into System32 and do something else. I'd like this to be a reversible procedure, so to be able to do and undo it. This question has been posed before, quite a while ago by Brian I seem to remember. But neither do I remember what was the final consensus, nor do I remember that I felt completely convinced by it. So here it comes again. TIA Fernando. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 18:48:58 2009 Received: (qmail 977 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 17:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 17:48:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85284E18255 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7C4E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3085519EA44 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:48:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B053219EA39 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:48:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30243 invoked by uid 504); 8 Nov 2009 17:48:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091108-0, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Windows 7 "upgrade", was: Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 18:48:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af7048a235481234514069 Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > For Windoze 7, MS differentiates between what they call an "upgrade" or > a "custom installation" although both use the same software package. > You can "upgrade" from Vista which replaces the underlying OS but leaves > all your apps in place. From XP you are required to do a "custom > installation" which means starting from scratch and re-installling all > the old apps. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > JOHN DUGGAN wrote: >> Andrew, >> The problems with Vista refusing to play nicely with >> applications is >> just one of the reasons why I have kept Windoze XP on my desktop and >> only have Vista on my Dell laptop. Unfortunately I bought my laptop >> just before they offered the option of free upgrade to Windoze 7 when >> it was released. >> As I really do not want to give Windoze any more of my money than I >> can help I do not feel like paying for an upgrade at present. >> I am assuming that when I upgrade all my programmes, applications etc >> will need to be reloaded. If I am wrong on this point I am sure some >> kind soul will tell me :-) >> Regards >> John Duggan, >> Wales, UK >> >> ......................................................................... >> --- On Sat, 7/11/09, andrew elliott >> wrote: >> >>> I normally use a 4Ti as my >>> everyday camera. >> I would >>> hope to have time to use the OM gear more but I have no >>> good way of >>> translating 35mm into digital. My old konica minolta dimage >>> scanner will not >>> work with vista and I could never seem to get good results >>> from it anyway. >>> There was a recent thread on using the zuiko 80mm macro to >>> copy slides with >>> a 5D so that might be worth a go. If it works I shall >>> publish a few taken >>> with a proper OM body. (And yes, I am an obsessive >>> collector)!! Andrew >> >> >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 18:52:05 2009 Received: (qmail 8677 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 17:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 17:52:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4532EE181B1 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:52:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25ADFE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42A719EA57 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:51:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278D419EA49 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:51:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31708 invoked by uid 504); 8 Nov 2009 17:51:58 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Nov 2009 17:51:58 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF7053D.4070705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:51:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF703BB.8000902@chasque.net> In-Reply-To: <4AF703BB.8000902@chasque.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091108-0, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] disabling adobe gamma at startup only. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 18:52:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af7054559091560218263 I think you should disable it. I'm pretty sure I did but I can't recall now how I did it. Maybe the Monaco gamma tool did it for me. If it's not disabled you may have a race condition where the gamma gets set by whichever one it the last to run. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Well, finally I have a Spyder3Pro. > > While installing, it found adobe gamma at startup and warned it may > conflict, suggesting I'd better disable it. > Only that I don't want to. > > Could it be enough to drag Adobe Gamma Loader.exe out from > CommonFiles>Adobe>Calibration, and drop it into another folder or even > do a back-up copy out of the HD ... or should I enter into System32 and > do something else. > I'd like this to be a reversible procedure, so to be able to do and undo it. > > This question has been posed before, quite a while ago by Brian I seem > to remember. > But neither do I remember what was the final consensus, nor do I > remember that I felt completely convinced by it. > > So here it comes again. > > TIA > > Fernando. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 19:15:43 2009 Received: (qmail 4161 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 18:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 18:15:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AEA1E181B9 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951F0E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:15:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869C419EAFC for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:15:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCFA19EAFA for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:15:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so755890fxm.30 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.10.20 with SMTP id n20mr2597467bkn.161.1257704133685; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from vienms0019 ([213.185.186.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm4149548fkx.29.2009.11.08.10.15.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:15:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4af70ac4.1c185e0a.363d.2653@mx.google.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:13:41 +0000 From: "Jez Cunningham" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [OM] disabling adobe gamma at startup only. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 19:15:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af70acf129301357919056 I recall it's essential - just delete the shortcut fom the Startup foldet. Jez Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Norcutt Sent: 08/11/2009 18:51:57 Subject: Re: [OM] disabling adobe gamma at startup only. I think you should disable it. I'm pretty sure I did but I can't recall now how I did it. Maybe the Monaco gamma tool did it for me. If it's not disabled you may have a race condition where the gamma gets set by whichever one it the last to run. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Well, finally I have a Spyder3Pro. > > While installing, it found adobe gamma at startup and warned it may > conflict, suggesting I'd better disable it. > Only that I don't want to. > > Could it be enough to drag Adobe Gamma Loader.exe out from > CommonFiles>Adobe>Calibration, and drop it into another folder or even > do a back-up copy out of the HD ... or should I enter into System32 and > do something else. > I'd like this to be a reversible procedure, so to be able to do and undo it. > > This question has been posed before, quite a while ago by Brian I seem > to remember. > But neither do I remember what was the final consensus, nor do I > remember that I felt completely convinced by it. > > So here it comes again. > > TIA > > Fernando. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 19:32:23 2009 Received: (qmail 7505 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 18:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 18:32:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B11FE181D6 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:32:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785B2E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5680419EB63 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:32:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70BD19EB3A for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:32:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86009.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86009.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 93381 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2009 18:32:15 -0000 Message-ID: <117297.92758.qm@web86009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FtlnzYUVM1mN.dq8UDzxEU3cqKq7da9DX8OvNp_9h0qv_gSTJtPXy7Ayo6nshSc1CCsQpDbqOMbvoETsJoC4oQRiCm4LGAyHj1pgWPNuc6Q.zFHILzSsbXfgBIxEXttrnumRYxFRQbJSf.llSeV4iKPAL1zkLbiFbCF25t.z7e5H2d8EiBrVM.8Aldw65xTEWmp9xBN_vIFLSWfN4FBA20Vwrv6oCpFuT8e1nrr82gelYZZv2nz3gJKloXGs59FDEo_WnPuY9cIt3nmM3putlEVUXAJ6qQ96ZWrcsBsN5aW6MpxrKQmGTnxsYp2xkXn14VglfNXrC7jJ09DL_M5m29hpABM4PX.fzsfCRRI8TGHczgRNcgB.2Iy4VLqbrw7s Received: from [217.44.219.70] by web86009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:32:15 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.3 Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:32:15 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF70483.9020908@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Windows 7 "upgrade", was: Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 19:32:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af70eb7175844877110844 Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK Chuck, Thanks for that link, It seems that Vista to Windoze 7 is straightforward bu= t XP (which I quite like) could turn out to be a pain in the backside! Food for thought! ........................................................................ --- On Sun, 8/11/09, Chuck Norcutt wrote: = > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > For Windoze 7, MS differentiates between what they > call an "upgrade" or = > > a=A0 "custom installation" although both use the > same software package. = > > You can "upgrade" from Vista which replaces the > underlying OS but leaves = > > all your apps in place.=A0 From XP you are required > to do a "custom = > > installation" which means starting from scratch and > re-installling all = > > the old apps. > > = > > Chuck Norcutt = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 19:37:48 2009 Received: (qmail 19880 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 18:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 18:37:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153D6E1822D for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:37:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F4EE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6185C34AC025 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:37:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD5134AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:37:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28194 invoked by uid 504); 8 Nov 2009 18:37:42 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091108-0, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Windows 7 "upgrade", was: Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 19:37:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af70ffc296456107113666 If MS really wanted to get rid of XP they should have put a lot more effort into the Win 7 upgrade process. Chuck Norcutt JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > Chuck, > Thanks for that link, > It seems that Vista to Windoze 7 is straightforward but XP (which I quite like) could turn out to be a pain in the backside! > Food for thought! > ........................................................................ > --- On Sun, 8/11/09, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> For Windoze 7, MS differentiates between what they >> call an "upgrade" or >>> a "custom installation" although both use the >> same software package. >>> You can "upgrade" from Vista which replaces the >> underlying OS but leaves >>> all your apps in place. From XP you are required >> to do a "custom >>> installation" which means starting from scratch and >> re-installling all >>> the old apps. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 20:05:55 2009 Received: (qmail 23084 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 19:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 19:05:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BB6E1824D for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:05:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF85FE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:05:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20A519EC1C for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:05:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22D719EBE6 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:05:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:05:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC107461726 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:33:14 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4AF1FE63.10507@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:05:45 +0000 Message-Id: <6D740281-E180-4902-9F9A-653701D57645@threeshoes.net> References: <4AF1FE63.10507@spokeandsprocket.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] DxO Pro now supports Olympus DSLRs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 20:05:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af71693138211234514069 Thanks, Jim. But when I downloaded the trial version (to see if it would do the necessary with my LX3 RAW files) it failed. I'm not sure I trust applications that need a Download Manager, anyway ... So I have deleted all trace of the application and its "managers". Chris On 4 Nov 2009, at 22:21, Jim Couch wrote: > DxO has a new version of theri RAW software that now supports many of > the Olympus 4/3 cameras and lenses including the D-3 D-30 & E-620. I > have not used the software myself, so can't really comment, but it > is an > interesting alternative that now supports Olympus cameras. > > Jim Couch > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 20:29:59 2009 Received: (qmail 25649 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 19:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 19:29:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31048E181BA for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CF9E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE3A19ECEB for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:29:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F57C19ECD2 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:29:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC605461726 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:57:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:29:51 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> Message-Id: <76942FA5-B4CB-4FDB-B035-573CF44628E2@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 20:29:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af71c37293731234514069 They're both fine, Philippe, but I should go for the brighter one. It's neither too bright nor too saturated for me: checked with an iMac 24" at full brightness ... Chris On 6 Nov 2009, at 11:22, Philippe Amard wrote: > Two versions of the same; can't make my mind about which, both > probably > best viewed large. > Slow connection users beware ! > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/FF-Halloween+-1130962.jpg.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 20:31:34 2009 Received: (qmail 18502 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 19:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 19:31:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA70E18277 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B66E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CFA19ECF6 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:31:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B898119ECF4 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:31:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0795B46141F for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:58:56 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4AF6F00F.3040509@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:31:26 +0000 Message-Id: References: <5BA47A0B-3258-405A-8DF7-2FEA5B6292C7@frozenlight.eu> <4AF6F00F.3040509@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] =?iso-8859-1?q?IMG=3A_Nathan=27s_PAW_43=3A_my_hometown_=C5rh?= =?iso-8859-1?q?us?= X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 20:31:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af71c9647021234514069 Yes, I liked that one as well. But the stories were interesting as well. Copenhagen was a place I hitched to when I was 16, having been around France and Germany beforehand. Denmark was the friendliest place of all and Copenhagen a lovely city to visit as a youngster. Chris On 8 Nov 2009, at 16:21, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Alt 2, the Copenhagen station in late afternoon light. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 20:48:48 2009 Received: (qmail 19172 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 19:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 19:48:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9F4E181CC for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71F4E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13C119ED8E for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:48:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8129719ED8D for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:48:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr (smtp23.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.22]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2317.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2F05370000AB; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:48:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (141.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.141]) by msfrf2317.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AFA5C70000AA; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:48:39 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091108194839719.AFA5C70000AA@msfrf2317.sfr.fr Message-ID: <4AF720C3.8030709@sfr.fr> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:49:23 +0100 From: Philippe Amard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion , liste leica reflex , Leica Users Group References: <4AF406DE.7020107@sfr.fr> <76942FA5-B4CB-4FDB-B035-573CF44628E2@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <76942FA5-B4CB-4FDB-B035-573CF44628E2@threeshoes.net> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower, sort of ... THANKS ALL + Douglas + C.H. Ling + Chris X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 20:48:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af720a0228241006886880 Thanks all for viewing and suggesting. I'm just landing from a weekend at Alice's place. I've had suggestions for layers, crops and more (specific thanks for editiors who also sent me their file, of which Douglas and C.H Ling) I'll try to take all of these excellent suggestions and contributions into account when I edit the final version. Chris : I-Mac 24 is what I edited it on ;-) Only I don't have PS on it = the first version is Mac LR The second version was made using the former and clicking the auto-all adjustments in PSE2 on the PC. I'll have to get CS for the Mac pretty soon as Alice bought herself an I-Mac on Saturday too ... but then I'll also be able to edit at her place. :-) Thanks again all. More when I can Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe Chris Barker wrote: >They're both fine, Philippe, but I should go for the brighter one. >It's neither too bright nor too saturated for me: checked with an iMac >24" at full brightness ... > >Chris > >On 6 Nov 2009, at 11:22, Philippe Amard wrote: > > > >>Two versions of the same; can't make my mind about which, both >>probably >>best viewed large. >>Slow connection users beware ! >> >>http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/FF-Halloween+-1130962.jpg.html >> >> > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 21:36:09 2009 Received: (qmail 5101 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 20:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 20:36:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C42E18277 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:36:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62BDE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:36:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7621A34AC027 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:36:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D92934AC025 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:36:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:36:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch ([81.221.125.14]:57033 helo=IanMacBookPro.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N7EUU-0000qb-QV for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:36:03 -0600 Message-ID: <4AF72BAD.8060407@picturepedia.org> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:35:57 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <8667D43D-87C7-4BBA-93E3-C27AD97D4637@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <8667D43D-87C7-4BBA-93E3-C27AD97D4637@threeshoes.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] It works! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 21:36:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af72bb9159887801554290 You did better than me then, I couldn't print from aperture with my epson until I deleted the stored printer settings (within aperture) - took me a while to figure that one out. ;-) > It must be the new OSX for my loverly Mac ... :-) > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 21:44:10 2009 Received: (qmail 26214 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 20:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 20:44:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86819E182A1 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34444E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:44:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7BD34AC025 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:44:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F41334AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:44:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:44:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12260 invoked by uid 504); 8 Nov 2009 20:44:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Nov 2009 20:44:02 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF72D92.80309@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:44:02 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091108-0, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 21:44:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af72d9a149801136683642 The doc says the left eye with the new bionic lens is still settling out and may get better over the next week or two. However, I can already see to make a good focus with the Zuiko 50/3.5 macro on the 5D. Ordinary 5D focusing screen. Shows two images. The first one is the initial focus wide open at f/3.5. The focus point is the small central nodule in front. The next shot is the same focus but shot at f/11. Shot in the kitchen under soft, mid-afternoon daylight. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 22:25:07 2009 Received: (qmail 7014 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 21:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 21:25:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBBFE1829F for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB7DE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1FD19F0D5 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:25:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC98919EE1E for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:25:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch ([81.221.125.14]:57300 helo=IanMacBookPro.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N7FFs-0003N2-Ob for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:25:01 -0600 Message-ID: <4AF73727.8010406@picturepedia.org> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:24:55 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <4AF72D92.80309@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF72D92.80309@chucknorcutt.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [OM] Week 45 - Few Fotos For Fun X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 22:25:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af73733236862517112723 Finally I have got back on track, caught up with list emails and found time this weekend to take some images, the first 3 are with the 180/2 all shot wide open unfortunately all with the E-3 and no OM shots. As always I hope you find at least one that appeals - C and C welcome. IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 22:37:15 2009 Received: (qmail 27802 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 21:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 21:37:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21105E1829E for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEA8E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0DC19F1C4 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:37:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CAB19F144 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:37:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25396 invoked by uid 502); 8 Nov 2009 21:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (moose@71.139.195.74) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Nov 2009 21:37:06 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF739FB.7020208@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:36:59 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF72D92.80309@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF72D92.80309@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 22:37:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af73a0b16905368819438 Excellent!!! Moose Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The doc says the left eye with the new bionic lens is still settling out and may get better over the next week or two. However, I can already see to make a good focus with the Zuiko 50/3.5 macro on the 5D. Ordinary 5D focusing screen. ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 22:52:19 2009 Received: (qmail 29616 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 21:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 21:52:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3CBE18246 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:52:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA21E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC14A19F3D7 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:52:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD1319F3CE for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:52:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19441 invoked by uid 504); 8 Nov 2009 21:52:13 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091108-1, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Week 45 - Few Fotos For Fun X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 22:52:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af73d93227451342116753 I liked the line of trikes the best followed by the straw hats on the line. Pots and plants is attractive too. Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > Finally I have got back on track, caught up with list emails and found > time this weekend to take some images, the first 3 are with the 180/2 > all shot wide open unfortunately all with the E-3 and no OM shots. > > > > As always I hope you find at least one that appeals - C and C welcome. > > > IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 23:17:35 2009 Received: (qmail 28952 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 22:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 22:17:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A586FE1824D for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:17:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82F3E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A90C34AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:17:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E1734AC026 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:17:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13E84616B4 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:44:55 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4AF72BAD.8060407@picturepedia.org> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:17:26 +0000 Message-Id: References: <8667D43D-87C7-4BBA-93E3-C27AD97D4637@threeshoes.net> <4AF72BAD.8060407@picturepedia.org> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Subject: Re: [OM] It works! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 23:17:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af7437f131761744846740 No, this was a flyer from Pages, Ian. But I'll have a go with Aperture tomorrow; I like a challenge ... :-) Chris On 8 Nov 2009, at 20:35, SwissPace wrote: > You did better than me then, I couldn't print from aperture with my > epson until I deleted the stored printer settings (within aperture) - > took me a while to figure that one out. ;-) > >> It must be the new OSX for my loverly Mac ... :-) >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 23:18:41 2009 Received: (qmail 22626 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 22:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 22:18:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5E0E1824E for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97174E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:18:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C1034AC026 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:18:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D02034AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:18:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp2.freeola.net (smtp2.freeola.net [81.31.99.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:18:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (unknown [62.249.223.39]) by smtp2.freeola.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6494615BC for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:45:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:18:18 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4AF72D92.80309@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF72D92.80309@chucknorcutt.com> Message-Id: <2B2E3D78-FE97-471A-A50B-08B1DA23B7F2@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 23:18:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af743c1165795683411216 Hurrah and huzzah! Good for you, Chuck :-) Chris On 8 Nov 2009, at 20:44, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The doc says the left eye with the new bionic lens is still settling > out > and may get better over the next week or two. However, I can already > see to make a good focus with the Zuiko 50/3.5 macro on the 5D. > Ordinary 5D focusing screen. > > > Shows two images. The first one is the initial focus wide open at > f/3.5. The focus point is the small central nodule in front. The > next > shot is the same focus but shot at f/11. > > Shot in the kitchen under soft, mid-afternoon daylight. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 23:22:04 2009 Received: (qmail 20356 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 22:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 22:22:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A333E18255 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8747E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874D234AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:21:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E0934AC026 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:21:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA8MLo2c016830 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:21:50 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.cbb.3e0c8074 (55737) for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-dd03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dd03.mx.aol.com [205.188.84.131]) by cia-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD044-d4064af744762fa; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:21:45 -0500 Received: from webmail-d051 (webmail-d051.sim.aol.com [205.188.168.24]) by smtprly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDD032-d4064af744762fa; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:21:42 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:21:42 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.216 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 28878-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.216 by webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com (205.188.168.24) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:21:42 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC2ED8FBE94943-327C-39121@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 23:22:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af7448c176911073733319 Great!! You nailed it. In a couple days perhaps try a fast Zuiko with your other screen. Mike Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The doc says the left eye with the new bionic lens is still settling out and > may get better over the next week or two. However, I can already see to make > a good focus with the Zuiko 50/3.5 macro on the 5D. Ordinary 5D focusing > screen. ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 23:39:14 2009 Received: (qmail 1660 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 22:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 22:39:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01413E181CF for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7057CE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF9D34AC025 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:39:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D34C34AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:39:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14046 invoked by uid 504); 8 Nov 2009 22:39:06 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Nov 2009 22:39:06 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF74889.6040203@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:39:05 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF72D92.80309@chucknorcutt.com> <2B2E3D78-FE97-471A-A50B-08B1DA23B7F2@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <2B2E3D78-FE97-471A-A50B-08B1DA23B7F2@threeshoes.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091108-1, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 23:39:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af7489298149730998309 The knee still has a long way to go but the eye is in very good shape after only a week. The right eye gets done in the morning. I hope it goes as well. Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Hurrah and huzzah! > > Good for you, Chuck :-) > > Chris > > On 8 Nov 2009, at 20:44, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> The doc says the left eye with the new bionic lens is still settling >> out >> and may get better over the next week or two. However, I can already >> see to make a good focus with the Zuiko 50/3.5 macro on the 5D. >> Ordinary 5D focusing screen. >> >> >> Shows two images. The first one is the initial focus wide open at >> f/3.5. The focus point is the small central nodule in front. The >> next >> shot is the same focus but shot at f/11. >> >> Shot in the kitchen under soft, mid-afternoon daylight. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 23:40:18 2009 Received: (qmail 11513 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 22:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 22:40:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9496E1822E for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D6FE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034A619F601 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:39:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A390719F5F6 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:39:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA8Md0kl027723 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:39:00 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.c8d.55725d70 (37543) for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.170]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB024-b28a4af7487b30d; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:38:55 -0500 Received: from webmail-d051 (webmail-d051.sim.aol.com [205.188.168.24]) by smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE038-b28a4af7487b30d; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:38:51 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:38:51 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.216 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 28878-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.216 by webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com (205.188.168.24) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:38:51 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC2EDB612FAB06-327C-393E0@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] DxO Pro now supports Olympus DSLRs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 23:40:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af748d284211258626592 I see no evidence that they support the LX3 with a dedicated module anyway. I doubt very much it is worth an Adobe tax and a DXO tax w/o raw support and automatic correction of aberrations with deconvolution as well. They only support a few fixed lens cams. The new way of finding them on their site is a pain. They had a comprehensive list of all cams and lenses supported until recently--list became cumbersome to check perhaps. They do support the G9, G10 and will support the G11 soon. Watching the forum now and again they often have a few problems with compatability esp with a new version and esp with 64 bit OS. Their optics Ph.D's are good but tight coding/interface has not been a strong point. Ver 6.1 and 6.2 will be better. It would be interesting to see how they did with the new Oly modules. Mike Thanks, Jim. But when I downloaded the trial version (to see if it would do the necessary with my LX3 RAW files) it failed. I'm not sure I trust applications that need a Download Manager, anyway ... So I have deleted all trace of the application and its "managers". Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Nov 8 23:47:06 2009 Received: (qmail 4641 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 22:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 22:47:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD10E18279 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E33DE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD9A19F658 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:47:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9265119F643 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:47:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18020 invoked by uid 504); 8 Nov 2009 22:46:59 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Nov 2009 22:46:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF74A63.1070004@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:46:59 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC2ED8FBE94943-327C-39121@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CC2ED8FBE94943-327C-39121@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091108-1, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 23:47:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af74a6a322661879814018 The real proof of the pudding will be if I can do as well on an OM-1 which has no diopter adjustment. I think the answer is yes but it will take some film to prove it. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Great!! You nailed it. In a couple days perhaps try a fast Zuiko with > your other screen. > > Mike > > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> The doc says the left eye with the new bionic lens is still settling > out and >> may get better over the next week or two. However, I can already see > to make >> a good focus with the Zuiko 50/3.5 macro on the 5D. Ordinary 5D > focusing >> screen. ... -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 00:04:14 2009 Received: (qmail 29050 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 23:04:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 23:04:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110C9E18255 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE19E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:04:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FC919F6B4 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:04:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4DD19F6AD for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:04:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA8N45CL016487 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:04:05 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.d13.364c9baa (32913) for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:04:00 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:04:00 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Free to good home . . . X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 00:04:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af74e6e281355034211378 I recently took in a 75-150 Zuiko that is missing it's hood. The filter ring isn't going to take a filter. Is there anyone out there in Zuikoland who would use it. Glass is clean and mechanics are good. Given that it is free, I'd prefer not to ship it outside the USA. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 00:37:27 2009 Received: (qmail 18110 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 23:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 23:37:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67258E18277 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:37:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817EAE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:37:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A96119F7C0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:37:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AC519F7C8 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:37:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:37:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KST00FHVDM81J40@mta01.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:37:20 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-89-230-16.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.89.230.16]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:40:10 -0400 Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:37:20 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQJACfl9koYWeYQ/2dsb2JhbACBR4kXzm8KglsEgVUEgWiDNA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,704,1249268400"; d="scan'208";a="613688679" X-EsetScannerBuild: 5999 References: <117297.92758.qm@web86009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Windows 7 "upgrade", was: Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 00:37:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af75637255281744846740 I participated in a software seminar last last week where the presenter stated that a software developer is in the final stages of presenting a product that will convert directly from XP to Windows 7 without having to transit through Vista. The seminar presenter was one of Canada's most esteemed people in his field. In the normal scheme of things I was led to understand that an upgrade from XP directly into Windows 7 bypassing Vista altogether was not what had been contemplated by Bill Gates. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN DUGGAN" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Windows 7 "upgrade", was: Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK Chuck, Thanks for that link, It seems that Vista to Windoze 7 is straightforward but XP (which I quite like) could turn out to be a pain in the backside! Food for thought! ........................................................................ --- On Sun, 8/11/09, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > For Windoze 7, MS differentiates between what they > call an "upgrade" or > > a "custom installation" although both use the > same software package. > > You can "upgrade" from Vista which replaces the > underlying OS but leaves > > all your apps in place. From XP you are required > to do a "custom > > installation" which means starting from scratch and > re-installling all > > the old apps. > > > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4585 (20091108) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4585 (20091108) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 00:47:58 2009 Received: (qmail 9800 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 23:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 23:47:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BD1E1829F for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:47:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC9EE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:47:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DE119F7F5 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:47:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8075B19F7C0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:47:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:47:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2900557bwz.30 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:47:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.122.37 with SMTP id z37mr2744888mum.86.1257724069075; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:47:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4af70ac4.1c185e0a.363d.2653@mx.google.com> References: <4af70ac4.1c185e0a.363d.2653@mx.google.com> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:47:49 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911081547u16def194xf45018239a260e49@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] disabling adobe gamma at startup only. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 00:47:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af758ae26421950411718 The shortcut from the Startup folder? ....not the loader.exe? Surprising - good idea, it's the most simple step. Only that I cannot tell right now where that folder is. Having switched OS makes me lose my track and forget Windows too easily. Well, I've plunged into cold water before. Someone get me a towel please :-/ Fernando. 2009/11/8 Jez Cunningham : > > I recall it's essential - just delete the shortcut fom the Startup foldet. > Jez > > Sent from my Nokia phone > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Norcutt > Sent: =A008/11/2009 18:51:57 > Subject: =A0Re: [OM] disabling adobe gamma at startup only. > > I think you should disable it. =A0I'm pretty sure I did but I can't recall > now how I did it. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 00:52:36 2009 Received: (qmail 12421 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 23:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 23:52:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BC9E18255 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:52:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F593E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:52:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6089834AC027 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:52:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC98C34AC028 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:52:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (alizookoman@yahoo.com whitelisted) Received: from web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.62]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 64904 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2009 23:52:29 -0000 Message-ID: <392253.64476.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UkifIq4VM1l4mpm3vYBDS8Z9Kle0PT_deg_OFGv6D1kdnJn4jHRGFazdA6MEqZJGLTBYutmgnQQE7WAPp_QAweKpR6ECtYHgE1NcGirNG129lA8r3HCmF_e0PWJoau0rbGqovboCOXDa_hkZhAGEhc_g4FUsm8gUuO2TMYg1q2RHgmfvRlBNhFrthFCm_1JMZpITf6BgCpBkzzX9sH4sw5K.5t2Wm4wMvaexlcdi0LiE7EiAqWUm0nqhAQLqGP97M4c_9PRx5Dxai0YEiTJRRRQyVhHEtldi_Bi.pfNIDbrzu7dkaKMr1beo6lz0JHOXFWQmeiYczpJrG6HROz2jBzR2IZk1CXBLBLPTBf7kbfXrdIhDpCZSiA4oRLu8NnyzwyAOkBJkUU6VSxUNTnEeV4zuUSaOcZuhWLXaIrUeWbkoVl19F3kaKWmxO8hjcGVSXOzUWqmWgFzgPSFaqJauvU5vJieP9JG07m7hVLpy7raGxKXPl5WsAApm5e7nTvbRpPcUaRVsHMt98X0ZHD_1GWvJ__dunVy35HaE2RWxwaeM4DYunXVh0RInpmK_bM0m7LYgXRGLCUQgW9MKiGsi4Ad9cIGzAvH9uCjvJuLlcQP9Becce8Vomb5xh8JIAoyOP.FRdbCzQwZDuDW52zC2O4IPWNubQFRg Received: from [98.118.181.247] by web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:52:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:52:29 -0800 (PST) From: AS To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4AF72D92.80309@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 00:52:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af759c415951073733319 Awesome! Nice photos. = > The doc says the left eye with the > new bionic lens is still settling out = > and may get better over the next week or two.=A0 > However, I can already = > see to make a good focus with the Zuiko 50/3.5 macro on the > 5D. = > Ordinary 5D focusing screen. > = > > Shows two images.=A0 The first one is the initial focus > wide open at = > f/3.5.=A0 The focus point is the small central nodule in > front.=A0 The next = > shot is the same focus but shot at f/11. > = > Shot in the kitchen under soft, mid-afternoon daylight. > = > Chuck Norcutt > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = > = = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 00:58:51 2009 Received: (qmail 13012 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2009 23:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Nov 2009 23:58:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE41E18246 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:58:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA15E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:58:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE22119F87E for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:58:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6CD19F86A for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:58:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:58:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2905193bwz.30 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:58:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.86.8 with SMTP id o8mr2793532mul.19.1257724724879; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:58:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6f8422750911081547u16def194xf45018239a260e49@mail.gmail.com> References: <4af70ac4.1c185e0a.363d.2653@mx.google.com> <6f8422750911081547u16def194xf45018239a260e49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:58:44 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911081558g47faf267ne860b0e0e521f865@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] disabling adobe gamma at startup only. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 00:58:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af75b3b134061234514069 Seems it's this one, isn't it? C:\Documents and Settings\Fernando\Men=FA Inicio 2009/11/8 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile : > Only that I cannot tell right now where that folder is. > Having switched OS makes me lose my track and forget Windows too easily. > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 01:07:43 2009 Received: (qmail 10648 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 00:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 00:07:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8763BE182A2 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:07:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54701E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3122834AC026 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:07:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C4134AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:07:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rtomcala@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.251] ([173.59.227.233]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KST0018UF092K53@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:07:22 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AF75D38.8030402@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:20 -0500 From: Rand E User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <117297.92758.qm@web86009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Windows 7 "upgrade", was: Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 01:07:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af75d4f218712439112457 I went from XP Pro to Win7 Pro 64 bit about a week ago. Doing that it is fairly easy - all you have to do was a "Clean" install. i.e., clean and format the system hard drive. Which you should really be doing anyway. The surprise that I had, was that I was never asked any info on my qualifying upgrade product. I purchased a "Upgrade" to Win7 Pro. That being said, getting drivers for some things is downright difficult. Older flatbed scanner and the like. I can't even get recent 32-bit drivers for some things, much less 64-bit drivers. Programs that run in 64-bit haven't really been an issue. You load the prog and Win7 determines whether it's 32 or 64-bit and puts it in the proper program directory. Rand E (still trying to learn how to do some things that were easy in XP) John Hudson wrote: > I participated in a software seminar last last week where the presenter > stated that a software developer is in the final stages of presenting a > product that will convert directly from XP to Windows 7 without having to > transit through Vista. > > The seminar presenter was one of Canada's most esteemed people in his field. > > In the normal scheme of things I was led to understand that an upgrade from > XP directly into Windows 7 bypassing Vista altogether was not what had been > contemplated by Bill Gates. > > jh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOHN DUGGAN" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Windows 7 "upgrade", was: Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples > > > > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > Chuck, > Thanks for that link, > It seems that Vista to Windoze 7 is straightforward but > XP (which I quite like) could turn out to be a pain in the backside! > Food for thought! > ........................................................................ > --- On Sun, 8/11/09, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >>> For Windoze 7, MS differentiates between what they >>> >> call an "upgrade" or >> >>> a "custom installation" although both use the >>> >> same software package. >> >>> You can "upgrade" from Vista which replaces the >>> >> underlying OS but leaves >> >>> all your apps in place. From XP you are required >>> >> to do a "custom >> >>> installation" which means starting from scratch and >>> >> re-installling all >> >>> the old apps. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> > > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 01:09:20 2009 Received: (qmail 14993 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 00:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 00:09:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA6FE18236 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E65E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:09:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D37C19F8C9 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:09:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754EB19F8D0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:09:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:09:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so1093394fga.8 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:09:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.50.22 with SMTP id c22mr2765836muk.54.1257725355112; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:09:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF72D92.80309@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4AF72D92.80309@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:09:15 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911081609k57f89f9bl82a66794a49899b1@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 01:09:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af75db010851234514069 Yes, sometimes Medicine is successful. Not as quickly as anyone would wish. It requires an active patient too. Fernando. 2009/11/8 Chuck Norcutt : > and may get better over the next week or two. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 01:40:00 2009 Received: (qmail 23026 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 00:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 00:39:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5022E181D8 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8252E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB79F34AC025 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:39:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEE634AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:39:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([173.54.180.225]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KST008TAGIANMVK@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:39:47 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AF764D2.4030001@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:39:46 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF72D92.80309@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4AF72D92.80309@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 01:40:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af764e0274256789618724 That's really great! Modern medicine notwithstanding, it must be/have been incredibly scary to have your eyes messed with. I'm glad it has worked out well. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) Chuck Norcutt wrote: > The doc says the left eye with the new bionic lens is still settling out > and may get better over the next week or two. However, I can already > see to make a good focus with the Zuiko 50/3.5 macro on the 5D. > Ordinary 5D focusing screen. > > > Shows two images. The first one is the initial focus wide open at > f/3.5. The focus point is the small central nodule in front. The next > shot is the same focus but shot at f/11. > > Shot in the kitchen under soft, mid-afternoon daylight. > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 01:41:09 2009 Received: (qmail 4331 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 00:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 00:41:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1462E1824C for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:41:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C75E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA22A19F97C for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:40:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111BF19F9B5 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:40:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20436 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2009 00:40:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Nov 2009 00:40:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF764FB.4060704@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:40:27 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <392253.64476.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <392253.64476.qm@web39801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091108-1, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 01:41:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af76525154256789618724 'tis the kitchen cactus. Just a little guy about 6" tall now showing off his red head. Chuck Norcutt AS wrote: > > Awesome! Nice photos. > >> The doc says the left eye with the >> new bionic lens is still settling out >> and may get better over the next week or two. >> However, I can already >> see to make a good focus with the Zuiko 50/3.5 macro on the >> 5D. >> Ordinary 5D focusing screen. >> >> >> Shows two images. The first one is the initial focus >> wide open at >> f/3.5. The focus point is the small central nodule in >> front. The next >> shot is the same focus but shot at f/11. >> >> Shot in the kitchen under soft, mid-afternoon daylight. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 01:50:25 2009 Received: (qmail 5061 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 00:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 00:50:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD3EE1824C for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:50:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710FBE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6493734AC025 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:50:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13A734AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:50:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26914 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2009 00:50:18 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091108-1, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Windows 7 "upgrade", was: Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 01:50:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af76751236121234514069 If one can transition from XP to Vista and then from Vista to Win7 then it seems pretty clear that it can be done... even if not neatly. It reminds me of the early days of the IBM System 360 when engineering changes were coming hot and heavy on the circuit boards. EC's were implemented with deletes and jumper wires installed on pins. If a board was many levels down upgrading it sequentially through the various levels might find 20 wires removed but 10 of them re-installed before the end of the process. People longed for software that would analyze the adds and deletes through many levels of change and produce the "net change list". I don't think it ever happened. But the hardware stuff is tedious and manual. Maybe there's a net change list for XP to Win7 as well but it wouldn't be worth it to trace it out. Just go for the brute force changes... still pretty fast at software installation speeds. Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > I participated in a software seminar last last week where the presenter > stated that a software developer is in the final stages of presenting a > product that will convert directly from XP to Windows 7 without having to > transit through Vista. > > The seminar presenter was one of Canada's most esteemed people in his field. > > In the normal scheme of things I was led to understand that an upgrade from > XP directly into Windows 7 bypassing Vista altogether was not what had been > contemplated by Bill Gates. > > jh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOHN DUGGAN" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Windows 7 "upgrade", was: Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples > > > > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > Chuck, > Thanks for that link, > It seems that Vista to Windoze 7 is straightforward but > XP (which I quite like) could turn out to be a pain in the backside! > Food for thought! > ........................................................................ > --- On Sun, 8/11/09, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> For Windoze 7, MS differentiates between what they >> call an "upgrade" or >>> a "custom installation" although both use the >> same software package. >>> You can "upgrade" from Vista which replaces the >> underlying OS but leaves >>> all your apps in place. From XP you are required >> to do a "custom >>> installation" which means starting from scratch and >> re-installling all >>> the old apps. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 01:52:22 2009 Received: (qmail 476 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 00:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 00:52:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FCAE18228 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC57E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:52:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3618119F9EA for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:52:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC95519F9E9 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:52:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:52:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28822 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2009 00:52:15 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091108-1, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Windows 7 "upgrade", was: Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 01:52:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af767c6261071073733319 Thanks for the feedback. I've been contemplating an XP 32 to Win7 64 bit myself. I ran the planning installation tool which has identified potentially problem drivers but I've yet to pursue the list. Chuck Norcutt Rand E wrote: > I went from XP Pro to Win7 Pro 64 bit about a week ago. Doing that it > is fairly easy - all you have to do was a "Clean" install. > i.e., clean and format the system hard drive. Which you should really > be doing anyway. The surprise that I had, was that I was never > asked any info on my qualifying upgrade product. I purchased a > "Upgrade" to Win7 Pro. > That being said, getting drivers for some things is downright > difficult. Older flatbed scanner and the like. I can't even get recent > 32-bit drivers for some things, > much less 64-bit drivers. Programs that run in 64-bit haven't really > been an issue. You load the prog and Win7 determines whether it's 32 or > 64-bit and puts > it in the proper program directory. > Rand E (still trying to learn how to do some things that were easy in XP) > > John Hudson wrote: >> I participated in a software seminar last last week where the presenter >> stated that a software developer is in the final stages of presenting a >> product that will convert directly from XP to Windows 7 without having to >> transit through Vista. >> >> The seminar presenter was one of Canada's most esteemed people in his field. >> >> In the normal scheme of things I was led to understand that an upgrade from >> XP directly into Windows 7 bypassing Vista altogether was not what had been >> contemplated by Bill Gates. >> >> jh >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "JOHN DUGGAN" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] Windows 7 "upgrade", was: Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples >> >> >> >> Regards >> John Duggan, >> Wales, UK >> Chuck, >> Thanks for that link, >> It seems that Vista to Windoze 7 is straightforward but >> XP (which I quite like) could turn out to be a pain in the backside! >> Food for thought! >> ........................................................................ >> --- On Sun, 8/11/09, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> >> >>> Chuck Norcutt wrote: >>> >>>> For Windoze 7, MS differentiates between what they >>>> >>> call an "upgrade" or >>> >>>> a "custom installation" although both use the >>>> >>> same software package. >>> >>>> You can "upgrade" from Vista which replaces the >>>> >>> underlying OS but leaves >>> >>>> all your apps in place. From XP you are required >>>> >>> to do a "custom >>> >>>> installation" which means starting from scratch and >>>> >>> re-installling all >>> >>>> the old apps. >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >> >> >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 01:53:51 2009 Received: (qmail 19269 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 00:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 00:53:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1734E18255 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:53:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF164E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F5D34AC026 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:53:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2856034AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:53:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.superhosting.ca (mail.superhosting.ca [69.90.83.197]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24791 invoked by uid 399); 9 Nov 2009 00:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.51.152?) (ownvolition01@ownvolition.com@64.231.153.141) by mail.superhosting.ca with ESMTPAM; 9 Nov 2009 00:48:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 64.231.153.141 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:53:43 -0500 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again Thread-Index: Acpg1xWYVBG9aszKEd6MKQAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <4AF764D2.4030001@verizon.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 01:53:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af7681f10831073733319 On 11/8/09 7:39 PM, Russ Butler wrote: > Modern medicine notwithstanding, it must be/have been incredibly scary > to have your eyes messed with. Indeed. I had minor surgery the other year to repair a retinal detachment (minor detachment, corrected with a scleral buckle - not fully around the eye, but localised), and there are two points when you really wonder. First when you drift out of the anaesthesic haze and realise the eye is packed and bandaged shut. And scarier - when the bandage and packing is being removed and you're wondering if sight is going to return, and if there's any impairment. On a lesser scale is Nd:YAG laser treatment (cauterisation, I suppose) for retinal tears. Massive green light as if there's been a thermonuclear explosion in the room, and a weird and disconcerting stinging feeling somewhere deep behind the eye, and then it takes many minutes before sight slowly returns to normal. Yahoo indeed for the first eye. Best wishes for tomorrow's procedure, Chuck. Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 01:55:02 2009 Received: (qmail 24368 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 00:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 00:55:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A310E182A2 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:55:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E619E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E60B19F9F5 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:54:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858F919F9F0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:54:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30257 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2009 00:54:24 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 01:55:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af76866142191612113968 I think his comment was that my retina was still a little swollen. I suspect that there's a bit of trauma to various parts of the eyeball when they stick that ultrasonic lens homogenizer into your eye and stir the pot to dissolve the lens. Glad I wasn't very awake. :-) Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Yes, sometimes Medicine is successful. Not as quickly as anyone would > wish. It requires an active patient too. > > Fernando. > > 2009/11/8 Chuck Norcutt : > >> and may get better over the next week or two. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 02:02:42 2009 Received: (qmail 6710 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 01:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 01:02:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE110E182A4 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2403E240CB for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62CB34AC027 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:02:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E85734AC025 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:02:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3914 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2009 01:02:36 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 02:02:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af76a32311376789618724 Actually, as surgeries go, it was a piece of cake. The anesthetic they give you doesn't totally knock you out. You're supposed to be awake enough to respond to commands such as: "Look down" (I got that one 3 times). However, I was totally unaware of them having cut the eye. At some point I was watching what was a psychedelic light show of undulating red, blue and white lights that seemed to go on for a couple of minutes. Not sure what it was except maybe the ultrasonic homogenizer that they use to break up the old lens. Next thing I knew I was mostly awake and being wheeled out of the operating room back to my staging area where I stayed for about 1-1/2 hours before being discharged. The entire surgery requires about 10 minutes and there was never any pain. The eye felt a bit irritated throughout the day but that was resolved by rinsing occassionally with artificial tears. My vision was initially like looking through a heavy fog but the fog rapidly dissipated over several days. I have no qualms whatsoever about getting the right side done in the morning. Chuck Norcutt Russ Butler wrote: > That's really great! > > Modern medicine notwithstanding, it must be/have been incredibly scary > to have your eyes messed with. I'm glad it has worked out well. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 02:05:42 2009 Received: (qmail 19992 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 01:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 01:05:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159DEE182CA for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:05:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAD4E240CB for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:05:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DADD19FA30 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:05:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E348419FA62 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:05:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5869 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2009 01:05:32 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Nov 2009 01:05:32 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF76ADC.1000008@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:05:32 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091108-1, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 02:05:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af76ae6134884877110844 My dad had a torn retina and scleral buckle. Read my earlier response and you'll see that cataract removal is truly a piece of cake relative to your scleral buckle. Not even close. Chuck Norcutt Michael Collins wrote: > On 11/8/09 7:39 PM, Russ Butler wrote: >> Modern medicine notwithstanding, it must be/have been incredibly scary >> to have your eyes messed with. > > Indeed. I had minor surgery the other year to repair a retinal detachment > (minor detachment, corrected with a scleral buckle - not fully around the > eye, but localised), and there are two points when you really wonder. First > when you drift out of the anaesthesic haze and realise the eye is packed and > bandaged shut. And scarier - when the bandage and packing is being removed > and you're wondering if sight is going to return, and if there's any > impairment. > > On a lesser scale is Nd:YAG laser treatment (cauterisation, I suppose) for > retinal tears. Massive green light as if there's been a thermonuclear > explosion in the room, and a weird and disconcerting stinging feeling > somewhere deep behind the eye, and then it takes many minutes before sight > slowly returns to normal. > > Yahoo indeed for the first eye. Best wishes for tomorrow's procedure, Chuck. > > Michael > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 02:21:29 2009 Received: (qmail 17044 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 01:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 01:21:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42AD5E18228 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8FDE240CB for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4278F19FCE0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:21:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB1F19FC68 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:21:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0109.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0207.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0109.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4F463744 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:21:23 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0207 Received: by dm0207.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d15b36b2) id dm0207.4aedf9bd.13e4e3f for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:21:23 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMTtrlK926ToB5f/gIAAAAB,65545c67e333f952cd5ab3ae9337d4a7 X-Vipre-Scanned: 0192C8C200157A0192CA0F-TDI Message-ID: <4AF76E91.1050805@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:21:21 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF1FE63.10507@spokeandsprocket.com> <6D740281-E180-4902-9F9A-653701D57645@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <6D740281-E180-4902-9F9A-653701D57645@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] DxO Pro now supports Olympus DSLRs X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 02:21:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af76e99305961136683642 Chris, That's odd, I had no problems, and don't recall any download manager whatsoever. Jim Couch Chris Barker wrote: > Thanks, Jim. > > But when I downloaded the trial version (to see if it would do the > necessary with my LX3 RAW files) it failed. I'm not sure I trust > applications that need a Download Manager, anyway ... > > So I have deleted all trace of the application and its "managers". > > Chris > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 02:37:58 2009 Received: (qmail 1544 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 01:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 01:37:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E0BE182A1 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F921E240CB for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:37:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62CC19FD87 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:37:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5515E19FD86 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:37:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:37:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2947308bwz.30 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:37:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.125.19 with SMTP id c19mr2768958mun.59.1257730670375; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:37:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6f8422750911081558g47faf267ne860b0e0e521f865@mail.gmail.com> References: <4af70ac4.1c185e0a.363d.2653@mx.google.com> <6f8422750911081547u16def194xf45018239a260e49@mail.gmail.com> <6f8422750911081558g47faf267ne860b0e0e521f865@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:37:50 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911081737k73d89e86y41ec5e23aa0297a1@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] disabling adobe gamma at startup only. X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 02:37:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af7727655772013633067 Nope. Had lo delete everything into Calibration. Left the folder there just in case. Cleaned the registry. Now it doesn't load at startup. I will miss it - and could hardly compare how good or bad it matched the datacolor device. I can tell it matched quite well what I could do at lagom.com - the site C.H. recommended. Fernando. 2009/11/8 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile : > Seems it's this one, isn't it? > > C:\Documents and Settings\Fernando\Men=FA Inicio > > 2009/11/8 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile : > > >> Only that I cannot tell right now where that folder is. >> Having switched OS makes me lose my track and forget Windows too easily. >> -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 03:53:49 2009 Received: (qmail 3191 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 02:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 02:53:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8778E1829F for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:53:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0A5E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B688634AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:53:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BD834AC026 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:53:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so840968fxm.30 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:53:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.87.35 with SMTP id p35mr2856369mul.75.1257735220873; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:53:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF74A63.1070004@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CC2ED8FBE94943-327C-39121@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <4AF74A63.1070004@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:53:39 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911081853u4fad692exb872e448022487f2@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 03:53:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af7843d85212013633067 Yes, I bet you will - had been studying some ophthalmology lately, since my mother suffered an acute episode of glaucoma. Don't want to go into details, but besides a possible iris surgery, her mild cataracts will be removed at the same time. We're waiting how much does she recover from a side-complication of cool laser iridectomy. But how is it that you have an OM 1 w/o an Eyecup and a proper diopter correction glass ... Fernando. 2009/11/8 Chuck Norcutt : > The real proof of the pudding will be if I can do as well on an OM-1 > which has no diopter adjustment. =A0I think the answer is yes but it will > take some film to prove it. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 03:57:16 2009 Received: (qmail 28148 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 02:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 02:57:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC8FE1824E for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299D6E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:57:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A76B1A0421 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:57:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898D11A041E for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:57:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sgomez.baja@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pz0-f172.google.com (mail-pz0-f172.google.com [209.85.222.172]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:57:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by pzk2 with SMTP id 2so1808346pzk.26 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:57:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.6.20 with SMTP id 20mr723970wff.262.1257735430257; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:57:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <117297.92758.qm@web86009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <4AF70483.9020908@chucknorcutt.com> <117297.92758.qm@web86009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:57:10 -0800 Message-ID: <5bc0258e0911081857m5e556455r3fa36d57948f1d92@mail.gmail.com> From: Scott Gomez To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Windows 7 "upgrade", was: Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 03:57:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af7850c35921006886880 Frankly, it was this sort of madness from Microsoft that convinced me to switch to Linux. If I have to do a format-install OS-reinstall all apps-search for drivers sort of thing--and worse--pay for the "privilege", I reasoned, then why not get off the Microsoft treadmill altogether? It's not like you get any sort of support from Microsoft (or Adobe) for anything that really matters. And that was just for home. For work, this sort of thing would have to be repeated over 700 times. I'm can quite comfortably state that for the "average" user (one not needing any sort of specialized application that may not be available for Linux) there's clearly no need to stay on Windows. I've been running Linux exclusively for some years now, and the newest versions of Linux are far better than those older version with which I started. One time to either install-Ubuntu will retain your existing Windows installation and set up a dual-boot environment or to format while installing (at many times the speed of Microsoft's formatter) thus ridding yourself of Windows and its many security issues. You end up with a system just as easy to use, and having all the requisite applications--often including full file compatibility with those from Microsoft. I would (and have) recommended getting the latest Ubuntu Linux distribution to many folks as an alternative. My wife's upper-70s mother has been happily using her installation for well over a year now, and she was a completely new computer user when we first helped her get the machine. For myself, Digikam (or F-spot) for photo organization, the GIMP for editing, and Hugin for panoramics serve perfectly well. Cost: $0. My money goes to hardware upgrades now, or to paid direct support of *my* problem (should I ever need it) or to a donation towards further development instead. The nice thing is it's my choice where it goes :-) Upgrades? Dead easy. Click the button, and Ubuntu (or Fedora, or...) do the rest. Even better, with a very simple modification to the installation, one can have a drive partition for one's data that can safely "ride through" a full operating system reformat-and-reload. I'd say having to reformat and install to get from Xp to Win7 makes a perfect opportunity. It's a helluva lot less expensive, and if it should prove that you don't like it, you can always go back to Windoze. --- Scott Gomez On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:32 AM, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > Chuck, > Thanks for that link, > It seems that Vista to Windoze 7 is straightforward but > XP (which I quite like) could turn out to be a pain in the backside! > Food for thought! > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 04:40:59 2009 Received: (qmail 13565 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 03:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 03:40:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE91E1819F for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65972E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:40:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4888834AC026 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:40:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E5434AC025 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:40:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:40:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15375 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2009 03:40:52 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Nov 2009 03:40:52 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF78F44.2070405@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:40:52 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC2ED8FBE94943-327C-39121@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <4AF74A63.1070004@chucknorcutt.com> <6f8422750911081853u4fad692exb872e448022487f2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6f8422750911081853u4fad692exb872e448022487f2@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091108-1, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 04:40:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af78f4b218404877110844 I do have an eyecup and what *was* a proper diopter glass... The truth is I used to have two of them and lost one in the snow... they fall off easily. I've been reluctant to let the other one outside. Eyecups are readily available. The proper glass isn't. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Yes, I bet you will - had been studying some ophthalmology lately, > since my mother suffered an acute episode of glaucoma. > Don't want to go into details, but besides a possible iris surgery, > her mild cataracts will be removed at the same time. > We're waiting how much does she recover from a side-complication of > cool laser iridectomy. > > But how is it that you have an OM 1 w/o an Eyecup and a proper diopter > correction glass ... > > Fernando. > > 2009/11/8 Chuck Norcutt : >> The real proof of the pudding will be if I can do as well on an OM-1 >> which has no diopter adjustment. I think the answer is yes but it will >> take some film to prove it. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 04:43:29 2009 Received: (qmail 25268 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 03:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 03:43:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B86BE181CC for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74450E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDFC34AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:43:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA4334AC026 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:43:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16733 invoked by uid 504); 9 Nov 2009 03:43:22 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Nov 2009 03:43:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF78FD9.7000405@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:43:21 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4AF70483.9020908@chucknorcutt.com> <117297.92758.qm@web86009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <5bc0258e0911081857m5e556455r3fa36d57948f1d92@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5bc0258e0911081857m5e556455r3fa36d57948f1d92@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091108-1, 11/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Windows 7 "upgrade", was: Zuiko 250/f2.0 samples X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 04:43:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af78fe1277896107113666 As soon as PhotoShop is on Linux I'll go there. Chuck Norcutt Scott Gomez wrote: > Frankly, it was this sort of madness from Microsoft that convinced me to > switch to Linux. If I have to do a format-install OS-reinstall all > apps-search for drivers sort of thing--and worse--pay for the "privilege", I > reasoned, then why not get off the Microsoft treadmill altogether? It's not > like you get any sort of support from Microsoft (or Adobe) for anything that > really matters. > > And that was just for home. For work, this sort of thing would have to be > repeated over 700 times. > > I'm can quite comfortably state that for the "average" user (one not needing > any sort of specialized application that may not be available for Linux) > there's clearly no need to stay on Windows. I've been running Linux > exclusively for some years now, and the newest versions of Linux are far > better than those older version with which I started. One time to either > install-Ubuntu will retain your existing Windows installation and set up a > dual-boot environment or to format while installing (at many times the speed > of Microsoft's formatter) thus ridding yourself of Windows and its many > security issues. You end up with a system just as easy to use, and having > all the requisite applications--often including full file compatibility with > those from Microsoft. > > I would (and have) recommended getting the latest Ubuntu Linux distribution > to many folks as an alternative. My wife's upper-70s mother has been happily > using her installation for well over a year now, and she was a completely > new computer user when we first helped her get the machine. > > For myself, Digikam (or F-spot) for photo organization, the GIMP for > editing, and Hugin for panoramics serve perfectly well. Cost: $0. My money > goes to hardware upgrades now, or to paid direct support of *my* problem > (should I ever need it) or to a donation towards further development > instead. The nice thing is it's my choice where it goes :-) > > Upgrades? Dead easy. Click the button, and Ubuntu (or Fedora, or...) do the > rest. Even better, with a very simple modification to the installation, one > can have a drive partition for one's data that can safely "ride through" a > full operating system reformat-and-reload. I'd say having to reformat and > install to get from Xp to Win7 makes a perfect opportunity. It's a helluva > lot less expensive, and if it should prove that you don't like it, you can > always go back to Windoze. > > --- > Scott Gomez > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:32 AM, JOHN DUGGAN > wrote: > >> Regards >> John Duggan, >> Wales, UK >> Chuck, >> Thanks for that link, >> It seems that Vista to Windoze 7 is straightforward but >> XP (which I quite like) could turn out to be a pain in the backside! >> Food for thought! >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 04:46:36 2009 Received: (qmail 7364 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 03:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 03:46:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91E7E181D8 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:46:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6668FE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4412434AC025 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:46:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F395534AC024 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:46:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA93kUmK002347 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:46:30 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.c9d.52ddc823 (14457) for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:46:28 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:42:02 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Free 75-150 spoken for . . . X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 04:46:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af7909c226392439112457 In other words, it is on its way to a new home. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 05:00:43 2009 Received: (qmail 31000 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 04:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 04:00:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F31E1822C for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:00:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B4EE240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:00:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789F81A04D9 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:00:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54BB1A04D7 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:00:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:00:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so3002498bwz.30 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:00:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.125.35 with SMTP id c35mr2851720mun.30.1257739235593; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:00:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AF78F44.2070405@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CC2ED8FBE94943-327C-39121@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> <4AF74A63.1070004@chucknorcutt.com> <6f8422750911081853u4fad692exb872e448022487f2@mail.gmail.com> <4AF78F44.2070405@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 02:00:35 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750911082000y2cc63e8ep1e15a0c60306f436@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Yahoo! Chuck can focus again X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 05:00:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af793eb2072439112457 Yes, I had to order my first one during 1982 - summer 2007 almost lost it - more: almost crushed it under the wheels of my car. Almost. Thanks Bill Barber, I have my second one, a -4 original Olympus for Eyecup1. For cataracts only, I think it shouldn't be difficult to make one done. At least here. Wait until full recovery to order a diopter lens: I wouldn't spend money and hopes on one done before, but a roll of film is inexpensive - regarding the situation as a whole. Good luck ... anyone needs it :-) Fernando 2009/11/9 Chuck Norcutt : > Eyecups are readily available. =A0The proper glass isn't. > > Chuck Norcutt > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 05:10:32 2009 Received: (qmail 6645 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 04:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 04:10:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B24E18229 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:10:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D00E240B0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:10:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14641A04EB for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:10:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5473D1A04EA for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:10:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.146]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:10:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 26so82460eyw.8 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:10:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.9 with SMTP id d9mr2288321wef.201.1257739823189; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:10:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:10:23 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0911082010x6bb6d978uf6845cf65f3e63b@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] [IMGs] Isis of West Branch X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 9 05:10:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4af79638211111946193717 Some photos are linked below, but a bit of context first. Jez posted this last July regarding Herbert Hoover and US relief to Belgium in WWI: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote: > Specifically re: Leuven (my nearest town): > > "After WW1 the US Commission for the Relief of Belgium, originally set up= by > Herbert Hoover to deal with the war famine, was converted into a scholars= hip > foundation financing Master or PhD studies in the US. Hundreds of Leuven= =92s > professors were trained there and came back with new cutting-edge abiliti= es > and a culture of research." After an outing with my friend Paul C., during which OMs caught some of the day's beautiful light, I rode to West Branch, Iowa, and stopped at the Herbert Hoover Presidential Library. It's a pleasant if snoozy place, with the Hoover birthplace home and a restored neighborhood surrounding it, in addition to the library itself. There is also, oddly, a sculpture of Isis, which is extremely tough to photograph because it was set with her face to the north so that it is always in shadows against the sky in this quadrant of the world. (This is actually appropriate when you see the sculpture.) I had not noted before that the sculpture was a gift from the Belgian people for the Hoover library. In the context of Jez's information, the whole experience of being with Isis on a beautiful late fall afternoon was especially meaningful. What a great community to be part of! http://jfwilcox.jalbum.net/Isis%20of%20West%20Branch/ Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Nov 9 06:10:35 2009 Received: (qmail 32098 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2009 05:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 05:10:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3C6