From nilsf Tue Dec 1 00:17:29 2009 Received: (qmail 19528 invoked by uid 0); 30 Nov 2009 23:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Nov 2009 23:17:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A007E1829D for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:17:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47535E24AA2 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:17:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A9E1CD497 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:17:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8191CD490 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:17:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:17:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091130231721.YTVH1916.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:17:21 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id BbHL1d0054Z9Gks02bHLYp; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:17:21 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=jnGrSijjJoNYJjqaGjHjHA5Zz6aBRYMtiL5zuTdJxhw= c=1 sm=1 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:17 a=1fG2uLwU8xo6lLB1YJAA:9 a=pX_KROckSTEcCAGkTSvMagKkHhMA:4 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <872979ED46DC4C479F73C2D79A22CCEF@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> <02443249A63A410F85D81738A3C8479D@jimnichols> <4B1448E9.7020705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:17:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: [OM] question for Dr. Battery X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 00:17:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14528976105368819438 What's the latest on rechargable AA batteries for shoe mount strobes? I went to the Thomas Dist. site and found a Maha charger and "low discharge" NiMH batteries that I think I remember from a previous discussion. But that was at least a year ago. What's the latest? Bill pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 00:22:30 2009 Received: (qmail 15760 invoked by uid 0); 30 Nov 2009 23:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Nov 2009 23:22:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DEDE1822E for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E951DE24AA2 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B8434AC007 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:22:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9B134AC005 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:22:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.237]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nAUNMMbo007821 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:22:22 +1100 Message-Id: <200911302322.nAUNMMbo007821@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:22:21 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:22:21 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Lumix 7-14, was: IMG: Angels-01 - Carlos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 00:22:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1453b6114149730998309 > Ken Norton wrote: > > > None of these pictures reveal the thong, but you can see in the second > and > third blobs from the bottom of the flare shot how the flare folds in on > itself. This is something I've seen happen with the Zuiko 35-80 F2.8 too > and > that lens also has thong-shaped flare blobs at certain focal lengths and > f-stops. > > The challenge for any budding photographer is to strategically place the > thong-shaped flare blob on somebody in a photograph. > Ok, I have seen that effect on some shots, but can't remember which lens was used. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 00:59:47 2009 Received: (qmail 13077 invoked by uid 0); 30 Nov 2009 23:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 30 Nov 2009 23:59:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BBBDE18236 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4547E24AA2 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B34A1CD487 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:59:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337051CD485 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:59:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (cygnus@ctgonline.org whitelisted) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16586 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2009 17:59:29 -0600 Received-SPF: none (no valid SPF record) Received: from pool-96-248-134-223.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO ?192.168.1.231?) 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Lots of good reviews, the Leica glass also reviewed very favorably. It's also the right size. Opinions? Paul Braun Certified Music Junkie "It's the miracle of Life -- ain't it good to be alive?" -- Jim Peterik "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." -- David St. Hubbins "Music washes from the soul the dust of everyday life" - Harlan Howard -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 02:42:52 2009 Received: (qmail 23355 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 01:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 01:42:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C23E18229 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDECE24AA2 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A201CD481 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:42:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDC71CD487 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:42:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB11ggFe000702 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:42:42 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:42:25 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 02:42:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14749c155961076813867 When you shot RAW and push the exposure to near 1 stop you will see it. Here is an example: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7622.CR2 (8MB) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilcox" > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: >> Just a note to the potential buyer for 5D II (I heard similar problem on >> 50D >> too). I found some pattern noise on my 5D II at low ISO so searched the >> net >> and found some peoples reported similar problem. The only solution is to >> avoid under exposure.... :-( >> >> http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00Rjyp > > In other words, if you underexpose 1 stop and use the raw converter to > bring up the exposure to normal, there will be some banding? If that > is what you mean, would this occur even in exposures where all of the > pixels are visible in the histogram (i.e., no clipping at the left)? > > Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 02:46:57 2009 Received: (qmail 15271 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 01:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 01:46:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEE2E18229 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8A7E24AA2 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01021CD481 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:46:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E8E1CD485 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:46:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:46:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB11knU2001723 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:46:49 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <3462530AAD984CC0A60A15F03F76CB90@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><4B0B6962.8060005@gmail.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <4B13FD79.8000009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:46:27 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 02:46:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b147591103539752976205 I have firmware version 1.10, it is the same trick like E-3 AF problem = solution, it doesn't work at all. I'm very disappointed with the 5D II, it = is a piece of shit! Even the E-520 is better in this department. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Chuck Norcutt" You didn't read to the end of the forum where you'll find a pointer to this: -------------------------------------------------------------------- We have learned that some users of the Canon EOS 5D Mark II digital SLR camera have identified two types of image quality phenomena that appear under certain shooting conditions. 1. =93Black dot" phenomenon (the right side of point light sources becomes black) 2. Vertical banding noise Firmware Version 1.0.7 that improves and mitigates these phenomena is now available for download ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Just a note to the potential buyer for 5D II (I heard similar problem on = > 50D > too). I found some pattern noise on my 5D II at low ISO so searched the = > net > and found some peoples reported similar problem. The only solution is to > avoid under exposure.... :-( > > http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00Rjyp > > C.H.Ling > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 02:54:22 2009 Received: (qmail 12209 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 01:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 01:54:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390C1E1805E for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AADE24AA2 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09F11CD490 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:54:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6B31CD488 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:54:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB11sFTv003655 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:54:15 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <1E3E500CC967436B85114A68C83CBC9B@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome> <2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome> <2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com> <4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com><4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com><4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN><9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <4B13F707.10905@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:54:06 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 02:54:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14774e252312439112457 No, I just checked my E-3 RAW image, push two stops and no such problem. No again, you need a higher resolution sensor to out-resolve the Zuikos, may be 40-80MP. But do you really need that high resolution? For me 12MP is enough (except for lens test). C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "SwissPace" > Doesn't this happen in all DLSR's I see this in the E-3 images when I > really push the shadows although it comes as horizontal banding. maybe > the nickons are better. > > On the subject of the 5D mark II - sorry to bring this up again but its > a big investment so a question for anyone who is using OM zuiko glass > on theirs, is it out-resolving the zuiko lenses?, I am close to buying > one but if the sensor out-resolves my 90/2 180/2 21/2 etc then I may as > well buy a 5D and a camcorder - If I buy one I plan to buy one canyon > lens for snapshots and the rest of the time zuiko glass will live on it. > I have pretty much reached sufficiency in all other areas of my > photographic hobby now I just need a DSLR I am happy with (then I can > get back to taking pictures ;-) ). > > > > On 30/11/2009 17:29, Joel Wilcox wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM, C.H.Ling >> wrote: >> >>> Just a note to the potential buyer for 5D II (I heard similar problem on >>> 50D -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 03:01:09 2009 Received: (qmail 8479 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 02:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 02:01:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B99E18198 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49988E24AA2 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:01:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC3F34AC025 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:01:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AC434AC007 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:01:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:01:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB1212US005306 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:01:02 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <03006A898741496D88DF41AF87892EB3@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:00:46 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 03:01:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1478e5104051258626592 I have tried both CS4 and Can*n DPP both have the same problem, another problem I found at the same time is CS4 failed the color accuracy to a great extend on the shadow, that is why I always stick with original RAW converter from camera manufacturer. I won't consider 1 stop is deep, check the RAW I just posted. I may try "dark exposure" compensation but this is not a "real" solution. For such an expensive camera I didn't expect it is so poor! C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > I'm curious as to whether a change in RAW converters might clear that > noise > pattern. I've had similar patterns with my A1 and E1 and when I open the > files in RawTherapee I change from one algorithm to another and it has a > huge impact on pattern noise. It makes me suspect that the 5DMk2, as well > as > the 50D, might have a slightly different RGBG configuration than previous > cameras. > > Regardless, one has to dig pretty deep to get that noise, though. > > If the noise pattern is fixed, you might be able to do a "dark exposure" > for > inverting on the real photo. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 04:44:55 2009 Received: (qmail 32440 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 03:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 03:44:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EE0E181AC for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7790E24AA2 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA1619F94B for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:44:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F3919F941 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:44:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:44:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27654 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 03:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.197.126) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 03:44:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4B149125.3040601@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:44:37 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0FB796AF-2779-493C-949E-6237C9028399@ctgonline.org> In-Reply-To: <0FB796AF-2779-493C-949E-6237C9028399@ctgonline.org> Subject: Re: [OM] P&S - narrowed the list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 04:44:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14913739496107113666 Paul wrote: > Thinking of upping the budget a little and going either Lumix ZS1 or ZS3. > > Lots of good reviews, the Leica glass also reviewed very favorably. It's also the right size. > > Opinions? > I looked at them quite closely, and was generally impressed, for what they are. They were joint winners of the DPR SuperZoom Test. You can find fairly detailed write-ups, comparisons to the competition and full pixel samples there, to show what to expect. An interesting newer camera in that category is the Fuji F70EXR. Sensor hardly bigger than the Panny's, but a different sensor design that seems to have some advantages. In the end, I concluded that I'm too much of a pixel peeper to be happy with the pixel level results of this category You might take a look at the ZR1. Looks to be a another variant on the Panny "Z" theme, but quite a bit smaller and lighter at only the cost of the long end of the zoom, 25-200 vs. 25-300. Given that zooming is slow on them and that, like others, they are probably slow to grab focus at the long end, it might be a reasonable trade-off. If you are really looking for a replacement for a Stylus and the IQ of film, your budget is more flexible, and a really long zoom range isn't necessary, you might also consider moving to a camera with a bigger sensor. That tends to be where the rubber meets the road in IQ. Two very different cameras with the next size up sensors are the Panny LX3 and Canon G11. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 05:09:46 2009 Received: (qmail 17710 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 04:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 04:09:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED92E18228 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:09:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A07E240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF93019F981 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:09:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E5619F972 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:09:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16746 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 04:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.197.126) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 04:09:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1496FF.6090404@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:09:35 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> <02443249A63A410F85D81738A3C8479D@jimnichols> <4B1448E9.7020705@chucknorcutt.com> <872979ED46DC4C479F73C2D79A22CCEF@SueHome> In-Reply-To: <872979ED46DC4C479F73C2D79A22CCEF@SueHome> Subject: Re: [OM] question for Dr. Battery X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 05:09:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14970a166913900897491 Sue Pearce wrote: > What's the latest on rechargable AA batteries for shoe mount strobes? I went to the Thomas Dist. site and found a Maha charger and "low discharge" NiMH batteries that I think I remember from a previous discussion. > > But that was at least a year ago. What's the latest? > I've been very happy with the eneloops I bought and a combo of the charger that came with some of them and a Lacrosse Technology BC-700U charger. The Sanyo charger works fine, but with pairs only, and I use them in some devices that use one or three cells. The Lacrosse charger has full charge info and control individually for each of up to four cells. Other makers, both name and generic brands, have come out with similar sounding batteries. Whether they are as good as the eneloops, I don't know. Better, I'd bet not. I haven't kept up, 'cause I'm not in the market. I very seldom use flash, so I know little about how they fare in that use. The one time I used a set in the 540EZ for an event, they breezed through. They are certainly great for everything I've tried them in. I think that the use where they wouldn't be best is really heavy flash use where batteries can be fully charged the night before and maximum flashes per charge is needed. There, one would go with the highest capacity normal NiMh batteries available. I read, although I'm not sure where in my initial research, thta the highest capacity cells also have a fairly fast drop off in usable capacity with heavy use. Still, out of the budget for a major pro shoot, one could simply replace them regularly. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 05:16:17 2009 Received: (qmail 10212 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 04:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 04:16:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F10FE181A8 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A56E240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F5C34AC027 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:16:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC1034AC025 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:16:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4233571fxm.8 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:16:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.153 with SMTP id k25mr519311hbe.68.1259640971084; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:16:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <03006A898741496D88DF41AF87892EB3@MAIN> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome> <2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com> <4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <03006A898741496D88DF41AF87892EB3@MAIN> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:16:11 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 97567c0c67a6d4c5 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 05:16:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14989157315683411216 > > I won't consider 1 stop is deep, check the RAW I just posted. > I push my E-1 files two stops without pattern noise. Well, it might be there, but the other noise kinda gets in the way. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 06:04:09 2009 Received: (qmail 28973 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 05:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 05:04:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F324E1822D for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9900CE240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:04:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657DD34AC005 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:04:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B406B3610003 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:04:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:04:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB153xhO026065 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:03:59 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN><03006A898741496D88DF41AF87892EB3@MAIN> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:03:51 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 06:04:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14a3c9168231946193717 Just checked an undered ISO200 E-1 file, yes, there is other noise when pushed two stops but the noise is very pleasing. Some random noise is ok to me but pattern noise is very ugly. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > > >> I won't consider 1 stop is deep, check the RAW I just posted. >> > > I push my E-1 files two stops without pattern noise. Well, it might be > there, but the other noise kinda gets in the way. :) > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 06:17:46 2009 Received: (qmail 12168 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 05:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 05:17:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81098E1829D for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03200E240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:17:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36D834AC025 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:17:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD6534AC005 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:17:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:17:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22509 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 05:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.197.126) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 05:17:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:17:34 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 06:17:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14a6fa63361413256596 C.H.Ling wrote: > When you shot RAW and push the exposure to near 1 stop you will see it. Here is an example: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7622.CR2 (8MB) > I can understand your frustration. I appreciate all the effort you have gone to to give me more reasons to put off any rash purchase to replace my 5D. ;-) Still, it doesn't seem insurmountable. NeatImage does quite a nice job of eliminating the banding noise. I think that without the roll-over to compare, no one would notice the very subtle pattern left in the darkest areas at step one. A second application really cleans it up, if necessary. With this image, there isn't a noticeable effect, at least to me, on detail in the lighter areas. Where there is an effect, the NI layer may simply be masked to only affect the dark areas. I think the noise gives a sense of detail in the darkest smoke, but I think it's false. Upon close inspection, it seems to me that the first step loses no actual subject detail at all, and the second step maybe a tiny bit. A. Neat(Image) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 06:40:56 2009 Received: (qmail 27494 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 05:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 05:40:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB76E1822C for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:40:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2A7E240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF1819FA7B for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:40:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184D419FA76 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:40:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15190 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 05:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.198.75) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 05:40:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4B14AC5D.8050301@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:40:45 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 06:40:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14ac6872051258626592 Jim Nichols wrote: > I find that Thanksgiving gatherings are for grownups. Children often get bored. This was just another opportunity to grab a shot of one of my great-granddaughters. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Let+Me+Down.jpg.html > > Comments and critiques welcomed. > Nice capture! Looks like nap time to me, too, but it's been some time since I had to judge that. I suppose it's my picky eyes again. Still, I just love the super fine, soft texture of skin on these little ones, and the noise makes it look like there is dried food all over, not just in parts, sort of a baby oatmeal texture. So - I like it a lot better with a little NR. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 06:42:12 2009 Received: (qmail 16178 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 05:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 05:42:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0510E181CB for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:42:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28319E240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADDA19FA76 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:41:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 856BF19FA7B for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:41:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16542 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 05:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.198.75) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 05:41:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4B14AC9A.2050105@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:41:46 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 06:42:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14acb4117041744846740 Chris Barker wrote: > And here are a few shots of our granddaughter, 5 months old and playing on our bed in the morning, the weekend before last: > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100093 > > E-420 and 25/2.8 at ISO 800, catalogued and output with Aperture. > Very Cute! Looks like she will need a hairdresser soon. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 06:55:34 2009 Received: (qmail 16892 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 05:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 05:55:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B831E18214 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D60E240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3804919FA91 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:55:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E8319FA8E for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:55:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail124c26.carrierzone.com (mail124c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.134]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:55:27 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail124c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id nB15tNFL014279 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:55:25 GMT Message-ID: <9CB969361DB14805895987996D87E72D@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B14AC5D.8050301@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:55:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 06:55:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14afd669431234514069 Hi Moose, I knew that, at ISO 800, I would get some noise, and I did apply some NR during RAW conversion. I have not had much luck with Neat Image except in sky areas. Sorry that I offended your sensitivities, but, for a family snap with existing light, it works ok for me. I will take another look and see if I can spot your noise. Incidently, she had finished her plate, so there could well be food residue around her chin. ;-) Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image > Jim Nichols wrote: >> I find that Thanksgiving gatherings are for grownups. Children often get >> bored. This was just another opportunity to grab a shot of one of my >> great-granddaughters. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Let+Me+Down.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> > > Nice capture! Looks like nap time to me, too, but it's been some time > since I had to judge that. > > I suppose it's my picky eyes again. Still, I just love the super fine, > soft texture of skin on these little ones, and the noise makes it look > like there is dried food all over, not just in parts, sort of a baby > oatmeal texture. > > So - I like it a lot better with a little NR. > > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 07:02:23 2009 Received: (qmail 27931 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 06:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 06:02:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751B3E18228 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB68E240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5293434AC005 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:02:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A924234AC007 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:02:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:02:17 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id nB162D9r026802 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:02:16 GMT Message-ID: <44B6DEB30D744AED909B58E983C43264@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B14AC5D.8050301@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:02:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 07:02:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14b16f308659752976205 Moose, At 150%, I see what you are talking about. I will take another look at the RAW conversion and see if it can be improved, within my abilities to do so. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image > Jim Nichols wrote: >> I find that Thanksgiving gatherings are for grownups. Children often get >> bored. This was just another opportunity to grab a shot of one of my >> great-granddaughters. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Let+Me+Down.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> > > Nice capture! Looks like nap time to me, too, but it's been some time > since I had to judge that. > > I suppose it's my picky eyes again. Still, I just love the super fine, > soft texture of skin on these little ones, and the noise makes it look > like there is dried food all over, not just in parts, sort of a baby > oatmeal texture. > > So - I like it a lot better with a little NR. > > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 07:18:09 2009 Received: (qmail 11547 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 06:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 06:18:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE9DE181B1 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B98E240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547021CD486 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573631CD481 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29832 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 06:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.195.149) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 06:17:57 -0000 Message-ID: <4B14B510.6070208@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:17:52 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome> <2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome> <2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com> <4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 07:18:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14b521233591234514069 Joel Wilcox wrote: > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > >> Just a note to the potential buyer for 5D II (I heard similar problem on 50D >> too). I found some pattern noise on my 5D II at low ISO so searched the net >> and found some peoples reported similar problem. The only solution is to >> avoid under exposure.... :-( >> >> http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00Rjyp >> I'm fascinated at people complaining about pattern noise at ISO 25,600. That's FIVE stops faster than the rather noisy ISO 800 of just a few years ago! And it's so easy to deal with - apply NR. If that makes it too smooth for one's taste, just add back a little un-patterned noise. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 07:19:28 2009 Received: (qmail 4787 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 06:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 06:19:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68131E18228 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0E1E240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991F934AC027 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E736C34AC026 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2113.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1718B700008D; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:18:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (86.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2113.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E79F8700008A; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:18:01 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091201061801948.E79F8700008A@msfrf2113.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Leica Users Group , leicareflex@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:18:01 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [OM] IMG : Angels - 12 - At the Bank X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 07:19:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14b570243393900897491 Thanks all for viewing Angel # 11 and for commenting. Decorated by the school's children, the Kantonal Bank's Angel aka #12 is now open. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Angels/Engelberg-Angels-12-1140313.jpg.html (plus next to the right) C&C welcome as usual. Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 07:24:06 2009 Received: (qmail 18155 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 06:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 06:24:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17407E1822E for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F43E240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDB619FABE for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:24:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E94719FABB for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:23:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB16NvUI014497 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:23:57 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com><1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:23:49 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 07:24:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14b68619921006886880 NeatImage was the first thing I tried, it improves but I was not totally happy about the result, it left a trace of pattern when you look for it. Stronger NR may eliminate the pattern but I hate the lost of details and artificial look. I once do NI on almost all digital images but I found it look too smooth to my taste so later when I really need NI I leave some noise. Mask? what is mask, why I need that much work when other cheaper DSLRs don't require it. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > C.H.Ling wrote: >> When you shot RAW and push the exposure to near 1 stop you will see it. >> Here is an example: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7622.CR2 (8MB) >> > > I can understand your frustration. > > I appreciate all the effort you have gone to to give me more reasons to > put off any rash purchase to replace my 5D. ;-) > > Still, it doesn't seem insurmountable. NeatImage does quite a nice job > of eliminating the banding noise. > > > I think that without the roll-over to compare, no one would notice the > very subtle pattern left in the darkest areas at step one. A second > application really cleans it up, if necessary. > > With this image, there isn't a noticeable effect, at least to me, on > detail in the lighter areas. Where there is an effect, the NI layer may > simply be masked to only affect the dark areas. > > I think the noise gives a sense of detail in the darkest smoke, but I > think it's false. Upon close inspection, it seems to me that the first > step loses no actual subject detail at all, and the second step maybe a > tiny bit. > > A. Neat(Image) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 07:31:15 2009 Received: (qmail 18670 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 06:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 06:31:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21009E18256 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0EAE240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:31:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4D834AC007 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:31:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B869A34AC005 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:31:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:31:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 102 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:45:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <268D1BF6-ABFC-4175-B921-E13510D59559@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:31:04 +0200 References: <4B0FAC79.2030200@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Hmmm, very interesting... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 07:31:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14b833224591073733319 I agree, the mage looks extremely noisy, it's as if the HP5 has been pushed to ISO 3200 or so. For comparison, here is my quickly but badly printed old HP5 (35mm) negative I found of my wife (mentioned earlier): http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/313/8/5/Jeanetta____1998_by_philosomatographer.jpg P.S. You have to excuse the badly dodged dress, I was in a hurry, and the ergonomics of my darkroom are not yet conducive for finer-detail dodging, and this was a small print. On 30 Nov 2009, at 4:47 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> < >> http://www.ephotozine.com/article/31-year-old-images-of-Bob-Dylan-developed-12615 >>> >> > > > Blown highlights and noisy shadows. Also, look at the DoF--it must > have been > taken with a smaller format because selective focus is a bit thick-- > the two > mike stands are kinda distracting. > > It would have been a much better picture had the photographer taken > it with > the Canon 5DMk2, Nikon D3 or D700. > > Maybe Moose can fix it. > > AG (ornery) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 07:54:27 2009 Received: (qmail 32155 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 06:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 06:54:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D6FE181AC for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D221E240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:54:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072A71CD488 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:54:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A859D1CD486 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:54:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (cygnus@ctgonline.org whitelisted) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:54:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19263 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2009 00:54:20 -0600 Received-SPF: none (no valid SPF record) Received: from pool-96-248-134-223.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.248.134.223) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 00:54:20 -0600 Message-ID: <4B14BD9C.7060606@ctgonline.org> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:54:20 -0600 From: Paul Braun User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0FB796AF-2779-493C-949E-6237C9028399@ctgonline.org> <4B149125.3040601@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4B149125.3040601@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] P&S - narrowed the list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 07:54:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14bda317829730998309 Moose wrote: > Paul wrote: >> Thinking of upping the budget a little and going either Lumix ZS1 or ZS3. >> >> Lots of good reviews, the Leica glass also reviewed very favorably. It's also the right size. >> > An interesting newer camera in that category is the Fuji F70EXR. Sensor > hardly bigger than the Panny's, but a different sensor design that seems > to have some advantages. In the end, I concluded that I'm too much of a > pixel peeper to be happy with the pixel level results of this category > OK, I just spent the last hour reading comparison reviews of the Pannys and that Fuji, and have come away thinking the Fuji might be a better fit for me. And it's cheaper. Primarily, it has better indoor/low-light performance. IQ is very nice. > > If you are really looking for a replacement for a Stylus and the IQ of > film, your budget is more flexible, and a really long zoom range isn't > necessary, you might also consider moving to a camera with a bigger > sensor. That tends to be where the rubber meets the road in IQ. Two very > different cameras with the next size up sensors are the Panny LX3 and > Canon G11. > Yeah, but that's outside the budget. $300 was the absolute top, $200 would be more better. After all of the suggestions and reviews and comparisions, I'm thinking I'll be ordering the F70EXR next payday. Thanks, guys. Appreciate the help. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March "Music washes from the soul the dust of everyday life" - Harlan Howard -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 08:52:56 2009 Received: (qmail 19310 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 07:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 07:52:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8655E181D8 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:52:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C253BE240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:52:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A311CD487 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:52:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B568F1CD48A for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:52:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so3890445ewy.30 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.104.78 with SMTP id n14mr6047324ebo.22.1259653968819; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm2990889ewy.2.2009.11.30.23.52.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:52:48 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:52:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4B14AC9A.2050105@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> <4B14AC9A.2050105@gmail.com> Message-Id: <49F8C469-F3C0-4F40-8A32-C68DACF87838@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 08:52:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14cb58180979752976205 Thanks, Moose, she is. I should have mentioned in my email to Jim that I know that there is a fair amount of blurring, but it all adds to the feeling of movement. Chris On 1 Dec 2009, at 05:41, Moose wrote: > Chris Barker wrote: >> And here are a few shots of our granddaughter, 5 months old and playing on our bed in the morning, the weekend before last: >> >> http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100093 >> >> E-420 and 25/2.8 at ISO 800, catalogued and output with Aperture. >> > > Very Cute! > > Looks like she will need a hairdresser soon. :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 08:54:14 2009 Received: (qmail 161 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 07:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 07:54:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F1BE18236 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:54:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5873AE240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E491CD48A for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:53:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C229F1CD488 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:53:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ew0-f213.google.com with SMTP id 5so3890445ewy.30 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.99.210 with SMTP id v18mr3513160ebn.48.1259653995388; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm2990889ewy.2.2009.11.30.23.53.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:53:14 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <02443249A63A410F85D81738A3C8479D@jimnichols> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:53:14 +0000 Message-Id: References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> <02443249A63A410F85D81738A3C8479D@jimnichols> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 08:54:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14cba6280035683411216 Thanks, Jim, Joel and Chuck. Chris On 30 Nov 2009, at 21:45, Jim Nichols wrote: > Nice shots of a beautiful young lady! Yes, E-things do work well at ISO > 800. Thanks for sharing. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 08:57:57 2009 Received: (qmail 11924 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 07:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 07:57:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DB3E181AC for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27718E240CA for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5611CD488 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:57:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D891CD486 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:57:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.149]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:57:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 26so1039233eyw.8 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.106.202 with SMTP id y10mr5707917ebo.35.1259654269105; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm3000456ewy.11.2009.11.30.23.57.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:57:48 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:57:47 +0000 In-Reply-To: <268D1BF6-ABFC-4175-B921-E13510D59559@solms.co.za> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B0FAC79.2030200@blueyonder.co.uk> <268D1BF6-ABFC-4175-B921-E13510D59559@solms.co.za> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Hmmm, very interesting... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 08:57:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14cc85185561234514069 Nice; I didn't notice the dodging ... Chris On 1 Dec 2009, at 06:31, Dawid Loubser wrote: > I agree, the mage looks extremely noisy, it's as if the HP5 has been > pushed > to ISO 3200 or so. For comparison, here is my quickly but badly printed > old HP5 (35mm) negative I found of my wife (mentioned earlier): > > http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/313/8/5/Jeanetta____1998_by_philosomatographer.jpg > > P.S. You have to excuse the badly dodged dress, I was in a hurry, and > the ergonomics of my > darkroom are not yet conducive for finer-detail dodging, and this was > a small print. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 09:02:32 2009 Received: (qmail 8312 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 08:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 08:02:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE34E1829F for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:02:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED300E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:02:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C478E1CD48A for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:02:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0AD1CD487 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:02:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB182O6c011594 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:02:24 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net><4B14AC9A.2050105@gmail.com> <49F8C469-F3C0-4F40-8A32-C68DACF87838@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:02:17 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 09:02:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14cd9834447801554290 Chris, I like your shots and the motion blur, it looks like you don't need IS to keep the still objects sharp too. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" > Thanks, Moose, she is. I should have mentioned in my email to Jim that I > know that there is a fair amount of blurring, but it all adds to the > feeling of movement. > > Chris > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 05:41, Moose wrote: > >> Chris Barker wrote: >>> And here are a few shots of our granddaughter, 5 months old and playing >>> on our bed in the morning, the weekend before last: >>> >>> http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100093 >>> >>> E-420 and 25/2.8 at ISO 800, catalogued and output with Aperture. >>> >> >> Very Cute! >> >> Looks like she will need a hairdresser soon. :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 09:12:30 2009 Received: (qmail 26522 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 08:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 08:12:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79612E1822D for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:12:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0FBE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7F71CD487 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:12:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522971CD486 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:12:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so3903316ewy.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.103.137 with SMTP id k9mr6071511ebo.0.1259655143798; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm2998093ewy.14.2009.12.01.00.12.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:12:23 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:12:22 +0000 Message-Id: <6C22C70B-C95E-4AA9-B1E3-EEA069564557@threeshoes.net> References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net><4B14AC9A.2050105@gmail.com> <49F8C469-F3C0-4F40-8A32-C68DACF87838@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 09:12:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14cfee13515034211378 Thanks, CH. She's an easy and delightful subject. Chris On 1 Dec 2009, at 08:02, C.H.Ling wrote: > Chris, I like your shots and the motion blur, it looks like you don't need > IS to keep the still objects sharp too. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Barker" > > >> Thanks, Moose, she is. I should have mentioned in my email to Jim that I >> know that there is a fair amount of blurring, but it all adds to the >> feeling of movement. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 09:24:53 2009 Received: (qmail 17347 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 08:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 08:24:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7380E181CF for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8C4E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7136634AC025 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:24:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DAD34AC007 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:24:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.148]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 26so1042887eyw.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.96.205 with SMTP id i13mr5626387ebn.95.1259655886568; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm3018445ewy.1.2009.12.01.00.24.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:24:44 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4B149125.3040601@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:24:41 +0000 Message-Id: References: <0FB796AF-2779-493C-949E-6237C9028399@ctgonline.org> <4B149125.3040601@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] P&S - narrowed the list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 09:24:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14d2d5303041413256596 And Nathan and I use the LX3. I am very happy with mine: in particular the wide (24mm), the variable format (3:2, 4:3 or 16:9), and the results are very good. And it is small enough to fit easily into a jacket pocket: a delightful little device all round My only whinge is that Mac users (iPhoto or Aperture) can't use RAW direct. But you get SilkyPix with the LX3 to interpret the RAW files and ACR works anyway for Photoshop and LightRoom. In addition, Picasa and LightZone on the Mac do a great job with the RAW files. I am tempted to get the G11 as well, but it would be a large expenditure (in the UK) and I would have to sell my E-420, with which I am very happy. Chris On 1 Dec 2009, at 03:44, Moose wrote: > If you are really looking for a replacement for a Stylus and the IQ of > film, your budget is more flexible, and a really long zoom range isn't > necessary, you might also consider moving to a camera with a bigger > sensor. That tends to be where the rubber meets the road in IQ. Two very > different cameras with the next size up sensors are the Panny LX3 and > Canon G11. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 10:13:24 2009 Received: (qmail 13853 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 09:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 09:13:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB65E18236 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:13:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D9DE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:13:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82AD19DBA6 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:13:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E5819DB3D for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:13:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:13:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30509 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 09:13:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.170.69) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 09:13:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4B14DE25.6090403@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:13:09 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B0FAC79.2030200@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Hmmm, very interesting... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 10:13:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14de34205967801554290 Ken Norton wrote: >> < >> http://www.ephotozine.com/article/31-year-old-images-of-Bob-Dylan-developed-12615 >> > > > Blown highlights and noisy shadows. Also, look at the DoF--it must have been taken with a smaller format because selective focus is a bit thick--the two mike stands are kinda distracting. > > It would have been a much better picture had the photographer taken it with the Canon 5DMk2, Nikon D3 or D700. > > Maybe Moose can fix it. > Hey, Ornery, I never thought of it. Since you ask, why not? An Unexpected Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 10:27:24 2009 Received: (qmail 24480 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 09:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 09:27:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88831E18255 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25301E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:27:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D8719DC1F for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:27:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2624E19DC08 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:27:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f194.google.com (mail-yw0-f194.google.com [209.85.211.194]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh32 with SMTP id 32so4061635ywh.14 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:27:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.45.37 with SMTP id s37mr9281141ybs.281.1259659636422; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:27:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B14DE25.6090403@gmail.com> References: <4B0FAC79.2030200@blueyonder.co.uk> <4B14DE25.6090403@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:27:16 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0912010127q42572322xa6389cfbbe945d63@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Hmmm, very interesting... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 10:27:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14e17b193841744846740 Someone takes that mouse from Moose :-) Nice job, although dare I say it: the original looks like film; the modified version, looks like digital ;-P On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Moose wrote: > > Hey, Ornery, I never thought of it. Since you ask, why not? > > > An Unexpected Moose -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 10:34:27 2009 Received: (qmail 20456 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 09:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 09:34:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF37E1824C for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E372E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0038819DC49 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:34:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A97019DC40 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:34:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22142 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 09:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.163.201) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 09:34:20 -0000 Message-ID: <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:34:15 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <062B975A-CEA2-4282-94F7-98395EC6C704@frozenlight.eu> <4B0CFAE6.70908@chucknorcutt.com> <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 46: Algar and Pedreguer X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 10:34:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14e323176141220213263 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Thanks for looking, Chuck! By popular demand, I have posted a B&W version of alt7: > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#723704123_X64jy-O-LB > > And I think it is indeed better than in color. > Works very well in B&W. I prefer it opened up a bit. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 10:39:23 2009 Received: (qmail 5063 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 09:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 09:39:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C94E181BF for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37672E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:39:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183CE34AC027 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:39:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758BB34AC007 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:39:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:39:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26595 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 09:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.163.201) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 09:39:17 -0000 Message-ID: <4B14E43F.8030709@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:39:11 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B0FAC79.2030200@blueyonder.co.uk> <4B14DE25.6090403@gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912010127q42572322xa6389cfbbe945d63@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0912010127q42572322xa6389cfbbe945d63@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Hmmm, very interesting... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 10:39:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14e44b108431073733319 Richard Man wrote: > Someone takes that mouse from Moose :-) > > Nice job, although dare I say it: the original looks like film; the modified version, looks like digital ;-P > Hmmm, I didn't tone down the grain on Bob much at all. The original grain is much in evidence on his face and chest. I did bring a little more tonal detail on the guitar. but what I like most has nothing to do with digi vs. film, as far as I know. I brought out the lighting/halo effect from the close, obvious spot lighting him from behind. Anyway, blame it all on Ornery AG. I wasn't going to do anything until he asked. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 10:56:14 2009 Received: (qmail 942 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 09:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 09:56:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32D9E182A2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:56:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439D4E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:56:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3724D34AC026 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:56:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE12734AC005 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:56:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9276 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 09:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.162.70) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 09:56:09 -0000 Message-ID: <4B14E833.3030604@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:56:03 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com><1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 10:56:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14e83e93991946193717 C.H.Ling wrote: > NeatImage was the first thing I tried, it improves but I was not totally happy about the result, it left a trace of pattern when you look for it. > I agree, although in my test, it's very subtle. Is anyone not peering at 100%, looking for it, going to notice? > Stronger NR may eliminate the pattern but I hate the lost of details and artificial look. I once do NI on almost all digital images but I found it look too smooth to my taste so later when I really need NI I leave some noise. > As I tried to show on the ISO 12,600 sample image, you really can't leave some of the existing pattern noise, as that makes the pattern noticeable. To avoid the plastic look, it's better to add noise without a pattern. There I used the Noise filter in PS, but somewhere around here, I have scans of blank film shots that may be used to add film looking grain. Added grain helps mask the tracks of the pattern noise, too. > Mask? what is mask, A mask layer that restricts the NR effect to only parts of the image. Pretty quick to do in PS and doesn't make the lighter parts look unnatural at all, as they are completely unaffected. > why I need that much work when other cheaper DSLRs don't require it. > You don't, unless there are other reasons to keep the 5D II. I was only trying to suggest alternatives for correcting at least the images you already have - perhaps even to make keeping the camera an option if you otherwise like it. You've gone through several DSLRs in the last few years, looking for perfection. Maybe it doesn't exist and you may need to pick the one with the least objectionable limitations? On the other hand, if you keep up the search, perhaps your findings will help us all. :-) You are certainly a tougher critic than any reviewers I know of. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 11:07:47 2009 Received: (qmail 227 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 10:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 10:07:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BD7E181BF for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D425AE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C4A19DD0A for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:07:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E0E19DD06 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:07:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NFPe0-0005TC-Dv for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:07:40 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1NFPdi-0002zq-CS for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:07:22 +0000 Message-ID: <4B14EAD5.4010107@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:07:17 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B0FAC79.2030200@blueyonder.co.uk> <268D1BF6-ABFC-4175-B921-E13510D59559@solms.co.za> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Hmmm, very interesting... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 11:07:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14eaf3317195034211378 Chris Barker wrote: > Nice; I didn't notice the dodging ... > > Chris Oddly, neither did I! Nice. D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 11:11:05 2009 Received: (qmail 16256 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 10:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 10:11:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36466E18279 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE940E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8737319DD31 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:10:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D1819DD06 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:10:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mialop.wong@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pw0-f51.google.com (mail-pw0-f51.google.com [209.85.160.51]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:10:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by pwj10 with SMTP id 10so2470895pwj.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:10:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.24.10 with SMTP id b10mr10312106waj.127.1259662256084; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:10:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <6f8422750911300937u27b2dc68taf34465a469d50ba@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300946k77feb09cy393f1cb79ae2e234@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:10:56 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1875f1b9af5e4376 Message-ID: <60f983080912010210t432c5a1bk7f1ee1e1b77e5524@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 11:11:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14ebb9123555683411216 Chris, Mr. Ed Hamrick will help me for Nikon Scan? By the way, Vuescan works properly in Snow Leopard. --- Michael 2009/12/1 Chris Barker > I'm sure that Ed Hamrick will help you with that, Michael. Send him an > email and ask him. > > Chris > > On 30 Nov 2009, at 17:46, Michael Wong wrote: > > > I'm lucky I may still scan my films with Vuescan but without batch > feature > > (seems batch feature is not working in my Mac) ......... Actually, I scan > my > > B&W films with Nikon Scan with batch scan function only. For color > negative, > > slide films will apply Vuescan for base film color locking & IT8 ICC > profile > > applied. > > > > But still feel uncomfortable for incompatible Nikon Scan in Mac OS 10.6 > :-( > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 11:58:00 2009 Received: (qmail 22753 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 10:57:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 10:57:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB48BE18198 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:57:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53007E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED13E34AC007 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:57:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F8734AC005 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:57:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:57:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so4037380ewy.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.24.3 with SMTP id t3mr5911594ebb.40.1259665072770; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm3080064ewy.12.2009.12.01.02.57.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:57:52 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <60f983080912010210t432c5a1bk7f1ee1e1b77e5524@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:57:50 +0000 Message-Id: References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <6f8422750911300937u27b2dc68taf34465a469d50ba@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300946k77feb09cy393f1cb79ae2e234@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080912010210t432c5a1bk7f1ee1e1b77e5524@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 11:58:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14f6b863461879814018 Sorry, no. I meant that Ed will help with your batch scanning, if at all possible. Chris On 1 Dec 2009, at 10:10, Michael Wong wrote: > Chris, > Mr. Ed Hamrick will help me for Nikon Scan? > > By the way, Vuescan works properly in Snow Leopard. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 12:01:28 2009 Received: (qmail 4786 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 11:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 11:01:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A74BE1824E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:01:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8936E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9FD119DECC for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:01:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E55C19DEC8 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:01:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so3341693bwz.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:01:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.29.15 with SMTP id o15mr5681232bkc.145.1259665281684; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:01:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B14BD9C.7060606@ctgonline.org> References: <0FB796AF-2779-493C-949E-6237C9028399@ctgonline.org> <4B149125.3040601@gmail.com> <4B14BD9C.7060606@ctgonline.org> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:01:21 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6d02a3ea835d0214 Message-ID: <9f07ac840912010301v38eb668ay14600b2970218623@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] P&S - narrowed the list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 12:01:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14f788176484877110844 Can you wait?!! 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On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Paul Braun wrote: > > After all of the suggestions and reviews and comparisions, I'm thinking > I'll be ordering the F70EXR next payday. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 12:27:24 2009 Received: (qmail 23825 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 11:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 11:27:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5AB6E1824D for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB937E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:27:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A5634AC025 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:27:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4898B34AC005 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:27:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mialop.wong@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pz0-f197.google.com (mail-pz0-f197.google.com [209.85.222.197]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:27:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by pzk35 with SMTP id 35so3589516pzk.22 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:27:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.187.30 with SMTP id k30mr10660076waf.10.1259666837578; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:27:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <6f8422750911300937u27b2dc68taf34465a469d50ba@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300946k77feb09cy393f1cb79ae2e234@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080912010210t432c5a1bk7f1ee1e1b77e5524@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:27:17 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e9adaf28b8955db2 Message-ID: <60f983080912010327l451f36d2t1b2b4750b3c23dd8@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 12:27:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14fd9c234791946193717 I see. Thanks, Chris :-) --- Michael 2009/12/1 Chris Barker > Sorry, no. I meant that Ed will help with your batch scanning, if at all > possible. > > Chris > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 10:10, Michael Wong wrote: > > > Chris, > > Mr. Ed Hamrick will help me for Nikon Scan? > > > > By the way, Vuescan works properly in Snow Leopard. > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 12:33:30 2009 Received: (qmail 8950 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 11:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 11:33:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B3EE181CB for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E713E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:33:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E960919DF7F for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:33:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABCD19DF79 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:33:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1989 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 11:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.168.155) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 11:33:20 -0000 Message-ID: <4B14FEF9.3050102@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:33:13 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 12:33:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14ff09298915683411216 Michael Wong wrote: > Have found some information from internet, says Nikon Scan is incompatible > with Mac OS 10.6 Snow Leopard. > http://zh-hk.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=153797833764 > > Nikon seems forget many users for her Scanner ....... > http://help.nikon.ca/app/answers/detail/a_id/15900/~/will-nikon-software-be-compatible-with-mac-os-10.6-%28snow-leopard%29%3F > > Oh! My God! Do I return back to Mac OS 10.5.8? > I know little about Macs and their OS. Is it possible, as it is on a PC, to have multiple boot OSs? Boot with 10.5.8 for NikonScan and the latest version for everything else? Or get an old, cheap, used Mac with old OS just to run the scanner? Both awkward, I know. As others have said, Ed Hamrick will probably promptly address any problem with running batch scans using VueScan. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 12:35:06 2009 Received: (qmail 28269 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 11:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 11:35:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016B3E181CF for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:35:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA2DE24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:35:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB4419DFAA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:35:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BD319DFA8 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:35:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3770 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 11:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.168.155) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 11:35:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4B14FF5E.5000202@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:34:54 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <4B14017F.1040702@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 12:35:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b14ff6a131921006886880 Ken Norton wrote: >> WE HOPE YOU WILL CONTINUE TO CHOOSE NIKON FOR YOUR PHOTOGRAPHY NEEDS. > Sure, whatever. May God bless Mr. Hamrick. > I second that! If it weren't for him, I'd probably have an older computer with old OS sitting around, just to run my film scanner. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 12:49:48 2009 Received: (qmail 22386 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 11:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 11:49:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05144E18236 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF327E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12AB34AC026 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:49:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCC534AC007 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:49:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mialop.wong@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pz0-f197.google.com (mail-pz0-f197.google.com [209.85.222.197]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by pzk35 with SMTP id 35so3601961pzk.22 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:49:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.87.7 with SMTP id p7mr10654208wal.161.1259668182495; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:49:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B14FEF9.3050102@gmail.com> References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <4B14FEF9.3050102@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:49:42 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 972d7198fd4187f6 Message-ID: <60f983080912010349m64ee1d5crf538f635a092cd2c@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 12:49:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1502dc292201136683642 Moose, Thanks for your suggestion. I'm not sure Mac OS can be multi Mac OSs in same machine as Linux, never heard that. But even it works, I won't install an extra OS for the software to run the scanner as Vuescan can do so. Sure, I'll try to ask Mr. Hamrick to solve the problem of batch scan. --- Michael 2009/12/1 Moose > Michael Wong wrote: > > Have found some information from internet, says Nikon Scan is > incompatible > > with Mac OS 10.6 Snow Leopard. > > http://zh-hk.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=153797833764 > > > > Nikon seems forget many users for her Scanner ....... > > > http://help.nikon.ca/app/answers/detail/a_id/15900/~/will-nikon-software-be-compatible-with-mac-os-10.6-%28snow-leopard%29%3F > > > > Oh! My God! Do I return back to Mac OS 10.5.8? > > > > I know little about Macs and their OS. Is it possible, as it is on a PC, > to have multiple boot OSs? Boot with 10.5.8 for NikonScan and the latest > version for everything else? Or get an old, cheap, used Mac with old OS > just to run the scanner? > > Both awkward, I know. As others have said, Ed Hamrick will probably > promptly address any problem with running batch scans using VueScan. > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 12:51:09 2009 Received: (qmail 19075 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 11:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 11:51:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F279AE181BA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:51:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B34E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:49:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E3734AC026 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:49:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC6B34AC007 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:49:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:19337 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NFREf-0005gm-De for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:49:39 -0600 Message-ID: <4B1502C8.7070707@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:49:28 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <4B14FEF9.3050102@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4B14FEF9.3050102@gmail.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 12:51:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15032d113124877110844 If it's an intel based mac then another option is to install parallels, vmware or virtualbox and then run an old version of windows inside that, I personaly use parallels for windows7 and xp environments and virtualbox for solaris , because I find they work best for me, parallels is better with windows and virtualbox for solaris - we use vmware on PC's here but on my mac I think parallels is best, Virtualbox however is free! There is no need then to reboot into windows IanW > I know little about Macs and their OS. Is it possible, as it is on a PC, > to have multiple boot OSs? Boot with 10.5.8 for NikonScan and the latest > version for everything else? Or get an old, cheap, used Mac with old OS > just to run the scanner? > > Both awkward, I know. As others have said, Ed Hamrick will probably > promptly address any problem with running batch scans using VueScan. > > Moose > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 12:52:22 2009 Received: (qmail 59 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 11:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 11:52:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DEA3E181D8 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCFAE24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C5B3610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:51:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72D034AC025 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:51:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nB1BpKW0004894 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:51:21 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB1BpKvQ011877 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:51:20 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <089E4D73DC7849E5814581D922670751@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com><1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B14E833.3030604@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:51:11 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 12:52:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1503762576789618724 Thanks Moose and all who concern about this, I know you are trying to help I was just very disappointed about the performance of 5D II. The problem happen on all ISO while the low ISO are more obvious due to lack of sensor noise. This problem shouldn't happen on an experience camera maufacturer. Mask and random grain can help but this require extra work than a simple NR and in some ways distorted the original image. Yes, I have been searching for a good camera, while I thought the 5D II is close (besides mirror vibration and viewfinder where they are even poorer than my 30 years old OM) now it gives me some problem that I have never think of. Actually, my criteria is not really tough, I was just bad luck. I think you will also not accept a camera with tilt viewfinder, AF focus shift or such noise issue. I hope I can found a solution on that, at the mean time I can only shoot with great care to avoid underexposure. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > C.H.Ling wrote: >> NeatImage was the first thing I tried, it improves but I was not totally >> happy about the result, it left a trace of pattern when you look for it. >> > > I agree, although in my test, it's very subtle. Is anyone not peering at > 100%, looking for it, going to notice? > >> Stronger NR may eliminate the pattern but I hate the lost of details and >> artificial look. I once do NI on almost all digital images but I found it >> look too smooth to my taste so later when I really need NI I leave some >> noise. >> > > As I tried to show on the ISO 12,600 sample image, you really can't > leave some of the existing pattern noise, as that makes the pattern > noticeable. To avoid the plastic look, it's better to add noise without > a pattern. There I used the Noise filter in PS, but somewhere around > here, I have scans of blank film shots that may be used to add film > looking grain. Added grain helps mask the tracks of the pattern noise, > too. > >> Mask? what is mask, > > A mask layer that restricts the NR effect to only parts of the image. > Pretty quick to do in PS and doesn't make the lighter parts look > unnatural at all, as they are completely unaffected. > >> why I need that much work when other cheaper DSLRs don't require it. >> > > You don't, unless there are other reasons to keep the 5D II. I was only > trying to suggest alternatives for correcting at least the images you > already have - perhaps even to make keeping the camera an option if you > otherwise like it. > > You've gone through several DSLRs in the last few years, looking for > perfection. Maybe it doesn't exist and you may need to pick the one with > the least objectionable limitations? > > On the other hand, if you keep up the search, perhaps your findings will > help us all. :-) You are certainly a tougher critic than any > reviewers I know of. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 12:54:07 2009 Received: (qmail 22214 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 11:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 11:54:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CA6E181DE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408B5E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:54:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3A934AC027 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:54:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C76134AC007 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:54:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mialop.wong@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pz0-f197.google.com (mail-pz0-f197.google.com [209.85.222.197]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by pzk35 with SMTP id 35so3604287pzk.22 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:54:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.187.30 with SMTP id k30mr10719723waf.10.1259668440770; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:54:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B14FF5E.5000202@gmail.com> References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <4B14017F.1040702@chucknorcutt.com> <4B14FF5E.5000202@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:54:00 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f319519d3ad71037 Message-ID: <60f983080912010354k10549bc4r7eca490d0a60fa6d@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 12:54:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1503df310795034211378 I wonder Nikon's marketing method as CoolScan 9000ED is still selling in the market, but no update software version to make compatible with newest OS? Ask 9000ED user to hold old computer with old OS? Incredible! --- Michael 2009/12/1 Moose > Ken Norton wrote: > >> WE HOPE YOU WILL CONTINUE TO CHOOSE NIKON FOR YOUR PHOTOGRAPHY NEEDS. > > Sure, whatever. May God bless Mr. Hamrick. > > > > I second that! If it weren't for him, I'd probably have an older > computer with old OS sitting around, just to run my film scanner. > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 13:06:21 2009 Received: (qmail 25978 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 12:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 12:06:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BBEE18245 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA694E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA2334AC007 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:06:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71C734AC005 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:06:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:06:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.36]) by mta04.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KTZ00C9X2Y89IB0@mta04.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:06:08 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlVKAASVFEsY4MhnQmdsb2JhbAAPgTmIbpEuAQEBGwaXCaRcCoQoBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,320,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="491808605" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:09:52 -0400 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:06:06 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6141 Subject: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 13:06:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1506bd242031612113968 See this photo http://www.novascotiaphotos.com/frmpage/00269.html Taken across water the camera is ~ 1.5 to / 2 kilometers from the buildings in the distance. The camera is digital, likely a DSLR.I have no information concerning the focal length of the lens or the brand of the camera. I have seen a framed print of this image. The exposed part of the print measures 40" x 25". When viewed at 12" the level of detail in the entire photo is simply amazing. >From the photographer's web site, the gross measurements of the print appear to be 48" x 22". Every single window frame, whether a whole window or part of a window, is clearly visible and discernable in the two storey sun lit building to the left of the light house. Each segment of the light dome of the lighthouse is clearly visible and discernable likewise. Can anyone with experience of making big digital prints give an opinion as to the possible megapixel size of the in-camera image from which this image could have been taken. Would the Olympus E3 be capable of producing this level of detail. Just curious. John Hudson __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 13:39:41 2009 Received: (qmail 16826 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 12:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 12:39:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B00E18197 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5107FE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:39:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343F919E14B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:39:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D080D19E142 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:39:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:39:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091201123935644.OMQS1964@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:39:35 +0000 Message-Id: <01A54B40-166C-49CA-A95D-5842B392B967@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:39:35 -0500 References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 13:39:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b150e8d61633900897491 In a workshop discussion last night, one of the members reported that there's a serious compatibility problem between Snow Leopard and Epson printers. I suppose Mac's having a little nightmare of there own is grist for the mill, but then it happens _so_ infrequently. Advice: Leave Snow Leopard alone for a while. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Ugh. I guess that's the price one must pay for using a fringe > product like > the Mac. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 13:41:13 2009 Received: (qmail 10578 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 12:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 12:41:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDFAE18247 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F75E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2311219E14B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:40:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6392019E13F for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:40:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:40:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so4136645ewy.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.48.211 with SMTP id s19mr3117969ebf.52.1259671227760; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:40:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.6? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm36463ewy.13.2009.12.01.04.40.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:40:27 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <60f983080912010349m64ee1d5crf538f635a092cd2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:40:25 +0000 Message-Id: References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <4B14FEF9.3050102@gmail.com> <60f983080912010349m64ee1d5crf538f635a092cd2c@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 13:41:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b150ee9282061220213263 It can, Michael. I'm not sure if you can have Leopard and Snow Leopard installed as separate boot files, but you can have any OS running in a virtual machine in addition to MacOS: Parallels, Fusion or VMWare are the applications to run your VMs. So you could run Winders to run Nikon Scan if you wished. But you would have to find a copy of Winders, probably XP or 2k, to do so. Chris On 1 Dec 2009, at 11:49, Michael Wong wrote: > Moose, > Thanks for your suggestion. > > I'm not sure Mac OS can be multi Mac OSs in same machine as Linux, never > heard that. But even it works, I won't install an extra OS for the software > to run the scanner as Vuescan can do so. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 13:41:18 2009 Received: (qmail 25367 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 12:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 12:41:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E91BE181D6 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C35E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:40:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B46D19E155 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:40:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F6B19E150 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:40:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:40:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1168 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 12:40:52 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 12:40:52 -0000 Message-ID: <4B150ED3.1020306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:40:51 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> <02443249A63A410F85D81738A3C8479D@jimnichols> <4B1448E9.7020705@chucknorcutt.com> <872979ED46DC4C479F73C2D79A22CCEF@SueHome> <4B1496FF.6090404@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1496FF.6090404@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091130-1, 11/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] question for Dr. Battery X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 13:41:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b150eee308993900897491 I'll second Moose's opinion on the batteries and would also recommend a charger that handles each cell individually. I have a couple of Maha chargers that charge 4 cells in pairs. That's better than charging all four at once but, as some of my older NiMH batteries aged and started to fail, I would discover that a pair would be extremely slow to charge or never reach full charge at all. Trying to discover the bad cell means mixing different pairs until you narrow down on the culprit. On the other hand, given the high price of single cell chargers and the low price of NiMH batteries it might possibly make more sense to replace all the batteries of a given purchase group when one gives an indication of being weak. When I buy rechargeable batteries I mark them in groups with a ring of colored tape to identify them as part of a group based on when they were purchased. When I use the batteries I use all of the same group. If I had a group of 8 that were two years old and one was giving signs of weakness I'd have no qualms about trashing all 8 since the other 7 are probably not far behind. As to low discharge NiMH I also highly recommend Sanyo Eneloop. I've been using 8 of them for a couple years. All 8 still charge up equally and still provide plenty of power in a flash the only gets used maybe once every 3 to 4 months or even longer. For heavy duty shooting I'd more likely buy the highest capacity NiMH I could find (are they at 2700 mah now?) and charge them just before the event. That is, if I was shooting a wedding with NiMH batteries. Personally, I would more likely use my high voltage lead acid battery packs for shooting a wedding. NiMH have plenty of capacity but can't recycle a flash from a full dump in 1.5 seconds. This is like a Quantum Turbo battery at 1/3 the price. I recently added a set of 4 Duracell low discharge NiMH to my Eneloops. I wanted another set of Eneloops but there is no place where I can buy them locally and I needed them in a couple of days. A search of the web told me that Duracell low discharge NiMH were actually rebranded Eneloops... at least the ones made in Japan. I located some Duracell 2000 mah (same as Eneloop) at Home Depot but they're made in China, not Japan. So I don't know what I've got although they're working fine so far. But I've only had them for a few months. I'll give another report in a couple of years. :-) Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Sue Pearce wrote: >> What's the latest on rechargable AA batteries for shoe mount strobes? I went to the Thomas Dist. site and found a Maha charger and "low discharge" NiMH batteries that I think I remember from a previous discussion. >> >> But that was at least a year ago. What's the latest? >> > > I've been very happy with the eneloops I bought and a combo of the > charger that came with some of them and a Lacrosse Technology BC-700U > charger. The Sanyo charger works fine, but with pairs only, and I use > them in some devices that use one or three cells. The Lacrosse charger > has full charge info and control individually for each of up to four cells. > > Other makers, both name and generic brands, have come out with similar > sounding batteries. Whether they are as good as the eneloops, I don't > know. Better, I'd bet not. I haven't kept up, 'cause I'm not in the market. > > I very seldom use flash, so I know little about how they fare in that > use. The one time I used a set in the 540EZ for an event, they breezed > through. They are certainly great for everything I've tried them in. I > think that the use where they wouldn't be best is really heavy flash use > where batteries can be fully charged the night before and maximum > flashes per charge is needed. > > There, one would go with the highest capacity normal NiMh batteries > available. I read, although I'm not sure where in my initial research, > thta the highest capacity cells also have a fairly fast drop off in > usable capacity with heavy use. Still, out of the budget for a major pro > shoot, one could simply replace them regularly. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 13:43:33 2009 Received: (qmail 28109 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 12:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 12:43:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8789BE1829F for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10C6E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C112119E163 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:42:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B8019E168 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:42:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so4139002ewy.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.110.9 with SMTP id l9mr1030201ebp.14.1259671368955; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.6? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm38120ewy.11.2009.12.01.04.42.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:42:48 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <01A54B40-166C-49CA-A95D-5842B392B967@roadrunner.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:42:46 +0000 Message-Id: References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <01A54B40-166C-49CA-A95D-5842B392B967@roadrunner.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 13:43:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b150f75268051560218263 Bob I'm running a DX4400 and 1290 on SL with no snags. Admittedly it's using the Mac generic driver, GutenPrint (GIMP?), but the results are excellent and the system virtually transparent. In short, the generic MacOS drivers are doing a better job than the Epson software ever did. Chris On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:39, Bob Whitmire wrote: > In a workshop discussion last night, one of the members reported that > there's a serious compatibility problem between Snow Leopard and Epson > printers. I suppose Mac's having a little nightmare of there own is > grist for the mill, but then it happens _so_ infrequently. > > Advice: Leave Snow Leopard alone for a while. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 13:48:12 2009 Received: (qmail 19990 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 12:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 12:48:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F89E182A0 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF207E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:48:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B4534AC007 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:48:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF69434AC025 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:48:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:48:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4644 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 12:48:06 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091130-1, 11/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 13:48:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15108c221051342116753 That's interesting. In reading the complaints about banding it was said that the noise removers (like NI) were fine for removing random noise but were totally ineffective for pattern noise. It seems that NI must have some special magic. :-) Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > C.H.Ling wrote: >> When you shot RAW and push the exposure to near 1 stop you will see it. Here is an example: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7622.CR2 (8MB) >> > > I can understand your frustration. > > I appreciate all the effort you have gone to to give me more reasons to > put off any rash purchase to replace my 5D. ;-) > > Still, it doesn't seem insurmountable. NeatImage does quite a nice job > of eliminating the banding noise. > > > I think that without the roll-over to compare, no one would notice the > very subtle pattern left in the darkest areas at step one. A second > application really cleans it up, if necessary. > > With this image, there isn't a noticeable effect, at least to me, on > detail in the lighter areas. Where there is an effect, the NI layer may > simply be masked to only affect the dark areas. > > I think the noise gives a sense of detail in the darkest smoke, but I > think it's false. Upon close inspection, it seems to me that the first > step loses no actual subject detail at all, and the second step maybe a > tiny bit. > > A. Neat(Image) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 13:53:40 2009 Received: (qmail 28358 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 12:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 12:53:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F035E1829F for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9A5E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:53:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA8034AC007 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:53:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA18034AC005 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:53:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com (mail-gx0-f221.google.com [209.85.217.221]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so3141719gxk.10 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:53:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.130.13 with SMTP id c13mr9659707ybd.286.1259672002188; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:53:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:53:22 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0912010453o75f88aect9b563ca31e1e50@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 13:53:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1511d4310025368819438 My first thought is that a stitched panoramic. So if you use 5-10 images altogether, the megapixels add up quickly. However, since it depicts OCEAN WAVES, that sort of blows that idea away. I suppose it can be a scanned 6x17 slides. You are talking about 6cm x 17 cm here, or close to 2"x5", so lots of details to be have. There are insanely expensively digital 6x17 camera too... On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:06 AM, John Hudson wrote: > See this photo > > http://www.novascotiaphotos.com/frmpage/00269.html > > Taken across water the camera is ~ 1.5 to / 2 kilometers from the buildings > in the distance. > > The camera is digital, likely a DSLR.I have no information concerning the > focal length of the lens or the brand of the camera. > > I have seen a framed print of this image. The exposed part of the print > measures 40" x 25". When viewed at 12" the level of detail in the entire > photo is simply amazing. > > >From the photographer's web site, the gross measurements of the print appear > to be 48" x 22". > > Every single window frame, whether a whole window or part of a window, is > clearly visible and discernable in the two storey sun lit building to the > left of the light house. Each segment of the light dome of the lighthouse is > clearly visible and discernable likewise. > > Can anyone with experience of making big digital prints give an opinion as > to the possible megapixel size of the in-camera image from which this image > could have been taken. Would the Olympus E3 be capable of producing this > level of detail. > > Just curious. > > John Hudson > -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 13:56:51 2009 Received: (qmail 16032 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 12:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 12:56:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0339DE1819A for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391FBE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BFB19E1B1 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:56:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8E419E1BE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:56:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:56:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8523 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 12:56:44 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091130-1, 11/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 13:56:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b151293219044877110844 I'll second that last remark. I wouldn't have noticed the banding at all if it wasn't pointed out to me. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > C.H.Ling wrote: >> NeatImage was the first thing I tried, it improves but I was not totally happy about the result, it left a trace of pattern when you look for it. >> > > You've gone through several DSLRs in the last few years, looking for > perfection. Maybe it doesn't exist and you may need to pick the one with > the least objectionable limitations? > > On the other hand, if you keep up the search, perhaps your findings will > help us all. :-) You are certainly a tougher critic than any > reviewers I know of. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 14:06:29 2009 Received: (qmail 30018 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 13:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 13:06:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D770E181DE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD41BE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AEF34AC026 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:06:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C7D34AC007 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:06:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.216.193]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KTZ00M3E5QGLGE2@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:06:16 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1514C8.80301@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:06:16 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1638830951.9868291259592319006.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-reply-to: <1638830951.9868291259592319006.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [OM] T45 bracket X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 14:06:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1514d5159631073733319 Thank you mister. Grabbed it yesterday. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Don Holbrook wrote: > 350273954349.....................I remember somebody was looking for one. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 14:07:54 2009 Received: (qmail 5354 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 13:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 13:07:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58A7E1829D for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:07:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED0DE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F08719E216 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:07:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C530D19E212 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:07:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mialop.wong@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pz0-f197.google.com (mail-pz0-f197.google.com [209.85.222.197]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by pzk35 with SMTP id 35so3647447pzk.22 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:07:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.248.20 with SMTP id v20mr10852946wah.132.1259672865000; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:07:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <4B14FEF9.3050102@gmail.com> <60f983080912010349m64ee1d5crf538f635a092cd2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:07:44 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 490112aadc64427b Message-ID: <60f983080912010507w512f2503s2f62146e26714636@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 14:07:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15152a197953900897491 Chris, You recall my memory as Mac OS can boot up another Mac OS with external HDD. Similar situation as multi boot of Linux, but different HDD is required. Sure! Your method is workable as I installed a virtual Windows XP by Parallels Desktop. But my Mac book is old version with limited 2GB RAM only, if run Windows for scanning, I'm afraid of low speed performance. Anyway, I have to go for Vuescan until Nikon releases new version of Nikon Scan for Mac OS 10.6 if possible. --- Michael 2009/12/1 Chris Barker > It can, Michael. I'm not sure if you can have Leopard and Snow Leopard > installed as separate boot files, but you can have any OS running in a > virtual machine in addition to MacOS: Parallels, Fusion or VMWare are the > applications to run your VMs. So you could run Winders to run Nikon Scan if > you wished. But you would have to find a copy of Winders, probably XP or > 2k, to do so. > > Chris > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 11:49, Michael Wong wrote: > > > Moose, > > Thanks for your suggestion. > > > > I'm not sure Mac OS can be multi Mac OSs in same machine as Linux, never > > heard that. But even it works, I won't install an extra OS for the > software > > to run the scanner as Vuescan can do so. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 14:25:58 2009 Received: (qmail 5816 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 13:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 13:25:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B9BE18039 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:25:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E072E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E8119E260 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:25:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5870819E256 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:25:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-109.ctimail.com [61.93.57.109]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:25:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id nB1DPoEN018120 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:25:50 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB1DPonC001293 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:25:50 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN><4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:25:43 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 14:25:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b151966266931258626592 NI can remove pattern noise as long as the pattern is not of a big size, it is rather ok but not perfect in removing the pattern noise in 5D II. Banding is another issue I think NI is not capable to do. Just found another phenomenon, when I shot a dark frame at the same ISO and shutter speed (ISO125, 1/8s) of the problem image. The dark frame came out totally dark even I push it two stops so I can't use the dark frame subtraction method to cancel the pattern. The pattern noise only appear on the area that is not totally dark so it doesn't like a hardware (circuit noise) problem, may be a firmware update can really solve it? C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > That's interesting. In reading the complaints about banding it was said > that the noise removers (like NI) were fine for removing random noise > but were totally ineffective for pattern noise. It seems that NI must > have some special magic. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Moose wrote: >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> When you shot RAW and push the exposure to near 1 stop you will see it. >>> Here is an example: >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7622.CR2 (8MB) >>> >> >> I can understand your frustration. >> >> I appreciate all the effort you have gone to to give me more reasons to >> put off any rash purchase to replace my 5D. ;-) >> >> Still, it doesn't seem insurmountable. NeatImage does quite a nice job >> of eliminating the banding noise. >> >> >> I think that without the roll-over to compare, no one would notice the >> very subtle pattern left in the darkest areas at step one. A second >> application really cleans it up, if necessary. >> >> With this image, there isn't a noticeable effect, at least to me, on >> detail in the lighter areas. Where there is an effect, the NI layer may >> simply be masked to only affect the dark areas. >> >> I think the noise gives a sense of detail in the darkest smoke, but I >> think it's false. Upon close inspection, it seems to me that the first >> step loses no actual subject detail at all, and the second step maybe a >> tiny bit. >> >> A. Neat(Image) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 14:36:46 2009 Received: (qmail 15443 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 13:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 13:36:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A414EE182B3 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A938E24AF1 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C02234AC055 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:35:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D92E34AC060 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:35:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:35:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.216.193]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KTZ00M2173PHEU6@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:35:49 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B151BB8.7010804@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:35:52 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> In-reply-to: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 14:36:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b151bee258789730998309 What a beautiful little girl! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chris Barker wrote: > And here are a few shots of our granddaughter, 5 months old and playing on our bed in the morning, the weekend before last: > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100093 > > E-420 and 25/2.8 at ISO 800, catalogued and output with Aperture. > > Chris > > On 30 Nov 2009, at 17:54, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> I find that Thanksgiving gatherings are for grownups. Children often get bored. This was just another opportunity to grab a shot of one of my great-granddaughters. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Let+Me+Down.jpg.html > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 14:50:08 2009 Received: (qmail 17716 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 13:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 13:50:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE7CE181A3 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3765E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F8619E3A9 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:49:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219FA19E373 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:49:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8842 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 13:49:56 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091201-0, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 14:50:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b151f1093441413256596 Will you try Nikon and Sony next? How will you use those OM Zuikos? Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Thanks Moose and all who concern about this, I know you are trying to help I > was just very disappointed about the performance of 5D II. The problem > happen on all ISO while the low ISO are more obvious due to lack of sensor > noise. This problem shouldn't happen on an experience camera maufacturer. > > Mask and random grain can help but this require extra work than a simple NR > and in some ways distorted the original image. > > Yes, I have been searching for a good camera, while I thought the 5D II is > close (besides mirror vibration and viewfinder where they are even poorer > than my 30 years old OM) now it gives me some problem that I have never > think of. Actually, my criteria is not really tough, I was just bad luck. I > think you will also not accept a camera with tilt viewfinder, AF focus shift > or such noise issue. > > I hope I can found a solution on that, at the mean time I can only shoot > with great care to avoid underexposure. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moose" > >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> NeatImage was the first thing I tried, it improves but I was not totally >>> happy about the result, it left a trace of pattern when you look for it. >>> >> I agree, although in my test, it's very subtle. Is anyone not peering at >> 100%, looking for it, going to notice? >> >>> Stronger NR may eliminate the pattern but I hate the lost of details and >>> artificial look. I once do NI on almost all digital images but I found it >>> look too smooth to my taste so later when I really need NI I leave some >>> noise. >>> >> As I tried to show on the ISO 12,600 sample image, you really can't >> leave some of the existing pattern noise, as that makes the pattern >> noticeable. To avoid the plastic look, it's better to add noise without >> a pattern. There I used the Noise filter in PS, but somewhere around >> here, I have scans of blank film shots that may be used to add film >> looking grain. Added grain helps mask the tracks of the pattern noise, >> too. >> >>> Mask? what is mask, >> A mask layer that restricts the NR effect to only parts of the image. >> Pretty quick to do in PS and doesn't make the lighter parts look >> unnatural at all, as they are completely unaffected. >> >>> why I need that much work when other cheaper DSLRs don't require it. >>> >> You don't, unless there are other reasons to keep the 5D II. I was only >> trying to suggest alternatives for correcting at least the images you >> already have - perhaps even to make keeping the camera an option if you >> otherwise like it. >> >> You've gone through several DSLRs in the last few years, looking for >> perfection. Maybe it doesn't exist and you may need to pick the one with >> the least objectionable limitations? >> >> On the other hand, if you keep up the search, perhaps your findings will >> help us all. :-) You are certainly a tougher critic than any >> reviewers I know of. >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 15:15:18 2009 Received: (qmail 20635 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 14:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 14:15:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3DFE181BA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:15:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983B4E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A50E34AC025 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:15:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E9134AC007 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:15:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so4234731ewy.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.43.195 with SMTP id x3mr894259ebe.19.1259676910313; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.6? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm82251ewy.10.2009.12.01.06.15.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:15:09 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4B151BB8.7010804@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:15:08 +0000 Message-Id: <226F6725-A21E-4FAB-BD07-E5CB5EFC7494@threeshoes.net> References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> <4B151BB8.7010804@verizon.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 15:15:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1524f696732013633067 Thanks, John. She certainly is a little charmer :-) Chris On 1 Dec 2009, at 13:35, John Hermanson wrote: > What a beautiful little girl! > _______________________ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 15:16:45 2009 Received: (qmail 3417 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 14:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 14:16:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F385DE18199 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13BBE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8D419E3FE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:16:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057F519E461 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:16:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f180.google.com (mail-iw0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by iwn10 with SMTP id 10so2953693iwn.22 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:16:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.121.164 with SMTP id h36mr1670721ibr.9.1259676977149; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:16:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome> <2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com> <4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:16:17 +0100 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 15:16:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15254d219275034211378 Hello CH, Where do you see the problem in this image? I opened it in DPP and don't see obvious pattern noise at +1 stop (but I'm looking at an old macbook screen which is maybe too dark). Is the pattern visible when printed? All the best, Iwert 2009/12/1 C.H.Ling : > When you shot RAW and push the exposure to near 1 stop you will see it. H= ere > is an example: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7622.CR2 (8MB) > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Wilcox" > >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM, C.H.Ling wrot= e: >>> Just a note to the potential buyer for 5D II (I heard similar problem on >>> 50D >>> too). I found some pattern noise on my 5D II at low ISO so searched the >>> net >>> and found some peoples reported similar problem. The only solution is to >>> avoid under exposure.... :-( >>> >>> http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00Rjyp >> >> In other words, if you underexpose 1 stop and use the raw converter to >> bring up the exposure to normal, there will be some banding? =A0If that >> is what you mean, would this occur even in exposures where all of the >> pixels are visible in the histogram (i.e., no clipping at the left)? >> >> Joel W. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 15:19:52 2009 Received: (qmail 12474 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 14:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 14:19:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E16E18245 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35354E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE4219E4D9 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:19:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949C919E338 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:19:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:19:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29488 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 14:19:45 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 14:19:45 -0000 Message-ID: <4B152600.1040003@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:19:44 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091201-0, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 15:19:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b152608151567801554290 From the artist's page it appears to me that he's shooting with a Mamiya 645 (just a guess based on what appears to be the sweeping curve from pentaprism to eyepiece on that camera). The camera takes various digital backs which are available in 22, 28, 33 and 56 MP sizes with prices ranging from $3700 to $30,500. My guess is that he'd have to sell an awful lot of prints to justify that 56 MP back. So, I'm guessing it's 33 MP or smaller. These sensors are 4:3 ratio just like 4/3 sensosr. The 33 MP sensor is 6726 x 5040 pixels. Over 40" 6726 gives you only 168 pixels/inch. Not much relative to a desired level of maybe 240 ppi for a large print. So I think you're looking at a ressed up image but it looks good because it's very clean... no grain and no noise from those still big pixels. The 56 MP sensor is 9288 pixels on the long side which would give 232 pixels per inch. That's a lot closer to what would be considered high quality for a large print. But I think that sensor is just too expensive and probably not used here. Why not send him a note and ask? Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > See this photo > > http://www.novascotiaphotos.com/frmpage/00269.html > > Taken across water the camera is ~ 1.5 to / 2 kilometers from the buildings > in the distance. > > The camera is digital, likely a DSLR.I have no information concerning the > focal length of the lens or the brand of the camera. > > I have seen a framed print of this image. The exposed part of the print > measures 40" x 25". When viewed at 12" the level of detail in the entire > photo is simply amazing. > >>From the photographer's web site, the gross measurements of the print appear > to be 48" x 22". > > Every single window frame, whether a whole window or part of a window, is > clearly visible and discernable in the two storey sun lit building to the > left of the light house. Each segment of the light dome of the lighthouse is > clearly visible and discernable likewise. > > Can anyone with experience of making big digital prints give an opinion as > to the possible megapixel size of the in-camera image from which this image > could have been taken. Would the Olympus E3 be capable of producing this > level of detail. > > Just curious. > > John Hudson > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 15:21:10 2009 Received: (qmail 10659 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 14:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 14:21:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0BFE18245 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:21:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E37E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:21:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436C319E4EE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:21:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2C219E542 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:21:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:21:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so3495483bwz.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:21:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.49.82 with SMTP id u18mr6159813bkf.47.1259677264152; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:21:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <200911302108.nAUL88Dv005675@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:21:04 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: aa06df17fa43bd9b Message-ID: <9f07ac840912010621y5fba6146o9bfe46d35dffea8c@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Lumix 7-14, was: IMG: Angels-01 - Carlos X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 15:21:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b152656222492013633067 He'd put it on one of her feet... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > > The challenge for any budding photographer is to strategically place the > thong-shaped flare blob on somebody in a photograph. > > Oh, Andrew? > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 15:34:21 2009 Received: (qmail 15347 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 14:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 14:34:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D9BE1822C for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431FEE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:34:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300A234AC027 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:34:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFCC34AC025 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:34:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so3509956bwz.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:34:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.34.82 with SMTP id k18mr6110623bkd.132.1259678053771; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:34:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:34:13 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912010634l17ae0e6buefeb24cfb128d78e@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 15:34:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15296d68371560218263 Nice images Chris; very nice light. Fun age. Charlie On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > And here are a few shots of our granddaughter, 5 months old and playing on > our bed in the morning, the weekend before last: > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100093 > > E-420 and 25/2.8 at ISO 800, catalogued and output with Aperture. > > Chris > > On 30 Nov 2009, at 17:54, Jim Nichols wrote: > > > I find that Thanksgiving gatherings are for grownups. Children often get > bored. This was just another opportunity to grab a shot of one of my > great-granddaughters. > > > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Let+Me+Down.jpg.html > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 15:45:29 2009 Received: (qmail 25772 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 14:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 14:45:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89861E182A7 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14955E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71A134AC028 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:45:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6360534AC025 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:45:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14011 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 14:45:22 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 14:45:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4B152C01.8070902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:45:21 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B152600.1040003@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B152600.1040003@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091201-0, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 15:45:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b152c09227221357919056 I forgot to say that I'd be interested in the answer too if you ask him. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > From the artist's page it appears to me that he's shooting with a > Mamiya 645 (just a guess based on what appears to be the sweeping curve > from pentaprism to eyepiece on that camera). The camera takes various > digital backs which are available in 22, 28, 33 and 56 MP sizes with > prices ranging from $3700 to $30,500. My guess is that he'd have to > sell an awful lot of prints to justify that 56 MP back. So, I'm > guessing it's 33 MP or smaller. These sensors are 4:3 ratio just like > 4/3 sensosr. > > The 33 MP sensor is 6726 x 5040 pixels. Over 40" 6726 gives you only > 168 pixels/inch. Not much relative to a desired level of maybe 240 ppi > for a large print. So I think you're looking at a ressed up image but > it looks good because it's very clean... no grain and no noise from > those still big pixels. The 56 MP sensor is 9288 pixels on the long > side which would give 232 pixels per inch. That's a lot closer to what > would be considered high quality for a large print. But I think that > sensor is just too expensive and probably not used here. > > Why not send him a note and ask? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > John Hudson wrote: >> See this photo >> >> http://www.novascotiaphotos.com/frmpage/00269.html >> >> Taken across water the camera is ~ 1.5 to / 2 kilometers from the buildings >> in the distance. >> >> The camera is digital, likely a DSLR.I have no information concerning the >> focal length of the lens or the brand of the camera. >> >> I have seen a framed print of this image. The exposed part of the print >> measures 40" x 25". When viewed at 12" the level of detail in the entire >> photo is simply amazing. >> >> >From the photographer's web site, the gross measurements of the print appear >> to be 48" x 22". >> >> Every single window frame, whether a whole window or part of a window, is >> clearly visible and discernable in the two storey sun lit building to the >> left of the light house. Each segment of the light dome of the lighthouse is >> clearly visible and discernable likewise. >> >> Can anyone with experience of making big digital prints give an opinion as >> to the possible megapixel size of the in-camera image from which this image >> could have been taken. Would the Olympus E3 be capable of producing this >> level of detail. >> >> Just curious. >> >> John Hudson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 15:48:44 2009 Received: (qmail 12853 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 14:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 14:48:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2B1E181B9 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5E3E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3D219E622 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:48:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0B619E664 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:48:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4677363fxm.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:48:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.20 with SMTP id s20mr599835hbg.66.1259678914192; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:48:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:48:34 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3d988f2c03043286 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 15:48:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b152ccc201171560218263 > > That's interesting. In reading the complaints about banding it was said > that the noise removers (like NI) were fine for removing random noise > but were totally ineffective for pattern noise. It seems that NI must > have some special magic. :-) It won't help at all with the 5Dmk2, but RawShooter 2006 had the most effective pattern noise removal I've come across. It whacked the A1's noise pattern like nothing else, while leaving all detail intact. Amazing. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 15:54:56 2009 Received: (qmail 31598 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 14:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 14:54:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A2DE181AC for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:54:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD53E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:54:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD07334AC005 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:54:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10BC34AC026 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:54:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:54:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.20]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KTZ00IN7ARDAOP0@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:54:49 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnI2ANa8FEsY4MhnQmdsb2JhbAAPgTmIbpEwAQEBGwaYJqUfCoQnBIVl X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,321,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="641111178" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:58:33 -0400 Message-id: <17A9FFFF25E14DF9BC7E463CA9AF73A2@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B152600.1040003@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:54:47 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6141 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 15:54:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b152e40322012013633067 I did ask him. I could also visit his studio ......... he lives across the other side of town. He doesn't want to tell me ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > From the artist's page it appears to me that he's shooting with a > Mamiya 645 (just a guess based on what appears to be the sweeping curve > from pentaprism to eyepiece on that camera). The camera takes various > digital backs which are available in 22, 28, 33 and 56 MP sizes with > prices ranging from $3700 to $30,500. My guess is that he'd have to > sell an awful lot of prints to justify that 56 MP back. So, I'm > guessing it's 33 MP or smaller. These sensors are 4:3 ratio just like > 4/3 sensosr. > > The 33 MP sensor is 6726 x 5040 pixels. Over 40" 6726 gives you only > 168 pixels/inch. Not much relative to a desired level of maybe 240 ppi > for a large print. So I think you're looking at a ressed up image but > it looks good because it's very clean... no grain and no noise from > those still big pixels. The 56 MP sensor is 9288 pixels on the long > side which would give 232 pixels per inch. That's a lot closer to what > would be considered high quality for a large print. But I think that > sensor is just too expensive and probably not used here. > > Why not send him a note and ask? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > John Hudson wrote: >> See this photo >> >> http://www.novascotiaphotos.com/frmpage/00269.html >> >> Taken across water the camera is ~ 1.5 to / 2 kilometers from the >> buildings >> in the distance. >> >> The camera is digital, likely a DSLR.I have no information concerning the >> focal length of the lens or the brand of the camera. >> >> I have seen a framed print of this image. The exposed part of the print >> measures 40" x 25". When viewed at 12" the level of detail in the entire >> photo is simply amazing. >> >>>From the photographer's web site, the gross measurements of the print >>>appear >> to be 48" x 22". >> >> Every single window frame, whether a whole window or part of a window, is >> clearly visible and discernable in the two storey sun lit building to the >> left of the light house. Each segment of the light dome of the lighthouse >> is >> clearly visible and discernable likewise. >> >> Can anyone with experience of making big digital prints give an opinion >> as >> to the possible megapixel size of the in-camera image from which this >> image >> could have been taken. Would the Olympus E3 be capable of producing this >> level of detail. >> >> Just curious. >> >> John Hudson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 15:59:17 2009 Received: (qmail 17682 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 14:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 14:59:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D74FE1824C for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC98EE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:59:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF39219E709 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:59:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AB019E6F0 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:59:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-078.ctimail.com [61.93.57.78]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id nB1Ex7xv024011 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:59:08 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB1Ex7Su018830 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:59:07 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <2DFAB55884B6444FAEC5C06006F37E5C@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com><1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B14E833.3030604@gmail.com><089E4D73DC7849E5814581D922670751@MAIN> <4B151F03.7040508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:59:00 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 15:59:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b152f45191461879814018 I'm only interested on using the OM Zuikos, better with a FF body so Nikon and Sony are not on my list, I know some OM lenses can be coverted but rather expensive. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Will you try Nikon and Sony next? How will you use those OM Zuikos? > > Chuck Norcutt > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 16:06:50 2009 Received: (qmail 28706 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 15:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 15:06:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA42E182A3 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0145CE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9F334AC005 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:06:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CAB34AC025 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:06:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-008.ctimail.com [61.93.57.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:06:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id nB1F6gSP024477 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:06:42 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB1F6gcc020106 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:06:42 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <3E76F51B29E044FAACAF85512F1F1DB5@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN><9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com><1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:06:32 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 16:06:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15310a34451560218263 Actually, at 100% veiw, I see pattern noise even without boost (no +/- compensation on RAW converter). If you don't see the pattern noise (on the smoky sky) at +1 your monitor is too dark, just try +2 you must be able to see it. I have not try to print it but it should be visible on the brighter area. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "iwert bernakiewicz" Hello CH, Where do you see the problem in this image? I opened it in DPP and don't see obvious pattern noise at +1 stop (but I'm looking at an old macbook screen which is maybe too dark). Is the pattern visible when printed? All the best, Iwert 2009/12/1 C.H.Ling : > When you shot RAW and push the exposure to near 1 stop you will see it. > Here > is an example: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7622.CR2 (8MB) > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Wilcox" > >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM, C.H.Ling >> wrote: >>> Just a note to the potential buyer for 5D II (I heard similar problem on >>> 50D >>> too). I found some pattern noise on my 5D II at low ISO so searched the >>> net >>> and found some peoples reported similar problem. The only solution is to >>> avoid under exposure.... :-( >>> >>> http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00Rjyp >> >> In other words, if you underexpose 1 stop and use the raw converter to >> bring up the exposure to normal, there will be some banding? If that >> is what you mean, would this occur even in exposures where all of the >> pixels are visible in the histogram (i.e., no clipping at the left)? >> >> Joel W. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 16:20:45 2009 Received: (qmail 14438 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 15:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 15:20:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6253E181AE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C9EE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176A219E690 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:20:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307ED19E629 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:20:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1166081fgb.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:20:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.163.204 with SMTP id q12mr590210hbd.39.1259680836630; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:20:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B14E833.3030604@gmail.com> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B14E833.3030604@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:20:36 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c340393d8905074e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 16:20:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15344d291411560218263 Moose thus spoke: > You've gone through several DSLRs in the last few years, looking for > perfection. Maybe it doesn't exist and you may need to pick the one with > the least objectionable limitations? CH pushes the limits more than most people, that's for sure. But I will agree with him in that everything is a trade-off, but at this stage of the game with the DSLR product category essentially matured, it is unacceptable for a higher-end camera to be hindered with these issues. After all, it isn't like Canon doesn't know how to deal with noise! If they can get the G10/G11/S90 as quiet as they are with pipsqueek sensors, you'd think that they could get clean images from the 5Dmk2. To Moose's statement of "Maybe it doesn't exist and you may need to pick the one with the least objectionable limitations?" I whole-heartily agree. This has been my modus operandi and why I continue to use the E-1 in spite of some serious drawbacks. Case in point: Last night I photographed a 6mo baby for a customer in their home. I setup a pair of umbrella'd strobes and wirelessly triggered them from the E-1. Some pictures were taken with the 14-54, others with the 35-80 and finally some with the 100/2.8. Thirty seconds spent with the flash meter and I was in business. Later in the evening as I'm downloading images into the computer my wife asks me, "Will your new digital camera have the same colors as this one? It better!" It's a case of "pick your poison". Could I use more resolution? Absolutely! But, frankly, the E-1 was better than my focusing ability most of the time anyway, so it's almost a moot point. Even with the E-1 you can make out facial hairs in an 8x10 print, so I'm not sure what really is to be gained with more-bigger-better. My customers are happy with the E-1 shots, so it's hard to justify an upgrade just for my ego. And it is exactly this kind of photography that pays my bills... So, where was I leading with this? Oh, yeah, to Moose's point. There are a number of considerations when picking a camera. They can include the following: 1. Lens compatibility 2. Resolution 3. High ISO performance 4. Dynamic Range 5. Handling 6. Color 7. Noise characteristics 8. Ability to handle mixed lighting 9. Features Each photographer must determine which item is a "must-have, no matter what". For me, 1,4,5,6 are show-stoppers. If those four aren't right, I won't consider the camera at all. For others, 2,3 are the show-stoppers and all else is irrelevant. Yes, resolution is important to me, but not at the expense of other stuff. It is unfortunate that for every advance in digital cameras there is a setback. Take the Canon 7D as an example--this is potentially the most important UI advance in the Canon EOS line since the introduction of the 1V. But along with this advance comes a setback in the imaging system. Or in the case of Olympus, The E-3's UI is horrid in comparison to the E-1, but the imaging system and features are mostly an advance (except for pattern noise and reduced Dynamic Range). AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 16:27:57 2009 Received: (qmail 31099 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 15:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 15:27:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBD2E1829D for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DFEE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA6F19E773 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:27:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2083A19E72B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:27:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4722548fxm.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:27:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.153 with SMTP id k25mr583488hbe.68.1259681269779; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:27:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <17A9FFFF25E14DF9BC7E463CA9AF73A2@hudson> References: <4B152600.1040003@chucknorcutt.com> <17A9FFFF25E14DF9BC7E463CA9AF73A2@hudson> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:27:49 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7a27b2c553fda18b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 16:27:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1535fd157852013633067 > > He doesn't want to tell me ! > Which means it is fewer than we think. If you get the edge-detail right, it implies more content detail than is really there. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 16:37:35 2009 Received: (qmail 15682 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 15:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 15:37:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC11AE18214 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403F8E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAE33610004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:37:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F35B3610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:37:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:61712 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NFUmp-0004n7-Ee for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:37:12 -0600 Message-ID: <4B153815.1030705@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:36:53 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 16:37:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15383f88776107113666 Are you sure the camera is digital? > The camera is digital, likely a DSLR.I have no information concerning the > focal length of the lens or the brand of the camera. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 16:39:09 2009 Received: (qmail 3844 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 15:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 15:39:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B428E182A2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CABE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1756719E891 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:39:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CE719E531 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:39:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so3579309bwz.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:39:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.153 with SMTP id k25mr585017hbe.68.1259681942818; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:39:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B14E43F.8030709@gmail.com> References: <4B0FAC79.2030200@blueyonder.co.uk> <4B14DE25.6090403@gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912010127q42572322xa6389cfbbe945d63@mail.gmail.com> <4B14E43F.8030709@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:39:02 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ef9167bfe19fbc78 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Hmmm, very interesting... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 16:39:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15389d273955683411216 > > Anyway, blame it all on Ornery AG. I wasn't going to do anything until > he asked. :-) > Oh, sure. Blame it on me! I actually liked what Moose did for it. In the darkroom I would have attempted to soften the grain a bit too and the tonal recovery was similar to what I would have done with split-grade printing. The digital image as shown on the web doesn't do the original justice because of how grain accentuates and turns into golf balls when presented on-screen. But I will admit that the original has a grittiness that goes right along with the subject matter. I think it is quite appropriate. But Moose's interpretion is probably more representative of the real chemical B&W print. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 16:40:36 2009 Received: (qmail 18613 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 15:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 15:40:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0295BE181DE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:40:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBC3E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBCE19E8C3 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:40:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DA919E8BE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:40:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:62192 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NFUq0-0005DY-Sr for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:40:26 -0600 Message-ID: <4B1538C1.1060709@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:39:45 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome> <2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome> <2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com> <4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com><4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com><4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN><9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <4B13F707.10905@picturepedia.org> <1E3E500CC967436B85114A68C83CBC9B@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <1E3E500CC967436B85114A68C83CBC9B@MAIN> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 16:40:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1538f490056107113666 Have you tried the 5D, I thought you did and if so how did it compare. > No again, you need a higher resolution sensor to out-resolve the Zuikos, may > be 40-80MP. But do you really need that high resolution? For me 12MP is > enough (except for lens test). > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 16:47:59 2009 Received: (qmail 13785 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 15:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 15:47:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98788E1805E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:47:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238ADE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:47:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38E419E918 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:47:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B2219E8C2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:47:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:47:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so4334065ewy.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:47:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.97.22 with SMTP id j22mr81765ebn.53.1259682471818; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:47:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm134852ewy.4.2009.12.01.07.47.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:47:50 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0912010634l17ae0e6buefeb24cfb128d78e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:47:48 +0000 Message-Id: <4F4FD504-52DD-4B30-9A85-372E452955F1@threeshoes.net> References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> <14883a8b0912010634l17ae0e6buefeb24cfb128d78e@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 16:47:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b153aaf303281744846740 Thanks, Charlie. It's great to see her face developing its expressions and her limbs their coordination. There's no doubt that little girls are cleverer than boys ... I enjoyed using the E-420 and 25/2.8. It was interesting to stick to the single angle of view after so long zooming ... Chris On 1 Dec 2009, at 14:34, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Nice images Chris; very nice light. Fun age. > > Charlie -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 16:52:07 2009 Received: (qmail 26516 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 15:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 15:52:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3482E182A6 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C827FE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34D13610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:52:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3583D3610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:52:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so4338549ewy.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.100.138 with SMTP id y10mr6414300ebn.96.1259682719074; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm134891ewy.11.2009.12.01.07.51.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:51:58 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:51:57 +0000 Message-Id: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 16:52:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b153ba7148661950411718 Are there any geeky types (:-)) on the List who would like an invitation to join the "Preview"of Wave? Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 16:55:19 2009 Received: (qmail 24230 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 15:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 15:55:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFB3E18255 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E92E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055B03610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:55:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874303610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:55:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:55:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so319207fgg.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:55:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.162.129 with SMTP id l1mr639702hbd.214.1259682913134; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:55:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:55:13 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 001dd29f1aa199fa Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 16:55:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b153c67276761234514069 YES!!!! Are there any geeky types (:-)) on the List who would like an invitation to > join the "Preview"of Wave? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 16:58:18 2009 Received: (qmail 3417 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 15:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 15:58:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6456DE18199 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FE1E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9637819E9C2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:58:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624EA19E9BE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:58:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:65007 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NFV72-0000Cm-NC for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:58:02 -0600 Message-ID: <4B153D01.9030507@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:57:53 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 16:58:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b153d1993781357919056 Me too! On 01/12/2009 16:55, Ken Norton wrote: > YES!!!! > > Are there any geeky types (:-)) on the List who would like an invitation to > >> join the "Preview"of Wave? >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 17:07:34 2009 Received: (qmail 10111 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 16:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 16:07:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271AEE18244 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D6EE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CC43610005 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:07:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D921D3610004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:07:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-081.ctimail.com [61.93.57.81]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id nB1G7QKq028875 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 00:07:26 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB1G7PGK003315 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 00:07:26 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <8F27B865A9B4490593FFD3962CB886AC@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome> <2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome> <2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com> <4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com><4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com><4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN><9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <4B13F707.10905@picturepedia.org><1E3E500CC967436B85114A68C83CBC9B@MAIN> <4B1538C1.1060709@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 00:07:17 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 17:07:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b153f46214761136683642 Actually my first choice was a brand new 5D, I was hopping that the price would drop to $1500 when the 5D II available but it didn't. A brand new 5D early this year still cost $2000 in the shop while 5D II was $2500, the choice was obvious. I had not consider a used 5D as the cost is too high if there is any hidden problem I can't found out during the purchase, lens is ok used but camera is difficult to check. I like the liveview on 5D II as I can do critical focus if needed, this is the major reason for me to get a 5D II. 5D I seems to have less shutter vibration, higher resolution is not critical to my daily uses but a plus for lens test :-) C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "SwissPace" > Have you tried the 5D, I thought you did and if so how did it compare. >> No again, you need a higher resolution sensor to out-resolve the Zuikos, >> may >> be 40-80MP. But do you really need that high resolution? For me 12MP is >> enough (except for lens test). >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 17:08:45 2009 Received: (qmail 12104 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 16:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 16:08:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE7AE18255 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:08:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C5DE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681963610006 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:08:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85983610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:07:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091201160800.YHRE11036.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:08:00 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Bs7z1d0044Z9Gks02s7zcx; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:07:59 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7KDZsWndAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=nJv52RoPnqodFGt6BwYA:9 a=k3YYUmjslqVFbh_iEtoA:7 a=c5i5uCVTJ5DXA5WZByejiFUfFHsA:4 a=YLE7H5wRqG0A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:07:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 17:08:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b153f8d289071612113968 What the hell is Wave? Bill Pearce, who apparently lives in a cave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:51 AM Subject: [OM] OT: Google Wave > Are there any geeky types (:-)) on the List who would like an invitation > to join the "Preview"of Wave? > > Chris > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.88/2538 - Release Date: 12/01/09 07:59:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 17:13:11 2009 Received: (qmail 20497 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 16:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 16:13:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1E3E182A6 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:13:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E46EE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C8A3610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:13:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88AD3610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:13:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so4360750ewy.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.25.70 with SMTP id y6mr2988929ebb.33.1259683983425; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm145327ewy.15.2009.12.01.08.12.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:13:01 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:12:58 +0000 Message-Id: <346515AE-D319-4530-A43E-7836C7444F7C@threeshoes.net> References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 17:13:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b154097260401744846740 Good question. Have a look at Google's explanation: wave.google.com/wave Chris On 1 Dec 2009, at 16:07, Sue Pearce wrote: > What the hell is Wave? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 17:15:05 2009 Received: (qmail 23166 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 16:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 16:15:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E68E1822E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBB5E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67DE3610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:14:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FC13610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:14:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:14:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so3618324bwz.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:14:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.155.82 with SMTP id r18mr6170833bkw.180.1259684073474; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:14:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:14:33 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 17:15:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b154109284941220213263 Another step toward assimilation into the Borg. Charlie On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Sue Pearce wrote: > What the hell is Wave? > > Bill Pearce, who apparently lives in a cave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Barker" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:51 AM > Subject: [OM] OT: Google Wave > > > > Are there any geeky types (:-)) on the List who would like an invitation > > to join the "Preview"of Wave? > > > > Chris > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.88/2538 - Release Date: 12/01/09 > 07:59:00 > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 17:15:09 2009 Received: (qmail 6157 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 16:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 16:15:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8424E1829E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4285DE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:14:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BB23618004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:14:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C863610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:14:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:14:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so4362447ewy.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.99.81 with SMTP id t17mr6238488ebn.53.1259684085121; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm148516ewy.6.2009.12.01.08.14.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:14:44 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4B153D01.9030507@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:14:43 +0000 Message-Id: <6992F448-4385-4A4C-ADBD-9ED9637C5E39@threeshoes.net> References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <4B153D01.9030507@picturepedia.org> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 17:15:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15410d89551073733319 Roger, wilco ... One should be with each of you within the hour. Chris On 1 Dec 2009, at 15:57, SwissPace wrote: > Me too! > > On 01/12/2009 16:55, Ken Norton wrote: >> YES!!!! >> >> Are there any geeky types (:-)) on the List who would like an invitation to >> >>> join the "Preview"of Wave? >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 17:15:15 2009 Received: (qmail 10893 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 16:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 16:15:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A8FE1819F for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98583E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DAA33610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:15:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BC23610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:15:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:3642 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NFVNb-0004lI-0O for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:15:07 -0600 Message-ID: <4B154106.5030700@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:15:02 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome> <2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome> <2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com> <4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com><4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com><4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN><9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <4B13F707.10905@picturepedia.org><1E3E500CC967436B85114A68C83CBC9B@MAIN> <4B1538C1.1060709@picturepedia.org> <8F27B865A9B4490593FFD3962CB886AC@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <8F27B865A9B4490593FFD3962CB886AC@MAIN> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 17:15:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b154113272062517112723 It's a more difficult choice for me, the 5D second hand is $1100 with 2 year warranty and the mk2 version $2800. I like the thought of extra pixels, live view anti dust and HD video. Mostly though I want the camera that can get the best out of my OM lenses or rather me with minimum post. On 01/12/2009 17:07, C.H.Ling wrote: > Actually my first choice was a brand new 5D, I was hopping that the price > would drop to $1500 when the 5D II available but it didn't. A brand new 5D > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 17:18:07 2009 Received: (qmail 24349 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 16:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 16:18:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327CAE18246 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A79E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2828219EA73 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:18:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB5A19E909 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:17:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f180.google.com (mail-iw0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by iwn10 with SMTP id 10so3041978iwn.22 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:17:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.42.150 with SMTP id s22mr242093ibe.22.1259684278632; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:17:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B154106.5030700@picturepedia.org> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <4B13F707.10905@picturepedia.org> <1E3E500CC967436B85114A68C83CBC9B@MAIN> <4B1538C1.1060709@picturepedia.org> <8F27B865A9B4490593FFD3962CB886AC@MAIN> <4B154106.5030700@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:17:58 +0100 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 17:18:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1541bf148371560218263 Forget minimum post processing with zuikos on the 5D. Per definition I only use RAW. It is very hard (for me) to get a decent JPEG out of this camera (5D MK I). Iwert 2009/12/1 SwissPace : > It's a more difficult choice for me, the 5D second hand is $1100 with 2 > year warranty and the mk2 version $2800. I like the thought of extra > pixels, live view anti dust and HD video. Mostly though I want the > camera that can get the best out of my OM lenses or rather me with > minimum post. > > > On 01/12/2009 17:07, C.H.Ling wrote: >> Actually my first choice was a brand new 5D, I was hopping that the price >> would drop to $1500 when the 5D II available but it didn't. A brand new 5D >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 17:19:00 2009 Received: (qmail 13015 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 16:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 16:18:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2548E1822E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDEEE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCD019EA87 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:18:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDCD19E9FB for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:18:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:18:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.20]) by mta04.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KTZ00DWQEN9U3Y0@mta04.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:18:45 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnI2AM3QFEsY4MhnQmdsb2JhbAAPgTmIbpExAQEBGwaYL6UKCoQnBIVl X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,321,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="641173193" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:22:28 -0400 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B153815.1030705@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:18:40 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6141 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 17:19:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1541f4184062517112723 I asked the photographer if it was a digital image and he responded: "john, thank you for your interest, and yes that one is digital. paul" What's meant by "digital image" is the question. Whether produced digitally in the camera or produced from a digital image that was created by scanning a medium or large format film negative. I can produce 500MB digital images from 6cm x 7cm negatives scanned with a Nikon Coolscan 9000. Would the 500MB digital image, when properly worked on, scaled down, etc be good or large enough to produce a 48" x 22" print with incredible detail? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "SwissPace" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > Are you sure the camera is digital? >> The camera is digital, likely a DSLR.I have no information concerning the >> focal length of the lens or the brand of the camera. >> >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 17:20:54 2009 Received: (qmail 5419 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 16:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 16:20:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7C8E1819A for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCE1E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7224F3610006 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:20:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B253610005 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:20:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:20:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.36]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KTZ00I95EPTAOZ0@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:20:17 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnI2AM3QFEsY4MhnQmdsb2JhbAAPgTmIbpExAQEBGwaYL6UKCoQnBIVl X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,321,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="491964394" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:24:04 -0400 Message-id: <2582BA9C2A394B719581EEEC340ADED9@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:20:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6141 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 17:20:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b154266244621220213263 We have lots of waves on our nearby beach What kind of preview is required? Water's wet, cold and rough and sometimes excellent for surfing. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: [OM] OT: Google Wave > Are there any geeky types (:-)) on the List who would like an invitation > to join the "Preview"of Wave? > > Chris > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 17:25:45 2009 Received: (qmail 18601 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 16:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 16:25:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DBDE181CF for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:25:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E763E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3144F3610008 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:24:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60533610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:24:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091201162447.PYAV1164.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:24:47 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id BsQm1d00J4Z9Gks02sQmm2; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:24:47 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=jnGrSijjJoNYJjqaGjHjHA5Zz6aBRYMtiL5zuTdJxhw= c=1 sm=1 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:17 a=7KDZsWndAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=1XWaLZrsAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=kDXfkFYCFDZT1eHpaDAA:9 a=oMXXYZiaIBhQ4KdwONQA:7 a=2VSUb86yXHqh8DY8SMqh2jIiG9AA:4 a=YLE7H5wRqG0A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <89BA4A04069142059D7BB79ADD05B041@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <346515AE-D319-4530-A43E-7836C7444F7C@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:24:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 17:25:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15438960235034211378 Great. Now ANOTHER time waster! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave > Good question. > > Have a look at Google's explanation: > > wave.google.com/wave > > Chris > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 16:07, Sue Pearce wrote: > >> What the hell is Wave? > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.88/2538 - Release Date: 12/01/09 07:59:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 17:28:35 2009 Received: (qmail 28507 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 16:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 16:28:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28649E1824C for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:28:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5F8E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:28:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631B63610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:28:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D723618001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:28:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikooh@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-iw0-f180.google.com (mail-iw0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:28:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by iwn10 with SMTP id 10so3050082iwn.22 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:28:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.1.22 with SMTP id 22mr4166104ibd.56.1259684906391; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:28:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3E76F51B29E044FAACAF85512F1F1DB5@MAIN> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> <3E76F51B29E044FAACAF85512F1F1DB5@MAIN> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:28:26 +0100 Message-ID: From: iwert bernakiewicz To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 17:28:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b154433104371258626592 Hello CH, Now I can see it @ 100% and +1, ambient light was too much during the day. I don't think it is very excessive, and will print well. That doesn't take away that canon noise is horrible compared to for example E-1 noise. It has a very digital look, not analog. That is the one thing I don't like about the 5D @ high iso, however there is more detail in the image... Iwert 2009/12/1 C.H.Ling : > Actually, at 100% veiw, I see pattern noise even without boost (no +/- > compensation on RAW converter). If you don't see the pattern noise (on the > smoky sky) at +1 your monitor is too dark, just try +2 you must be able to > see it. > > I have not try to print it but it should be visible on the brighter area. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "iwert bernakiewicz" > > Hello CH, > > Where do you see the problem in this image? I opened it in DPP and > don't see obvious pattern noise at +1 stop (but I'm looking at an old > macbook screen which is maybe too dark). Is the pattern visible when > printed? > > All the best, > > Iwert > > 2009/12/1 C.H.Ling : >> When you shot RAW and push the exposure to near 1 stop you will see it. >> Here >> is an example: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7622.CR2 (8MB) >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joel Wilcox" >> >>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM, C.H.Ling >>> wrote: >>>> Just a note to the potential buyer for 5D II (I heard similar problem on >>>> 50D >>>> too). I found some pattern noise on my 5D II at low ISO so searched the >>>> net >>>> and found some peoples reported similar problem. The only solution is to >>>> avoid under exposure.... :-( >>>> >>>> http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00Rjyp >>> >>> In other words, if you underexpose 1 stop and use the raw converter to >>> bring up the exposure to normal, there will be some banding? If that >>> is what you mean, would this occur even in exposures where all of the >>> pixels are visible in the histogram (i.e., no clipping at the left)? >>> >>> Joel W. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 17:34:58 2009 Received: (qmail 22617 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 16:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 16:34:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4730E18244 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:34:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D19EE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:34:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57ECF19EB74 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:34:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36D719EB8B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:34:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-102.ctimail.com [61.93.57.102]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id nB1GYpHX030178 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 00:34:51 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB1GYpEc007763 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 00:34:51 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN><9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com><4B13F707.10905@picturepedia.org><1E3E500CC967436B85114A68C83CBC9B@MAIN><4B1538C1.1060709@picturepedia.org><8F27B865A9B4490593FFD3962CB886AC@MAIN><4B154106.5030700@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 00:34:44 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 17:34:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1545b289662517112723 You are right, if you are used to the Olympus DSLR color you may not like the Canyon one. 80% of my shots need some processing to make them look good but I still prefer the color/tone from E-1. If you are ok with one hour lab print then the Canyon color is good but this is my opinion only, it varies with people's taste. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "iwert bernakiewicz" > Forget minimum post processing with zuikos on the 5D. > Per definition I only use RAW. It is very hard (for me) to get a > decent JPEG out of this camera (5D MK I). > > Iwert > > 2009/12/1 SwissPace : >> It's a more difficult choice for me, the 5D second hand is $1100 with 2 >> year warranty and the mk2 version $2800. I like the thought of extra >> pixels, live view anti dust and HD video. Mostly though I want the >> camera that can get the best out of my OM lenses or rather me with >> minimum post. >> >> >> On 01/12/2009 17:07, C.H.Ling wrote: >>> Actually my first choice was a brand new 5D, I was hopping that the >>> price >>> would drop to $1500 when the 5D II available but it didn't. A brand new >>> 5D -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 17:49:36 2009 Received: (qmail 7797 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 16:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 16:49:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3ECE182A3 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D3AE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C863610005 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:49:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=7 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A0C3610008 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:49:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 2 (High) (P0); Accepted (Neutral) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so339700fgg.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:49:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.163.225 with SMTP id q33mr655052hbd.137.1259686156155; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:49:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4B153815.1030705@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:49:16 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e726c4793622542e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 17:49:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b154920152271073733319 > > What's meant by "digital image" is the question. Whether produced digitally > in the camera or produced from a digital image that was created by scanning > a medium or large format film negative. Last year I coined the term "DDC" which means "Delayed Digital Capture". In the professional audio world, we also have the acronyms ADD, AAD, DAD, DDD... which all correspond to what stage in the process analog and digital is used. ADD is Analog recording, but the rest of the process is digital. Like Ken Rockwell (RealRAW), I'm very much in favor of the ADD sequence in imaging. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 17:52:11 2009 Received: (qmail 127 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 16:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 16:52:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCD8E182A6 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:52:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B87BE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:52:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1778719ECC9 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:52:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177B619ECB3 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:52:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jez.cunningham@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.185]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so111185gvf.21 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:52:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.102.197.13 with SMTP id u13mr2099226muf.97.1259686321565; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:52:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4B153815.1030705@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:52:01 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 49a4a153c9f099b2 Message-ID: <9f07ac840912010852w7e7094f1j54eb6e65af5741fe@mail.gmail.com> From: Jez Cunningham To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 17:52:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1549bb114481744846740 I start to read all these abbreviations and I somehow can't keep my mind on the topic - I guess I have ADD or ADHD... Jez On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > > > > What's meant by "digital image" is the question. Whether produced > digitally > > in the camera or produced from a digital image that was created by > scanning > > a medium or large format film negative. > > > > Last year I coined the term "DDC" which means "Delayed Digital Capture". > > In the professional audio world, we also have the acronyms ADD, AAD, DAD, > DDD... which all correspond to what stage in the process analog and digital > is used. ADD is Analog recording, but the rest of the process is digital. > > Like Ken Rockwell (RealRAW), I'm very much in favor of the ADD sequence in > imaging. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 18:12:01 2009 Received: (qmail 21489 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 17:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 17:11:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4B1E181B1 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8FDE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160A219ED93 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:11:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDE719EDE7 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:11:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28075 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 17:11:52 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 18:12:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b154e61320211560218263 Check the upper picture on this page Look above the index finger of the right hand and notice the sweeping curve running from pentaprism area back to the eyepiece area. That's why I think the camera is a Mamiya 645 and likely with digital back Front view here Back view here The sensors for this camera are 48x36 vs 24x36 for 35mm. Canon, Nikon and Sony DSLRs can probably rival the pixel count assuming he has one of the smaller sensors but the 645 pixels will be twice as big. But the 35mm sensor can probably still do very well in good light and most of his photos are taken in pretty good light. We can ask Bob Whitmire whether he's done any really large prints off his new Nykon. How does it do on a 40" print? Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > Are you sure the camera is digital? >> The camera is digital, likely a DSLR.I have no information concerning the >> focal length of the lens or the brand of the camera. >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 18:14:03 2009 Received: (qmail 10757 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 17:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 17:14:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABBEE1822B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C20E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA053610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:13:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075693610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:13:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29625 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 17:13:57 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091201-0, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 18:14:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b154edb256941234514069 So, what does that mean? Back to the 5D? Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > I'm only interested on using the OM Zuikos, better with a FF body so Nikon > and Sony are not on my list, I know some OM lenses can be coverted but > rather expensive. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> Will you try Nikon and Sony next? How will you use those OM Zuikos? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 18:24:53 2009 Received: (qmail 8025 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 17:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 17:24:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B218DE18228 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AAEE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359E619EB5B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:24:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF0919EB56 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:24:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091201172446.IJKC19505.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:24:46 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id BtQl1d00C4Z9Gks02tQltV; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:24:45 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zlPZtuRD1dEA:10 a=ybss8LRuAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=rmrZvEI1AAAA:8 a=JLWaRogUAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=CkYMBpYNaVVlgYpCY3gA:9 a=urruvmcqJFq8y_Miv68A:7 a=H42IwmMlPLtjPcGBbh5haltbMnIA:4 a=NvlqK6FYLLkA:10 a=P7gN4tIRa6cA:10 a=L_P5XdfqwY4A:10 a=TvCbl7QY_0cA:10 a=OtHt0b3vOIUA:10 a=1UoFeTC6MSgA:10 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B153815.1030705@picturepedia.org> <4B154E55.1080206@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:24:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 18:24:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b155164296871946193717 Don't know what Bob's got, but I've taken files from my D3 up to 24x36 and they look great. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > Check the upper picture on this page > > Look above the index finger of the right hand and notice the sweeping > curve running from pentaprism area back to the eyepiece area. That's > why I think the camera is a Mamiya 645 and likely with digital back > Front view here > > Back view here > > > The sensors for this camera are 48x36 vs 24x36 for 35mm. Canon, Nikon > and Sony DSLRs can probably rival the pixel count assuming he has one of > the smaller sensors but the 645 pixels will be twice as big. But the > 35mm sensor can probably still do very well in good light and most of > his photos are taken in pretty good light. > > We can ask Bob Whitmire whether he's done any really large prints off > his new Nykon. How does it do on a 40" print? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > SwissPace wrote: >> Are you sure the camera is digital? >>> The camera is digital, likely a DSLR.I have no information concerning >>> the >>> focal length of the lens or the brand of the camera. >>> >>> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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(VPS 091201-0, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 18:26:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1551b551699752976205 I don't know what Macs can do either but since they're now on Intel hardware and Intel hardware has for a long time had the capability of virtualization I should think it possible to run multiple versions of Mac OS simultaneously. Whether they allow that or not is a different question. My old boss at IBM tried to get Intel to virtualize even the 386 and we would have helped them do it but they didn't seem capable of understanding the advantages. Software folks they were not. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Michael Wong wrote: >> Have found some information from internet, says Nikon Scan is incompatible >> with Mac OS 10.6 Snow Leopard. >> http://zh-hk.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=153797833764 >> >> Nikon seems forget many users for her Scanner ....... >> http://help.nikon.ca/app/answers/detail/a_id/15900/~/will-nikon-software-be-compatible-with-mac-os-10.6-%28snow-leopard%29%3F >> >> Oh! My God! Do I return back to Mac OS 10.5.8? >> > > I know little about Macs and their OS. Is it possible, as it is on a PC, > to have multiple boot OSs? Boot with 10.5.8 for NikonScan and the latest > version for everything else? Or get an old, cheap, used Mac with old OS > just to run the scanner? > > Both awkward, I know. As others have said, Ed Hamrick will probably > promptly address any problem with running batch scans using VueScan. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 18:38:51 2009 Received: (qmail 20088 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 17:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 17:38:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AE0E18279 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C115E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:38:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB7B3610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:38:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9933610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:38:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden103.ctimail.com (maiden103.ctimail.com [61.93.57.254]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:38:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden103.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nB1Hcg3h026975 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:38:43 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB1Hcge8019127 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:38:42 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com><1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B14E833.3030604@gmail.com><089E4D73DC7849E5814581D922670751@MAIN> <4B151F03.7040508@chucknorcutt.com><2DFAB55884B6444FAEC5C06006F37E5C@MAIN> <4B154ED3.8040802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:38:35 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 18:38:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1554ab145081076813867 I will keeping using my 5D II but more careful on the exposure (avoid under). Using NI for important images if pattern noise visible. I won't invest on new Canyon until 5D Mark VI with good field reports. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > So, what does that mean? Back to the 5D? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> I'm only interested on using the OM Zuikos, better with a FF body so >> Nikon >> and Sony are not on my list, I know some OM lenses can be coverted but >> rather expensive. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> >>> Will you try Nikon and Sony next? How will you use those OM Zuikos? >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 18:43:50 2009 Received: (qmail 31875 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 17:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 17:43:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3D2E181BA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1762E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E273610009 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:43:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCC63610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:43:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4879193fxm.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:43:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.138.35 with SMTP id n35mr635218hbn.30.1259689422617; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:43:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B154ED3.8040802@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B14E833.3030604@gmail.com> <089E4D73DC7849E5814581D922670751@MAIN> <4B151F03.7040508@chucknorcutt.com> <2DFAB55884B6444FAEC5C06006F37E5C@MAIN> <4B154ED3.8040802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:43:42 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5c6d2bc14594071b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 18:43:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1555d6317731234514069 > > So, what does that mean? Back to the 5D? > I know I am threatened a thumping by Khen every time I say it, but an original 5D or 1DsMk2 is on my shortlist of cameras. I'm just impatiently waiting for the prices to come down into my neighborhood. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 18:48:59 2009 Received: (qmail 5798 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 17:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 17:48:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9133E18236 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:48:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A18E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560743610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:48:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E936D3610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:48:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp07.register.it [81.88.48.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:48:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27948 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2009 17:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@79.146.142.242) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 17:48:48 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <60f983080912010210t432c5a1bk7f1ee1e1b77e5524@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:48:47 +0100 Message-Id: <99CB5A8B-1F2C-4F37-9571-78B0E429624D@frozenlight.eu> References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <6f8422750911300937u27b2dc68taf34465a469d50ba@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300946k77feb09cy393f1cb79ae2e234@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080912010210t432c5a1bk7f1ee1e1b77e5524@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 18:48:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15570b181561076813867 So what's the big deal anyway? When I used a Nikon film scanner, I found Vu= escan far superior in terms of image quality (if not the interface), and in= the end that's what counts, =BFno? Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 1, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Michael Wong wrote: > Chris, > Mr. Ed Hamrick will help me for Nikon Scan? > = > By the way, Vuescan works properly in Snow Leopard. > = > = > --- > Michael > = > = > = > 2009/12/1 Chris Barker > = >> I'm sure that Ed Hamrick will help you with that, Michael. Send him an >> email and ask him. >> = >> Chris >> = >> On 30 Nov 2009, at 17:46, Michael Wong wrote: >> = >>> I'm lucky I may still scan my films with Vuescan but without batch >> feature >>> (seems batch feature is not working in my Mac) ......... Actually, I sc= an >> my >>> B&W films with Nikon Scan with batch scan function only. For color >> negative, >>> slide films will apply Vuescan for base film color locking & IT8 ICC >> profile >>> applied. >>> = >>> But still feel uncomfortable for incompatible Nikon Scan in Mac OS 10.6 >> :-( >> = >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> = >> = > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 19:00:20 2009 Received: (qmail 10442 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 18:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 18:00:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475C8E18279 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2EDE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4BC3618004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:00:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D543610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:00:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:00:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4898398fxm.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:00:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.20 with SMTP id s20mr625872hbg.66.1259690413445; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:00:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <99CB5A8B-1F2C-4F37-9571-78B0E429624D@frozenlight.eu> References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <6f8422750911300937u27b2dc68taf34465a469d50ba@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300946k77feb09cy393f1cb79ae2e234@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080912010210t432c5a1bk7f1ee1e1b77e5524@mail.gmail.com> <99CB5A8B-1F2C-4F37-9571-78B0E429624D@frozenlight.eu> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:00:12 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9e9db1c5161b6933 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 19:00:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1559b4124591612113968 > > So what's the big deal anyway? When I used a Nikon film scanner, I found > Vuescan far superior in terms of image quality (if not the interface), and > in the end that's what counts, =BFno? > I prefer NikonScan for batch scanning. The software finds the leading edge of the frames better than Vuescan does. Also, there is that little issue with Vuescan always wanting to readjust exposure on you... AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 19:22:05 2009 Received: (qmail 2166 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 18:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 18:22:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1D8E181B9 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB6CE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:21:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F396B19EFBF for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:21:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155F219F004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:21:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp09.register.it [81.88.48.59]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:21:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8574 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2009 18:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@79.146.142.242) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 18:21:53 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:21:51 +0100 Message-Id: References: <062B975A-CEA2-4282-94F7-98395EC6C704@frozenlight.eu> <4B0CFAE6.70908@chucknorcutt.com> <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 46: Algar and Pedreguer X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 19:22:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b155ecd141953900897491 Thanks! As always, it is an honor to have one of my images deemed worthy of the Moose's time. In this case, I find your version a bit overdone, but obviously you are working off a web-sized JPEG with the limitations that this entails. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 1, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Moose wrote: > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> Thanks for looking, Chuck! By popular demand, I have posted a B&W version of alt7: >> http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#723704123_X64jy-O-LB >> >> And I think it is indeed better than in color. >> > > Works very well in B&W. I prefer it opened up a bit. > > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 19:44:49 2009 Received: (qmail 577 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 18:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 18:44:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A29E181D8 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4E3E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1700D3610004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:44:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F493610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:44:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8993 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 18:44:40 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 18:44:40 -0000 Message-ID: <4B156417.6050807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:44:39 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus mail list X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091201-0, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles in PhotoShop? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 19:44:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b156421102435683411216 I recently ordered some 6x9, 8x12 and 10x15 prints from Adorama. I ordered from Adorama since they were offering some attractive prices. I also noticed that they were offering profiles for the papers they use. I was particulary interested in the Kodak Endura Luster and Silk papers. Previously I've only ordered from Miller's Lab or Mpix who manage to produce proper color from my sRGB files regardless of the paper. I downloaded all of Adorama's profiles without giving much thought to how they are to be used. But when it came time to prepare my order I realized I didn't know how I was supposed to use them in PhotoShop. I have experience in using custom profiles for my own printer/paper/ink combinations where the profile is essentially an output filter between PhotoShop and my specific printer. I don't alter the image from what I see on my screen but simply tell PhotoShop to manage the output to the printer using a specific profile. But since I'm not outputting to a printer I suddenly realized that I couldn't simply view in sRGB on my calibrated monitor yet somehow magically produce a custom output form for a specific Kodak paper. So, how is this done? Do I need to preview the monitor image using the output profile for the paper in question rather than my standard sRGB? Do I need to tweak the colors I see on screen as filtered through the paper profile until they look to my eye like the original sRGB profile? Or do I need to generate an output file that is filtered through the paper profile in a manner similar to generating the output data that goes to my inkjet printer? I'm mystified and not a little startled that I don't know how to do this. Anyhow, I ordered my prints from Adorama and got a good price and some nice looking prints... except for the fact that they have a very slight greenish cast. My wife didn't even notice the green cast so the prints are perfectly usable but I assume that, had I used the proper paper profile that the green cast wouldn't be there. ps: What's different between Miller's/Mpix and Adorama? Why doesn't Adorama say just send us sRGB and we'll adjust the color through our profiles based on your paper selection? A more ignorant the I thought Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 19:47:23 2009 Received: (qmail 28387 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 18:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 18:47:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E566E18197 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:47:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76712E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:47:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5836D3610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:47:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1803610003 for ; 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d="scan'208";a="93771807" X-EsetScannerBuild: 6141 References: <062B975A-CEA2-4282-94F7-98395EC6C704@frozenlight.eu> <4B0CFAE6.70908@chucknorcutt.com> <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> Subject: [OM] out and about with my DZ 7-14 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 19:47:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1564bb210541234514069 I was in Alberta last week with my 7-14 Seen here are some shots taken in Calgary looking up at tall buildings www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta04.html Seen here are some shots taken in Calgary looking down from a tall building www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta05.html Seen here are some shots taken in cloudy and snowy weather at an otherwise very nice location. www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta06.html jh __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 19:48:39 2009 Received: (qmail 9392 invoked by uid 0); 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Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13444 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2009 12:47:59 -0600 Received-SPF: none (no valid SPF record) Received: from pool-96-248-134-223.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.248.134.223) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 12:47:59 -0600 Message-ID: <4B1564E7.1080005@ctgonline.org> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:48:07 -0600 From: Paul Braun User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0FB796AF-2779-493C-949E-6237C9028399@ctgonline.org> <4B149125.3040601@gmail.com> <4B14BD9C.7060606@ctgonline.org> <9f07ac840912010301v38eb668ay14600b2970218623@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9f07ac840912010301v38eb668ay14600b2970218623@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] P&S - narrowed the list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 19:48:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b156507186201234514069 Jez Cunningham wrote: > Can you wait?!! It's currently on Amazon at $199... > Found it at buy.com for $199 as well, and they do the 90day same-as-cash thing, which right now is a good thing. Will be on order this afternoon. I'll pick up an extra battery before we leave for Scottsdale. This will also give me plenty of time to get familiar with the options and controls, so I'm not taking a shiny new camera out for it's first time on vacation. I'd love an E-P1, but like the LX3, it's way out of the budget. Too bad the Olympus digicams get such poor reviews. I would have liked to have kept it in the family. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March "Music washes from the soul the dust of everyday life" - Harlan Howard -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 19:48:40 2009 Received: (qmail 22008 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 18:48:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 18:48:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C75E18255 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD3EE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBB33610004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4813618007 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so3781177bwz.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:48:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.21.9 with SMTP id y9mr2140989mui.116.1259693302746; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:48:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <6f8422750911300937u27b2dc68taf34465a469d50ba@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300946k77feb09cy393f1cb79ae2e234@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080912010210t432c5a1bk7f1ee1e1b77e5524@mail.gmail.com> <99CB5A8B-1F2C-4F37-9571-78B0E429624D@frozenlight.eu> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:48:22 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912011048x37b29e4cj47190e5650614946@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 19:48:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b156508163875683411216 Last consensus ended in that NikonScan was better than Vuescan. And I do agree on this: despite the flawed results of my uploaded .jpg, I pixel-peeped the ViewScan .tif and the NikonScan .tif - the NikonScan was far better, 'though you'll not see that in these .jpg The resulting files prove nothing, since I was exploring three issues at the same time, hence the critique Carlos left. But I tried ... NikonScan - adobeRGB Vuescan - sRGB: Fernando. 2009/12/1 Ken Norton : >> >> So what's the big deal anyway? When I used a Nikon film scanner, I found >> Vuescan far superior in terms of image quality (if not the interface), a= nd >> in the end that's what counts, =BFno? >> > > > I prefer NikonScan for batch scanning. The software finds the leading edge > of the frames better than Vuescan does. Also, there is that little issue > with Vuescan always wanting to readjust exposure on you... > > AG > -- -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 19:56:06 2009 Received: (qmail 28320 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 18:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 18:56:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B173E181CB for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:56:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED539E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:55:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5563618001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:55:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913ED3610006 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:55:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.110]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1308 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2009 18:55:56 -0000 Message-ID: <150980.379.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: EerQd_4VM1nS40beZzQYTOVuNo.qsUWCOU7bw7jVYvyNtv_xyaLeh2dm3UUx6z8FlYreGdhOm7igzWVpjIMJtfXqvTFDXa1MoLgon1x7A8_xLhg1c4tUYdpucp8Lw1ROt_zVD_dgRBmQVEDZGU661bKrlWzHYO4kenqjaZ2uOwD0xbX0GdpJOZd_YKSRWmz7i2jicxvc3hdi6JrSbXL2Lnw8ozYlsUj73ULMs5Q6od4s5OWbhfzEbpAm45YyQI9oJJgQ52FBKjaYxu5hYIk_ChvZA_SFqwB7bEub8gUk8tmtO2XHfOR6PUi14FIPS3h4yKPfAz43PIC5Z2knrozMH.lhL1LNqSOXp_5HjNsNA5n0JwR_MU3lLf4RR3cLUykJuck2G.irvYVMbseoa6o7f0ZesUQNSeb.y8qnrwyjknnvxnYgEm0eoZiQyAYD2BfEaxBKYiKNJ5gkg0IFMfVzdGwdb3ewTYIfajXOdF3Ceg7BpPDt3atFqLnL7K2joqFwnkKp0aqiv7i2RlRBiFeVzhKKu4n1SyvZEjQo6v2LG_A1pKJNTd2NNdPNYyeVR38NaWcj Received: from [99.60.231.141] by web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:55:55 PST X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:55:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B150ED3.1020306@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] question for Dr. Battery X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 19:56:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1566c6124296107113666 The Eneloops are generally the best that I have looked at, because they are= rated to deliver a higher current=A0 than the competition's cells.=A0 = EverReady has just come out with some precharged low self discharge cells, = but I have not got my hands on them or seen full data sheets. I believe Son= y has also come out with some, but again I have not seen specs or evaluated= .=A0=A0 I have not looked at Duracell specs either. These are credible vend= ors , so if somebody wants to search web for data sheets and post urls, I w= ill be happy to compare specs.=A0 = Some of the Chinese generics are much lower current rated and have higher i= nternal resistance (voltage drops more with increase current) and some have= higher self discharge and also spec smaller # of cycles, so not as good.= =A0=A0 Rayovac, Hybrio,Ultralife etc all seem=A0 not as good as Eneloops. = Remember deep discharging these cells, is exactly like doing that to regula= r NiMh and it will likely greatly shorten life.=A0 Particularly in a long s= tring of cells where the weakest cell then gets reverse charged and damaged= by venting. Tim hughes --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Chuck Norcutt wrote: From: Chuck Norcutt Subject: Re: [OM] question for Dr. Battery To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 4:40 AM I'll second Moose's opinion on the batteries and would also recommend a = charger that handles each cell individually.=A0 I have a couple of Maha = chargers that charge 4 cells in pairs.=A0 That's better than charging all = four at once but, as some of my older NiMH batteries aged and started to = fail, I would discover that a pair would be extremely slow to charge or = never reach full charge at all.=A0 Trying to discover the bad cell means = mixing different pairs until you narrow down on the culprit.=A0 On the = other hand, given the high price of single cell chargers and the low = price of NiMH batteries it might possibly make more sense to replace all = the batteries of a given purchase group when one gives an indication of = being weak.=A0 When I buy rechargeable batteries I mark them in groups = with a ring of colored tape to identify them as part of a group based on = when they were purchased.=A0 When I use the batteries I use all of the = same group. If I had a group of 8 that were two years old and one was = giving signs of weakness I'd have no qualms about trashing all 8 since = the other 7 are probably not far behind. As to low discharge NiMH I also highly recommend Sanyo Eneloop.=A0 I've = been using 8 of them for a couple years.=A0 All 8 still charge up equally = and still provide plenty of power in a flash the only gets used maybe = once every 3 to 4 months or even longer.=A0 For heavy duty shooting I'd = more likely buy the highest capacity NiMH I could find (are they at 2700 = mah now?) and charge them just before the event.=A0 That is, if I was = shooting a wedding with NiMH batteries.=A0 Personally, I would more likely = use my high voltage lead acid battery packs for shooting a wedding. = NiMH have plenty of capacity but can't recycle a flash from a full dump = in 1.5 seconds.=A0 This is like a Quantum Turbo battery at 1/3 the price. I recently added a set of 4 Duracell low discharge NiMH to my Eneloops. = =A0 I wanted another set of Eneloops but there is no place where I can buy = them locally and I needed them in a couple of days.=A0 A search of the web = told me that Duracell low discharge NiMH were actually rebranded = Eneloops... at least the ones made in Japan.=A0 I located some Duracell = 2000 mah (same as Eneloop) at Home Depot but they're made in China, not = Japan.=A0 So I don't know what I've got although they're working fine so = far.=A0 But I've only had them for a few months.=A0 I'll give another repor= t = in a couple of years.=A0 :-) Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Sue Pearce wrote: >> What's the latest on rechargable AA batteries for shoe mount strobes? I = went to the Thomas Dist. site and found a Maha charger and "low discharge" = NiMH batteries that I think I remember from a previous discussion. >> >> But that was at least a year ago. What's the latest? = >>=A0=A0=A0 > = > I've been very happy with the eneloops I bought and a combo of the = > charger that came with some of them and a Lacrosse Technology BC-700U = > charger. The Sanyo charger works fine, but with pairs only, and I use = > them in some devices that use one or three cells. The Lacrosse charger = > has full charge info and control individually for each of up to four cell= s. > = > Other makers, both name and generic brands, have come out with similar = > sounding batteries. Whether they are as good as the eneloops, I don't = > know. Better, I'd bet not. I haven't kept up, 'cause I'm not in the marke= t. > = > I very seldom use flash, so I know little about how they fare in that = > use. The one time I used a set in the 540EZ for an event, they breezed = > through. They are certainly great for everything I've tried them in. I = > think that the use where they wouldn't be best is really heavy flash use = > where batteries can be fully charged the night before and maximum = > flashes per charge is needed. > = > There, one would go with the highest capacity normal NiMh batteries = > available. I read, although I'm not sure where in my initial research, = > thta the highest capacity cells also have a fairly fast drop off in = > usable capacity with heavy use. Still, out of the budget for a major pro = > shoot, one could simply replace them regularly. > = > Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 20:00:25 2009 Received: (qmail 10188 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 19:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 19:00:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CDAE182B7 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBFEE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8301119F323 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:00:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E219719F312 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:00:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl26.gs02.gridserver.com (cl26.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.35]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-127-85-128.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.85.128]:60224 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl26.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFXxQ-0000UT-Ro for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:00:17 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:00:48 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles in PhotoShop? Thread-Index: AcpyuJfP1j2AX96rEd6NhQAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4B156417.6050807@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles in PhotoShop? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 20:00:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1567c9262949730998309 Chick, Soft proofing doesn't really work well with RGB profiles, is it more effective with CMYK press profiles because those presses lose a lot more color range compared to what the monitor shows. When preparing files for an RGB printer like a Fuji Frontier or other digital minilab, or for an inkjet printer (injets are designed for RGB input despite using cmyk inks). Here's what you do: Make the image look the way you want in sRGB, then convert to the printer profile you have using the 'convert to profile' command. You'l probably want to do this using Perceptual rendering. Many RGB output profiles give bad results using Relative Colorimetric. An easy test is to take a file and convert it both ways and send both files to the lab and see which looks closer to your screen. But I am betting on Perceptual. Save the converted file under a new name so you don't lose the original sRGB version. When you save, DO NOT embed the profile....Fuji Frontiers don't like to see an embedded profile. Then, send the converted file to the printer. Your print should be pretty close if your screen is calibrated right. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 12/1/09 1:44 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > I recently ordered some 6x9, 8x12 and 10x15 prints from Adorama. I > ordered from Adorama since they were offering some attractive prices. I > also noticed that they were offering profiles for the papers they use. > I was particulary interested in the Kodak Endura Luster and Silk papers. > Previously I've only ordered from Miller's Lab or Mpix who manage to > produce proper color from my sRGB files regardless of the paper. > > I downloaded all of Adorama's profiles without giving much thought to > how they are to be used. But when it came time to prepare my order I > realized I didn't know how I was supposed to use them in PhotoShop. I > have experience in using custom profiles for my own printer/paper/ink > combinations where the profile is essentially an output filter between > PhotoShop and my specific printer. I don't alter the image from what I > see on my screen but simply tell PhotoShop to manage the output to the > printer using a specific profile. > > But since I'm not outputting to a printer I suddenly realized that I > couldn't simply view in sRGB on my calibrated monitor yet somehow > magically produce a custom output form for a specific Kodak paper. > > So, how is this done? Do I need to preview the monitor image using the > output profile for the paper in question rather than my standard sRGB? > Do I need to tweak the colors I see on screen as filtered through the > paper profile until they look to my eye like the original sRGB profile? > Or do I need to generate an output file that is filtered through the > paper profile in a manner similar to generating the output data that > goes to my inkjet printer? I'm mystified and not a little startled that > I don't know how to do this. > > Anyhow, I ordered my prints from Adorama and got a good price and some > nice looking prints... except for the fact that they have a very slight > greenish cast. My wife didn't even notice the green cast so the prints > are perfectly usable but I assume that, had I used the proper paper > profile that the green cast wouldn't be there. > > ps: What's different between Miller's/Mpix and Adorama? Why doesn't > Adorama say just send us sRGB and we'll adjust the color through our > profiles based on your paper selection? > > A more ignorant the I thought > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 20:02:19 2009 Received: (qmail 10021 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 19:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 19:02:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC89E1822E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:02:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFC7E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:02:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578FF19F341 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:02:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6992619F330 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:02:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:02:09 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id nB1J2488008409 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:02:07 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B14AC5D.8050301@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:02:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 20:02:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15683b209662517112723 Moose, I reworked the image a couple of times using NeatImage, and this one seems to be the best of the lot. Sorry I couldn't do more, but I'm not very skilled in this area. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Let+Me+Down.jpg.html Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image > Jim Nichols wrote: >> I find that Thanksgiving gatherings are for grownups. Children often get >> bored. This was just another opportunity to grab a shot of one of my >> great-granddaughters. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Let+Me+Down.jpg.html >> >> Comments and critiques welcomed. >> > > Nice capture! Looks like nap time to me, too, but it's been some time > since I had to judge that. > > I suppose it's my picky eyes again. Still, I just love the super fine, > soft texture of skin on these little ones, and the noise makes it look > like there is dried food all over, not just in parts, sort of a baby > oatmeal texture. > > So - I like it a lot better with a little NR. > > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 20:43:49 2009 Received: (qmail 19312 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 19:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 19:43:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8E6E1824C for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24BE9E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A81819F4BE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:43:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034E119F4C5 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:43:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.2]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2122.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 75FAE70000A4 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:43:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (86.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2122.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 48094700009E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:43:38 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091201194338295.48094700009E@msfrf2122.sfr.fr Message-Id: <565D60F2-CC46-4EDC-9CAC-5C53E3D33494@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:43:38 +0100 References: <4B14AC5D.8050301@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 20:43:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1571f5113741220213263 Now we're getting even closer to Hopper - most excellent work Jim, = love it Amicalement Philippe Le 1 d=E9c. 09 =E0 20:02, Jim Nichols a =E9crit : > Moose, > > I reworked the image a couple of times using NeatImage, and this one = > seems > to be the best of the lot. Sorry I couldn't do more, but I'm not very > skilled in this area. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Let+Me+Down.jpg.html > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moose" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:40 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image > > >> Jim Nichols wrote: >>> I find that Thanksgiving gatherings are for grownups. Children = >>> often get >>> bored. This was just another opportunity to grab a shot of one of = >>> my >>> great-granddaughters. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Let+Me+Down.jpg.html >>> >>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>> >> >> Nice capture! Looks like nap time to me, too, but it's been some time >> since I had to judge that. >> >> I suppose it's my picky eyes again. Still, I just love the super = >> fine, >> soft texture of skin on these little ones, and the noise makes it = >> look >> like there is dried food all over, not just in parts, sort of a baby >> oatmeal texture. >> >> So - I like it a lot better with a little NR. >> >> >> Moose >> -- = >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 20:55:49 2009 Received: (qmail 147 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 19:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 19:55:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC5EE181BF for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D41DE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2973610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:55:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0B03610004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:55:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.2]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2122.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7B0AE7000091 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:55:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (86.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2122.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4530F700008F for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:55:41 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091201195541283.4530F700008F@msfrf2122.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6BABB43682024EDBBDB383068804D6FD@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:55:41 +0100 References: <062B975A-CEA2-4282-94F7-98395EC6C704@frozenlight.eu> <4B0CFAE6.70908@chucknorcutt.com> <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> <6BABB43682024EDBBDB383068804D6FD@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] out and about with my DZ 7-14 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 20:55:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1574c536687801554290 The lens sure works fine - bottom - up does not work very well i.e = convergence ... except when objects are already slanted, twisted, etc. Top - down doesn't fare as well as panos would. BUT I love the snow images , there you caught nature as it should, kudos ! No artefacts, no slant, no apparent convergence, a real pleasure for = the eye. Did you shoot them all at 7? Thanks for sharing these very informative takes. Bien cordialement de Metz. Philippe Le 1 d=E9c. 09 =E0 19:47, John Hudson a =E9crit : > I was in Alberta last week with my 7-14 > > Seen here are some shots taken in Calgary looking up at tall buildings > > www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta04.html > > Seen here are some shots taken in Calgary looking down from a tall = > building > > www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta05.html > > Seen here are some shots taken in cloudy and snowy weather at an = > otherwise > very nice location. > > www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta06.html > > jh > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus = > signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 20:57:37 2009 Received: (qmail 9581 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 19:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 19:57:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EADE181CF for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3E3E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB423610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:57:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8D83610005 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:57:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31446 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 19:56:59 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 19:56:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4B157509.6000305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:56:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091201-0, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles in PhotoShop? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 20:57:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15753160281076813867 Thanks. I guess I had it sort of half figured out when I said: "Or do I need to generate an output file that is filtered through the paper profile in a manner similar to generating the output data that goes to my inkjet printer?" I just didn't know how to do it. Now I do. Thanks again. And I'll take your advice on having the same test print done multiple ways. Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > Chick, > > Soft proofing doesn't really work well with RGB profiles, is it more > effective with CMYK press profiles because those presses lose a lot more > color range compared to what the monitor shows. When preparing files for an > RGB printer like a Fuji Frontier or other digital minilab, or for an inkjet > printer (injets are designed for RGB input despite using cmyk inks). > > Here's what you do: Make the image look the way you want in sRGB, then > convert to the printer profile you have using the 'convert to profile' > command. You'l probably want to do this using Perceptual rendering. Many RGB > output profiles give bad results using Relative Colorimetric. An easy test > is to take a file and convert it both ways and send both files to the lab > and see which looks closer to your screen. But I am betting on Perceptual. > > Save the converted file under a new name so you don't lose the original sRGB > version. When you save, DO NOT embed the profile....Fuji Frontiers don't > like to see an embedded profile. Then, send the converted file to the > printer. Your print should be pretty close if your screen is calibrated > right. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 21:06:44 2009 Received: (qmail 13549 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 20:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 20:06:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BBCAE18247 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:06:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6E9E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B073610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:06:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FCE3618001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:06:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (paganini19.register.it [81.88.48.52]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:06:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13097 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2009 20:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@79.146.142.242) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 20:06:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:06:34 +0100 Message-Id: <8C939DDC-6390-4E87-B891-045EDE960D38@frozenlight.eu> References: <0FB796AF-2779-493C-949E-6237C9028399@ctgonline.org> <4B149125.3040601@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] P&S - narrowed the list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 21:06:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b157754241355034211378 The RAW files from LX3 convert without any problems on the Mac, using Lightroom. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 1, 2009, at 9:24 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > And Nathan and I use the LX3. I am very happy with mine: in particular the wide (24mm), the variable format (3:2, 4:3 or 16:9), and the results are very good. And it is small enough to fit easily into a jacket pocket: a delightful little device all round > > My only whinge is that Mac users (iPhoto or Aperture) can't use RAW direct. But you get SilkyPix with the LX3 to interpret the RAW files and ACR works anyway for Photoshop and LightRoom. In addition, Picasa and LightZone on the Mac do a great job with the RAW files. > > I am tempted to get the G11 as well, but it would be a large expenditure (in the UK) and I would have to sell my E-420, with which I am very happy. > > Chris > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 03:44, Moose wrote: > >> If you are really looking for a replacement for a Stylus and the IQ of >> film, your budget is more flexible, and a really long zoom range isn't >> necessary, you might also consider moving to a camera with a bigger >> sensor. That tends to be where the rubber meets the road in IQ. Two very >> different cameras with the next size up sensors are the Panny LX3 and >> Canon G11. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 21:20:59 2009 Received: (qmail 19945 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 20:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 20:20:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B50E181A3 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C29E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235F519F4E9 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:20:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD7019F49C for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:20:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl39.gs02.gridserver.com (cl39.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.48]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:20:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-127-85-128.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.85.128]:60739 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl39.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFZDO-0003mZ-LH for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:20:52 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:21:28 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles in PhotoShop? Thread-Index: Acpyw9ytG2hx5N63Ed63zgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4B157509.6000305@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles in PhotoShop? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 21:20:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b157aab143981234514069 Chuck, glad I could help. I got expert in this stuff, color management, years ago when I first began using my film scanner and an epson printer. It was a nightmare because back then little reliable info was out there and it was all very obscure and hard to understand. Things are easier now, there are some good books out there that explain this stuff in plain english, but I still think color management is the hardest thing about digital mage processing. There are so many variables. Is he monitor calibrated right? Is the monitor even capable of proper display? Most LCDs are almost worthless in my experience if you want exact or near-exact matching from screen to print. Most are too bright and to make matters worse, most Calibration systems have you use way too bright of a white point when they calibrate your screen (should be 80cd/sq inch). My Eye-One Display said to calibrate LCDs to 120 cd/sq in, and that is WAYYYYY to bright. I now have a self-calibrating NEC screen that automatically sets itself to 80 for brightness and D65 for color temp. Works perfect, but expensive. The old CRT screens were better, even cheap ones worked well. With LCDs the cheap ones often are not capable of the accuracy of color needed and are too bright even at the dimmest settings :( Yep, you had it right. The choice between Perceptual and Relative Colrimetric is called the RENDERING INTENT> What it does is it controls the manner in which colors are converted from your editing colorspace (sRGB) and your output colorspace (the printer profile). Like I said some profiles seem to be optimized for Perceptual, some for Relative Colorimetric. Perceptual is most common. You can't trust the instructions that come with the profile (if it came with any). I have gotten profiles from labs before with instructions to use one of the rendering intents, only to find that the opposite choice gave the best results! That's why I say to try them both. Oh, I forgot....when you do the conversion, there is a checkbox that says "Use black point compensation". Make sure its checked. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 12/1/09 2:56 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > Thanks. I guess I had it sort of half figured out when I said: > "Or do I need to generate an output file that is filtered through the > paper profile in a manner similar to generating the output data that > goes to my inkjet printer?" I just didn't know how to do it. Now I do. > Thanks again. And I'll take your advice on having the same test print > done multiple ways. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> Chick, >> >> Soft proofing doesn't really work well with RGB profiles, is it more >> effective with CMYK press profiles because those presses lose a lot more >> color range compared to what the monitor shows. When preparing files for an >> RGB printer like a Fuji Frontier or other digital minilab, or for an inkjet >> printer (injets are designed for RGB input despite using cmyk inks). >> >> Here's what you do: Make the image look the way you want in sRGB, then >> convert to the printer profile you have using the 'convert to profile' >> command. You'l probably want to do this using Perceptual rendering. Many RGB >> output profiles give bad results using Relative Colorimetric. An easy test >> is to take a file and convert it both ways and send both files to the lab >> and see which looks closer to your screen. But I am betting on Perceptual. >> >> Save the converted file under a new name so you don't lose the original sRGB >> version. When you save, DO NOT embed the profile....Fuji Frontiers don't >> like to see an embedded profile. Then, send the converted file to the >> printer. Your print should be pretty close if your screen is calibrated >> right. >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 21:30:32 2009 Received: (qmail 21534 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 20:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 20:30:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F14E181AC for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D208E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364D719F5BA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:30:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7148919F5A5 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:30:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:30:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24432 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 20:30:24 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 20:30:24 -0000 Message-ID: <4B157CDF.9030706@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:30:23 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B153815.1030705@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091201-0, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 21:30:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b157ce8277261220213263 I think so. You should be getting images at 4000 dpi which are near 11,000 pixels wide (depending on how much of that 70mm width is actually used for image). At 48" you should be able to get about 220 dpi or more without ressing up the image which is pretty good for a really large print. But there's an easy way to tell. Just crop out a representative section of the image and print it at 8x10. Assume that you do have an image that's 10,560 pixels wide. Divide it by 48" and you get 220 pixels per inch. An 8x10 crop of that would be 1760 x 2200 pixels. Crop out a piece that size in pixels and print it 8x10. Put it on the wall and stand a couple feet back as you would when viewing a really large print. Recognize that you might have to hit it with some noise reducing software to suppress the grain. But you can decide that after you make a test print. Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > I asked the photographer if it was a digital image and he responded: > > "john, thank you for your interest, and yes that one is digital. > paul" > > What's meant by "digital image" is the question. Whether produced digitally > in the camera or produced from a digital image that was created by scanning > a medium or large format film negative. > > I can produce 500MB digital images from 6cm x 7cm negatives scanned with a > Nikon Coolscan 9000. Would the 500MB digital image, when properly worked on, > scaled down, etc be good or large enough to produce a 48" x 22" print with > incredible detail? > > jh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SwissPace" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > > >> Are you sure the camera is digital? >>> The camera is digital, likely a DSLR.I have no information concerning the >>> focal length of the lens or the brand of the camera. >>> >>> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 4651 (20091201) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 21:36:11 2009 Received: (qmail 14833 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 20:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 20:36:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F12AE182A1 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C48E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:36:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0EBE19F485 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:36:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CC119F507 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28103 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 20:36:01 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091201-0, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] question for Dr. Battery X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 21:36:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b157e3b249621357919056 Maybe there are two sets of Duracell specs. The scuttlebutt I found on the web said Duracell was sourcing from Sanyo with Japanese made cells but also from China. What I found was only from China. However, the capacity still matched that of Eneloop at 2000 mah. Chuck Norcutt Tim Hughes wrote: > The Eneloops are generally the best that I have looked at, because > they are rated to deliver a higher current than the competition's > cells. > > EverReady has just come out with some precharged low self discharge > cells, but I have not got my hands on them or seen full data sheets. > I believe Sony has also come out with some, but again I have not seen > specs or evaluated. I have not looked at Duracell specs either. > These are credible vendors , so if somebody wants to search web for > data sheets and post urls, I will be happy to compare specs. > > Some of the Chinese generics are much lower current rated and have > higher internal resistance (voltage drops more with increase current) > and some have higher self discharge and also spec smaller # of > cycles, so not as good. Rayovac, Hybrio,Ultralife etc all seem not > as good as Eneloops. > > Remember deep discharging these cells, is exactly like doing that to > regular NiMh and it will likely greatly shorten life. Particularly > in a long string of cells where the weakest cell then gets reverse > charged and damaged by venting. > > Tim hughes > > --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > > From: Chuck Norcutt Subject: Re: [OM] > question for Dr. Battery To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 4:40 AM > > I'll second Moose's opinion on the batteries and would also recommend > a charger that handles each cell individually. I have a couple of > Maha chargers that charge 4 cells in pairs. That's better than > charging all four at once but, as some of my older NiMH batteries > aged and started to fail, I would discover that a pair would be > extremely slow to charge or never reach full charge at all. Trying > to discover the bad cell means mixing different pairs until you > narrow down on the culprit. On the other hand, given the high price > of single cell chargers and the low price of NiMH batteries it might > possibly make more sense to replace all the batteries of a given > purchase group when one gives an indication of being weak. When I > buy rechargeable batteries I mark them in groups with a ring of > colored tape to identify them as part of a group based on when they > were purchased. When I use the batteries I use all of the same > group. If I had a group of 8 that were two years old and one was > giving signs of weakness I'd have no qualms about trashing all 8 > since the other 7 are probably not far behind. > > As to low discharge NiMH I also highly recommend Sanyo Eneloop. I've > been using 8 of them for a couple years. All 8 still charge up > equally and still provide plenty of power in a flash the only gets > used maybe once every 3 to 4 months or even longer. For heavy duty > shooting I'd more likely buy the highest capacity NiMH I could find > (are they at 2700 mah now?) and charge them just before the event. > That is, if I was shooting a wedding with NiMH batteries. > Personally, I would more likely use my high voltage lead acid battery > packs for shooting a wedding. NiMH have plenty of capacity but can't > recycle a flash from a full dump in 1.5 seconds. This is like a > Quantum Turbo battery at 1/3 the price. > > > > I recently added a set of 4 Duracell low discharge NiMH to my > Eneloops. I wanted another set of Eneloops but there is no place > where I can buy them locally and I needed them in a couple of days. > A search of the web told me that Duracell low discharge NiMH were > actually rebranded Eneloops... at least the ones made in Japan. I > located some Duracell 2000 mah (same as Eneloop) at Home Depot but > they're made in China, not Japan. So I don't know what I've got > although they're working fine so far. But I've only had them for a > few months. I'll give another report in a couple of years. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Moose wrote: >> Sue Pearce wrote: >>> What's the latest on rechargable AA batteries for shoe mount >>> strobes? I went to the Thomas Dist. site and found a Maha charger >>> and "low discharge" NiMH batteries that I think I remember from a >>> previous discussion. >>> >>> But that was at least a year ago. What's the latest? >>> >> I've been very happy with the eneloops I bought and a combo of the >> charger that came with some of them and a Lacrosse Technology >> BC-700U charger. The Sanyo charger works fine, but with pairs only, >> and I use them in some devices that use one or three cells. The >> Lacrosse charger has full charge info and control individually for >> each of up to four cells. >> >> Other makers, both name and generic brands, have come out with >> similar sounding batteries. Whether they are as good as the >> eneloops, I don't know. Better, I'd bet not. I haven't kept up, >> 'cause I'm not in the market. >> >> I very seldom use flash, so I know little about how they fare in >> that use. The one time I used a set in the 540EZ for an event, they >> breezed through. They are certainly great for everything I've tried >> them in. I think that the use where they wouldn't be best is really >> heavy flash use where batteries can be fully charged the night >> before and maximum flashes per charge is needed. >> >> There, one would go with the highest capacity normal NiMh batteries >> available. I read, although I'm not sure where in my initial >> research, thta the highest capacity cells also have a fairly fast >> drop off in usable capacity with heavy use. Still, out of the >> budget for a major pro shoot, one could simply replace them >> regularly. >> >> Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 21:36:38 2009 Received: (qmail 27935 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 20:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 20:36:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFEFE1822B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:36:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CD0E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D933610006 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:36:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EE43610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:36:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:36:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17319 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 20:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.201.248) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 20:36:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4B157E42.2060009@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:36:18 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] NI vs NI [was 5D II pattern noise problem] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 21:36:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b157e5626881413256596 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > That's interesting. In reading the complaints about banding it was said that the noise removers (like NI) were fine for removing random noise but were totally ineffective for pattern noise. It seems that NI must have some special magic. :-) > I wonder if part of the differences in results with NI may be version and operator based. ;-) There is, or was, a free version, which only worked on JPEGs and only up to a limited size, and perhaps had limited features, as I recall. Then there is the issue of Auto vs. hand adjustment of settings. I would suppose a lot of users are simply using the Auto feature. That works very well for some images - and pretty poorly for others. For example, in the ISO 25,600 image I played with, Auto settings made the fabrics, particularly the apron, look very unnatural by pretty much eliminating the tonal cues to surface shape. Pull back the Low slider to 0 and the Medium to about half of the Auto setting and like magic, the apron has shape again, with little or no effect on reduction of the banded noise, which is higher frequency. Default resharpening also puts annoying halos around the lettering on the apron, so I pulled it down a lot. As I alluded to in my post to CH, sometimes NI settings that are right for shadows and/or featureless areas are poor for other areas, so I sometimes apply different settings to different areas of the image with masks. All his sounds time consuming (and painful for some), and it can be, for particular images one wants just so. However, one may save settings and recall them and by default it uses the last settings used. So working with any set of images with the same characteristics involves either loading a saved settings set or setting up the first image, then just processing the rest without intervention. A. Noiseless Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 21:42:10 2009 Received: (qmail 5448 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 20:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 20:42:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3B9E181B1 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7469E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C8719F555 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:42:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C29519F511 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:42:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24673 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 20:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.201.248) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 20:42:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4B157F96.3050205@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:41:58 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B0FAC79.2030200@blueyonder.co.uk> <4B14DE25.6090403@gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912010127q42572322xa6389cfbbe945d63@mail.gmail.com> <4B14E43F.8030709@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Hmmm, very interesting... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 21:42:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b157fa1133361744846740 Ken Norton wrote: >> Anyway, blame it all on Ornery AG. I wasn't going to do anything until he asked. :-) > > Oh, sure. Blame it on me! > > I actually liked what Moose did for it. Eeeek! > In the darkroom I would have attempted to soften the grain a bit too and the tonal recovery was similar to what I would have done with split-grade printing. The digital image as shown on the web doesn't do the original justice because of how grain accentuates and turns into golf balls when presented on-screen. But I will admit that the original has a grittiness that goes right along with the subject matter. I think it is quite appropriate. But Moose's interpretion is probably more representative of the real chemical B&W print. > I thought the original appropriate enough to the subject matter that I didn't think of messing with it until you mentioned it. I did like the enhanced back lighting effect I got, too. One could combine the two ... You should have seen the no-grain version. Not unappealing, but a very different image. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 22:01:37 2009 Received: (qmail 18293 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 21:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 21:01:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9B9E181D6 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:01:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BF3E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F823610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:01:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDF03610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:01:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22278 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 21:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.201.248) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 21:01:28 -0000 Message-ID: <4B158417.906@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:01:11 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <062B975A-CEA2-4282-94F7-98395EC6C704@frozenlight.eu> <4B0CFAE6.70908@chucknorcutt.com> <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 46: Algar and Pedreguer X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 22:01:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b158431139811234514069 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Thanks! As always, it is an honor to have one of my images deemed worthy of the Moose's time. In this case, I find your version a bit overdone, but obviously you are working off a web-sized JPEG with the limitations that this entails. > Thanks for the thanks, and I'm glad you understand the limitations. There's also a limit to the amount of time and effort I find worthwhile expending on a limited source file. I mostly mess with images like this for my own learning and amusement. I really owe a lot of gratitude to those on this list for posting so many different sorts of images and either enjoying or at least tolerating what I do to them. To the extent that I've learned to make PS, et.al. sing and dance at least a little, a great deal of the learning is due to working with images I'd never have had on my own. That said, the alternate visions of small JPEGs like this that I post are almost never meant as final statements. The limitations you mention and I typed above make that impossible. They are meant more as indicators, idea sparkers, of what is possible. I admit I get a thrill when someone gets new ideas about what is possible in their images and successfully applies them. I sometimes get frustrated when I post something meant, and I say so, to illustrate only one thing, then get posts about how other aspects aren't right. Not enough to stop me, it appears. :-) And then there's the differences in what we see on our various systems. I'm sometimes convinced that many differences of opinion about images like this would lessen or disappear if we were looking at the same monitor. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 22:10:29 2009 Received: (qmail 16607 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 21:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 21:10:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0DCE181CF for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:10:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24BD3E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E0C3610006 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:10:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316023610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:10:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.10]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:10:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2204.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B7F277000090 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:10:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (unknown [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2204.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 82FB3700008E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:10:20 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091201211020536.82FB3700008E@msfrf2204.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B158417.906@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:10:19 +0100 References: <062B975A-CEA2-4282-94F7-98395EC6C704@frozenlight.eu> <4B0CFAE6.70908@chucknorcutt.com> <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> <4B158417.906@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 46: Algar and Pedreguer X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 22:10:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b158645217675034211378 Le 1 d=E9c. 09 =E0 22:01, Moose a =E9crit : > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> Thanks! As always, it is an honor to have one of my images deemed = >> worthy of the Moose's time. In this case, I find your version a bit = >> overdone, but obviously you are working off a web-sized JPEG with = >> the limitations that this entails. >> > > Thanks for the thanks, and I'm glad you understand the limitations. > There's also a limit to the amount of time and effort I find = > worthwhile > expending on a limited source file. > > I mostly mess with images like this for my own learning and = > amusement. I > really owe a lot of gratitude to those on this list for posting so = > many > different sorts of images and either enjoying or at least tolerating > what I do to them. To the extent that I've learned to make PS, et.al. > sing and dance at least a little, a great deal of the learning is = > due to > working with images I'd never have had on my own. > > That said, the alternate visions of small JPEGs like this that I post > are almost never meant as final statements. The limitations you = > mention > and I typed above make that impossible. They are meant more as > indicators, idea sparkers, of what is possible. I admit I get a thrill > when someone gets new ideas about what is possible in their images and > successfully applies them. > > I sometimes get frustrated when I post something meant, and I say = > so, to > illustrate only one thing, then get posts about how other aspects = > aren't > right. Not enough to stop me, it appears. :-) > > And then there's the differences in what we see on our various = > systems. > I'm sometimes convinced that many differences of opinion about images > like this would lessen or disappear if we were looking at the same > monitor. :-) > Agreed If I may intrude. And as a newcomer I do appreciate your input and I wish I were as PS- = abled as you are. I prefer Nathan's photo after your delicate paw touched it, and is = what I had virtually seen when I suggested the BW conversion. Of course, I'm only speaking for meself. Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe > Moose > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 22:10:47 2009 Received: (qmail 29407 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 21:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 21:10:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7C6E18246 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:10:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE4DE24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC403610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:10:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5EF3628003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:10:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f215.google.com (mail-ew0-f215.google.com [209.85.219.215]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy7 with SMTP id 7so6224268ewy.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.110.5 with SMTP id l5mr1450526ebp.94.1259701838292; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm308185ewy.11.2009.12.01.13.10.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:10:37 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <565D60F2-CC46-4EDC-9CAC-5C53E3D33494@sfr.fr> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:10:36 +0000 Message-Id: <72B8E70C-893A-4614-AE14-AA312718F51D@threeshoes.net> References: <4B14AC5D.8050301@gmail.com> <565D60F2-CC46-4EDC-9CAC-5C53E3D33494@sfr.fr> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 22:10:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b158657102521076813867 It looks pretty good to me; but I am probably less adept at using noise red= uction systems than you, Jim. I'm on the point of buying Neat Image, purely on the basis of the UI. Nois= e Ninja looks a little clumsy to me, and I gather there is little to choose= between their respective performance. Chris On 1 Dec 2009, at 19:43, philippe.amard wrote: > Now we're getting even closer to Hopper - most excellent work Jim, = > love it > Amicalement > Philippe > = > = > Le 1 d=E9c. 09 =E0 20:02, Jim Nichols a =E9crit : > = >> Moose, >> = >> I reworked the image a couple of times using NeatImage, and this one = >> seems >> to be the best of the lot. Sorry I couldn't do more, but I'm not very >> skilled in this area. >> = >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Let+Me+Down.jpg.html > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 22:14:33 2009 Received: (qmail 9927 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 21:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 21:14:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38C8E18053 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA03E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:13:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93EE19F62A for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:13:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B9A19F649 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:13:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f215.google.com (mail-ew0-f215.google.com [209.85.219.215]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy7 with SMTP id 7so6227839ewy.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.107.8 with SMTP id z8mr6952320ebo.32.1259702023323; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm311610ewy.6.2009.12.01.13.13.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:13:42 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <6BABB43682024EDBBDB383068804D6FD@hudson> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:13:41 +0000 Message-Id: References: <062B975A-CEA2-4282-94F7-98395EC6C704@frozenlight.eu> <4B0CFAE6.70908@chucknorcutt.com> <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> <6BABB43682024EDBBDB383068804D6FD@hudson> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] out and about with my DZ 7-14 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 22:14:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b158739129752439112457 Thanks for those, John. I quite enjoy some of the distortions produced by the 7mm, although it's difficult to ignore some of the stray elements intruding at the edges. Chris On 1 Dec 2009, at 18:47, John Hudson wrote: > I was in Alberta last week with my 7-14 > > Seen here are some shots taken in Calgary looking up at tall buildings > > www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta04.html > > Seen here are some shots taken in Calgary looking down from a tall building > > www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta05.html > > Seen here are some shots taken in cloudy and snowy weather at an otherwise > very nice location. > > www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta06.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 22:25:59 2009 Received: (qmail 22079 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 21:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 21:25:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF2FE1819D for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF17CE24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE64B3610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:25:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156EA3610004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:25:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.88]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB1LPpDT013528 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:25:52 +1100 Message-Id: <200912012125.nB1LPpDT013528@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail07.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:25:51 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:25:51 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 22:25:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1589e7315571258626592 > John Hudson wrote: > > I did ask him. I could also visit his studio ......... he lives across > the > other side of town. > > He doesn't want to tell me ! > That type of artist ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 22:35:33 2009 Received: (qmail 5062 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 21:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 21:35:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2CBE181CC for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DEFE24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBED3610008 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:35:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CB53610004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:35:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7372 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 21:35:25 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091201-1, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 22:35:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b158c25165939752976205 Wow! No new camera for 11 years! Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > I will keeping using my 5D II but more careful on the exposure (avoid > under). Using NI for important images if pattern noise visible. I won't > invest on new Canyon until 5D Mark VI with good field reports. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> So, what does that mean? Back to the 5D? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> I'm only interested on using the OM Zuikos, better with a FF body so >>> Nikon >>> and Sony are not on my list, I know some OM lenses can be coverted but >>> rather expensive. >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> >>>> Will you try Nikon and Sony next? How will you use those OM Zuikos? >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 22:38:15 2009 Received: (qmail 17366 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 21:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 21:38:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BF8E18200 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC89EE24AA3 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A479B19F6DC for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:38:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC47819F6CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:38:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:38:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091201213808.EOAQ11342.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:38:08 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id Bxe71d00P4Z9Gks02xe8Fe; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:38:08 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sfuf2cAQ9z0A:10 a=ybss8LRuAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=4jTkSebpPhZos9E4z5IA:9 a=NhJDqskh52zHrqKcRBAA:7 a=_3eAGrfFBgzqeXU05AFlx9e4leEA:4 a=3zq07fkmrvEA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B156417.6050807@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:38:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles inPhotoShop? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 22:38:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b158cc7319411258626592 You are a glutton for punishment, if you are doing wet process color prints without a machine. To do good color prints, you need a well regulated process, with regularly replenished tanks, and with regular use of control strips, read and tracked with the aid of a densitometer. I can't imagine how a profile is used, except with laser printers and the like. There are a variety of printers that expose to photo paper, from mini labs to big laser printers. There were even printers that used crt's to expose the paper, and did a really good job. You cant afford one of these for just yourself. A local lab had a big printer that used real lasers. they put a lot of money in it, and discovered that they needed it to run three shifts to break even. They went broke, and a lot of us picked over the bones. I've used Adorama and got some really good prints cheap. I let them do final corrections. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus mail list" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles inPhotoShop? >I recently ordered some 6x9, 8x12 and 10x15 prints from Adorama. I > ordered from Adorama since they were offering some attractive prices. I > also noticed that they were offering profiles for the papers they use. > I was particulary interested in the Kodak Endura Luster and Silk papers. > Previously I've only ordered from Miller's Lab or Mpix who manage to > produce proper color from my sRGB files regardless of the paper. > > I downloaded all of Adorama's profiles without giving much thought to > how they are to be used. But when it came time to prepare my order I > realized I didn't know how I was supposed to use them in PhotoShop. I > have experience in using custom profiles for my own printer/paper/ink > combinations where the profile is essentially an output filter between > PhotoShop and my specific printer. I don't alter the image from what I > see on my screen but simply tell PhotoShop to manage the output to the > printer using a specific profile. > > But since I'm not outputting to a printer I suddenly realized that I > couldn't simply view in sRGB on my calibrated monitor yet somehow > magically produce a custom output form for a specific Kodak paper. > > So, how is this done? Do I need to preview the monitor image using the > output profile for the paper in question rather than my standard sRGB? > Do I need to tweak the colors I see on screen as filtered through the > paper profile until they look to my eye like the original sRGB profile? > Or do I need to generate an output file that is filtered through the > paper profile in a manner similar to generating the output data that > goes to my inkjet printer? I'm mystified and not a little startled that > I don't know how to do this. > > Anyhow, I ordered my prints from Adorama and got a good price and some > nice looking prints... except for the fact that they have a very slight > greenish cast. My wife didn't even notice the green cast so the prints > are perfectly usable but I assume that, had I used the proper paper > profile that the green cast wouldn't be there. > > ps: What's different between Miller's/Mpix and Adorama? Why doesn't > Adorama say just send us sRGB and we'll adjust the color through our > profiles based on your paper selection? > > A more ignorant the I thought > Chuck Norcutt > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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(VPS 091201-1, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 22:39:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b158d10156111073733319 A 5D as the main camera and OM Zuiko holder and an E-thing or even smaller sensor camera with articulating LCD and live view for macro work with short focal length and good DOF. (too bad about working distance though) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> So, what does that mean? Back to the 5D? >> > > I know I am threatened a thumping by Khen every time I say it, but an > original 5D or 1DsMk2 is on my shortlist of cameras. I'm just impatiently > waiting for the prices to come down into my neighborhood. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 22:41:24 2009 Received: (qmail 20110 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 21:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 21:41:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4988EE182A1 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CADDE24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADA43610005 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:40:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11ED3610004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:40:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so3930101bwz.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:40:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.13.215 with SMTP id d23mr6684344bka.18.1259703646320; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:40:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:40:46 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912011340m53ccc096vc1e8c27684d81849@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 22:41:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b158d84248081006886880 Greetings All, Have any of you had experience with Windows 7 running older software; specifically software that would run on XP but not on Vista? 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 22:41:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b158d8a313001136683642 Oh, I though you werer going to make you own prints. Bill pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Crawford" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles in PhotoShop? > Chuck, glad I could help. I got expert in this stuff, color management, > years ago when I first began using my film scanner and an epson printer. > It > was a nightmare because back then little reliable info was out there and > it > was all very obscure and hard to understand. Things are easier now, there > are some good books out there that explain this stuff in plain english, > but > I still think color management is the hardest thing about digital mage > processing. There are so many variables. Is he monitor calibrated right? > Is > the monitor even capable of proper display? Most LCDs are almost worthless > in my experience if you want exact or near-exact matching from screen to > print. Most are too bright and to make matters worse, most Calibration > systems have you use way too bright of a white point when they calibrate > your screen (should be 80cd/sq inch). My Eye-One Display said to calibrate > LCDs to 120 cd/sq in, and that is WAYYYYY to bright. I now have a > self-calibrating NEC screen that automatically sets itself to 80 for > brightness and D65 for color temp. Works perfect, but expensive. The old > CRT > screens were better, even cheap ones worked well. With LCDs the cheap ones > often are not capable of the accuracy of color needed and are too bright > even at the dimmest settings :( > > Yep, you had it right. The choice between Perceptual and Relative > Colrimetric is called the RENDERING INTENT> What it does is it controls > the > manner in which colors are converted from your editing colorspace (sRGB) > and > your output colorspace (the printer profile). Like I said some profiles > seem > to be optimized for Perceptual, some for Relative Colorimetric. Perceptual > is most common. You can't trust the instructions that come with the > profile > (if it came with any). I have gotten profiles from labs before with > instructions to use one of the rendering intents, only to find that the > opposite choice gave the best results! That's why I say to try them both. > > Oh, I forgot....when you do the conversion, there is a checkbox that says > "Use black point compensation". Make sure its checked. > > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-424-0897 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > > On 12/1/09 2:56 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > >> Thanks. I guess I had it sort of half figured out when I said: >> "Or do I need to generate an output file that is filtered through the >> paper profile in a manner similar to generating the output data that >> goes to my inkjet printer?" I just didn't know how to do it. Now I do. >> Thanks again. And I'll take your advice on having the same test print >> done multiple ways. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> Chris Crawford wrote: >>> Chick, >>> >>> Soft proofing doesn't really work well with RGB profiles, is it more >>> effective with CMYK press profiles because those presses lose a lot more >>> color range compared to what the monitor shows. When preparing files for >>> an >>> RGB printer like a Fuji Frontier or other digital minilab, or for an >>> inkjet >>> printer (injets are designed for RGB input despite using cmyk inks). >>> >>> Here's what you do: Make the image look the way you want in sRGB, then >>> convert to the printer profile you have using the 'convert to profile' >>> command. You'l probably want to do this using Perceptual rendering. Many >>> RGB >>> output profiles give bad results using Relative Colorimetric. An easy >>> test >>> is to take a file and convert it both ways and send both files to the >>> lab >>> and see which looks closer to your screen. But I am betting on >>> Perceptual. >>> >>> Save the converted file under a new name so you don't lose the original >>> sRGB >>> version. When you save, DO NOT embed the profile....Fuji Frontiers don't >>> like to see an embedded profile. Then, send the converted file to the >>> printer. Your print should be pretty close if your screen is calibrated >>> right. >>> >>> > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.88/2538 - Release Date: 12/01/09 07:59:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 22:47:36 2009 Received: (qmail 27662 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 21:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 21:47:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E55E1822D for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:47:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72FAE24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF363610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:47:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB0F3610005 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:47:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:47:28 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id nB1LlOgl002097 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:47:27 GMT Message-ID: <710DF458B5DC44A082603D6F4DDEC644@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B14AC5D.8050301@gmail.com> <565D60F2-CC46-4EDC-9CAC-5C53E3D33494@sfr.fr> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:47:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 22:47:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b158ef846259752976205 Thanks, Philippe. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- = From: "philippe.amard" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image > Now we're getting even closer to Hopper - most excellent work Jim, > love it > Amicalement > Philippe > > > Le 1 d=E9c. 09 =E0 20:02, Jim Nichols a =E9crit : > >> Moose, >> >> I reworked the image a couple of times using NeatImage, and this one >> seems >> to be the best of the lot. Sorry I couldn't do more, but I'm not very >> skilled in this area. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Let+Me+Down.jpg.html >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Moose" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image >> >> >>> Jim Nichols wrote: >>>> I find that Thanksgiving gatherings are for grownups. Children >>>> often get >>>> bored. This was just another opportunity to grab a shot of one of >>>> my >>>> great-granddaughters. >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Let+Me+Down.jpg.html >>>> >>>> Comments and critiques welcomed. >>>> >>> >>> Nice capture! Looks like nap time to me, too, but it's been some time >>> since I had to judge that. >>> >>> I suppose it's my picky eyes again. Still, I just love the super >>> fine, >>> soft texture of skin on these little ones, and the noise makes it >>> look >>> like there is dried food all over, not just in parts, sort of a baby >>> oatmeal texture. >>> >>> So - I like it a lot better with a little NR. >>> >>> >>> Moose >>> -- = >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >>> >> >> >> -- = >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 22:50:29 2009 Received: (qmail 4052 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 21:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 21:50:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47013E1822E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2233FE24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:50:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D9F19F713 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:50:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A12919F711 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:50:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18100 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 21:50:23 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 21:50:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4B158F9D.9050706@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:50:21 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091201-1, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles in PhotoShop? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 22:50:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b158fa564551946193717 I just did a test conversion and can see that it did pull the green down some. Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > Chick, > > Soft proofing doesn't really work well with RGB profiles, is it more > effective with CMYK press profiles because those presses lose a lot more > color range compared to what the monitor shows. When preparing files for an > RGB printer like a Fuji Frontier or other digital minilab, or for an inkjet > printer (injets are designed for RGB input despite using cmyk inks). > > Here's what you do: Make the image look the way you want in sRGB, then > convert to the printer profile you have using the 'convert to profile' > command. You'l probably want to do this using Perceptual rendering. Many RGB > output profiles give bad results using Relative Colorimetric. An easy test > is to take a file and convert it both ways and send both files to the lab > and see which looks closer to your screen. But I am betting on Perceptual. > > Save the converted file under a new name so you don't lose the original sRGB > version. When you save, DO NOT embed the profile....Fuji Frontiers don't > like to see an embedded profile. Then, send the converted file to the > printer. Your print should be pretty close if your screen is calibrated > right. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 22:55:44 2009 Received: (qmail 22871 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 21:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 21:55:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0BFE18244 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26650E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC39E19F728 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:55:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DDC19F71A for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:55:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:55:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21233 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 21:55:38 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091201-1, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] out and about with my DZ 7-14 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 22:55:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1590e0111281744846740 You and your 7-14 do a nice job. But it looks like Calgary could be a scary place. It looks like there must be some incredibly gigantic flies around there Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > I was in Alberta last week with my 7-14 > > Seen here are some shots taken in Calgary looking up at tall buildings > > www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta04.html > > Seen here are some shots taken in Calgary looking down from a tall building > > www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta05.html > > Seen here are some shots taken in cloudy and snowy weather at an otherwise > very nice location. > > www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta06.html > > jh > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 23:08:22 2009 Received: (qmail 371 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 22:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 22:08:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5DEE181A3 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:08:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD1AE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5773610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:08:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DB83610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:08:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:08:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30200 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 22:08:14 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 22:08:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1593CD.4020208@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:08:13 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B156417.6050807@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091201-1, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles inPhotoShop? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 23:08:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1593d6106739752976205 I always say print it just as I give it to you since I prefer to do my own color balance and sharpening. Sometimes it saves money as well. But my problem here was that I didn't know how to adjust the image for Adorama's printers and paper. Now I do thanks to Chris. Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > You are a glutton for punishment, if you are doing wet process color prints > without a machine. To do good color prints, you need a well regulated > process, with regularly replenished tanks, and with regular use of control > strips, read and tracked with the aid of a densitometer. > > I can't imagine how a profile is used, except with laser printers and the > like. There are a variety of printers that expose to photo paper, from mini > labs to big laser printers. There were even printers that used crt's to > expose the paper, and did a really good job. You cant afford one of these > for just yourself. A local lab had a big printer that used real lasers. they > put a lot of money in it, and discovered that they needed it to run three > shifts to break even. They went broke, and a lot of us picked over the > bones. > > I've used Adorama and got some really good prints cheap. I let them do final > corrections. > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > To: "Olympus mail list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:44 PM > Subject: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles > inPhotoShop? > > >> I recently ordered some 6x9, 8x12 and 10x15 prints from Adorama. I >> ordered from Adorama since they were offering some attractive prices. I >> also noticed that they were offering profiles for the papers they use. >> I was particulary interested in the Kodak Endura Luster and Silk papers. >> Previously I've only ordered from Miller's Lab or Mpix who manage to >> produce proper color from my sRGB files regardless of the paper. >> >> I downloaded all of Adorama's profiles without giving much thought to >> how they are to be used. But when it came time to prepare my order I >> realized I didn't know how I was supposed to use them in PhotoShop. I >> have experience in using custom profiles for my own printer/paper/ink >> combinations where the profile is essentially an output filter between >> PhotoShop and my specific printer. I don't alter the image from what I >> see on my screen but simply tell PhotoShop to manage the output to the >> printer using a specific profile. >> >> But since I'm not outputting to a printer I suddenly realized that I >> couldn't simply view in sRGB on my calibrated monitor yet somehow >> magically produce a custom output form for a specific Kodak paper. >> >> So, how is this done? Do I need to preview the monitor image using the >> output profile for the paper in question rather than my standard sRGB? >> Do I need to tweak the colors I see on screen as filtered through the >> paper profile until they look to my eye like the original sRGB profile? >> Or do I need to generate an output file that is filtered through the >> paper profile in a manner similar to generating the output data that >> goes to my inkjet printer? I'm mystified and not a little startled that >> I don't know how to do this. >> >> Anyhow, I ordered my prints from Adorama and got a good price and some >> nice looking prints... except for the fact that they have a very slight >> greenish cast. My wife didn't even notice the green cast so the prints >> are perfectly usable but I assume that, had I used the proper paper >> profile that the green cast wouldn't be there. >> >> ps: What's different between Miller's/Mpix and Adorama? Why doesn't >> Adorama say just send us sRGB and we'll adjust the color through our >> profiles based on your paper selection? >> >> A more ignorant the I thought >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.88/2538 - Release Date: 12/01/09 > 07:59:00 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 23:09:47 2009 Received: (qmail 28923 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 22:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 22:09:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0833E18212 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:09:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B49FE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:09:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC123610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:09:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFAA3610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:09:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31175 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 22:09:40 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 22:09:40 -0000 Message-ID: <4B159422.5030907@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:09:38 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5C10343163664311800AD343A4365739@SueHome> In-Reply-To: <5C10343163664311800AD343A4365739@SueHome> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091201-1, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles in PhotoShop? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 23:09:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15942a156761234514069 Sometimes I'm not very smart but I have been smart enough not to attempt chemical process color printing. I ain't that dumb! Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > Oh, I though you werer going to make you own prints. > > Bill pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Crawford" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles in > PhotoShop? > > >> Chuck, glad I could help. I got expert in this stuff, color management, >> years ago when I first began using my film scanner and an epson printer. >> It >> was a nightmare because back then little reliable info was out there and >> it >> was all very obscure and hard to understand. Things are easier now, there >> are some good books out there that explain this stuff in plain english, >> but >> I still think color management is the hardest thing about digital mage >> processing. There are so many variables. Is he monitor calibrated right? >> Is >> the monitor even capable of proper display? Most LCDs are almost worthless >> in my experience if you want exact or near-exact matching from screen to >> print. Most are too bright and to make matters worse, most Calibration >> systems have you use way too bright of a white point when they calibrate >> your screen (should be 80cd/sq inch). My Eye-One Display said to calibrate >> LCDs to 120 cd/sq in, and that is WAYYYYY to bright. I now have a >> self-calibrating NEC screen that automatically sets itself to 80 for >> brightness and D65 for color temp. Works perfect, but expensive. The old >> CRT >> screens were better, even cheap ones worked well. With LCDs the cheap ones >> often are not capable of the accuracy of color needed and are too bright >> even at the dimmest settings :( >> >> Yep, you had it right. The choice between Perceptual and Relative >> Colrimetric is called the RENDERING INTENT> What it does is it controls >> the >> manner in which colors are converted from your editing colorspace (sRGB) >> and >> your output colorspace (the printer profile). Like I said some profiles >> seem >> to be optimized for Perceptual, some for Relative Colorimetric. Perceptual >> is most common. You can't trust the instructions that come with the >> profile >> (if it came with any). I have gotten profiles from labs before with >> instructions to use one of the rendering intents, only to find that the >> opposite choice gave the best results! That's why I say to try them both. >> >> Oh, I forgot....when you do the conversion, there is a checkbox that says >> "Use black point compensation". Make sure its checked. >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Fine Art Photography >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> 260-424-0897 >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >> >> >> On 12/1/09 2:56 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: >> >>> Thanks. I guess I had it sort of half figured out when I said: >>> "Or do I need to generate an output file that is filtered through the >>> paper profile in a manner similar to generating the output data that >>> goes to my inkjet printer?" I just didn't know how to do it. Now I do. >>> Thanks again. And I'll take your advice on having the same test print >>> done multiple ways. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> Chris Crawford wrote: >>>> Chick, >>>> >>>> Soft proofing doesn't really work well with RGB profiles, is it more >>>> effective with CMYK press profiles because those presses lose a lot more >>>> color range compared to what the monitor shows. When preparing files for >>>> an >>>> RGB printer like a Fuji Frontier or other digital minilab, or for an >>>> inkjet >>>> printer (injets are designed for RGB input despite using cmyk inks). >>>> >>>> Here's what you do: Make the image look the way you want in sRGB, then >>>> convert to the printer profile you have using the 'convert to profile' >>>> command. You'l probably want to do this using Perceptual rendering. Many >>>> RGB >>>> output profiles give bad results using Relative Colorimetric. An easy >>>> test >>>> is to take a file and convert it both ways and send both files to the >>>> lab >>>> and see which looks closer to your screen. But I am betting on >>>> Perceptual. >>>> >>>> Save the converted file under a new name so you don't lose the original >>>> sRGB >>>> version. When you save, DO NOT embed the profile....Fuji Frontiers don't >>>> like to see an embedded profile. Then, send the converted file to the >>>> printer. Your print should be pretty close if your screen is calibrated >>>> right. >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.88/2538 - Release Date: 12/01/09 > 07:59:00 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 23:15:59 2009 Received: (qmail 9666 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 22:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 22:15:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A532AE18198 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B908CE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:15:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDB919F6FE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:15:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055BD19F76A for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:15:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2967 invoked by uid 504); 1 Dec 2009 22:15:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091201-1, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 23:15:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15959f254701234514069 Have you downloaded and run the Windows 7 Advisor? It will tell you about hardware and software that it considers might be problematic. Chuck Norcutt Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Greetings All, > Have any of you had experience with Windows 7 running older software; > specifically software that would run on XP but not on Vista? > > Thanks, > Charlie -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 23:18:46 2009 Received: (qmail 12858 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 22:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 22:18:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FE0E181B2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:18:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CAAE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F206719F74B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:18:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651F119F786 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:18:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so5184284fxm.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:18:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.130.150 with SMTP id 22mr715961hbj.59.1259705919283; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:18:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B157F96.3050205@gmail.com> References: <4B0FAC79.2030200@blueyonder.co.uk> <4B14DE25.6090403@gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912010127q42572322xa6389cfbbe945d63@mail.gmail.com> <4B14E43F.8030709@gmail.com> <4B157F96.3050205@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:18:39 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 25f0000a64bd9fe4 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Hmmm, very interesting... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 23:18:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b159646229541879814018 > > > I actually liked what Moose did for it. > Eeeek! > Hey, I've got a migraine today. I might just be in a pacifying mood.... ;) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 23:23:18 2009 Received: (qmail 399 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 22:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 22:23:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7F6E18229 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3E1E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE53B3610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:23:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBEB3610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:23:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so37898fgg.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:23:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.72 with SMTP id s8mr671156hbs.25.1259706192063; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:23:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6BABB43682024EDBBDB383068804D6FD@hudson> References: <062B975A-CEA2-4282-94F7-98395EC6C704@frozenlight.eu> <4B0CFAE6.70908@chucknorcutt.com> <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> <6BABB43682024EDBBDB383068804D6FD@hudson> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:23:11 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 29575ee62d1a637e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] out and about with my DZ 7-14 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 23:23:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b159756258576789618724 Bummer. No thongs. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 23:26:10 2009 Received: (qmail 15981 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 22:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 22:26:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167DEE182B5 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:26:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F66EE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:26:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457AB19F7A8 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:26:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF55119F7A3 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:26:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com whitelisted) Received: from cl03.gs02.gridserver.com (cl03.gs02.gridserver.com [64.13.232.12]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:26:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool-71-127-85-128.aubnin.fios.verizon.net ([71.127.85.128]:60913 helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cl03.gs02.gridserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFbAY-0005K6-KQ for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:26:04 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:26:41 -0500 From: Chris Crawford To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles in PhotoShop? Thread-Index: Acpy1VrFmQl8Nt7IEd63zgAKlchBUg== In-Reply-To: <4B158F9D.9050706@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-Authenticated-User: 24476 chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com Subject: Re: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles in PhotoShop? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 23:26:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b159802219612013633067 Don't judge it based on what you see on screen. Send the converted file to the lab for a print. The conversion will alter how the colors lok on screen but when printed will, if your screen is setup right, print closer to the unconverted file's colors. The purpose of the profile is to compensate for a printer's innaccuracies. For example a print has a grey area, totally neutral (A black and white print is a good example). All three color channels have the same value when you put the cursor over any area of the pic and see the numbers in the info palatte. The printer, however, shifts greys toward green (this is a made up example, each device is different), so converting to the machine's profile shifts the tones toward the opposite of green (magenta) to compensate. This will produce a neutral BW print, even though the converted file looked magenta on screen. So, don't judge the conversion of screen..print it and see which looks best. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-424-0897 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! On 12/1/09 4:50 PM, "Chuck Norcutt" wrote: > I just did a test conversion and can see that it did pull the green down > some. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Chris Crawford wrote: >> Chick, >> >> Soft proofing doesn't really work well with RGB profiles, is it more >> effective with CMYK press profiles because those presses lose a lot more >> color range compared to what the monitor shows. When preparing files for an >> RGB printer like a Fuji Frontier or other digital minilab, or for an inkjet >> printer (injets are designed for RGB input despite using cmyk inks). >> >> Here's what you do: Make the image look the way you want in sRGB, then >> convert to the printer profile you have using the 'convert to profile' >> command. You'l probably want to do this using Perceptual rendering. Many RGB >> output profiles give bad results using Relative Colorimetric. An easy test >> is to take a file and convert it both ways and send both files to the lab >> and see which looks closer to your screen. But I am betting on Perceptual. >> >> Save the converted file under a new name so you don't lose the original sRGB >> version. When you save, DO NOT embed the profile....Fuji Frontiers don't >> like to see an embedded profile. Then, send the converted file to the >> printer. Your print should be pretty close if your screen is calibrated >> right. >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 23:30:47 2009 Received: (qmail 20762 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 22:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 22:30:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C2AE18244 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C48E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:30:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536E03610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:30:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D367F3610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:30:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:30:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so5193759fxm.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:30:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.143.216 with SMTP id l24mr703184hba.166.1259706640632; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:30:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1564E7.1080005@ctgonline.org> References: <0FB796AF-2779-493C-949E-6237C9028399@ctgonline.org> <4B149125.3040601@gmail.com> <4B14BD9C.7060606@ctgonline.org> <9f07ac840912010301v38eb668ay14600b2970218623@mail.gmail.com> <4B1564E7.1080005@ctgonline.org> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:30:40 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ca8f36a27255e3c7 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] P&S - narrowed the list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 23:30:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b159917159553900897491 > > Too bad the Olympus digicams get such poor reviews. I would have liked > to have kept it in the family. > Compared to what? You need to establish your own requirements and allow for the fact that a camera might not be "best", but is perfectly acceptable to you. Frankly, you'll find that this year's Olympus digicams might be lackluster as compared to this year's competition, but may be better than the best from last year. There are many reasons to stick with the Olympus digicams. The image color and skintones are reason enough. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 23:38:14 2009 Received: (qmail 18682 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 22:38:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 22:38:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F41E18245 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:38:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484F2E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341D73610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:37:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF513610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:37:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f194.google.com (mail-yw0-f194.google.com [209.85.211.194]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh32 with SMTP id 32so4770914ywh.14 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:37:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.183.22 with SMTP id k22mr2915022anp.107.1259707075295; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:37:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0912011340m53ccc096vc1e8c27684d81849@mail.gmail.com> References: <14883a8b0912011340m53ccc096vc1e8c27684d81849@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:37:55 +0000 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 23:38:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b159ad6202701220213263 2009/12/1 Charles Geilfuss : > Greetings All, > =A0 Have any of you had =A0experience with Windows 7 running older softwa= re; > specifically software that would run on XP but not on Vista? No personal experience, but did you know that Windows 7 Professional and Ultimate have a facility to run applications in XP compatibility mode? That might help you out. Personally, I'm holding off as long as possible for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I'll have to install from scratch, including reinstalling all apps, which will be a bit of a pain. Secondly, and more seriously, I have a SCSI flatbed and a SCSI film scanner that I'd like to keep using. It looks like that's going to be a problem because of limited driver support for the SCSI card, and none at all if I opt for the 64-bit version over 32-bit. I could move the scanners over to another PC and keep that one running XP, but then I'd have to keep moving the Huey & monitor around to keep the monitor calibration. Unless I buy more hardware, but I'd rather spend the money on lenses. -- = Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 23:44:34 2009 Received: (qmail 21403 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 22:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 22:44:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4B4E181CD for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:44:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF856E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD81B19F7E9 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:44:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5459419F7F6 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:44:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1777 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 22:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.201.248) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 22:44:26 -0000 Message-ID: <4B159C38.8020203@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:44:08 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com><1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B14E833.3030604@gmail.com><089E4D73DC7849E5814581D922670751@MAIN> <4B151F03.7040508@chucknorcutt.com><2DFAB55884B6444FAEC5C06006F37E5C@MAIN> <4B154ED3.8040802@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 23:44:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b159c522801744846740 C.H.Ling wrote: > .... I won't invest on new Canyon until 5D Mark VI with good field reports. > You left out the smiley face after that sentence. ;-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 23:46:45 2009 Received: (qmail 10137 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 22:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 22:46:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC78E18039 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:46:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663D0E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E283610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:46:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AD53610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:46:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4258 invoked by uid 502); 1 Dec 2009 22:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.201.248) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 1 Dec 2009 22:46:38 -0000 Message-ID: <4B159CBC.5070807@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:46:20 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B14E833.3030604@gmail.com> <089E4D73DC7849E5814581D922670751@MAIN> <4B151F03.7040508@chucknorcutt.com> <2DFAB55884B6444FAEC5C06006F37E5C@MAIN> <4B154ED3.8040802@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 23:46:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b159cd566127801554290 Ken Norton wrote: > > I know I am threatened a thumping by Khen every time I say it, but an original 5D or 1DsMk2 is on my shortlist of cameras. I'm just impatiently waiting for the prices to come down into my neighborhood. > There is a reason the prices are holding up. You aren't the only one who thinks they represent a sweet spot. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 23:54:30 2009 Received: (qmail 19793 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 22:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 22:54:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A92FE1824E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A7AE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CFE1CD48A for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:54:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FE01CD487 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:54:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so5211148fxm.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:54:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.181.163 with SMTP id m35mr579811hbg.175.1259708054575; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:54:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B159CBC.5070807@gmail.com> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B14E833.3030604@gmail.com> <089E4D73DC7849E5814581D922670751@MAIN> <4B151F03.7040508@chucknorcutt.com> <2DFAB55884B6444FAEC5C06006F37E5C@MAIN> <4B154ED3.8040802@chucknorcutt.com> <4B159CBC.5070807@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:54:14 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3b8db35d241a35fa Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 23:54:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b159ea6288301234514069 > > There is a reason the prices are holding up. You aren't the only one who > thinks they represent a sweet spot. They aren't the only cameras still holding value. The E-3 is still hanging up there. I expected it to drop down like the E-1 did after a year, but nooooooo..... The 5Dmk2 does hold one feature I value highly, though. Live View rocks. I consider this to be a feature worth spending extra on, but not at the expense of some other aspects. I believe that five years from now the 5D will hold value better than the 5Dmk2. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 1 23:59:56 2009 Received: (qmail 30496 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 22:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 22:59:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAC8E181BA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:59:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A29E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:59:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F223610004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:59:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F176D3610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:59:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail107c26.carrierzone.com (mail107c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.117]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:59:48 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail107c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id nB1MxihK005372 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:59:47 GMT Message-ID: <44F420A312D04499AB43288DC119BFFF@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B14AC5D.8050301@gmail.com><565D60F2-CC46-4EDC-9CAC-5C53E3D33494@sfr.fr> <72B8E70C-893A-4614-AE14-AA312718F51D@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:59:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 1 23:59:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b159fec184164877110844 Thanks, Chris. I'm still using the free version of NI, so it is limited in = its capabilities. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image > It looks pretty good to me; but I am probably less adept at using noise = > reduction systems than you, Jim. > > I'm on the point of buying Neat Image, purely on the basis of the UI. = > Noise Ninja looks a little clumsy to me, and I gather there is little to = > choose between their respective performance. > > Chris > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 19:43, philippe.amard wrote: > >> Now we're getting even closer to Hopper - most excellent work Jim, >> love it >> Amicalement >> Philippe >> >> >> Le 1 d=E9c. 09 =E0 20:02, Jim Nichols a =E9crit : >> >>> Moose, >>> >>> I reworked the image a couple of times using NeatImage, and this one >>> seems >>> to be the best of the lot. Sorry I couldn't do more, but I'm not very >>> skilled in this area. >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Let+Me+Down.jpg.html >> > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 00:35:08 2009 Received: (qmail 18876 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 23:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 23:35:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E404E18247 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDABE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2E91CD497 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:34:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A823A1CD48E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:34:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:34:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB1NYZf7014127 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:34:35 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.bd1.673ddeff (37547) for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.153]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB028-5bcb4b15a80326a; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:34:30 -0500 Received: from webmail-m001 (webmail-m001.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.83]) by smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (v127.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB022-5bcb4b15a80326a; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:34:27 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:34:26 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 29644-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.83) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:34:26 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC40F5F4B365A7-3DC0-E7FE@webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 00:35:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15a82c315511234514069 The XP mode actually is running a virtual PC in XP (I believe a Pentium 11 32 bit?) so everything should run---then again it is Microsoft. Mike 2009/12/1 Charles Geilfuss : > Greetings All, > Have any of you had experience with Windows 7 running older software; > specifically software that would run on XP but not on Vista? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 00:44:57 2009 Received: (qmail 7578 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 23:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 23:44:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84EAE181DE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:44:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E675FE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53C41CD48A for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:44:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CDF1CD488 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:44:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so4829404ewy.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:44:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.11 with SMTP id d11mr2154874wef.187.1259711089849; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:44:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B14B510.6070208@gmail.com> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome> <2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com> <4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <4B14B510.6070208@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:44:49 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912011544p32e08272r41de8ce0cad37096@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 00:44:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15aa79152681136683642 On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Moose wrote: > Joel Wilcox wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: >> >>> Just a note to the potential buyer for 5D II (I heard similar problem on 50D >>> too). I found some pattern noise on my 5D II at low ISO so searched the net >>> and found some peoples reported similar problem. The only solution is to >>> avoid under exposure.... :-( >>> >>> http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00Rjyp >>> > > I'm fascinated at people complaining about pattern noise at ISO 25,600. > That's FIVE stops faster than the rather noisy ISO 800 of just a few > years ago! > > And it's so easy to deal with - apply NR. If that makes it too smooth > for one's taste, just add back a little un-patterned noise. > Hey, your snippy associated my name with the complaint! However, I have the same opinion as you about complaints related to high ISO noise. I hate being disagreeable about our agreements! :) Joel (bland and agreeable) W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 00:58:35 2009 Received: (qmail 30931 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2009 23:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 23:58:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE51E18228 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9529E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFD93610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:58:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDBE3610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:58:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so4683371yxe.22 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:58:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.61.3 with SMTP id j3mr11051180yba.76.1259711908406; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:58:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0912011557v515196cby2a0eceac31718b22@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0912011557v515196cby2a0eceac31718b22@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:58:28 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0912011558t343fc729h290ac21047926bf9@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] You have seen their pictures, Help if you can X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 00:58:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15adab261456789618724 Alex, whose photos I took here: http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/AlexAndJohanna/index.html was told he may have 3-6 months. That was a month ago. Now he may have one to ten days, with the estimate on the short end side. Some quick fund raising this morning amongst friends got the funeral fees + some nurse care fee taken care of (he has not been able to work for 2-3 years). However, any further donations would be appreciated. http://britgeekgrrl.livejournal.com/2287220.html The paypal address is johanna_mead @yahoo.com. You can tell her Richard sends you, if you wish. Thank you. -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 01:24:04 2009 Received: (qmail 3429 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 00:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 00:24:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA72E1829D for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082DCE240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A021CD492 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:23:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4898B1CD499 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:23:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:23:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.10]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU000G5V13UQJ92@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:23:54 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuAXADNCFUsY4MhnQmdsb2JhbACBSIhvkVIBAQEbBrwXCoQnBIVl X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,324,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="94016836" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:27:42 -0400 Message-id: <4460E531459B4D0FB9CFC8B4A8DDEE4D@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <062B975A-CEA2-4282-94F7-98395EC6C704@frozenlight.eu> <4B0CFAE6.70908@chucknorcutt.com> <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> <6BABB43682024EDBBDB383068804D6FD@hudson> <4B1590D8.4020104@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:23:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6145 Subject: Re: [OM] out and about with my DZ 7-14 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 01:24:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15b3a448421879814018 Thanks for the kind words Chuck. I think they are catchers for people who fall out of the tall buildings ! Don't want them to end up on the pedestrian mall.! Calgary a scary place .............. nah, just been voted the joint 5th most liveable city in the world by The Economist. Vancouver, BC came first [as usual]. Both cities have been our one time homes. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [OM] out and about with my DZ 7-14 > You and your 7-14 do a nice job. But it looks like Calgary could be a > scary place. It looks like there must be some incredibly gigantic flies > around there > > Chuck Norcutt > > > John Hudson wrote: >> I was in Alberta last week with my 7-14 >> >> Seen here are some shots taken in Calgary looking up at tall buildings >> >> www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta04.html >> >> Seen here are some shots taken in Calgary looking down from a tall >> building >> >> www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta05.html >> >> Seen here are some shots taken in cloudy and snowy weather at an >> otherwise >> very nice location. >> >> www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta06.html >> >> jh >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4652 (20091201) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4653 (20091201) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 01:30:40 2009 Received: (qmail 16081 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 00:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 00:30:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9DEE181AE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63238E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:30:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0191CD486 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:30:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C4E1CD493 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:30:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091202003034081.MBRV8989@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 00:30:34 +0000 Message-Id: <614F03AB-8705-47F6-BADD-CDF3877D026D@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:30:33 -0500 References: <60f983080911300414x153c4d9ar25152b09b0b477d2@mail.gmail.com> <4B13D58D.5010203@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080911300852q1a71423ej526cdf7dd0a8b4a@mail.gmail.com> <60f983080911300922p47cd1a81i17ba21f998f6f8bb@mail.gmail.com> <01A54B40-166C-49CA-A95D-5842B392B967@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Nikon Scan is dead after upgrade to Mac OS 10.6 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 01:30:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15b530137141950411718 That's interesting, Chris. I'll report tomorrow and see what the masters have to say about that. There were several Snow Leopard issues at the workshop today, but I think they got around them. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Dec 1, 2009, at 7:42 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > I'm running a DX4400 and 1290 on SL with no snags. Admittedly it's > using the Mac generic driver, GutenPrint (GIMP?), but the results > are excellent and the system virtually transparent. In short, the > generic MacOS drivers are doing a better job than the Epson software > ever did. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 01:51:55 2009 Received: (qmail 7041 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 00:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 00:51:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1EBE181DE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:51:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24775E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B661CD48A for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:51:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A6E1CD488 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:51:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:51:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30744 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 00:51:46 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 00:51:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4B15BA21.6080106@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:51:45 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091201-1, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles in PhotoShop? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 01:51:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15ba2b211961076813867 Don't worry. I do intend to print and with different rendering intents as you suggested. I was just pleased to see a small reduction in green on the converted file. Chuck Norcutt Chris Crawford wrote: > Don't judge it based on what you see on screen. Send the converted file to > the lab for a print. The conversion will alter how the colors lok on screen > but when printed will, if your screen is setup right, print closer to the > unconverted file's colors. The purpose of the profile is to compensate for a > printer's innaccuracies. For example a print has a grey area, totally > neutral (A black and white print is a good example). All three color > channels have the same value when you put the cursor over any area of the > pic and see the numbers in the info palatte. The printer, however, shifts > greys toward green (this is a made up example, each device is different), so > converting to the machine's profile shifts the tones toward the opposite of > green (magenta) to compensate. This will produce a neutral BW print, even > though the converted file looked magenta on screen. So, don't judge the > conversion of screen..print it and see which looks best. > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 02:47:17 2009 Received: (qmail 21562 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 01:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 01:47:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F24E18229 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CF9E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:47:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37651CD486 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:47:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1BC1CD48A for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:47:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:47:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB21l7GV007609 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:47:07 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <29EC111146904AAE80E08EED60FE1CA5@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com><1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B14E833.3030604@gmail.com><089E4D73DC7849E5814581D922670751@MAIN> <4B151F03.7040508@chucknorcutt.com><2DFAB55884B6444FAEC5C06006F37E5C@MAIN> <4B154ED3.8040802@chucknorcutt.com> <4B158C1B.8080107@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:46:57 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 02:47:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15c725251201413256596 No, a E-40 or E-P3 is on my list. My next two purchases will most likely be Olympus. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Wow! No new camera for 11 years! > > Chuck Norcutt > > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> I will keeping using my 5D II but more careful on the exposure (avoid >> under). Using NI for important images if pattern noise visible. I won't >> invest on new Canyon until 5D Mark VI with good field reports. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> >>> So, what does that mean? Back to the 5D? >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> C.H.Ling wrote: >>>> I'm only interested on using the OM Zuikos, better with a FF body so >>>> Nikon >>>> and Sony are not on my list, I know some OM lenses can be coverted but >>>> rather expensive. >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>>> >>>>> Will you try Nikon and Sony next? How will you use those OM Zuikos? >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 03:56:16 2009 Received: (qmail 26112 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 02:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 02:56:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB43E182A5 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B07E240CA for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:56:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3651CD488 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:56:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A791CD486 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:56:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (listadr@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-qy0-f202.google.com (mail-qy0-f202.google.com [209.85.221.202]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk40 with SMTP id 40so2436536qyk.22 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.110.135 with SMTP id n7mr3387795qap.185.1259722568491; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (pool-98-111-152-174.phlapa.east.verizon.net [98.111.152.174]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1974594qwd.16.2009.12.01.18.56.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:56:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:56:06 -0500 From: Jim Loudon To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: Organization: Not Applicable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 03:56:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15d750306061220213263 > See this photo > > http://www.novascotiaphotos.com/frmpage/00269.html > > The camera is digital, likely a DSLR.I have no information concerning the > focal length of the lens or the brand of the camera. > The EXIF data: Orientation of image: 1 File change date and time: 2009:10:29 21:23:43 Image input equipment manufacturer: Canon Image input equipment model: Canon EOS-1DS Software used: Adobe Photoshop CS4 Windows Person who created the image: Paul Nicholson Exposure time: 0.00625 F number: 16 Exposure program: 1 ISO speed rating: 100 Shutter speed: 7.32193 Aperture: 8 Exposure bias: 0 Maximum lens aperture: 3 Metering mode: 5 Flash: 0 Lens focal length: 43 Focal plane X resolution: 2886.36 Focal plane Y resolution: 2885.81 Focal plane resolution unit: 2 Custom rendered: 0 Exposure mode: 1 White balance: 0 Scene capture type: 0 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 05:10:56 2009 Received: (qmail 10557 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 04:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 04:10:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DA6E1822B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89660E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:10:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B3A1CD486 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:10:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC011CD485 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:10:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:10:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1746 invoked by uid 502); 2 Dec 2009 04:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.198.156) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 04:10:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4B15E8C2.3000704@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:10:42 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome> <2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome> <2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com> <4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com><4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com><4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN><9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <4B13F707.10905@picturepedia.org><1E3E500CC967436B85114A68C83CBC9B@MAIN> <4B1538C1.1060709@picturepedia.org> <8F27B865A9B4490593FFD3962CB886AC@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <8F27B865A9B4490593FFD3962CB886AC@MAIN> Subject: [OM] 5D I pattern noise [was 5D II pattern noise problem] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 05:10:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15e8d0214961744846740 C.H.Ling wrote: > Actually my first choice was a brand new 5D, I was hopping that the price would drop to $1500 when the 5D II available but it didn't. A brand new 5D early this year still cost $2000 in the shop while 5D II was $2500 At least one other asked about pattern noise on the 5D. And, of course, this thread made me curious. I have yet to find it at ISO 200 or below. Noise when pulling shadows way up, yes, but no pattern. The shadow noise at ISO 800 does have a clear pattern. I did a bit of testing on it. The image isn't anything much, mostly as I slightly missed the focus without quite enough DOF. Also, I know it looks better without the shadows dragged out in public - but they are the point of the exercise. 1. The whole frame at the ACR default settings. 2. The whole frame with ACR Fill Light +50. 3. A portion at full pixel, ACR default. 4. Neat Image using Auto Profile. Pretty nice job, but the slight remaining noise still shows the pattern. Probably nothing to see in a print. 5. Neat Image with some settings changes. The noise is gone, but if you look closely, like CH :-) , you will see a mottling of light and dark still showing the pattern. 6. A further setting adjustment, activating Very Low Frequency and upping the Low Frequency setting. As far as I can see, there is now no discernible pattern - at least without referring back to prior versions. However, there is another disturbance in the force. Look at the blue blob compared to the prior version. there is some subtle rearrangement or loss of larger scale detail. I don't care here, as it's an OOF highlight and softer is better. But it is something to be aware of when playing with the low freq. settings. If it's a problem, it can be masked. 7 & 8. Here's a piece of the small in-focus portion of the frame, before and after full NI treatment. As you can see, rather than any loss of detail, the resharpening has actually made it sharper. That could be set differently or the whole bright area could be masked from the NI effect. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 05:12:37 2009 Received: (qmail 14880 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 04:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 04:12:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABB4E18198 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B498E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7A11CD492 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:12:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED991CD48A for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:12:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f194.google.com (mail-yw0-f194.google.com [209.85.211.194]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh32 with SMTP id 32so5006358ywh.14 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:12:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.42.1 with SMTP id p1mr3813398ybp.15.1259727145372; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:12:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0912011558t343fc729h290ac21047926bf9@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0912011557v515196cby2a0eceac31718b22@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912011558t343fc729h290ac21047926bf9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:12:25 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0912012012q6e724e47x722118bda7cd9a1e@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] You have seen their pictures, Help if you can X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 05:12:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15e935304361136683642 Alex is gone... On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Richard Man wrote: > Alex, whose photos I took here: > http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/AlexAndJohanna/index.html > > was told he may have 3-6 months. That was a month ago. > > Now he may have one to ten days, with the estimate on the short end side. > > Some quick fund raising this morning amongst friends got the funeral > fees + some nurse care fee taken care of (he has not been able to work > for 2-3 years). > > However, any further donations would be appreciated. > http://britgeekgrrl.livejournal.com/2287220.html > > The paypal address is johanna_mead @yahoo.com. You can tell her > Richard sends you, if you wish. > > Thank you. > > -- > // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com > // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: > http://rfman.wordpress.com > // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 > -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 05:44:24 2009 Received: (qmail 7296 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 04:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 04:44:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99044E181BF for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:44:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB0EE24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B72219FAE2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:44:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DBE19FACF for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:44:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:44:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32060 invoked by uid 502); 2 Dec 2009 04:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.171.89) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 04:44:17 -0000 Message-ID: <4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:44:09 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN><4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> <0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN> Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 05:44:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15f0a8100921076813867 C.H.Ling wrote: > ... > > Just found another phenomenon, when I shot a dark frame at the same ISO and shutter speed (ISO125, 1/8s) of the problem image. The dark frame came out totally dark even I push it two stops so I can't use the dark frame subtraction method to cancel the pattern. > > The pattern noise only appear on the area that is not totally dark so it doesn't like a hardware (circuit noise) problem, may be a firmware update can really solve it? > As I think about this, I wonder if the effect is the same regardless of the resolution at which the shot is taken. A repeating pixel level pattern could result from the way adjacent pixels are merged (I assume they are merged?) for the smaller sizes, like the 5.2 MP version you posted. If so, a firmware solution may be possible. I didn't expect dark frame subtraction to help. That's a different sort of issue without any pattern. I think it was AG, earlier in this thread who suggested it could be a demosaicing artifact. I could see how that could be the case, although I don't see any meaningful difference using the three algorithms available in RawTherapee. Down at the bottom of the brightness range, the nature of linear digital coding means that there are very few different numerical values available to represent shades of brightness. Whatever the analog ability of the sensor to react to tiny differences in light, the analog voltages have to be encoded digitally. Perhaps this is some sort of quantization effect where tiny diffrences in voltage are forced into "buckets" with average values that create too much contrast between pixels. This could magnify any subtle pattern of sensor site sensitivity differences resulting from physical sensor design. If that's the source, it may require a hardware changes, perhaps to the Ato D converters. (Now that I think of it, at what point do the sensor sites start showing the effects of the number of individual light quanta that they sense?) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 05:50:33 2009 Received: (qmail 10944 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 04:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 04:50:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8694E181B1 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:50:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA92E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:50:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DB919FAE9 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:50:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A743019FADD for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:50:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:50:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5058 invoked by uid 502); 2 Dec 2009 04:50:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.171.89) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 04:50:25 -0000 Message-ID: <4B15F20D.1070100@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:50:21 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome> <2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome> <2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com> <4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com><4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com><4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN><9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <4B13F707.10905@picturepedia.org><1E3E500CC967436B85114A68C83CBC9B@MAIN> <4B1538C1.1060709@picturepedia.org> <8F27B865A9B4490593FFD3962CB886AC@MAIN> <4B154106.5030700@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: <4B154106.5030700@picturepedia.org> Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 05:50:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15f21985256107113666 SwissPace wrote: > It's a more difficult choice for me, ... I like the thought of extra pixels, live view anti dust and HD video. Mostly though I want the camera that can get the best out of my OM lenses or rather me with minimum post. > I'd really like the higher ISOs. I always seem to be taking pictures in the dark and the noise even at 25,600 is not bad and easily reduced. Live View is the other biggie for me. The techie in me would like more pixels and my aquisitor of technology likes the idea of HD video, but I'm not sure they add much practical value for me. This thread has been great, though, in conserving my financial resources. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 05:55:51 2009 Received: (qmail 4299 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 04:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 04:55:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CF7E181D6 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:55:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5DEE24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99C03610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:55:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3623610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:55:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9500 invoked by uid 502); 2 Dec 2009 04:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.171.89) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 04:55:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4B15F34C.1030806@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:55:40 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <4B13F707.10905@picturepedia.org> <1E3E500CC967436B85114A68C83CBC9B@MAIN> <4B1538C1.1060709@picturepedia.org> <8F27B865A9B4490593FFD3962CB886AC@MAIN> <4B154106.5030700@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 05:55:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15f357188964877110844 iwert bernakiewicz wrote: > Forget minimum post processing with zuikos on the 5D. Per definition I only use RAW. It is very hard (for me) to get a decent JPEG out of this camera (5D MK I). > It makes JPEGs? I don't seem to have any. No! Wait! It seems my first five test shots were RAW plus JPEG Seriously, there are people doing so. The Shoot Smarter shoot-off for skin tones was all JPEGs and the 5D beat out everything else. (I know, AG, I know.) A. Raw Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 05:58:02 2009 Received: (qmail 30707 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 04:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 04:58:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E84E18236 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CE4E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:57:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D1E3610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:57:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878613610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:57:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:57:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11221 invoked by uid 502); 2 Dec 2009 04:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.171.89) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 04:57:55 -0000 Message-ID: <4B15F3CF.7020807@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:57:51 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7ac27f4f0912011557v515196cby2a0eceac31718b22@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912011558t343fc729h290ac21047926bf9@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912012012q6e724e47x722118bda7cd9a1e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0912012012q6e724e47x722118bda7cd9a1e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] You have seen their pictures, Help if you can X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 05:58:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15f3da303061357919056 Richard Man wrote: > Alex is gone... > Sorry to hear that. It seems you formed a bond with him in a short time, so it must be painful for you. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 06:05:21 2009 Received: (qmail 13768 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 05:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 05:05:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D58E1805E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9C7E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE64319FB00 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:05:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC8F19FB04 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:05:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:05:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB255BU8003470 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:05:11 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN><4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com><0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN> <4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:04:28 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 06:05:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b15f591302884877110844 Yes, there is similar problem even at full resolution: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442.CR2 (23MB) I really have no idea how this happen as a totally dark low ISO image is very clean even boost up, at the mean time high ISO image is clean except the shadow, just like problem with low ISO image. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" > C.H.Ling wrote: >> ... >> >> Just found another phenomenon, when I shot a dark frame at the same ISO >> and shutter speed (ISO125, 1/8s) of the problem image. The dark frame >> came out totally dark even I push it two stops so I can't use the dark >> frame subtraction method to cancel the pattern. >> >> The pattern noise only appear on the area that is not totally dark so it >> doesn't like a hardware (circuit noise) problem, may be a firmware update >> can really solve it? >> > > As I think about this, I wonder if the effect is the same regardless of > the resolution at which the shot is taken. A repeating pixel level > pattern could result from the way adjacent pixels are merged (I assume > they are merged?) for the smaller sizes, like the 5.2 MP version you > posted. If so, a firmware solution may be possible. > > I didn't expect dark frame subtraction to help. That's a different sort > of issue without any pattern. > > I think it was AG, earlier in this thread who suggested it could be a > demosaicing artifact. I could see how that could be the case, although I > don't see any meaningful difference using the three algorithms available > in RawTherapee. > > Down at the bottom of the brightness range, the nature of linear digital > coding means that there are very few different numerical values > available to represent shades of brightness. > > Whatever the analog ability of the sensor to react to tiny differences > in light, the analog voltages have to be encoded digitally. Perhaps this > is some sort of quantization effect where tiny diffrences in voltage are > forced into "buckets" with average values that create too much contrast > between pixels. This could magnify any subtle pattern of sensor site > sensitivity differences resulting from physical sensor design. > > If that's the source, it may require a hardware changes, perhaps to the > Ato D converters. > > (Now that I think of it, at what point do the sensor sites start showing > the effects of the number of individual light quanta that they sense?) > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 06:55:32 2009 Received: (qmail 5152 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 05:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 05:55:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC6EE181A8 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A0EE24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6205F3610002 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:55:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D386A3610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:55:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31858 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 05:55:22 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 05:55:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:55:21 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091201-1, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 06:55:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b160154313112439112457 That's interesting. How did you come up with that? Chuck Norcutt Jim Loudon wrote: >> See this photo >> >> http://www.novascotiaphotos.com/frmpage/00269.html >> >> The camera is digital, likely a DSLR.I have no information concerning the >> focal length of the lens or the brand of the camera. >> > > The EXIF data: > > Orientation of image: 1 > File change date and time: 2009:10:29 21:23:43 > Image input equipment manufacturer: Canon > Image input equipment model: Canon EOS-1DS > Software used: Adobe Photoshop CS4 Windows > Person who created the image: Paul Nicholson > Exposure time: 0.00625 > F number: 16 > Exposure program: 1 > ISO speed rating: 100 > Shutter speed: 7.32193 > Aperture: 8 > Exposure bias: 0 > Maximum lens aperture: 3 > Metering mode: 5 > Flash: 0 > Lens focal length: 43 > Focal plane X resolution: 2886.36 > Focal plane Y resolution: 2885.81 > Focal plane resolution unit: 2 > Custom rendered: 0 > Exposure mode: 1 > White balance: 0 > Scene capture type: 0 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 07:02:06 2009 Received: (qmail 1384 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 06:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 06:02:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF82BE1822B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BF4E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C934F3610004 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:02:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F503610003 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:02:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so5047880ewy.30 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.3.140 with SMTP id 12mr6959638ebn.20.1259733718825; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm518553ewy.3.2009.12.01.22.01.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:01:57 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4B15F3CF.7020807@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:01:56 +0000 Message-Id: References: <7ac27f4f0912011557v515196cby2a0eceac31718b22@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912011558t343fc729h290ac21047926bf9@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912012012q6e724e47x722118bda7cd9a1e@mail.gmail.com> <4B15F3CF.7020807@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] You have seen their pictures, Help if you can X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 07:02:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1602de170185368819438 I'm sorry to hear that, Richard. Chris On 2 Dec 2009, at 04:57, Moose wrote: > Richard Man wrote: >> Alex is gone... >> > > Sorry to hear that. It seems you formed a bond with him in a short time, > so it must be painful for you. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 07:04:38 2009 Received: (qmail 232 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 06:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 06:04:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FA0E181B9 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF989E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B2419FB73 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:04:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE97F19FB6E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:04:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:04:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4375 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 06:04:30 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 06:04:30 -0000 Message-ID: <4B16036D.8040809@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:04:29 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome> <2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome> <2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com> <4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com><4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com><4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN><9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <4B13F707.10905@picturepedia.org><1E3E500CC967436B85114A68C83CBC9B@MAIN> <4B1538C1.1060709@picturepedia.org> <8F27B865A9B4490593FFD3962CB886AC@MAIN> <4B15E8C2.3000704@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4B15E8C2.3000704@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091201-1, 12/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D I pattern noise [was 5D II pattern noise problem] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 07:04:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b160376168081006886880 But Chuck still doesn't see any pattern Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Actually my first choice was a brand new 5D, I was hopping that the price would drop to $1500 when the 5D II available but it didn't. A brand new 5D early this year still cost $2000 in the shop while 5D II was $2500 > > At least one other asked about pattern noise on the 5D. And, of course, > this thread made me curious. I have yet to find it at ISO 200 or below. > Noise when pulling shadows way up, yes, but no pattern. > > The shadow noise at ISO 800 does have a clear pattern. I did a bit of > testing on it. The image isn't anything much, mostly as I slightly > missed the focus without quite enough DOF. Also, I know it looks better > without the shadows dragged out in public - but they are the point of > the exercise. > > > 1. The whole frame at the ACR default settings. > > 2. The whole frame with ACR Fill Light +50. > > 3. A portion at full pixel, ACR default. > > 4. Neat Image using Auto Profile. Pretty nice job, but the slight > remaining noise still shows the pattern. Probably nothing to see in a print. > > 5. Neat Image with some settings changes. The noise is gone, but if you > look closely, like CH :-) , you will see a mottling of light and dark > still showing the pattern. > > 6. A further setting adjustment, activating Very Low Frequency and > upping the Low Frequency setting. As far as I can see, there is now no > discernible pattern - at least without referring back to prior versions. > > However, there is another disturbance in the force. Look at the blue > blob compared to the prior version. there is some subtle rearrangement > or loss of larger scale detail. I don't care here, as it's an OOF > highlight and softer is better. But it is something to be aware of when > playing with the low freq. settings. If it's a problem, it can be masked. > > 7 & 8. Here's a piece of the small in-focus portion of the frame, before > and after full NI treatment. As you can see, rather than any loss of > detail, the resharpening has actually made it sharper. That could be set > differently or the whole bright area could be masked from the NI effect. > > Moose > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 07:13:23 2009 Received: (qmail 23733 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 06:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 06:13:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BEEE18246 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:13:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A2FE24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0512619FB8B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:13:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A2D19FB76 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:13:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:13:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7349 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2009 06:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.136.222) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 06:11:35 -0000 Message-Id: <1855E727-9D28-4737-9DCC-FD6EB5AA4038@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4460E531459B4D0FB9CFC8B4A8DDEE4D@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:13:13 +1100 References: <062B975A-CEA2-4282-94F7-98395EC6C704@frozenlight.eu> <4B0CFAE6.70908@chucknorcutt.com> <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> <6BABB43682024EDBBDB383068804D6FD@hudson> <4B1590D8.4020104@chucknorcutt.com> <4460E531459B4D0FB9CFC8B4A8DDEE4D@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] out and about with my DZ 7-14 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 07:13:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16058324321413256596 Melbourne comes third in both Economist and Mercer's but I think that they're too biased towards economic issues. For instance, anywhere where it snows and is wet and cold and dark for significant periods should be disqualified immediately. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/12/2009, at 11:23 AM, John Hudson wrote: > Calgary a scary place .............. nah, just been voted the joint > 5th most > liveable city in the world by The Economist. Vancouver, BC came > first [as > usual]. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 07:23:12 2009 Received: (qmail 32137 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 06:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 06:23:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F28E18212 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3F1E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:23:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF75119FB9E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:23:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41ED519FB94 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:23:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.106]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:23:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 44409 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2009 06:23:00 -0000 Message-ID: <604153.42792.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: MFw.iOcVM1nC8gIfaBP.4aDIXwH_ETRg8aJfF3zOH_pOuK_WjO9RFzmT64.4ffXYJw.5xXTfh1OwJnQ.TGgIGi6zkFsLoYKs721OETly6SpxyKyXp_AEVAd2SoniDzmMSVJXOoYD5PHnU8P.tV5tOC9hLJ_W1bH3RpBg7Vkmp6SexdvWhQno0XHbsCadexOe6eiWbqc32rtWGTpaS2apRsDMVUK7XJkZlQQobBd34quo0z4kP7BqEQiqMIDvfWZ_aU1uOQI8C73NrtoWfuE3vaRiXkT1RiyqyDh4eXtP1JNDwpmLo7A62d1fLbd3JuFKpsQ4Xvndn818SVQVeBcmGif29IVzg9GDwtPhqgdxq16RVtCbsmCci91oNMuVXZhqGSX0Qk1LI1svnSvYDqabQL.uDacV5Z1TdeeIJXA4t9IVdMV0oHblsPLIg.XkKeX8u8b4i.lRuB7D5fnUY7G45F_I0EbtoklTI8jFj3QQIddkV1Y9rpno7U_Wr4l6mv7bm4K4pcuydCdNeCE474K8dvZvpwrPCb0U3TQVvOdGFy.StbCLjvbOGOUyXmwrqoZ2pQE7zcz3GKJ3MYIqZp_F9pUgSKdTzLh6hRwIDRwtNU6wOqYQPeBNk7xQPXxf1JoxdSaPWj.BVD7xQjYBwanfyDOqN_U49RI1tXo- Received: from [99.60.231.141] by web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:23:00 PST X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:23:00 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B157E30.7060202@chucknorcutt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] question for Dr. Battery X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 07:23:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1607d0255816107113666 This website has some limited tests on various Eneloop competitors includin= g the Sony and duracell cells. = As Chuck mentioned, apparently Duracell has gone to Chinese made cells now. http://www.stefanv.com/electronics/low_self_discharge.html These tests do not compare high rate capacity, but even at these rates the = Eneloops=A0 demonstrate lower internal resistance/higher voltage as demonst= rated by the mWh being a bit higher than the competitors. = So we might guess the Eneloops would have a bigger advantage at high discha= rge rates in comparison to competitors in this group. tim Hughes --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Chuck Norcutt wrote: From: Chuck Norcutt Subject: Re: [OM] question for Dr. Battery To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 12:36 PM Maybe there are two sets of Duracell specs.=A0 The scuttlebutt I found on = the web said Duracell was sourcing from Sanyo with Japanese made cells = but also from China.=A0 What I found was only from China.=A0 However, the = capacity still matched that of Eneloop at 2000 mah. Chuck Norcutt Tim Hughes wrote: > The Eneloops are generally the best that I have looked at, because > they are rated to deliver a higher current=A0 than the competition's > cells. > = > EverReady has just come out with some precharged low self discharge > cells, but I have not got my hands on them or seen full data sheets. > I believe Sony has also come out with some, but again I have not seen > specs or evaluated.=A0=A0=A0I have not looked at Duracell specs either. > These are credible vendors , so if somebody wants to search web for > data sheets and post urls, I will be happy to compare specs. > = > Some of the Chinese generics are much lower current rated and have > higher internal resistance (voltage drops more with increase current) > and some have higher self discharge and also spec smaller # of > cycles, so not as good.=A0=A0=A0Rayovac, Hybrio,Ultralife etc all seem=A0= not > as good as Eneloops. > = > Remember deep discharging these cells, is exactly like doing that to > regular NiMh and it will likely greatly shorten life.=A0 Particularly > in a long string of cells where the weakest cell then gets reverse > charged and damaged by venting. > = > Tim hughes > = > --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > = > From: Chuck Norcutt Subject: Re: [OM] > question for Dr. Battery To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 4:40 AM > = > I'll second Moose's opinion on the batteries and would also recommend > a charger that handles each cell individually.=A0 I have a couple of > Maha chargers that charge 4 cells in pairs.=A0 That's better than > charging all four at once but, as some of my older NiMH batteries > aged and started to fail, I would discover that a pair would be > extremely slow to charge or never reach full charge at all.=A0 Trying > to discover the bad cell means mixing different pairs until you > narrow down on the culprit.=A0 On the other hand, given the high price > of single cell chargers and the low price of NiMH batteries it might > possibly make more sense to replace all the batteries of a given > purchase group when one gives an indication of being weak.=A0 When I > buy rechargeable batteries I mark them in groups with a ring of > colored tape to identify them as part of a group based on when they > were purchased.=A0 When I use the batteries I use all of the same > group. If I had a group of 8 that were two years old and one was = > giving signs of weakness I'd have no qualms about trashing all 8 > since the other 7 are probably not far behind. > = > As to low discharge NiMH I also highly recommend Sanyo Eneloop.=A0 I've >=A0 been using 8 of them for a couple years.=A0 All 8 still charge up > equally and still provide plenty of power in a flash the only gets > used maybe once every 3 to 4 months or even longer.=A0 For heavy duty > shooting I'd more likely buy the highest capacity NiMH I could find > (are they at 2700 mah now?) and charge them just before the event. > That is, if I was shooting a wedding with NiMH batteries. > Personally, I would more likely use my high voltage lead acid battery > packs for shooting a wedding. NiMH have plenty of capacity but can't > recycle a flash from a full dump in 1.5 seconds.=A0 This is like a > Quantum Turbo battery at 1/3 the price. = > > = > = > I recently added a set of 4 Duracell low discharge NiMH to my > Eneloops. I wanted another set of Eneloops but there is no place > where I can buy them locally and I needed them in a couple of days. > A search of the web told me that Duracell low discharge NiMH were > actually rebranded Eneloops... at least the ones made in Japan.=A0 I > located some Duracell 2000 mah (same as Eneloop) at Home Depot but > they're made in China, not Japan.=A0 So I don't know what I've got > although they're working fine so far.=A0 But I've only had them for a > few months.=A0 I'll give another report in a couple of years.=A0 :-) > = > Chuck Norcutt > = > = > Moose wrote: >> Sue Pearce wrote: >>> What's the latest on rechargable AA batteries for shoe mount >>> strobes? I went to the Thomas Dist. site and found a Maha charger >>> and "low discharge" NiMH batteries that I think I remember from a >>> previous discussion. >>> = >>> But that was at least a year ago. What's the latest? >>> = >> I've been very happy with the eneloops I bought and a combo of the >>=A0 charger that came with some of them and a Lacrosse Technology >> BC-700U charger. The Sanyo charger works fine, but with pairs only, >> and I use them in some devices that use one or three cells. The >> Lacrosse charger has full charge info and control individually for >> each of up to four cells. >> = >> Other makers, both name and generic brands, have come out with >> similar sounding batteries. Whether they are as good as the >> eneloops, I don't know. Better, I'd bet not. I haven't kept up, >> 'cause I'm not in the market. >> = >> I very seldom use flash, so I know little about how they fare in >> that use. The one time I used a set in the 540EZ for an event, they >> breezed through. They are certainly great for everything I've tried >> them in. I think that the use where they wouldn't be best is really >> heavy flash use where batteries can be fully charged the night >> before and maximum flashes per charge is needed. >> = >> There, one would go with the highest capacity normal NiMh batteries >>=A0 available. I read, although I'm not sure where in my initial >> research, thta the highest capacity cells also have a fairly fast >> drop off in usable capacity with heavy use. Still, out of the >> budget for a major pro shoot, one could simply replace them >> regularly. >> = >> Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 07:25:49 2009 Received: (qmail 3881 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 06:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 06:25:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C77E1822C for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:25:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566E2E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26EFB19FBA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:25:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE7319FB9E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:25:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.2]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:25:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2123.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 33B757000095; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:25:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (86.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2123.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0F0DE7000087; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:25:42 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091202062542617.0F0DE7000087@msfrf2123.sfr.fr Message-Id: <119EBC4D-8416-448A-88B5-1EBEB05BB027@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Leica Users Group , leicareflex@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:25:41 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [OM] IMG: Angels - 13 - Ted's special X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 07:25:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16086d139364877110844 Thanks for viewing, and commenting on Angel 12 aka ' Wings up, this is a hold-up! ' , as kindly suggested by a fellow Lister. Angel #13 is there: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Angels/?g2_page=3 Three shots, specially 'including the making of' , for mon Ami Ted. C&C welcome as usual. Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe . -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 07:27:57 2009 Received: (qmail 14583 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 06:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 06:27:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56198E181AE for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D3DE24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8608919FB9E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:27:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A6219FBA9 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:27:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so5726733fxm.28 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:27:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.77 with SMTP id o13mr12198hbh.176.1259735269073; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:27:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net> <5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN> <4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> <0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN> <4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 00:27:48 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4510b25044f6f470 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 07:27:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1608ed306341879814018 > > I think it was AG, earlier in this thread who suggested it could be a > demosaicing artifact. I could see how that could be the case, although I > don't see any meaningful difference using the three algorithms available > in RawTherapee. > I just tested my theory with RT on an E-1 file with no joy. Ain't no pattern noise even if I push the conversion +5 stops. My Minolta A1's pattern noise is real--caused by internal RFI issues. Suppose I need one of those nifty Canon files to try it on. :) BTW, it's amazing, but +5 stops on an E-1 file is STILL usable. Noise is there, sure, but color fidelity and tonal separation in the shadows remain decent. I'll post samples tomorrow. Whatever the analog ability of the sensor to react to tiny differences > in light, the analog voltages have to be encoded digitally. Perhaps this > is some sort of quantization effect where tiny diffrences in voltage are > forced into "buckets" with average values that create too much contrast > between pixels. This could magnify any subtle pattern of sensor site > sensitivity differences resulting from physical sensor design. > Moose, I think you are onto something here. The premise that a sensor is a totally linear device is not necessarily true. No two sensor designs see light exactly the same way and the in-camera processing is remapping the bits a little bit maybe during the A-D process or afterwards, but prior to the RAW file write. To deal with this quantization effect you are describing, there is induced noise-dithering. One thing I've noted about the E-1 files is that there is a base noise to the image that reminds me a whole lot of the dithering that we apply to digital audio. I believe that Olympus uses an aggressive dithering algorithm to mask quantization artifacts. This is why the Olympus files are "noisy" as compared to other cameras, but is also attractive. The noise that is there is actually generated to be that way. This is my theory which I cannot confirm has been confirmed. (Now that I think of it, at what point do the sensor sites start showing > the effects of the number of individual light quanta that they sense?) > Another great question. Unfortunately, these are closely held secrets of the camera companies. Just try to find out what the spectral response of a given sensor is! In the film days, spectral response curves were published for nearly every film ever made. Those geeks among us can actually look at those curves and get an idea of why one film responds differently than another to certain colors. Kodachrome doesn't look like either Ektachrome or Fujichrome Velvia, Provia or Astia. We picked and chose films for their inherent ability to see colors certain ways--even though the white-balance remained identical from one film to another. Those of us from the northwoods knew that Kodachrome turned bark gray, Ektachrome turned it blue and the Fujichromes would turn it brownish. Nothing else changed. But in the digital era, we are denied the information regarding the most basic knowledge of our imaging systems. All we, the dumb sheep customers, know is pixel count, pixel pitch and some rudimentary information about the Bayer pattern--but not too much information. Heaven forbid that we find out what the RGB sensors have their peak wavelength sensitivities at or the signal efficiency of each of the colors. Would you care to tell me what the cut frequencies are for the UV and IR filters in the 5Dmk2? As somebody who has an understanding of spectral response curves and knows a little bit on how to exploit them, this is actually important information to me. Kodak publishes some of this information, but nobody else does. Doesn't matter, I guess. As long as it passes DPReview's comparative tests, we're good. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 07:33:24 2009 Received: (qmail 21061 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 06:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 06:33:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC17CE18279 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1A9E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E3119FBC2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:33:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1C719FBB7 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:33:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB26XFbR023743 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:33:16 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN><4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com><0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:33:05 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 07:33:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b160a34115941879814018 Moose, I think you are right, it is highly possible A/D problem, I have checked with some low ISO images, there are large size "noise" at the shadow area even without boost up, what 14 bit A/D seems not doing better than the E-1, all are BS, even the 40D images look better. There has been a long time curious for me why some OOF background didn't look as smooth as they should be, it was not enough bit deep. Now there is one more thing to look for when checking out a new camera. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" > Yes, there is similar problem even at full resolution: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442.CR2 (23MB) > > I really have no idea how this happen as a totally dark low ISO image is > very clean even boost up, at the mean time high ISO image is clean except > the shadow, just like problem with low ISO image. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moose" > >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> ... >>> >>> Just found another phenomenon, when I shot a dark frame at the same ISO >>> and shutter speed (ISO125, 1/8s) of the problem image. The dark frame >>> came out totally dark even I push it two stops so I can't use the dark >>> frame subtraction method to cancel the pattern. >>> >>> The pattern noise only appear on the area that is not totally dark so it >>> doesn't like a hardware (circuit noise) problem, may be a firmware >>> update >>> can really solve it? >>> >> >> As I think about this, I wonder if the effect is the same regardless of >> the resolution at which the shot is taken. A repeating pixel level >> pattern could result from the way adjacent pixels are merged (I assume >> they are merged?) for the smaller sizes, like the 5.2 MP version you >> posted. If so, a firmware solution may be possible. >> >> I didn't expect dark frame subtraction to help. That's a different sort >> of issue without any pattern. >> >> I think it was AG, earlier in this thread who suggested it could be a >> demosaicing artifact. I could see how that could be the case, although I >> don't see any meaningful difference using the three algorithms available >> in RawTherapee. >> >> Down at the bottom of the brightness range, the nature of linear digital >> coding means that there are very few different numerical values >> available to represent shades of brightness. >> >> Whatever the analog ability of the sensor to react to tiny differences >> in light, the analog voltages have to be encoded digitally. Perhaps this >> is some sort of quantization effect where tiny diffrences in voltage are >> forced into "buckets" with average values that create too much contrast >> between pixels. This could magnify any subtle pattern of sensor site >> sensitivity differences resulting from physical sensor design. >> >> If that's the source, it may require a hardware changes, perhaps to the >> Ato D converters. >> >> (Now that I think of it, at what point do the sensor sites start showing >> the effects of the number of individual light quanta that they sense?) >> >> Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 07:43:00 2009 Received: (qmail 15133 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 06:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 06:42:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA57E18236 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:42:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03CFBE24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88BF19FBE2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:42:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE8419FBE1 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:42:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp05.register.it [81.88.48.55]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24150 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2009 06:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.44.74.14) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 06:42:48 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:42:46 +0100 Message-Id: <2D215508-569A-448A-B94A-AC010D684F01@frozenlight.eu> To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 30/11/2009: coming in to land X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 07:43:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b160c74320792439112457 Seen from the terrace at my office early Monday morning: http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#729701791_vD8hF-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 08:52:53 2009 Received: (qmail 11046 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 07:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 07:52:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1AEE181BF for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:52:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20312E24AA2 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFAB63610001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:52:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059793618001 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:52:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.147]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 26so1283339eyw.8 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.100.4 with SMTP id w4mr4282173ebn.25.1259740365409; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm565648ewy.2.2009.12.01.23.52.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:52:45 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:52:43 +0000 In-Reply-To: <2D215508-569A-448A-B94A-AC010D684F01@frozenlight.eu> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2D215508-569A-448A-B94A-AC010D684F01@frozenlight.eu> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 30/11/2009: coming in to land X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 08:52:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b161cd5229331560218263 I like the picture, Nathan. But I know that you're just trying to show us that you get to work early ... :-) Chris On 2 Dec 2009, at 06:42, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Seen from the terrace at my office early Monday morning: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#729701791_vD8hF-O-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 10:02:40 2009 Received: (qmail 23984 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 09:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 09:02:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE89E1819D for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53381E24AA2 for ; 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I am not one for cities though. As for snow we had a dumping on Monday - a surprise as I work from home on monday and it was fine when I started work, but when I got up to make a coffee at 10 it was snowing heavily, but then I like it, it makes the whisky taste better. On 02/12/2009 07:13, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Melbourne comes third in both Economist and Mercer's -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 10:37:39 2009 Received: (qmail 28248 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 09:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 09:37:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76376E1819A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:37:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A822AE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:37:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A8119DF29 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:37:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4FB19DF25 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:37:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:37:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d220-238-164-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.164.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB29bTpj007551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:37:31 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <2D215508-569A-448A-B94A-AC010D684F01@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:37:29 +1100 Message-ID: <007301ca7333$11ca2ff0$355e8fd0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcpzJHRCuw/CLEYgRBy7Cv5QXvaAbAADl5Xw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 30/11/2009: coming in to land X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 10:37:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b163563164621220213263 > > I like the picture, Nathan. But I know that you're just trying to show > us that you get to work early ... > :-) > Yeah Nathan, did you get the sunset shot from the terrace too ? ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 10:38:54 2009 Received: (qmail 27857 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 09:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 09:38:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6211E18236 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:38:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B00E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F9619DF3B for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:38:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8869F19DF3A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:38:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:38:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d220-238-164-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.164.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB29cjSc013963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:38:46 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <2D215508-569A-448A-B94A-AC010D684F01@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <2D215508-569A-448A-B94A-AC010D684F01@frozenlight.eu> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:38:44 +1100 Message-ID: <007501ca7333$3e23a450$ba6aecf0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcpzGrEJvaRbDqvkQK+kaIWZNm3SjwAGGs5A Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 30/11/2009: coming in to land X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 10:38:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1635ae7721136683642 > > Seen from the terrace at my office early Monday morning: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A- > Day/4253606_netUM#729701791_vD8hF-O-LB > Much better than the view from my office, very nice work Nathan. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 10:39:59 2009 Received: (qmail 14523 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 09:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 09:39:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585BBE181AE for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F71DE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2048419DF3C for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:39:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D25819DF34 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:39:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32008 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2009 09:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.136.222) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 09:38:08 -0000 Message-Id: <3384B562-AF4F-4A05-A679-DBC0F197778C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <2D215508-569A-448A-B94A-AC010D684F01@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:39:48 +1100 References: <2D215508-569A-448A-B94A-AC010D684F01@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 30/11/2009: coming in to land X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 10:39:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1635ef256241744846740 How awful - you have to be at work at dawn and you're under the flight path. It must be really awful! :-) Nice catch that - rule of thirds too! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 02/12/2009, at 5:42 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Seen from the terrace at my office early Monday morning: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#729701791_vD8hF-O-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 10:41:07 2009 Received: (qmail 24748 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 09:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 09:41:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAD2E18236 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F401DE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:40:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E6719DD52 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:40:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625EE19DBD8 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:40:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d220-238-164-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.164.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB29edX9009460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:40:40 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <062B975A-CEA2-4282-94F7-98395EC6C704@frozenlight.eu> <4B0CFAE6.70908@chucknorcutt.com> <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> <6BABB43682024EDBBDB383068804D6FD@hudson> <4B1590D8.4020104@chucknorcutt.com> <4460E531459B4D0FB9CFC8B4A8DDEE4D@hudson> <1855E727-9D28-4737-9DCC-FD6EB5AA4038@people.net.au> <4B162E86.6080307@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: <4B162E86.6080307@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:40:38 +1100 Message-ID: <007701ca7333$82570db0$87052910$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcpzLw4OG3gG7QpxR7uiMT9dUXb5uQABFimg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] out and about with my DZ 7-14 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 10:41:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16363218505368819438 > at 10 it was snowing heavily, but then I like it, it makes the > whisky taste better. > The rewards of working from home ! ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 10:51:32 2009 Received: (qmail 32749 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 09:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 09:51:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41725E18200 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF22E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:51:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1406219DF72 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:51:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB24919DF73 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:51:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:56074 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NFlrp-0005ZU-0c for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:51:25 -0600 Message-ID: <4B163896.4000505@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:51:18 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN><4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com><0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 10:51:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1638a436901879814018 Hi C.H.Ling, did you see this on dpreview yesterday when I wen t to check one of the two canon 5D's was missing so now I can't choose the best one if I go down that route. Which is the sensible option seeing as I put a best offer on a 35-80 not really expecting it to be accepted (though its was a fair offer - drat you AG ;-) ) and finding it being accepted. IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 10:57:17 2009 Received: (qmail 3030 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 09:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 09:57:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F7EE18198 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:57:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2615BE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:57:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100DE19DFD4 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:57:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D6C19DFAD for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:57:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:57:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:57821 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NFlxO-0006UY-P0 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:57:11 -0600 Message-ID: <4B1639F1.9040706@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:57:05 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <062B975A-CEA2-4282-94F7-98395EC6C704@frozenlight.eu> <4B0CFAE6.70908@chucknorcutt.com> <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> <6BABB43682024EDBBDB383068804D6FD@hudson> <4B1590D8.4020104@chucknorcutt.com> <4460E531459B4D0FB9CFC8B4A8DDEE4D@hudson> <1855E727-9D28-4737-9DCC-FD6EB5AA4038@people.net.au> <4B162E86.6080307@picturepedia.org> <007701ca7333$82570db0$87052910$@com.au> In-Reply-To: <007701ca7333$82570db0$87052910$@com.au> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] out and about with my DZ 7-14 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 10:57:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1639fd246421357919056 Well I could also sneak a hip flask into the office ;-), anyone who drinks more than two beers a day in switzerland is considered an alchoholic although funnily enough its perfectly ok to drink as much wine, grappa or whisky as you wish. On 02/12/2009 10:40, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> at 10 it was snowing heavily, but then I like it, it makes the >> whisky taste better. >> >> > The rewards of working from home ! > > ...Wayne > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 11:09:02 2009 Received: (qmail 12810 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 10:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 10:09:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92369E181D6 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 02:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6411CE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 02:08:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4164019E055 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 02:08:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C46119E046 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 02:08:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from maiden102.ctimail.com (maiden102-077.ctimail.com [61.93.57.77]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 02:08:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1o.ctimail.com (smtp1o [203.186.94.57]) by maiden102.ctimail.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id nB2A8lHM032429 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:08:47 +0800 Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtp1o.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB2A8kI3025714 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:08:47 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <693F2D370EC94676B6E4CEBBB9EB5CAF@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN><4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com><0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B163896.4000505@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:08:32 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 11:09:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b163cbe31671234514069 Yes, new firmware was released but it was not for my problem. It was for sRAW1 vertical banding noise. I have problem at all image size, just send question to Canon HK to see if this can be fixed. Same problem like this ISO100 RAW sample on the lower left corner: http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews_canon_eos_5d_mark_ii_3.php C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "SwissPace" > Hi C.H.Ling, > > did you see this on dpreview > > > > yesterday when I wen t to check one of the two canon 5D's was missing so > now I can't choose the best one if I go down that route. Which is the > sensible option seeing as I put a best offer on a 35-80 not really > expecting it to be accepted (though its was a fair offer - drat you AG > ;-) ) and finding it being accepted. > > IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 12:05:02 2009 Received: (qmail 5519 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 11:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 11:04:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38001E1822B for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 03:04:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E2EE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 03:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5822A3610002 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 03:04:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E871D3610001 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 03:04:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (timhughes@ieee.org whitelisted) Received: from web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.106]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 03:04:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 93133 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2009 11:04:49 -0000 Message-ID: <428820.92407.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: m5sk8BsVM1msfWVvuzJpL9Su_IFtDnA9r_xTYac_G.GF31PlSI9_xxMLvtBeH3QXgb8N7NFb.lTft.INWQU4ODNiuvm2Z7eTQNhes9QODdYEb9H.e5VeszT6YOY7z1CL0MRUI5iCMJotOQejSdmg_cXTQ2IZrMOiJt8NE5PI9t0DR8QyzV1JEagUFlS1TkuRdFVj9xjdnJUdd9kDIPkAdqP9fM.tL7KdE_rVybu1o5bw6BwesoC__qcbO4QuuxXIifO7tiSEiBZi1gAEUY4PmEB62Jf0NGskhUO3mkF_UHQMP0AK8gZdqRN3y3WndN7MMG2y0mF3SRM42K0r1XV47P9dPFwB1UMD89Nx8SXa3heLXWBXXQXPoufPcGlEykJneFjNMyoRibDyTOdf6P8fiqSHIdczSZM6FfZqLFL5sDoQWLa.fr15ezRG888sE7z_.Ug7yhBj7cde.qIk.boPRcNdWRrfzR61LEJ4ZKm1vG3zztPCMB7292IMlHKXN84GUZFc3SIBOBbArK4.V4i9Duzop_B0Bm3cE.BCXN8ndFeQ8l5axuNEJ361CpT6Dr4nzQrX02B.AEer6MDNoQ9hyliaII3vOfdhDABzPFq.DsVgSO0qWNJPuO0CpF99LtbtTe3SEuesnmyRSRBTopkkqJohaWZFk.wmIKZEa86PeMZk_6peQQLkyIsCxCMsENKmxTp4GEGODKkx0tFbR207pdLJYXhovG5aUzfgSOhKIt1rnxczyoOLDuTPY3kx82MxURvDwbg- Received: from [99.60.231.141] by web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:04:49 PST X-RocketYMMF: hi100@sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 03:04:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Hughes To: Olympus Camera Discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] question for Dr. Battery X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 12:05:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1649dd11976107113666 Here is another=A0 vendor selling LSD (low self disch) cells:=A0 AccuEvolut= ion selling "AccuLoop" cells : http://www.accupower-usa.com/User/AcculoopAP.aspx?PCID=3D1 This website is good in that it has actual spec sheets. At a quick look the= cells are not high rate cells with fairly high internal resistance. Also t= he self discharge rate is a little higher. I don't know, but this looks suspiciously like a generic LSD design,=A0 mar= keted under a=A0name similar to Eneloop, to cash in on good name recognitio= n.=A0=A0 = =A0 =A0It is instructive to compare regular NiMHcell from this vendor to their= =A0LSD cells. The Acculoop has an enormous 50% higher internal resistance t= han regular cell !=A0 = =A0 At a guess this probably means the main change to get the cell to be LSD, i= s to use thicker seperator. tim Hughes --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Tim Hughes wrote: From: Tim Hughes Subject: Re: [OM] question for Dr. Battery To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 10:23 PM This website has some limited tests on various Eneloop competitors includin= g the Sony and duracell cells. = As Chuck mentioned, apparently Duracell has gone to Chinese made cells now. http://www.stefanv.com/electronics/low_self_discharge.html These tests do not compare high rate capacity, but even at these rates the = Eneloops=A0 demonstrate lower internal resistance/higher voltage as demonst= rated by the mWh being a bit higher than the competitors. = So we might guess the Eneloops would have a bigger advantage at high discha= rge rates in comparison to competitors in this group. tim Hughes --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Chuck Norcutt wrote: From: Chuck Norcutt Subject: Re: [OM] question for Dr. Battery To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 12:36 PM Maybe there are two sets of Duracell specs.=A0 The scuttlebutt I found on = the web said Duracell was sourcing from Sanyo with Japanese made cells = but also from China.=A0 What I found was only from China.=A0 However, the = capacity still matched that of Eneloop at 2000 mah. Chuck Norcutt Tim Hughes wrote: > The Eneloops are generally the best that I have looked at, because > they are rated to deliver a higher current=A0 than the competition's > cells. > = > EverReady has just come out with some precharged low self discharge > cells, but I have not got my hands on them or seen full data sheets. > I believe Sony has also come out with some, but again I have not seen > specs or evaluated.=A0=A0=A0I have not looked at Duracell specs either. > These are credible vendors , so if somebody wants to search web for > data sheets and post urls, I will be happy to compare specs. > = > Some of the Chinese generics are much lower current rated and have > higher internal resistance (voltage drops more with increase current) > and some have higher self discharge and also spec smaller # of > cycles, so not as good.=A0=A0=A0Rayovac, Hybrio,Ultralife etc all seem=A0= not > as good as Eneloops. > = > Remember deep discharging these cells, is exactly like doing that to > regular NiMh and it will likely greatly shorten life.=A0 Particularly > in a long string of cells where the weakest cell then gets reverse > charged and damaged by venting. > = > Tim hughes > = > --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > = > From: Chuck Norcutt Subject: Re: [OM] > question for Dr. Battery To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 4:40 AM > = > I'll second Moose's opinion on the batteries and would also recommend > a charger that handles each cell individually.=A0 I have a couple of > Maha chargers that charge 4 cells in pairs.=A0 That's better than > charging all four at once but, as some of my older NiMH batteries > aged and started to fail, I would discover that a pair would be > extremely slow to charge or never reach full charge at all.=A0 Trying > to discover the bad cell means mixing different pairs until you > narrow down on the culprit.=A0 On the other hand, given the high price > of single cell chargers and the low price of NiMH batteries it might > possibly make more sense to replace all the batteries of a given > purchase group when one gives an indication of being weak.=A0 When I > buy rechargeable batteries I mark them in groups with a ring of > colored tape to identify them as part of a group based on when they > were purchased.=A0 When I use the batteries I use all of the same > group. If I had a group of 8 that were two years old and one was = > giving signs of weakness I'd have no qualms about trashing all 8 > since the other 7 are probably not far behind. > = > As to low discharge NiMH I also highly recommend Sanyo Eneloop.=A0 I've >=A0 been using 8 of them for a couple years.=A0 All 8 still charge up > equally and still provide plenty of power in a flash the only gets > used maybe once every 3 to 4 months or even longer.=A0 For heavy duty > shooting I'd more likely buy the highest capacity NiMH I could find > (are they at 2700 mah now?) and charge them just before the event. > That is, if I was shooting a wedding with NiMH batteries. > Personally, I would more likely use my high voltage lead acid battery > packs for shooting a wedding. NiMH have plenty of capacity but can't > recycle a flash from a full dump in 1.5 seconds.=A0 This is like a > Quantum Turbo battery at 1/3 the price. = > > = > = > I recently added a set of 4 Duracell low discharge NiMH to my > Eneloops. I wanted another set of Eneloops but there is no place > where I can buy them locally and I needed them in a couple of days. > A search of the web told me that Duracell low discharge NiMH were > actually rebranded Eneloops... at least the ones made in Japan.=A0 I > located some Duracell 2000 mah (same as Eneloop) at Home Depot but > they're made in China, not Japan.=A0 So I don't know what I've got > although they're working fine so far.=A0 But I've only had them for a > few months.=A0 I'll give another report in a couple of years.=A0 :-) > = > Chuck Norcutt > = > = > Moose wrote: >> Sue Pearce wrote: >>> What's the latest on rechargable AA batteries for shoe mount >>> strobes? I went to the Thomas Dist. site and found a Maha charger >>> and "low discharge" NiMH batteries that I think I remember from a >>> previous discussion. >>> = >>> But that was at least a year ago. What's the latest? >>> = >> I've been very happy with the eneloops I bought and a combo of the >>=A0 charger that came with some of them and a Lacrosse Technology >> BC-700U charger. The Sanyo charger works fine, but with pairs only, >> and I use them in some devices that use one or three cells. The >> Lacrosse charger has full charge info and control individually for >> each of up to four cells. >> = >> Other makers, both name and generic brands, have come out with >> similar sounding batteries. Whether they are as good as the >> eneloops, I don't know. Better, I'd bet not. I haven't kept up, >> 'cause I'm not in the market. >> = >> I very seldom use flash, so I know little about how they fare in >> that use. The one time I used a set in the 540EZ for an event, they >> breezed through. They are certainly great for everything I've tried >> them in. I think that the use where they wouldn't be best is really >> heavy flash use where batteries can be fully charged the night >> before and maximum flashes per charge is needed. >> = >> There, one would go with the highest capacity normal NiMh batteries >>=A0 available. I read, although I'm not sure where in my initial >> research, thta the highest capacity cells also have a fairly fast >> drop off in usable capacity with heavy use. Still, out of the >> budget for a major pro shoot, one could simply replace them >> regularly. >> = >> Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 13:32:29 2009 Received: (qmail 19749 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 12:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 12:32:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8C3E18247 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:32:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5D6E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:32:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B809F19E411 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:32:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11C719E3DB for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:32:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.4]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:32:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2117.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 460EC7000091 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:32:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (unknown [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2117.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 10FEA700008F for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:32:20 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091202123220696.10FEA700008F@msfrf2117.sfr.fr Message-Id: <503F18CA-91E8-48AB-97A1-A89BC30480BC@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1639F1.9040706@picturepedia.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:32:19 +0100 References: <062B975A-CEA2-4282-94F7-98395EC6C704@frozenlight.eu> <4B0CFAE6.70908@chucknorcutt.com> <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> <6BABB43682024EDBBDB383068804D6FD@hudson> <4B1590D8.4020104@chucknorcutt.com> <4460E531459B4D0FB9CFC8B4A8DDEE4D@hudson> <1855E727-9D28-4737-9DCC-FD6EB5AA4038@people.net.au> <4B162E86.6080307@picturepedia.org> <007701ca7333$82570db0$87052910$@com.au> <4B1639F1.9040706@picturepedia.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] WAS out and about with my DZ 7-14 - now Rivella X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 13:32:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b165e5d308673900897491 Le 2 d=E9c. 09 =E0 10:57, SwissPace a =E9crit : > its perfectly ok to drink as much wine, Petite Arvine for me please. Much better than Eichoff in any case > grappa or whisky Islay? true? > as you wish. > Ade Ph -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 13:44:21 2009 Received: (qmail 12603 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 12:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 12:44:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93BAE1819A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21937E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB3B34AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:44:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DDF34AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:44:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:26913 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NFoZ4-0003qW-2W for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:44:14 -0600 Message-ID: <4B166116.3020505@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:44:06 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN><4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com><0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B163896.4000505@picturepedia.org> <693F2D370EC94676B6E4CEBBB9EB5CAF@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <693F2D370EC94676B6E4CEBBB9EB5CAF@MAIN> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 13:44:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b166125244964877110844 My mind has been made up for me, now there are no canon 5Ds in the shop only the mark2 - I kept trying to justify it to myself for too long. >> yesterday when I wen t to check one of the two canon 5D's was missing so >> now I can't choose the best one if I go down that route. Which is the >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 13:55:26 2009 Received: (qmail 31861 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 12:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 12:55:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278BFE182A1 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B04E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:55:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4FD34AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:55:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1800A34AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:55:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12100 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 12:55:19 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 12:55:19 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1663B6.5000405@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:55:18 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN><4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com><0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B163896.4000505@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: <4B163896.4000505@picturepedia.org> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 13:55:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1663be6201076813867 I didn't read this press release closely before. Canon is only admitting to vertical banding when the camera is set to sRAW1 or sRAW2 which are reduced resolution settings of approx 10 and 5 MP. RAW full resolution of 22 MP is supposedly unaffected. This is supposedly now fixed with a firmware revision. I guess CH would disagree. Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > Hi C.H.Ling, > > did you see this on dpreview > > > > yesterday when I wen t to check one of the two canon 5D's was missing so > now I can't choose the best one if I go down that route. Which is the > sensible option seeing as I put a best offer on a 35-80 not really > expecting it to be accepted (though its was a fair offer - drat you AG > ;-) ) and finding it being accepted. > > IanW > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 14:06:01 2009 Received: (qmail 14453 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 13:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 13:05:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321A4E181D8 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5023E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:05:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25F434AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:05:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE4034AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:05:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18377 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 13:05:52 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 14:06:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b166639260425368819438 I must be blind. I didn't open this file before because my CS3 can't handle 5D MkII files. However, I decided to try an ACR conversion in my trial version of Elements which does handle it. I do see banding on the wood paneling in the background at lower far right. But to make it visible I have to increase fill light to 100 while also increasing exposure by a full stop. That's something I'd never do. Are my new eyes or monitor that bad? Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Moose, I think you are right, it is highly possible A/D problem, I have > checked with some low ISO images, there are large size "noise" at the shadow > area even without boost up, what 14 bit A/D seems not doing better than the > E-1, all are BS, even the 40D images look better. > > There has been a long time curious for me why some OOF background didn't > look as smooth as they should be, it was not enough bit deep. Now there is > one more thing to look for when checking out a new camera. > > C.H.Ling > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C.H.Ling" > >> Yes, there is similar problem even at full resolution: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442.CR2 (23MB) >> >> I really have no idea how this happen as a totally dark low ISO image is >> very clean even boost up, at the mean time high ISO image is clean except >> the shadow, just like problem with low ISO image. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Moose" >> >>> C.H.Ling wrote: >>>> ... >>>> >>>> Just found another phenomenon, when I shot a dark frame at the same ISO >>>> and shutter speed (ISO125, 1/8s) of the problem image. The dark frame >>>> came out totally dark even I push it two stops so I can't use the dark >>>> frame subtraction method to cancel the pattern. >>>> >>>> The pattern noise only appear on the area that is not totally dark so it >>>> doesn't like a hardware (circuit noise) problem, may be a firmware >>>> update >>>> can really solve it? >>>> >>> As I think about this, I wonder if the effect is the same regardless of >>> the resolution at which the shot is taken. A repeating pixel level >>> pattern could result from the way adjacent pixels are merged (I assume >>> they are merged?) for the smaller sizes, like the 5.2 MP version you >>> posted. If so, a firmware solution may be possible. >>> >>> I didn't expect dark frame subtraction to help. That's a different sort >>> of issue without any pattern. >>> >>> I think it was AG, earlier in this thread who suggested it could be a >>> demosaicing artifact. I could see how that could be the case, although I >>> don't see any meaningful difference using the three algorithms available >>> in RawTherapee. >>> >>> Down at the bottom of the brightness range, the nature of linear digital >>> coding means that there are very few different numerical values >>> available to represent shades of brightness. >>> >>> Whatever the analog ability of the sensor to react to tiny differences >>> in light, the analog voltages have to be encoded digitally. Perhaps this >>> is some sort of quantization effect where tiny diffrences in voltage are >>> forced into "buckets" with average values that create too much contrast >>> between pixels. This could magnify any subtle pattern of sensor site >>> sensitivity differences resulting from physical sensor design. >>> >>> If that's the source, it may require a hardware changes, perhaps to the >>> Ato D converters. >>> >>> (Now that I think of it, at what point do the sensor sites start showing >>> the effects of the number of individual light quanta that they sense?) >>> >>> Moose > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 14:07:33 2009 Received: (qmail 21951 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 13:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 13:07:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995ECE181BF for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BAAE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3A419E602 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:07:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B42D19E5E0 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:07:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (unknown [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:07:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 460 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:21:03 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:07:03 +0200 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 14:07:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b166695279791612113968 Brah-vo Charlie, I agree fully. P.S. I am greatly concerned about the inherent power people place in the hands of a single corporation like Google (who is by law mandated to make money for their shareholders above all other causes) in the form of willingly hosting or channeling *all* forms of information: - e-mail - documents - calendars - contact info - geographic / photographic information regarding locations - etc etc through this one company. Why do people trust Google so much? Far too much power that can affect far too many people are in the hands of one money- making machine. I truly believe that services such as web search must be via fully open-source software hosted on publicly-funded infrastructure. Google has woven themselves into society to such an extent, that their existence is almost guaranteed no matter what evil things they may choose to do. That is not right... Do we really want a world where ONE corporation owns your information, your web browser, your phone, your operating system, etc etc? Anyway, I just have a very bad feeling about all of this. On the topic of "Waves" though, for anybody who's read their information, the idea is quite a novel attempt at superseding older (but successful) forms of message-based communication, such as e- mail. On 01 Dec 2009, at 6:14 PM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Another step toward assimilation into the Borg. > > Charlie -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 14:18:14 2009 Received: (qmail 6460 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 13:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 13:18:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D948E1829D for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:18:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455C8E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2360F34AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:18:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87E034AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:18:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:18:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25031 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 13:18:08 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 14:18:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b166916228411342116753 Ok, now I can see it on this image as thin, whitish, vertical or near vertical lines. But I don't think I would have noticed it if I hadn't been primed to look for it. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Yes, new firmware was released but it was not for my problem. It was for > sRAW1 vertical banding noise. I have problem at all image size, just send > question to Canon HK to see if this can be fixed. > > Same problem like this ISO100 RAW sample on the lower left corner: > > http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews_canon_eos_5d_mark_ii_3.php > > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SwissPace" > >> Hi C.H.Ling, >> >> did you see this on dpreview >> >> >> >> yesterday when I wen t to check one of the two canon 5D's was missing so >> now I can't choose the best one if I go down that route. Which is the >> sensible option seeing as I put a best offer on a 35-80 not really >> expecting it to be accepted (though its was a fair offer - drat you AG >> ;-) ) and finding it being accepted. >> >> IanW > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 14:23:08 2009 Received: (qmail 27105 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 13:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 13:23:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7477DE182A5 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21986E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1313219E677 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:23:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57ECA19E674 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:23:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27707 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 13:23:01 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 13:23:01 -0000 Message-ID: <4B166A34.9090903@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:23:00 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2D215508-569A-448A-B94A-AC010D684F01@frozenlight.eu> <3384B562-AF4F-4A05-A679-DBC0F197778C@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <3384B562-AF4F-4A05-A679-DBC0F197778C@people.net.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 30/11/2009: coming in to land X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 14:23:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b166a3c113995034211378 I liked it too but my first thought was to move the plane to the left side such that it was entering rather than leaving the picture. Don't know why. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > How awful - you have to be at work at dawn and you're under the flight > path. It must be really awful! :-) > Nice catch that - rule of thirds too! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 02/12/2009, at 5:42 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> Seen from the terrace at my office early Monday morning: >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#729701791_vD8hF-O-LB > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 14:24:41 2009 Received: (qmail 16394 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 13:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 13:24:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26523E1824E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1743E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99E234AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:24:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075AD34AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:24:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:24:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.20]) by mta05.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU100AN818S4P90@mta05.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:24:28 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlkTAEj5FUsY4MhnQmdsb2JhbACBSIhvkVABAQEbBrsoCoIrgXwEggGDZQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,328,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="641888048" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:28:17 -0400 Message-id: <6E4A012F9CC84962A38EA16D430207B5@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:24:27 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6147 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 14:24:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b166a99253391073733319 Which jurisdiction passed the law in question and, incidentally, what precisely is the law in question? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawid Loubser" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave > Brah-vo Charlie, I agree fully. > > P.S. I am greatly concerned about the inherent power people place in > the hands of > a single corporation like Google (who is by law mandated to make money > for their shareholders > above all other causes) in the form of willingly hosting or channeling > *all* forms > of information: > > - e-mail > - documents > - calendars > - contact info > - geographic / photographic information regarding locations > - etc etc > > through this one company. Why do people trust Google so much? Far too > much power > that can affect far too many people are in the hands of one money- > making machine. > > I truly believe that services such as web search must be via fully > open-source > software hosted on publicly-funded infrastructure. Google has woven > themselves > into society to such an extent, that their existence is almost > guaranteed no matter > what evil things they may choose to do. > > That is not right... Do we really want a world where ONE corporation > owns your information, > your web browser, your phone, your operating system, etc etc? > > Anyway, I just have a very bad feeling about all of this. On the topic > of "Waves" though, > for anybody who's read their information, the idea is quite a novel > attempt at superseding > older (but successful) forms of message-based communication, such as e- > mail. > > > On 01 Dec 2009, at 6:14 PM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > >> Another step toward assimilation into the Borg. >> >> Charlie > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4654 (20091202) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4654 (20091202) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 14:27:51 2009 Received: (qmail 21047 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 13:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 13:27:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B6BE18247 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E2DE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776E819E6C0 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:27:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3433019E6E0 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:27:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:37148 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NFpFB-0003sf-J2 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:27:45 -0600 Message-ID: <4B166B4B.2000607@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:27:39 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 14:27:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b166b5791001076813867 whilst I agree, I also feel I should check it out so I am. I hardly ever use google search or my gmail account now. > Brah-vo Charlie, I agree fully. > > >> Another step toward assimilation into the Borg. >> >> Charlie >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 14:43:20 2009 Received: (qmail 14764 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 13:43:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 13:43:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA593E1819A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FE0E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:43:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E6C34AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:43:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A18134AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:43:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB2Dh9WJ011382 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:43:10 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <6E0E8E440DCC4A17B0137DF439A0FCCE@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN><4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com><0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B166630.3070400@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:42:56 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 14:43:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b166ef8212936107113666 Why your guys don't use the free software came with your Canyon camera? CS has BIG PROBLEM in rendering at least the 5D II files, see here a test image that undered 4 stops: Converted with DPP +2 stops: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7217_DPP.JPG (142KB) Converted with CS4 +2 stops: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7217_CS4.jpg (174KB) both W/B on the "White" color. See the serious color shift in CS4 converted one, not to mention the different in exposure. Try it out yourself if you are interested, may be I have missed something: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7217.CR2 (6.8MB) Back to the noise issue, here are two crops from DPP, one normal exposure and the other +1 stop in DPP. http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442.JPG http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442+1.JPG There are visible noise even with the non boost one, remember this is an ISO100 image, just hard to accept! C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" >I must be blind. I didn't open this file before because my CS3 can't > handle 5D MkII files. However, I decided to try an ACR conversion in my > trial version of Elements which does handle it. I do see banding on the > wood paneling in the background at lower far right. But to make it > visible I have to increase fill light to 100 while also increasing > exposure by a full stop. That's something I'd never do. Are my new > eyes or monitor that bad? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Moose, I think you are right, it is highly possible A/D problem, I have >> checked with some low ISO images, there are large size "noise" at the >> shadow >> area even without boost up, what 14 bit A/D seems not doing better than >> the >> E-1, all are BS, even the 40D images look better. >> >> There has been a long time curious for me why some OOF background didn't >> look as smooth as they should be, it was not enough bit deep. Now there >> is >> one more thing to look for when checking out a new camera. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "C.H.Ling" >> >>> Yes, there is similar problem even at full resolution: >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442.CR2 (23MB) >>> >>> I really have no idea how this happen as a totally dark low ISO image is >>> very clean even boost up, at the mean time high ISO image is clean >>> except >>> the shadow, just like problem with low ISO image. >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 14:51:22 2009 Received: (qmail 30490 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 13:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 13:51:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555B0E18199 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:51:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2D5E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:51:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F64A19E7CB for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:51:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D41319E7B8 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:51:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB2DpA9t013045 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:51:10 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <2FCD3602A6B747229D7D8A8385D58A34@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><1B2F1116E46C4D9FA0B02A8622E5E1E4@SueHome><2BC3E03233BD4142B36C7684432C507E@SueHome><2A7CBD75-5C9C-4C69-8989-5FBF566A38EE@roadrunner.com><4B0CCD06.80003@gmail.com> <4B0DFB1A.9070800@verizon.net><4B13B374.6040802@gmail.com> <4B13EBBF.9020102@verizon.net><5D0A3964E9C54C7380BD0CEF48D31AE3@MAIN> <9e908c1f0911300829q3d764a61gcfeae6486b12c58e@mail.gmail.com> <1B13478B0AEF4EDF82569857142AFA6C@MAIN><4B14A6EE.8030804@gmail.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com><0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B163896.4000505@picturepedia.org><693F2D370EC94676B6E4CEBBB9EB5CAF@MAIN> <4B166116.3020505@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:51:02 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 14:51:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1670da162131560218263 I hope you are more lucky next time, I'm sure I will not purchase the 5D II if I had know that problem. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "SwissPace" > My mind has been made up for me, now there are no canon 5Ds in the shop > only the mark2 - I kept trying to justify it to myself for too long. >>> yesterday when I wen t to check one of the two canon 5D's was missing so >>> now I can't choose the best one if I go down that route. Which is the >>> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 15:06:05 2009 Received: (qmail 18186 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 14:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 14:06:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1A4E182A6 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:06:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1601AE240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:06:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F317B19E854 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:06:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA8419E850 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:06:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f194.google.com (mail-yw0-f194.google.com [209.85.211.194]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:06:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh32 with SMTP id 32so170353ywh.14 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:05:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.172.1 with SMTP id z1mr24252ano.8.1259762759635; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:05:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2FCD3602A6B747229D7D8A8385D58A34@MAIN> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> <0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN> <4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B163896.4000505@picturepedia.org> <693F2D370EC94676B6E4CEBBB9EB5CAF@MAIN> <4B166116.3020505@picturepedia.org> <2FCD3602A6B747229D7D8A8385D58A34@MAIN> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:05:59 +0000 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 15:06:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16744d150681234514069 I've got to chime in on this eventually I suppose... I got one knowing you had this problem. I liked it so much that eventually I got another. I can find various kinds of noise in all sorts of places if I look for it, but printing images shot up to iso3200 at sizes up to 18inches (haven't tried bigger) I just get beautiful prints. Better than anything I've had before. I rarely raise exposure though; my most usual workflow involves shooting aperture priority with -2/3 compensation, and then importing files to lightroom with a standard setting of zero black point, 30 fill light, -10 saturation and a moderate s-curve. Usually all that's needed then is to set the black point and make some local dodging/burning type adjustments which usually allow me to REDUCE the overall exposure. I only have to increase it if I really messed up the exposure and didn't notice at the time. So... From my practical point of view it's close to perfect. I'm not trying to argue with anyone here - just posting my own experience. Tom 2009/12/2 C.H.Ling I hope you are more lucky next time, I'm sure I will not purchase the 5D II > if I had know that problem. > > C.H.Ling > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 15:10:30 2009 Received: (qmail 11495 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 14:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 14:10:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35259E18214 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A1DE240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:10:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA85719E8A0 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:10:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D25C19E793 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:10:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (listadr@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.145]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so31239qwc.26 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.69.229 with SMTP id a37mr85934qaj.90.1259763019627; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (pool-98-111-152-174.phlapa.east.verizon.net [98.111.152.174]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm3274195qwa.0.2009.12.02.06.10.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:10:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:10:14 -0500 From: Jim Loudon To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> Message-ID: References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> Organization: Not Applicable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 15:10:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16755672961413256596 Sorry for the late reply, but I'm a digest subscriber... In answer to the question, how did I extract EXIF data from the subject image, it's pretty simple: my web browser, Opera 10, shows EXIF data (if present) as part of the image properties display. Right-click on the image and it's all there. Firefox and IE users (and probably Safari as well) are limited to seeing pixel dimensions and file size, I believe (I don't use those browsers frequently enough to really know). Opera has been capable of displaying EXIF data within images been for several years now. To answer to another question, EXIF data is present in web images more frequently than one might suspect. Some image editors preserve the EXIF data of the original image capture as the default. jim -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 15:22:34 2009 Received: (qmail 6800 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 14:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 14:22:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BE5E181CD for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50666E240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3065A34AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:22:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF2E34AC02A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:22:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.150]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:22:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so61182eyb.8 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.98.140 with SMTP id q12mr1512045ebn.1.1259763743788; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm762478ewy.11.2009.12.02.06.22.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:22:23 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:22:21 +0000 Message-Id: <0D7E1FDB-918D-41EF-A18B-975257D1FF90@threeshoes.net> References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 15:22:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16782a236711946193717 You might be right, Dawid, in your wariness, but a successful organisation has to be big to survive or it will be taken over by a larger one. Just look at what Microsoft does when it needs a new bit of software ... But I don't agree that a corporation is required by law to make money for its shareholders; it must be successful to retain shareholders and profit normally contributes to that success. But a company must have several facets to its operation to be successful and one of those will be its care for the client or customer. I use Google for Gmail and Apps. My 2 domains have email going through Google and it is very effective, being IMAP rather than POP. Wave is in its infancy so we shall have to wait and see. Does your final paragraph mean that you would like an invitation? Chris On 2 Dec 2009, at 13:07, Dawid Loubser wrote: > P.S. I am greatly concerned about the inherent power people place in > the hands of > a single corporation like Google (who is by law mandated to make money > for their shareholders > above all other causes) in the form of willingly hosting or channeling > *all* forms > of information: > > - e-mail > - documents > - calendars > - contact info > - geographic / photographic information regarding locations > - etc etc > > through this one company. Why do people trust Google so much? Far too > much power > that can affect far too many people are in the hands of one money- > making machine. > > I truly believe that services such as web search must be via fully > open-source > software hosted on publicly-funded infrastructure. Google has woven > themselves > into society to such an extent, that their existence is almost > guaranteed no matter > what evil things they may choose to do. > > That is not right... Do we really want a world where ONE corporation > owns your information, > your web browser, your phone, your operating system, etc etc? > > Anyway, I just have a very bad feeling about all of this. On the topic > of "Waves" though, > for anybody who's read their information, the idea is quite a novel > attempt at superseding > older (but successful) forms of message-based communication, such as e- > mail. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 15:33:49 2009 Received: (qmail 6320 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 14:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 14:33:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61727E18244 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:33:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BE7E240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:33:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046D119E956 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:33:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCCC19E964 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:33:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:33:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.52]) by mta04.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU10047E4F1VLD0@mta04.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:33:01 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlkTAPIIFksY4MhnQmdsb2JhbACBSIhvkVABAQEbBrs1CoQnBIVm X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,328,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="629495705" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:36:48 -0400 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:32:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6147 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 15:33:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b167acd247151612113968 So, assuming the camera is the Mark 3 version it will have a 21.1 Mpix sensor or so it states here: http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/eos1dsm3/html/01.html delivering 5616 x 3744 pixels If the print is 48" wide does this imply that the print resolution on the long side is 5616 / 48 pixels per inch = 117 ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Loudon" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > > Sorry for the late reply, but I'm a digest subscriber... > > In answer to the question, how did I extract EXIF data from the subject > image, it's pretty simple: my web browser, Opera 10, shows EXIF data (if > present) as part of the image properties display. Right-click on the image > and it's all there. Firefox and IE users (and probably Safari as well) are > limited to seeing pixel dimensions and file size, I believe (I don't use > those browsers frequently enough to really know). Opera has been capable > of displaying EXIF data within images been for several years now. > > To answer to another question, EXIF data is present in web images more > frequently than one might suspect. Some image editors preserve the EXIF > data of the original image capture as the default. > > jim > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4654 (20091202) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4654 (20091202) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 15:48:46 2009 Received: (qmail 21346 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 14:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 14:48:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C83FE181A3 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92485E240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:48:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A59A34AC028 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:48:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8206734AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:48:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so236968bwz.30 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:48:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.17 with SMTP id t17mr209039bkb.142.1259765318315; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:48:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0912012012q6e724e47x722118bda7cd9a1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0912011557v515196cby2a0eceac31718b22@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912011558t343fc729h290ac21047926bf9@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912012012q6e724e47x722118bda7cd9a1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:48:38 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912020648q4e0bbf2ib678028e358ffd68@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] You have seen their pictures, Help if you can X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 15:48:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b167e4e66661879814018 My sincerest condolences Richard. Thank you for sharing his photos. Charlie On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Richard Man wrote: > Alex is gone... > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Richard Man > wrote: > > Alex, whose photos I took here: > > http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/AlexAndJohanna/index.html > > > > was told he may have 3-6 months. That was a month ago. > > > > Now he may have one to ten days, with the estimate on the short end side. > > > > Some quick fund raising this morning amongst friends got the funeral > > fees + some nurse care fee taken care of (he has not been able to work > > for 2-3 years). > > > > However, any further donations would be appreciated. > > http://britgeekgrrl.livejournal.com/2287220.html > > > > The paypal address is johanna_mead @yahoo.com. You can tell her > > Richard sends you, if you wish. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com > > // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: > > http://rfman.wordpress.com > > // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 > > > > > > -- > // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com > // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: > http://rfman.wordpress.com > // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 15:51:29 2009 Received: (qmail 16694 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 14:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 14:51:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4454E18065 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8EAE240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F3D19EA38 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:51:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E230D19EA37 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:51:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:51:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB2EpL65025516 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:51:21 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <4AD075C33267464397DEC7BB97CFD985@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com><0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN> <4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com><1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN><4B163896.4000505@picturepedia.org><693F2D370EC94676B6E4CEBBB9EB5CAF@MAIN><4B166116.3020505@picturepedia.org><2FCD3602A6B747229D7D8A8385D58A34@MAIN> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:51:13 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 15:51:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b167ef1161616789618724 I'm sure there are still thousands of people very happy with the 5D II, it depends on how they use the camera and their acceptance standard. If one don't boost exposure in post processing then it should be fine. With this noise problem you are limited when playing with HDR. For example shooting to the sun, one may shot at -3 stops to retain the details of the sun and then push the shadow during post processing so you can mix a normal developed image with a boosted one to make a better one. To ensure lower noise you need low ISO and this require NR to remove the pattern noise due to this problem and low contrast details could be lost in the process. In most cases if you print the image the shadow noise is not easy visible as paper has much narrow D-range, shadow and highlight are usually sacrificed for a good mid-tone. To me, if I pay that money I need something better, such problem was not on my 40D, I don't expect it on a 5D II. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fenwick" > I've got to chime in on this eventually I suppose... > > I got one knowing you had this problem. I liked it so much that > eventually > I got another. I can find various kinds of noise in all sorts of places > if > I look for it, but printing images shot up to iso3200 at sizes up to > 18inches (haven't tried bigger) I just get beautiful prints. Better than > anything I've had before. > > I rarely raise exposure though; my most usual workflow involves shooting > aperture priority with -2/3 compensation, and then importing files to > lightroom with a standard setting of zero black point, 30 fill light, -10 > saturation and a moderate s-curve. Usually all that's needed then is to > set > the black point and make some local dodging/burning type adjustments which > usually allow me to REDUCE the overall exposure. I only have to increase > it > if I really messed up the exposure and didn't notice at the time. > > So... From my practical point of view it's close to perfect. > > I'm not trying to argue with anyone here - just posting my own experience. > > Tom > > 2009/12/2 C.H.Ling > > I hope you are more lucky next time, I'm sure I will not purchase the 5D > II >> if I had know that problem. >> >> C.H.Ling -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 15:58:34 2009 Received: (qmail 8583 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 14:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 14:58:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C41E1824D for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:58:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99DEE240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D095334AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:58:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E73134AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:58:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB2EwO7m027129 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:58:24 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:58:16 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 15:58:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16809a30345368819438 Sorry, if EXIF shown it was an EOS-1DS it is the first 11MP version. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" > So, assuming the camera is the Mark 3 version it will have a 21.1 Mpix > sensor or so it states here: > > http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/eos1dsm3/html/01.html > > delivering 5616 x 3744 pixels > > If the print is 48" wide does this imply that the print resolution on the > long side is 5616 / 48 pixels per inch = 117 ? > > jh > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Loudon" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > > >> >> Sorry for the late reply, but I'm a digest subscriber... >> >> In answer to the question, how did I extract EXIF data from the subject >> image, it's pretty simple: my web browser, Opera 10, shows EXIF data (if >> present) as part of the image properties display. Right-click on the >> image >> and it's all there. Firefox and IE users (and probably Safari as well) >> are >> limited to seeing pixel dimensions and file size, I believe (I don't use >> those browsers frequently enough to really know). Opera has been capable >> of displaying EXIF data within images been for several years now. >> >> To answer to another question, EXIF data is present in web images more >> frequently than one might suspect. Some image editors preserve the EXIF >> data of the original image capture as the default. >> >> jim -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 16:02:49 2009 Received: (qmail 5807 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 15:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 15:02:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD78E18198 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:02:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F33E240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D591CD48E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:02:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0971CD493 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:02:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:02:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.36]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU1009EQ5SH4QE0@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:02:41 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlkTALMQFksY4MhnQmdsb2JhbACBSIhvkVABAQEbBrs1CoQnBIVm X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,328,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="492758060" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:06:30 -0400 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:02:40 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6147 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 16:02:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b168199273231073733319 Is an 11 Mpix sensor big enough with make a 48" wide image with more than enough fine detail to withstand careful up close scrutiny ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > Sorry, if EXIF shown it was an EOS-1DS it is the first 11MP version. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hudson" > >> So, assuming the camera is the Mark 3 version it will have a 21.1 Mpix >> sensor or so it states here: >> >> http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/eos1dsm3/html/01.html >> >> delivering 5616 x 3744 pixels >> >> If the print is 48" wide does this imply that the print resolution on the >> long side is 5616 / 48 pixels per inch = 117 ? >> >> jh >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Loudon" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? >> >> >>> >>> Sorry for the late reply, but I'm a digest subscriber... >>> >>> In answer to the question, how did I extract EXIF data from the subject >>> image, it's pretty simple: my web browser, Opera 10, shows EXIF data (if >>> present) as part of the image properties display. Right-click on the >>> image >>> and it's all there. Firefox and IE users (and probably Safari as well) >>> are >>> limited to seeing pixel dimensions and file size, I believe (I don't use >>> those browsers frequently enough to really know). Opera has been capable >>> of displaying EXIF data within images been for several years now. >>> >>> To answer to another question, EXIF data is present in web images more >>> frequently than one might suspect. Some image editors preserve the EXIF >>> data of the original image capture as the default. >>> >>> jim > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4654 (20091202) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4654 (20091202) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 16:17:23 2009 Received: (qmail 8950 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 15:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 15:17:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D303EE181A8 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:17:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E35E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDB934AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:17:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C27834AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:17:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so267822bwz.30 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:17:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.17 with SMTP id t17mr249601bkb.142.1259767036725; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:17:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <14883a8b0912011340m53ccc096vc1e8c27684d81849@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:17:16 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912020717h26a1c958h51d04ead73ef4b12@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 16:17:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16850388531560218263 Thanks for the advice guys. I purchased a new Compaq laptop a few months ago when all the local stores were slashing prices in anticipation of the release of Windows 7. It came with Vista but with a free upgrade to Windows 7. I did the installation last night and it went smoothly. They supply two DVD's; one of which is the Windows 7 Advisor and the other the OS disk. The install took about 3 hours but went without a hitch. Advisor recommended that I uninstall some HP games and recommended a new keyboard filter (latest Compaq driver fixed that issue). The version I have is the 32 bit Home Premium, so no XP compatability mode. I've been reading however that 7 has fewer problems with older software. In their efforts to make sure that everything compatable with Vista would work with 7 they inadvertently made it more compatable with programs that wouldn't work with Vista. So far they have identified about 1200 programs that will run on 7 but not on Vista. Sounds like someone at Microsoft screwed up big time. ;^) Tonight I will try installing PSE 4.0 and an XP compatable version of Family Tree Maker. Neither of these would install on Vista so maybe I'll get lucky. Charlie On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Ian Nichols wrote: > 2009/12/1 Charles Geilfuss : > > Greetings All, > > Have any of you had experience with Windows 7 running older software; > > specifically software that would run on XP but not on Vista? > > No personal experience, but did you know that Windows 7 Professional > and Ultimate have a facility to run applications in XP compatibility > mode? That might help you out. > > Personally, I'm holding off as long as possible for a couple of > reasons. Firstly, I'll have to install from scratch, including > reinstalling all apps, which will be a bit of a pain. Secondly, and > more seriously, I have a SCSI flatbed and a SCSI film scanner that I'd > like to keep using. It looks like that's going to be a problem > because of limited driver support for the SCSI card, and none at all > if I opt for the 64-bit version over 32-bit. I could move the > scanners over to another PC and keep that one running XP, but then I'd > have to keep moving the Huey & monitor around to keep the monitor > calibration. Unless I buy more hardware, but I'd rather spend the > money on lenses. > > > -- > Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience > prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* > naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is > no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. > > -Daria Morgendorffer > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 16:23:56 2009 Received: (qmail 15532 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 15:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 15:23:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FC8E182B5 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2152FE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:23:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1330D34AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:23:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757E834AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:23:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so337311fxm.28 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:23:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.181.163 with SMTP id m35mr24305hbg.175.1259767424926; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:23:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:23:44 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 026f9f94e6947473 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] E-1 Noise Pattern and dynamic range in an extremely boosted file X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 16:23:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16868c254831612113968 http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=474&Itemid=1 Yes, this is the test I mentioned last night in the 5Dmk2 thread. I took a heavily underexposed picture of an IT8 target and boosted it looking for noise patterns. Enjoy. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 16:33:36 2009 Received: (qmail 19906 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 15:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 15:33:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB96E181D8 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3552DE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:33:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271A819EAFC for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:33:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D15619EAE6 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:33:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB2FXP3d004677 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:33:25 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com><6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:33:17 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 16:33:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1688d0133835034211378 It is not a group portrait why you have to look so close? I think 3-5 feet is a reasonable viewing distance for a 48" wide image, 11 MP should be ok. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" > Is an 11 Mpix sensor big enough with make a 48" wide image with more than > enough fine detail to withstand careful up close scrutiny ? > > jh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C.H.Ling" > >> Sorry, if EXIF shown it was an EOS-1DS it is the first 11MP version. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Hudson" >> >>> So, assuming the camera is the Mark 3 version it will have a 21.1 Mpix >>> sensor or so it states here: >>> >>> http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/eos1dsm3/html/01.html >>> >>> delivering 5616 x 3744 pixels >>> >>> If the print is 48" wide does this imply that the print resolution on >>> the >>> long side is 5616 / 48 pixels per inch = 117 ? >>> >>> jh >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 16:35:09 2009 Received: (qmail 24336 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 15:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 15:35:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63BBE181DE for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CF7E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:35:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B54A34AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:35:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B36034AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:35:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:35:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so260053yxe.22 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:35:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.167.16 with SMTP id u16mr158633ano.7.1259768099719; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:34:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AD075C33267464397DEC7BB97CFD985@MAIN> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B163896.4000505@picturepedia.org> <693F2D370EC94676B6E4CEBBB9EB5CAF@MAIN> <4B166116.3020505@picturepedia.org> <2FCD3602A6B747229D7D8A8385D58A34@MAIN> <4AD075C33267464397DEC7BB97CFD985@MAIN> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:34:59 +0000 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 16:35:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16892d41251234514069 2009/12/2 C.H.Ling > I'm sure there are still thousands of people very happy with the 5D II, it > depends on how they use the camera and their acceptance standard. I use it to take photographs, which I intend to print. My acceptance standard has led me on a long journey from OM through Leica's and various medium format experiments, and finally to the 5D and then the 5D2, which gives the best results of any of them, even when using some of my original OM lenses. There is no perfect camera, of course. > If one > don't boost exposure in post processing then it should be fine. With this > noise problem you are limited when playing with HDR. For example shooting > to > the sun, one may shot at -3 stops to retain the details of the sun and then > push the shadow during post processing so you can mix a normal developed > image with a boosted one to make a better one. To ensure lower noise you > need low ISO and this require NR to remove the pattern noise due to this > problem and low contrast details could be lost in the process. > > In most cases if you print the image the shadow noise is not easy visible > as > paper has much narrow D-range, shadow and highlight are usually sacrificed > for a good mid-tone. > In most cases if you don't print the image nobody will see it at a size that reveals a tenth of its subtle detail and tonality unless they are peering at huge screen enlargements of tiny portions of the image. > To me, if I pay that money I need something better, such problem was not on > my 40D, I don't expect it on a 5D II. > My only previous canon was a 5D, and the new one is better in every way. Anyway, as I said before I don't really want to argue here, except maybe with the implication that unless one has a low 'acceptance standard' the 5D is not worth consideration until there is a mkIV!! If it really caused me a problem, I would probably get a 40D for next to nothing to shoot -3 stop frames of the sun, and stick with my 5D2 for everything else, where it's clearly better! Tom > C.H.Ling > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 16:46:46 2009 Received: (qmail 20091 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 15:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 15:46:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A273BE182A3 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:46:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9241E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:46:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B552F19EBAD for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:46:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5F819EB83 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:46:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:46:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.10]) by mta04.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU1004B77TPVYG0@mta04.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:46:37 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlkTAAQbFksY4MhnQmdsb2JhbACBR4hvkVABAQEbBrtXCoQnBIVm X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,328,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="94462455" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:50:25 -0400 Message-id: <9F7670542F1B42239D5851C3899CAE25@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:46:34 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6149 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 16:46:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b168be6186404877110844 It's not that 3 to 5 feet is not a reasonable viewing distance for a 48" wide print, it is a reasonable distance, BUT the level of detail in the image when viewed at 12" was astounding and far beyond what I would have reasonably expected. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > It is not a group portrait why you have to look so close? I think 3-5 feet > is a reasonable viewing distance for a 48" wide image, 11 MP should be ok. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hudson" > >> Is an 11 Mpix sensor big enough with make a 48" wide image with more than >> enough fine detail to withstand careful up close scrutiny ? >> >> jh >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "C.H.Ling" >> >>> Sorry, if EXIF shown it was an EOS-1DS it is the first 11MP version. >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Hudson" >>> >>>> So, assuming the camera is the Mark 3 version it will have a 21.1 Mpix >>>> sensor or so it states here: >>>> >>>> http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/eos1dsm3/html/01.html >>>> >>>> delivering 5616 x 3744 pixels >>>> >>>> If the print is 48" wide does this imply that the print resolution on >>>> the >>>> long side is 5616 / 48 pixels per inch = 117 ? >>>> >>>> jh >>>> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4655 (20091202) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4655 (20091202) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 16:51:20 2009 Received: (qmail 20193 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 15:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 15:51:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A2EE181BF for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB83E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:51:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607A219EBD7 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:51:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EF619EBE6 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:51:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so370561fxm.28 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:51:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.143.212 with SMTP id l20mr24549hba.210.1259769070222; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:51:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:51:10 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c56f946b7ea62db5 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 16:51:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b168cf8235109730998309 > > Is an 11 Mpix sensor big enough with make a 48" wide image with more than > enough fine detail to withstand careful up close scrutiny ? If the edge-sharpness is there, the answer is a resounding yes! All this talk about maintaining 300dpi for printing is a bunch of hogwash. The eye is able to discern a line at 300dpi, but is unable to see anything else down there. To prove me wrong, do the following: Make an image file in your editor of choice and create a pattern of 1 pixel wide vertical black and white lines. Print this at 300dpi. Can you see the pattern? Let's go one step further. Add horizontal black lines. This should give you 1 pixel white dots surrounded by 1 pixel of black. Can you see the dots? Now, start scaling the images up to 200dpi on the printed page. Then try 150dpi. Even try 75dpi. At 150dpi the human eye is easily able to discern the lines and dots (provided that the scaling engine didn't blur things too much), but just barely. If the edges of the lines remain sharp and not blurred, the detail is maintained to the maximum of what the human eye is comfortably viewing. Now comes the fun part. I hope that the three prints are identical. Randomize the prints and grab one and guess which one is at which resolution. Hand the 150dpi print to another anal-retentive photographer and ask him/her what resolution it was printed at. Folks, when tests like these are performed without bias, you'll find more times than not that the lower-res image looks exceptionally sharp and highly detailed. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 17:05:44 2009 Received: (qmail 166 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 16:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 16:05:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DE6E182A2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:05:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E81EE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF1934AC02A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:05:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FA134AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:05:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:05:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB2G5X8C012016 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:05:34 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <9DB72853853D4E6887E9A21684066176@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN><4B163896.4000505@picturepedia.org><693F2D370EC94676B6E4CEBBB9EB5CAF@MAIN><4B166116.3020505@picturepedia.org><2FCD3602A6B747229D7D8A8385D58A34@MAIN><4AD075C33267464397DEC7BB97CFD985@MAIN> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:05:14 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 17:05:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b169058170991612113968 That is the difference, I'm not a pro who sell prints and I never make big print since I don't have the wall to hang them but I enjoy shooting and veiw them at 100% pixel size on my computer screen. On the other hand, this ISO125 example doesn't look good at +2 stop boost even scale down to 1000 pixel, I still see pattern noise with this small web image: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7615.JPG Acceptance stand is very complex, some seek for high resolution, some high ISO, some better color.... BTW, I also enjoy playing with different softwares so I know some RAW converters don't do well in color rendering but many poeple just prefer them for better workflow. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fenwick" > 2009/12/2 C.H.Ling > >> I'm sure there are still thousands of people very happy with the 5D II, >> it >> depends on how they use the camera and their acceptance standard. > > > I use it to take photographs, which I intend to print. My acceptance > standard has led me on a long journey from OM through Leica's and various > medium format experiments, and finally to the 5D and then the 5D2, which > gives the best results of any of them, even when using some of my original > OM lenses. There is no perfect camera, of course. > > >> If one >> don't boost exposure in post processing then it should be fine. With this >> noise problem you are limited when playing with HDR. For example shooting >> to >> the sun, one may shot at -3 stops to retain the details of the sun and >> then >> push the shadow during post processing so you can mix a normal developed >> image with a boosted one to make a better one. To ensure lower noise you >> need low ISO and this require NR to remove the pattern noise due to this >> problem and low contrast details could be lost in the process. >> >> In most cases if you print the image the shadow noise is not easy visible >> as >> paper has much narrow D-range, shadow and highlight are usually >> sacrificed >> for a good mid-tone. >> > > In most cases if you don't print the image nobody will see it at a size > that > reveals a tenth of its subtle detail and tonality unless they are peering > at > huge screen enlargements of tiny portions of the image. > > >> To me, if I pay that money I need something better, such problem was not >> on >> my 40D, I don't expect it on a 5D II. >> > > My only previous canon was a 5D, and the new one is better in every way. > Anyway, as I said before I don't really want to argue here, except maybe > with the implication that unless one has a low 'acceptance standard' the > 5D > is not worth consideration until there is a mkIV!! If it really caused me > a > problem, I would probably get a 40D for next to nothing to shoot -3 stop > frames of the sun, and stick with my 5D2 for everything else, where it's > clearly better! > > Tom -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 17:07:04 2009 Received: (qmail 13670 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 16:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 16:07:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287AAE181CC for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB00E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F6834AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:05:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2233234AC028 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:05:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f194.google.com (mail-yw0-f194.google.com [209.85.211.194]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh32 with SMTP id 32so300236ywh.14 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:05:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.170.9 with SMTP id x9mr218868ano.181.1259769951964; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:05:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:05:51 +0000 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 17:07:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1690a8202561413256596 This is the exif from the image shown on the web which appears to be a photograph of the mounted print John has seen. I suppose it's possible that the same camera was used to produce the original image, but there's no reason to assume so... Tom 2009/12/2 C.H.Ling > Sorry, if EXIF shown it was an EOS-1DS it is the first 11MP version. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hudson" > > > So, assuming the camera is the Mark 3 version it will have a 21.1 Mpix > > sensor or so it states here: > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 17:22:10 2009 Received: (qmail 19176 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 16:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 16:22:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B66FE1824E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D128CE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:22:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C1019ED3C for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:22:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB3319ED37 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:22:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:22:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.52]) by mta04.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU1004BP9GRW2I0@mta04.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:22:03 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlkTAMUiFksY4MhnQmdsb2JhbACBR4hvkVABAQEbBrtJCoQnBIVm X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,329,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="629581058" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:25:50 -0400 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:22:00 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6149 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 17:22:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16943211352439112457 Pixels per inch "PPI" and Dots per Inch "DPI" are different concepts. PPI refers to the pixel resolution of an image. DPI refers to the resolution of a printer [so says Martin Evening in his Adobe Photoshop for Photographers book]. According to the "New Epson Complete Guide to Digital Printing" book it states that "Epson prints at three photo settings: 720dpi, 1440 dpi and 2880 dpi. Some Epson printers let you choose these numbers; others do not. Typically, however, the Photo option selects 720 dpi, Best Photo selects 1440dpi and Photo RPM gives 2880 dpi" If Epson could satisfy discriminating customers at the "300dpi" level I am sure that their printers would be putting out 2880 dpi Given this information I suspect that printing at much below "300 dpi" is going to produce a poor print. The question is the relationship between pixels and dots, along with LPI [lines per inch] when transforming a pixel measured image into a dots measured image on paper. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > > >> Is an 11 Mpix sensor big enough with make a 48" wide image with more than >> enough fine detail to withstand careful up close scrutiny ? > > > If the edge-sharpness is there, the answer is a resounding yes! > > All this talk about maintaining 300dpi for printing is a bunch of hogwash. > The eye is able to discern a line at 300dpi, but is unable to see anything > else down there. > > To prove me wrong, do the following: > > Make an image file in your editor of choice and create a pattern of 1 > pixel > wide vertical black and white lines. Print this at 300dpi. Can you see > the > pattern? Let's go one step further. Add horizontal black lines. This > should give you 1 pixel white dots surrounded by 1 pixel of black. Can > you > see the dots? > > Now, start scaling the images up to 200dpi on the printed page. Then try > 150dpi. Even try 75dpi. > > At 150dpi the human eye is easily able to discern the lines and dots > (provided that the scaling engine didn't blur things too much), but just > barely. If the edges of the lines remain sharp and not blurred, the detail > is maintained to the maximum of what the human eye is comfortably viewing. > > Now comes the fun part. I hope that the three prints are identical. > Randomize the prints and grab one and guess which one is at which > resolution. Hand the 150dpi print to another anal-retentive photographer > and ask him/her what resolution it was printed at. > > Folks, when tests like these are performed without bias, you'll find more > times than not that the lower-res image looks exceptionally sharp and > highly > detailed. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4655 (20091202) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4655 (20091202) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 17:24:12 2009 Received: (qmail 14030 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 16:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 16:24:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4EF7E1824D for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC776E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E21A19ED5D for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:24:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C8319ED52 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:24:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com (mail-gx0-f221.google.com [209.85.217.221]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so289007gxk.10 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:24:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.25.14 with SMTP id 14mr258876any.154.1259771044561; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:24:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9DB72853853D4E6887E9A21684066176@MAIN> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B163896.4000505@picturepedia.org> <693F2D370EC94676B6E4CEBBB9EB5CAF@MAIN> <4B166116.3020505@picturepedia.org> <2FCD3602A6B747229D7D8A8385D58A34@MAIN> <4AD075C33267464397DEC7BB97CFD985@MAIN> <9DB72853853D4E6887E9A21684066176@MAIN> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:24:04 +0000 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 17:24:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1694ac163441744846740 Yes. I am sorry for the tone of my earlier message; I'm not well today and possibly a little grumpy. I don't sell a lot of prints yet either, but I make a lot as part of my learning process. What I've been seeking is really just something digital that is idiot-proof enough to let me shoot the way I did with tri-x, diafine, m6 and get acceptable results. I tried for a long time with Olympus DSLRs, but they didn't meet this requirement despite being excellent in many ways. The 5D was the first digital camera I tried that could do it, although it was clearly inferior to the E3 in several ways. I get excited now by the 5D2 because it not only has enough dynamic range to allow for careless technique, which is probably all I really needed, but also delivers results in prints that I prefer to anything I've produced with any of the other equipment I've tried at any time. My requirements are probably not typical, anyway, and I do understand why you've not been satisfied with your camera (and perhaps also Lightroom, which for me only needs to work better than a spare bedroom filled with hundreds of rolls of undeveloped or unscanned film, and countless hours spent locked in the bathroom in the dark!) Tom 2009/12/2 C.H.Ling > That is the difference, I'm not a pro who sell prints and I never make big > print since I don't have the wall to hang them but I enjoy shooting and > veiw > them at 100% pixel size on my computer screen. > > On the other hand, this ISO125 example doesn't look good at +2 stop boost > even scale down to 1000 pixel, I still see pattern noise with this small > web > image: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7615.JPG > > Acceptance stand is very complex, some seek for high resolution, some high > ISO, some better color.... > > BTW, I also enjoy playing with different softwares so I know some RAW > converters don't do well in color rendering but many poeple just prefer > them > for better workflow. > > C.H.Ling > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 17:32:48 2009 Received: (qmail 268 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 16:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 16:32:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE39E1819A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:32:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084BCE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F255C34AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:32:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB0934AC02A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:32:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so421260fxm.28 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:32:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.162.129 with SMTP id l1mr31915hbd.214.1259771561965; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:32:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:32:41 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 67cf71b0e46c3152 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 17:32:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1696b0276979752976205 > > Pixels per inch "PPI" and Dots per Inch "DPI" are different concepts. > Sorry, braincramp. I did mean PPI. You almost always want to print your images at the maximum DPI that the printer is designed for. Rest of my challenge still stands. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 17:35:52 2009 Received: (qmail 27077 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 16:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 16:35:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9830AE181CD for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADD9E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A27919ED9C for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:35:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D74E19EDA1 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:35:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:35:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so287212fge.8 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:35:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.181.163 with SMTP id m35mr34502hbg.175.1259771745129; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:35:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:35:44 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0cf062bf4f005b8b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 17:35:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b169768260711946193717 > > P.S. I am greatly concerned about the inherent power people place in > the hands of a single corporation like Google (who is by law mandated to > make money > for their shareholders above all other causes) in the form of willingly > hosting or channeling > *all* forms of information:.....through this one company. Why do people > trust Google so much? Far too much power that can affect far too many people > are in the hands of one money-making machine. > I'm sorry, we're we talking about Google, Microsoft, TRW, Visa/Mastercard, or the new government healthcare program? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 17:47:28 2009 Received: (qmail 19209 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 16:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 16:47:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDDB0E18256 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24A5E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:47:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AE534AC029 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:47:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248E634AC028 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:47:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:47:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB2GlJOl020833 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:47:19 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><4B163896.4000505@picturepedia.org><693F2D370EC94676B6E4CEBBB9EB5CAF@MAIN><4B166116.3020505@picturepedia.org><2FCD3602A6B747229D7D8A8385D58A34@MAIN><4AD075C33267464397DEC7BB97CFD985@MAIN><9DB72853853D4E6887E9A21684066176@MAIN> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:46:54 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 17:47:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b169a20326096789618724 That's no problem Tom, I enjoy the discussion and I found I always learn something from every discussion. 5D II is fine in many ways especially in high ISO and your 5D II may do better in low ISO as performance could vary between different samples. Since 5D II is your favorite and you are using lightroom, I hope you have no problem with the shadow color rendering as I found there is color shift with CS4, for the samples you can see my previous email. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fenwick" > Yes. I am sorry for the tone of my earlier message; I'm not well today > and > possibly a little grumpy. > > I don't sell a lot of prints yet either, but I make a lot as part of my > learning process. What I've been seeking is really just something digital > that is idiot-proof enough to let me shoot the way I did with tri-x, > diafine, m6 and get acceptable results. I tried for a long time with > Olympus DSLRs, but they didn't meet this requirement despite being > excellent > in many ways. The 5D was the first digital camera I tried that could do > it, > although it was clearly inferior to the E3 in several ways. > > I get excited now by the 5D2 because it not only has enough dynamic range > to > allow for careless technique, which is probably all I really needed, but > also delivers results in prints that I prefer to anything I've produced > with > any of the other equipment I've tried at any time. > > My requirements are probably not typical, anyway, and I do understand why > you've not been satisfied with your camera (and perhaps also Lightroom, > which for me only needs to work better than a spare bedroom filled with > hundreds of rolls of undeveloped or unscanned film, and countless hours > spent locked in the bathroom in the dark!) > > Tom > > 2009/12/2 C.H.Ling > >> That is the difference, I'm not a pro who sell prints and I never make >> big >> print since I don't have the wall to hang them but I enjoy shooting and >> veiw >> them at 100% pixel size on my computer screen. >> >> On the other hand, this ISO125 example doesn't look good at +2 stop boost >> even scale down to 1000 pixel, I still see pattern noise with this small >> web >> image: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7615.JPG >> >> Acceptance stand is very complex, some seek for high resolution, some >> high >> ISO, some better color.... >> >> BTW, I also enjoy playing with different softwares so I know some RAW >> converters don't do well in color rendering but many poeple just prefer >> them >> for better workflow. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 18:17:01 2009 Received: (qmail 31399 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 17:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 17:17:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FAD4E182A1 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:16:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94778E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695E334AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:16:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA58834AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:16:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f215.google.com (mail-ew0-f215.google.com [209.85.219.215]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:16:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy7 with SMTP id 7so515326ewy.8 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:16:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.212 with SMTP id u62mr126700wee.164.1259774212584; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:16:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:16:52 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912020916n2a693b08ic59d2125bc8fb284@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] E-1 Noise Pattern and dynamic range in an extremely boosted file X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 18:17:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16a10d126311946193717 On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > http://zone-10.com/cmsm/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id=3D4= 74&Itemid=3D1 > > Yes, > this is the test I mentioned last night in the 5Dmk2 thread. I took a > heavily underexposed picture of an IT8 target and boosted it looking for > noise patterns. =A0Enjoy. Thanks Ken. Have you attempted to match the -5 stop version to one that is right on with PP and NR? It looks like it should be possible to get it close. Just from some high ISO tests I've done, I'd expect that it might be difficult to get comparable sharpness alongside of truly acceptable noise reduction (i.e., matching the "right on" exposure). That at least is my experience with 3200 on the E-1, but you may have better tools/skills than I. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 18:24:17 2009 Received: (qmail 30713 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 17:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 17:24:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B260CE181CF for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB5EE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2062D34AC029 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:24:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A587134AC028 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:24:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.145]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so100343eyb.8 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:24:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.212 with SMTP id u62mr129573wee.164.1259774650225; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:24:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <693F2D370EC94676B6E4CEBBB9EB5CAF@MAIN> <4B166116.3020505@picturepedia.org> <2FCD3602A6B747229D7D8A8385D58A34@MAIN> <4AD075C33267464397DEC7BB97CFD985@MAIN> <9DB72853853D4E6887E9A21684066176@MAIN> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:24:10 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912020924i168a2far446cd8d220ac6541@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 18:24:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16a2c0231921744846740 On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM, C.H.Ling wrote: > Since 5D II is your favorite and you are using lightroom, I hope you have no > problem with the shadow color rendering as I found there is color shift with > CS4, for the samples you can see my previous email. Part of the problem for me is that the monitor I have at my disposal at this moment does not reveal enough shadow detail to show the patterns you are finding. Possibly my monitors at home are not enough better to show it either. I suspect many people are in the same boat. I need a better monitor so that I can find reasons to despise my cameras. (Just kidding!) Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 18:37:47 2009 Received: (qmail 11816 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 17:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 17:37:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53D7E181D6 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:37:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD84E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DDC19F028 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:37:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF0919EFF7 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:37:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:37:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so173717fgg.8 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:37:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.197.142 with SMTP id z14mr42235hbi.213.1259775460225; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:37:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0912020916n2a693b08ic59d2125bc8fb284@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e908c1f0912020916n2a693b08ic59d2125bc8fb284@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:37:40 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 29a72229db3edb07 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] E-1 Noise Pattern and dynamic range in an extremely boosted file X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 18:37:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16a5eb310161006886880 > > Thanks Ken. Have you attempted to match the -5 stop version to one > that is right on with PP and NR? It looks like it should be possible > to get it close. Just from some high ISO tests I've done, I'd expect > that it might be difficult to get comparable sharpness alongside of > truly acceptable noise reduction (i.e., matching the "right on" > exposure). That at least is my experience with 3200 on the E-1, but > you may have better tools/skills than I. > I did a full sequence of shots +/- on the target, but we can repeat this test with your cameras easily enough. Let's get together. We could do ALL of our digital cameras in an hour. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 18:42:51 2009 Received: (qmail 24436 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 17:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 17:42:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A42E181A3 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A983FE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8D434AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:42:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BD234AC02B for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:42:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so505225fxm.28 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:42:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.181.163 with SMTP id m35mr43778hbg.175.1259775764503; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:42:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0912020924i168a2far446cd8d220ac6541@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B166116.3020505@picturepedia.org> <2FCD3602A6B747229D7D8A8385D58A34@MAIN> <4AD075C33267464397DEC7BB97CFD985@MAIN> <9DB72853853D4E6887E9A21684066176@MAIN> <9e908c1f0912020924i168a2far446cd8d220ac6541@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:42:44 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6d92a5cc33ec27ad Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 18:42:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16a71b214259752976205 > > I need a better monitor so that I can find reasons to despise my > cameras. (Just kidding!) > > I prefer living in blissful ignorance... Cheaper that way. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 19:23:43 2009 Received: (qmail 3489 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 18:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 18:23:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68554E18039 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E199E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D05E19F1AC for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:23:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B6219F149 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:23:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:23:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KU100330F3A46D1@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:23:35 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:27:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:23:34 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsUSAFI/FksY4MhnQmdsb2JhbACBSIhwkWABAQEbBrtKCoQnBIVo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,329,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="94576173" X-EsetScannerBuild: 6149 References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> Subject: [OM] Update : Re: how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 19:23:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16b0af4771234514069 Paul Nicholson has sent me an email stating that he used a Canon EOS-1DS, 11 mp, for that large +40" wide print of the two waves at Peggys Cove. I guess it shows what can be done by someone who really knows what they're doing. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > > >> Pixels per inch "PPI" and Dots per Inch "DPI" are different concepts. >> > > Sorry, braincramp. I did mean PPI. You almost always want to print your > images at the maximum DPI that the printer is designed for. > > Rest of my challenge still stands. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4655 (20091202) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4655 (20091202) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 19:33:22 2009 Received: (qmail 30316 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 18:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 18:33:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB2CE1824E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:33:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64466E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:33:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2E919F1E9 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:33:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43DB19F1E0 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:33:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091202183314.TWAN19505.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:33:14 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id CJZE1d00Q4Z9Gks02JZEgE; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:33:15 -0500 X-VR-Score: -200.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=5EcAHbcW9k0ATUrNd8Xe5/UYiESF2UOSEBPYPCpI+bQ= c=1 sm=1 a=zlPZtuRD1dEA:10 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:17 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=xjW31z2RAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=nUuTZ29dAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=vUcAQ0ttZq3IyvV-PdMA:9 a=H02U0-JDTO4LUGd8IcMA:7 a=PbV7BKOKtGow05i59QSBddsCL7EA:4 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=IKds56vswl8A:10 a=rqwyRDHdeLXEi8_g:21 a=F-j34F4uKnkgxuXZ:21 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <514868253C2D474A9A5EAC8186DC6CF5@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com><6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:33:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 19:33:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16b2f2165391073733319 A lot of printers print at less th an 300dpi, which is the standard for good halftone reproduction, and is the digital equivalent of the old standard 150 line screen. A fuji frontier outputs at somewhere aroune 240 dpi, and the bigger, better Durst printers also use a similar number. There is a big difference between printing on photo paper and inkjet printing. Even at 2800dpi, the goal is to suppress what would be a noticable dot pattern. Different inkjet brands have different ways of dealing with that. Bill pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > Pixels per inch "PPI" and Dots per Inch "DPI" are different concepts. > > PPI refers to the pixel resolution of an image. DPI refers to the > resolution > of a printer [so says Martin Evening in his Adobe Photoshop for > Photographers book]. > > According to the "New Epson Complete Guide to Digital Printing" book it > states that "Epson prints at three photo settings: 720dpi, 1440 dpi and > 2880 > dpi. Some Epson printers let you choose these numbers; others do not. > Typically, however, the Photo option selects 720 dpi, Best Photo selects > 1440dpi and Photo RPM gives 2880 dpi" > > If Epson could satisfy discriminating customers at the "300dpi" level I am > sure that their printers would be putting out 2880 dpi > > Given this information I suspect that printing at much below "300 dpi" is > going to produce a poor print. > > The question is the relationship between pixels and dots, along with LPI > [lines per inch] when transforming a pixel measured image into a dots > measured image on paper. > > jh > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > > >> > >>> Is an 11 Mpix sensor big enough with make a 48" wide image with more >>> than >>> enough fine detail to withstand careful up close scrutiny ? >> >> >> If the edge-sharpness is there, the answer is a resounding yes! >> >> All this talk about maintaining 300dpi for printing is a bunch of >> hogwash. >> The eye is able to discern a line at 300dpi, but is unable to see >> anything >> else down there. >> >> To prove me wrong, do the following: >> >> Make an image file in your editor of choice and create a pattern of 1 >> pixel >> wide vertical black and white lines. Print this at 300dpi. Can you see >> the >> pattern? Let's go one step further. Add horizontal black lines. This >> should give you 1 pixel white dots surrounded by 1 pixel of black. Can >> you >> see the dots? >> >> Now, start scaling the images up to 200dpi on the printed page. Then try >> 150dpi. Even try 75dpi. >> >> At 150dpi the human eye is easily able to discern the lines and dots >> (provided that the scaling engine didn't blur things too much), but just >> barely. If the edges of the lines remain sharp and not blurred, the >> detail >> is maintained to the maximum of what the human eye is comfortably >> viewing. >> >> Now comes the fun part. I hope that the three prints are identical. >> Randomize the prints and grab one and guess which one is at which >> resolution. Hand the 150dpi print to another anal-retentive photographer >> and ask him/her what resolution it was printed at. >> >> Folks, when tests like these are performed without bias, you'll find more >> times than not that the lower-res image looks exceptionally sharp and >> highly >> detailed. >> >> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 4655 (20091202) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4655 (20091202) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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(VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 20:10:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16bb9b177971258626592 Simple. I don't use DPP because I don't like to use DPP. I think its usage is rather primitive relative to ACR. I also don't lend much credence to your test image because it's 4 stops down. I wouldn't be trying to recover that. I find it curious that the black parts of the image (already near 0) can be 4 stops down yet be recovered by DPP. CS4 is showing 0 for those parts which is what I would expect. Is DPP inventing numbers? It has produced a slightly graduated scale of dark grays but how did it do that? What are the values of those dark grays/blacks before boosting? Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Why your guys don't use the free software came with your Canyon camera? CS > has BIG PROBLEM in rendering at least the 5D II files, see here a test image > that undered 4 stops: > > Converted with DPP +2 stops: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7217_DPP.JPG (142KB) > > Converted with CS4 +2 stops: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7217_CS4.jpg (174KB) > > both W/B on the "White" color. See the serious color shift in CS4 converted > one, not to mention the different in exposure. > > Try it out yourself if you are interested, may be I have missed something: > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7217.CR2 (6.8MB) > > Back to the noise issue, here are two crops from DPP, one normal > exposure and the other +1 stop in DPP. > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442.JPG > > http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442+1.JPG > > There are visible noise even with the non boost one, remember this is > an ISO100 image, just hard to accept! > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> I must be blind. I didn't open this file before because my CS3 can't >> handle 5D MkII files. However, I decided to try an ACR conversion in my >> trial version of Elements which does handle it. I do see banding on the >> wood paneling in the background at lower far right. But to make it >> visible I have to increase fill light to 100 while also increasing >> exposure by a full stop. That's something I'd never do. Are my new >> eyes or monitor that bad? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> Moose, I think you are right, it is highly possible A/D problem, I have >>> checked with some low ISO images, there are large size "noise" at the >>> shadow >>> area even without boost up, what 14 bit A/D seems not doing better than >>> the >>> E-1, all are BS, even the 40D images look better. >>> >>> There has been a long time curious for me why some OOF background didn't >>> look as smooth as they should be, it was not enough bit deep. Now there >>> is >>> one more thing to look for when checking out a new camera. >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "C.H.Ling" >>> >>>> Yes, there is similar problem even at full resolution: >>>> >>>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442.CR2 (23MB) >>>> >>>> I really have no idea how this happen as a totally dark low ISO image is >>>> very clean even boost up, at the mean time high ISO image is clean >>>> except >>>> the shadow, just like problem with low ISO image. >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling >>>> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 20:17:47 2009 Received: (qmail 20120 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 19:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 19:17:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FE4E182AB for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CC4E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:17:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C8B34AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:17:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2734134AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:17:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (paganini14.register.it [81.88.48.47]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:17:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25958 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2009 19:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.35.77.239) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 19:17:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <007301ca7333$11ca2ff0$355e8fd0$@com.au> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:17:37 +0100 Message-Id: References: <2D215508-569A-448A-B94A-AC010D684F01@frozenlight.eu> <007301ca7333$11ca2ff0$355e8fd0$@com.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 30/11/2009: coming in to land X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 20:17:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16bd5b162767801554290 :-) No, the work terrace faces east, so only sunrises. Keep in mind that this is dead of winter, so this picture was not taken that early, around 8:30 a.m. (ignore the time stamp in the exif, my M8 is off by 2 hours). Sadly, this is NOT the view from my office window. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:37 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> >> I like the picture, Nathan. But I know that you're just trying to show >> us that you get to work early ... >> :-) >> > > Yeah Nathan, did you get the sunset shot from the terrace too ? > > ...Wayne > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 20:24:28 2009 Received: (qmail 23235 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 19:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 19:24:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D13E18065 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1092E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA69E1CD48E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:24:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2870C1CD485 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:24:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4883 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 19:24:20 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 20:24:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16beec95247801554290 I did finally try your raw file in DPP and the difference between ACR's conversion and DPP's conversion is that the base image conversion in ACR shows many very dark areas as black (0) whereas DPP shows small but distinguishable dark gray values (from 1-12). Also, in the green patch DPP shows a red value of 1 whereas ACR shows 0. So, for whatever reason, ACR is not correctly converting very dark values and the color shift is due to 0 not scaling upward with the other non-zero values of the pixel. Sounds like a bug in ACR. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Simple. I don't use DPP because I don't like to use DPP. I think its > usage is rather primitive relative to ACR. I also don't lend much > credence to your test image because it's 4 stops down. I wouldn't be > trying to recover that. I find it curious that the black parts of the > image (already near 0) can be 4 stops down yet be recovered by DPP. CS4 > is showing 0 for those parts which is what I would expect. Is DPP > inventing numbers? It has produced a slightly graduated scale of dark > grays but how did it do that? What are the values of those dark > grays/blacks before boosting? > > Chuck Norcutt > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> Why your guys don't use the free software came with your Canyon camera? CS >> has BIG PROBLEM in rendering at least the 5D II files, see here a test image >> that undered 4 stops: >> >> Converted with DPP +2 stops: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7217_DPP.JPG (142KB) >> >> Converted with CS4 +2 stops: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7217_CS4.jpg (174KB) >> >> both W/B on the "White" color. See the serious color shift in CS4 converted >> one, not to mention the different in exposure. >> >> Try it out yourself if you are interested, may be I have missed something: >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7217.CR2 (6.8MB) >> >> Back to the noise issue, here are two crops from DPP, one normal >> exposure and the other +1 stop in DPP. >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442.JPG >> >> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442+1.JPG >> >> There are visible noise even with the non boost one, remember this is >> an ISO100 image, just hard to accept! >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> >>> I must be blind. I didn't open this file before because my CS3 can't >>> handle 5D MkII files. However, I decided to try an ACR conversion in my >>> trial version of Elements which does handle it. I do see banding on the >>> wood paneling in the background at lower far right. But to make it >>> visible I have to increase fill light to 100 while also increasing >>> exposure by a full stop. That's something I'd never do. Are my new >>> eyes or monitor that bad? >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> C.H.Ling wrote: >>>> Moose, I think you are right, it is highly possible A/D problem, I have >>>> checked with some low ISO images, there are large size "noise" at the >>>> shadow >>>> area even without boost up, what 14 bit A/D seems not doing better than >>>> the >>>> E-1, all are BS, even the 40D images look better. >>>> >>>> There has been a long time curious for me why some OOF background didn't >>>> look as smooth as they should be, it was not enough bit deep. Now there >>>> is >>>> one more thing to look for when checking out a new camera. >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "C.H.Ling" >>>> >>>>> Yes, there is similar problem even at full resolution: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442.CR2 (23MB) >>>>> >>>>> I really have no idea how this happen as a totally dark low ISO image is >>>>> very clean even boost up, at the mean time high ISO image is clean >>>>> except >>>>> the shadow, just like problem with low ISO image. >>>>> >>>>> C.H.Ling >>>>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 20:30:36 2009 Received: (qmail 30286 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 19:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 19:30:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E853DE181CF for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54952E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29AAA1CD494 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:30:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604F11CD493 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:30:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:30:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9837 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 19:30:27 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 20:30:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16c05c296819752976205 After a few minutes more thought it suddenly occurred to me that maybe ACR is prematurely rounding things down from 14 bits to 8 bits and using 8 bit values when increasing brightness. That would explain some small values of dark gray (1-12) getting turned into 0. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I did finally try your raw file in DPP and the difference between ACR's > conversion and DPP's conversion is that the base image conversion in ACR > shows many very dark areas as black (0) whereas DPP shows small but > distinguishable dark gray values (from 1-12). Also, in the green patch > DPP shows a red value of 1 whereas ACR shows 0. > > So, for whatever reason, ACR is not correctly converting very dark > values and the color shift is due to 0 not scaling upward with the other > non-zero values of the pixel. > > Sounds like a bug in ACR. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Simple. I don't use DPP because I don't like to use DPP. I think its >> usage is rather primitive relative to ACR. I also don't lend much >> credence to your test image because it's 4 stops down. I wouldn't be >> trying to recover that. I find it curious that the black parts of the >> image (already near 0) can be 4 stops down yet be recovered by DPP. CS4 >> is showing 0 for those parts which is what I would expect. Is DPP >> inventing numbers? It has produced a slightly graduated scale of dark >> grays but how did it do that? What are the values of those dark >> grays/blacks before boosting? >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> C.H.Ling wrote: >>> Why your guys don't use the free software came with your Canyon camera? CS >>> has BIG PROBLEM in rendering at least the 5D II files, see here a test image >>> that undered 4 stops: >>> >>> Converted with DPP +2 stops: >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7217_DPP.JPG (142KB) >>> >>> Converted with CS4 +2 stops: >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7217_CS4.jpg (174KB) >>> >>> both W/B on the "White" color. See the serious color shift in CS4 converted >>> one, not to mention the different in exposure. >>> >>> Try it out yourself if you are interested, may be I have missed something: >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7217.CR2 (6.8MB) >>> >>> Back to the noise issue, here are two crops from DPP, one normal >>> exposure and the other +1 stop in DPP. >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442.JPG >>> >>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442+1.JPG >>> >>> There are visible noise even with the non boost one, remember this is >>> an ISO100 image, just hard to accept! >>> >>> C.H.Ling >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >>> >>>> I must be blind. I didn't open this file before because my CS3 can't >>>> handle 5D MkII files. However, I decided to try an ACR conversion in my >>>> trial version of Elements which does handle it. I do see banding on the >>>> wood paneling in the background at lower far right. But to make it >>>> visible I have to increase fill light to 100 while also increasing >>>> exposure by a full stop. That's something I'd never do. Are my new >>>> eyes or monitor that bad? >>>> >>>> Chuck Norcutt >>>> >>>> >>>> C.H.Ling wrote: >>>>> Moose, I think you are right, it is highly possible A/D problem, I have >>>>> checked with some low ISO images, there are large size "noise" at the >>>>> shadow >>>>> area even without boost up, what 14 bit A/D seems not doing better than >>>>> the >>>>> E-1, all are BS, even the 40D images look better. >>>>> >>>>> There has been a long time curious for me why some OOF background didn't >>>>> look as smooth as they should be, it was not enough bit deep. Now there >>>>> is >>>>> one more thing to look for when checking out a new camera. >>>>> >>>>> C.H.Ling >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "C.H.Ling" >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, there is similar problem even at full resolution: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_6442.CR2 (23MB) >>>>>> >>>>>> I really have no idea how this happen as a totally dark low ISO image is >>>>>> very clean even boost up, at the mean time high ISO image is clean >>>>>> except >>>>>> the shadow, just like problem with low ISO image. >>>>>> >>>>>> C.H.Ling >>>>>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 21:07:08 2009 Received: (qmail 13846 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 20:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 20:07:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80448E181BA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:07:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0974AE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:07:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B908434AC02A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:07:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462E034AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:07:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:07:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB2K70gJ009583 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:07:00 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.c23.684c47e7 (55722) for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:06:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-md02.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD025-5bb44b16c8d18d; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:06:58 -0500 Received: from webmail-d021 (webmail-d021.sim.aol.com [205.188.181.23]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v127.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA023-5bb44b16c8d18d; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:06:41 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:06:42 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 170.223.203.183 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 29644-STANDARD Received: from 170.223.203.183 by webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.23) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:06:42 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC41A219963910-1D2C-AE73@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: Re: [OM] question for Dr. Battery X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 21:07:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16c8ec129509730998309 Thanks, Dr. Battery. Mike This website has some limited tests on various Eneloop competitors including the Sony and duracell cells. As Chuck mentioned, apparently Duracell has gone to Chinese made cells now. http://www.stefanv.com/electronics/low_self_discharge.html These tests do not compare high rate capacity, but even at these rates the Eneloops demonstrate lower internal resistance/higher voltage as demonstrated by the mWh being a bit higher than the competitors. So we might guess the Eneloops would have a bigger advantage at high discharge rates in comparison to competitors in this group. tim Hughes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 21:14:06 2009 Received: (qmail 31253 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 20:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 20:14:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D29E18200 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C23E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BE41CD48E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:14:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186AB1CD48A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:14:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9630 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 20:13:58 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 20:13:58 -0000 Message-ID: <4B16CA85.1000008@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:13:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 21:14:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16ca8e327281744846740 Thanks. I couldn't see how it was there since copying and downloading the image still doesn't reveal any EXIF data. Chuck Norcutt Jim Loudon wrote: > Sorry for the late reply, but I'm a digest subscriber... > > In answer to the question, how did I extract EXIF data from the subject > image, it's pretty simple: my web browser, Opera 10, shows EXIF data (if > present) as part of the image properties display. Right-click on the image > and it's all there. Firefox and IE users (and probably Safari as well) are > limited to seeing pixel dimensions and file size, I believe (I don't use > those browsers frequently enough to really know). Opera has been capable > of displaying EXIF data within images been for several years now. > > To answer to another question, EXIF data is present in web images more > frequently than one might suspect. Some image editors preserve the EXIF > data of the original image capture as the default. > > jim > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 21:17:21 2009 Received: (qmail 4329 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 20:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 20:17:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0A4E181CF for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84837E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B4734AC028 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:17:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30C434AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:17:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12045 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 20:17:15 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 20:17:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4B16CB49.9040600@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:17:13 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 21:17:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16cb51233509730998309 Unless hawkeye Moose is doing the viewing. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Is an 11 Mpix sensor big enough with make a 48" wide image with more than >> enough fine detail to withstand careful up close scrutiny ? > > > If the edge-sharpness is there, the answer is a resounding yes! > > All this talk about maintaining 300dpi for printing is a bunch of hogwash. > The eye is able to discern a line at 300dpi, but is unable to see anything > else down there. > > To prove me wrong, do the following: > > Make an image file in your editor of choice and create a pattern of 1 pixel > wide vertical black and white lines. Print this at 300dpi. Can you see the > pattern? Let's go one step further. Add horizontal black lines. This > should give you 1 pixel white dots surrounded by 1 pixel of black. Can you > see the dots? > > Now, start scaling the images up to 200dpi on the printed page. Then try > 150dpi. Even try 75dpi. > > At 150dpi the human eye is easily able to discern the lines and dots > (provided that the scaling engine didn't blur things too much), but just > barely. If the edges of the lines remain sharp and not blurred, the detail > is maintained to the maximum of what the human eye is comfortably viewing. > > Now comes the fun part. I hope that the three prints are identical. > Randomize the prints and grab one and guess which one is at which > resolution. Hand the 150dpi print to another anal-retentive photographer > and ask him/her what resolution it was printed at. > > Folks, when tests like these are performed without bias, you'll find more > times than not that the lower-res image looks exceptionally sharp and highly > detailed. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 21:18:41 2009 Received: (qmail 11804 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 20:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 20:18:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB2AE182A0 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DEB0E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2254634AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:18:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9CF34AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:18:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12739 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 20:18:15 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 20:18:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4B16CB86.5070705@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:18:14 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 21:18:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16cba136561006886880 Good point. I still say the photo of the photographer with his camera looks to me like he's holding a Mamiya 645. Chuck Norcutt Tom Fenwick wrote: > This is the exif from the image shown on the web which appears to be a > photograph of the mounted print John has seen. I suppose it's possible that > the same camera was used to produce the original image, but there's no > reason to assume so... > > Tom > > 2009/12/2 C.H.Ling > >> Sorry, if EXIF shown it was an EOS-1DS it is the first 11MP version. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Hudson" >> >>> So, assuming the camera is the Mark 3 version it will have a 21.1 Mpix >>> sensor or so it states here: -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 21:26:52 2009 Received: (qmail 3974 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 20:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 20:26:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CE8E1819F for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCABE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0581CD48A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:26:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37611CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:26:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:26:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18754 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 20:26:43 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 20:26:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4B16CD82.9020902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:26:42 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 21:26:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16cd8c69313900897491 You have fallen victim to the printer manufacturer's marketing wars with respect to the resolution of their printers. The dpi they're referring to there is the size of smallest dot that can be produced of any one color. Actual pixel representations on paper are composed of multiple printer ink dots comprising multiple colors and it takes a bunch of them to build up one pixel's worth. If you're printing with an image resolution of 300 dpi and at best photo resolution of 1400 dpi the printer has near 5 (1400/300) dot positions where it can lay down multiple tiny ink dots to build that one pixel (or dot since it's now on the paper) Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > Pixels per inch "PPI" and Dots per Inch "DPI" are different concepts. > > PPI refers to the pixel resolution of an image. DPI refers to the resolution > of a printer [so says Martin Evening in his Adobe Photoshop for > Photographers book]. > > According to the "New Epson Complete Guide to Digital Printing" book it > states that "Epson prints at three photo settings: 720dpi, 1440 dpi and 2880 > dpi. Some Epson printers let you choose these numbers; others do not. > Typically, however, the Photo option selects 720 dpi, Best Photo selects > 1440dpi and Photo RPM gives 2880 dpi" > > If Epson could satisfy discriminating customers at the "300dpi" level I am > sure that their printers would be putting out 2880 dpi > > Given this information I suspect that printing at much below "300 dpi" is > going to produce a poor print. > > The question is the relationship between pixels and dots, along with LPI > [lines per inch] when transforming a pixel measured image into a dots > measured image on paper. > > jh > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > > >>> Is an 11 Mpix sensor big enough with make a 48" wide image with more than >>> enough fine detail to withstand careful up close scrutiny ? >> >> If the edge-sharpness is there, the answer is a resounding yes! >> >> All this talk about maintaining 300dpi for printing is a bunch of hogwash. >> The eye is able to discern a line at 300dpi, but is unable to see anything >> else down there. >> >> To prove me wrong, do the following: >> >> Make an image file in your editor of choice and create a pattern of 1 >> pixel >> wide vertical black and white lines. Print this at 300dpi. Can you see >> the >> pattern? Let's go one step further. Add horizontal black lines. This >> should give you 1 pixel white dots surrounded by 1 pixel of black. Can >> you >> see the dots? >> >> Now, start scaling the images up to 200dpi on the printed page. Then try >> 150dpi. Even try 75dpi. >> >> At 150dpi the human eye is easily able to discern the lines and dots >> (provided that the scaling engine didn't blur things too much), but just >> barely. If the edges of the lines remain sharp and not blurred, the detail >> is maintained to the maximum of what the human eye is comfortably viewing. >> >> Now comes the fun part. I hope that the three prints are identical. >> Randomize the prints and grab one and guess which one is at which >> resolution. Hand the 150dpi print to another anal-retentive photographer >> and ask him/her what resolution it was printed at. >> >> Folks, when tests like these are performed without bias, you'll find more >> times than not that the lower-res image looks exceptionally sharp and >> highly >> detailed. >> >> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 4655 (20091202) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4655 (20091202) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 21:31:53 2009 Received: (qmail 30087 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 20:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 20:31:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B947AE182AC for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF80E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:31:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8861CD492 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:31:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FF21CD485 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:31:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so378038fge.8 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:31:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.33 with SMTP id q33mr65517hba.126.1259785903902; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:31:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B16BEE3.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> <0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN> <4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B166630.3070400@chucknorcutt.com> <6E0E8E440DCC4A17B0137DF439A0FCCE@MAIN> <4B16BB90.2060803@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16BEE3.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:31:43 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 041757e25e8650a6 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 21:31:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16ceb9161581234514069 > > Sounds like a bug in ACR. You are just waiting for me to jump right up on my anti-Adobe soapbox here, aren't you? Well, guess what. I'm not. But I am about to launch on us photographers who blindly trust that it's ________ therefore it's wonderful. Fill in the blank with whatever you want. Unless a person does their own testing and analysis and pushing the limits of things, you're subject to whatever whims of design flaws that might come your way. When I was taking flying lessons, I fired one of my instructors because he taught only the straight and level and not how to recover from the the problem attitudes. He refused to take the airplane to a stall, but when things started feeling rough (5 kts above stall) he'd shove the throttle back in, level the plane and say "close enough". When he said that he didn't believe in short-field operations and that the 10,000 foot runways were good enough for training on, I had enough of him. The fact was, by that point I already knew how to shortfield/softfield land a Cessna 172 and bring it to a complete stop in well under 300 feet, so I knew the guy was worthless. I asked him about slips and he said that he didn't teach them. I asked him how I was going to pass the checkride, and he said something to the effect that he sends all his students to this one check pilot who doesn't push the issue. PS, on one approach to a 10000' runway I was way high on final, but knew how to slip it in and squeek it on the threshold, but he forced me to go around. Yeah, I know, he was the instructor, but good grief... We could have landed it 10 times in the length of the runway! BTW, the instructor that taught me the shortfield work was a former missionary bush pilot. During one training flight we landed a Cessna 172 crosswise on a wide runway. I got my early flight training on another treelined airport, though, that had a 25' wide runway. In fact, the entire clearing of one of the runways was not even 150' wide. Landing on that runway required that you almost stall the airplane as your wheels brush the branches of the 100' trees at the end of the runway. This was the airport my dad flew out of all the time and it was as challenging as anything anywhere. The crosswinds were ALWAYS horrid and swirling and only one runway departure, of the four, didn't have at least an 85' tree at the end. Did I mention the ever present deer on the runways or the fact that at no point in the pattern could you see the entire runway? (That airport is now closed and the runways are almost totally reclaimed by nature--good riddence) My point is, that you need to test to failure. Test to see just how far you can push an image. Learn and apply. As to the pushing of an image two or more stops, that isn't unusual because we do a ton of highlight and shadow recovery in our images which can far exceed two stops of manipulation. I personally continue to test my equipment, even though I think I know everything there is to know about it because every time I do, I end up learning something new. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 21:40:07 2009 Received: (qmail 5874 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 20:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 20:40:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FB5E1822C for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265FEE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:40:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA6B34AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:40:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D47534AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:39:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:39:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28793 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 20:39:58 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 20:39:58 -0000 Message-ID: <4B16D09D.4000307@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:39:57 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Update : Re: how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 21:40:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16d0a7169381879814018 A friend of mine made a 24x36 poster print from a portrait of his daughter taken with a 3 MP Canon D30. Looks pretty good from 2 feet away. The 4064 horizontal pixels of the 1Ds would give you 100 pixels/inch on a 40" print. As Ken pointed out: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Make an image file in your editor of choice and create a pattern of 1 pixel wide vertical black and white lines. Print this at 300dpi. Can you see the pattern? Let's go one step further. Add horizontal black lines. This should give you 1 pixel white dots surrounded by 1 pixel of black. Can you see the dots? Now, start scaling the images up to 200dpi on the printed page. Then try 150dpi. Even try 75dpi. At 150dpi the human eye is easily able to discern the lines and dots (provided that the scaling engine didn't blur things too much), but just barely. If the edges of the lines remain sharp and not blurred, the detail is maintained to the maximum of what the human eye is comfortably viewing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Perhaps he prints with a good upsampling engine like Qimage. Check what it does to the jaggies on this demo page: Chuck Norcutt John Hudson wrote: > Paul Nicholson has sent me an email stating that he used a Canon EOS-1DS, 11 > mp, for that large +40" wide print of the two waves at Peggys Cove. > > I guess it shows what can be done by someone who really knows what they're > doing. > > jh > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > > >>> Pixels per inch "PPI" and Dots per Inch "DPI" are different concepts. >>> >> Sorry, braincramp. I did mean PPI. You almost always want to print your >> images at the maximum DPI that the printer is designed for. >> >> Rest of my challenge still stands. >> >> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 4655 (20091202) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4655 (20091202) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 21:41:22 2009 Received: (qmail 30210 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 20:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 20:41:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBEEE181BA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45679E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1A21CD48A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:40:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D122D1CD485 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:40:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:40:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB2KejD9006675 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:40:45 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.c2b.463bb279 (37168) for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:40:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA047-5bb94b16d0c5239; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:40:41 -0500 Received: from webmail-d021 (webmail-d021.sim.aol.com [205.188.181.23]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v127.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA028-5bb94b16d0c5239; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:40:37 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:40:38 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 170.223.203.183 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 29644-STANDARD Received: from 170.223.203.183 by webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.23) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:40:38 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC41A6D70E37C2-1D2C-B842@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 21:41:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16d0f266955034211378 I hope the applications run natively---save a headache. Win XP mode in Win 7 is slightly different than rolling your own by installing virtual PC (free) and XP from your disks. One can run apps from one click and I think the PC uses the win 7 drivers for printers and such(may not be an adantage for me). If you have trouble you could try the virtual PC approach though will take a performance hit of course. Perhaps easier than a mulit-boot set-up if runs well. Looking at Microsoft website, I'm not seeing a copy of virtual PC for your flavor of win 7--seems they want you to upgrade---what a surprise. There were leaked versions available months ago and it took me one minute to find one should that be something one would do. There is other free virtualiization software developed as shareware for downloading as well. Mike Tonight I will try installing PSE 4.0 and an XP compatable version of Family Tree Maker. Neither of these would install on Vista so maybe I'll get lucky. Charlie -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 21:42:40 2009 Received: (qmail 10950 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 20:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 20:42:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7002FE1819D for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798F5E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E5734AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:41:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB36034AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:41:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:41:08 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id nB2Kf3eC018514 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:41:06 GMT Message-ID: <0E2F8547146D43908F6A7102B2E6F6F3@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com><0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN> <4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com><1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN><4B166630.3070400@chucknorcutt.com><6E0E8E440DCC4A17B0137DF439A0FCCE@MAIN><4B16BB90.2060803@chucknorcutt.com><4B16BEE3.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:41:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 21:42:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16d140236161413256596 Hi Ken, As a former pilot, I respect your position. Instructors like that end up getting people killed. I used to routinely fly my family in and out of an 1800-ft runway in a Tri-Pacer. It teaches one to learn what the machine will and will not do. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem > > >> Sounds like a bug in ACR. > > > > You are just waiting for me to jump right up on my anti-Adobe soapbox > here, > aren't you? > > Well, guess what. I'm not. But I am about to launch on us photographers > who > blindly trust that it's ________ therefore it's wonderful. Fill in the > blank > with whatever you want. > > Unless a person does their own testing and analysis and pushing the limits > of things, you're subject to whatever whims of design flaws that might > come > your way. > > When I was taking flying lessons, I fired one of my instructors because he > taught only the straight and level and not how to recover from the the > problem attitudes. He refused to take the airplane to a stall, but when > things started feeling rough (5 kts above stall) he'd shove the throttle > back in, level the plane and say "close enough". When he said that he > didn't believe in short-field operations and that the 10,000 foot runways > were good enough for training on, I had enough of him. The fact was, by > that > point I already knew how to shortfield/softfield land a Cessna 172 and > bring > it to a complete stop in well under 300 feet, so I knew the guy was > worthless. I asked him about slips and he said that he didn't teach them. > I > asked him how I was going to pass the checkride, and he said something to > the effect that he sends all his students to this one check pilot who > doesn't push the issue. PS, on one approach to a 10000' runway I was way > high on final, but knew how to slip it in and squeek it on the threshold, > but he forced me to go around. Yeah, I know, he was the instructor, but > good > grief... We could have landed it 10 times in the length of the runway! > BTW, > the instructor that taught me the shortfield work was a former missionary > bush pilot. During one training flight we landed a Cessna 172 crosswise on > a > wide runway. I got my early flight training on another treelined airport, > though, that had a 25' wide runway. In fact, the entire clearing of one of > the runways was not even 150' wide. Landing on that runway required that > you > almost stall the airplane as your wheels brush the branches of the 100' > trees at the end of the runway. This was the airport my dad flew out of > all > the time and it was as challenging as anything anywhere. The crosswinds > were > ALWAYS horrid and swirling and only one runway departure, of the four, > didn't have at least an 85' tree at the end. Did I mention the ever > present > deer on the runways or the fact that at no point in the pattern could you > see the entire runway? (That airport is now closed and the runways are > almost totally reclaimed by nature--good riddence) > > My point is, that you need to test to failure. Test to see just how far > you > can push an image. Learn and apply. As to the pushing of an image two or > more stops, that isn't unusual because we do a ton of highlight and shadow > recovery in our images which can far exceed two stops of manipulation. > > I personally continue to test my equipment, even though I think I know > everything there is to know about it because every time I do, I end up > learning something new. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 21:44:07 2009 Received: (qmail 18653 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 20:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 20:44:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED6FE1822B for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:44:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C98E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA3634AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:44:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D4E34AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:44:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:44:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so244866fgg.8 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:44:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.204 with SMTP id l12mr67514hbe.36.1259786640048; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:44:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8CC41A219963910-1D2C-AE73@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC41A219963910-1D2C-AE73@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:43:59 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1005a40c921f83f6 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] question for Dr. Battery X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 21:44:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16d197153741220213263 > > These tests do not compare high rate capacity, but even at these rates > the Eneloops demonstrate lower internal resistance/higher voltage as > demonstrated by the mWh being a bit higher than the competitors. > So we might guess the Eneloops would have a bigger advantage at high > discharge rates in comparison to competitors in this group. > As my primary usage for AA rechargeables is in camera flashes, I'll take lower internal resistance over higher voltage any day of the week. When I rebuilt the T45 battery pack this was one major consideration. Do I replace the cells with NiCds or NiHd batteries. The current draw of the T45 is so extreme that I opted for the NiCds as they are better able to not only provide the current without voltage drop, but do so without damaging the cells. Full dump recycling of the flash in two seconds and I have yet to wear the pack completely down yet even after 150+ full dumps. Yes, things get pretty warm... AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 21:48:15 2009 Received: (qmail 15489 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 20:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 20:48:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6FBE1822D for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:48:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13B7E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF35F34AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:48:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4A234AC02B for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:48:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2493 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 20:48:09 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] question for Dr. Battery X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 21:48:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16d28f40905368819438 A guy on another list tells me he just bought some Duracells at Costo (with a $5 off coupon) that are clearly labeled "made in Japan". Net cost for 8 was 1.40/cell. My Chinese ones came from Home Depot and cost more like 3.25/cell. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Thanks, Dr. Battery. > > Mike > > > This website has some limited tests on various Eneloop competitors > including > the Sony and duracell cells. > > As Chuck mentioned, apparently Duracell has gone to Chinese made cells > now. > > http://www.stefanv.com/electronics/low_self_discharge.html > > These tests do not compare high rate capacity, but even at these rates > the > Eneloops demonstrate lower internal resistance/higher voltage as > demonstrated > by the mWh being a bit higher than the competitors. > So we might guess the Eneloops would have a bigger advantage at high > discharge > rates in comparison to competitors in this group. > > tim Hughes > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 21:51:10 2009 Received: (qmail 24972 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 20:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 20:51:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F431E181AC for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:51:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECA1E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:51:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52ACE1CD485 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:51:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912541CD48A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:51:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4742 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 20:51:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 21:51:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16d33e196051560218263 Vista to 7 is a much easier road than XP to 7. Chuck Norcutt Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Thanks for the advice guys. I purchased a new Compaq laptop a few months > ago when all the local stores were slashing prices in anticipation of the > release of Windows 7. It came with Vista but with a free upgrade to Windows > 7. I did the installation last night and it went smoothly. They supply two > DVD's; one of which is the Windows 7 Advisor and the other the OS disk. The > install took about 3 hours but went without a hitch. Advisor recommended > that I uninstall some HP games and recommended a new keyboard filter (latest > Compaq driver fixed that issue). The version I have is the 32 bit Home > Premium, so no XP compatability mode. I've been reading however that 7 has > fewer problems with older software. In their efforts to make sure that > everything compatable with Vista would work with 7 they inadvertently made > it more compatable with programs that wouldn't work with Vista. So far they > have identified about 1200 programs that will run on 7 but not on Vista. > Sounds like someone at Microsoft screwed up big time. ;^) > Tonight I will try installing PSE 4.0 and an XP compatable version of > Family Tree Maker. Neither of these would install on Vista so maybe I'll get > lucky. > > Charlie > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Ian Nichols wrote: > >> 2009/12/1 Charles Geilfuss : >>> Greetings All, >>> Have any of you had experience with Windows 7 running older software; >>> specifically software that would run on XP but not on Vista? >> No personal experience, but did you know that Windows 7 Professional >> and Ultimate have a facility to run applications in XP compatibility >> mode? That might help you out. >> >> Personally, I'm holding off as long as possible for a couple of >> reasons. Firstly, I'll have to install from scratch, including >> reinstalling all apps, which will be a bit of a pain. Secondly, and >> more seriously, I have a SCSI flatbed and a SCSI film scanner that I'd >> like to keep using. It looks like that's going to be a problem >> because of limited driver support for the SCSI card, and none at all >> if I opt for the 64-bit version over 32-bit. I could move the >> scanners over to another PC and keep that one running XP, but then I'd >> have to keep moving the Huey & monitor around to keep the monitor >> calibration. Unless I buy more hardware, but I'd rather spend the >> money on lenses. >> >> >> -- >> Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience >> prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* >> naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is >> no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. >> >> -Daria Morgendorffer >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 21:59:04 2009 Received: (qmail 13204 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 20:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 20:59:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7DDE181A3 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF58E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C4C34AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:58:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4631A34AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:58:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so735127fxm.28 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:58:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.33 with SMTP id q33mr68802hba.126.1259787531517; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:58:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0E2F8547146D43908F6A7102B2E6F6F3@jimnichols> References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B166630.3070400@chucknorcutt.com> <6E0E8E440DCC4A17B0137DF439A0FCCE@MAIN> <4B16BB90.2060803@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16BEE3.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> <0E2F8547146D43908F6A7102B2E6F6F3@jimnichols> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:58:51 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f00b6d04cd09d5aa Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 21:59:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16d518281342517112723 > > As a former pilot, I respect your position. Instructors like that end up > getting people killed. I used to routinely fly my family in and out of an > 1800-ft runway in a Tri-Pacer. It teaches one to learn what the machine > will and will not do. > Oh, the flying milk stool. Fully loaded on a summer day, the Tri-Pacer had the rate of climb of a river barge. There was one based at our tiny airport and the owner couldn't clear the trees if he was at gross. He then converted it to a taildragger (Pacer) and the performance improvement was substantial. Another pilot had the Colt, but that poor thing couldn't clear it's own throat, much less the trees at gross weight. I love the published specifications for those airplanes. I think the climb speed is based on a climb prop, but the cruise speed is based on a cruise prop. Pick one or the other, but not both. But they were fun to fly in. I have a soft spot for tubular steel frames and fabric covered wings. 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(VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] A link from another list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 22:05:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16d6a9182971342116753 I picked this up from the Epson scanners list on Yahoo. It's worth a visit. Enjoy. Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 22:07:45 2009 Received: (qmail 22669 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 21:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 21:07:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11ADAE1822C for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23331E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:07:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0426D1CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:07:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0661CD485 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:07:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:07:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so745100fxm.28 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:07:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.143.212 with SMTP id l20mr63447hba.210.1259788057790; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:07:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B16D09D.4000307@chucknorcutt.com> References: <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> <4B16D09D.4000307@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:07:37 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: de9d203b7d6c8ad8 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Update : Re: how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 22:07:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16d72137647801554290 > > A friend of mine made a 24x36 poster print from a portrait of his > daughter taken with a 3 MP Canon D30. Looks pretty good from 2 feet away. > Doesn't surprise me at all, Michael Richtmann claimed that the D30 files were better than 35mm Provia files. :) AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 22:10:01 2009 Received: (qmail 29144 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 21:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 21:10:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21BF1E18236 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:10:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9344CE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CAC34AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:09:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8CB34AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:09:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:09:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so747539fxm.28 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:09:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.33 with SMTP id q33mr70133hba.126.1259788193763; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:09:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B16D335.6070609@chucknorcutt.com> References: <14883a8b0912011340m53ccc096vc1e8c27684d81849@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0912020717h26a1c958h51d04ead73ef4b12@mail.gmail.com> <4B16D335.6070609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:09:52 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9be4d0bd70bb44f9 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 22:10:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16d7a915816107113666 > > Vista to 7 is a much easier road than XP to 7. > And I should upgrade from XP why? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 22:18:37 2009 Received: (qmail 5392 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 21:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 21:18:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39BFE18228 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7BAE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D911CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:18:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013821CD485 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:18:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24982 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 21:18:27 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 22:18:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16d9ad45681744846740 I would push to specification limits (not necessarily failure) if I were the software test manager at Adobe. Since I'm not that I'm only concerned if the software behaves appropriately for the images and conditions that I feed it. This certainly looks like an ACR bug and may or may not be constrained to the 5DMkII. I've never seen anything like it before but I don't own a MkII and I've never tried nor do I intend to try to push 4 stops. I'm generally very impressed with the code/design quality of PhotoShop and ACR. In the 5 years I've been using these products I can only recall one bug that's bad enough to remember. ACR 3 has a memory leak that causes failure after converting a large number of images (maybe 70 or 80). It fails with an out of memory error trying to write a converted image and continues to fail the same way until you get to the end of a batch. I try to remember to restart PS periodically if I'm processing a bunch of images. If it does fail you will lose your sidecar editing files... which is what makes this bug memorable. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Sounds like a bug in ACR. > > > > You are just waiting for me to jump right up on my anti-Adobe soapbox here, > aren't you? > > Well, guess what. I'm not. But I am about to launch on us photographers who > blindly trust that it's ________ therefore it's wonderful. Fill in the blank > with whatever you want. > > Unless a person does their own testing and analysis and pushing the limits > of things, you're subject to whatever whims of design flaws that might come > your way. > > When I was taking flying lessons, I fired one of my instructors because he > taught only the straight and level and not how to recover from the the > problem attitudes. He refused to take the airplane to a stall, but when > things started feeling rough (5 kts above stall) he'd shove the throttle > back in, level the plane and say "close enough". When he said that he > didn't believe in short-field operations and that the 10,000 foot runways > were good enough for training on, I had enough of him. The fact was, by that > point I already knew how to shortfield/softfield land a Cessna 172 and bring > it to a complete stop in well under 300 feet, so I knew the guy was > worthless. I asked him about slips and he said that he didn't teach them. I > asked him how I was going to pass the checkride, and he said something to > the effect that he sends all his students to this one check pilot who > doesn't push the issue. PS, on one approach to a 10000' runway I was way > high on final, but knew how to slip it in and squeek it on the threshold, > but he forced me to go around. Yeah, I know, he was the instructor, but good > grief... We could have landed it 10 times in the length of the runway! BTW, > the instructor that taught me the shortfield work was a former missionary > bush pilot. During one training flight we landed a Cessna 172 crosswise on a > wide runway. I got my early flight training on another treelined airport, > though, that had a 25' wide runway. In fact, the entire clearing of one of > the runways was not even 150' wide. Landing on that runway required that you > almost stall the airplane as your wheels brush the branches of the 100' > trees at the end of the runway. This was the airport my dad flew out of all > the time and it was as challenging as anything anywhere. The crosswinds were > ALWAYS horrid and swirling and only one runway departure, of the four, > didn't have at least an 85' tree at the end. Did I mention the ever present > deer on the runways or the fact that at no point in the pattern could you > see the entire runway? (That airport is now closed and the runways are > almost totally reclaimed by nature--good riddence) > > My point is, that you need to test to failure. Test to see just how far you > can push an image. Learn and apply. As to the pushing of an image two or > more stops, that isn't unusual because we do a ton of highlight and shadow > recovery in our images which can far exceed two stops of manipulation. > > I personally continue to test my equipment, even though I think I know > everything there is to know about it because every time I do, I end up > learning something new. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 22:23:16 2009 Received: (qmail 1356 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 21:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 21:23:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BD0E1822E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15732E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE20834AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:23:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827A234AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:23:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28331 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 21:23:08 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091202-0, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 22:23:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16dac45041744846740 I didn't say you should. But if I were to do it it would be to get to 64 bits. I think that's the only thing that can justify the pain. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Vista to 7 is a much easier road than XP to 7. >> > > And I should upgrade from XP why? > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 22:30:04 2009 Received: (qmail 2719 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 21:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 21:30:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F42E18214 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FAAE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB181CD494 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:29:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157ED1CD492 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:29:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:29:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so768719fxm.28 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:29:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.185.76 with SMTP id b12mr73307hbh.53.1259789395617; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:29:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B16DABB.6060801@chucknorcutt.com> References: <14883a8b0912011340m53ccc096vc1e8c27684d81849@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0912020717h26a1c958h51d04ead73ef4b12@mail.gmail.com> <4B16D335.6070609@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16DABB.6060801@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:29:55 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6809daf94bec474b Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 22:30:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16dc5c219311612113968 > > I didn't say you should. But if I were to do it it would be to get to > 64 bits. I think that's the only thing that can justify the pain. > Well, when the 17 layers of duct-tape holding my laptop together finally fails, I suppose getting a new computer with "7" installed isn't a bad thing. Upgrading would definitely be a mess, though. As it is now, whenever I insert a memory card into the slot, it doubles the price of my computer. Kinda like filling the gas tank on a clunker. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 22:35:41 2009 Received: (qmail 24209 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 21:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 21:35:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E03E181CF for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2624E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF4534AC029 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:35:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38E734AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:35:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091202213533.ZKGN19505.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:35:33 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id CMbY1d00G4Z9Gks02MbYU5; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:35:33 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=9tK8qDocUdHyTh4SuMJ11C5D7LU6fiUPuCNIFLAEGU4= c=1 sm=1 a=0qXaw2Y264oA:10 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:17 a=xjW31z2RAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=w9Tmvk78_DumRwyHQwEA:9 a=MelzI7tAZWqtdrNt5N0A:7 a=jBOS1icS5bTrCjOl9RdgyN5urgAA:4 a=IKds56vswl8A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <278B249F563943868912C76BF2FAE008@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN><4B16D09D.4000307@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:35:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Update : Re: how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 22:35:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16ddad12353900897491 But, that's the guy that said that his G10 files looked better than film from his Hasselblad. Owing both, I thihnk he's had too much Moosehead! Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Update : Re: how many megapixels here? > > >> A friend of mine made a 24x36 poster print from a portrait of his >> daughter taken with a 3 MP Canon D30. Looks pretty good from 2 feet >> away. >> > > Doesn't surprise me at all, Michael Richtmann claimed that the D30 files > were better than 35mm Provia files. > > :) > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.90/2540 - Release Date: 12/02/09 07:33:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 22:52:44 2009 Received: (qmail 8203 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 21:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 21:52:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FC9E18236 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590F5E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A02034AC028 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:52:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8068A34AC029 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:52:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18985 invoked by uid 504); 2 Dec 2009 21:52:36 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 22:52:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16e1ac46872439112457 You didn't catch the smiley which, even if it wasn't there, is always inferred when AG talks about Michael Reichmann. :-) Chuck Norcutt Sue Pearce wrote: > But, that's the guy that said that his G10 files looked better than film > from his Hasselblad. Owing both, I thihnk he's had too much Moosehead! > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:07 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] Update : Re: how many megapixels here? > > >>> A friend of mine made a 24x36 poster print from a portrait of his >>> daughter taken with a 3 MP Canon D30. Looks pretty good from 2 feet >>> away. >>> >> Doesn't surprise me at all, Michael Richtmann claimed that the D30 files >> were better than 35mm Provia files. >> >> :) >> >> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.90/2540 - Release Date: 12/02/09 > 07:33:00 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 23:00:15 2009 Received: (qmail 21205 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 22:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 22:00:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27669F54011 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF0EE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592E63618001 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:00:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FC534AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:00:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so797832fxm.28 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:00:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.204 with SMTP id u12mr68188hbu.81.1259791205980; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:00:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B16E1A3.2050604@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4B16D09D.4000307@chucknorcutt.com> <278B249F563943868912C76BF2FAE008@SueHome> <4B16E1A3.2050604@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:00:05 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8d6635a70018f03e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Update : Re: how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 23:00:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16e36f80421879814018 > > You didn't catch the smiley which, even if it wasn't there, is always > inferred when AG talks about Michael Reichmann. :-) > Guilty as charged. If I believed everything Reichmann says, I'd have mortgaged the wife and kids 27 times over and my images would still suck. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 23:06:23 2009 Received: (qmail 21736 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 22:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 22:06:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC35CE18236 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:06:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11917E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7701CD494 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:06:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA461CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:06:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:06:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CExn1d0050lTkoCA7N6J3f; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:06:18 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CN6H1d00H2Axmu48QN6Hsa; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:06:18 +0000 Message-ID: <9631F7C1AA3246B8B0936E33E562FD45@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> <4B16CD82.9020902@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B16CD82.9020902@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:06:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 23:06:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16e4df64401006886880 If everyone would use ppi for image resolution and leave dpi to printer resolution it would eliminate a major confusion factor. Even the author's of books interchange them indiscriminately. BTW, I have put a couple of images on pbase at: http://www.pbase.com/pelaughlin/sadie These are of my neighbor's dog, taken with an Oly C2100 UZ camera. The first one is out of the camera. The second has been cropped and resized to 12" x 18" at 200 ppi. I printed it on an Epson 1270 and it came out nice. At least to my eye. VBG The C2100 UZ is a 1.92 Megapixel camera. I just bring this up as an example of how it is not all a matter of megapixels. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > You have fallen victim to the printer manufacturer's marketing wars with > respect to the resolution of their printers. The dpi they're referring > to there is the size of smallest dot that can be produced of any one > color. Actual pixel representations on paper are composed of multiple > printer ink dots comprising multiple colors and it takes a bunch of them > to build up one pixel's worth. If you're printing with an image > resolution of 300 dpi and at best photo resolution of 1400 dpi the > printer has near 5 (1400/300) dot positions where it can lay down > multiple tiny ink dots to build that one pixel (or dot since it's now on > the paper) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 2 23:09:57 2009 Received: (qmail 25858 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 22:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 22:09:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE06BF54006 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:09:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47F5E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F121CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:09:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBC81CD485 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:09:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10666 invoked by uid 502); 2 Dec 2009 22:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.201.11) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 2 Dec 2009 22:09:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4B16E5A3.7070901@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:09:39 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> <6E9421EB083449C3A0C518B7DEF09C0F@MAIN> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 2 23:09:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16e5b557421220213263 Tom Fenwick wrote: > This is the exif from the image shown on the web which appears to be a photograph of the mounted print John has seen. I suppose it's possible that the same camera was used to produce the original image, but there's no > reason to assume so... > Look more closely at the web image. The frame is a set of four frame image pieces arranged around a single image of the scene alone. That doesn't mean you are necessarily wrong, but I can't see any reason for someone to take a picture of his picture, then putting it in a virtual frame, rather than simply downsizing it for the web. > 2009/12/2 C.H.Ling > >> Sorry, if EXIF shown it was an EOS-1DS it is the first 11MP version. Agreed. The full EXIF data shows a sensor resolution of about 2886 ppi, which calculates out to just over 11 MP. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 00:18:49 2009 Received: (qmail 16092 invoked by uid 0); 2 Dec 2009 23:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 23:18:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339D3F5400E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7247BE240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8A31CD492 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:18:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992231CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:18:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jon@jonmitch.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:18:40 -0800 (PST) X-Trace: 300600525/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/80.47.242.13/None/jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 80.47.242.13 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqEEAL2EFktQL/IN/2dsb2JhbACRb8YuhDEEgWo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,331,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="300600525" Received: from 80-47-242-13.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com (HELO MEDIAPC) ([80.47.242.13]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 02 Dec 2009 23:18:37 +0000 From: "Jon Mitchell" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:18:41 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4B16D335.6070609@chucknorcutt.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091202-1, 02/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 00:18:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b16f5d9215161076813867 Vista to 7 is a much easier road than XP to 7. Chuck Norcutt Yes, but ..... XP to 7 is much easier than XP to Vista to 7 .... no ? In fact, my experience of Vista is that XP to Win98 would probably be easier (and better). Windoze 7 is what Vista should have been. All reports so far seem to have Windows 7 as a bit of a winner. And supposedly they have tackled the "old hardware" compatability issues with the XP compatability mode .... time will tell how successful that is I suppose. When things have settled down a bit I will be doing something totally new to me .... upgrading PC & OS at the same time. Partly because the PC is getting old now, but partly out of necessity as to run the new OS will take pretty much every drop of power & ram that this thing has (and runs quite happily with XP, CS2, etc). Jon -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 01:17:24 2009 Received: (qmail 18000 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 00:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 00:17:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82286F5401E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB391E240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFAE1CD48E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:17:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330C81CD495 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:17:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so301015fgg.8 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:17:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.81.2 with SMTP id i2mr282085mul.81.1259799435594; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:17:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <0FB796AF-2779-493C-949E-6237C9028399@ctgonline.org> <4B149125.3040601@gmail.com> <4B14BD9C.7060606@ctgonline.org> <9f07ac840912010301v38eb668ay14600b2970218623@mail.gmail.com> <4B1564E7.1080005@ctgonline.org> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:17:15 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912021617y49c429ebq3f46e499912c003b@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] P&S - narrowed the list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 01:17:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b170394187891258626592 Agree. I like the Stylus which don't protrude its zoom. Period. Then, that they may resist a small plunge, rain, or dropping - just in case. I will not go scuba or plain ping-pong with them. Fernando. 2009/12/1 Ken Norton : > You need to establish your own requirements and allow for > the fact that a camera might not be "best", but is perfectly acceptable to > you. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 01:18:51 2009 Received: (qmail 32112 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 00:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 00:18:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D49F5400C for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:18:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88026E240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733BC34AC025 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 01:19:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17042a70287801554290 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Agree. > > I like the Stylus which don't protrude its zoom. Period. > > Then, that they may resist a small plunge, rain, or dropping - just in case. > I will not go scuba or plain ping-pong with them. > > Fernando. > I prefer my standard fixed-length Stylus over the zoom. The Sylus Zoom, which I also have, was a lot bulkier and I really don't like the little flash that pops up. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March "Music washes from the soul the dust of everyday life" - Harlan Howard -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 01:26:11 2009 Received: (qmail 22645 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 00:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 00:26:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A41F5401E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239D0E240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144321CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:26:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1641CD48E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:26:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:26:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so440149fge.8 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:26:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.102.148.15 with SMTP id v15mr294810mud.55.1259799964205; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:26:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B170425.8030502@ctgonline.org> References: <0FB796AF-2779-493C-949E-6237C9028399@ctgonline.org> <4B149125.3040601@gmail.com> <4B14BD9C.7060606@ctgonline.org> <9f07ac840912010301v38eb668ay14600b2970218623@mail.gmail.com> <4B1564E7.1080005@ctgonline.org> <6f8422750912021617y49c429ebq3f46e499912c003b@mail.gmail.com> <4B170425.8030502@ctgonline.org> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:26:04 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912021626l1a5dc711y5df47b889ecb9120@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] P&S - narrowed the list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 01:26:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1705a395887801554290 So would I - but I thought this thread was on digital P&S ... , the Stylus I'm referring to are those which started with the 720SW, and are now 8000, and named Tough. Think those always come with a 3x zoom only. Fernando. 2009/12/2 Paul Braun : > > I prefer my standard fixed-length Stylus over the zoom. =A0The Sylus Zoom, > which I also have, was a lot bulkier and I really don't like the little > flash that pops up. > > -- > > > > Paul Braun > Valparaiso, IN -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 01:31:26 2009 Received: (qmail 9301 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 00:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 00:31:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2678AF5402B for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C042E240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5066C1CD48E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:31:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B6D1CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:31:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (cygnus@ctgonline.org whitelisted) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14525 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2009 18:31:07 -0600 Received-SPF: none (no valid SPF record) Received: from pool-96-248-134-223.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.248.134.223) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 18:31:07 -0600 Message-ID: <4B1706D7.1010400@ctgonline.org> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:31:19 -0600 From: Paul Braun User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <0FB796AF-2779-493C-949E-6237C9028399@ctgonline.org> <4B149125.3040601@gmail.com> <4B14BD9C.7060606@ctgonline.org> <9f07ac840912010301v38eb668ay14600b2970218623@mail.gmail.com> <4B1564E7.1080005@ctgonline.org> <6f8422750912021617y49c429ebq3f46e499912c003b@mail.gmail.com> <4B170425.8030502@ctgonline.org> <6f8422750912021626l1a5dc711y5df47b889ecb9120@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6f8422750912021626l1a5dc711y5df47b889ecb9120@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] P&S - narrowed the list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 01:31:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1706de38481006886880 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > So would I - but I thought this thread was on digital P&S ... , the > Stylus I'm referring to are those which started with the 720SW, and > are now 8000, and named Tough. > Think those always come with a 3x zoom only. > > Fernando. > > 2009/12/2 Paul Braun : > >> I prefer my standard fixed-length Stylus over the zoom. The Sylus Zoom, >> which I also have, was a lot bulkier and I really don't like the little >> flash that pops up. >> Ahh. Oops. Yes, this thread is about digital. I got all confused... I handled one of those this past weekend, and they do, in fact, feel very solid. However, one of the things I'd really like is good low-light performance, and the Fuji seems to do much better than the Olympii. That's really the one thing about my E-1 that makes me jealous of the Canyon guys - I often have opportunity to shoot friends in concert, and I'm always struggling with the low-light limitations of the E-1. But the ergonomics and other-than-low-light IQ keeps me happy. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March "Music washes from the soul the dust of everyday life" - Harlan Howard -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 01:58:40 2009 Received: (qmail 29022 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 00:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 00:58:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F72F54019 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:58:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5689E240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AE234AC026 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:58:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD2D34AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:58:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.123]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB30wXVn002570 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:58:33 +1100 Message-Id: <200912030058.nB30wXVn002570@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail09.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:58:33 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:58:33 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 01:58:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b170d4024681136683642 > Paul Laughlin wrote: > > VBG The C2100 UZ is a 1.92 Megapixel camera. I > just > bring this up as an example of how it is not all a matter of megapixels. > Paul in Portland OR > Paul, have you tried the C2100UZ for IR ? Put an R72 filter on it and take a look ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 02:11:12 2009 Received: (qmail 28647 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 01:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 01:11:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B5FF54030 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6ACE240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71571CD495 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:11:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B751CD498 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:11:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7989 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2009 01:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 01:09:16 -0000 Message-Id: <528E9C28-B4AD-49C0-ABB9-2A7D1DA45123@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:11:03 +1100 References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> <0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN> <4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B166630.3070400@chucknorcutt.com> <6E0E8E440DCC4A17B0137DF439A0FCCE@MAIN> <4B16BB90.2060803@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16BEE3.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 02:11:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17103033681006886880 Nah, I'll just go around! :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/12/2009, at 7:31 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > I personally continue to test my equipment, even though I think I know > everything there is to know about it because every time I do, I end up > learning something new. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 02:15:42 2009 Received: (qmail 18020 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 01:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 01:15:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07267F54023 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:15:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BAA5E240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031CC1CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:15:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0691CD48E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:15:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9609 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2009 01:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 01:13:45 -0000 Message-Id: <76147F21-1122-44D6-BFCA-7BA112E4F416@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <6f8422750912021626l1a5dc711y5df47b889ecb9120@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:15:32 +1100 References: <0FB796AF-2779-493C-949E-6237C9028399@ctgonline.org> <4B149125.3040601@gmail.com> <4B14BD9C.7060606@ctgonline.org> <9f07ac840912010301v38eb668ay14600b2970218623@mail.gmail.com> <4B1564E7.1080005@ctgonline.org> <6f8422750912021617y49c429ebq3f46e499912c003b@mail.gmail.com> <4B170425.8030502@ctgonline.org> <6f8422750912021626l1a5dc711y5df47b889ecb9120@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] P&S - narrowed the list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 02:15:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17113e132496789618724 Haven't used the 8000 but I have used the Tough 6000 and I was unimpressed. The colours were nice as usual with Oly but it was impossible to get a sharp image and the corners were as soft as porridge. It doesn't compare - even with those nice C2100 dog images of Paul's! (really nice by the way). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/12/2009, at 11:26 AM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > So would I - but I thought this thread was on digital P&S ... , the > Stylus I'm referring to are those which started with the 720SW, and > are now 8000, and named Tough. > Think those always come with a 3x zoom only. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 02:31:51 2009 Received: (qmail 10036 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 01:31:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 01:31:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277ADF54022 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFF6E240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E56B34AC027 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:31:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AE734AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB31VgTl006587 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:31:43 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> <0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B166630.3070400@chucknorcutt.com> <6E0E8E440DCC4A17B0137DF439A0FCCE@MAIN> <4B16BB90.2060803@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16BEE3.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16D9A3.8080009@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:31:34 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 02:31:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b171507316952439112457 Sorry, it is my fault to lead you into confusion about the error happen only during pushing.... NO, the color is wrong even you do not push it. Just check the darker grey values without pushing with the RAW file. I seen problem with LX-1 file also, so I will not trust ACR. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" >I would push to specification limits (not necessarily failure) if I were > the software test manager at Adobe. Since I'm not that I'm only > concerned if the software behaves appropriately for the images and > conditions that I feed it. This certainly looks like an ACR bug and may > or may not be constrained to the 5DMkII. I've never seen anything like > it before but I don't own a MkII and I've never tried nor do I intend to > try to push 4 stops. > > I'm generally very impressed with the code/design quality of PhotoShop > and ACR. In the 5 years I've been using these products I can only > recall one bug that's bad enough to remember. ACR 3 has a memory leak > that causes failure after converting a large number of images (maybe 70 > or 80). It fails with an out of memory error trying to write a > converted image and continues to fail the same way until you get to the > end of a batch. I try to remember to restart PS periodically if I'm > processing a bunch of images. If it does fail you will lose your > sidecar editing files... which is what makes this bug memorable. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 02:45:05 2009 Received: (qmail 26649 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 01:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 01:45:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004E0F54028 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:45:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B67E240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CE51CD495 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:44:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C041CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:44:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB31iv6N009373 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:44:57 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <6CBA449E0F754AB9B5753BF5C6938D90@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B16D09D.4000307@chucknorcutt.com><278B249F563943868912C76BF2FAE008@SueHome><4B16E1A3.2050604@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:44:36 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Update : Re: how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 02:45:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b171821129601413256596 I had the some arguments in other photo News Group during that time, this guys probable know nothing about scanning, RDP III and using proper lens for testing. It was more ridiculous when talking about the lens used (100-400L), poeple just say L lens must be not bad. That lead me to purchase the E-10 (4MP) and show them samples of how a better shot/scanned image compare with a 4MP camera. This also leaded me to stop visiting the Luminous-landscape site, I really hate to talk about this again. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > > >> You didn't catch the smiley which, even if it wasn't there, is always >> inferred when AG talks about Michael Reichmann. :-) >> > > > Guilty as charged. If I believed everything Reichmann says, I'd have > mortgaged the wife and kids 27 times over and my images would still suck. > > AG > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 02:54:12 2009 Received: (qmail 30495 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 01:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 01:54:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B285DF5402B for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:54:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E8BE240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4951CD48E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:54:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAB51CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:54:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.104]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB31s4lD025422 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:54:04 +1100 Message-Id: <200912030154.nB31s4lD025422@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail14.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:54:04 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:54:04 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] P&S - narrowed the list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 02:54:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b171a44141241076813867 > Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Haven't used the 8000 but I have used the Tough 6000 and I was > unimpressed. > The colours were nice as usual with Oly but it was impossible to get a > sharp image and the corners were as soft as porridge. > It doesn't compare - even with those nice C2100 dog images of Paul's! > (really nice by the way). > Yeah, well you knew the C2100UZ IS lens was supplied by Canon, or at least Oly and Canon got them from the same supplier. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 03:13:00 2009 Received: (qmail 18405 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 02:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 02:12:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5502EF5400A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8A8E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB5E1CD48E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:12:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73B91CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:12:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:12:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so944989fxm.28 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:12:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.126.32 with SMTP id d32mr330774mun.0.1259806373463; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:12:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <76147F21-1122-44D6-BFCA-7BA112E4F416@people.net.au> References: <0FB796AF-2779-493C-949E-6237C9028399@ctgonline.org> <4B149125.3040601@gmail.com> <4B14BD9C.7060606@ctgonline.org> <9f07ac840912010301v38eb668ay14600b2970218623@mail.gmail.com> <4B1564E7.1080005@ctgonline.org> <6f8422750912021617y49c429ebq3f46e499912c003b@mail.gmail.com> <4B170425.8030502@ctgonline.org> <6f8422750912021626l1a5dc711y5df47b889ecb9120@mail.gmail.com> <76147F21-1122-44D6-BFCA-7BA112E4F416@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:12:53 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912021812g21de6due64cefefb2aebb95@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] P&S - narrowed the list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 03:13:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b171eac44105368819438 Amazing - my humble 720SW, is acceptable sharp and not at all soft at the corners. Shall resize and upload a brickwall to Flickr right now. No postprocessing other than IntelloSharpen resize to 1280 Just a minute Fernando,. 2009/12/2 Andrew Fildes : > Haven't used the 8000 but I have used the Tough 6000 and I was > unimpressed. > The colours were nice as usual with Oly but it was impossible to get a > sharp image and the corners were as soft as porridge. > It doesn't compare - even with those nice C2100 dog images of Paul's! > (really nice by the way). > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 03/12/2009, at 11:26 AM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > >> So would I - but I thought this thread was on digital P&S ... , the >> Stylus I'm referring to are those which started with the 720SW, and >> are now 8000, and named Tough. >> Think those always come with a 3x zoom only. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 03:24:58 2009 Received: (qmail 32227 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 02:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 02:24:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E83F5403A for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:24:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB8FE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1D51CD493 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:24:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820F41CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:24:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so949901fxm.28 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:24:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.102.226.17 with SMTP id y17mr320129mug.67.1259807088772; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:24:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6f8422750912021812g21de6due64cefefb2aebb95@mail.gmail.com> References: <0FB796AF-2779-493C-949E-6237C9028399@ctgonline.org> <4B14BD9C.7060606@ctgonline.org> <9f07ac840912010301v38eb668ay14600b2970218623@mail.gmail.com> <4B1564E7.1080005@ctgonline.org> <6f8422750912021617y49c429ebq3f46e499912c003b@mail.gmail.com> <4B170425.8030502@ctgonline.org> <6f8422750912021626l1a5dc711y5df47b889ecb9120@mail.gmail.com> <76147F21-1122-44D6-BFCA-7BA112E4F416@people.net.au> <6f8422750912021812g21de6due64cefefb2aebb95@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:24:48 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912021824h161d6a8ew7b020e5257a430ea@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] P&S - narrowed the list X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 03:24:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17217a18361076813867 well, I admit it's a little soft at the corners. handheld in program mode - didn't check shutter speed, think white balance was on Auto. check the exif, please. warning: 1280 wide. Fernando. 2009/12/3 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile : > Amazing - my humble 720SW, is acceptable sharp and not at all soft at > the corners. > > Shall resize and upload a brickwall to Flickr right now. > No postprocessing other than IntelloSharpen resize to 1280 > > Just a minute > > Fernando,. > > 2009/12/2 Andrew Fildes : >> Haven't used the 8000 but I have used the Tough 6000 and I was >> unimpressed. >> The colours were nice as usual with Oly but it was impossible to get a >> sharp image and the corners were as soft as porridge. >> It doesn't compare - even with those nice C2100 dog images of Paul's! >> (really nice by the way). >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 03/12/2009, at 11:26 AM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> >>> So would I - but I thought this thread was on digital P&S ... , the >>> Stylus I'm referring to are those which started with the 720SW, and >>> are now 8000, and named Tough. >>> Think those always come with a 3x zoom only. >> > -- = Dr.Fernando Gonz=E1lez Gentile Av.L.P.Ponce 1526B 11600 Montevideo, Uruguay. Phone: +598 2 7084858 Fax: +598 2 7087396 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 03:33:09 2009 Received: (qmail 18955 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 02:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 02:33:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139ECF54013 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEFEE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:32:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD0E1CD495 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:32:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958831CD48E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:32:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:32:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21220 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2009 02:32:56 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091202-1, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 03:33:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b172365314041076813867 I could see that it was wrong without pushing since what should have been varying dark gray values were almost all zero immediately after opening the file in ACR. There is clearly an ACR bug and it occurs immediately on opening the file... no alterations required. The question is whether this is limited to the 5DMkII. If I get a chance (and remember tomorrow) I'll try shooting the ICC test chart with the 5D and see if it too fails to distinguish dark gray values. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Sorry, it is my fault to lead you into confusion about the error happen only > during pushing.... NO, the color is wrong even you do not push it. Just > check the darker grey values without pushing with the RAW file. I seen > problem with LX-1 file also, so I will not trust ACR. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> I would push to specification limits (not necessarily failure) if I were >> the software test manager at Adobe. Since I'm not that I'm only >> concerned if the software behaves appropriately for the images and >> conditions that I feed it. This certainly looks like an ACR bug and may >> or may not be constrained to the 5DMkII. I've never seen anything like >> it before but I don't own a MkII and I've never tried nor do I intend to >> try to push 4 stops. >> >> I'm generally very impressed with the code/design quality of PhotoShop >> and ACR. In the 5 years I've been using these products I can only >> recall one bug that's bad enough to remember. ACR 3 has a memory leak >> that causes failure after converting a large number of images (maybe 70 >> or 80). It fails with an out of memory error trying to write a >> converted image and continues to fail the same way until you get to the >> end of a batch. I try to remember to restart PS periodically if I'm >> processing a bunch of images. If it does fail you will lose your >> sidecar editing files... which is what makes this bug memorable. :-) >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 03:36:24 2009 Received: (qmail 13292 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 02:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 02:36:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93664F54028 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00522E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:36:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F74A34AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:35:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B1134AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:35:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:35:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22592 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2009 02:35:58 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091202-1, 12/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 03:36:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b172428105391612113968 I think XP to 7 is like going cold turkey. XP to Vista to 7 is probably just slow, drawn out torture. Chuck Norcutt Jon Mitchell wrote: > > > Vista to 7 is a much easier road than XP to 7. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Yes, but ..... > > XP to 7 is much easier than XP to Vista to 7 .... no ? > > In fact, my experience of Vista is that XP to Win98 would probably be > easier (and better). Windoze 7 is what Vista should have been. All > reports so far seem to have Windows 7 as a bit of a winner. And > supposedly they have tackled the "old hardware" compatability issues > with the XP compatability mode .... time will tell how successful that > is I suppose. > > When things have settled down a bit I will be doing something totally > new to me .... upgrading PC & OS at the same time. Partly because the > PC is getting old now, but partly out of necessity as to run the new OS > will take pretty much every drop of power & ram that this thing has (and > runs quite happily with XP, CS2, etc). > > Jon > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 04:06:50 2009 Received: (qmail 29953 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 03:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 03:06:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7467F54009 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB034E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E2D1CD48E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:06:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE041CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:06:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail108c26.carrierzone.com (mail108c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.118]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:06:44 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail108c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id nB336e11018853 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:06:43 GMT Message-ID: <0D480A8734144EFB90462B7F3F61EA0A@jimnichols> From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN><4B166630.3070400@chucknorcutt.com><6E0E8E440DCC4A17B0137DF439A0FCCE@MAIN><4B16BB90.2060803@chucknorcutt.com><4B16BEE3.1020103@chucknorcutt.com><0E2F8547146D43908F6A7102B2E6F6F3@jimnichols> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:07:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 04:06:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b172b4a181671946193717 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [OM] 5D II pattern noise problem > Oh, the flying milk stool. Fully loaded on a summer day, the Tri-Pacer had > the rate of climb of a river barge. There was one based at our tiny > airport > and the owner couldn't clear the trees if he was at gross. He then > converted > it to a taildragger (Pacer) and the performance improvement was > substantial. > Another pilot had the Colt, but that poor thing couldn't clear it's own > throat, much less the trees at gross weight. > > I love the published specifications for those airplanes. I think the climb > speed is based on a climb prop, but the cruise speed is based on a cruise > prop. Pick one or the other, but not both. > > But they were fun to fly in. I have a soft spot for tubular steel frames > and > fabric covered wings. > > AG The early, 125-hp PA-22s could be equipped with two-position props, so you could have it both ways. I flew the 135-hp, and later the 150s, and they performed pretty well. With half-flaps for takeoff, and full-flaps for landings, I could outperform Cessna 172s, and get a little faster cruise to boot. They were not pretty and shiny, but the old chrome-moly steel tubing and fabric were tough, and easy to repair. You were correct about the Colt. Underpowered and no flaps, it was strictly a round-the-patch trainer. Jim Nichols (Without a Medical Certificate since 1992) > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 04:40:40 2009 Received: (qmail 18205 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 03:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 03:40:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA54F54030 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC03E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05121CD48E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:40:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E991CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:40:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CTMj1d0081bwxycA5Tga70; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:40:34 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CTge1d01L2Axmu48eTgfj7; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:40:39 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <200912030058.nB30wXVn002570@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200912030058.nB30wXVn002570@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:40:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 04:40:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b173338298451560218263 I never got into IR, although there was quite a bit of it posted through the Oly C2100 mail group. I actually passed the C2100 on to my daughter. Although, I have recently been trying to talk her into bringing it back. LOL I passed on a KM Z5 to her a couple of years ago. Just would hate to see that C2100 get wasted. One of a kind. The lens was a Canon product and too expensive to make for point and shoot cameras. That camera originally listed for $1000 SRP, as I remember. Of course, my memory is not as good as it once was. LOL I did notice that the date in the EXIF for the original dog image is wrong. The picture was taken sometime in the summer of 2001. I didn't get the camera until February of that year. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? > > Paul, have you tried the C2100UZ for IR ? > Put an R72 filter on it and take a look ! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 06:56:45 2009 Received: (qmail 12545 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 05:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 05:56:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE719F54020 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5C6E24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAC61CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:56:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CE61CD48E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:56:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:56:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13577 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2009 05:54:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 05:54:43 -0000 Message-Id: <89749B5E-0481-4D0E-8F93-C9BEBAF96DF1@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:56:31 +1100 References: <200912030058.nB30wXVn002570@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 06:56:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17531d253852013633067 Well, Feb. is in the summer, right? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/12/2009, at 2:40 PM, Paul Laughlin wrote: > The picture was taken sometime in the summer of 2001. > I didn't get the camera until February of that year. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 07:01:54 2009 Received: (qmail 25922 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 06:01:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 06:01:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA087F5400B for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A25CE24AA2 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:01:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA851CD48E for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:01:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30981CD486 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:01:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so1098352ewy.30 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.107.131 with SMTP id b3mr955590ebp.91.1259820103377; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.6? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm1138168ewy.8.2009.12.02.22.01.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:01:42 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:01:41 +0000 Message-Id: <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 07:01:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b175452276731342116753 Jon, you're a Brit, there are no excuses ... Whatever the OS (:-)) it's "compatibility". Chris On 2 Dec 2009, at 23:18, Jon Mitchell wrote: > compatability -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 07:13:11 2009 Received: (qmail 31328 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 06:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 06:13:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73FBF54006 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:13:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21EFE240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B162134AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:13:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5629B34AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:13:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (pool-98-119-92-33.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [98.119.92.33]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id KAJ55810 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:13:03 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:13:02 -0800 Message-Id: References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 07:13:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1756f7321342517112723 =85 says the chap who put the full-stop (period, for you yanks) *outside* t= he quotation marks? /s On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Jon, you're a Brit, there are no excuses ... > = > Whatever the OS (:-)) it's "compatibility". > = > Chris > = > On 2 Dec 2009, at 23:18, Jon Mitchell wrote: > = >> compatability > = > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 07:18:06 2009 Received: (qmail 16078 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 06:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 06:18:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B690F54023 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FE8E240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1DA34AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:18:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE3234AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:17:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.214.80]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (pool-98-119-92-33.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [98.119.92.33]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id LPB54112 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:17:58 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:17:57 -0800 Message-Id: References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: [OM] english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 07:18:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17581e94081413256596 err, mixed US/UK style. too much tea. mea culpa. /s On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:13 PM, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > =85 says the chap who put the full-stop (period, for you yanks) *outside*= the quotation marks? > /s > = > On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > = >> Jon, you're a Brit, there are no excuses ... >> = >> Whatever the OS (:-)) it's "compatibility". >> = >> Chris >> = >> On 2 Dec 2009, at 23:18, Jon Mitchell wrote: >> = >>> compatability >> = >> -- = >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> = > = > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 07:34:02 2009 Received: (qmail 9841 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 06:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 06:34:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73974F54026 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:34:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7126DE240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571291CD498 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:33:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B941CD495 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:33:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com (mail-ew0-f214.google.com [209.85.219.214]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so1058331ewy.9 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.104.5 with SMTP id m5mr1189323ebo.40.1259822035382; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm1144191ewy.12.2009.12.02.22.33.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:33:54 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:33:53 +0000 Message-Id: References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 07:34:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b175bda138056107113666 Hey I liked your photo on Facebook, Siddiq. V. cool. Chris On 3 Dec 2009, at 06:17, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > err, mixed US/UK style. too much tea. mea culpa. > = > /s > = > On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:13 PM, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > = >> =85 says the chap who put the full-stop (period, for you yanks) *outside= * the quotation marks? >> /s >> = >> On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Chris Barker wrote: >> = >>> Jon, you're a Brit, there are no excuses ... >>> = >>> Whatever the OS (:-)) it's "compatibility". >> = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 07:57:52 2009 Received: (qmail 23287 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 06:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 06:57:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EC7F54008 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:57:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B391BE240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F47834AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:57:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9D134AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:57:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (pool-98-119-92-33.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [98.119.92.33]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id KAJ91133 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:57:44 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:57:42 -0800 Message-Id: <5587459A-8CA0-45F6-95C7-F05B3BFB9161@ucr.edu> References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 07:57:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b176170278521076813867 thx.. (for the rest of you non FB folk, public link to the gallery Chris is= probably referring to is below) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=3D2057461&id=3D6313229&l=3D43c1c132c1 most recent additions are at the end. almost all of those are Oly and most = of *those* are Zuiko 50mm or 200mm (as noted). one D90+16-85VR and two of A= 100+10-20 shots in for good measure, rounded out by few E10 shots. On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Hey I liked your photo on Facebook, Siddiq. V. cool. > = > Chris > = > On 3 Dec 2009, at 06:17, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > = >> err, mixed US/UK style. too much tea. mea culpa. >> = >> /s >> = >> On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:13 PM, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: >> = >>> =85 says the chap who put the full-stop (period, for you yanks) *outsid= e* the quotation marks? >>> /s >>> = >>> On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Chris Barker wrote: >>> = >>>> Jon, you're a Brit, there are no excuses ... >>>> = >>>> Whatever the OS (:-)) it's "compatibility". >>> = > = > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 08:27:43 2009 Received: (qmail 933 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 07:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 07:27:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7C9F54012 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E253FE240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DAA34AC025 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:27:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B453D34AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:27:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d220-238-164-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.164.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB37RWHd029876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:27:34 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:27:30 +1100 Message-ID: <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acpz37G3zq2FVdI2QgqN9WUYi8mGOwACiavA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 08:27:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17686f133776789618724 Makes sense to me, why would you have the full-stop inside the quotation marks unless you were quoting the full-stop too ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: siddiq@ucr.edu [mailto:siddiq@ucr.edu] > Sent: Thursday, 3 December 2009 5:13 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability > > . says the chap who put the full-stop (period, for you yanks) *outside* > the quotation marks? > /s > > On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > > > Jon, you're a Brit, there are no excuses ... > > > > Whatever the OS (:-)) it's "compatibility". > > > > Chris > > > > On 2 Dec 2009, at 23:18, Jon Mitchell wrote: > > > >> compatability > > > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 08:44:59 2009 Received: (qmail 3570 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 07:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 07:44:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F67DF54030 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:44:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A8DE240CA for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B77834AC007 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:44:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CD834AC005 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:44:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (pool-98-119-92-33.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [98.119.92.33]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id KAK28466 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:44:52 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" In-Reply-To: <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:44:51 -0800 Message-Id: <46B7AE2F-9F62-49BE-B2C0-40D0D11B419B@ucr.edu> References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 08:44:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b176c7b135991234514069 American English says so. Might is Right! /runs and hides On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:27 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > Makes sense to me, why would you have the full-stop inside the quotation > marks unless you were quoting the full-stop too ? > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: siddiq@ucr.edu [mailto:siddiq@ucr.edu] >> Sent: Thursday, 3 December 2009 5:13 PM >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability >> >> . says the chap who put the full-stop (period, for you yanks) *outside* >> the quotation marks? >> /s >> >> On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Chris Barker wrote: >> >>> Jon, you're a Brit, there are no excuses ... >>> >>> Whatever the OS (:-)) it's "compatibility". >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 2 Dec 2009, at 23:18, Jon Mitchell wrote: >>> >>>> compatability >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 09:16:07 2009 Received: (qmail 32714 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 08:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 08:16:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77484F54032 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:16:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C41AE240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641AA34AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:16:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3B034AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:15:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:15:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 856 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:29:46 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:08:46 +0200 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 09:16:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1773c7127219752976205 Well now, Ken, very little if any of the 'power' in my life is directly in the hands of any of the organisations you have mentioned. Of course I use Google to do web searching most of the time, although I do use others. But I do not use them to host any of my information, which I rather host personally. I do not use Microsoft operating systems or products, I prefer open- source (and Apple, I must admit, which is another archetypical evil company). I have no idea what TRW is (hence I do not use it). I make minimal, if any, use of a credit card, and our government here in South Africa has no what you first-world-dwellers would call decent healthcare program :-) By law, the primary purpose of a publically-traded corporation is to make profit for its shareholders. Any shareholder can take a corporation to court if, for example, the corporation took steps (such as doing e.g. a "good deed") which caused a drop in the shareholder's investment. There reverse is not true, however. I don't want to sound anti-globalisation or anything, but there is no denying that the legal framework that governs publicly traded corporations are inherently evil and damaging to mankind as a whole. You only have to look at the history of a corporation such as General Electric, too see a vivid illustration of what I mean. On 02 Dec 2009, at 6:35 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> P.S. I am greatly concerned about the inherent power people place in >> the hands of a single corporation like Google (who is by law >> mandated to >> > > I'm sorry, we're we talking about Google, Microsoft, TRW, Visa/ > Mastercard, > or the new government healthcare program? > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 09:28:09 2009 Received: (qmail 4085 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 08:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 08:28:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5D5F54031 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B3FE240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C6919D93C for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:28:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB3F19D936 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:28:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp11.services.sfr.fr (mtaweb11.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.28]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf1102.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 45B2C7000090; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:28:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from wsfrf1221 (wsfrf1221 [10.18.28.35]) by msfrf1102.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3C48A7000086; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:28:01 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091203082801246.3C48A7000086@msfrf1102.sfr.fr From: To: lug@leica-users.org, leicareflex@freelists.org, olympus@thomasclausen.net Message-ID: <746527.3775401259828881240.JavaMail.www@wsfrf1221> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [195.220.225.240] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~||~||~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:28:01 +0100 (CET) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Angels - 14 - To Mothers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 09:28:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b177699258061220213263 Thanks for all your kind comments, on or off list, about Angel 13. Angel 14 was delivered by air overnight, now at: http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Angels/?g2_page=3 BW crop, followed by original take - the back light is due to harsh reflection on the school windows, no flash here. C&C welcome as usual Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 10:08:47 2009 Received: (qmail 21838 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 09:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 09:08:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F72DF54018 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF184E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:08:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C2334AC007 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:08:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153B934AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:08:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com (mail-ew0-f214.google.com [209.85.219.214]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so1162666ewy.9 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:08:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.23.80 with SMTP id q16mr1018515ebb.3.1259831319534; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:08:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm1209706ewy.3.2009.12.03.01.08.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:08:38 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:08:37 +0000 Message-Id: <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 10:08:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17801f257911234514069 Dawid They would be taking themselves to court if that were the case. Chris On 3 Dec 2009, at 08:08, Dawid Loubser wrote: > By law, the primary purpose of a publically-traded corporation is to > make profit > for its shareholders. Any shareholder can take a corporation to court > if, for example, > the corporation took steps (such as doing e.g. a "good deed") which > caused a drop in the > shareholder's investment. There reverse is not true, however. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 10:11:56 2009 Received: (qmail 13730 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 09:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 09:11:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C19EF54014 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782C5E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:11:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE3F3618001 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:11:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18FA34AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:11:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com (mail-ew0-f214.google.com [209.85.219.214]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so1165313ewy.9 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:11:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.2.84 with SMTP id 20mr1312862ebi.46.1259831508987; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm1207773ewy.8.2009.12.03.01.11.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:11:48 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:11:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: <746527.3775401259828881240.JavaMail.www@wsfrf1221> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <746527.3775401259828881240.JavaMail.www@wsfrf1221> Message-Id: <6DF230E9-9932-4895-8D91-9CE28FA8B9AA@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Angels - 14 - To Mothers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 10:11:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1780dc86536107113666 H=E4rz Kopf >Heart Head or > Hart Kopf > Hard Head ... just playing with words. Nice crop, Philippe. Chris On 3 Dec 2009, at 08:28, wr= ote: > Thanks for all your kind comments, on or off list, about Angel 13. > = > Angel 14 was delivered by air overnight, now at: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Angels/?g2_page=3D3 > = > BW crop, followed by original take - the back light is due to harsh refle= ction on the school windows, no flash here. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 10:13:12 2009 Received: (qmail 29034 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 09:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 09:13:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B014F54030 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3F8E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:12:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFC219DC47 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:12:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDAA19DC20 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:12:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com (mail-ew0-f214.google.com [209.85.219.214]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so1166070ewy.9 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.24.2 with SMTP id t2mr8807428ebb.23.1259831565728; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:12:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm1207773ewy.8.2009.12.03.01.12.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:12:44 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <46B7AE2F-9F62-49BE-B2C0-40D0D11B419B@ucr.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:12:42 +0000 Message-Id: References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au> <46B7AE2F-9F62-49BE-B2C0-40D0D11B419B@ucr.edu> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 10:13:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b178128317371342116753 There's a common saying in this country, "bo**ocks!". Chris On 3 Dec 2009, at 07:44, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > American English says so. Might is Right! > > /runs and hides > > On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:27 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > >> Makes sense to me, why would you have the full-stop inside the quotation >> marks unless you were quoting the full-stop too ? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 10:20:04 2009 Received: (qmail 10987 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 09:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 09:20:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0909F54013 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBD7E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:19:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE6234AC007 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:19:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A7334AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:19:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.145]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so248787eyb.8 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:19:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.25.79 with SMTP id y15mr4802907ebb.74.1259831993967; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm1209474ewy.14.2009.12.03.01.19.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:19:53 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <46B7AE2F-9F62-49BE-B2C0-40D0D11B419B@ucr.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:19:51 +0000 Message-Id: References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au> <46B7AE2F-9F62-49BE-B2C0-40D0D11B419B@ucr.edu> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability (:-)) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 10:20:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1782c4139656107113666 There's a common saying in this country, "bo**ocks!". Chris (:-)) -- forgot that bit ... On 3 Dec 2009, at 07:44, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > American English says so. Might is Right! > > /runs and hides > > On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:27 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > >> Makes sense to me, why would you have the full-stop inside the quotation >> marks unless you were quoting the full-stop too ? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 10:23:07 2009 Received: (qmail 28593 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 09:23:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 09:23:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073AAF54020 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8C8E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9C619DC79 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:23:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E9219DC7D for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:23:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7266 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2009 09:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 09:21:06 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:22:57 +1100 References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 10:23:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17837b101551612113968 'cos grammar is a language and not proper logic? How's that sound - just made it up. :-) 'Andrew Fildes.' afildes@people.net.au On 03/12/2009, at 6:27 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > Makes sense to me, why would you have the full-stop inside the > quotation > marks unless you were quoting the full-stop too ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 10:24:45 2009 Received: (qmail 3912 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 09:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 09:24:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951D1F54027 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BBEE240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:24:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D13234AC007 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:24:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F6B34AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:24:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7334 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2009 09:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 09:22:47 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:24:38 +1100 References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au> <46B7AE2F-9F62-49BE-B2C0-40D0D11B419B@ucr.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 10:24:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1783dd263341234514069 How exactly do you pronounce the asterisks? Like the clicks in Xhosa perhaps? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 03/12/2009, at 8:12 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > There's a common saying in this country, "bo**ocks!". > > Chris > > On 3 Dec 2009, at 07:44, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > >> American English says so. Might is Right! >> >> /runs and hides >> >> On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:27 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> >>> Makes sense to me, why would you have the full-stop inside the >>> quotation >>> marks unless you were quoting the full-stop too ? >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 10:34:06 2009 Received: (qmail 11138 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 09:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 09:34:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53A5F5402E for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A817BE240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906BD19DC0B for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:34:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACA519DCE4 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:34:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com (mail-ew0-f214.google.com [209.85.219.214]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so1184632ewy.9 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.48.75 with SMTP id q11mr1338474ebf.84.1259832838487; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm1219178ewy.11.2009.12.03.01.33.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:33:57 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:33:56 +0000 Message-Id: <9064B013-A54A-4051-9D82-9FEA1A87F167@threeshoes.net> References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au> <46B7AE2F-9F62-49BE-B2C0-40D0D11B419B@ucr.edu> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 10:34:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17860e233401076813867 I thought that I was being (reasonably) polite? I know that that concept is foreign ........ ...... trailing off because smileys might not work if I continued on that theme. ;-) Chris On 3 Dec 2009, at 09:24, Andrew Fildes wrote: > How exactly do you pronounce the asterisks? Like the clicks in Xhosa > perhaps? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 10:49:50 2009 Received: (qmail 15669 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 09:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 09:49:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05C2F54018 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F900E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B8419DD60 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:49:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2FE19DD6F for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:49:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:49:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 269 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:03:38 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:49:38 +0200 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 10:49:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1789be33432439112457 Chris, A individual or a company cannot, of course, take itself to court. I made the assertion that a publicly-traded corporation is legally mandated to pursue the monetary interest of its shareholders above all else. Certainly in U.S. and UK legal systems. This is, to my mind, damaging to mankind. If anybody doubts this, I suggest they read the book "The Corporation" by law professor Joel Bakan. Bakan's argument includes the point that the corporation's sole reason for being is to enhance the profits and power of the corporation. He shows (by citing court cases) that it is the *duty* of management to make money and that any compromise with that duty is *dereliction of duty*. Another point he illustrates (again, by citing court cases) is that "corporations are designed to externalize their costs." The corporation is "deliberately programmed, indeed legally compelled, to externalize costs without regard for the harm it may cause to people, communities, and the natural environment. Every cost it can unload onto someone else is a benefit to itself, a direct route to profit." It was an interesting and eye-opening read indeed, when I first laid eyes on it about 5 years ago. regards, Dawid On 03 Dec 2009, at 11:08 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Dawid > > They would be taking themselves to court if that were the case. > > Chris > > On 3 Dec 2009, at 08:08, Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> By law, the primary purpose of a publically-traded corporation is to >> make profit >> for its shareholders. Any shareholder can take a corporation to court >> if, for example, >> the corporation took steps (such as doing e.g. a "good deed") which >> caused a drop in the >> shareholder's investment. There reverse is not true, however. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 12:09:19 2009 Received: (qmail 13551 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 11:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 11:09:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C75E1822E for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:09:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F266E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:09:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B1334AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:09:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C010A34AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:09:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NG9YZ-0006Yy-A8 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:09:07 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:09:05 -0000 Message-ID: <1757578032AE4D95A1CFFE14EC685B12@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acpz37G3zq2FVdI2QgqN9WUYi8mGOwACiavAAAalpCA= In-Reply-To: <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091129-1, 29/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 12:09:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b179c5f156081744846740 Quite so, Wayne - if I quote an entire sentence, then the full stop goes inside the quotation marks. If I quote a portion of a sentence, then there is no full stop inside the quotation marks. The full stop to which Siddiq objects is the full stop at the end of the sentence in which Chris made the quotation, which needs to be there! Somewhat akin to the difference between X=(4+4)^2 and X=4+(4^2). Maybe that is pedantry too :-) Piers -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Harridge [mailto:wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 03 December 2009 07:28 To: 'Olympus Camera Discussion' Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability Makes sense to me, why would you have the full-stop inside the quotation marks unless you were quoting the full-stop too ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: siddiq@ucr.edu [mailto:siddiq@ucr.edu] > Sent: Thursday, 3 December 2009 5:13 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability > > . says the chap who put the full-stop (period, for you yanks) > *outside* the quotation marks? > /s > > On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > > > Jon, you're a Brit, there are no excuses ... > > > > Whatever the OS (:-)) it's "compatibility". > > > > Chris > > > > On 2 Dec 2009, at 23:18, Jon Mitchell wrote: > > > >> compatability > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 12:21:06 2009 Received: (qmail 19962 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 11:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 11:21:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68F3E18255 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9939E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D4219E094 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:20:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3353919E096 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:20:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.68]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KU20040KQ6YZK90@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:20:58 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:24:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:20:58 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuMUACcuF0sY4MhnQmdsb2JhbACBSIhekV8BAQEbBrtFCoQoBIVo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,334,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="678666818" X-EsetScannerBuild: 6151 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 12:21:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b179f2213619752976205 Dawid: A corporation, public or private, as is understood in the western world is obligated to to fulfill the mandate[s] as set out in the formal documents used to bring it [the corporation] into existence. Your statement that "Bakan's argument includes the point that the corporation's sole reason for being is to enhance the profits and power of the corporation. He shows (by citing court cases) that it is the *duty* of management to make money and that any compromise with that duty is *dereliction of duty*. " is nonsense and by extension so is Bakan's argument. If you were to consult the memorandum of association, articles of association, letters patent, etc or whatever documents gave rise to the creation and existence of the corporation you'd realize that a modern day corporation's objectives and permissions are virtually limitless. Focus is placed on your assertion of the "sole reason". Perhaps you should cite someone more elevated up the food chain than an associate professor at UBC. If he is perpetrating the myth that the sole reason for a corporation's existence is to enrich its shareholders he should start all over as an undergraduate law student. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawid Loubser" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave > Chris, > > A individual or a company cannot, of course, take itself to court. > > I made the assertion that a publicly-traded corporation is legally > mandated to > pursue the monetary interest of its shareholders above all else. > Certainly > in U.S. and UK legal systems. This is, to my mind, damaging to mankind. > > If anybody doubts this, I suggest they read the book "The Corporation" > by > law professor Joel Bakan. > > Bakan's argument includes the point that the corporation's sole reason > for being is to enhance the profits and power of the corporation. He > shows > (by citing court cases) that it is the *duty* of management to make > money and > that any compromise with that duty is *dereliction of duty*. > > Another point he illustrates (again, by citing court cases) > is that "corporations are designed to externalize their costs." > The corporation is "deliberately programmed, indeed legally compelled, > to > externalize costs without regard for the harm it may cause to people, > communities, and the natural environment. Every cost it can unload > onto someone > else is a benefit to itself, a direct route to profit." > > It was an interesting and eye-opening read indeed, when I first laid > eyes on it > about 5 years ago. > > regards, > Dawid > > On 03 Dec 2009, at 11:08 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> Dawid >> >> They would be taking themselves to court if that were the case. >> >> Chris >> >> On 3 Dec 2009, at 08:08, Dawid Loubser wrote: >> >>> By law, the primary purpose of a publically-traded corporation is to >>> make profit >>> for its shareholders. Any shareholder can take a corporation to court >>> if, for example, >>> the corporation took steps (such as doing e.g. a "good deed") which >>> caused a drop in the >>> shareholder's investment. There reverse is not true, however. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4656 (20091202) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4656 (20091202) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 12:24:31 2009 Received: (qmail 23014 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 11:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 11:24:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97559E18198 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:24:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1655EE240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE36119E0B2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:24:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5241219E090 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:24:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31768 invoked by uid 502); 3 Dec 2009 11:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.171.146) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2009 11:24:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4B179FD4.9060603@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:24:04 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> <0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B166630.3070400@chucknorcutt.com> <6E0E8E440DCC4A17B0137DF439A0FCCE@MAIN> <4B16BB90.2060803@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16BEE3.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16D9A3.8080009@chucknorcutt.com> <4B172357.4030909@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B172357.4030909@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: [OM] Shadow color shifts [was5D II pattern noise problem] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 12:24:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b179fef176101879814018 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I could see that it was wrong without pushing since what should have been= varying dark gray values were almost all zero immediately after opening th= e file in ACR. There is clearly an ACR bug and it occurs immediately on op= ening the file... no alterations required. The question is whether this is= limited to the 5DMkII. > = I've been reading, testing and thinking. I think I understand what's = happening. whether I can explain it clearly or not ... First, take a look at the two histograms under the heading "Linear = Histogram", about 30% down this page. = Fig. 5 shows the linear data from a sensor. F-stops involve = doubling/halving the amount of light for each full stop, the legend on = the bottom shows how that plays out. Let me put it in numbers, adjusted = from the 12-stop range from a 12 bit sensor to the 14 bits of the 5DII. = The top stop has a range of 8,182 values in which to store levels of = brightness and: 14 8192 13 4096 12 2048 11 1024 10 512 9 256 8 128 7 64 6 32 5 16 4 8 3 4 2 2 1 2 So - When the subject is underexposed by four stops, the number of = possible values goes from 16,384 down to 2,048. Not so bad, 8 bit is = only 256, right? Ah, but look at the shadows. For a correctly exposed shot, there are 32 = values to hold all the data for the bottom 5 stops. No matter that it = looks like more after gamma adjustment, it's still those few values = up-sampled. In the 4 stop underexposed version, data from some of the higher stops = have to be squeezed down into those 32 values. So, potential data detail = is lost, compared to proper exposure. This is true even if the sensor = can perfectly discriminate the actual values way down at such low levels = - the data is lost to the digitization process. To the extent that the sensor loses effective precision in the dark, = things get worse. Think of a digital meter. It's not uncommon to have = finer resolution than precision. The meter reads to 0.01, but the = accuracy is =B10.03. so a reading of 1.35. although it looks accurate on = the LCD, is really somewhere between 1.32 and 1.38. When you get down to = very low readings, the precision means values may be 100% or more off = the indicated value. I assume the same holds true for values out of the A/D converters in = cameras. A shot that is intentionally heavily underexposed has its true shadows = recorded in only a handful of values and its lower mid-tones compressed = into maybe 100 values. Then in the RAW converter, we try to pull those = values back up the where they would be in a proper exposure. That means = lots of big up interpolation. To the extent that the sensor system is differentially non-linear = between channels at very low light levels, the reconstituted image will = have inaccurate color. To the extent that quantization, what might also = be called pixelization or rounding effects as analog values were = digitized down at the bottom, there will be color/luminance irregularities. Why then, does Canon's DPP do a better job in this test than ACR? I = think the answer is simple. First, you should read on down in the page = linked above, on through the "Sensor Saturation Level" section. It may = make your head hurt, but will give an idea why the maker of a sensor = system, with full in-depth knowledge of its characteristics, can = properly fine tune conversion settings for it. Adobe, on the other hand has to set it's default conversion behavior to = accommodate a vast array of sensor systems. Sure, they can tune settings = defaults for each camera based on some test shots, but they can't really = know what's going on down in the depths of each system. I tried converting CH's sample color chart image in DPP and ACR. I then = tried the white balance dropper on various gray steps. In both cases, = there was a difference between the bright and darker patches. the = lighter the patch, the more accurate looking the color. Overall, as expected from the above, the DPP conversion was better than = the ACR, and the difference became greater the darker you went. The = darker ACR patches had a distinct magenta cast, Which makes me think it = may have something to do with the effect on relative sensitivity at very = low light levels of the use of 2 green sensors for each single red and = blue sensor - or not. My conclusions? 1. It's foolish to expect recovered shadows to be as color and luminance = accurate as if they were mid-tones. The technology just doesn't support = it. HDR image file formats use floating point decimal numbers. If future = cameras adopt a floating point RAW format, this would be different. For = now, we have to develop shooting techniques to accommodate these = limitations of our cameras to our photographic purposes. 2. There probably isn't a programming error in ACR. It just doesn't know = as much about particular sensor systems as do the manufacturers. 3. I may try using DPP for images where I care about color accuracy and = must pull shadows up a lot. On the other hand, the default color results = I get from ACR on normal 5D RAW files look more color accurate to me = than the defaults from DPP and ACR gives me more and more useful = controls. So I'll stick with ACR for most work. Remember, most of my shooting is of natural subjects, where there is no = absolute measure of color accuracy. In many cases, the shadows in the = subject are dark enough that my own eyes are running mostly on B&W = cones, so even if I had perfect color memory, I might not know what = color those shadows 'really' were. 4. While all this is interesting to me in a theoretical way and I've = learned a lot that may help inform my image creation and processing, I = don't see how it has had a practical effect on the vast majority of the = images I've processed. Even where it may have, I'm not sure how I could = tell. So I take a sunset shot with underexposed foreground, pull it up and get = some magenta shift. There's a lot of magenta in the shadow areas of = sunset scenes as I see them with my eyes. How can I tell the difference? = Why should I care? If it looks right to eyes that have seen many = thousands of sunsets, why worry? It it looks too magenta, I can just = pull magenta saturation down a bit. There really is no absolute in most = photographs. Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 12:25:56 2009 Received: (qmail 228 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 11:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 11:25:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B46E181CF for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E520E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2164219E0C0 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:25:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF99719E0B9 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:25:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NG9nv-0000D2-UC for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:25:00 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:24:50 -0000 Message-ID: <3F9D44AE8B88440AA302227CDB489290@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acpz8N2PU6ZQkp55QUyKWAMXTd38CAAGGQCw In-Reply-To: <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091129-1, 29/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 12:25:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17a044223961234514069 In pedantic old England, the foundation documents (colloquially "Mem & Arts") of a company define its aims and objectives, which might well be profit for the shareholders, but need not be. Indeed, there are plenty of examples of charities which are formed as a company, but are not profit-making for shareholders (Oxfam is one such) - the main reason being that a company has legal personality, and can enter into contracts in its own name, whereas a simple charity cannot easily do so without exposing its trustees to personal liability. http://preview.tinyurl.com/ya9n9qe is Wikipedia's take if you are interested. Piers (a personally-liable trustee of an unincorporated charity!) -----Original Message----- From: Dawid Loubser [mailto:dawidl@solms.co.za] Sent: 03 December 2009 08:09 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave --snip By law, the primary purpose of a publically-traded corporation is to make profit for its shareholders. --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 12:35:04 2009 Received: (qmail 30503 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 11:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 11:35:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610AFE18245 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:35:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46804E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:34:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160AD19E12F for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:34:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535ED19E121 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:34:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d220-238-164-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.164.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB3BYsMO021477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:34:56 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au> <1757578032AE4D95A1CFFE14EC685B12@your9ya3hf92n3> In-Reply-To: <1757578032AE4D95A1CFFE14EC685B12@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:34:51 +1100 Message-ID: <005d01ca740c$a1cb8660$e5629320$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acpz37G3zq2FVdI2QgqN9WUYi8mGOwACiavAAAalpCAAAdNT8A== Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 12:35:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17a268308281076813867 > > Somewhat akin to the difference between X=(4+4)^2 and X=4+(4^2). Maybe > that > is pedantry too :-) > Well, I wouldn't rank it as pedantry, in the maths (harking back to a previous thread) example X will be different, and in the "" example the semantics may be different if you place the full-stop in a different position. We don't want to confuse readers as a result of letting our standards drop. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 13:02:38 2009 Received: (qmail 30752 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 12:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 12:02:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CCFE1805D for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 04:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698B4E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 04:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4552034AC007 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 04:02:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0561134AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 04:02:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 04:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGAOE-0005DD-6t for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:02:30 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au><1757578032AE4D95A1CFFE14EC685B12@your9ya3hf92n3> <005d01ca740c$a1cb8660$e5629320$@com.au> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:02:27 -0000 Message-ID: <09A9CF8B362C4578A73222A6F0871B40@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acpz37G3zq2FVdI2QgqN9WUYi8mGOwACiavAAAalpCAAAdNT8AABJuHw In-Reply-To: <005d01ca740c$a1cb8660$e5629320$@com.au> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091129-1, 29/11/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 13:02:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17a8de135671234514069 I bow to your eloquently expressed wisdom, Wayne! Piers -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Harridge [mailto:wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 03 December 2009 11:35 To: 'Olympus Camera Discussion' Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability --snip We don't want to confuse readers as a result of letting our standards drop. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 13:57:27 2009 Received: (qmail 11895 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 12:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 12:57:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A3BE1824D for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 04:57:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A214E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 04:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A1334AC026 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 04:57:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD9734AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 04:57:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 04:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB3CvGcr009829 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:57:16 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> <0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B166630.3070400@chucknorcutt.com> <6E0E8E440DCC4A17B0137DF439A0FCCE@MAIN> <4B16BB90.2060803@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16BEE3.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16D9A3.8080009@chucknorcutt.com> <4B172357.4030909@chucknorcutt.com> <4B179FD4.9060603@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:56:53 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Shadow color shifts [was5D II pattern noise problem] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 13:57:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17b5b7105487801554290 As I have mentioned different people has different acceptance standard and it related to how they use their camera. BTW, I don't see any problem in color accuracy when pushing with DPP, the problem is I can't do it with 5D II at low ISO due to pattern noise. I don't see ACR provide better color but I use "Faithful" instead of "Standard" Canyon color mode. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" My conclusions? 1. It's foolish to expect recovered shadows to be as color and luminance accurate as if they were mid-tones. The technology just doesn't support it. HDR image file formats use floating point decimal numbers. If future cameras adopt a floating point RAW format, this would be different. For now, we have to develop shooting techniques to accommodate these limitations of our cameras to our photographic purposes. 2. There probably isn't a programming error in ACR. It just doesn't know as much about particular sensor systems as do the manufacturers. 3. I may try using DPP for images where I care about color accuracy and must pull shadows up a lot. On the other hand, the default color results I get from ACR on normal 5D RAW files look more color accurate to me than the defaults from DPP and ACR gives me more and more useful controls. So I'll stick with ACR for most work. Remember, most of my shooting is of natural subjects, where there is no absolute measure of color accuracy. In many cases, the shadows in the subject are dark enough that my own eyes are running mostly on B&W cones, so even if I had perfect color memory, I might not know what color those shadows 'really' were. 4. While all this is interesting to me in a theoretical way and I've learned a lot that may help inform my image creation and processing, I don't see how it has had a practical effect on the vast majority of the images I've processed. Even where it may have, I'm not sure how I could tell. So I take a sunset shot with underexposed foreground, pull it up and get some magenta shift. There's a lot of magenta in the shadow areas of sunset scenes as I see them with my eyes. How can I tell the difference? Why should I care? If it looks right to eyes that have seen many thousands of sunsets, why worry? It it looks too magenta, I can just pull magenta saturation down a bit. There really is no absolute in most photographs. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 14:03:26 2009 Received: (qmail 7620 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 13:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 13:03:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7C9E182A5 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:03:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64A0E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:03:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B005434AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:03:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6C434AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:03:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:03:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.216.193]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KU20002LUXEDI1K@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:03:15 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B17B718.1000205@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:03:20 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <0D7E1FDB-918D-41EF-A18B-975257D1FF90@threeshoes.net> In-reply-to: <0D7E1FDB-918D-41EF-A18B-975257D1FF90@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 14:03:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17b71e135247801554290 A corporations first rule is making a profit. People be damned. Too big to fail should be allowed to fail. Kerplunk.....circle the bowl.... ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chris Barker wrote: > You might be right, Dawid, in your wariness, but a successful > organisation has to be big to survive or it will be taken over by a > larger one. Just look at what Microsoft does when it needs a new bit > of software ... > > But I don't agree that a corporation is required by law to make money > for its shareholders; it must be successful to retain shareholders > and profit normally contributes to that success. But a company must > have several facets to its operation to be successful and one of > those will be its care for the client or customer. > > I use Google for Gmail and Apps. My 2 domains have email going > through Google and it is very effective, being IMAP rather than POP. > Wave is in its infancy so we shall have to wait and see. Does your > final paragraph mean that you would like an invitation? > > Chris > > On 2 Dec 2009, at 13:07, Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> P.S. I am greatly concerned about the inherent power people place >> in the hands of a single corporation like Google (who is by law >> mandated to make money for their shareholders above all other >> causes) in the form of willingly hosting or channeling *all* forms >> of information: >> >> - e-mail - documents - calendars - contact info - geographic / >> photographic information regarding locations - etc etc >> >> through this one company. Why do people trust Google so much? Far >> too much power that can affect far too many people are in the hands >> of one money- making machine. >> >> I truly believe that services such as web search must be via fully >> open-source software hosted on publicly-funded infrastructure. >> Google has woven themselves into society to such an extent, that >> their existence is almost guaranteed no matter what evil things >> they may choose to do. >> >> That is not right... Do we really want a world where ONE >> corporation owns your information, your web browser, your phone, >> your operating system, etc etc? >> >> Anyway, I just have a very bad feeling about all of this. On the >> topic of "Waves" though, for anybody who's read their information, >> the idea is quite a novel attempt at superseding older (but >> successful) forms of message-based communication, such as e- mail. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 14:10:37 2009 Received: (qmail 25266 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 13:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 13:10:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB780E181A3 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:10:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0D1E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:10:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CA619E4E7 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:10:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5021819E1CB for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:10:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3857 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2009 13:10:22 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091203-1, 12/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Shadow color shifts [was5D II pattern noise problem] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 14:10:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17b8cd127061357919056 I understand what you're saying (I think) but I still have a problem = with the notion that Canon can apply their "inside information" since = that information has to be encoded somewhere within the raw file. If we = have 14 bits to encode brightness information and underexpose by 4 stops = it seems to me that the lowest 4 stops of the original scene have just = become 0. Those lowest 4 stops have just all been melded into the = blackest of blacks and there is no way to recover them. If there is a difference (as there is) between ACR and DPP, whatever is = being recovered by DPP has to come from what would have been (in a = normal exposure) some 4 stops higher up the brightness chain... = otherwise it would have been melded into 0. The fact that DPP can = recover something means it was not 0. Since ACR reports 0 for some = values I conclude ACR has missed the boat somehow. The only way I can see DPP using some inside info here is that the raw = file contains something more than just 14 bit brightness values for each = sensor site. So, where am I missing the boat? I'll be convinced if the 5D under ACR behaves the same as the 5DMkII Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I could see that it was wrong without pushing since what should have bee= n varying dark gray values were almost all zero immediately after opening t= he file in ACR. There is clearly an ACR bug and it occurs immediately on o= pening the file... no alterations required. The question is whether this i= s limited to the 5DMkII. >> = > = > I've been reading, testing and thinking. I think I understand what's = > happening. whether I can explain it clearly or not ... > = > First, take a look at the two histograms under the heading "Linear = > Histogram", about 30% down this page. = > > = > Fig. 5 shows the linear data from a sensor. F-stops involve = > doubling/halving the amount of light for each full stop, the legend on = > the bottom shows how that plays out. Let me put it in numbers, adjusted = > from the 12-stop range from a 12 bit sensor to the 14 bits of the 5DII. = > The top stop has a range of 8,182 values in which to store levels of = > brightness and: > = > 14 8192 > 13 4096 > 12 2048 > 11 1024 > 10 512 > 9 256 > 8 128 > 7 64 > 6 32 > 5 16 > 4 8 > 3 4 > 2 2 > 1 2 > = > So - When the subject is underexposed by four stops, the number of = > possible values goes from 16,384 down to 2,048. Not so bad, 8 bit is = > only 256, right? > = > Ah, but look at the shadows. For a correctly exposed shot, there are 32 = > values to hold all the data for the bottom 5 stops. No matter that it = > looks like more after gamma adjustment, it's still those few values = > up-sampled. > = > In the 4 stop underexposed version, data from some of the higher stops = > have to be squeezed down into those 32 values. So, potential data detail = > is lost, compared to proper exposure. This is true even if the sensor = > can perfectly discriminate the actual values way down at such low levels = > - the data is lost to the digitization process. > = > To the extent that the sensor loses effective precision in the dark, = > things get worse. Think of a digital meter. It's not uncommon to have = > finer resolution than precision. The meter reads to 0.01, but the = > accuracy is =B10.03. so a reading of 1.35. although it looks accurate on = > the LCD, is really somewhere between 1.32 and 1.38. When you get down to = > very low readings, the precision means values may be 100% or more off = > the indicated value. > = > I assume the same holds true for values out of the A/D converters in = > cameras. > = > A shot that is intentionally heavily underexposed has its true shadows = > recorded in only a handful of values and its lower mid-tones compressed = > into maybe 100 values. Then in the RAW converter, we try to pull those = > values back up the where they would be in a proper exposure. That means = > lots of big up interpolation. > = > To the extent that the sensor system is differentially non-linear = > between channels at very low light levels, the reconstituted image will = > have inaccurate color. To the extent that quantization, what might also = > be called pixelization or rounding effects as analog values were = > digitized down at the bottom, there will be color/luminance irregularitie= s. > = > Why then, does Canon's DPP do a better job in this test than ACR? I = > think the answer is simple. First, you should read on down in the page = > linked above, on through the "Sensor Saturation Level" section. It may = > make your head hurt, but will give an idea why the maker of a sensor = > system, with full in-depth knowledge of its characteristics, can = > properly fine tune conversion settings for it. > = > Adobe, on the other hand has to set it's default conversion behavior to = > accommodate a vast array of sensor systems. Sure, they can tune settings = > defaults for each camera based on some test shots, but they can't really = > know what's going on down in the depths of each system. > = > I tried converting CH's sample color chart image in DPP and ACR. I then = > tried the white balance dropper on various gray steps. In both cases, = > there was a difference between the bright and darker patches. the = > lighter the patch, the more accurate looking the color. > = > Overall, as expected from the above, the DPP conversion was better than = > the ACR, and the difference became greater the darker you went. The = > darker ACR patches had a distinct magenta cast, Which makes me think it = > may have something to do with the effect on relative sensitivity at very = > low light levels of the use of 2 green sensors for each single red and = > blue sensor - or not. > = > My conclusions? > = > 1. It's foolish to expect recovered shadows to be as color and luminance = > accurate as if they were mid-tones. The technology just doesn't support = > it. HDR image file formats use floating point decimal numbers. If future = > cameras adopt a floating point RAW format, this would be different. For = > now, we have to develop shooting techniques to accommodate these = > limitations of our cameras to our photographic purposes. > = > 2. There probably isn't a programming error in ACR. It just doesn't know = > as much about particular sensor systems as do the manufacturers. > = > 3. I may try using DPP for images where I care about color accuracy and = > must pull shadows up a lot. On the other hand, the default color results = > I get from ACR on normal 5D RAW files look more color accurate to me = > than the defaults from DPP and ACR gives me more and more useful = > controls. So I'll stick with ACR for most work. > = > Remember, most of my shooting is of natural subjects, where there is no = > absolute measure of color accuracy. In many cases, the shadows in the = > subject are dark enough that my own eyes are running mostly on B&W = > cones, so even if I had perfect color memory, I might not know what = > color those shadows 'really' were. > = > 4. While all this is interesting to me in a theoretical way and I've = > learned a lot that may help inform my image creation and processing, I = > don't see how it has had a practical effect on the vast majority of the = > images I've processed. Even where it may have, I'm not sure how I could = > tell. > = > So I take a sunset shot with underexposed foreground, pull it up and get = > some magenta shift. There's a lot of magenta in the shadow areas of = > sunset scenes as I see them with my eyes. How can I tell the difference? = > Why should I care? If it looks right to eyes that have seen many = > thousands of sunsets, why worry? It it looks too magenta, I can just = > pull magenta saturation down a bit. There really is no absolute in most = > photographs. > = > Moose -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 14:13:06 2009 Received: (qmail 31013 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 13:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 13:13:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45314E181DE for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD09E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBBB34AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:12:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C703534AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:12:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:42124 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGBUQ-0000SM-Sn for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:12:59 -0600 Message-ID: <4B17B94D.4050403@picturepedia.org> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:12:45 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> <0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B166630.3070400@chucknorcutt.com> <6E0E8E440DCC4A17B0137DF439A0FCCE@MAIN> <4B16BB90.2060803@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16BEE3.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16D9A3.8080009@chucknorcutt.com> <4B172357.4030909@chucknorcutt.com> <4B179FD4.9060603@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] Shadow color shifts [was5D II pattern noise problem] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 14:13:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17b962261491258626592 Yesterday I was going to suggest that maybe trying a higher ISO (as they are so detailed and clean) instead of using low iso settings, unless you particularly need low ISO because it is so bright but as we are dealing with shadows I am guessing this is not an issue, but then I read it affects all iso settings, although experimentation might find a sweet spot. On 03/12/2009 13:56, C.H.Ling wrote: > As I have mentioned different people has different acceptance standard and > it related to how they use their camera. BTW, I don't see any problem in > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 14:22:16 2009 Received: (qmail 22397 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 13:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 13:22:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D078E1824E for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:22:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FBFE24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E7F34AC026 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:22:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E88334AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:22:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:22:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10009 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2009 13:22:09 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091203-1, 12/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Shadow color shifts [was5D II pattern noise problem] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 14:22:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17bb88101351946193717 A 4 stops higher ISO would have produced a correct exposure. But he was deliberately underexposing to test shadow recovery. DPP clearly works better than ACR in this case (at least for the 5DMkII). But my point (and I think Moose's as well) is that I don't (normally) care because I wouldn't think of even trying to recover shadow detail that was 4 stops underexposed. Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > Yesterday I was going to suggest that maybe trying a higher ISO (as they > are so detailed and clean) instead of using low iso settings, unless you > particularly need low ISO because it is so bright but as we are dealing > with shadows I am guessing this is not an issue, but then I read it > affects all iso settings, although experimentation might find a sweet spot. > > On 03/12/2009 13:56, C.H.Ling wrote: >> As I have mentioned different people has different acceptance standard and >> it related to how they use their camera. BTW, I don't see any problem in >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 14:30:12 2009 Received: (qmail 28124 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 13:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 13:30:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E079EE181BA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1F6E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3275F34AC007 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:30:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C300D34AC026 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:30:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:30:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 256 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:44:02 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:30:01 +0200 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 14:30:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17bd64217391612113968 John, two things: 1.) I am specifically referring to publicly traded organisations, and 2.) I myself am not high enough "up the legal food chain" myself to cite better sources. As I mentioned earlier, though, if you look at the history of several large corporations, the stuff "this associate professor at UBC is perpetrating" are quite compelling. Anyway, no harm done, I hope. I shall stick to making statements on photography and technology, things I know a lot better than the law, especially in countries other than my own. You can go ahead and trust big publicly-traded corporations all you like. But I have seen the damage many of them have done, to people, societies, and the environment - all in the name of making money. I did think "The Corporation" was a good book though, although the author was obviously pushing a particular point/agenda. But I, as a legal n00b, saw no fallacies being communicated. regards, Dawid On 03 Dec 2009, at 1:20 PM, John Hudson wrote: > Dawid: > > A corporation, public or private, as is understood in the western > world is > obligated to to fulfill the mandate[s] as set out in the formal > documents > used to bring it [the corporation] into existence. > > Your statement that > > "Bakan's argument includes the point that the corporation's sole > reason for > being is to enhance the profits and power of the corporation. He > shows (by > citing court cases) that it is the *duty* of management to make > money and > that any compromise with that duty is *dereliction of duty*. " > > is nonsense and by extension so is Bakan's argument. If you were to > consult > the memorandum of association, articles of association, letters > patent, etc > or whatever documents gave rise to the creation and existence of the > corporation you'd realize that a modern day corporation's objectives > and > permissions are virtually limitless. Focus is placed on your > assertion of > the "sole reason". > > Perhaps you should cite someone more elevated up the food chain than > an > associate professor at UBC. If he is perpetrating the myth that the > sole > reason for a corporation's existence is to enrich its shareholders > he should > start all over as an undergraduate law student. > > jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 14:50:37 2009 Received: (qmail 2420 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 13:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 13:50:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4BDE1805C for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:50:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD997E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:50:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC21234AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:50:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F2234AC007 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:50:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:50:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([173.54.180.225]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KU20043OX3PKSQ4@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:50:14 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B17C211.1080803@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:50:09 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> In-reply-to: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 14:50:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17c22d180964877110844 Chris, Your granddaughter is beautiful! And your shots do her justice. I know I'm preaching to the choir but granddaughters are one of the great joys of life. Enjoy! -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) Chris Barker wrote: > And here are a few shots of our granddaughter, 5 months old and playing on our bed in the morning, the weekend before last: > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100093 > > E-420 and 25/2.8 at ISO 800, catalogued and output with Aperture. > > Chris > > On 30 Nov 2009, at 17:54, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> I find that Thanksgiving gatherings are for grownups. Children often get bored. This was just another opportunity to grab a shot of one of my great-granddaughters. >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Let+Me+Down.jpg.html > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 15:02:53 2009 Received: (qmail 4951 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 14:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 14:02:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4138DE1822D for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:02:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D1CE24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7D519E6CC for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:02:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E4B19E6B9 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:02:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB3E2f3I025217 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:02:41 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <6C5450AACCB24F56907A1F29EE118760@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> <0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B166630.3070400@chucknorcutt.com> <6E0E8E440DCC4A17B0137DF439A0FCCE@MAIN> <4B16BB90.2060803@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16BEE3.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16D9A3.8080009@chucknorcutt.com> <4B172357.4030909@chucknorcutt.com> <4B179FD4.9060603@gmail.com> <4B17B94D.4050403@picturepedia.org> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:02:29 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Shadow color shifts [was5D II pattern noise problem] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 15:02:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17c50d62552439112457 Actually, I had checked some high ISO images, the pattern seems not so obvious (if I can't see it I think no one should :-)). At first I thought it was due to sensor noise confused the pattern. I already planned to do more checking later under different ISO but as you mentioned I found some ISO 160 and 250 shots... they seem doing fine at 2 stops push! Yes, there are some noise that shouldn't appear at that ISO (i.e. ISO640 with the ISO160 shot) but they NR very nicely without a trace of pattern that I can see. It looks like if I shoot at ISO160 and above that will be ok! It was so bad that I had shot everything at ISO100 when the shutter speed allowed. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "SwissPace" > Yesterday I was going to suggest that maybe trying a higher ISO (as they > are so detailed and clean) instead of using low iso settings, unless you > particularly need low ISO because it is so bright but as we are dealing > with shadows I am guessing this is not an issue, but then I read it > affects all iso settings, although experimentation might find a sweet > spot. > > On 03/12/2009 13:56, C.H.Ling wrote: >> As I have mentioned different people has different acceptance standard >> and >> it related to how they use their camera. BTW, I don't see any problem in -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 15:06:12 2009 Received: (qmail 12810 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 14:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 14:06:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA35CE18279 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46414E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E12434AC007 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:06:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F6934AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:06:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([unknown] [173.54.180.225]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KU200DUCXTX9PD0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:05:57 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B17C5C0.1030005@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:05:52 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4B160149.5040508@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] how many megapixels here? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 15:06:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17c5d4173051342116753 It's really amazing that he didn't strip the data even on the tiny http://www.novascotiaphotos.com/frmpage/00269.html Anyway, another way to get at the data is to download/save the jpeg and open it up in e.g. irfanview, etc. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) Chuck Norcutt wrote: > That's interesting. How did you come up with that? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Jim Loudon wrote: >>> See this photo >>> >>> http://www.novascotiaphotos.com/frmpage/00269.html >>> >>> The camera is digital, likely a DSLR.I have no information concerning the >>> focal length of the lens or the brand of the camera. >>> >> The EXIF data: >> >> Orientation of image: 1 >> File change date and time: 2009:10:29 21:23:43 >> Image input equipment manufacturer: Canon >> Image input equipment model: Canon EOS-1DS >> Software used: Adobe Photoshop CS4 Windows >> Person who created the image: Paul Nicholson >> Exposure time: 0.00625 >> F number: 16 >> Exposure program: 1 >> ISO speed rating: 100 >> Shutter speed: 7.32193 >> Aperture: 8 >> Exposure bias: 0 >> Maximum lens aperture: 3 >> Metering mode: 5 >> Flash: 0 >> Lens focal length: 43 >> Focal plane X resolution: 2886.36 >> Focal plane Y resolution: 2885.81 >> Focal plane resolution unit: 2 >> Custom rendered: 0 >> Exposure mode: 1 >> White balance: 0 >> Scene capture type: 0 >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 15:08:52 2009 Received: (qmail 31934 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 14:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 14:08:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E5FE18212 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7695E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF5634AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:08:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAD334AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:08:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.145]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so304622eyb.8 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:08:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.26.138 with SMTP id e10mr9065044ebc.67.1259849322939; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm1332962ewy.8.2009.12.03.06.08.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:08:42 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:08:40 +0000 Message-Id: <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 15:08:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17c674159321234514069 Dawid Thanks for that clarification, but it's not a legal requirement to maximise the profits, merely what the shareholders will expect or they will take their capital elsewhere. I sympathise with your wariness of corporations, especially large ones. I base my support for Google on my (perhaps naive) belief in the moral rectitude of its management. Combined with that is the efficacy of its projects: I enjoy using each of its gizmos. My antipathy towards Microsoft, on the other hand is based on the opposite qualities: I mistrust it and their products are, for the most part, bad or no fun to use. I am tempted to read that book, but I hesitate on the grounds of trying maintain a certain good humour in these dark winter months. I am naturallly biased against large money-making enterprises and I am not sure that I want that bias vindicated. There is enough to do so in the newspapers in this country -- witness large bonus payments to bankers whose jobs are based on the taxpayers' bailout only last year. Now look what you've done, Dawid: you've made me swear in public, "bankers!". Chris ;-) On 3 Dec 2009, at 09:49, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Chris, > > A individual or a company cannot, of course, take itself to court. > > I made the assertion that a publicly-traded corporation is legally > mandated to > pursue the monetary interest of its shareholders above all else. > Certainly > in U.S. and UK legal systems. This is, to my mind, damaging to mankind. > > If anybody doubts this, I suggest they read the book "The Corporation" > by > law professor Joel Bakan. > > Bakan's argument includes the point that the corporation's sole reason > for being is to enhance the profits and power of the corporation. He > shows > (by citing court cases) that it is the *duty* of management to make > money and > that any compromise with that duty is *dereliction of duty*. > > Another point he illustrates (again, by citing court cases) > is that "corporations are designed to externalize their costs." > The corporation is "deliberately programmed, indeed legally compelled, > to > externalize costs without regard for the harm it may cause to people, > communities, and the natural environment. Every cost it can unload > onto someone > else is a benefit to itself, a direct route to profit." > > It was an interesting and eye-opening read indeed, when I first laid > eyes on it > about 5 years ago. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 15:14:07 2009 Received: (qmail 29480 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 14:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 14:14:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE773E18279 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6B6E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B048434AC007 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:13:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE9634AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:13:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB3EDr8e027602 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:13:53 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC3AA8D6CB3885-2AA8-1227A@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> <4B151085.30209@chucknorcutt.com> <0D72D6D4F4A84684A7939A2CA21587FE@MAIN><4B15F099.7040400@gmail.com> <1C5D5DAE58C84EBA94A726BCB62BD302@MAIN> <4B166630.3070400@chucknorcutt.com> <6E0E8E440DCC4A17B0137DF439A0FCCE@MAIN> <4B16BB90.2060803@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16BEE3.1020103@chucknorcutt.com> <4B16D9A3.8080009@chucknorcutt.com> <4B172357.4030909@chucknorcutt.com> <4B179FD4.9060603@gmail.com> <4B17B94D.4050403@picturepedia.org> <4B17BB80.90400@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:13:41 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Shadow color shifts [was5D II pattern noise problem] X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 15:14:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17c7af123352439112457 There is magenta shift at the shadow even without push: Here is the normal exposed one: http://www.accura.com.hk/temp/IMG_7213.CR2 C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" >A 4 stops higher ISO would have produced a correct exposure. But he was > deliberately underexposing to test shadow recovery. DPP clearly works > better than ACR in this case (at least for the 5DMkII). But my point > (and I think Moose's as well) is that I don't (normally) care because I > wouldn't think of even trying to recover shadow detail that was 4 stops > underexposed. > > Chuck Norcutt > > SwissPace wrote: >> Yesterday I was going to suggest that maybe trying a higher ISO (as they >> are so detailed and clean) instead of using low iso settings, unless you >> particularly need low ISO because it is so bright but as we are dealing >> with shadows I am guessing this is not an issue, but then I read it >> affects all iso settings, although experimentation might find a sweet >> spot. >> >> On 03/12/2009 13:56, C.H.Ling wrote: >>> As I have mentioned different people has different acceptance standard >>> and >>> it related to how they use their camera. BTW, I don't see any problem in -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 15:15:37 2009 Received: (qmail 27396 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 14:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 14:15:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0065E181B1 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E648DE24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:14:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28BD19E738 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:14:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F4A19E71F for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:14:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.146]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:14:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so305992eyb.8 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:14:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.25.78 with SMTP id y14mr9128824ebb.42.1259849686001; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:14:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? 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I still find it difficult to believe that I, an eternal child, am a grandfather. But I agree, the joy is great. Now if only I could find a job for my other son ... Chris On 3 Dec 2009, at 13:50, Russ Butler wrote: > Chris, > > Your granddaughter is beautiful! And your shots do her justice. > I know I'm preaching to the choir but granddaughters are one of the > great joys of life. > Enjoy! > > -- > Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 15:50:47 2009 Received: (qmail 9012 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 14:50:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 14:50:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E98E18061 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8179CE24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:50:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5826719E872 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:50:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B0B19E86D for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:50:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:50:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091203145039.KYQX1916.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:50:39 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Ceqf1d00D4Z9Gks02eqfz0; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:50:39 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=9tK8qDocUdHyTh4SuMJ11C5D7LU6fiUPuCNIFLAEGU4= c=1 sm=1 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:17 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=gA5Fz9VykjdJ0yBtkeYA:9 a=TYEDgEUTwxpnF6HtNesA:7 a=brd7o1hzhwhHRyP_h0r_cra0pMIA:4 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:50:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 15:50:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17d047285604877110844 Dawid, This is certainly an extreme view with bitrs of truth, but in reality, it remains an extreme view . Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawid Loubser" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:49 AM Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave > Chris, > > A individual or a company cannot, of course, take itself to court. > > I made the assertion that a publicly-traded corporation is legally > mandated to > pursue the monetary interest of its shareholders above all else. > Certainly > in U.S. and UK legal systems. This is, to my mind, damaging to mankind. > > If anybody doubts this, I suggest they read the book "The Corporation" > by > law professor Joel Bakan. > > Bakan's argument includes the point that the corporation's sole reason > for being is to enhance the profits and power of the corporation. He > shows > (by citing court cases) that it is the *duty* of management to make > money and > that any compromise with that duty is *dereliction of duty*. > > Another point he illustrates (again, by citing court cases) > is that "corporations are designed to externalize their costs." > The corporation is "deliberately programmed, indeed legally compelled, > to > externalize costs without regard for the harm it may cause to people, > communities, and the natural environment. Every cost it can unload > onto someone > else is a benefit to itself, a direct route to profit." > > It was an interesting and eye-opening read indeed, when I first laid > eyes on it > about 5 years ago. > > regards, > Dawid > > On 03 Dec 2009, at 11:08 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> Dawid >> >> They would be taking themselves to court if that were the case. >> >> Chris >> >> On 3 Dec 2009, at 08:08, Dawid Loubser wrote: >> >>> By law, the primary purpose of a publically-traded corporation is to >>> make profit >>> for its shareholders. Any shareholder can take a corporation to court >>> if, for example, >>> the corporation took steps (such as doing e.g. a "good deed") which >>> caused a drop in the >>> shareholder's investment. There reverse is not true, however. >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 19:43:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 15:54:53 2009 Received: (qmail 31509 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 14:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 14:54:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3456E181D6 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:54:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA10DE24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC71E34AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:53:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4128C34AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:53:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091203145350.IRRU6358.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:53:50 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Cetq1d00F4Z9Gks02etq6N; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:53:50 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=5EcAHbcW9k0ATUrNd8Xe5/UYiESF2UOSEBPYPCpI+bQ= c=1 sm=1 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:17 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=he5QUmt6AAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=tzB--l5NhDwFYcP-9vUA:9 a=LPKHQQBbRPmmn6U_AmYA:7 a=XIwQJZ2HMccVhwYnDB-jaBDi2BsA:4 a=R4WQGk8rqDwA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=KXlkqgLmwLHmnaoi:21 a=i6nLiZT8jhWletQ8:21 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><0D7E1FDB-918D-41EF-A18B-975257D1FF90@threeshoes.net> <4B17B718.1000205@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:53:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 15:54:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17d13d134071234514069 Good point, first rule, not rule of law. In fact, virtually every charitable organization in the US is a corporation. The distinction 'non-porfit corporation' is given as a classification by the IRS for accounting and taxation purposes. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave >A corporations first rule is making a profit. People be damned. Too > big to fail should be allowed to fail. Kerplunk.....circle the bowl.... > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Chris Barker wrote: >> You might be right, Dawid, in your wariness, but a successful >> organisation has to be big to survive or it will be taken over by a >> larger one. Just look at what Microsoft does when it needs a new bit >> of software ... >> >> But I don't agree that a corporation is required by law to make money >> for its shareholders; it must be successful to retain shareholders >> and profit normally contributes to that success. But a company must >> have several facets to its operation to be successful and one of >> those will be its care for the client or customer. >> >> I use Google for Gmail and Apps. My 2 domains have email going >> through Google and it is very effective, being IMAP rather than POP. >> Wave is in its infancy so we shall have to wait and see. Does your >> final paragraph mean that you would like an invitation? >> >> Chris >> >> On 2 Dec 2009, at 13:07, Dawid Loubser wrote: >> >>> P.S. I am greatly concerned about the inherent power people place >>> in the hands of a single corporation like Google (who is by law >>> mandated to make money for their shareholders above all other >>> causes) in the form of willingly hosting or channeling *all* forms >>> of information: >>> >>> - e-mail - documents - calendars - contact info - geographic / >>> photographic information regarding locations - etc etc >>> >>> through this one company. Why do people trust Google so much? Far >>> too much power that can affect far too many people are in the hands >>> of one money- making machine. >>> >>> I truly believe that services such as web search must be via fully >>> open-source software hosted on publicly-funded infrastructure. >>> Google has woven themselves into society to such an extent, that >>> their existence is almost guaranteed no matter what evil things >>> they may choose to do. >>> >>> That is not right... Do we really want a world where ONE >>> corporation owns your information, your web browser, your phone, >>> your operating system, etc etc? >>> >>> Anyway, I just have a very bad feeling about all of this. On the >>> topic of "Waves" though, for anybody who's read their information, >>> the idea is quite a novel attempt at superseding older (but >>> successful) forms of message-based communication, such as e- mail. >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 19:43:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 16:18:41 2009 Received: (qmail 10545 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 15:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 15:18:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E73E18061 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03F9E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1C419E997 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:18:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123DD19E979 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:18:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:18:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.10]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU300M6016VRIC0@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:18:31 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmMQAHdlF0sY4Mhn/2dsb2JhbACBSIhezmUKhCgEhWg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,335,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="95191766" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:22:23 -0400 Message-id: <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:18:31 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6155 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 16:18:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17d6d1294671073733319 Chris : Suggest you pick up a copy of "Madoff, The Man Who Stole $65 billion" by Erin Arvedlund, published by Penguin. If you think that RB of Scotland or Northern Rock were fiascos you'll find the Madoff book beyond jaw dropping. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave > Dawid > > Thanks for that clarification, but it's not a legal requirement to > maximise the profits, merely what the shareholders will expect or they > will take their capital elsewhere. > > I sympathise with your wariness of corporations, especially large ones. I > base my support for Google on my (perhaps naive) belief in the moral > rectitude of its management. Combined with that is the efficacy of its > projects: I enjoy using each of its gizmos. My antipathy towards > Microsoft, on the other hand is based on the opposite qualities: I > mistrust it and their products are, for the most part, bad or no fun to > use. > > I am tempted to read that book, but I hesitate on the grounds of trying > maintain a certain good humour in these dark winter months. I am > naturallly biased against large money-making enterprises and I am not sure > that I want that bias vindicated. There is enough to do so in the > newspapers in this country -- witness large bonus payments to bankers > whose jobs are based on the taxpayers' bailout only last year. > > Now look what you've done, Dawid: you've made me swear in public, > "bankers!". > > Chris > ;-) > > On 3 Dec 2009, at 09:49, Dawid Loubser wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> A individual or a company cannot, of course, take itself to court. >> >> I made the assertion that a publicly-traded corporation is legally >> mandated to >> pursue the monetary interest of its shareholders above all else. >> Certainly >> in U.S. and UK legal systems. This is, to my mind, damaging to mankind. >> >> If anybody doubts this, I suggest they read the book "The Corporation" >> by >> law professor Joel Bakan. >> >> Bakan's argument includes the point that the corporation's sole reason >> for being is to enhance the profits and power of the corporation. He >> shows >> (by citing court cases) that it is the *duty* of management to make >> money and >> that any compromise with that duty is *dereliction of duty*. >> >> Another point he illustrates (again, by citing court cases) >> is that "corporations are designed to externalize their costs." >> The corporation is "deliberately programmed, indeed legally compelled, >> to >> externalize costs without regard for the harm it may cause to people, >> communities, and the natural environment. Every cost it can unload >> onto someone >> else is a benefit to itself, a direct route to profit." >> >> It was an interesting and eye-opening read indeed, when I first laid >> eyes on it >> about 5 years ago. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 16:32:24 2009 Received: (qmail 13369 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 15:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 15:32:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6F6E1822B for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07389E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:32:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D728834AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:32:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824EB34AC026 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:32:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sproul3-54-188.ucr.edu (sproul3-54-188.ucr.edu [138.23.54.188]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id KAO25983 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:32:16 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:32:16 -0800 Message-Id: <33DE9A16-3E4A-4BC4-B1EA-B741FCD3385B@ucr.edu> References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 16:32:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17da0828561006886880 makes perfect sense, oddly. On Dec 3, 2009, at 1:22 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > 'cos grammar is a language and not proper logic? > How's that sound - just made it up. :-) > 'Andrew Fildes.' > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 03/12/2009, at 6:27 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > >> Makes sense to me, why would you have the full-stop inside the >> quotation >> marks unless you were quoting the full-stop too ? > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 16:35:43 2009 Received: (qmail 22227 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 15:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 15:35:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D20CE18246 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F5FE24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:34:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBDA34AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:34:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C2E34AC007 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:34:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f210.google.com (mail-ew0-f210.google.com [209.85.219.210]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:34:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so598108ewy.8 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.96.202 with SMTP id i10mr9289082ebn.99.1259854477171; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm1369107ewy.10.2009.12.03.07.34.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:34:36 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:34:35 +0000 Message-Id: <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 16:35:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17dacf97591234514069 Now, John, you're determined to make me feel sad for the rest of the day ;-) But it's beyond me how the investors didn't see that "too good to be true" means "it can't be true". Chris On 3 Dec 2009, at 15:18, John Hudson wrote: > Chris : Suggest you pick up a copy of "Madoff, The Man Who Stole $65 > billion" by Erin Arvedlund, published by Penguin. If you think that RB of > Scotland or Northern Rock were fiascos you'll find the Madoff book beyond > jaw dropping. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 17:01:36 2009 Received: (qmail 29826 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 16:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 16:01:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFCAE18246 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:01:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587A4E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:01:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3468C34AC026 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:01:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A886834AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:01:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:01:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.68]) by mta04.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU300I5B36HO1F0@mta04.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:01:29 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmMQAMZvF0sY4Mhn/2dsb2JhbACBSIhezkcKhCgEhWg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,336,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="678832167" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:05:19 -0400 Message-id: <72604A6A74194C4BB4832808B3AF6092@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:01:27 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6155 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 17:01:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17e0e059684877110844 He hoodwinked the biggest, the brightest, the most accomplished, numerous large and small banks around the world, the SEC, state pension funds, big and small hedge fund managers, and the list goes on. And it went on for decades. RBS, Northern Rock and the like are very small beer in comparison. You have to read this book to figure out why "too good to be true" was wholly discounted by those who got caught up in the scam. It's a "can't put down book" for those who enjoy thrillers. jh ps: as an aside, those who have investments in financial instutions / mutual funds / unit trusts / hedge funds, etc this Madoff book implicitly raises the question of how many other Madoff like scams are up and running today. Sounds fanciful ? Read this book and one will have a completely different take on the issue. The one point the book drives home is that the whole regulatory environment is simply incapable of providing any significant degree of assurance that Madoff like scams can be prevented from starting and continuing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave > Now, John, you're determined to make me feel sad for the rest of the day > ;-) > > But it's beyond me how the investors didn't see that "too good to be true" > means "it can't be true". > > Chris > On 3 Dec 2009, at 15:18, John Hudson wrote: > >> Chris : Suggest you pick up a copy of "Madoff, The Man Who Stole $65 >> billion" by Erin Arvedlund, published by Penguin. If you think that RB of >> Scotland or Northern Rock were fiascos you'll find the Madoff book beyond >> jaw dropping. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 17:14:27 2009 Received: (qmail 21843 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 16:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 16:14:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB00E1819A for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832BCE24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DA734AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:14:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D6934AC029 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:14:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f210.google.com (mail-ew0-f210.google.com [209.85.219.210]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so643114ewy.8 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:14:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.3.140 with SMTP id 12mr9242466ebn.20.1259856858211; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:14:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm1385886ewy.12.2009.12.03.08.14.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:14:17 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <72604A6A74194C4BB4832808B3AF6092@hudson> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:14:16 +0000 Message-Id: References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <72604A6A74194C4BB4832808B3AF6092@hudson> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 17:14:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17e3e379567801554290 I'll have a look at it, then, John. Thanks Chris On 3 Dec 2009, at 16:01, John Hudson wrote: > He hoodwinked the biggest, the brightest, the most accomplished, numerous > large and small banks around the world, the SEC, state pension funds, big > and small hedge fund managers, and the list goes on. And it went on for > decades. RBS, Northern Rock and the like are very small beer in comparison. > > You have to read this book to figure out why "too good to be true" was > wholly discounted by those who got caught up in the scam. > > It's a "can't put down book" for those who enjoy thrillers. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 18:01:29 2009 Received: (qmail 31438 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 17:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 17:01:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875CEE182AB for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7742E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:01:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEFF34AC029 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:01:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EA734AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:01:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:01:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.52]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU300MS85Y6R0H0@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:01:18 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmMQAJt9F0sY4Mhn/2dsb2JhbACBSIhezmAKhCgE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,336,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="630360632" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:05:09 -0400 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:01:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6155 Subject: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 18:01:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17eee953327801554290 Does anyone have an Olympus RM-1 remote shutter release device for the E3 ? Are there any downsides to the use of this device other than having to be within close visual range of the camera ? John Hudson __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 18:08:16 2009 Received: (qmail 7331 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 17:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 17:08:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39047E181D8 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:08:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7AFE24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D196F3610001 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:07:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F27D34AC007 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:07:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.36]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KU3004RN68WZKY0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:07:44 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:11:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:07:44 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmMQAIV/F0sY4Mhn/2dsb2JhbACBSIhezmgKhCgEhWg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,336,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="493607967" X-EsetScannerBuild: 6155 References: <062B975A-CEA2-4282-94F7-98395EC6C704@frozenlight.eu> <4B0CFAE6.70908@chucknorcutt.com> <5F810036-4402-4F25-8EE2-BE3F6AAD12A4@frozenlight.eu> <4B14E317.9090508@gmail.com> <6BABB43682024EDBBDB383068804D6FD@hudson> <4B1590D8.4020104@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] out and about with my DZ 7-14 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 18:08:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17f080143331234514069 I think they were installed to catch the bodies of those who fell out of tall buildings. Bit like wanting to avoid the mess Mitch Leary must have caused after his dust up with Frank Horrigon :-) Seriously. they were likely erected when Calgary and Alberta were awash with cash when oil was $150 a barrel. Different times now. I doubt that Calgary city council is looking to invest in more fancy street furniture any time soon. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [OM] out and about with my DZ 7-14 > You and your 7-14 do a nice job. But it looks like Calgary could be a > scary place. It looks like there must be some incredibly gigantic flies > around there > > Chuck Norcutt > > > John Hudson wrote: >> I was in Alberta last week with my 7-14 >> >> Seen here are some shots taken in Calgary looking up at tall buildings >> >> www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta04.html >> >> Seen here are some shots taken in Calgary looking down from a tall >> building >> >> www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta05.html >> >> Seen here are some shots taken in cloudy and snowy weather at an >> otherwise >> very nice location. >> >> www.johnhudsonphoto.com/Alberta06.html >> >> jh >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 4651 (20091201) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4652 (20091201) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4652 (20091201) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 18:36:23 2009 Received: (qmail 10605 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5B9E18255 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C435DE24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:36:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86EE19EF42 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:36:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B27C19EF3E for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:36:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:36:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by QMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ChRt1d0021HpZEsADhcHFg; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:36:17 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ChcG1d00F2Axmu48ahcGbX; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:36:17 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net><012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net><3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson><885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:36:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 18:36:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b17f717317521006886880 Not with an E3, but with a C2100. My only complaint was that it was set up to be used only from in front of the camera. However, someone on the OlyC2100 mail list said that his 8 year old came up with a piece of aluminum foil and a pipe cleaner and rigged a reflector so the it could be fired from behind. I had a cat that like to crawl around on the back of my chair and on my shoulders, and I used it to get a few self portraits with the cat. The only way I could get it done without her leaving. LOL I suppose you could rig some kind of reflector attached to either the hot shoe or the tripod mount. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hudson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:01 AM Subject: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 > Does anyone have an Olympus RM-1 remote shutter release device for the E3 > ? > > Are there any downsides to the use of this device other than having to be > within close visual range of the camera ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 19:37:04 2009 Received: (qmail 17397 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 18:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 18:37:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAF4E18200 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BE3E24AA3 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:36:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302AF34AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:36:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEDC34AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:36:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f210.google.com (mail-ew0-f210.google.com [209.85.219.210]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so804544ewy.8 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.50.9 with SMTP id x9mr7076428ebf.38.1259865409126; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm1455323ewy.14.2009.12.03.10.36.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:36:48 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:36:46 +0000 Message-Id: <87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 19:37:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b180550198331342116753 No disadvantages, John. It's a good little device. The max range depends on which of the camera's sensors youi are using, but it works well. Chris On 3 Dec 2009, at 17:01, John Hudson wrote: > Does anyone have an Olympus RM-1 remote shutter release device for the E3 ? > > Are there any downsides to the use of this device other than having to be > within close visual range of the camera ? > > John Hudson -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 20:07:48 2009 Received: (qmail 4554 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 19:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 19:07:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EE1E18198 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2672E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932A53610002 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:07:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C953034AC026 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:07:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:07:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.68]) by mta05.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU3001WGBSJ3MM0@mta05.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:07:31 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4SACObF0sY4Mhn/2dsb2JhbACBSIhezX0KhCgEhWg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,336,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="679003200" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:11:22 -0400 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:07:21 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6155 Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 20:07:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b180c84201741220213263 Having looked at the E3 instruction book [page 123 refers] I am inclined to think that the RM-CB1 remote cable might be a better bet for me. Any opinions Chris ? You say that the max range for the RM-1 depends on which of the camera's sensors one is using. I see the red self timer / remote control lamp / remote control receiver sensor above the lens release button. Which other sensors does the RM-1 work with ? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 > No disadvantages, John. It's a good little device. > > The max range depends on which of the camera's sensors youi are using, but > it works well. > > Chris > > On 3 Dec 2009, at 17:01, John Hudson wrote: > >> Does anyone have an Olympus RM-1 remote shutter release device for the E3 >> ? >> >> Are there any downsides to the use of this device other than having to be >> within close visual range of the camera ? >> >> John Hudson > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 20:28:05 2009 Received: (qmail 17426 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 19:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 19:28:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610C2E18246 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E955E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:27:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B531CD49B for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:27:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F04B1CD49C for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:27:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f210.google.com (mail-ew0-f210.google.com [209.85.219.210]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:27:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so861062ewy.8 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.15.17 with SMTP id i17mr6694495eba.32.1259868475054; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm1484252ewy.4.2009.12.03.11.27.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:27:54 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:27:52 +0000 Message-Id: References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 20:28:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b181145240961413256596 Sorry, John, I was confusing it with the E-1 which had 2 sensors as far as I can remember. I have just used my RM-1 9 yards from the camera in a partly lit room. This makes it more versatile, really than the cable. Chris On 3 Dec 2009, at 19:07, John Hudson wrote: > Having looked at the E3 instruction book [page 123 refers] I am inclined to > think that the RM-CB1 remote cable might be a better bet for me. > > Any opinions Chris ? > > You say that the max range for the RM-1 depends on which of the camera's > sensors one is using. > > I see the red self timer / remote control lamp / remote control receiver > sensor above the lens release button. Which other sensors does the RM-1 work > with ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 20:53:18 2009 Received: (qmail 21678 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 19:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 19:53:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A064E1822E for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8746E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E6D1CD497 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:53:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B931CD495 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:53:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:53:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 41.122.144.100 ([41.122.144.100]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 607 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:07:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za> From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 21:52:59 +0200 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 20:53:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b18172e315831234514069 Fair enough, my views sometimes do come across as too extreme, it must be the Boer in me... Perhaps instead of an extreme view, you should simply read (in my comments) a wariness to trust big publicly traded corporations. I am of the opinion that, in every possible scenario, when they have to choose between shareholder profit, and the greater good, they will always choose shareholder profit, even when the cost of choice is loss of life, environmental destruction, etc. It's not their fault, it's what a corporation is designed to do :-) On 03 Dec 2009, at 4:50 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > Dawid, > > This is certainly an extreme view with bitrs of truth, but in > reality, it > remains an extreme view . > > Bill Pearce -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 21:21:52 2009 Received: (qmail 10654 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 20:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 20:21:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2D9E18244 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:21:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36493E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281E41CD495 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:21:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7AF1CD486 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:21:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:21:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so1820663fxm.28 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:21:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.91.12 with SMTP id g12mr703546wef.33.1259871705309; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:21:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:21:45 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912031221m2825e08er25f79e863020df37@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 21:21:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b181de0302501879814018 On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Sorry, John, I was confusing it with the E-1 which had 2 sensors as far a= s I can remember. > > I have just used my RM-1 9 yards from the camera in a partly lit room. = =A0 This makes it more versatile, really than the cable. > > Chris I think the cable would be more of a sure thing though and I wouldn't mind one for macro shooting especially. I find think the E-3 fires a little less readily than the E-1 because of where the sensor is located on the E-3 -- in the valley of the grip instead of the edge. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 21:30:12 2009 Received: (qmail 17698 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 20:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 20:30:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FB4E1822E for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DB5E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5B434AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:30:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0F734AC028 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:30:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4ti@photographer.net whitelisted) Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [204.127.217.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from scootermark (adsl-068-153-162-102.sip.mia.bellsouth.net[68.153.162.102]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20091203203003H01002pdqke>; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:30:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.153.162.102] Message-ID: <12e601ca7457$6d3f9260$0301a8c0@scootermark> From: To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net><012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net><3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson><885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net><87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:30:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 21:30:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b181fd4129261234514069 I have both the CB-1 and the RM-1 I use the RM-1 all the time. I have been using it for 4+ years now. Starting with the C5050 (which we still use), E10, E330 and E520. I actually have about 4 of them so that one can always remain in the studio, one in each camera bag. The frontal range on any of the cameras is easily 25Ft+ The cameras with the rear sensors do not seam to get that distance. Now if you are never a few feet from the camera, the CB-1 is great. You do not have to worry about angle. We use it on the copystand mounted camera. Mark Calzaretta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 > Sorry, John, I was confusing it with the E-1 which had 2 sensors as far as > I can remember. > > I have just used my RM-1 9 yards from the camera in a partly lit room. > This makes it more versatile, really than the cable. > > Chris > > On 3 Dec 2009, at 19:07, John Hudson wrote: > >> Having looked at the E3 instruction book [page 123 refers] I am inclined >> to >> think that the RM-CB1 remote cable might be a better bet for me. >> >> Any opinions Chris ? >> >> You say that the max range for the RM-1 depends on which of the camera's >> sensors one is using. >> >> I see the red self timer / remote control lamp / remote control receiver >> sensor above the lens release button. Which other sensors does the RM-1 >> work >> with ? > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2542 - Release Date: 12/03/09 02:32:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 21:45:09 2009 Received: (qmail 15154 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 20:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 20:45:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9EEE1822B for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:45:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B529E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7581CD49A for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 21:45:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b182355203771342116753 > > I have just used my RM-1 9 yards from the camera in a partly lit room. > This makes it more versatile, really than the cable. > "Partly lit room" is a key here, these remotes are less effective in brighter light. ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 22:01:44 2009 Received: (qmail 27616 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 21:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 21:01:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4E3E1824C for ; 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Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:01:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0912031221m2825e08er25f79e863020df37@mail.gmail.com> References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> <9e908c1f0912031221m2825e08er25f79e863020df37@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:01:35 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8439765cd657b5c3 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 22:01:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b182738117313900897491 I'm reminded of one thing Olympus did with the IS-3 back in the '90s. This camera had the IR sensor located in such a fashion, with a secondary window that the wireless remote would work in front of, behind and above the camera. I've repeatably said to internal sources how important that is and the need to bring it back with the E-thingies. Alas, we still have worthless IR remote control. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 22:09:48 2009 Received: (qmail 14993 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 21:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 21:09:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B599E181B9 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:09:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2823E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:09:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7306534AC026 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:09:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DE934AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:09:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31744 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2009 21:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 21:07:40 -0000 Message-Id: <5745ACF2-3202-4422-9718-2E63601C29FA@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:09:37 +1100 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> <8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 22:09:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b18291c278061234514069 It's all a bit more subtle than you suggest Dawid but it's not really an extreme view. The fact that charities have incorporate in the US and elsewhere is not really an objection - so do private schools and all sorts of other institutions. That's merely a legal convenience and they do not have shareholders as such. They are a different class of thing although they will often act badly as well. But if we look at a business corporation, that's where the thesis holds good and the best example is the way in which corporations in developed economies have chased cheap labour by moving offshore. My own view is that the sole reason for any corporation to exist in a society is to provide services - and those services include the production of goods and also employment. Unless it does that, it has little value to that society and does not deserve its protection. Most decent economists will assign some fairly heavy value to that but they do not work in corporations, or at least, not for long. Some here may consider that socialism or extreme but so be it - without that mindset, we allow sharks to circle within our midst and to apply their own dubious ethics. I'm fond of Robert Michel's Iron Law of Oligarchy which is based on the idea that individuals will always act in their own self-interest in organisations - if we see the corporation as an individual (and the law does) then the same rule applies within society. It does not matter what the Mission Statement or the Press Releases claim - they are written and issued in the self-interest of the entity and will be discard immediately if they do no longer match the shifting interest of the corporation. The same goes for 'Policy' - that's extremely mutable and the response 'I'm afraid that's our policy' should always be rejected as a reason or excuse for poor behaviour. I once went for an advertising job with Kodak in Melbourne, which I did not get. I fluffed one question - 'What is the purpose of advertising?' I gave too academic an answer. The correct response was 'To sell product.' Plain, brutal and regardless of consequence. 'Customer satisfaction'? That's to keep them coming back for more. Tobacco, Macdonalds, Coca Cola - sell an addictive product. Bottom line - increase profit, dividend, yield - grow and stay healthy in a corporate sense. The duty is to the shareholder, not the employee or the customer - because the shareholder can hurt them directly and immediately. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/12/2009, at 6:52 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > Fair enough, my views sometimes do come across as too extreme, it must > be > the Boer in me... Perhaps instead of an extreme view, you should > simply > read (in my comments) a wariness to trust big publicly traded > corporations. > > I am of the opinion that, in every possible scenario, when they have > to choose > between shareholder profit, and the greater good, they will always > choose shareholder > profit, even when the cost of choice is loss of life, environmental > destruction, etc. > > It's not their fault, it's what a corporation is designed to do :-) > > > On 03 Dec 2009, at 4:50 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > >> Dawid, >> >> This is certainly an extreme view with bitrs of truth, but in >> reality, it >> remains an extreme view . >> >> Bill Pearce > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 22:16:12 2009 Received: (qmail 32025 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 21:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 21:16:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10C2E18247 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6197AE240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E7A34AC026 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:16:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A68134AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:16:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.150]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so396514eyb.8 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.90.136 with SMTP id i8mr2214648ebm.83.1259874965051; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm1544782ewy.5.2009.12.03.13.16.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:16:04 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <000e01ca7459$78f9d230$6aed7690$@com.au> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 21:16:03 +0000 Message-Id: <6A4C9E55-1D3C-4D50-BA8C-72A51A52DD6A@threeshoes.net> References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> <000e01ca7459$78f9d230$6aed7690$@com.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 22:16:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b182a9c251016107113666 I wondered if that might be the case ... Chris On 3 Dec 2009, at 20:44, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> >> I have just used my RM-1 9 yards from the camera in a partly lit room. >> This makes it more versatile, really than the cable. >> > > "Partly lit room" is a key here, these remotes are less effective in > brighter light. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 22:19:12 2009 Received: (qmail 19725 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 21:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 21:19:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E646DE18214 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:19:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441A3E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279D034AC02A for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:19:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB2B34AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:19:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32237 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2009 21:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 21:17:07 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <72604A6A74194C4BB4832808B3AF6092@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:19:04 +1100 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <72604A6A74194C4BB4832808B3AF6092@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 22:19:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b182b50288281234514069 One of the most interesting fields of study around at the moment is the attempt to understand why really, really intelligent people do really, really stupid things. They are not immune - they just assume that they are. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/12/2009, at 3:01 AM, John Hudson wrote: > You have to read this book to figure out why "too good to be true" was > wholly discounted by those who got caught up in the scam. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 22:27:29 2009 Received: (qmail 18433 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 21:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 21:27:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0214BE1822E for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:27:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15666E240CA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E694534AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:27:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CEB34AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:27:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1484 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2009 21:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 21:25:24 -0000 Message-Id: <71795800-1E46-4EA2-9EF1-B4D036B5A1DE@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <12e601ca7457$6d3f9260$0301a8c0@scootermark> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:27:21 +1100 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net><012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net><3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson><885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net><87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> <12e601ca7457$6d3f9260$0301a8c0@scootermark> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 22:27:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b182d41253939752976205 I've used one of those cheap Chinese wireless triggers with Canons in the studio - the type where the receiver plugs into the cable release socket. Works well and you don't have to be in front. They are available for those Olys that have a cable socket. I assume that they are about as reliable as any of these Chinese transmitter devices and they are more convenient than a cable or lineof sight IR release.. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/12/2009, at 7:30 AM, wrote: > I have both the CB-1 and the RM-1 > > I use the RM-1 all the time. I have been using it for 4+ years now. > Starting > with the C5050 (which we still use), E10, E330 and E520. I actually > have > about 4 of them so that one can always remain in the studio, one in > each > camera bag. The frontal range on any of the cameras is easily 25Ft+ > > The cameras with the rear sensors do not seam to get that distance. > > Now if you are never a few feet from the camera, the CB-1 is great. > You do > not have to worry about angle. We use it on the copystand mounted > camera. > > Mark Calzaretta -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 22:47:12 2009 Received: (qmail 26135 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 21:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 21:47:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0440E1819A for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:47:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B02E24AA3 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:47:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765DF34AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:47:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C3634AC007 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:47:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so1907342fxm.28 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:47:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.143.212 with SMTP id l20mr213020hba.210.1259876821373; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:47:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <71795800-1E46-4EA2-9EF1-B4D036B5A1DE@people.net.au> References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> <12e601ca7457$6d3f9260$0301a8c0@scootermark> <71795800-1E46-4EA2-9EF1-B4D036B5A1DE@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:47:01 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 54745ca57e2d3ed9 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 22:47:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1831e0321201744846740 It's just too much to ask for a plunger-type cable-release. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 23:11:48 2009 Received: (qmail 8259 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 22:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 22:11:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EA5E18214 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0192FE24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABA634AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:11:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBAE34AC007 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:11:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:11:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10083 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2009 22:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) 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Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/12/2009, at 8:47 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > It's just too much to ask for a plunger-type cable-release. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 23:23:51 2009 Received: (qmail 18999 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 22:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 22:23:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D7EE181B9 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289E8E24AA3 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BB31CD498 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:23:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710D81CD48E for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:23:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21712 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2009 22:23:43 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091203-1, 12/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 23:23:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b183a77101475683411216 There are lots of wireless remote releases for sale on ebay for e-things. I don't know if the connector is the same for a C2100 but it should be hard to splice in a different connector. Search ebay with: wireless olympus remote release Chuck Norcutt Paul Laughlin wrote: > Not with an E3, but with a C2100. My only complaint was that it was set up > to be used only from in front of the camera. However, someone on the > OlyC2100 mail list said that his 8 year old came up with a piece of aluminum > foil and a pipe cleaner and rigged a reflector so the it could be fired from > behind. I had a cat that like to crawl around on the back of my chair and > on my shoulders, and I used it to get a few self portraits with the cat. > The only way I could get it done without her leaving. LOL I suppose you > could rig some kind of reflector attached to either the hot shoe or the > tripod mount. > Paul in Portland OR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hudson" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:01 AM > Subject: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 > > >> Does anyone have an Olympus RM-1 remote shutter release device for the E3 >> ? >> >> Are there any downsides to the use of this device other than having to be >> within close visual range of the camera ? > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 23:29:14 2009 Received: (qmail 4246 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 22:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 22:29:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE16E18065 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:29:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED855E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC79319EF5A for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:29:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFF219EF42 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:29:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so208915fgb.8 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:29:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.138.35 with SMTP id n35mr249459hbn.30.1259879345901; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:29:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> <12e601ca7457$6d3f9260$0301a8c0@scootermark> <71795800-1E46-4EA2-9EF1-B4D036B5A1DE@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:29:05 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 406e850d8c0f6110 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 23:29:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b183bba135844877110844 > > Troglodyte! > ...excuse me while I finish chewing on this wooly mammoth bone... I suppose I fail to see the advantage in some dedicated piece of hardware that doesn't even work on all camera models within a brand, much less on other brands. When it fails, can you buy a replacement at the local Ritz? Altogether now, say it with me: "emmmm niiiine, emmmmm niiiiine". At least one camera company has it figured out. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 23:30:09 2009 Received: (qmail 2391 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 22:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 22:30:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BF1E1822D for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3B0E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B0219F052 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:30:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9881E19EF5A for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:30:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25535 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2009 22:29:59 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2009 22:29:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4B183BE6.2010306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:29:58 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net><012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net><3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson><885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <4B183A6E.5030005@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B183A6E.5030005@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091203-1, 12/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 23:30:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b183bf197971258626592 I should have said that most (if not all) of these devices are radio and not infrared. (boo on infrared). Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > There are lots of wireless remote releases for sale on ebay for > e-things. I don't know if the connector is the same for a C2100 but it > should be hard to splice in a different connector. > > Search ebay with: wireless olympus remote release > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Paul Laughlin wrote: >> Not with an E3, but with a C2100. My only complaint was that it was set up >> to be used only from in front of the camera. However, someone on the >> OlyC2100 mail list said that his 8 year old came up with a piece of aluminum >> foil and a pipe cleaner and rigged a reflector so the it could be fired from >> behind. I had a cat that like to crawl around on the back of my chair and >> on my shoulders, and I used it to get a few self portraits with the cat. >> The only way I could get it done without her leaving. LOL I suppose you >> could rig some kind of reflector attached to either the hot shoe or the >> tripod mount. >> Paul in Portland OR >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Hudson" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:01 AM >> Subject: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 >> >> >>> Does anyone have an Olympus RM-1 remote shutter release device for the E3 >>> ? >>> >>> Are there any downsides to the use of this device other than having to be >>> within close visual range of the camera ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Thu Dec 3 23:44:10 2009 Received: (qmail 1052 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 22:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 22:44:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED90AF54033 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31949E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1452819F360 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:43:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D8E19F356 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:43:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2214 invoked by uid 504); 3 Dec 2009 22:43:43 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 3 Dec 2009 22:43:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4B183F1E.50500@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:43:42 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> <12e601ca7457$6d3f9260$0301a8c0@scootermark> <71795800-1E46-4EA2-9EF1-B4D036B5A1DE@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091203-1, 12/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Dec 3 23:44:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b183f3a89871073733319 Doesn't matter if you don't even have a local Ritz. :-) Chuck (boondocks) Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> Troglodyte! >> > > ...excuse me while I finish chewing on this wooly mammoth bone... > > I suppose I fail to see the advantage in some dedicated piece of hardware > that doesn't even work on all camera models within a brand, much less on > other brands. When it fails, can you buy a replacement at the local Ritz? > > Altogether now, say it with me: "emmmm niiiine, emmmmm niiiiine". At least > one camera company has it figured out. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 00:43:09 2009 Received: (qmail 5092 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2009 23:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 3 Dec 2009 23:43:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4D0E18247 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:43:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A13E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:43:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D9234AC027 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:43:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C5A34AC007 for ; 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(218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 00:00:47 -0000 Message-Id: <7F9BF3DB-2A92-4C00-8C0F-0D70D387EF4E@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:02:45 +1100 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> <12e601ca7457$6d3f9260$0301a8c0@scootermark> <71795800-1E46-4EA2-9EF1-B4D036B5A1DE@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 01:02:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1851b0251091560218263 One more lost standard. Using a Sony a550 at present - they've kept the Minolta fetish for ignoring that other great universal standard - the hot shoe. Idiots. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/12/2009, at 9:29 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > ...excuse me while I finish chewing on this wooly mammoth bone... > > I suppose I fail to see the advantage in some dedicated piece of > hardware > that doesn't even work on all camera models within a brand, much > less on > other brands. When it fails, can you buy a replacement at the local > Ritz? > > Altogether now, say it with me: "emmmm niiiine, emmmmm niiiiine". > At least > one camera company has it figured out. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 01:52:55 2009 Received: (qmail 19168 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 00:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 00:52:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2D6E18212 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:52:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4474E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3007D34AC007 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:52:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883EA3610002 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:52:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so2025874fxm.28 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:52:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.220 with SMTP id l28mr255091hbe.117.1259887964239; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:52:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7F9BF3DB-2A92-4C00-8C0F-0D70D387EF4E@people.net.au> References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> <12e601ca7457$6d3f9260$0301a8c0@scootermark> <71795800-1E46-4EA2-9EF1-B4D036B5A1DE@people.net.au> <7F9BF3DB-2A92-4C00-8C0F-0D70D387EF4E@people.net.au> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:52:44 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0d1904b5dea036ad Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 01:52:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b185d6764871946193717 > > One more lost standard. Using a Sony a550 at present - they've kept > the Minolta fetish for ignoring that other great universal standard - > the hot shoe. Idiots. > LOL. Yes, I'm aware of that. Well aware of that, in fact. It's probably my one biggest beef I ever have had with the Minolta A1. I voted with my pocketbook, though. Never did buy a dedicated flash for it (or the E-1, either). Not that much of a biggy, though. I use either the stroboframe or off-camera flash. But it would have been nice to slide the ebay wireless flash triggers into the hotshoe. Minolta could be partially forgiven because the flash system was/is so good. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 02:43:44 2009 Received: (qmail 31781 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 01:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 01:43:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D5DE1829D for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:43:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF25E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47C81CD492 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:43:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482D11CD486 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:43:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6431 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2009 01:43:34 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091203-1, 12/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 02:43:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b186950241711612113968 Search oboy for "FS-1100". That's the Minolta to standard shoe adapter now long out of production. However, oboy has several (at least) varieties of shoe adapters referencing (but not necessarily the same as) the FS-1100. You'll have to review their claims for camera and flash compatibility. The real FS-1100 only provides three contacts which I think were for Minolta flash units prior to autofocus. For sure no TTL with film gear. I have one which I use to drive various flash units in manual mode only. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > One more lost standard. Using a Sony a550 at present - they've kept > the Minolta fetish for ignoring that other great universal standard - > the hot shoe. Idiots. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 04/12/2009, at 9:29 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > >> ...excuse me while I finish chewing on this wooly mammoth bone... >> >> I suppose I fail to see the advantage in some dedicated piece of >> hardware >> that doesn't even work on all camera models within a brand, much >> less on >> other brands. When it fails, can you buy a replacement at the local >> Ritz? >> >> Altogether now, say it with me: "emmmm niiiine, emmmmm niiiiine". >> At least >> one camera company has it figured out. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 02:45:20 2009 Received: (qmail 5545 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 01:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 01:45:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48CBE1819F for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:45:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AFBE24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EB61CD48E for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:45:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F262E1CD486 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:45:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7406 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2009 01:45:13 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091203-1, 12/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 02:45:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1869b080931234514069 Then you need an "FS-1100" too. Then you can put your trigger in the hot shoe. There are some pretty cheap oboy versions. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> One more lost standard. Using a Sony a550 at present - they've kept >> the Minolta fetish for ignoring that other great universal standard - >> the hot shoe. Idiots. >> > > LOL. Yes, I'm aware of that. Well aware of that, in fact. It's probably > my one biggest beef I ever have had with the Minolta A1. I voted with my > pocketbook, though. Never did buy a dedicated flash for it (or the E-1, > either). Not that much of a biggy, though. I use either the stroboframe or > off-camera flash. But it would have been nice to slide the ebay wireless > flash triggers into the hotshoe. > > Minolta could be partially forgiven because the flash system was/is so good. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 02:50:04 2009 Received: (qmail 10482 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 01:50:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 01:50:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96434E181A3 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:50:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C10BE24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527183610001 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:49:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF61A34AC025 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:49:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9887 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2009 01:49:55 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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216.175.81.53 Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 03:03:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b186dd6180425368819438 If you are looking for one let me know I have one new that I bought by mistake and have not used. jgettis81 at earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: John Hudson > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Date: 12/3/2009 11:11:22 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 > > Having looked at the E3 instruction book [page 123 refers] I am inclined to > think that the RM-CB1 remote cable might be a better bet for me. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 04:37:07 2009 Received: (qmail 24838 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 03:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 03:37:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBA0E1822D for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F80DE24AA2 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Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail05.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:36:55 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:36:55 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 04:37:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1883e3108941220213263 > Dawid Loubser wrote: > > I am of the opinion that, in every possible scenario, when they have > to choose > between shareholder profit, and the greater good, they will always > choose shareholder > profit, even when the cost of choice is loss of life, environmental > destruction, etc. > > It's not their fault, it's what a corporation is designed to do :-) > Geez, and I always thought big bonuses for the directors was the highest priority. I hope I haven't offended any company directors on the list ! ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 05:16:52 2009 Received: (qmail 3154 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 04:16:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 04:16:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D915E181CC for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:16:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959ADE24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C42134AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:16:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B1B34AC007 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:16:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29789 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 04:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 04:14:42 -0000 Message-Id: <2C820498-7719-4292-8D34-130A62CE54BB@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B186945.5080808@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:16:42 +1100 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> <12e601ca7457$6d3f9260$0301a8c0@scootermark> <71795800-1E46-4EA2-9EF1-B4D036B5A1DE@people.net.au> <7F9BF3DB-2A92-4C00-8C0F-0D70D387EF4E@people.net.au> <4B186945.5080808@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 05:16:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b188d34149924877110844 I know that! My local dealer has a half dozen of them in the bottom of the Sony cabinet just for that reason - at $80 each! But it's clumsy and unnecessary! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/12/2009, at 12:43 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Search oboy for "FS-1100". That's the Minolta to standard shoe > adapter > now long out of production. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 07:20:43 2009 Received: (qmail 17689 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 06:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 06:20:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A2DE1829E for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD3BE24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33CB1CD48E for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:20:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014961CD486 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:20:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com (mail-ew0-f214.google.com [209.85.219.214]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so191649ewy.29 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.99.134 with SMTP id u6mr751520ebn.66.1259907632762; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm1700411ewy.4.2009.12.03.22.20.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:20:32 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <5745ACF2-3202-4422-9718-2E63601C29FA@people.net.au> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 06:20:30 +0000 Message-Id: References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> <8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za> <5745ACF2-3202-4422-9718-2E63601C29FA@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 07:20:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b18aa3b124111073733319 That's one end of a continuum, Andrew. It is generally recognised, in the UK at least, that a healthy company remains profitable only if it takes into account the needs of its stakeholders: the employee, the customer, the general public et al. A well-run company doesn't tread on its employees. A case in point is Ryanair; it treads on most people, but its success is pretty fragile. I reckon that it will fail in the next couple of years because it will have run out of customers to treat like dirt. Chris On 3 Dec 2009, at 21:09, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Bottom line - increase profit, dividend, yield - grow and stay healthy > in a corporate sense. The duty is to the shareholder, not the employee > or the customer - because the shareholder can hurt them directly and > immediately. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 07:27:58 2009 Received: (qmail 11790 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 06:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 06:27:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D658CE181DE for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142C0E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE8B3610001 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:27:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F7434AC005 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:27:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp08.register.it [81.88.48.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16204 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 06:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.39.95.81) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2009 06:27:47 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 07:27:46 +0100 Message-Id: <9E17109E-6BFB-46D5-AA77-B92EB3E38740@frozenlight.eu> References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> <8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za> <5745ACF2-3202-4422-9718-2E63601C29FA@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 07:27:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b18abee80281234514069 Not sure about that, Chris. Every Ryanair flight I have been on in the past several years (including 2 this year) has been full. They are doing an excellent job of managing their load factor. And people are clearly voting with their wallets. I am no fan of them, prefer Easyjet, Norwegian, Air Berlin and other low-cost airlines. But I am glad Ryanair is around to pressure the others on price. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 4, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > That's one end of a continuum, Andrew. It is generally recognised, in the UK at least, that a healthy company remains profitable only if it takes into account the needs of its stakeholders: the employee, the customer, the general public et al. A well-run company doesn't tread on its employees. > > A case in point is Ryanair; it treads on most people, but its success is pretty fragile. I reckon that it will fail in the next couple of years because it will have run out of customers to treat like dirt. > > Chris > > On 3 Dec 2009, at 21:09, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> Bottom line - increase profit, dividend, yield - grow and stay healthy >> in a corporate sense. The duty is to the shareholder, not the employee >> or the customer - because the shareholder can hurt them directly and >> immediately. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 07:39:07 2009 Received: (qmail 31070 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 06:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 06:39:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE5EE18228 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD987E24AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30ED1CD496 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:39:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448C11CD486 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:39:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com (mail-ew0-f214.google.com [209.85.219.214]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:39:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so199871ewy.29 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:38:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.15.4 with SMTP id i4mr3583623eba.49.1259908739324; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:38:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm1709156ewy.5.2009.12.03.22.38.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:38:58 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <9E17109E-6BFB-46D5-AA77-B92EB3E38740@frozenlight.eu> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 06:38:57 +0000 Message-Id: References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> <8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za> <5745ACF2-3202-4422-9718-2E63601C29FA@people.net.au> <9E17109E-6BFB-46D5-AA77-B92EB3E38740@frozenlight.eu> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 07:39:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b18ae8b277515034211378 I hate their attitude to the rest of the world. They lost a CamCane of mine a few years ago; that could happen on any airline, but their attitude and the result convinced me that they were run by an arse. Just listen to any of their spokesmen on radio or television. And those cheap prices are being paid for by the planet of course ... Chris On 4 Dec 2009, at 06:27, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Not sure about that, Chris. Every Ryanair flight I have been on in the past several years (including 2 this year) has been full. They are doing an excellent job of managing their load factor. And people are clearly voting with their wallets. > > I am no fan of them, prefer Easyjet, Norwegian, Air Berlin and other low-cost airlines. But I am glad Ryanair is around to pressure the others on price. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 10:26:42 2009 Received: (qmail 15633 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 09:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 09:26:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C7CE18229 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 01:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9734DE24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 01:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF7819DDC1 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 01:26:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9785D19DDB5 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 01:26:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 01:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4023 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 09:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 09:24:24 -0000 Message-Id: <8D9348F4-DACF-4425-A021-42D6BF7A6BA0@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:26:28 +1100 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> <8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za> <5745ACF2-3202-4422-9718-2E63601C29FA@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 10:26:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b18d5d257391612113968 That's my point - it only behaves in an ethical fashion if and while it is in its best interests to do so. If it is better to behave 'badly' at any point, in pursuit of profit, then it will do so. Sacking the entire, loyal, hardworking factory workforce and moving offshore is a perfect example. Well run? - depends on how you define that idea. It is not a continuum between good and bad - it is a fundamental principle of self-interest which underlies all. Very Hobbesian. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/12/2009, at 5:20 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > That's one end of a continuum, Andrew. It is generally recognised, > in the UK at least, that a healthy company remains profitable only > if it takes into account the needs of its stakeholders: the > employee, the customer, the general public et al. A well-run > company doesn't tread on its employees. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 12:15:45 2009 Received: (qmail 2348 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 11:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 11:15:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD9AE1824E for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06238E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06B834AC007 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:15:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E44134AC005 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:15:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.10]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KU400606KLXUZ70@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:15:33 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:19:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:15:34 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <13E912A3FB0345ABBDA2AC19F1C648B2@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIRAJd9GEsY4Mhn/2dsb2JhbACBSIhekBy7WgqEKQSFaQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,340,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="95956026" X-EsetScannerBuild: 6159 References: <380-2200912542252453@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 12:15:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b18ef6152461234514069 John ........... I am very interested. How much are you asking? I am in metro Halifax, Nova Scotia. John H ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 > If you are looking for one let me know I have one new that I bought by > mistake and have not used. jgettis81 at earthlink.net > > >> [Original Message] >> From: John Hudson >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Date: 12/3/2009 11:11:22 AM >> Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 >> >> Having looked at the E3 instruction book [page 123 refers] I am inclined > to >> think that the RM-CB1 remote cable might be a better bet for me. > >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4660 (20091204) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4660 (20091204) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 12:53:49 2009 Received: (qmail 22529 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 11:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 11:53:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFF5E18198 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A573E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:53:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DFB3610001 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:53:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7E234AC025 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:53:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:53:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19689 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2009 11:53:42 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2009 11:53:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4B18F845.6040401@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:53:41 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <87535469-CF6B-483F-8210-24E95299F457@threeshoes.net> <12e601ca7457$6d3f9260$0301a8c0@scootermark> <71795800-1E46-4EA2-9EF1-B4D036B5A1DE@people.net.au> <7F9BF3DB-2A92-4C00-8C0F-0D70D387EF4E@people.net.au> <4B186945.5080808@chucknorcutt.com> <2C820498-7719-4292-8D34-130A62CE54BB@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <2C820498-7719-4292-8D34-130A62CE54BB@people.net.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091203-1, 12/03/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] RM-1 remote shutter release device for E3 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 12:53:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b18f84d160181950411718 Clumsy yes but necessary if you want to use the hot shoe. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > I know that! My local dealer has a half dozen of them in the bottom of > the Sony cabinet just for that reason - at $80 each! > But it's clumsy and unnecessary! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 04/12/2009, at 12:43 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Search oboy for "FS-1100". That's the Minolta to standard shoe >> adapter >> now long out of production. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 12:55:37 2009 Received: (qmail 24165 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 11:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 11:55:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7D5E18200 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6BBEE24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25D619E37E for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:55:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356AD19E37D for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:55:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:55:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091204115500663.HSUJ20286@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:55:00 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B17C211.1080803@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 06:55:00 -0500 References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> <4B17C211.1080803@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 12:55:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b18f8b95741234514069 She's beautiful, Chris. What a joy she must be to have around. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com > > Chris Barker wrote: >> And here are a few shots of our granddaughter, 5 months old and >> playing on our bed in the morning, the weekend before last: >> >> http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100093 >> >> E-420 and 25/2.8 at ISO 800, catalogued and output with Aperture. >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 13:02:21 2009 Received: (qmail 16000 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 12:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 12:02:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0270FE18065 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:02:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4FEE24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CB434AC029 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:02:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3958834AC026 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:02:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091204120213533.ZELL1964@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:02:13 +0000 Message-Id: <57FD84FC-D038-4187-9633-84610D08D66E@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 07:02:13 -0500 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <72604A6A74194C4BB4832808B3AF6092@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 13:02:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b18fa4d143911946193717 If so-called "really, really intelligent people" do "really, really stupid things," is it not correct to question how "smart" they were/ are to begin with? --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Dec 3, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > One of the most interesting fields of study around at the moment is > the attempt to understand why really, really intelligent people do > really, really stupid things. They are not immune - they just assume > that they are. > Andrew Fildes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 13:05:08 2009 Received: (qmail 22533 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 12:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 12:05:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA0CE18245 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E886EE24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02B034AC007 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:05:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89AAB34AC005 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:05:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:04:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091204120458772.HNTT5818@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:04:58 +0000 Message-Id: <173619C2-CEDB-42F2-9503-BA4CA5B88901@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 07:04:58 -0500 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> <8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za> <5745ACF2-3202-4422-9718-2E63601C29FA@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 13:05:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b18faf452261879814018 I would have to say, based on my own experience, that if we accept your statement, we must also accept there are damed few well-run companies around. At least on this side of the pond. Oh, I suppose that isn't really fair. We always here exhaustively about the crap, but rarely about the good folks who run good companies and treat their people right. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:20 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > A well-run company doesn't tread on its employees. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 14:27:33 2009 Received: (qmail 3012 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 13:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 13:27:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E590E18277 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 05:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D484E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 05:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F074F19E6F3 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 05:27:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C39919E6ED for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 05:27:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 05:27:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.20]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU400DEUQPODBC0@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:27:24 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8PAICdGEsY4Mhn/2dsb2JhbACBSIhezFYKhCkE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,340,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="643563485" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:31:19 -0400 Message-id: <307C602A46154BDA8B31137193E771C8@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> <8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za> <5745ACF2-3202-4422-9718-2E63601C29FA@people.net.au> <173619C2-CEDB-42F2-9503-BA4CA5B88901@roadrunner.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:27:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6159 Subject: [OM] multi page Olympus advertising X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 14:27:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b190e45114811342116753 4 Dec 2009 Today's broadsheet daily paper here in Halifax, NS contains a four full page colour insert from Olympus featuring the Olympus Pen E-P1 and E-P2 along with various attachments. This is the first time I have seen any such inserts exclusively from Olympus advertising their cameras. Is this insert exclusive to Nova Scotia or have list members elsewhere caught sight of it as well? jh __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4660 (20091204) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 14:47:28 2009 Received: (qmail 7581 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 13:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 13:47:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA95E181CC for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 05:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CC9E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 05:47:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3A919E79E for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 05:47:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA4619E790 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 05:47:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (martin.walters@nrcan-rncan.gc.ca whitelisted) Received: from S0-OTT-XSMTP3.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca (s0-ott-xsmtp3.nrcan.gc.ca [132.156.36.56]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 05:47:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from s0-ott-x4.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca ([132.156.36.208]) by S0-OTT-XSMTP3.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:47:20 -0500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:47:19 -0500 Message-ID: In-reply-to: <307C602A46154BDA8B31137193E771C8@hudson> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OM] multi page Olympus advertising Thread-Index: Acp05Yg4lZyZLjLXTIa0zlzezg5PXAAAqWRg References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net><4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome><8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za><5745ACF2-3202-4422-9718-2E63601C29FA@people.net.au><173619C2-CEDB-42F2-9503-BA4CA5B88901@roadrunner.com> <307C602A46154BDA8B31137193E771C8@hudson> From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2009 13:47:20.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D1DE540:01CA74E8] Subject: Re: [OM] multi page Olympus advertising X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 14:47:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1912f0184911073733319 John: It's here in Ottawa too. Had the same reaction. Martin -----Original Message----- From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:27 AM To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] multi page Olympus advertising 4 Dec 2009 Today's broadsheet daily paper here in Halifax, NS contains a four full page colour insert from Olympus featuring the Olympus Pen E-P1 and E-P2 along with various attachments. This is the first time I have seen any such inserts exclusively from Olympus advertising their cameras. Is this insert exclusive to Nova Scotia or have list members elsewhere caught sight of it as well? jh __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4660 (20091204) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 15:02:41 2009 Received: (qmail 17453 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 14:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 14:02:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425D9E18255 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 06:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B72E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 06:02:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD2B19E83B for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 06:02:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D847619E843 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 06:02:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 06:02:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.20]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU400DIFSC9D9F0@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:02:33 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8PAJ+lGEsY4Mhn/2dsb2JhbACBSIhezGgKhCkEhWk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,341,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="643587091" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:06:27 -0400 Message-id: <353AD764E71F498996E06658B793038D@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> <8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za> <5745ACF2-3202-4422-9718-2E63601C29FA@people.net.au> <173619C2-CEDB-42F2-9503-BA4CA5B88901@roadrunner.com> <307C602A46154BDA8B31137193E771C8@hudson> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:02:33 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6159 Subject: Re: [OM] multi page Olympus advertising X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 15:02:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b19168141881234514069 My only suggestion to Olympus would be that the gentleman on the third page should have had a proper manicure ahead of going before the camera! As an advertising feature I am quite impressed. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walters, Martin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [OM] multi page Olympus advertising > John: > It's here in Ottawa too. Had the same reaction. > > > Martin > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hudson [mailto:OM4T@eastlink.ca] > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:27 AM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: [OM] multi page Olympus advertising > > 4 Dec 2009 > > Today's broadsheet daily paper here in Halifax, NS contains a four full > page colour insert from Olympus featuring the Olympus Pen E-P1 and E-P2 > along with various attachments. > > This is the first time I have seen any such inserts exclusively from > Olympus advertising their cameras. > > Is this insert exclusive to Nova Scotia or have list members elsewhere > caught sight of it as well? > > jh > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4660 (20091204) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4660 (20091204) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4660 (20091204) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 18:14:19 2009 Received: (qmail 4154 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 17:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 17:14:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E9CE1819A for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:14:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96237E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706FD19EFF0 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:14:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BA019EFEF for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:14:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGbjL-0002dl-Fi for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:14:07 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <1638830951.9868291259592319006.JavaMail.root@sz0029a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4B1514C8.80301@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:14:00 -0000 Message-ID: <926DD16CE8924F439D737740A5621846@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcpyhxmmiPlXr46dSTuLCeb9AVCz0ACffLsw In-Reply-To: <4B1514C8.80301@verizon.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091204-0, 04/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] T45 bracket X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 18:14:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b19436b140281076813867 And I grabbed a PBG grip, so thanks from me too. Piers -----Original Message----- From: John Hermanson [mailto:omtech1@verizon.net] Sent: 01 December 2009 13:06 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] T45 bracket Thank you mister. Grabbed it yesterday. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Don Holbrook wrote: > 350273954349.....................I remember somebody was looking for one. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 18:19:51 2009 Received: (qmail 21879 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 17:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 17:19:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2F5E181BA for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91174E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:19:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670F519F02B for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:19:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDB719F035 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:19:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312B031405F for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B04314046 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:49:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:19:48 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091204-0, 12/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 18:19:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1944b756549730998309 Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad A dark day in US history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 19:20:27 2009 Received: (qmail 11137 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 18:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 18:20:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5350E1824C for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:20:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78577E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E2334AC026 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:20:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF00534AC025 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:20:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com (mail-ew0-f214.google.com [209.85.219.214]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:20:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so881025ewy.29 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.103.144 with SMTP id k16mr3483699ebo.66.1259950814713; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm2022039ewy.3.2009.12.04.10.20.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:20:12 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <8D9348F4-DACF-4425-A021-42D6BF7A6BA0@people.net.au> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:20:11 +0000 Message-Id: References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> <8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za> <5745ACF2-3202-4422-9718-2E63601C29FA@people.net.au> <8D9348F4-DACF-4425-A021-42D6BF7A6BA0@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 19:20:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1952eb90551234514069 No, it's not Hobbesian, although I accept your point about the tendency to behave as badly as it may. No group of people acts entirely rationally, nor does any group of people act amorally for very long as there will always be a check on such behaviour. So the continuum is between the worst (in my judgement) and the best. All groups of people are individual and the variation will probably tend to be infinite. Chris On 4 Dec 2009, at 09:26, Andrew Fildes wrote: > That's my point - it only behaves in an ethical fashion if and while > it is in its best interests to do so. > If it is better to behave 'badly' at any point, in pursuit of profit, > then it will do so. Sacking the entire, loyal, hardworking factory > workforce and moving offshore is a perfect example. > Well run? - depends on how you define that idea. > It is not a continuum between good and bad - it is a fundamental > principle of self-interest which underlies all. > Very Hobbesian. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 19:23:47 2009 Received: (qmail 1905 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 18:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 18:23:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFF2E18197 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5331DE24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4571719F21D for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:21:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1D119F21B for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:21:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.146]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so598761eyb.8 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:21:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.2.82 with SMTP id 18mr3476671ebi.58.1259950912483; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:21:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm2019278ewy.4.2009.12.04.10.21.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:21:51 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <173619C2-CEDB-42F2-9503-BA4CA5B88901@roadrunner.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:21:48 +0000 Message-Id: References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> <8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za> <5745ACF2-3202-4422-9718-2E63601C29FA@people.net.au> <173619C2-CEDB-42F2-9503-BA4CA5B88901@roadrunner.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 19:23:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1953b3195481234514069 Yes, there will be organisations and companies who just get on with their business without their management feeling the need to exercise their testosterone levels. Chris On 4 Dec 2009, at 12:04, Bob Whitmire wrote: > Oh, I suppose that isn't really fair. We always hear exhaustively > about the crap, but rarely about the good folks who run good companies > and treat their people right. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 19:24:48 2009 Received: (qmail 769 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 18:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 18:24:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B429E1824C for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA86FE24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:24:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA67019F239 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:24:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FCA19F234 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com (mail-ew0-f214.google.com [209.85.219.214]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so885668ewy.29 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:24:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.51.3 with SMTP id b3mr3585285ebg.31.1259951063840; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:24:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm2019055ewy.15.2009.12.04.10.24.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:24:20 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:24:17 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <2BA67516-52B9-42CA-AA96-1C2C3668D311@threeshoes.net> <4B17C211.1080803@verizon.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 19:24:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1953f0165989730998309 Thanks, very much, Bob. She is indeed. Unfortunately she lives 4 hours' drive from us, so we have to communicated with the little person by webcam/iChat ... Chris On 4 Dec 2009, at 11:55, Bob Whitmire wrote: > She's beautiful, Chris. What a joy she must be to have around. > > --Bob Whitmire > www.bwp33.com > >> >> Chris Barker wrote: >>> And here are a few shots of our granddaughter, 5 months old and >>> playing on our bed in the morning, the weekend before last: >>> >>> http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100093 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 19:24:54 2009 Received: (qmail 4509 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 18:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 18:24:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF32E1824E for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90E5E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:24:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEB134AC005 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:24:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F7434AC007 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:24:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:24:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.52]) by mta04.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU5009B34GVHL51@mta04.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:24:31 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8PAELjGEsY4Mhn/2dsb2JhbACBSIhezQwKhCkEhWk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,343,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="631321793" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:28:13 -0400 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:24:19 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6161 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 19:24:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1953f6314211234514069 Here's something to lighten you up .....the upcoming England v USA soccer match in the RSA ... ! Both sides will be cheering for Becks ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Lazzari" To: "1" Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave > Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad > A dark day in US history. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad > > Mike > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4661 (20091204) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4661 (20091204) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 19:46:39 2009 Received: (qmail 1151 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 18:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 18:46:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A6AE181B9 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4834E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:46:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79A734AC026 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:46:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B772434AC005 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:46:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:46:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so2200357bwz.30 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:46:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.17 with SMTP id t17mr3658163bkb.142.1259952382896; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:46:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:46:22 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912041046y661c61c0tcfb70cdf17334b9f@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 19:46:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b19590f83981220213263 Who?!?!? ;^) Charlie (whose "football" has points at both ends) On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:24 PM, John Hudson wrote: > Here's something to lighten you up .....the upcoming England v USA soccer > match in the RSA ... ! > > Both sides will be cheering for Becks ! > > jh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Lazzari" > To: "1" > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave > > > > Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad > > A dark day in US history. > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad > > > > Mike > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > > signature database 4661 (20091204) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 4661 (20091204) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 20:45:42 2009 Received: (qmail 18522 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 19:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 19:45:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CFEE181B2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67224E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:45:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F6A19F55A for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:45:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC1019F4F8 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:45:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr (smtp23.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.20]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:45:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2306.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CCD0C7000093; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:45:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (86.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2306.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A39667000092; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:45:32 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091204194532670.A39667000092@msfrf2306.sfr.fr Message-Id: <7D966733-EAED-4AE4-BD64-5BD00C9D6226@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: leicareflex@freelists.org, Leica Users Group , Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:45:32 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [OM] IMG: Agels - 15 - Blowing his horn X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 20:45:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1966e658321006886880 Thanks all for your reactions to Angel #14. Angel #15 is now calling : C&C welcome as usual. Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 20:46:28 2009 Received: (qmail 27885 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 19:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 19:46:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42643E1829E for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389D6E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:46:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1FC34AC026 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:46:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA8C34AC005 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:46:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A8B31405F for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC66314046 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:15:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B196712.8000804@interisland.net> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:46:26 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091204-0, 12/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: [OM] ICC test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 20:46:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b196714281459752976205 Help! I lost the link to where you can buy the ICC test target. Thanks, Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 21:12:23 2009 Received: (qmail 17771 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 20:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 20:12:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B7BE18065 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:12:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3711E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE83034AC027 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:12:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27CC34AC007 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:12:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8675 invoked by uid 502); 4 Dec 2009 20:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.192.250) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2009 20:12:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4B196D19.7090802@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:12:09 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B196712.8000804@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: <4B196712.8000804@interisland.net> Subject: Re: [OM] ICC test X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 21:12:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b196d27167909730998309 Mike Lazzari wrote: > Help! I lost the link to where you can buy the ICC test target. > Here 'tis. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 21:49:47 2009 Received: (qmail 1854 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 20:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 20:49:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73943E181B9 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:49:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03858E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:49:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF80C1CD4B9 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:49:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EAD1CD4B7 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:49:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:49:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.52]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU500DAVB6LD3I1@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:49:33 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjoNAD8FGUsY4Mhn/2dsb2JhbACBSIhezGEKhCkEhWk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,344,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="631427965" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:53:17 -0400 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> <14883a8b0912041046y661c61c0tcfb70cdf17334b9f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:49:22 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6161 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 21:49:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1975eb14501879814018 Who ..........Tatooed English fellow who has kicked bags of wind around for big money for ManU, Real Madrid, AC Milan and other lesser teams. jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave > Who?!?!? ;^) > > Charlie (whose "football" has points at both ends) > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:24 PM, John Hudson wrote: > >> Here's something to lighten you up .....the upcoming England v USA soccer >> match in the RSA ... ! >> >> Both sides will be cheering for Becks ! >> >> jh >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Lazzari" >> To: "1" >> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave >> >> >> > Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad >> > A dark day in US history. >> > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad >> > >> > Mike >> > -- >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > >> > >> > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> > signature database 4661 (20091204) __________ >> > >> > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> > >> > http://www.eset.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >> database 4661 (20091204) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4661 (20091204) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4661 (20091204) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 21:58:47 2009 Received: (qmail 20704 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 20:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 20:58:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8062E18279 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944A3E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8F51CD49E for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:58:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D8D1CD486 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:58:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14116 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 20:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 20:56:11 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B196D19.7090802@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 07:58:21 +1100 References: <4B196712.8000804@interisland.net> <4B196D19.7090802@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] Muscular photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 21:58:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b19780673721076813867 How many pixels equivalent dou you think? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xYWehyfFcM Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 22:05:44 2009 Received: (qmail 17546 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 21:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 21:05:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482BCE18200 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:05:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6619BE24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:05:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EB61CD49D for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:05:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D96B1CD486 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:05:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:05:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15412 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 21:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 21:03:06 -0000 Message-Id: <85C5A1CD-C156-4682-AF79-D92DCF1F1500@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <57FD84FC-D038-4187-9633-84610D08D66E@roadrunner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:05:15 +1100 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net> <24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome> <14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com> <87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za> <1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <012AD176-B43E-4552-8F43-04D80D807BF8@threeshoes.net> <3C8CF061A8204D93AFE36F5261F807D8@hudson> <885F16DD-43A2-4E32-84BC-FBE680445422@threeshoes.net> <72604A6A74194C4BB4832808B3AF6092@hudson> <57FD84FC-D038-4187-9633-84610D08D66E@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 22:05:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1979a8160382517112723 Of course we can hurl around fine distinctions of intelligent, smart, wise, clever, whatever but that's just playing with language. If someone climbed the system of justice to become a judge (perhaps somewhere where they aren't elected!) or attends a top university and then rises through the ranks of the upper echelons of government, then perhaps we can assume reasonabvly that they are the best of the best of the best. And yet they'll still do things that are recognised almost universally as fairly stupid. The reasons offered are both subtle and fascinating - they often centre around the natural arrogance of someone who has always been 'right' and can't even conceive of the possibility of getting it wrong for once. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 04/12/2009, at 11:02 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote: > If so-called "really, really intelligent people" do "really, really > stupid things," is it not correct to question how "smart" they were/ > are to begin with? > > --Bob Whitmire > "Art's just fart without the eff." > www.bwp33.com > > > > > On Dec 3, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> One of the most interesting fields of study around at the moment is >> the attempt to understand why really, really intelligent people do >> really, really stupid things. They are not immune - they just assume >> that they are. >> Andrew Fildes > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 22:09:08 2009 Received: (qmail 11751 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 21:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 21:09:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DADBE18199 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:09:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB15FE24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4CA34AC031 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:09:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F8134AC030 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:08:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:08:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15493 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 21:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 21:06:44 -0000 Message-Id: <675AD80D-7386-4EDD-9866-B327D2F2BB9B@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:08:54 +1100 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> <8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za> <5745ACF2-3202-4422-9718-2E63601C29FA@people.net.au> <8D9348F4-DACF-4425-A021-42D6BF7A6BA0@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 22:09:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b197a74108993900897491 A corporation is not a group of people - legally, it is an individual. S/he operates under the same formal and informal rules. The song remains the same. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/12/2009, at 5:20 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > All groups of people are individual and the variation will probably > tend to be infinite. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 22:09:14 2009 Received: (qmail 20591 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 21:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 21:09:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0710E18244 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678AAE24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:09:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC8B1CD49C for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:09:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D8D1CD49F for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:09:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp05.register.it [81.88.48.55]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:09:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 875 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 21:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.35?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.39.95.81) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2009 21:09:02 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:09:01 +0100 Message-Id: <25B6C711-9340-4788-829A-6CD4E4B5FCBE@frozenlight.eu> To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/12/2009: full moon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 22:09:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b197a79154931258626592 As seen in the harbour of El Campello while cycling after work: http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#731727479_HWQvr-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 22:15:25 2009 Received: (qmail 27521 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 21:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 21:15:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E99E181B9 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E16E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0EA1CD49A for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:15:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4AB1CD486 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:15:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:15:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15821 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 21:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 21:12:49 -0000 Message-Id: <58D39349-4A28-48C9-A66B-01223A84A46F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0912041046y661c61c0tcfb70cdf17334b9f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:14:59 +1100 References: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> <14883a8b0912041046y661c61c0tcfb70cdf17334b9f@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 22:15:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b197bed71011234514069 That's not football - it's a regional novelty code. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/12/2009, at 5:46 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Charlie (whose "football" has points at both ends) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 22:21:45 2009 Received: (qmail 16950 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 21:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 21:21:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C47E181BF for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BE3E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A6919F5A2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:21:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC7419EF0E for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:21:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16061 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 21:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 21:19:12 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <25B6C711-9340-4788-829A-6CD4E4B5FCBE@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:21:22 +1100 References: <25B6C711-9340-4788-829A-6CD4E4B5FCBE@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/12/2009: full moon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 22:21:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b197d69191041413256596 Yup - that's a keeper. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/12/2009, at 8:09 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > As seen in the harbour of El Campello while cycling after work: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#731727479_HWQvr-O-LB > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 22:48:54 2009 Received: (qmail 28920 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 21:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 21:48:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEA0E18214 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D31E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543891CD49B for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:48:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C8E1CD486 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:48:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:48:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d220-238-164-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.164.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB4LmU8i018599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:48:32 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:48:26 +1100 Message-ID: <006d01ca752b$833850f0$89a8f2d0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acp1DxMqV7TGP7nkTU2fgOBLTm0HGAAHFkjA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 22:48:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1983c571791612113968 > > Here's something to lighten you up .....the upcoming England v USA > soccer > match in the RSA ... ! > > Both sides will be cheering for Becks ! > Becks, isn't that a beer ? ...Wayne -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 22:56:23 2009 Received: (qmail 25732 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 21:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 21:56:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DBCE1829F for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD465E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:55:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F44834AC025 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:55:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E5634AC007 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:55:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so56008ewy.28 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.110.137 with SMTP id n9mr3734153ebp.75.1259963746509; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm2115790ewy.5.2009.12.04.13.55.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:55:46 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:55:44 +0000 In-Reply-To: <25B6C711-9340-4788-829A-6CD4E4B5FCBE@frozenlight.eu> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <25B6C711-9340-4788-829A-6CD4E4B5FCBE@frozenlight.eu> Message-Id: <5FD1E8CD-C812-46B3-B77C-113A0D1EA4E5@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/12/2009: full moon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 22:56:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1985873811234514069 I like that, Nathan. The pattern of noise is interesting as I had not noticed that in my camera. I shall have to do some tests. Chris On 4 Dec 2009, at 21:09, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > As seen in the harbour of El Campello while cycling after work: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#731727479_HWQvr-O-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 23:22:52 2009 Received: (qmail 8257 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 22:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 22:22:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C30BE18229 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E42E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:22:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E00534AC029 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:22:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A626F34AC027 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:22:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:22:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27599 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2009 22:22:42 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > How many pixels equivalent dou you think? - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xYWehyfFcM > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 23:28:09 2009 Received: (qmail 676 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 22:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 22:28:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC0FE182A3 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEA4E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCBA34AC027 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:28:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066D934AC005 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:28:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB4MRt8c020122 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:27:55 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.c76.517585e6 (14502) for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:27:49 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:27:49 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Muscular photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 23:28:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b198cf9304911073733319 In a message dated 12/4/2009 2:58:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, afildes@people.net.au writes: How many pixels equivalent dou you think? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xYWehyfFcM Andrew Fildes _afildes@people.net.au_ (mailto:afildes@people.net.au) My OM just spoke to me. It said "He ain't heavy, he's my brother." But what would you expect a talking camera to say. My real question is, "What is that lens doing on the front of this contraption?" <{B^) Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 23:43:03 2009 Received: (qmail 16542 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 22:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 22:43:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A9EE18244 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584C5E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD1F34AC027 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:42:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB26334AC005 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:42:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so3018127fxm.8 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:42:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.33 with SMTP id q33mr368157hba.126.1259966575287; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:42:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:42:55 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 12230a31f210f900 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Muscular photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 23:43:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b199077168551946193717 > > My OM just spoke to me. It said "He ain't heavy, he's my brother." But > what would you expect a talking camera to say. My real question is, "What > is that lens doing on the front of this contraption?" Probably knocking 20 hours off the exposure time. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 23:46:10 2009 Received: (qmail 17355 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 22:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 22:46:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA88E18245 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674C9E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:46:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300DD1CD49B for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:46:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C091F1CD49D for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:46:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:46:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB4MjtYx001488 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:45:55 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.d69.548eeaf8 (14502) for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:45:50 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:45:50 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Muscular photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 23:46:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b199132312819752976205 In a message dated 12/4/2009 4:43:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: Probably knocking 20 hours off the exposure time. AG I don't think time is an issue for this guy. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Fri Dec 4 23:56:15 2009 Received: (qmail 19622 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 22:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 22:56:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D5AE181A3 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90833E24AA2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:56:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7343D34AC007 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:56:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C770434AC005 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:56:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:56:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15980 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2009 22:56:10 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2009 22:56:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4B199389.2060109@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:56:09 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <25B6C711-9340-4788-829A-6CD4E4B5FCBE@frozenlight.eu> In-Reply-To: <25B6C711-9340-4788-829A-6CD4E4B5FCBE@frozenlight.eu> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091204-0, 12/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/12/2009: full moon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Dec 4 23:56:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b19938f32781220213263 I like it but it doesn't look really sharp. Did you need a tripod? Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > As seen in the harbour of El Campello while cycling after work: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#731727479_HWQvr-O-LB > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 00:41:12 2009 Received: (qmail 23399 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 23:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 23:41:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006A5E18146 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089F3E240CA for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:41:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F711CD49D for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:41:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D751CD49C for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:41:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB4Nf5Lo009769 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:41:05 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.bd4.5788c6e1 (34894) for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.3]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA013-d3bf4b199e09263; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:41:01 -0500 Received: from webmail-d071 (webmail-d071.sim.aol.com [205.188.167.105]) by smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC037-d3bf4b199e09263; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:40:57 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:40:57 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.254 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 29644-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by webmail-d071.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.105) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:40:57 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC43525C8AA116-810-F125@webmail-d071.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Muscular photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 00:41:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b199e188792439112457 Yikes, gives new meaning to Walt's oft quote of Ed Weston: "Anything more than 500 yards from the car just isn't photogenic." Make that 500 mm. Wonder what film is used?--love the capped sewer tube to develop it in. Mike In a message dated 12/4/2009 2:58:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: How many pixels equivalent dou you think? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xYWehyfFcM Andrew Fildes -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 00:49:54 2009 Received: (qmail 3748 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2009 23:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 23:49:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C625E18197 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:49:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01282E240CA for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45F934AC028 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:49:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5940934AC007 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:49:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:49:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13239 invoked by uid 504); 4 Dec 2009 23:49:48 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091204-0, 12/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Muscular photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 00:49:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b19a022123771342116753 I don't think he's using any film. He's projecting directly onto the paper. Chuck Norcutt usher99@aol.com wrote: > Yikes, gives new meaning to Walt's oft quote of Ed Weston: "Anything > more than 500 yards from > the car just isn't photogenic." Make that 500 mm. > > Wonder what film is used?--love the capped sewer tube to develop it in. > Mike > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2009 2:58:53 P.M. 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A camera obscura with film inside! > > Chuck Norcutt > > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> How many pixels equivalent dou you think? - >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xYWehyfFcM >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4661 (20091204) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4661 (20091204) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 01:45:45 2009 Received: (qmail 4138 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 00:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 00:45:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C681E1822B for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3A6E240CA for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:45:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB4C34AC007 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:45:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF26234AC005 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:45:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:45:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB50jZkw021409 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:45:35 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.bc9.5e942f4b (37031) for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.169]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB021-b23b4b19ad2a2a4; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:45:33 -0500 Received: from webmail-d071 (webmail-d071.sim.aol.com [205.188.167.105]) by smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE026-b23b4b19ad2a2a4; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:45:30 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:45:30 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 64.212.90.254 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 29644-STANDARD Received: from 64.212.90.254 by webmail-d071.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.105) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:45:30 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC435B610718AD-810-FE8C@webmail-d071.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: Re: [OM] Muscular photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 01:45:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b19ad39153315683411216 You gotta be correct--explains the direct positive. At that size why bother with any other way. I'll never complain about the Tam 80-200/2.8 being too heavy ever again. Mike I don't think he's using any film. He's projecting directly onto the paper. Chuck Norcutt usher99 [at] aol.com wrote: Yikes, gives new meaning to Walt's oft quote of Ed Weston: "Anything more than 500 yards from the car just isn't photogenic." Make that 500 mm. Wonder what film is used?--love the capped sewer tube to develop it in. Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 02:05:47 2009 Received: (qmail 29761 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 01:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 01:05:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B17FE181B2 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7BFE240CA for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:05:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893061CD49D for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:05:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563CC1CD49B for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:05:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pklein@threshinc.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:05:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.threshinc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E732839C929 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:05:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from 131.167.254.100 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pklein@threshinc.com) by mail.threshinc.com with HTTP; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:05:41 -0800 Message-ID: <6d6c71da41d6d1273c56ea655efe0516.squirrel@mail.threshinc.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:05:41 -0800 From: "Peter Klein" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: [OM] Third party batteries, Tenpa magnifier for glasses wearers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 02:05:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b19b1eb62261950411718 Folks, two questions: I just bought, via the auction site, a viewfinder magnifier quaintly named "TENPA 1.22x eyecup eyepiece magnifier for wear glasses." My E-510 is a great camera, but the viewfinder is just too darn small. What I read online convinced me that as a glasses wearer, the Olympus ME-1 magnifier would probably not work for me (cuts off the corners or sides of image for many glasses wearers). Several people said that the Tenpa worked for them. So now that I've bought it, has anyone else here tried it? :-) Secondly, I note on Amazon.com that there are several third-party replacement batteries for the BLM-1 battery. One is branded "Adorama," another "Hitech," and there are at least two others. Anyone have experience with these? --Peter -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 02:34:19 2009 Received: (qmail 16504 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 01:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 01:34:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4C2E1822D for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BBDE240CA for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:34:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7271CD49C for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:34:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D2519DF22 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:34:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so206396ewy.8 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:34:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.91.12 with SMTP id g12mr1356909wef.33.1259976851377; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:34:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6d6c71da41d6d1273c56ea655efe0516.squirrel@mail.threshinc.com> References: <6d6c71da41d6d1273c56ea655efe0516.squirrel@mail.threshinc.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:34:11 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912041734t649e2a9dj4f6a761be36dcc6d@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Third party batteries, Tenpa magnifier for glasses wearers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 02:34:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b19b89b307471073733319 On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Peter Klein wrote: > Folks, two questions: > > I just bought, via the auction site, a viewfinder magnifier quaintly named > "TENPA 1.22x eyecup eyepiece magnifier for wear glasses." > > My E-510 is a great camera, but the viewfinder is just too darn small. > What I read online convinced me that as a glasses wearer, the Olympus ME-1 > magnifier would probably not work for me (cuts off the corners or sides of > image for many glasses wearers). =A0Several people said that the Tenpa > worked for them. So now that I've bought it, has anyone else here tried > it? :-) Hi Peter, I shall be interested in your experience with the Tenpa. I bought an ME-1 with the 330. It works also with the 410, which I have, but I am just as happy with the naked VF of the 410 as the 330 +ME-1. It is either of such small effect as to be of little value, or I am just a VF dullard. The E-1 viewfinder also seems a little better than the E-3's, which I don't really believe truly is the case. I hope it works well for you. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 04:07:54 2009 Received: (qmail 2340 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 03:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 03:07:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F80EE1819A for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500E8E240CA for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4331CD49B for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:07:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE0A1CD49A for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:07:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6605 invoked by uid 504); 5 Dec 2009 03:07:43 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091204-0, 12/04/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Third party batteries, Tenpa magnifier for glasses wearers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 04:07:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b19ce8a104164877110844 Adorama would be the private label of Adorama camera in NYC. Probably OK. Chuck Norcutt Peter Klein wrote: > Folks, two questions: > > I just bought, via the auction site, a viewfinder magnifier quaintly named > "TENPA 1.22x eyecup eyepiece magnifier for wear glasses." > > My E-510 is a great camera, but the viewfinder is just too darn small. > What I read online convinced me that as a glasses wearer, the Olympus ME-1 > magnifier would probably not work for me (cuts off the corners or sides of > image for many glasses wearers). Several people said that the Tenpa > worked for them. So now that I've bought it, has anyone else here tried > it? :-) > > Secondly, I note on Amazon.com that there are several third-party > replacement batteries for the BLM-1 battery. One is branded "Adorama," > another "Hitech," and there are at least two others. Anyone have > experience with these? > > --Peter > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 06:22:33 2009 Received: (qmail 22370 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 05:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 05:22:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F482E181D8 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EE9E240CA for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8B534AC007 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:22:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B259334AC005 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:22:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:22:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([173.54.180.225]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KU500EOUYX40NN6@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:22:17 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B19EE02.30601@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:22:10 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B196712.8000804@interisland.net> <4B196D19.7090802@gmail.com> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Muscular photography X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 06:22:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b19ee192392439112457 Andrew Fildes wrote: > How many pixels equivalent dou you think? - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xYWehyfFcM > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > Thanks a lot for that Andrew. Truly amazing and moving. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 06:39:18 2009 Received: (qmail 30616 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 05:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 05:39:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E4DE1822E for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D807E240CA for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:39:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AACD34AC026 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:39:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F5334AC025 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:39:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([173.54.180.225]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KU500HBRZO72P5W@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:38:32 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B19F1D1.6010308@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:38:25 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: OMlist Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 06:39:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b19f20621647801554290 220521249997 One of a kind. Wyoming plant perhaps? -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 07:25:41 2009 Received: (qmail 26191 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 06:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 06:25:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB38E18256 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:25:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A6DE240CA for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:25:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336DE34AC007 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:25:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E074B34AC005 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:25:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29286 invoked by uid 502); 5 Dec 2009 06:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.174.20) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 5 Dec 2009 06:25:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4B19FCD8.2030608@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:25:28 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B19F1D1.6010308@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4B19F1D1.6010308@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 07:25:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b19fce5189776789618724 Russ Butler wrote: > 220521249997 > > One of a kind. Wyoming plant perhaps? > OM-30 out of Japan. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 07:52:00 2009 Received: (qmail 19601 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 06:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 06:52:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D67E1824C for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D8BE240CA for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2002F1CD49A for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:51:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484441CD486 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:51:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:51:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.80) for ; 05 Dec 2009 17:51:53 +1100 Message-ID: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:51:50 +1100 (EDT) Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.48.1429) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 07:52:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1a0310266652013633067 220521249997 > One of a kind. Wyoming plant perhaps? I have 2 of these that anyone can have for US$300 each :o) This special is just for list members, and they are identical to the one pictured but be quick as I'm sure they will go quickly, especially at that price :o) Cheers Ian Manners There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 07:53:18 2009 Received: (qmail 10694 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 06:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 06:53:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E5AE181CC for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59378E240CA for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB2234AC025 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:52:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF1D34AC007 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:51:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so332977ewy.28 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.2.84 with SMTP id 20mr11313986ebi.90.1259995918110; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm2249484ewy.5.2009.12.04.22.51.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:51:57 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 06:51:55 +0000 In-Reply-To: <7D966733-EAED-4AE4-BD64-5BD00C9D6226@sfr.fr> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7D966733-EAED-4AE4-BD64-5BD00C9D6226@sfr.fr> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Agels - 15 - Blowing his horn X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 07:53:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1a035e68021950411718 Yes, that's an interesting conjunction of subjects. That's rather a lovely old E-Klasse ... :-) Chris On 4 Dec 2009, at 19:45, philippe.amard wrote: > Thanks all for your reactions to Angel #14. > > Angel #15 is now calling : > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 08:03:29 2009 Received: (qmail 6104 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 07:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 07:03:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6240DE18246 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09305E240CA for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:03:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C654F1CD49A for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:03:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFC51CD486 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:03:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.10]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2203.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C96427000088 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:03:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (86.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2203.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9DA1B7000084 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:03:20 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091205070320645.9DA1B7000084@msfrf2203.sfr.fr Message-Id: <96AA9B4F-35D6-40C4-9840-93C66302D579@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:03:20 +0100 References: <7D966733-EAED-4AE4-BD64-5BD00C9D6226@sfr.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Agels - 15 - Blowing his horn- Chris X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 08:03:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1a05c1230541220213263 Le 5 d=E9c. 09 =E0 07:51, Chris Barker a =E9crit : > > Yes, that's an interesting conjunction of subjects. > > That's rather a lovely old E-Klasse ... :-) > They keep well, all the more so as the Swiss don't use salt on their = roads and corrosion is limited. I've posted more of the guy here : Thanks for viewing Bien cordialement Philippe > Chris > > On 4 Dec 2009, at 19:45, philippe.amard wrote: > >> Thanks all for your reactions to Angel #14. >> >> Angel #15 is now calling : >> >> >> >> > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 08:16:13 2009 Received: (qmail 19391 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 07:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 07:16:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED6FE1819F for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F078E240CA for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F0D1CD49A for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:16:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DBC1CD486 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:16:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp10.register.it [81.88.48.60]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29377 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2009 07:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.33.65.152) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 5 Dec 2009 07:16:03 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <4B199389.2060109@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:16:02 +0100 Message-Id: <310AD672-D97E-4C2C-BF0B-13D0C038F9CA@frozenlight.eu> References: <25B6C711-9340-4788-829A-6CD4E4B5FCBE@frozenlight.eu> <4B199389.2060109@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/12/2009: full moon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 08:16:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1a08bd302501879814018 Given that I had just cycled 11 km in time-trial mode (i.e. trying to go as fast as possible), finishing with a rather steep uphill, I needed a tripod like a hole in the head :-) But it may explain some of the unsharpness, plus the fact that it was dark--f.2.5 at 1/30 sec. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 4, 2009, at 11:56 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I like it but it doesn't look really sharp. Did you need a tripod? > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> As seen in the harbour of El Campello while cycling after work: >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#731727479_HWQvr-O-LB >> >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 10:09:35 2009 Received: (qmail 10924 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 09:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 09:09:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F549E18277 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE012E240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:09:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E91D19DC19 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:09:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B942819DC0F for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:09:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32275 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2009 09:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.166.181) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 09:07:07 -0000 Message-Id: <58087DC3-31CD-4F41-957E-641E84B52138@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <310AD672-D97E-4C2C-BF0B-13D0C038F9CA@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 20:09:22 +1100 References: <25B6C711-9340-4788-829A-6CD4E4B5FCBE@frozenlight.eu> <4B199389.2060109@chucknorcutt.com> <310AD672-D97E-4C2C-BF0B-13D0C038F9CA@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/12/2009: full moon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 10:09:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1a234f216461220213263 Use the bike! Fit a tripod screw on the handlebars - it makes a great mount for video 'dolly shots' as well. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 05/12/2009, at 6:16 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Given that I had just cycled 11 km in time-trial mode (i.e. trying > to go as fast as possible), finishing with a rather steep uphill, I > needed a tripod like a hole in the head :-) But it may explain some > of the unsharpness, plus the fact that it was dark--f.2.5 at 1/30 sec. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 10:16:04 2009 Received: (qmail 19159 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 09:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 09:16:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC8AE1824C for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70747E240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264E834AC007 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:15:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD83A34AC005 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:15:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr (smtp23.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2308.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 429B37000094 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:15:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (86.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2308.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1737B700008A for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:15:56 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091205091556951.1737B700008A@msfrf2308.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <58087DC3-31CD-4F41-957E-641E84B52138@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:15:55 +0100 References: <25B6C711-9340-4788-829A-6CD4E4B5FCBE@frozenlight.eu> <4B199389.2060109@chucknorcutt.com> <310AD672-D97E-4C2C-BF0B-13D0C038F9CA@frozenlight.eu> <58087DC3-31CD-4F41-957E-641E84B52138@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/12/2009: full moon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 10:16:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1a24d4226041076813867 > On 05/12/2009, at 6:16 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> Given that I had just cycled 11 km in time-trial mode (i.e. trying >> to go as fast as possible) If you ride fast enough you can get a special edition self-portrait using speednongraphic cameras too. Expensive I know ... but remember to always smile ... Ph > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 14:58:32 2009 Received: (qmail 13521 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 13:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 13:58:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30F8E18246 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 05:58:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B805E240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 05:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4393634AC007 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 05:58:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD00B34AC005 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 05:58:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 05:58:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091205135821960.DKKT14763@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:58:21 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <96AA9B4F-35D6-40C4-9840-93C66302D579@sfr.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:58:21 -0500 References: <7D966733-EAED-4AE4-BD64-5BD00C9D6226@sfr.fr> <96AA9B4F-35D6-40C4-9840-93C66302D579@sfr.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Agels - 15 - Blowing his horn- Chris X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 14:58:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1a670832833900897491 Well, I went past the E-Klasse, and I must say the Lass and the Owl/ = Hawk/Falcon was fascinating. The snake, a cliche (not your photo, but = woman and snake). On the other hand, woman and raptor refreshes. A new = concept. Well done on the captures, too. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Dec 5, 2009, at 2:03 AM, philippe.amard wrote: > > Le 5 d=E9c. 09 =E0 07:51, Chris Barker a =E9crit : > >> >> Yes, that's an interesting conjunction of subjects. >> >> That's rather a lovely old E-Klasse ... :-) >> > > They keep well, all the more so as the Swiss don't use salt on their > roads and corrosion is limited. > > I've posted more of the guy here : > ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 07:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBF1E240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 07:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF0634AC005 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 07:44:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFAE34AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 07:44:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr (smtp23.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 07:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2306.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1E547700008D for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:44:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (86.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2306.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DF48F7000088 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:44:19 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091205154419914.DF48F7000088@msfrf2306.sfr.fr Message-Id: <7C2A3815-E877-4354-8E0F-B9DC15B98443@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:44:19 +0100 References: <7D966733-EAED-4AE4-BD64-5BD00C9D6226@sfr.fr> <96AA9B4F-35D6-40C4-9840-93C66302D579@sfr.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Agels - 15 - Blowing his horn- Chris X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 16:44:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1a7fe036391946193717 Thanks Bob, I also found they had fascinating eyes ... Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe Le 5 d=E9c. 09 =E0 14:58, Bob Whitmire a =E9crit : > > Well, I went past the E-Klasse, and I must say the Lass and the Owl/ > Hawk/Falcon was fascinating. The snake, a cliche (not your photo, but > woman and snake). On the other hand, woman and raptor refreshes. A new > concept. Well done on the captures, too. > > --Bob Whitmire > "Art's just fart without the eff." > www.bwp33.com > > > > > On Dec 5, 2009, at 2:03 AM, philippe.amard wrote: > >> >> Le 5 d=E9c. 09 =E0 07:51, Chris Barker a =E9crit : >> >>> >>> Yes, that's an interesting conjunction of subjects. >>> >>> That's rather a lovely old E-Klasse ... :-) >>> >> >> They keep well, all the more so as the Swiss don't use salt on their >> roads and corrosion is limited. >> >> I've posted more of the guy here : >> -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 17:59:33 2009 Received: (qmail 3032 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 16:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 16:59:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0465E181BA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CCCE240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB95919EB14 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:59:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10E719EB11 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:59:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:59:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so3443846fxm.8 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:59:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.102.149.9 with SMTP id w9mr1413468mud.77.1260032361355; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:59:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <33DE9A16-3E4A-4BC4-B1EA-B741FCD3385B@ucr.edu> References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <004d01ca73ea$139bce80$3ad36b80$@com.au> <33DE9A16-3E4A-4BC4-B1EA-B741FCD3385B@ucr.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:59:21 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912050859q2e5d9baco7184cbdcb5d711ba@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 17:59:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1a9175199961234514069 This thread makes me remember something I studied during 2003, according to the notes I kept. Somehow I had to start with Condillac, then to Edmund Husserl - but had to stop before Jacques Derrida "Speech and Phenomena, And Other Essays on Husserl's Theory of Signs" . Couldn't find this book translated to Spanish at the time, neither was it too necessary for my goals at the moment. I kept a note in French, on Husserl's Theory of Signs, shall paste it in French (sorry, my source was in French, don't ask me to translate it: I have enough trouble with Spanglish): Husserl E. 1975 Sur la logique des signes (S=E9miotique) (1890) Articles sur la logique, Paris P.U.F. pp. 415-444: "Husserl a suivi et comment=E9 les travaux qui ont constitu=E9 la logique math=E9matique durant la seconde moiti=E9 du XIX si=E8cle. Sa r=E9flexion, en contrepoint de ce d=E9veloppement, s'interroge sur le r=F4le et l'utilit=E9 des signes dans la connaissance des objets d=E9sign=E9s. Il soul=E8ve le probl=E8me des rapports entre la compr=E9hension conceptuelle et la manipulation des signes. Ce probl=E8me ne se pose qu'en consid=E9rant les signes comme de simple subsitutions de l'objet repr=E9sent=E9. Dans le cadre de ce probl=E8me, Husserl est conduit =E0 distinguer des repr=E9sentations s=E9miotiques ad=E9quates et des repr=E9sentations s=E9miotiques impropres ou commodes. Mais c'est oublier que la force op=E9ratoire des signes est de pouvoir =EAtre substitu=E9s entre eux, ind=E9pendamment des objets repr=E9sent=E9s.". Neither could I easily find a reliable translation of the main works of Charles Peirce, the distance between his thoughts and those of Condillac seemed deceivingly close. Besides, Peirce was beyond my goals back then, too. Yes Andrew, I might agree with Derrida. Fernando. 2009/12/3 siddiq@ucr.edu : > makes perfect sense, oddly. > > On Dec 3, 2009, at 1:22 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> 'cos grammar is a language and not proper logic? >> How's that sound - just made it up. :-) >> 'Andrew Fildes.' >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 03/12/2009, at 6:27 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: >> >>> Makes sense to me, why would you have the full-stop inside the >>> quotation >>> marks unless you were quoting the full-stop too ? >> -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 18:18:18 2009 Received: (qmail 6039 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 17:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 17:18:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE3CE1822C for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14288E240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073B434AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:18:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A50434AC007 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:18:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:18:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so671947fga.8 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:18:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.87.40 with SMTP id p40mr110402mul.82.1260033491389; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:18:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5587459A-8CA0-45F6-95C7-F05B3BFB9161@ucr.edu> References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <5587459A-8CA0-45F6-95C7-F05B3BFB9161@ucr.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:18:11 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912050918l2baacbf4h404617c34fc97e9f@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 18:18:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1a95da30081413256596 Oh! - there seems to be a parallel FB list there. :-) Fernando. 2009/12/3 siddiq@ucr.edu : > thx.. (for the rest of you non FB folk, public link to the gallery Chris is probably referring to is below) > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2057461&id=6313229&l=43c1c132c1 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 18:27:07 2009 Received: (qmail 13979 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 17:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 17:27:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D6BE181BA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD828E240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:27:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872F834AC026 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:27:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3072934AC007 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:27:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentrell.ucr.edu (sentrell.ucr.edu [138.23.226.212]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:27:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (pool-98-119-92-33.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [98.119.92.33]) by sentrell.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id KBO25962 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:27:01 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" In-Reply-To: <6f8422750912050918l2baacbf4h404617c34fc97e9f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:27:01 -0800 Message-Id: <1977BF16-2B49-4DB6-A993-DCD4AB1C3C84@ucr.edu> References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <5587459A-8CA0-45F6-95C7-F05B3BFB9161@ucr.edu> <6f8422750912050918l2baacbf4h404617c34fc97e9f@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 18:27:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1a97eb131902517112723 Yes, surprised at the number of old fogies I found on FB! ;) /s On Dec 5, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Oh! - there seems to be a parallel FB list there. > > :-) > > Fernando. > > 2009/12/3 siddiq@ucr.edu : >> thx.. (for the rest of you non FB folk, public link to the gallery Chris is probably referring to is below) >> >> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2057461&id=6313229&l=43c1c132c1 >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 18:55:28 2009 Received: (qmail 24028 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 17:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 17:55:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E492FE18146 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39576E240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226F519ECC7 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:55:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF2B19ECC2 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:55:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (sgomez.baja@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pz0-f197.google.com (mail-pz0-f197.google.com [209.85.222.197]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:55:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by pzk35 with SMTP id 35so3079383pzk.22 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:55:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.7.3 with SMTP id 3mr521584wfg.126.1260035721220; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:55:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1977BF16-2B49-4DB6-A993-DCD4AB1C3C84@ucr.edu> References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <5587459A-8CA0-45F6-95C7-F05B3BFB9161@ucr.edu> <6f8422750912050918l2baacbf4h404617c34fc97e9f@mail.gmail.com> <1977BF16-2B49-4DB6-A993-DCD4AB1C3C84@ucr.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:55:21 -0800 Message-ID: <5bc0258e0912050955q2940c9c3p634e19dc90f13a89@mail.gmail.com> From: Scott Gomez To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 18:55:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1a9e90282701220213263 Hey! I resemble that remark. --- Scott Gomez On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:27 AM, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > Yes, surprised at the number of old fogies I found on FB! ;) > > /s > > On Dec 5, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > > > Oh! - there seems to be a parallel FB list there. > > > > :-) > > > > Fernando. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 19:17:23 2009 Received: (qmail 3727 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 18:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 18:17:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555BFE1822C for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:17:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0A0E240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB45C19ED73 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:17:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBEF19ED5C for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:17:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (paganini19.register.it [81.88.48.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23119 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2009 18:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.33.65.152) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 5 Dec 2009 18:17:13 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <5bc0258e0912050955q2940c9c3p634e19dc90f13a89@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:17:12 +0100 Message-Id: <62F6E4BB-C8D7-4506-8C58-CDA0503DC5AF@frozenlight.eu> References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <5587459A-8CA0-45F6-95C7-F05B3BFB9161@ucr.edu> <6f8422750912050918l2baacbf4h404617c34fc97e9f@mail.gmail.com> <1977BF16-2B49-4DB6-A993-DCD4AB1C3C84@ucr.edu> <5bc0258e0912050955q2940c9c3p634e19dc90f13a89@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 19:17:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1aa3b3243731560218263 It's OK, at 49 I have no problem being called an old fogie. Facebook is great. I use it to keep in touch with my son (at university in England) and with several old classmates in Denmark, ex-colleagues in Holland etc. About a month about I attended a 30-year high school graduation reunion in my hometown in Denmark, and I cannot imagine how we would have organized it without Facebook. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 5, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Scott Gomez wrote: > Hey! I resemble that remark. > > --- > Scott Gomez > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:27 AM, siddiq@ucr.edu wrote: > >> Yes, surprised at the number of old fogies I found on FB! ;) >> >> /s >> >> On Dec 5, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: >> >>> Oh! - there seems to be a parallel FB list there. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> Fernando. >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 19:36:04 2009 Received: (qmail 27730 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 18:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 18:36:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A8CE181BF for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:36:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EF8E240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:35:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0B834AC005 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:35:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AB234AC007 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:35:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pklein@threshinc.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [209.189.223.38]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9C73939C8D7 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:35:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B1AA810.5090403@threshinc.com> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:36:00 -0800 From: Peter Klein User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] IMG: Sexual Harrassment X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 19:36:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1aa814152781220213263 Despite our best efforts, it's still rampant: E-510. 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([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm2512968ewy.7.2009.12.05.10.39.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:39:59 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:39:57 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4B1AA810.5090403@threshinc.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1AA810.5090403@threshinc.com> Message-Id: <0393C52D-E949-426B-8A50-D8B833DE182C@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Sexual Harrassment X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 19:40:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1aa907276339752976205 Ho Ho! :-) Chris On 5 Dec 2009, at 18:36, Peter Klein wrote: > Despite our best efforts, it's still rampant: > > > E-510. The day after Thanksgiving, a rare sunny day. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 21:21:15 2009 Received: (qmail 4538 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 20:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 20:21:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD26E181D6 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D463CE240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF3634AC007 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:21:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA8734AC005 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:21:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so3535512fxm.8 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:21:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.87.27 with SMTP id p27mr1499051mul.125.1260044464213; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:21:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <62F6E4BB-C8D7-4506-8C58-CDA0503DC5AF@frozenlight.eu> References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <5587459A-8CA0-45F6-95C7-F05B3BFB9161@ucr.edu> <6f8422750912050918l2baacbf4h404617c34fc97e9f@mail.gmail.com> <1977BF16-2B49-4DB6-A993-DCD4AB1C3C84@ucr.edu> <5bc0258e0912050955q2940c9c3p634e19dc90f13a89@mail.gmail.com> <62F6E4BB-C8D7-4506-8C58-CDA0503DC5AF@frozenlight.eu> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:21:04 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912051221t433fa125i1ed397c1665f0ed@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 21:21:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ac0bb179087801554290 Well, I'm 49 too, still for the three months to come. But I don't know if I do or do not have any problem with being called a 'fogie'. Google doesn't translate it !! ;-) Fernando. -- still uncertain about FB. I do have an account but don't use it. I bet it's not the same if you're living in a 1.5 million small city. Everyone knows each other ... true ! 2009/12/5 Nathan Wajsman : > It's OK, at 49 I have no problem being called an old fogie. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 22:16:13 2009 Received: (qmail 23057 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 21:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 21:16:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21ADE18236 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64AAAE240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4117D19E626 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:16:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6939619DCEE for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:16:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mail10.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.41]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.57.240] (240.57.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.57.240]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434103DA57F for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:15:59 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:16:03 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B1B8463.31887.576625@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091205-0, 05/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 22:16:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1acd9d239141879814018 Chris Barker wrote: >> And here are a few shots of our granddaughter, 5 months old and >> playing on our bed in the morning, the weekend before last: >> >> http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100093 >> >> E-420 and 25/2.8 at ISO 800, catalogued and output with Aperture. Lovely grand-daughter Chris; you are so lucky ! Don't like the website though - a bit of a PITA Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 22:34:21 2009 Received: (qmail 13452 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 21:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 21:34:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2119BF54008 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8618AE240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EAF34AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:34:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194C234AC005 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:34:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([173.54.180.225]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KU700CVE7WU0EOJ@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:34:06 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1AD1C7.9000904@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:33:59 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <25B6C711-9340-4788-829A-6CD4E4B5FCBE@frozenlight.eu> In-reply-to: <25B6C711-9340-4788-829A-6CD4E4B5FCBE@frozenlight.eu> Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/12/2009: full moon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 22:34:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ad1dd181231612113968 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > As seen in the harbour of El Campello while cycling after work: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#731727479_HWQvr-O-LB > > Nathan > Very nice. I like that shot a lot. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 22:39:52 2009 Received: (qmail 8954 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 21:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 21:39:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04D2F54028 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209EDE240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D183F34AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:39:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E97534AC005 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:39:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.150]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so129310eyh.8 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.102.202 with SMTP id h10mr12184905ebo.85.1260049184610; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm2578407ewy.12.2009.12.05.13.39.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:39:41 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4B1B8463.31887.576625@bj.caverock.net.nz> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1B8463.31887.576625@bj.caverock.net.nz> Message-Id: <896869F6-43AC-4031-BE0E-29A7F71643DB@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Another Thanksgiving Image X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 22:39:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ad328202084877110844 Thank you, Brian; we do feel very fortunate. I gather, though, that she is a little frustrated at her inability to move forward. At the moment her only perambulation is rearward or rolling sideways ... The website is probably difficult for you with your, erm, mature, computer with its old browser. But I am not that happy with the system, which I believe is Flash-based. I am going to update my own website over Christmas, which should be easier to view. Chris On 5 Dec 2009, at 21:16, Brian Swale wrote: > Chris Barker wrote: >>> And here are a few shots of our granddaughter, 5 months old and >>> playing on our bed in the morning, the weekend before last: >>> >>> http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100093 >>> >>> E-420 and 25/2.8 at ISO 800, catalogued and output with Aperture. > > Lovely grand-daughter Chris; you are so lucky ! > > Don't like the website though - a bit of a PITA -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sat Dec 5 23:12:52 2009 Received: (qmail 1255 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 22:12:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 22:12:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02BCF5401F for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D01DE240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35FD34AC026 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:12:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568A334AC005 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:12:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:12:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7081 invoked by uid 504); 5 Dec 2009 22:12:41 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091205-0, 12/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Dec 5 23:12:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1adae4190221220213263 fogey - definition of fogey by the Free Online Dictionary ... an extremely fussy, old-fashioned, or conservative person (esp in the phrase old fogey). Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Well, I'm 49 too, still for the three months to come. > But I don't know if I do or do not have any problem with being called a 'fogie'. > > Google doesn't translate it !! > > ;-) > > Fernando. > > -- still uncertain about FB. > I do have an account but don't use it. I bet it's not the same if > you're living in a 1.5 million small city. > Everyone knows each other ... true ! > > 2009/12/5 Nathan Wajsman : >> It's OK, at 49 I have no problem being called an old fogie. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 00:30:13 2009 Received: (qmail 32059 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 23:30:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 23:30:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F51F5402F for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3C2E240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F3334AC007 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:30:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F5434AC005 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:30:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so3608492fxm.8 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:29:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.220 with SMTP id l28mr505438hbe.117.1260055799044; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:29:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6f8422750912051221t433fa125i1ed397c1665f0ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <5587459A-8CA0-45F6-95C7-F05B3BFB9161@ucr.edu> <6f8422750912050918l2baacbf4h404617c34fc97e9f@mail.gmail.com> <1977BF16-2B49-4DB6-A993-DCD4AB1C3C84@ucr.edu> <5bc0258e0912050955q2940c9c3p634e19dc90f13a89@mail.gmail.com> <62F6E4BB-C8D7-4506-8C58-CDA0503DC5AF@frozenlight.eu> <6f8422750912051221t433fa125i1ed397c1665f0ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:29:59 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e476ab30bb09663d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 00:30:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1aed052001006886880 > > Well, I'm 49 too, still for the three months to come. > But I don't know if I do or do not have any problem with being called a > 'fogie'. > > Google doesn't translate it !! > How about "Geezer"? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 00:53:45 2009 Received: (qmail 6885 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2009 23:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 23:53:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE51F54028 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:53:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E9BE240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:53:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7FE34AC025 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:53:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EB734AC005 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:53:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:53:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so3616242fxm.8 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:53:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.102.149.9 with SMTP id w9mr1513462mud.77.1260057217222; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:53:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1ADAD8.6090305@chucknorcutt.com> References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <5587459A-8CA0-45F6-95C7-F05B3BFB9161@ucr.edu> <6f8422750912050918l2baacbf4h404617c34fc97e9f@mail.gmail.com> <1977BF16-2B49-4DB6-A993-DCD4AB1C3C84@ucr.edu> <5bc0258e0912050955q2940c9c3p634e19dc90f13a89@mail.gmail.com> <62F6E4BB-C8D7-4506-8C58-CDA0503DC5AF@frozenlight.eu> <6f8422750912051221t433fa125i1ed397c1665f0ed@mail.gmail.com> <4B1ADAD8.6090305@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:53:37 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912051553w1caa92b5m5a8c5c30d1726bf7@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 00:53:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1af28989061879814018 thanks Chuck. 'fogey' or 'fogy' get translated to the idiomatic expression "chapado a la antigua" - quite exactly the same as what you found. But noy 'fogie'. In my Oxford dictionary (book): (pl. fogeys or fogies) a person with old fashioned ideas that he or she is unwilling to change: "He sounds like such an old fogey !". I have several versions of this 1942 composition of Kern - Mercer . Few better than the one played by John Coltrane (IMHO !). ;-) Fernando. 2009/12/5 Chuck Norcutt : > fogey - definition of fogey by the Free Online Dictionary ... > an extremely fussy, old-fashioned, or conservative person (esp in the > phrase old fogey). > > Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 01:04:08 2009 Received: (qmail 29243 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 00:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 00:04:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DFFF54027 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58092E240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3436119F64C for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:04:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77CD19F440 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:04:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:04:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so3619636fxm.8 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:04:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.87.35 with SMTP id p35mr1544267mul.75.1260057840221; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:04:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <5587459A-8CA0-45F6-95C7-F05B3BFB9161@ucr.edu> <6f8422750912050918l2baacbf4h404617c34fc97e9f@mail.gmail.com> <1977BF16-2B49-4DB6-A993-DCD4AB1C3C84@ucr.edu> <5bc0258e0912050955q2940c9c3p634e19dc90f13a89@mail.gmail.com> <62F6E4BB-C8D7-4506-8C58-CDA0503DC5AF@frozenlight.eu> <6f8422750912051221t433fa125i1ed397c1665f0ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:04:00 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912051604l3f1cc1e2m2cc107e6703f0c6@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 01:04:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1af4f8190361234514069 Found it at my Oxford too ! - (British English) a man: 'Some geezer called Danny did it', 2- (name) an old man, especially one who is rather strange. Google translates it as: (noun) 1. t=EDo, 2. vejestorio. Fernando. --- I'd rather be a fogey than a geezer ;-) 2009/12/5 Ken Norton : >> > > How about "Geezer"? > > AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 02:24:09 2009 Received: (qmail 22435 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 01:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 01:24:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E120F54023 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5BFE240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8697E34AC007 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:23:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C013034AC005 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:23:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:23:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.36]) by mta05.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU7004PCIJXF4O0@mta05.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:23:57 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqANAH+WGksY4Mhn/2dsb2JhbACBRYhPylkKhCkEhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,348,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="495429809" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:27:55 -0400 Message-id: <17443F13ECE94D89BFDF3AA5A047A1BB@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <5587459A-8CA0-45F6-95C7-F05B3BFB9161@ucr.edu> <6f8422750912050918l2baacbf4h404617c34fc97e9f@mail.gmail.com> <1977BF16-2B49-4DB6-A993-DCD4AB1C3C84@ucr.edu> <5bc0258e0912050955q2940c9c3p634e19dc90f13a89@mail.gmail.com> <62F6E4BB-C8D7-4506-8C58-CDA0503DC5AF@frozenlight.eu> <6f8422750912051221t433fa125i1ed397c1665f0ed@mail.gmail.com> <6f8422750912051604l3f1cc1e2m2cc107e6703f0c6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:23:58 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6165 Subject: Re: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 02:24:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1b07b9212936107113666 The best example I can think of of an English geezer are two parts played b= y = the the actor Wilfred Brambell. Google the name and you'll see that he played Paul McCartney's grandfather = in the movie "A Hard Day's Night" and Albert Steptoe in the long running BB= C = tv sitcom Steptoe& Son from the mid 1960s to the early 1970s ........... a = classic of its time and comparable to M*A*S*H IMHO. Check out the 5th b/w thumbnail on the google search ! . I'm sure that GC Chris Barker will step in with a serious rebuke if I am ou= t = of line ! jh of an ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 Found it at my Oxford too ! - (British English) a man: 'Some geezer called Danny did it', 2- (name) an old man, especially one who is rather strange. Google translates it as: (noun) 1. t=EDo, 2. vejestorio. Fernando. --- I'd rather be a fogey than a geezer ;-) 2009/12/5 Ken Norton : >> > > How about "Geezer"? > > AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature = database 4663 (20091205) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature= database 4663 (20091205) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 02:26:53 2009 Received: (qmail 7814 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 01:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 01:26:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73087F54018 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1268BE240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0763D19F730 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:26:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773A119F721 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:26:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:26:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.36]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU7005E6IOLA3H0@mta03.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:26:45 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqANAH+WGksY4Mhn/2dsb2JhbACBRYhPvRMIjT4KgjkIgWgEhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,348,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="495430938" Received: from blk-224-200-103.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([24.224.200.103]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:30:43 -0400 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <8AE70713-EF0F-469E-ADEE-B972462B1323@threeshoes.net> <5587459A-8CA0-45F6-95C7-F05B3BFB9161@ucr.edu> <6f8422750912050918l2baacbf4h404617c34fc97e9f@mail.gmail.com> <1977BF16-2B49-4DB6-A993-DCD4AB1C3C84@ucr.edu> <5bc0258e0912050955q2940c9c3p634e19dc90f13a89@mail.gmail.com> <62F6E4BB-C8D7-4506-8C58-CDA0503DC5AF@frozenlight.eu> <6f8422750912051221t433fa125i1ed397c1665f0ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:26:46 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6165 Subject: Re: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 02:26:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1b085d271541950411718 Fernando ... and the birthday day in March 2010 is what ? Could be the same day as mine . jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fernando Gonzalez Gentile" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 > Well, I'm 49 too, still for the three months to come. > But I don't know if I do or do not have any problem with being called a > 'fogie'. > > Google doesn't translate it !! > > ;-) > > Fernando. > > -- still uncertain about FB. > I do have an account but don't use it. I bet it's not the same if > you're living in a 1.5 million small city. > Everyone knows each other ... true ! > > 2009/12/5 Nathan Wajsman : >> It's OK, at 49 I have no problem being called an old fogie. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4661 (20091204) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4663 (20091205) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 03:26:36 2009 Received: (qmail 17572 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 02:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 02:26:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E73F54021 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B928EE240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:26:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19D619F7C4 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:26:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A3119F7BF for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:26:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so3661792fxm.8 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:26:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.84.32 with SMTP id m32mr1593846mul.33.1260066387887; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:26:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <001b01ca73a5$c9727500$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> <5587459A-8CA0-45F6-95C7-F05B3BFB9161@ucr.edu> <6f8422750912050918l2baacbf4h404617c34fc97e9f@mail.gmail.com> <1977BF16-2B49-4DB6-A993-DCD4AB1C3C84@ucr.edu> <5bc0258e0912050955q2940c9c3p634e19dc90f13a89@mail.gmail.com> <62F6E4BB-C8D7-4506-8C58-CDA0503DC5AF@frozenlight.eu> <6f8422750912051221t433fa125i1ed397c1665f0ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 00:26:27 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912051826h3eed483fp7f2c317b1413160b@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] facebook horn tooting, was english pedantry, was Windows 7 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 03:26:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1b165c86321744846740 John, you're asking me to answer something I neurotically keep in secret. Few people know my birthday day, other than my mother, my sister, my aunt, my daughter and my ex. Shall tell it here, hoping you'll all forget I did. It's March 5. Fernando. 2009/12/5 John Hudson : > Fernando ... and the birthday day in March 2010 is what ? > > Could be the same day as mine . > > jh > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 04:33:43 2009 Received: (qmail 27770 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 03:33:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 03:33:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDCEF54026 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABE4E240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609923610004 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:33:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1934E3610001 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:33:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB63XZIX008032 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:33:35 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.bfa.52f3050e (43983) for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.169]) by cia-dd04.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD048-b2374b1b260843; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:33:31 -0500 Received: from webmail-m029 (webmail-m029.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.212]) by smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE024-b2374b1b260843; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:33:28 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:33:28 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.34.160.216 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 29644-STANDARD Received: from 24.34.160.216 by webmail-m029.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.212) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:33:28 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC443C02C9E9A4-2C54-21685@webmail-m029.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/12/2009: full moon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 04:33:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1b261755471612113968 Nice shot indeed. I wonder if the Gripper Pod Pro or similar item (flexible Multi-jointed legs coated in grippy rubber) would be convenient enough yet still be useful in such situations. I bet it would grip on the bike adequately. Mike Given that I had just cycled 11 km in time-trial mode (i.e. trying to go as fast as possible), finishing with a rather steep uphill, I needed a tripod like a hole in the head :-) But it may explain some of the unsharpness, plus the fact that it was dark--f.2.5 at 1/30 sec. Cheers, Nathan -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 06:44:27 2009 Received: (qmail 22946 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 05:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 05:44:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8BEF5402E for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A56E240CA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B35F3610003 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:44:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE463610001 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:44:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DhiN1d00A1wfjNsA5hkLsn; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:44:20 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Dhkb1d0022Axmu48jhkbaK; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:44:35 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <8CC443C02C9E9A4-2C54-21685@webmail-m029.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CC443C02C9E9A4-2C54-21685@webmail-m029.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:44:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/12/2009: full moon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 06:44:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1b44bb104675683411216 Something like the Gorilla Pod, perhaps? http://photojojo.com/store/awesomeness/gorillapod-original-and-slr-zoom Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 01/12/2009: full moon > Nice shot indeed. I wonder if the Gripper Pod Pro or similar item > (flexible Multi-jointed legs coated in grippy rubber) would be > convenient enough > yet still be useful in such situations. I bet it would grip on the > bike adequately. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 16:09:28 2009 Received: (qmail 21167 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 15:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 15:09:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAA4F5402D for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F916E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DAE19E29F for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:09:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6F519E29E for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:09:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rickard.nilsson@telia.com whitelisted) Received: from av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.184]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 0F3D837EED; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:09:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D538037EE8 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:09:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.webofnilsson.com (fh20n1-m-rg-a13.ias.bredband.telia.com [195.67.213.20]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD9937E43 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:09:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from asimov.localdomain (heinlein.webofnilsson.com [195.67.213.20]) by mail.webofnilsson.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E1F7060231 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:09:13 +0100 (CET) To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:09:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rickard Nilsson" Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.10 (Linux) Subject: [OM] Zuiko 300/4.5 Tripod Mount X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 16:09:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1bc92892644877110844 Hi, I just scored a nice looking Zuiko 300/4.5 for $185. However, it lacks the tripod mount, so I was just wondering if there are any suitable replacements? Regards, Rickard Nilsson -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 16:18:47 2009 Received: (qmail 2446 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 15:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 15:18:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A23EE18212 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5838CE240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADA219E2E1 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:18:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A241E19E2D2 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:18:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12735 invoked by uid 504); 6 Dec 2009 15:18:41 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2009 15:18:41 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1BCB50.3000701@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:18:40 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091206-0, 12/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 300/4.5 Tripod Mount X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 16:18:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1bcb57218084877110844 John Hermanson used to sell them but it doesn't appear as though he has any now. There are other lenses that use the same tripod mount. If you have one of those you could move it from lens to lens. The 85-250 uses it. I think there is at least one other but I don't remember it. Chuck Norcutt Rickard Nilsson wrote: > Hi, > > I just scored a nice looking Zuiko 300/4.5 for $185. However, > it lacks the tripod mount, so I was just wondering if there > are any suitable replacements? > > Regards, > Rickard Nilsson > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 16:25:08 2009 Received: (qmail 20785 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 15:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 15:25:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C36E1822E for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CC9E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D4719E306 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:25:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF9019E320 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:25:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:25:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15506 invoked by uid 504); 6 Dec 2009 15:25:03 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2009 15:25:03 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1BCCCE.3080201@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:25:02 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1BCB50.3000701@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1BCB50.3000701@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091206-0, 12/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 300/4.5 Tripod Mount X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 16:25:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1bccd4183553900897491 In looking at the lens brochure I think the 400/6.3 must also use the same tripod ring as the 300/4.5 and 85-250/5. Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > John Hermanson used to sell them but it doesn't appear as though he has > any now. There are other lenses that use the same tripod mount. If you > have one of those you could move it from lens to lens. The 85-250 uses > it. I think there is at least one other but I don't remember it. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Rickard Nilsson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I just scored a nice looking Zuiko 300/4.5 for $185. However, >> it lacks the tripod mount, so I was just wondering if there >> are any suitable replacements? >> >> Regards, >> Rickard Nilsson >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 16:48:51 2009 Received: (qmail 1529 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 15:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 15:48:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166A0E1822C for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A14E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FE719E383 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:48:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E48E19E37F for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:48:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fxcm@vanlindert.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [82.169.187.11] (helo=localhost) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1NHJLl-0007kv-Om for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:48:41 +0100 From: Frank van Lindert To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:48:27 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4B1BCB50.3000701@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1BCCCE.3080201@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1BCCCE.3080201@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 300/4.5 Tripod Mount X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 16:48:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1bd263196501357919056 So does the 65-115mm telescopic auto extension tube. Frank van Lindert Utrecht NL On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:25:02 -0500, Chuck Norcutt wrote: >In looking at the lens brochure I think the 400/6.3 must also use the >same tripod ring as the 300/4.5 and 85-250/5. > >Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 17:17:10 2009 Received: (qmail 28414 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 16:17:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 16:17:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56C6F54016 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:17:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32924E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BDD34AC007 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:17:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9094A34AC005 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:17:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.12]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:17:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2213.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 26CD5700009D; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:17:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (86.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2213.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 02BE2700009A; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:17:00 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091206161701113.02BE2700009A@msfrf2213.sfr.fr Message-Id: <5674BB36-F56F-4E16-92AF-1145C9ABEEAF@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: leicareflex@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion , Leica Users Group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:17:00 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [OM] IMG : Red Dot Spotting X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 17:17:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1bd906141761413256596 sort of ... http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/Red+Dot-Large3-1130189.jpg.html Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 18:54:14 2009 Received: (qmail 13670 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 17:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 17:54:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177ABE18236 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C68E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A45B19E6C0 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:54:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C5319E69E for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:54:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (paganini20.register.it [81.88.48.53]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6950 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2009 17:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.33.65.152) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2009 17:54:02 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:54:00 +0100 Message-Id: To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 04/12/2009: through my office window X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 18:54:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1befc536993900897491 I have often showed you the view from our terrace at the office. Here is what I see when I sit at my desk: http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#733238019_X5CGo-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 20:05:39 2009 Received: (qmail 30357 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 19:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 19:05:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EF7E18229 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60E8E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACDA934AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:05:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819DA34AC005 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:05:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([173.54.180.225]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KU800ET2VP4JXN0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:05:29 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:05:25 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: OMlist Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 20:05:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c0083255271946193717 Yesterday we had our first snow storm of the season so the Fall "shooting" season is over here in NJ. On to Winter [:-) or :-(] it all depends on how it plays out. These are some selected shots from the Fall: http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/ja-topic.html (all shot w/ OM-4 new circuit or OM-4T on fuji 400 print film using various z & 3rd party lenses. Scanned raw with V700 & edited with ImageMagick, Photoline & NeatImage.) Comments & critiques are always welcome. Also please let me know if the images are too light/dark/contrasty etc. as I've been fiddling with monitors and could have easily screwed things up. TIA. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 22:08:39 2009 Received: (qmail 17991 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 21:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 21:08:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501BAE1829D for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B6EE240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:08:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5151C34AC007 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:08:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C606F34AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:08:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22493 invoked by uid 504); 6 Dec 2009 21:08:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 6 Dec 2009 21:08:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1C1D4D.5010904@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:08:29 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091206-0, 12/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 22:08:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c1d5771755034211378 They all look good to me. The color is just fine on my monitor. Obviously, film still works. :-) I was especially attracted to the bunch because most of them could have been taken around Horn Pond near my previous house in Woburn, Massachusetts about 10 miles NW of Boston. I was especially attracted to #24 for it's dual surface and reflected images. Chuck Norcutt Russ Butler wrote: > Yesterday we had our first snow storm of the season so the Fall > "shooting" season is over here in NJ. On to Winter [:-) or :-(] it all > depends on how it plays out. > > These are some selected shots from the Fall: > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/ja-topic.html > > (all shot w/ OM-4 new circuit or OM-4T on fuji 400 print film using > various z & 3rd party lenses. Scanned raw with V700 & edited with > ImageMagick, Photoline & NeatImage.) > > Comments & critiques are always welcome. > > Also please let me know if the images are too light/dark/contrasty etc. > as I've been fiddling with monitors and could have easily screwed things up. > > TIA. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 22:16:07 2009 Received: (qmail 26194 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 21:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 21:16:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD3BE181CC for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8D9E240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC79519EB5D for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:16:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66FF19E96E for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:16:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so733761ewy.28 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.70.199 with SMTP id e7mr6344274ebj.24.1260134160202; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm3078540ewy.9.2009.12.06.13.15.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:15:59 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:15:57 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 04/12/2009: through my office window X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 22:16:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c1f17231501220213263 Not bad, as you say :-) But I am sorry to see that you face the same daily torture as I do: Outlook and other M$ ghastliness ... ;-) Chris On 6 Dec 2009, at 17:54, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I have often showed you the view from our terrace at the office. Here is what I see when I sit at my desk: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#733238019_X5CGo-O-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 22:45:08 2009 Received: (qmail 13111 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 21:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 21:45:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0562E181BA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:45:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476F9E240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDEF34AC007 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:45:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6847634AC005 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:45:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.189]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.236]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB6Lj0MP030750 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:45:01 +1100 Message-Id: <200912062145.nB6Lj0MP030750@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail02.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:45:00 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:45:00 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 22:45:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c25e4115016107113666 > Russ Butler wrote: > > These are some selected shots from the Fall: > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/ja-topic.html > > (all shot w/ OM-4 new circuit or OM-4T on fuji 400 print film using > various z & 3rd party lenses. Scanned raw with V700 & edited with > ImageMagick, Photoline & NeatImage.) > > Comments & critiques are always welcome. > Wonderful collection of images Russ, I'll have a more detailed look at home. > Also please let me know if the images are too light/dark/contrasty etc. > as I've been fiddling with monitors and could have easily screwed things > up. > They look right on my screen at work. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 22:55:37 2009 Received: (qmail 32610 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 21:55:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 21:55:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA868F5402D for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7885E240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B879734AC005 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:55:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1923034AC027 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:55:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr (smtp23.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2319.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9DBA5700008B for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:55:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (86.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2319.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7212E700008A for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:55:29 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091206215529467.7212E700008A@msfrf2319.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <200912062145.nB6Lj0MP030750@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:55:29 +0100 References: <200912062145.nB6Lj0MP030750@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 22:55:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c285954031073733319 Very nice atmosphere and rendition (i-Mac) Some bokehs are excellent, and you played in a lovely way with the = light on the leaves of the canopies too. Thanks for sharing the colours after such a dull day. Philippe Le 6 d=E9c. 09 =E0 22:45, Wayne Harridge a =E9crit : > > > > > >> Russ Butler wrote: >> >> These are some selected shots from the Fall: >> >> http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/ja-topic.html >> >> (all shot w/ OM-4 new circuit or OM-4T on fuji 400 print film using >> various z & 3rd party lenses. Scanned raw with V700 & edited with >> ImageMagick, Photoline & NeatImage.) >> >> Comments & critiques are always welcome. >> > > Wonderful collection of images Russ, I'll have a more detailed look = > at home. > >> Also please let me know if the images are too light/dark/contrasty = >> etc. >> as I've been fiddling with monitors and could have easily screwed = >> things >> up. >> > > They look right on my screen at work. > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 23:29:24 2009 Received: (qmail 21692 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 22:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 22:29:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B606AF54012 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:29:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CD1E240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AD719ED20 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:29:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447FD19ED1E for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:29:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4111127fxm.8 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:29:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.185.195 with SMTP id d3mr530611hbh.184.1260138556852; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:29:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:29:16 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dd28a883f5aec312 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 23:29:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c3044153807801554290 Russ, these are simply wonderful. Not shabby at all for ancient technology. :) My favorite of the bunch is this one: http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/slides/9K04-20.html AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Sun Dec 6 23:37:21 2009 Received: (qmail 29966 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2009 22:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 22:37:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DEEE181D6 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF63AE240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF82119ED48 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:37:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189D719ED3F for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:37:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4114585fxm.8 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:37:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.185.76 with SMTP id b12mr557330hbh.53.1260139033623; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:37:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0912041734t649e2a9dj4f6a761be36dcc6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6d6c71da41d6d1273c56ea655efe0516.squirrel@mail.threshinc.com> <9e908c1f0912041734t649e2a9dj4f6a761be36dcc6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:37:13 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: df3fcefddb9a466f Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Third party batteries, Tenpa magnifier for glasses wearers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 6 23:37:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c3221282101950411718 Dr Dub wrote: > It is either of such small effect as to be of little value, or I am just a > VF dullard. The E-1 viewfinder also seems a little better than the > E-3's, which I don't really believe truly is the case. > Joel, you ain't no dullard, that's for sure. I don't know what it is about the E-1's viewfinder in comparison to the E-3's. I definitely hesitate to say that the E-1's is better, but just maybe it's a little more bright and contrasty and has more "snap" to it. Even so, I think I'm stretching straws here. The E-3's is definitely less fatiguing to me and I appreciate the bigger view. All focus screens now are essentially lenses so we are seeing an image projected through the screens, not on the screens. Might as well just go electronic. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 01:57:11 2009 Received: (qmail 29990 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 00:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 00:57:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73198E181B1 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:57:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFFBE240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EE734AC007 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:57:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E8234AC005 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:57:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22447 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2009 00:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.180.178) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2009 00:57:03 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1C52D7.7050808@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:56:55 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5674BB36-F56F-4E16-92AF-1145C9ABEEAF@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: <5674BB36-F56F-4E16-92AF-1145C9ABEEAF@sfr.fr> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG : Red Dot Spotting X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 01:57:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c52e7228353900897491 philippe.amard wrote: > sort of ... > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/Red+Dot-Large3-1130189.jpg.html > Kinda creepy. Looked at and enjoyed some others. Just for fun. A. Colorful Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 02:03:59 2009 Received: (qmail 728 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 01:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 01:03:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2E2E181A3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF542E240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:03:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31FC19F03A for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:03:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A9619F05E for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:03:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:03:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6571 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2009 01:03:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091206-1, 12/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 02:03:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c547f75216789618724 Uh,oh. Ken and I agreed. :-) Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: > Russ, these are simply wonderful. Not shabby at all for ancient technology. > :) > > My favorite of the bunch is this one: > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/slides/9K04-20.html > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 02:05:24 2009 Received: (qmail 16881 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 01:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 01:05:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A40F54025 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AA5E240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA0819F066 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:05:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5413119F05E for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:05:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:05:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB714tLp005049 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:05:06 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:04:42 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 02:05:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c54d4109401234514069 Same here, that's my favorite too. The color and tone of the whole set look good on my monitor. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > Russ, these are simply wonderful. Not shabby at all for ancient > technology. > :) > > My favorite of the bunch is this one: > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/slides/9K04-20.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 02:07:02 2009 Received: (qmail 19651 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 01:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 01:07:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4DCE18236 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:07:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9583E240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:06:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A974019F067 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:06:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F1319F066 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:06:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7705 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2009 01:06:20 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091206-1, 12/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG : Red Dot Spotting X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 02:07:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c5536145736107113666 screen mode multiply? Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > > Just for fun. > > > A. Colorful Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 02:09:52 2009 Received: (qmail 2266 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 01:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 01:09:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05BEE181CD for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78F4E240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:09:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEE034AC007 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:09:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5B734AC005 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:09:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:09:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB719blS007230 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:09:37 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <3ADE700AA8E84D908093D0B70D5FB0F1@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <6d6c71da41d6d1273c56ea655efe0516.squirrel@mail.threshinc.com><9e908c1f0912041734t649e2a9dj4f6a761be36dcc6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:09:27 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Third party batteries, Tenpa magnifier for glasses wearers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 02:09:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c55e0218361076813867 To me the E-3 viewfinder is darker but definitely easier to focus due to the larger size. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" > Dr Dub wrote: > >> It is either of such small effect as to be of little value, or I am just >> a >> VF dullard. The E-1 viewfinder also seems a little better than the >> E-3's, which I don't really believe truly is the case. >> > > > Joel, you ain't no dullard, that's for sure. > > I don't know what it is about the E-1's viewfinder in comparison to the > E-3's. I definitely hesitate to say that the E-1's is better, but just > maybe > it's a little more bright and contrasty and has more "snap" to it. Even > so, > I think I'm stretching straws here. The E-3's is definitely less fatiguing > to me and I appreciate the bigger view. > > All focus screens now are essentially lenses so we are seeing an image > projected through the screens, not on the screens. Might as well just go > electronic. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 02:11:21 2009 Received: (qmail 16966 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 01:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 01:11:21 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5724CE1819A for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8207BE240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:11:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC5534AC007 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:11:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E700334AC005 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:11:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10589 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2009 01:11:02 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091206-1, 12/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 02:11:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c5639288281234514069 That makes three of us. Looks like you've got a winner, Russ. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > Same here, that's my favorite too. The color and tone of the whole set look > good on my monitor. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > >> Russ, these are simply wonderful. Not shabby at all for ancient >> technology. >> :) >> >> My favorite of the bunch is this one: >> >> http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/slides/9K04-20.html > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 02:55:23 2009 Received: (qmail 32352 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 01:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 01:55:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD219E1822D for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:55:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41770E240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E6834AC027 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:55:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC9F34AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:55:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:55:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.10]) by mta04.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU900I6EEN1TX40@mta04.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:54:37 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqURAI/uG0tMC2pf/2dsb2JhbACBRYhPy0AKhCkE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,351,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="97587914" Received: from blk-11-106-95.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.95]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:58:36 -0400 Message-id: From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> <4B1C5477.4060406@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:54:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6169 Subject: [OM] missing E3 body part X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 02:55:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c608b245411234514069 The E3 body has a small three pin plug at the top of the body just underneath the left side carrying strap lug . The plug is designed to be protected with a screw-in-cap. The screw-in-cap on my E3 has gone AWOL. Can anyone suggest a source from which replacement screw-in-caps can be obtained? jh __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4665 (20091206) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 03:13:09 2009 Received: (qmail 17224 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 02:13:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 02:13:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9EBF54016 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:13:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8A3E240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17A81CD49D for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:13:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5A11CD49A for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:13:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mark.marrlyon@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f191.google.com (mail-yw0-f191.google.com [209.85.211.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh29 with SMTP id 29so4271027ywh.32 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:13:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.246.25 with SMTP id t25mr5169409anh.33.1260151982690; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:13:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> <4B1C5477.4060406@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:13:02 -0700 Message-ID: From: Mark Marr-Lyon To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 03:13:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c64b5294821879814018 You can get them from Olympus directly, and I apologize for the long link. Mark On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:54 PM, John Hudson wrote: > The E3 body has a small three pin plug at the top of the body just > underneath the left side carrying strap lug . The plug is designed to be > protected with a screw-in-cap. > > The screw-in-cap on my E3 has gone AWOL. > > Can anyone suggest a source from which replacement screw-in-caps can be > obtained? > > jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 03:16:07 2009 Received: (qmail 25694 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 02:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 02:16:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C22E1822E for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C483BE240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B459219D90E for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:16:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C341819D919 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:16:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:16:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.52]) by mta04.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU900IPXFMPST60@mta04.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:16:01 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqURAGv0G0tMC2pf/2dsb2JhbACBRYhPy1IKhCkEgWeEBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,351,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="632680265" Received: from blk-11-106-95.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.95]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:20:00 -0400 Message-id: <52D2ABF450904CB089F247B9FA972797@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> <4B1C5477.4060406@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:16:02 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6169 Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 03:16:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c6567176905368819438 Mark ............... thank you for the URL jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Marr-Lyon" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part > You can get them from Olympus directly, and I apologize for the long link. > > > > Mark > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:54 PM, John Hudson wrote: >> The E3 body has a small three pin plug at the top of the body just >> underneath the left side carrying strap lug . The plug is designed to be >> protected with a screw-in-cap. >> >> The screw-in-cap on my E3 has gone AWOL. >> >> Can anyone suggest a source from which replacement screw-in-caps can be >> obtained? >> >> jh > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4665 (20091206) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4665 (20091206) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 03:36:41 2009 Received: (qmail 23896 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 02:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 02:36:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB616E181BA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:36:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE94E240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:36:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7480D1CD489 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:36:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946DF1CD481 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:36:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:36:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17838 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 02:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 02:33:56 -0000 Message-Id: <51879469-76D8-4454-8141-60314D43DED9@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:36:32 +1100 References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> <4B1C5477.4060406@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [OM] Lens FS - 35mm Macro X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 03:36:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c6a39131555683411216 Just about to put a 35mm f3.5 Macro on ebay or wherever - anyone need? In box, as new, prolly never used - AU$250 + post ($12 Aus, $25 US) Got the 50mm - don't need it. Friend got it with a used Panny G1 outfit. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 03:52:11 2009 Received: (qmail 29309 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 02:52:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 02:52:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DD0F5402C for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:52:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE8AE240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2808134AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:52:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF79534AC007 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:52:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:52:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([173.54.180.225]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KU900EL5HANOBLJ@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:52:00 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1C6DD0.7050304@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:52:00 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> <4B1C1D4D.5010904@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4B1C1D4D.5010904@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 03:52:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c6ddb267582517112723 Chuck, Thanks for the compliments and the feedback on the appearance of the images. It's good to know that they look ok on others' monitors. I often wonder given all the knobs that can be turned with monitor calibration, viewing angle (cheap LCD), ambient lighting, editing software ... -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) Chuck Norcutt wrote: > They all look good to me. The color is just fine on my monitor. > Obviously, film still works. :-) I was especially attracted to the > bunch because most of them could have been taken around Horn Pond near > my previous house in Woburn, Massachusetts about 10 miles NW of Boston. > I was especially attracted to #24 for it's dual surface and reflected > images. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Russ Butler wrote: >> Yesterday we had our first snow storm of the season so the Fall >> "shooting" season is over here in NJ. On to Winter [:-) or :-(] it all >> depends on how it plays out. >> >> These are some selected shots from the Fall: >> >> http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/ja-topic.html >> >> (all shot w/ OM-4 new circuit or OM-4T on fuji 400 print film using >> various z & 3rd party lenses. Scanned raw with V700 & edited with >> ImageMagick, Photoline & NeatImage.) >> >> Comments & critiques are always welcome. >> >> Also please let me know if the images are too light/dark/contrasty etc. >> as I've been fiddling with monitors and could have easily screwed things up. >> >> TIA. >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 03:55:41 2009 Received: (qmail 20028 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 02:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 02:55:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7462BE1824D for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D2FE240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA9434AC005 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:55:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3BC3610001 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:55:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([173.54.180.225]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KU90073EHGJBWPM@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:55:32 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1C6EA4.5060106@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:55:32 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200912062145.nB6Lj0MP030750@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-reply-to: <200912062145.nB6Lj0MP030750@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 03:55:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c6ead19621879814018 Wayne, Thanks for the very kind words and the feedback on their appearance. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > >> Russ Butler wrote: >> >> These are some selected shots from the Fall: >> >> http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/ja-topic.html >> >> (all shot w/ OM-4 new circuit or OM-4T on fuji 400 print film using >> various z & 3rd party lenses. Scanned raw with V700 & edited with >> ImageMagick, Photoline & NeatImage.) >> >> Comments & critiques are always welcome. >> > > Wonderful collection of images Russ, I'll have a more detailed look at home. > >> Also please let me know if the images are too light/dark/contrasty etc. >> as I've been fiddling with monitors and could have easily screwed things >> up. >> > > They look right on my screen at work. > > ...Wayne > > Wayne Harridge > > http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 03:58:43 2009 Received: (qmail 23467 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 02:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 02:58:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D6FF54023 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:58:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7525CE240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9041CD49A for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:58:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2728D1CD489 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:58:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([173.54.180.225]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KU9009MGHLF9ACI@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:58:28 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1C6F54.7020107@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:58:28 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <200912062145.nB6Lj0MP030750@mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 03:58:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c6f63152741879814018 Thanks Philippe. I cheated on some of them by using an 85/2 :-) philippe.amard wrote: > Very nice atmosphere and rendition (i-Mac) > Some bokehs are excellent, and you played in a lovely way with the > light on the leaves of the canopies too. > Thanks for sharing the colours after such a dull day. > > Philippe > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 04:00:11 2009 Received: (qmail 25209 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 03:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 03:00:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E3CE181DE for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DD9E240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF4E1CD49A for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:00:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3D41CD481 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:00:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4218635fxm.8 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:00:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.204 with SMTP id l12mr604347hbe.36.1260154804403; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:00:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1C5477.4060406@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> <4B1C5477.4060406@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:00:04 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a7fefefe7d4d7fc7 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 04:00:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c6fbb47151612113968 Chuck wrote: > Uh,oh. Ken and I agreed. :-) > I'm getting a complex. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 04:06:58 2009 Received: (qmail 25626 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 03:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 03:06:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEFEE1829D for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A75E240CA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:03:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E28E1CD49D for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:03:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544F91CD49C for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:03:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:03:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4219968fxm.8 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:03:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.48.26 with SMTP id a26mr1895673muk.83.1260155027150; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:03:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1C52D7.7050808@gmail.com> References: <5674BB36-F56F-4E16-92AF-1145C9ABEEAF@sfr.fr> <4B1C52D7.7050808@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 01:03:47 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912061903j34df6f4g6a1b9829bb6c9010@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG : Red Dot Spotting X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 04:06:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c7152150331342116753 whoa :-) no, I won't ask you how you did it. just saved the img., and will try by myself. you never learn until you try. Fernando. 2009/12/6 Moose : > Just for fun. > > > A. Colorful Moose > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 04:07:03 2009 Received: (qmail 25876 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 03:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 03:07:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCA7E18199 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:07:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAA1E24AA3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D06834AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:04:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D2634AC02A for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:04:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:04:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4220274fxm.8 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:04:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.80 with SMTP id s16mr582711hbs.111.1260155071496; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:04:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> <4B1C5477.4060406@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:04:31 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cdc084a6ee94d74d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 04:07:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c7157139407801554290 > > Can anyone suggest a source from which replacement screw-in-caps can be > obtained? You might want to double-check the crevasses of your camera bags. Every once in a while I rip all the dividers out of my bags and rearrange everything. While doing so, I always seem to locate those missing caps and other miscellaneous items. I found my missing drivers license one time doing that. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 04:11:10 2009 Received: (qmail 14321 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 03:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 03:11:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B62E18247 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057D8E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23581CD481 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:11:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5544B1CD49A for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:11:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:11:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4222726fxm.8 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:11:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.185.195 with SMTP id d3mr549889hbh.184.1260155463123; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:11:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5674BB36-F56F-4E16-92AF-1145C9ABEEAF@sfr.fr> References: <5674BB36-F56F-4E16-92AF-1145C9ABEEAF@sfr.fr> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:11:02 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3686528a4e67d079 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG : Red Dot Spotting X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 04:11:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c724e75791073733319 > > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/Red+Dot-Large3-1130189.jpg.html > > HAL 9000 AG (Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do. I'm half crazy...) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 04:13:00 2009 Received: (qmail 19173 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 03:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 03:12:59 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0486F54015 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21DCFE240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DD834AC026 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:12:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D7E34AC007 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:12:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pklein@threshinc.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:12:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [209.189.223.38]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0A5E439C8CC for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:12:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B1C72B9.9090307@threshinc.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:12:57 -0800 From: Peter Klein User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] IMG: Guarding her hoard X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 04:13:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c72bc54462517112723 What is it with Tilly and arranging things in triangles? Wiliam Wagenaar: Special greetings to you and your two Cairn Terriers. Most people in the U.S. don't know what a Border Terrier is, and I have to explain. They are more common in the UK and Europe. Cairns, Americans know well, because Toto in "The Wizard of Oz" was a Cairn. At the breeders where Tilly grew up, there were a bunch of Borders and a Norwich, which is similar to a Cairn. Tilly was best buddies with the Norwich. OT equipment: M8, 35/1.4 Asph, wide open. --Peter -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 04:14:24 2009 Received: (qmail 8696 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 03:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 03:14:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6124AF5402C for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A2AE240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A67D34AC007 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:14:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F72634AC005 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:14:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([unknown] [173.54.180.225]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KU900JSZIBKWOL0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:14:08 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1C7300.1020205@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:14:08 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 04:14:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c731070812013633067 Ken Norton wrote: > Russ, these are simply wonderful. Not shabby at all for ancient technology. > :) > Thank you Ken. Funny about the ancient technology thing. I ride old airhead BMW's and use OM's. Simple things with character from the 80's that were built to last and do the job well enough. > My favorite of the bunch is this one: > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/slides/9K04-20.html > I like that one a lot also but wasn't quite sure how it would work out. It looked good in the field but nearly all reflective shots look good to me and I often overdo it. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 04:17:20 2009 Received: (qmail 18819 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 03:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 03:17:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA93F54029 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19CAE240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E663F34AC007 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:17:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92BE34AC005 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:17:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([173.54.180.225]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KU9005XJIGR8YIN@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:17:15 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1C73BB.6040300@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:17:15 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 04:17:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c73c0119651234514069 Thanks CH. When the color and tone look ok to you it's time for me to hardwire my settings :-) -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) C.H.Ling wrote: > Same here, that's my favorite too. The color and tone of the whole set look > good on my monitor. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > >> Russ, these are simply wonderful. Not shabby at all for ancient >> technology. >> :) >> >> My favorite of the bunch is this one: >> >> http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/slides/9K04-20.html > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 04:25:33 2009 Received: (qmail 17517 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 03:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 03:25:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DFEF54032 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A658E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C5B1CD489 for ; 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(moose@71.139.169.190) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2009 03:46:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1C7A74.7060509@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:45:56 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5674BB36-F56F-4E16-92AF-1145C9ABEEAF@sfr.fr> <4B1C52D7.7050808@gmail.com> <4B1C550B.4050705@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1C550B.4050705@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG : Red Dot Spotting X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 04:46:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c7a80160611234514069 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > screen mode multiply? > I won't even know what that means until I do a search on it. So I guess not. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 04:51:27 2009 Received: (qmail 1209 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 03:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 03:51:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6083BF5402D for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:51:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FA6E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:51:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819DB34AC005 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:51:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1219334AC007 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:51:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30908 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2009 03:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.169.190) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2009 03:51:19 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1C7BB3.5060406@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:51:15 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5674BB36-F56F-4E16-92AF-1145C9ABEEAF@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG : Red Dot Spotting X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 04:51:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c7bbf73545368819438 Ken Norton wrote: >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/Red+Dot-Large3-1130189.jpg.html >> > HAL 9000 > > AG (Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do. I'm half crazy...) Schnozz > Do you know the second verse? I get a great response when I someone does "Daisy" at some singalong and I follow it up it, but I don't know how to do that here. Daniel, Daniel Here is your answer true I'd be crazy to marry the likes of you If you can't afford a carriage There won't be any marriage 'Cause I'll be damned If I'll be crammed On a bicycle built for two Musical Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 04:56:13 2009 Received: (qmail 19191 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 03:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 03:56:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD711E181AC for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:56:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10514E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0581D34AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:56:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E69034AC007 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:56:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3647 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2009 03:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.169.190) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2009 03:56:05 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1C7CD2.6030508@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:56:02 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5674BB36-F56F-4E16-92AF-1145C9ABEEAF@sfr.fr> <4B1C52D7.7050808@gmail.com> <6f8422750912061903j34df6f4g6a1b9829bb6c9010@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6f8422750912061903j34df6f4g6a1b9829bb6c9010@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG : Red Dot Spotting X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 04:56:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c7cdd180875034211378 Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > whoa :-) > > no, I won't ask you how you did it. > It's like sausage. > just saved the img., and will try by myself. > Hints; WB, big LCE, Levels, Curves, Saturation, vignetting correction ... Amount and order to taste. Moose > you never learn until you try. > Es verdad. Mooseito de Verdad -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 05:02:38 2009 Received: (qmail 14665 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 04:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 04:02:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3B9E18198 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366F4E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:02:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25CF19F105 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:02:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5770A19F0CF for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:02:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32478 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2009 04:02:31 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091206-1, 12/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG : Red Dot Spotting X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 05:02:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c7e5e196632439112457 Just something that I pulled from the far recesses of my memory. From one of Katryn Eismann's books... ah, Photoshop Restoration & Retouching. I misspoke on "screen" mode. I meant blending mode. I recall that she used blending mode - multiply against two layers (one a duplicate of the other) to restore color and contrast of faded or overexposed images. Pages 50-51 and 80-81 of the second edition. It was a long time ago. Blending and screen modes are mostly a mystery to me. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> screen mode multiply? >> > > I won't even know what that means until I do a search on it. > > So I guess not. :-) > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 05:34:32 2009 Received: (qmail 7578 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 04:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 04:34:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCEBE18197 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:34:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B00E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E18134AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:34:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CBC34AC007 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:34:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pklein@threshinc.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.threshinc.com (mail.threshinc.com [209.189.206.6]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [209.189.223.38]) by mail.threshinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 74B9A39C90F; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:34:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B1C85D5.9070706@threshinc.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:34:29 -0800 From: Peter Klein User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lug , olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] IMG: 90th birthday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 05:34:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c85d8213515034211378 A major milestone for the mother of one of our best friends. Toast: Candles: M8, 35/1.4 Asph wide open. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 05:49:13 2009 Received: (qmail 23756 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 04:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 04:49:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85ACE18247 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44996E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFE019F1D5 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:49:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A790C19F1C0 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:49:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21887 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2009 04:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.169.190) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2009 04:49:05 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1C893D.8020600@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:49:01 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <5674BB36-F56F-4E16-92AF-1145C9ABEEAF@sfr.fr> <4B1C52D7.7050808@gmail.com> <4B1C550B.4050705@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1C7A74.7060509@gmail.com> <4B1C7E56.9050007@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1C7E56.9050007@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG : Red Dot Spotting X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 05:49:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c8949161001136683642 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Just something that I pulled from ... > I misspoke on "screen" mode. I meant blending mode. I recall that she used blending mode - multiply against two layers (one a duplicate of the other) to restore color and contrast of faded or overexposed images. > Pages 50-51 and 80-81 of the second edition. It was a long time ago. > Blending and screen modes are mostly a mystery to me. > Yes, I had looked it up and tried it. It does a little good, but far too gentle for my flamboyant intent here. :-) Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 05:51:33 2009 Received: (qmail 29799 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 04:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 04:51:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F470E181BF for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0561E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF39919F1DC for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:51:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D66D19F1BE for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:51:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24203 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2009 04:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.169.190) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2009 04:51:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1C89CB.6070605@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:51:23 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1C85D5.9070706@threshinc.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1C85D5.9070706@threshinc.com> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: 90th birthday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 05:51:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c89d554172013633067 Peter Klein wrote: > A major milestone for the mother of one of our best friends. > Toast: > > Wonderful! Also work great cropped to an individual portrait. > Candles: > > Not quite as good as the first, but still first rate. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 06:50:11 2009 Received: (qmail 8432 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 05:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 05:50:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E463AE181BF for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:50:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F66E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F05D19F2BE for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:49:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4585A19F2B6 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:49:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (siddiq@ucr.edu whitelisted) Received: from sentoku.ucr.edu (sentoku.ucr.edu [138.23.214.80]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (pool-98-119-92-33.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [98.119.92.33]) by sentoku.ucr.edu (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id LRF13875 (AUTH siddiq) for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:49:58 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: "siddiq@ucr.edu" In-Reply-To: <4B1C85D5.9070706@threshinc.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:49:51 -0800 Message-Id: <6A2EDEEF-65CF-4DB8-9BB8-47014A7E5366@ucr.edu> References: <4B1C85D5.9070706@threshinc.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host= Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: 90th birthday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 06:50:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1c9793214985368819438 On Dec 6, 2009, at 8:34 PM, Peter Klein wrote: > > Candles: > > > M8, 35/1.4 Asph wide open. Really like this one, thanks for sharing. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 07:37:51 2009 Received: (qmail 23452 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 06:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 06:37:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F67E18229 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B8AE240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:37:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE82019F4E6 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:37:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334FB19F4DE for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:37:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:37:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11351 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 06:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) 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Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/12/2009, at 2:12 PM, Peter Klein wrote: > What is it with Tilly and arranging things in triangles? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 08:28:06 2009 Received: (qmail 32646 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 07:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 07:28:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9868F5402A for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC06E240D3 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:28:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D080334AC025 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:28:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900F534AC005 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:27:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (paganini20.register.it [81.88.48.53]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:27:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22431 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 07:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.33.65.152) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2009 07:27:55 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:27:54 +0100 Message-Id: To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 08:28:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cae86286311946193717 "Point and shoot" refers both to the camera I have been using this week (the M8 has gone back to Germany for a repair of the main switch), and to the pictures themselves: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=311 As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 09:44:57 2009 Received: (qmail 11042 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 08:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 08:44:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACDC5F54034 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 00:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9CBE240D3 for ; 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U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091130 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 09:44:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cc089130099752976205 For me this week its 5 or possibly 6 or 7 ;-) - thanks for sharing IanW On 07/12/2009 08:27, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > "Point and shoot" refers both to the camera I have been using this week (the M8 has gone back to Germany for a repair of the main switch), and to the pictures themselves: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=311 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 11:03:45 2009 Received: (qmail 28502 invoked by uid 0); 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([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm260178ewy.13.2009.12.07.02.03.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:03:35 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4B1C85D5.9070706@threshinc.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:03:33 +0000 Message-Id: References: <4B1C85D5.9070706@threshinc.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: 90th birthday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 11:03:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cd301202595683411216 That's a lovely image, Peter. Chris On 7 Dec 2009, at 04:34, Peter Klein wrote: > M8, 35/1.4 Asph wide open. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 11:06:56 2009 Received: (qmail 6987 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 10:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 10:06:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581DDF5402D for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A070E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB8234AC028 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:06:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE6234AC027 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:06:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so1159841ewy.28 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:06:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.68.143 with SMTP id v15mr7800552ebi.45.1260180410703; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:06:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm3319113ewy.4.2009.12.07.02.06.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:06:49 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:06:48 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: Message-Id: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 11:06:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cd3c026541234514069 Good quality stuff, Nathan. I do like the View from the Loo, although you could call it the "Toilet" or the "Gents" to be less american :-) Chris On 7 Dec 2009, at 07:27, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > "Point and shoot" refers both to the camera I have been using this week (the M8 has gone back to Germany for a repair of the main switch), and to the pictures themselves: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=311 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 11:14:01 2009 Received: (qmail 20907 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 10:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 10:14:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81FBCF54029 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DCFE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E8619DFBE for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:13:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652AC19DFB8 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:13:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr (smtp21.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.4]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2117.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A87CB7000093 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:13:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (86.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2117.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 90866700008F for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:13:51 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091207101351592.90866700008F@msfrf2117.sfr.fr Message-Id: <717276AB-48EA-4958-96D5-F42DEBD7C58E@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1C52D7.7050808@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:13:51 +0100 References: <5674BB36-F56F-4E16-92AF-1145C9ABEEAF@sfr.fr> <4B1C52D7.7050808@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG : Red Dot Spotting X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 11:14:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cd56981936789618724 Thanks dear Moose. I bet they'd be happy to retore the whole building (wink). I might go again with a tripod, did you see the exif of the one you = enhanced? Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe Le 7 d=E9c. 09 =E0 01:56, Moose a =E9crit : > > philippe.amard wrote: >> sort of ... >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Flowers/Red+Dot-Large3-1130189= .jpg.html >> > > Kinda creepy. > > Looked at and enjoyed some others. > > Just for fun. > > > A. 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Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Separated Zuiko 250/2, was: Inside the Zuiko 300mm F4.5 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 11:52:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cde57309941950411718 Hi Wayne and all, > Here's one of my (OT) lenses, severely affected by separation: > From: "Wayne Harridge" >Looks like the old O-Nikkor Yes, it is. Pre-AI, of course. >regret selling it now as it looked so cool on an F2 Oh, _that_ F2, I see. >and performance seemed >pretty good too. I had two of these, but IMHO none seemed to perform great... more or less like the Zuiko 35/2 :-( IME, the best 35/2 for SLRs is the Russian Mir-24, followed closely by the Canon FDn (not the older FD-SSC). There were some radioactive lenses in this category (I tried Canon and Super-Takumar) with great sharpness and contrast... but with a severe yellow tone. Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 11:53:39 2009 Received: (qmail 6948 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 10:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 10:53:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBC1E181BF for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:53:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AD3E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:53:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E23519E138 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:53:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741CB19E135 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:53:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3578 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 10:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 10:50:47 -0000 Message-Id: <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:53:27 +1100 References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 11:53:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cdeb3268411342116753 Euphemisms, all of them! AFAIK, the Australian 'dunny' is the only one that actually reflects the true usage of the room. (from 'dung'). Scroll down here to etymology where I also found this fascinating concept And this rather amusing site - http://www.walkingdead.net/perl/euphemism I'd do more research but I can't be arsed. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/12/2009, at 9:06 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Good quality stuff, Nathan. I do like the View from the Loo, > although you could call it the "Toilet" or the "Gents" to be less > american -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 11:55:47 2009 Received: (qmail 8175 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 10:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 10:55:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C10E18212 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44484E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1585E34AC026 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:55:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE7234AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:55:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:55:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KUA00BKM3OSS3D0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:55:40 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-11-106-95.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.95]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:59:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:55:43 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <6DDD17E1A45C4A7995E4A437A582A859@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnoPAExuHEtMC2pf/2dsb2JhbACBRYJjhWy+JY8MCoElgi1XBIVs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,354,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="632845747" X-EsetScannerBuild: 6171 References: <1577618531.10131961260156327565.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [OM] OT:Lakewood memorial X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 11:55:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cdf33272761076813867 1500 Mounties .... ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:25 PM Subject: [OM] OT:Lakewood memorial > > > My son (city of Bothell patrol officer) pulled a shift in Lakewood last > night. Very moving, and if obviously affected him. > > > > Memorial service Tuesday at the Tacoma Dome. He said that Chicago has > chartered a plane and is flying in 200 officers. NYC something similar, > and the RCMP is sending down 1,500 mounties. If I can swing the day off, > I'm riding down with him to at least participate in the motorcade. I'll > post additional comments if I'm able to attend. > > > > (Four city of Lakewood police officers were murdered while preparing to > start their shift, sitting at a coffee shop near their HQ. Last Sunday). > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4666 (20091207) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 12:09:43 2009 Received: (qmail 2240 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 11:09:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 11:09:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDD3E18244 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B15E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C167634AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:09:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0345934AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:09:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4450356fxm.8 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:09:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.13 with SMTP id q13mr640292hba.125.1260184172479; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:09:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:09:32 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Ellipsis, was: Speaking of paradigms X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 12:09:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ce277189401234514069 Hi Andrew and all, From: Andrew Fildes >Actually my Mac keyboard does have 'alt' printed small just above >'option'. Yes, I think the oldest Mac keyboards had no 'alt' printed, just 'option' and/or the "knocked down chair" symbol -- which indeed represents an "alternative way". Another symbol which disappeared in recent Apple keyboards is... the Apple at the 'command' key -- now replaced with 'cmd' and the traditional helix (?) symbol. >Anywho the option+full point (dot) gives me a mathematical symbol - >'greater than' sign with underline which means I know not what. Then, it's just a matter of different regional layouts -- your keyboar should have '<' and '>' over ',' and '.' but the Spanish layout puts them in a separate key, left from the 'z'! Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 12:21:31 2009 Received: (qmail 8315 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 11:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 11:21:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F54CE18236 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF07CE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:21:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF64634AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:21:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D8234AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:21:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5827 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 11:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 11:18:42 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:21:23 +1100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Ellipsis, was: Speaking of paradigms X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 12:21:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ce53b309741234514069 Yes, the French layout drove me nuts and I've heard that the Spanish is worse, much worse! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/12/2009, at 10:09 PM, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > Then, it's just a matter of different regional layouts -- your keyboar > should have '<' and '>' over ',' and '.' but the Spanish layout puts > them in > a separate key, left from the 'z'! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 12:26:27 2009 Received: (qmail 6651 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 11:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 11:26:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78743E181B1 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC18EE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:26:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854D519E267 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:26:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC49A19E265 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:26:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuiko21@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:26:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4463074fxm.8 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:26:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.23 with SMTP id s23mr684930hbg.56.1260185179999; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:26:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:26:19 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Carlos J. Santisteban" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 46: Algar and Pedreguer X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 12:26:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ce663303816107113666 Hi Nathan and all, From: Nathan Wajsman Main: funny! It's a very clever barrier, indeed... Since this is a mixed light situation, I understand there's no way to get a proper WB for the whole picture. Alt-2: love that water textures. Alt-4: she conveys the joy of the moment... and it seems to be taken at the "aftermath" :-) Alt-7: a fine picture, either in colour or the several B&W versions already posted. Alt-8: hmmm... that street sign is not bilingual :-) Cheers, -- Carlos J. Santisteban Salinas IES Turaniana (Roquetas de Mar, Almeria) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 12:46:49 2009 Received: (qmail 32728 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 11:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 11:46:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0852E181CD for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:46:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6FFE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B4D19E2B3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:46:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815F719E274 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:46:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mialop.wong@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pz0-f197.google.com (mail-pz0-f197.google.com [209.85.222.197]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 03:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by pzk35 with SMTP id 35so3861666pzk.22 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:46:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.39.11 with SMTP id r11mr11542009waj.152.1260186402464; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:46:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:46:42 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 37fecfc9cc2f362e Message-ID: <60f983080912070346w383539cdsd5f0256034c0f51@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 12:46:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ceb29196211258626592 Is Graflex Crown Graphic good? 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Thanks. --- Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 13:23:08 2009 Received: (qmail 32391 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 12:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 12:23:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D11E181CF for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FD7E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0D034AC026 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:23:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F1234AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:23:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:23:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22995 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2009 12:22:59 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091206-1, 12/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: 90th birthday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 13:23:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cf3ac48321413256596 This (5795) is one of the few images I've ever seen where I found a sharp background and unsharp foreground to produce an excellent image. But you have succeeded admirably. Chuck Norcutt Peter Klein wrote: > A major milestone for the mother of one of our best friends. > Toast: > > Candles: > > > M8, 35/1.4 Asph wide open. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 13:27:13 2009 Received: (qmail 27478 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 12:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 12:27:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805D2E18214 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6B8E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2642834AC026 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:27:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209AA34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:27:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24966 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2009 12:27:05 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091206-1, 12/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 13:27:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cf4a1276105368819438 Alt 3. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > "Point and shoot" refers both to the camera I have been using this week (the M8 has gone back to Germany for a repair of the main switch), and to the pictures themselves: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=311 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 13:42:06 2009 Received: (qmail 17708 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 12:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 12:42:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C67E18229 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645EFE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:42:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4209534AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:42:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FBB34AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:41:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:41:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB7Cfv32024272 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:41:57 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <495B87A7FBEA4774BF2CDAA577E4179C@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B1C85D5.9070706@threshinc.com> <4B1CF3A2.8030306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:41:40 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: 90th birthday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 13:42:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cf81e193301357919056 If that was the case it might not look so good, it is soft background and OOF foreground with sharp object in between. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > This (5795) is one of the few images I've ever seen where I found a > sharp background and unsharp foreground to produce an excellent image. > But you have succeeded admirably. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Peter Klein wrote: >> A major milestone for the mother of one of our best friends. >> Toast: >> >> Candles: >> >> >> M8, 35/1.4 Asph wide open. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 13:59:17 2009 Received: (qmail 5400 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 12:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 12:59:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC03DE1819F for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C706E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:59:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6797434AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:59:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DDE34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:59:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.147]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:59:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so365960eyh.8 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:59:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.25.79 with SMTP id y15mr10574355ebb.74.1260190748758; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm3384955ewy.1.2009.12.07.04.59.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:59:08 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4B1CF3A2.8030306@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:59:06 +0000 Message-Id: <9D2F0889-D286-43BF-81A2-2EADD5D00F3D@threeshoes.net> References: <4B1C85D5.9070706@threshinc.com> <4B1CF3A2.8030306@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: 90th birthday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 13:59:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cfc25116141234514069 Surely that's because the background contains the subject ... Chris On 7 Dec 2009, at 12:22, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > This (5795) is one of the few images I've ever seen where I found a > sharp background and unsharp foreground to produce an excellent image. > But you have succeeded admirably. > > Chuck Norcutt -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 14:00:42 2009 Received: (qmail 8300 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 13:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 13:00:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8360E18200 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:00:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2444E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:00:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E4E19E61A for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:00:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A21A19E619 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:00:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:00:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so1328796ewy.28 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.23.195 with SMTP id s3mr845860ebb.5.1260190833778; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm3375232ewy.10.2009.12.07.05.00.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:00:33 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:00:31 +0000 Message-Id: <1020CDA6-2173-41D3-843C-27E5484E2EA2@threeshoes.net> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 14:00:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cfc7a39909730998309 I might agree with you about "Gents" since it is short for "Gentleman's Conveniences". But what's "dunny" but just another name for "shitheap" or "toilet"? :-) Chris On 7 Dec 2009, at 10:53, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Euphemisms, all of them! > AFAIK, the Australian 'dunny' is the only one that actually reflects > the true usage of the room. (from 'dung'). -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 14:04:29 2009 Received: (qmail 21669 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 13:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 13:04:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EF6E1822B for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633C0E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:04:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC2319E634 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:04:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19AC19E632 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:04:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:04:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14941 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2009 13:04:19 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091206-1, 12/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: 90th birthday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 14:04:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cfd5d228709730998309 Sorry, my description of background was not so good. Chuck Norcutt C.H.Ling wrote: > If that was the case it might not look so good, it is soft background and > OOF foreground with sharp object in between. > > C.H.Ling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Norcutt" > >> This (5795) is one of the few images I've ever seen where I found a >> sharp background and unsharp foreground to produce an excellent image. >> But you have succeeded admirably. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Peter Klein wrote: >>> A major milestone for the mother of one of our best friends. >>> Toast: >>> >>> Candles: >>> >>> >>> M8, 35/1.4 Asph wide open. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 14:06:07 2009 Received: (qmail 31964 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 13:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 13:06:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B77CE18146 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0FEE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC7A34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:05:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784A834AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:05:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so1334876ewy.28 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.97.30 with SMTP id j30mr1432901ebn.94.1260191143648; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:05:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm3384634ewy.9.2009.12.07.05.05.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:05:40 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:05:33 +0000 In-Reply-To: <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 14:06:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cfdbf242031612113968 This is utter rubbish, Andrew! It's a good example of the dunny you might find on Wikipedia. It remained a "concentration" whether it was the British or the Germans. And what is "enormous negative connotation" in English? I am surprised that a man of your learning and erudition would stoop to using it to make an argument ... Chris :-) "For example, the term "concentration camp", to describe camps used to confine civilian members of the Boer community in close (concentrated) quarters, was used by the British during the Second Boer War, primarily because it sounded bland and inoffensive. Despite the high death rates in the British concentration camps, the term remained acceptable as a euphemism. However, after the Third Reich used the expression to describe its death camps, the term gained enormous negative connotation." On 7 Dec 2009, at 10:53, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Euphemisms, all of them! > AFAIK, the Australian 'dunny' is the only one that actually reflects > the true usage of the room. (from 'dung'). > Scroll down here to etymology > where I also found this fascinating concept -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 14:07:47 2009 Received: (qmail 4304 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 13:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 13:07:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F41E1822C for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5248E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9981734AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:06:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D25B34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:06:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:06:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16246 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2009 13:06:17 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2009 13:06:17 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1CFDC8.1040004@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:06:16 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1C85D5.9070706@threshinc.com> <4B1CF3A2.8030306@chucknorcutt.com> <9D2F0889-D286-43BF-81A2-2EADD5D00F3D@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <9D2F0889-D286-43BF-81A2-2EADD5D00F3D@threeshoes.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091206-1, 12/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: 90th birthday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 14:07:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cfe2334261357919056 Of course, but I have seen many other photos with a sharp subject behind an OOF foreground that just didn't work (for me). Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > Surely that's because the background contains the subject ... > > Chris > > On 7 Dec 2009, at 12:22, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> This (5795) is one of the few images I've ever seen where I found a >> sharp background and unsharp foreground to produce an excellent image. >> But you have succeeded admirably. >> >> Chuck Norcutt > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 14:09:15 2009 Received: (qmail 23747 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 13:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 13:09:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B4EE18228 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:09:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8794CE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C9C34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:08:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B974E34AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:08:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:08:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4545166fxm.8 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:08:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.185.76 with SMTP id b12mr624854hbh.53.1260191299527; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:08:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <60f983080912070346w383539cdsd5f0256034c0f51@mail.gmail.com> References: <60f983080912070346w383539cdsd5f0256034c0f51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:08:19 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ecfab83dd7de06fb Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 14:09:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cfe7b14949730998309 that one is starting about the bottom end of the average price so with shipping will end up expensive. However, it has the roll film back, the Schneider lens and it is of the last series of Crowns as it has the RF on top. I liked mine and it is an all around very usable camera. I highly recommend it. AG Schnozz -- Ken Norton ken@zone-10.com http://www.zone-10.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 14:11:41 2009 Received: (qmail 30670 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 13:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 13:11:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8122AE1819A for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC2AE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:11:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE3819E664 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:11:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC3B19E65F for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:11:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KUA00B5Q9Z8RXO0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:11:32 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-11-106-95.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.95]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:15:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:11:35 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqoPAO6NHEtMC2pf/2dsb2JhbACBRYhPzWsKhCkEhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,355,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="632910038" X-EsetScannerBuild: 6171 References: <60f983080912070346w383539cdsd5f0256034c0f51@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 14:11:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1cff0d280941234514069 ......and what's more it's not truck mounted and you'll only need a small SUV to move around from one photo shoot to another ..:-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field > that one is starting about the bottom end of the average price so with > shipping will end up expensive. > > However, it has the roll film back, the Schneider lens and it is of > the last series of Crowns as it has the RF on top. > > I liked mine and it is an all around very usable camera. I highly > recommend it. > > AG Schnozz > > -- > Ken Norton > ken@zone-10.com > http://www.zone-10.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4666 (20091207) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4666 (20091207) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 14:21:52 2009 Received: (qmail 9168 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 13:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 13:21:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8623AE1819A for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:21:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A14CE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:21:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA5A34AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:21:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0306234AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:21:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KUA00BU4AG9RXO0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:21:45 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-11-106-95.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.95]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:25:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:21:47 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <7F0998C47B254962928421BD9E7D8ABB@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqoPAJ6PHEtMC2pf/2dsb2JhbACBRYhPzXwKhCkEhWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,355,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="645366158" X-EsetScannerBuild: 6171 References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <1020CDA6-2173-41D3-843C-27E5484E2EA2@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 14:21:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d0170297444877110844 I thought that the standard Australian terminology was "Blokes" and "Sheilas". jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot >I might agree with you about "Gents" since it is short for "Gentleman's >Conveniences". But what's "dunny" but just another name for "shitheap" or >"toilet"? > > :-) > > Chris > > On 7 Dec 2009, at 10:53, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> Euphemisms, all of them! >> AFAIK, the Australian 'dunny' is the only one that actually reflects >> the true usage of the room. (from 'dung'). > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4666 (20091207) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4666 (20091207) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 14:25:18 2009 Received: (qmail 3849 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 13:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 13:25:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8E8E18198 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F16E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3497D34AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:25:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F5934AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:25:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ch_photo@accura.com.hk whitelisted) Received: from smtpo.ctimail.com (smtp.ctimail.com [203.186.94.58]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:25:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAIN (119246003252.ctinets.com [119.246.3.252]) by smtpo.ctimail.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB7DP9p6004960 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:25:09 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <67F8E16BE7EA414BAF844F2CB814FFA3@MAIN> From: "C.H.Ling" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B1C85D5.9070706@threshinc.com> <4B1CF3A2.8030306@chucknorcutt.com><495B87A7FBEA4774BF2CDAA577E4179C@MAIN> <4B1CFD4F.4030404@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:24:57 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: 90th birthday X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 14:25:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d023e89891234514069 I was just joking, I know what you mean ;-) On the other hand I have seen and did many shots with OOF foreground that look good, of course you could be more demanding on that. C.H.Ling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norcutt" > Sorry, my description of background was not so good. > > Chuck Norcutt > > C.H.Ling wrote: >> If that was the case it might not look so good, it is soft background and >> OOF foreground with sharp object in between. >> >> C.H.Ling >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck Norcutt" >> >>> This (5795) is one of the few images I've ever seen where I found a >>> sharp background and unsharp foreground to produce an excellent image. >>> But you have succeeded admirably. >>> >>> Chuck Norcutt >>> >>> >>> Peter Klein wrote: >>>> A major milestone for the mother of one of our best friends. >>>> Toast: >>>> >>>> Candles: >>>> >>>> >>>> M8, 35/1.4 Asph wide open. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 14:29:56 2009 Received: (qmail 18765 invoked by uid 0); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 14:29:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d03542521234514069 NOT ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Andrew Fildes wrote: > A corporation is not a group of people - legally, it is an individual. > S/he operates under the same formal and informal rules. > The song remains the same. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 05/12/2009, at 5:20 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> All groups of people are individual and the variation will probably >> tend to be infinite. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 14:31:24 2009 Received: (qmail 12943 invoked by uid 0); 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Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:31:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.216.193]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KUA00E2LAVT7BGU@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:31:06 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1D039B.5090200@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:31:07 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> In-reply-to: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 14:31:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d03ac3791073733319 Th Constitution would have been better if it read "natural person" as opposed to "person". Corporations are not persons or natural persons. As Thom Hartmann often mentions, the decision by the Supreme Court (which is very short) actually comes to the conclusion that Corporations are NOT people and are not entitled to protection under the Constitution (as in donating huge sums of money). A court clerk (I believe an ex-railroad executive) tacked a one paragraph synopsis perhaps intentionally mis-representing the courts opinion. Over the years, people have used that one paragraph as the facts of the case. New Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor mentioned the widespread misinterpretation of this case early on after her appointment. The Supreme Court is currently deciding if it should remove ALL restrictions on corporations. Judge Roberts (a corporate lawyer) has NEVER decided in favor with a person, he has always sided with a corporation. That will be the darkest day. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Mike Lazzari wrote: > Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad > A dark day in US history. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad > > Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 14:31:50 2009 Received: (qmail 27522 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 13:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 13:31:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182B3E18255 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C5FE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB1519E709 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B44F19E719 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mialop.wong@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pz0-f197.google.com (mail-pz0-f197.google.com [209.85.222.197]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by pzk35 with SMTP id 35so3912483pzk.22 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:31:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.38.40 with SMTP id q40mr11729019waj.95.1260192702390; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:31:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <60f983080912070346w383539cdsd5f0256034c0f51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:31:42 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b04e83b474251a87 Message-ID: <60f983080912070531x692f3206l8049aa273dc95960@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 14:31:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d03c6264371258626592 Thanks, AG. Watching, hope the price won't be very high when end bid. --- Michael 2009/12/7 Ken Norton > that one is starting about the bottom end of the average price so with > shipping will end up expensive. > > However, it has the roll film back, the Schneider lens and it is of > the last series of Crowns as it has the RF on top. > > I liked mine and it is an all around very usable camera. I highly recommend > it. > > AG Schnozz > > -- > Ken Norton > ken@zone-10.com > http://www.zone-10.com > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 14:33:11 2009 Received: (qmail 12687 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 13:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 13:33:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5087EE181AC for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C437E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FF134AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:33:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE2434AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:33:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mialop.wong@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-px0-f192.google.com (mail-px0-f192.google.com [209.85.216.192]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by pxi30 with SMTP id 30so1817215pxi.14 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:33:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.113.14 with SMTP id q14mr11658576wam.178.1260192786199; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:33:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <60f983080912070346w383539cdsd5f0256034c0f51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:33:06 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 665ad96e8f004235 Message-ID: <60f983080912070533q2f4c8df0jf036d575e834725f@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 14:33:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d041767091560218263 So heavy? I search at cameraquest.com said that more lighter than Linhof :-( --- Michael 2009/12/7 John Hudson > ......and what's more it's not truck mounted and you'll only need a small > SUV to move around from one photo shoot to another ..:-)) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Norton" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field > > > > that one is starting about the bottom end of the average price so with > > shipping will end up expensive. > > > > However, it has the roll film back, the Schneider lens and it is of > > the last series of Crowns as it has the RF on top. > > > > I liked mine and it is an all around very usable camera. I highly > > recommend it. > > > > AG Schnozz > > > > -- > > Ken Norton > > ken@zone-10.com > > http://www.zone-10.com > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > > signature database 4666 (20091207) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 4666 (20091207) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 14:47:37 2009 Received: (qmail 28700 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 13:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 13:47:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C5BE18212 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:47:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352B5E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9DA34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:47:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5172234AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:47:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 05:47:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([unknown] [173.54.180.225]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KUA00B1LBN39940@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:47:27 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1D076E.6030806@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:47:26 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 14:47:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d077972179752976205 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > "Point and shoot" refers both to the camera I have been using this week (the M8 has gone back to Germany for a repair of the main switch), and to the pictures themselves: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=311 > Alt 8 for me, then 4 & 5. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 14:48:09 2009 Received: (qmail 28313 invoked by uid 0); 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(nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.33.65.152) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2009 14:08:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <7F0998C47B254962928421BD9E7D8ABB@hudson> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:08:04 +0100 Message-Id: References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <1020CDA6-2173-41D3-843C-27E5484E2EA2@threeshoes.net> <7F0998C47B254962928421BD9E7D8ABB@hudson> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 15:08:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d0c4f65891234514069 Guys, cut that crap, this is my thread! :-) Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:21 PM, John Hudson wrote: > I thought that the standard Australian terminology was "Blokes" and > "Sheilas". > > jh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Barker" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot > > >> I might agree with you about "Gents" since it is short for "Gentleman's >> Conveniences". But what's "dunny" but just another name for "shitheap" or >> "toilet"? >> >> :-) >> >> Chris >> >> On 7 Dec 2009, at 10:53, Andrew Fildes wrote: >> >>> Euphemisms, all of them! >>> AFAIK, the Australian 'dunny' is the only one that actually reflects >>> the true usage of the room. (from 'dung'). >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 4666 (20091207) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4666 (20091207) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 15:12:09 2009 Received: (qmail 10706 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 14:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 14:12:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFD1E18214 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:12:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17115E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:10:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D7E34AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:10:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7BD34AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:10:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:10:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB7EAjC8018371 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:10:45 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.d26.47d1905e (55722) for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-dd03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dd03.mx.aol.com [205.188.84.131]) by cia-md02.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD025-d40c4b1d0cdeca; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:10:41 -0500 Received: from magic-d02.mail.aol.com (magic-d02.mail.aol.com [172.19.161.130]) by smtprly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDD038-d40c4b1d0cdeca; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:10:38 -0500 From: nsurit@aol.com Message-ID: <30ff.f9ed43e.384e66de@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:10:38 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 166.128.42.218 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.161.130 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 15:12:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d0d39172391946193717 If I wanted it, I would use esnipe.com. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 15:16:02 2009 Received: (qmail 4661 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 14:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 14:16:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FE3E181D8 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B25DE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5B819E919 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:15:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F9A19E8F7 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:15:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mialop.wong@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pw0-f51.google.com (mail-pw0-f51.google.com [209.85.160.51]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:15:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by pwj15 with SMTP id 15so763539pwj.30 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:15:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.39.23 with SMTP id r23mr11971399waj.2.1260195355935; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:15:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <30ff.f9ed43e.384e66de@aol.com> References: <30ff.f9ed43e.384e66de@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:15:55 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1d22df21b066463d Message-ID: <60f983080912070615v480ac732l5564a32a9073976@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 15:16:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d0e22142031073733319 Never heard it, let me study :p Thanks! --- Michael 2009/12/7 > If I wanted it, I would use esnipe.com. Bill Barber > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 15:28:29 2009 Received: (qmail 21148 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 14:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 14:28:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D051BE181BA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:28:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3634DE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:28:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF57F19E9EA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:28:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5E519E9E4 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:28:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7059 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2009 14:28:21 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091206-1, 12/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Grokking The Trees X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 15:28:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d110d173272439112457 You may not grok the trees but you grok their images. :-) Chuck Norcutt Richard Man wrote: > Hiking in the Big Basin and some thoughts I have on photography > > http://rfman.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/grokking-the-trees/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 15:30:27 2009 Received: (qmail 15886 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 14:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 14:30:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9930E1822D for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:30:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790E4E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F23034AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:29:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CE334AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:29:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:29:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7790 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2009 14:29:26 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091206-1, 12/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 15:30:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d11834195683411216 Me too. I don't bid on anything on ebay except by using esnipe. Chuck Norcutt Michael Wong wrote: > Never heard it, let me study :p > > Thanks! > > > > --- > Michael > > > > 2009/12/7 > >> If I wanted it, I would use esnipe.com. Bill Barber >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 15:34:34 2009 Received: (qmail 2624 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 14:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 14:34:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E35E18247 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:34:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222A3E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B1834AC027 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:33:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D22534AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:33:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mialop.wong@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-px0-f192.google.com (mail-px0-f192.google.com [209.85.216.192]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by pxi30 with SMTP id 30so1850616pxi.14 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:33:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.19.30 with SMTP id 30mr11835134was.134.1260196401044; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:33:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1D1145.4050108@chucknorcutt.com> References: <30ff.f9ed43e.384e66de@aol.com> <60f983080912070615v480ac732l5564a32a9073976@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D1145.4050108@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:33:21 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ed6bcd525b993e79 Message-ID: <60f983080912070633u48b34287ge6c2291e3d21a4a3@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 15:34:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d127a198232439112457 Chuck, Why? What benefit will you get to bid on eBay by using esnipe? --- Michael 2009/12/7 Chuck Norcutt > Me too. I don't bid on anything on ebay except by using esnipe. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Michael Wong wrote: > > Never heard it, let me study :p > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > --- > > Michael > > > > > > > > 2009/12/7 > > > >> If I wanted it, I would use esnipe.com. Bill Barber > >> -- > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > >> > >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 15:41:02 2009 Received: (qmail 16927 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 14:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 14:41:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1890E18245 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DBEE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:40:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C1319EA76 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:40:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC59A19EA46 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:40:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (cygnus@ctgonline.org whitelisted) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27754 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 08:40:49 -0600 Received-SPF: none (no valid SPF record) Received: from unknown (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.248.143.248) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 08:40:48 -0600 Message-ID: <4B1D13F6.5010304@ctgonline.org> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:40:54 -0600 From: Paul Braun User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <30ff.f9ed43e.384e66de@aol.com> <60f983080912070615v480ac732l5564a32a9073976@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D1145.4050108@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080912070633u48b34287ge6c2291e3d21a4a3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60f983080912070633u48b34287ge6c2291e3d21a4a3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 15:41:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d13fe49167801554290 Michael Wong wrote: > Chuck, > Why? What benefit will you get to bid on eBay by using esnipe? > It's psychology. It's a game of poker - never show your hand too early. If you put your max bid into the proxy system, you give the guys bidding against you time to bid, get outbid, and then think about whether or not they're just going to keep outbidding you just to irritate you. By not putting your max bid in until 10 seconds to go, the other bidders don't have time to re-think their max bid. Ultimately, they may be doing the same thing, and they may have a higher max bid right off the top. In that case, you lose simply because someone else outplayed you and was willing to spend more. It still boils down to who is willing to pay more, but by not bidding until the end you eliminate a variable. I use esnipe all the time. -- Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March "Music washes from the soul the dust of everyday life" - Harlan Howard -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 15:59:49 2009 Received: (qmail 22243 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 14:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 14:59:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1096BE181BF for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:59:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD92E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F3334AC026 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:59:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFDE34AC027 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:59:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:59:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.216.193]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KUA00900EYZ9AIJ@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:59:23 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1D184D.9040406@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:59:25 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1BCB50.3000701@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: <4B1BCB50.3000701@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 300/4.5 Tripod Mount X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 15:59:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d1865140875034211378 Officially discontinued as an Olympus repair part. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Chuck Norcutt wrote: > John Hermanson used to sell them but it doesn't appear as though he has > any now. There are other lenses that use the same tripod mount. If you > have one of those you could move it from lens to lens. The 85-250 uses > it. I think there is at least one other but I don't remember it. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Rickard Nilsson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I just scored a nice looking Zuiko 300/4.5 for $185. However, >> it lacks the tripod mount, so I was just wondering if there >> are any suitable replacements? >> >> Regards, >> Rickard Nilsson >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 16:14:47 2009 Received: (qmail 24482 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 15:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 15:14:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7818E181BA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E09DE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2876D34AC026 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:14:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA31134AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:14:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.216.193]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KUA00AF7FMZ8WQ2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:14:04 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1D1BAC.7010103@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:13:48 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> <4B1C5477.4060406@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 16:14:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d1be7308019752976205 That's VE255300. Olympus price $7, my price $3.50 ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html John Hudson wrote: > The E3 body has a small three pin plug at the top of the body just > underneath the left side carrying strap lug . The plug is designed to be > protected with a screw-in-cap. > > The screw-in-cap on my E3 has gone AWOL. > > Can anyone suggest a source from which replacement screw-in-caps can be > obtained? > > jh > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4665 (20091206) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 16:14:50 2009 Received: (qmail 4051 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 15:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 15:14:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CB7E182B0 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:14:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066EFE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:14:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47F919EC0D for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:14:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB2519EC13 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:14:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([173.54.180.225]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KUA005TNFND2O72@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:14:01 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1D1BB8.3070008@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:14:00 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <30ff.f9ed43e.384e66de@aol.com> <60f983080912070615v480ac732l5564a32a9073976@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D1145.4050108@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080912070633u48b34287ge6c2291e3d21a4a3@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D13F6.5010304@ctgonline.org> In-reply-to: <4B1D13F6.5010304@ctgonline.org> Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 16:14:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d1bea248041136683642 Another big advantage of using a sniper is that you can cancel the snipe bid. Can't easily do that with an oboy max bid. Paul Braun wrote: > Michael Wong wrote: >> Chuck, >> Why? What benefit will you get to bid on eBay by using esnipe? >> > > It's psychology. It's a game of poker - never show your hand too early. > > If you put your max bid into the proxy system, you give the guys bidding > against you time to bid, get outbid, and then think about whether or not > they're just going to keep outbidding you just to irritate you. > > By not putting your max bid in until 10 seconds to go, the other bidders > don't have time to re-think their max bid. > > Ultimately, they may be doing the same thing, and they may have a higher > max bid right off the top. In that case, you lose simply because > someone else outplayed you and was willing to spend more. > > It still boils down to who is willing to pay more, but by not bidding > until the end you eliminate a variable. I use esnipe all the time. > -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 16:32:34 2009 Received: (qmail 25616 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 15:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 15:32:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65175E1829D for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:32:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3814FE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:32:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2091034AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:32:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D07E34AC026 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:32:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:32:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4701536fxm.8 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:32:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.80 with SMTP id s16mr651855hbs.111.1260199945247; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:32:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <60f983080912070346w383539cdsd5f0256034c0f51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:32:25 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d30edec0d70337d3 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 16:32:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d2012109029730998309 > > ......and what's more it's not truck mounted and you'll only need a small > SUV to move around from one photo shoot to another ..:-)) Actually, the Crown Graphic is remarkably lightweight and compact. When folded up, it's a very robust box with everything protected inside. The beauty of the Crown Graphic is that it can be used as a point-and-shoot without ever needing to look at the ground-glass, or as slow-poke as any anal-retentive photographer could ever want to work. Handheld or tripod. That all said, I'm really wanting one of those Tachihara 4x5 field cameras. Those things fold up tiny and are really lightweight while still giving easier to use movements than the Crown. The RF of the Crown Graphic has a really nifty feature. It is designed to allow the projection of light through the rangefinder in dark conditions. Some of the later versions even had a built-in lightbulb and battery, but the others had a sliding gate that allows you to actually use a penlight. With the light on, you have two dots projected onto your subject. Just adjust focus until the two dots meet. If the dots are lined up, the subject is in focus. It really does work extremely well. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 16:33:57 2009 Received: (qmail 22346 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 15:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 15:33:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328EAE1824D for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4A2E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B1C34AC027 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:32:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9995334AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:32:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.216.193]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KUA003RUGI7BLNI@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:32:32 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1D2011.4010901@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:32:33 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> <4B1C5477.4060406@chucknorcutt.com> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 16:33:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d2065267481234514069 and for the record I sell all the caps. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ken Norton wrote: >> Can anyone suggest a source from which replacement screw-in-caps can be >> obtained? > > > You might want to double-check the crevasses of your camera bags. Every > once in a while I rip all the dividers out of my bags and rearrange > everything. While doing so, I always seem to locate those missing caps and > other miscellaneous items. I found my missing drivers license one time > doing that. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 16:56:30 2009 Received: (qmail 17976 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 15:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 15:56:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93475E1822C for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:56:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768F0E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6459334AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:56:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65A434AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:56:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:56:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1063755fgb.8 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:56:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.162.129 with SMTP id l1mr713004hbd.214.1260201383733; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:56:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <1020CDA6-2173-41D3-843C-27E5484E2EA2@threeshoes.net> <7F0998C47B254962928421BD9E7D8ABB@hudson> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:56:23 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6500438bd32f0548 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 16:56:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d25ae186931258626592 > > Guys, cut that crap, this is my thread! All I'm going to say is that windows always look like that when I REALLY have to go. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 17:00:14 2009 Received: (qmail 19280 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 16:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 16:00:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3939E18245 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3F9E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404B619EE0E for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:00:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F14D19EE0B for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:00:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14069 invoked by uid 504); 7 Dec 2009 16:00:05 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091206-1, 12/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 17:00:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d268e39422517112723 Paul gave a good answer but I use (IIRC) 7 seconds. You tell esnipe the maximum amount you're willing to bid. It waits until the last few seconds (a time period you specify) to place your bid. A very short time period does not give someone else a chance to see your bid and then outbid you by just a small amount. Let's say you are willing to pay $200 and set that bid on esnipe and tell esnipe to place the bid 10 seconds before the end of the auction. You also tell esnipe your ebay ID and password. Shortly before the auction ends esnipe logs on to ebay as you using your ID and password and places a bid for $200 10 seconds before the end of the auction. If the next highest bid at the end of the auction (excluding yours) is $150 and the minimum bid increment is $5 you will win the auction at $155. A short time period before the end of the auction is good to prevent someone else from bidding in response to your bid but, if the time is too short and the network is busy, esnipe may not be able to get logged on fast enough and your bid may not get placed. I've been using esnipe for 5 years or more and I have only lost one auction because esnipe did not get logged on in time. It prevents bidding wars and buying on emotion rather than logic. You also don't have to be logged on to ebay. If the auction ends in the middle of the night you can go to sleep and check in the morning to see if you won. Chuck Norcutt Paul Braun wrote: > Michael Wong wrote: >> Chuck, >> Why? What benefit will you get to bid on eBay by using esnipe? >> > > It's psychology. It's a game of poker - never show your hand too early. > > If you put your max bid into the proxy system, you give the guys bidding > against you time to bid, get outbid, and then think about whether or not > they're just going to keep outbidding you just to irritate you. > > By not putting your max bid in until 10 seconds to go, the other bidders > don't have time to re-think their max bid. > > Ultimately, they may be doing the same thing, and they may have a higher > max bid right off the top. In that case, you lose simply because > someone else outplayed you and was willing to spend more. > > It still boils down to who is willing to pay more, but by not bidding > until the end you eliminate a variable. I use esnipe all the time. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 17:12:32 2009 Received: (qmail 29121 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 16:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 16:12:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B583E182A0 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73033E24AA3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A37734AC027 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:08:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C0C34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:08:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:08:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB7G85ck010971 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:08:05 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.d6b.56c7e98d (45300) for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-mc04.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC044-5c484b1d285e334; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:08:00 -0500 Received: from magic-d02.mail.aol.com (magic-d02.mail.aol.com [172.19.161.130]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA016-5c484b1d285e334; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:07:58 -0500 From: nsurit@aol.com Message-ID: <3eb7.68a40e0f.384e825e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:07:58 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 166.128.42.218 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.161.130 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 17:12:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d297011091560218263 In a message dated 12/7/2009 9:15:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, rbinnj@verizon.net writes: Another big advantage of using a sniper is that you can cancel the snipe bid. Can't easily do that with an oboy max bid. Here is an example of an esnipe bid I made. My maximum was about $135. the 50mm 1.8 and 3.5 macro are in good condition as is the body. The 28mm needs some work. I gave the 75-150mm to a list member along with the flash. The 200-400mm lens I sold for $225. Yes, I will continue to use esnipe. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 17:37:38 2009 Received: (qmail 20082 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 16:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 16:37:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0F0E18228 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:37:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB5CE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD73519EF4F for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:37:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237D819EFDB for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:37:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091207163729.ZNVS11342.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:37:29 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id EGdU1d00F4Z9Gks02GdUau; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:37:29 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=OSH592LicKi2+aIpjjLcurvLcTlgRSPLpNzS8VagXAo= c=1 sm=1 a=CQcJIN9tuP8A:10 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:17 a=xjW31z2RAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=VTvIW-u3dLS_W6RjcTUA:9 a=EM4n4ZmNMB8yhC7J6sAA:7 a=xHaWJPeSd3ODcWHHGxIR_Y67JG4A:4 a=IKds56vswl8A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <60f983080912070346w383539cdsd5f0256034c0f51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:37:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 17:37:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d2f51119791612113968 A really lot og guys used those cameras for years without ever opening the ground glass. Weegee, for example. I suppose they understood DOF really well. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Norton" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field > > >> ......and what's more it's not truck mounted and you'll only need a small >> SUV to move around from one photo shoot to another ..:-)) > > > > Actually, the Crown Graphic is remarkably lightweight and compact. When > folded up, it's a very robust box with everything protected inside. > > The beauty of the Crown Graphic is that it can be used as a > point-and-shoot > without ever needing to look at the ground-glass, or as slow-poke as any > anal-retentive photographer could ever want to work. Handheld or tripod. > > That all said, I'm really wanting one of those Tachihara 4x5 field > cameras. > Those things fold up tiny and are really lightweight while still giving > easier to use movements than the Crown. > > The RF of the Crown Graphic has a really nifty feature. It is designed to > allow the projection of light through the rangefinder in dark conditions. > Some of the later versions even had a built-in lightbulb and battery, but > the others had a sliding gate that allows you to actually use a penlight. > With the light on, you have two dots projected onto your subject. Just > adjust focus until the two dots meet. If the dots are lined up, the > subject > is in focus. It really does work extremely well. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.97/2550 - Release Date: 12/07/09 07:33:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 17:38:05 2009 Received: (qmail 3489 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 16:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 16:38:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20358E18277 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21066E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:37:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1653634AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:37:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1226A34AC027 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:37:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4777308fxm.8 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:37:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.162.129 with SMTP id l1mr718936hbd.214.1260203875400; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:37:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:37:55 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1f966f6668dc0414 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] A cold day and a long walk - Which camera would you choose? X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 17:38:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d2f6d92471234514069 For me, the choice was simple. I had a couple rolls of Provia needed to be finished up to be sent to the lab before the end of the month and the partially finished one happened to be in the OM-3Ti. Not wanting to travel very heavily, I restricted myself to the 35-80 F2.8 lens and placed all my ancillary doodads (cell phones, keys, spare roll, lens tissue, pocket binocs, TP...) into a fanny pack. The GPS went into an outer pocket of my parka, but unfortunately the batteries died about halfway through the walk. The temperature was just barely above freezing and the wind was honking pretty good, so I knew I'd get pretty cold if it wasn't for the long-johns. My hooded sweatshirt kept my head warm, ears thawed and long-hair under control. The hiking boots kept my feet warm despite the fact I was wearing only one layer of cotton socks. A pair of thin gloves finished off the outerwear. As my hike across uneven ground was about five miles, I really didn't want to carry any tripods with me, so I placed my poor-man's Nortonized "shoulder stock" on the camera. This is actually just a hacksawed center-column with a studio-light ball-head screwed onto the top. When this is attached to the camera and swung 90 degrees to the rear, it functions as a shoulder-stock support. Mine is a very specific length to work for me. (pictured on the following webpage link) http://www.image66media.com/page10.html So, off to the state forest for my long hike. After a few minutes I flushed out a herd of deer which were not happy to be displaced from their nice warm spots. Fortunately, they went a particular direction where I wouldn't run into them again--otherwise I'd feel guilty about continously chasing them. I'm slowly learning which way to go when I hike the perimeter loop. If I go counter-clockwise (anti-clockwise), I end up walking uphill for over a mile. If I go clockwise, the hill is steep and short and then you get to go downhill for a long long time. Besides, clockwise was good on Saturday because it meant that I'd walk into the wind for a shorter distance. The day seemed bright and sunny, but that was not true. Sunny-16 was actually more like Arctic-8. F8 at 1/125 (Provia 100F) was a good starting point and most exposures ended up being a variation of it. Even with the sun "shining" I decided that my sunglasses weren't really necessary. The "shoulder-stock" worked extremely well and the camera stayed on the outside of the parka the entire time. Battery issues? HAH! This is the OM-3Ti we're talking about--not a digital camera or the OM-2S. I shot about 20 pictures, but that number is a little misleading because all except two weren't duped. Unlike a digital camera, I try to shoot only one shot on film of any given composition and spend the effort before pressing the shutter to get things right. Kinda like "pre-chimping". So, inotherwords, a good 1GB worth of normal RAW images.... Sunset comes early this time of year, and it was setting as I got back to the Jeep. As I sat in the vehicle before leaving, I thought about the experience and thought about the blessed life I do have. On this nice Saturday, I was able to escape the demands of the "Honey-Do List" for a while, get out for some fresh air (more or less, as the state forest happened to be downwind from a hog confinement), walk in fine health, and take a few pictures along the way with one extremely-fine piece of camera gear of which both the camera and lens were given to me for the purpose of being used. Used it is. The quiet "kerr-snick" of the shutter and the near-silent winding mechanism conspire with the magical view through the big, bright viewfinder to make you shoot more than you can afford, but less than you really want. Next time I'm putting fresh batteries in the GPS. It makes trecking off trail a whole lot easier. Snow storm are marching through and the tips of my cross-country skis have been spotted somewhere inide the garage. In a couple of days I'll be back out there finishing my last roll of slide film for 2009 on the OM-3Ti. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 18:03:10 2009 Received: (qmail 13510 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 17:03:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 17:03:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE07E1822C for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D84E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:02:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ABF019F15D for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:02:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF3C19F150 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:02:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so4805834fxm.8 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:02:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.135 with SMTP id c7mr2315983wef.62.1260205365149; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:02:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:02:45 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912070902t725001a9w36d5c14dc58d978f@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 04/12/2009: through my office window X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 18:03:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d354e175571560218263 Oh Chris, you're so late-90's. ;^) Joel W. On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Not bad, as you say :-) > > But I am sorry to see that you face the same daily torture as I do: Outlook and other M$ ghastliness ... ;-) > > Chris > > On 6 Dec 2009, at 17:54, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> I have often showed you the view from our terrace at the office. Here is what I see when I sit at my desk: >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#733238019_X5CGo-O-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 20:16:17 2009 Received: (qmail 29809 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 19:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 19:16:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2150E1822B for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9E8E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E26F3610006 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:16:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD233610001 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:16:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp08.online.nl (smtp08.online.nl [194.134.42.53]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp08.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C006601C for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:16:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp08.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:16:04 +0100 (CET) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:16:01 +0100 Message-ID: <8C1A0079305640D28F0AC96E9235400E@wiliam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp08.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 04/12/2009: through my office window X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 20:16:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d5481271832439112457 Maybe not as good as the other side of the building, but not too shabby either! Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Nathan Wajsman [mailto:photo@frozenlight.eu] > Verzonden: zondag 6 december 2009 18:54 > Aan: Leica Users Group; leica@freelists.org; Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: [OM] Nathan's PAD 04/12/2009: through my office window > > > I have often showed you the view from our terrace at the > office. Here is what I see when I sit at my desk: > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#733238019_X5CGo -O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.709 / Virusdatabase: 270.14.96/2548 - datum van uitgifte: 12/06/09 08:30:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 20:21:34 2009 Received: (qmail 10496 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 19:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 19:21:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081AEE181D6 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:21:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615EBE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:21:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270BB1CD4A5 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:21:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064E51CD49F for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:21:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp04.online.nl (smtp04.online.nl [194.134.41.34]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp04.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6012BE036 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:21:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp04.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:21:23 +0100 (CET) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:21:21 +0100 Message-ID: <58999F78227E45DA9E31D56F307218E8@wiliam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp04.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 20:21:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d55be280101879814018 Nice serie Russ, These two are my favorites: http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/slides/9K15-07.html Because I like how the almost white tresstrunks stand out against the background http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/slides/9K26-09.html Because of how the light falls through the leaves And http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/slides/9K26-12.html For the reflections Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Russ Butler [mailto:rbinnj@verizon.net] > Verzonden: zondag 6 december 2009 20:05 > Aan: OMlist Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: [OM] Fall is Over > > > Yesterday we had our first snow storm of the season so the Fall > "shooting" season is over here in NJ. On to Winter [:-) or > :-(] it all > depends on how it plays out. > > These are some selected shots from the Fall: > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/ja-topic.html (all shot w/ OM-4 new circuit or OM-4T on fuji 400 print film using various z & 3rd party lenses. Scanned raw with V700 & edited with ImageMagick, Photoline & NeatImage.) Comments & critiques are always welcome. Also please let me know if the images are too light/dark/contrasty etc. as I've been fiddling with monitors and could have easily screwed things up. TIA. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.709 / Virusdatabase: 270.14.96/2548 - datum van uitgifte: 12/07/09 08:33:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 20:26:32 2009 Received: (qmail 32237 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 19:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 19:26:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B670E1822D for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:26:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E934DE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:26:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D457E1CD49A for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:26:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8171CD490 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:26:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp05.online.nl (smtp05.online.nl [194.134.41.35]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:26:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp05.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp05.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067665222B for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:26:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from wiliam (s5592a9e4.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.146.169.228]) by smtp05.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:26:21 +0100 (CET) From: "Wiliam Wagenaar" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:26:19 +0100 Message-ID: <8AE009276E5E4E5084E77332798CA51E@wiliam> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp05.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 20:26:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d56e8298942517112723 Yup, same way I found my E-3's viewfinder rubber two days after I thought I had lost it. Wiliam > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@zone-10.com] > Verzonden: maandag 7 december 2009 4:05 > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part > > > > > > Can anyone suggest a source from which replacement > screw-in-caps can > > be obtained? > > > You might want to double-check the crevasses of your camera > bags. Every once in a while I rip all the dividers out of my > bags and rearrange everything. While doing so, I always seem > to locate those missing caps and other miscellaneous items. > I found my missing drivers license one time doing that. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 9.0.709 / Virusdatabase: 270.14.96/2548 - datum van > uitgifte: 12/07/09 08:33:00 > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 20:33:08 2009 Received: (qmail 1281 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 19:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 19:33:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140A5E1822B for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301C1E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1091634AC028 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:31:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522BB34AC027 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jhnichols@lighttube.net whitelisted) Received: from mail123c26.carrierzone.com (mail123c26.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.133]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-POP-User: jhnichols.lighttube.net Received: from jimnichols ([69.196.214.117]) by mail123c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id nB7JVemn015337 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:31:42 GMT Message-ID: From: "Jim Nichols" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net><4B1C5477.4060406@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1D2011.4010901@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:31:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 20:33:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d5874194315034211378 John, Are the E-3 and E-1 caps identical? I could use one for my E-1. What is the correct number and your price for the E-1 cap? Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hermanson" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part > and for the record I sell all the caps. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Ken Norton wrote: >>> Can anyone suggest a source from which replacement screw-in-caps can be >>> obtained? >> >> >> You might want to double-check the crevasses of your camera bags. Every >> once in a while I rip all the dividers out of my bags and rearrange >> everything. While doing so, I always seem to locate those missing caps >> and >> other miscellaneous items. I found my missing drivers license one time >> doing that. >> >> AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 21:15:25 2009 Received: (qmail 22623 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 20:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 20:15:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C55E18197 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73060E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5406034AC026 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:14:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C338634AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:14:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so3920557bwz.30 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:14:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.148.78 with SMTP id o14mr7715128bkv.83.1260216852605; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:14:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0912011340m53ccc096vc1e8c27684d81849@mail.gmail.com> References: <14883a8b0912011340m53ccc096vc1e8c27684d81849@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:14:12 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912071214v6586fa32haf8f66ea83da96ec@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Windows 7 Compatability X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 21:15:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d625d10851234514069 Just to update my posting. I did the upgrade to Windows 7 with no problems. It took about two hours but went off without a hitch. I have also installed and run three software programs that were incompatable with Vista (PSE 4.0, Family Tree Maker v10, and a remote terminal program put out by our hospital chain to access the hospital information system via modem). So far all work flawlessly. Charlie On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Greetings All, > Have any of you had experience with Windows 7 running older software; > specifically software that would run on XP but not on Vista? > > Thanks, > Charlie > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 21:42:39 2009 Received: (qmail 4952 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 20:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 20:42:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE03DE182A2 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DC7E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D2934AC026 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:42:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD23D34AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:42:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rickard.nilsson@telia.com whitelisted) Received: from av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.179]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 354ED3806E; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:42:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8E638064 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:42:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.webofnilsson.com (fh20n1-m-rg-a13.ias.bredband.telia.com [195.67.213.20]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F9C37E44 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:42:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from asimov.localdomain (heinlein.webofnilsson.com [195.67.213.20]) by mail.webofnilsson.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB56960231 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:42:22 +0100 (CET) To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <4B1BCB50.3000701@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1D184D.9040406@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:42:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rickard Nilsson" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B1D184D.9040406@verizon.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.10 (Linux) Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 300/4.5 Tripod Mount X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 21:42:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d68bf93751234514069 Too bad. Very well, I might come by one some day, or maybe I can figure out some other solution. / Rickard Den 2009-12-07 15:59:25 skrev John Hermanson : > Officially discontinued as an Olympus repair part. > ___________________________________ > John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. > 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 > 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com > Olympus OM Service since 1977 > Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> John Hermanson used to sell them but it doesn't appear as though he has >> any now. There are other lenses that use the same tripod mount. If you >> have one of those you could move it from lens to lens. The 85-250 uses >> it. I think there is at least one other but I don't remember it. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Rickard Nilsson wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just scored a nice looking Zuiko 300/4.5 for $185. However, >>> it lacks the tripod mount, so I was just wondering if there >>> are any suitable replacements? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Rickard Nilsson >>> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:07:19 2009 Received: (qmail 17964 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:07:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3184E18147 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EE1E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D9C34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:07:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A7734AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:07:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10013 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 21:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:04:23 -0000 Message-Id: <9E7EFE1A-CD25-4FAA-89BF-55AB1670BF5D@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <1020CDA6-2173-41D3-843C-27E5484E2EA2@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:07:08 +1100 References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <1020CDA6-2173-41D3-843C-27E5484E2EA2@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:07:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d6e87280251342116753 Toilet originally means a place where you tidy yourself up to face the day. Shitheap? Well, if that's where you choose to sqat... Dunny, from old English or Scots dialect 'dunnekin' has always and only ever a shitter - traditionally out the back of the house somewhere. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 12:00 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > I might agree with you about "Gents" since it is short for > "Gentleman's Conveniences". But what's "dunny" but just another > name for "shitheap" or "toilet"? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:11:16 2009 Received: (qmail 29858 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:11:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A0CE18198 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:11:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0729E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9FAD34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:11:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCAD834AC027 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:11:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so3967149bwz.30 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:11:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.17 with SMTP id t17mr7713424bkb.142.1260220264140; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:11:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9E7EFE1A-CD25-4FAA-89BF-55AB1670BF5D@people.net.au> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <1020CDA6-2173-41D3-843C-27E5484E2EA2@threeshoes.net> <9E7EFE1A-CD25-4FAA-89BF-55AB1670BF5D@people.net.au> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:11:04 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912071311x48507ed2oc91c706232a4eede@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:11:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d6f74165031946193717 In these parts known as an Outhouse or Privy. Charlie On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Toilet originally means a place where you tidy yourself up to face the > day. Shitheap? Well, if that's where you choose to sqat... Dunny, from > old English or Scots dialect 'dunnekin' has always and only ever a > shitter - traditionally out the back of the house somewhere. > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 08/12/2009, at 12:00 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > > > I might agree with you about "Gents" since it is short for > > "Gentleman's Conveniences". But what's "dunny" but just another > > name for "shitheap" or "toilet"? > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:17:45 2009 Received: (qmail 30788 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:17:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C77EE18229 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F21FE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:16:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A9934AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:16:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE9534AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:16:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11616 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 21:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:13:40 -0000 Message-Id: <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:16:25 +1100 References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:17:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d70f9197331560218263 I think the point is the increasingly negative connotation - the treadmill. What starts as a euphemism becomes increasingly negative, unacceptable or pejorative until ironically it exceeds the offensiveness of the original term. I agree that 'concentration camp' is a poor example, partly because it became so offensive, but I can understand the original concept of concentration in this case. The American usage of 'ass' is better and I understand that 'toilet' is considered quite vulgar there although not in Europe, despite its rather elegant origins. 'Men's Room' is just dreadful. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 12:05 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > This is utter rubbish, Andrew! It's a good example of the dunny you > might find on Wikipedia. It remained a "concentration" whether it > was the British or the Germans. And what is "enormous negative > connotation" in English? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:17:50 2009 Received: (qmail 15445 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:17:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB5FE18255 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4479EE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:16:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3552E34AC026 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:16:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8315B34AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:16:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (deebel@googlemail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:16:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so1904722ewy.28 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:16:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.2.82 with SMTP id 18mr14976251ebi.44.1260220589305; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:16:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from user4fec106f50 (cpc3-bahd1-0-0-cust443.renf.cable.ntl.com [81.99.1.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm9740649eyb.18.2009.12.07.13.16.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:16:28 -0800 (PST) From: "David Bell" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:16:22 -0000 Message-ID: <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> Thread-Index: Acp1d3NVKvThlN36TBGirjK5WerDWACCwWYg Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:17:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d70fe270331342116753 See there is a bid on it. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Ian Manners [mailto:oice500@comkal.net] Sent: 05 December 2009 06:52 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti 220521249997 > One of a kind. Wyoming plant perhaps? I have 2 of these that anyone can have for US$300 each :o) This special is just for list members, and they are identical to the one pictured but be quick as I'm sure they will go quickly, especially at that price :o) Cheers Ian Manners There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:20:13 2009 Received: (qmail 1896 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:20:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617C8E1822E for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0B0E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE8134AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:20:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E4F34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:20:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:20:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11892 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 21:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) 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Both Aus. and the US, being pioneer cultures, have a robust tradition of dunny construction and usage. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 8:11 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > In these parts known as an Outhouse or Privy. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:20:41 2009 Received: (qmail 6384 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:20:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7ADE18199 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E2AE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BF21CD49A for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:20:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8211CD489 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:20:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11923 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 21:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:17:48 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1D0343.5020609@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:20:34 +1100 References: <083ED2F8-D033-4B9D-ABF2-D67B37ED4EC2@threeshoes.net><24C295CA8AA0441DAC01923539A3919A@SueHome><14883a8b0912010814j18e926e4y36dc28d9628b6fa5@mail.gmail.com><87793E47-3BA2-4821-BF3A-DBC22B86CA67@solms.co.za><1D42E26A-A455-46BC-BA31-70C6B98C1595@threeshoes.net> <4836A846FAE24545AA34753659CD09C4@SueHome> <8BA2ADDC-0279-4AD5-B414-F1B0E6549EAC@solms.co.za> <5745ACF2-3202-4422-9718-2E63601C29FA@people.net.au> <8D9348F4-DACF-4425-A021-42D6BF7A6BA0@people.net.au> <675AD80D-7386-4EDD-9866-B327D2F2BB9B@people.net.au> <4B1D0343.5020609@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:20:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d71a94791234514069 Is so! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 12:29 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > NOT -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:23:14 2009 Received: (qmail 10777 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:23:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6B3E1819F for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE29E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1E934AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:22:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0333610002 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:22:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:22:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12068 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 21:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:20:01 -0000 Message-Id: <11EE6D0E-4C9D-4281-87D5-EF7BE876D6B0@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1D039B.5090200@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:22:46 +1100 References: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> <4B1D039B.5090200@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:23:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d72428527801554290 Oh, that's nasty. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 12:31 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > The Supreme Court is currently deciding if it should remove ALL > restrictions on corporations. Judge Roberts (a corporate lawyer) has > NEVER decided in favor with a person, he has always sided with a > corporation. That will be the darkest day. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:26:51 2009 Received: (qmail 23368 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:26:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F60E181CB for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:26:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B12E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891BC34AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:26:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94063610001 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:26:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1189442fgb.8 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:26:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.181.163 with SMTP id m35mr728000hbg.175.1260221184762; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:26:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4B1BCB50.3000701@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1D184D.9040406@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:26:24 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6845ac42056c47c9 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 300/4.5 Tripod Mount X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:26:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d731a237371342116753 > > Too bad. Very well, I might come by one some day, or maybe I can > figure out some other solution. > The tripod ring on the 300/4.5 is, in my opinion, optional. There are times when the camera/lens combination rides better on the len's tripod mount and other times when it does better on the camera's tripod mount. You have to consider the leverage. For example, when the 300/4.5 is used on an OM body without any motordrive or winder, the len's tripod mount is advantageous as the center of gravity is pretty much centered. But when you have a film-advance device attaches, the center fo gravity shifts rearward quite a bit. Olympus' lens mounts are quite robust and the 300/4.5 really isn't that heavy of a lens. You can get away without using the ring when you consider that it is also a lesser-used lens and not something that is usually welded to the camera. One reason why the rings are missing is because they get in the way most of the time. Olympus engineers kinda screwed up in designing the OM system to be so compact because you can't mount the lens on a typical tripod while using a motordrive. The motordrive comes into contact with the tripod head and there isn't enough clearance on some heads to shoot the camera horizontally. More times than not, when using the 300/4.5, I use the camera's mount instead. BTW, other rotating rings from some Brand-X lenses fit on the 300/4.5. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:30:49 2009 Received: (qmail 15149 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:30:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548EBE18255 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543BEE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E310A1CD490 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:30:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49BC1CD486 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:30:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:30:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so3982005bwz.30 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:30:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.83 with SMTP id u19mr3979800bkb.22.1260221416441; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:30:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:30:16 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:30:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d740928161413256596 Andrew, I've never been anywhere in the US where the term "toilet" would be considered vulgar; that's a bit harsh; unusual would be a better description. Polite terms commonly heard in the States are: Mens/Ladies Room, Restroom, Bathroom, Lavatory. On the vulgar side would be shitter, crapper. Fairly neutral would be Head. Charlie On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I think the point is the increasingly negative connotation - the > treadmill. What starts as a euphemism becomes increasingly negative, > unacceptable or pejorative until ironically it exceeds the > offensiveness of the original term. > I agree that 'concentration camp' is a poor example, partly because it > became so offensive, but I can understand the original concept of > concentration in this case. The American usage of 'ass' is better and > I understand that 'toilet' is considered quite vulgar there although > not in Europe, despite its rather elegant origins. 'Men's Room' is > just dreadful. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 08/12/2009, at 12:05 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > > > This is utter rubbish, Andrew! It's a good example of the dunny you > > might find on Wikipedia. It remained a "concentration" whether it > > was the British or the Germans. And what is "enormous negative > > connotation" in English? > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:31:29 2009 Received: (qmail 6037 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:31:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C21DE181CF for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:31:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88856E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:31:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629973610001 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:31:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD0934AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:31:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:31:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13655 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 21:28:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:28:34 -0000 Message-Id: <38DCB04C-E1F4-49DA-8FE4-F9274801FE68@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0912070548y69552bb3u93289a67ad1d9e70@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:31:20 +1100 References: <7ac27f4f0912070548y69552bb3u93289a67ad1d9e70@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Grokking The Trees X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:31:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d7431109621950411718 Love the texture there - the first one I'd put on my wall. Grok? _ Pick a tree, any large and ancient example (over 300 years if possible). Visit regularly; sit by it; lean against it; eat under it; doze under it in the afternoon; imagine the flow of energy in it and up it; watch the ecosystem in the bark on the trunk and litter beneath it; feel the uncaring strength and power of it...you'll get there. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 12:48 AM, Richard Man wrote: > Hiking in the Big Basin and some thoughts I have on photography > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:33:22 2009 Received: (qmail 18703 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:33:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7C4E18197 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F264BE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18511CD490 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:32:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8B81CD49A for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:32:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:32:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13740 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 21:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:29:49 -0000 Message-Id: <889D7D9A-4CD8-4C9C-B0BB-6F69EF20385E@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7F0998C47B254962928421BD9E7D8ABB@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:32:34 +1100 References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <1020CDA6-2173-41D3-843C-27E5484E2EA2@threeshoes.net> <7F0998C47B254962928421BD9E7D8ABB@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:33:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d74a2233741220213263 Only if you want to be laughed at. Archaic - 'bloke' is still used but only in very specific phrases and contexts. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 12:21 AM, John Hudson wrote: > I thought that the standard Australian terminology was "Blokes" and > "Sheilas". -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:34:26 2009 Received: (qmail 27434 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:34:26 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55AA9E18147 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F60E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACEE734AC028 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:33:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F68534AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:33:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:33:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13935 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 21:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:31:02 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <30ff.f9ed43e.384e66de@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:33:47 +1100 References: <30ff.f9ed43e.384e66de@aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:34:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d74e2301161136683642 Yes - I use auctionsniper.com for several reasons. Very happy with it. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 1:10 AM, NSURIT@aol.com wrote: > If I wanted it, I would use esnipe.com. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:40:04 2009 Received: (qmail 11321 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:40:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EA1E181CC for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AB4E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B714B34AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:38:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8998134AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:38:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([173.54.180.225]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KUA000BGXGKDIY1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:38:45 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1D75E3.5090101@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:38:43 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: wiliam@online.nl, OMlist Olympus Camera Discussion References: <58999F78227E45DA9E31D56F307218E8@wiliam> In-reply-to: <58999F78227E45DA9E31D56F307218E8@wiliam> Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:40:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d7634312301234514069 Wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > Nice serie Russ, > > These two are my favorites: > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/slides/9K15-07.html > Because I like how the almost white tresstrunks stand out against the > background > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/slides/9K26-09.html > Because of how the light falls through the leaves > > And > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/slides/9K26-12.html > For the reflections > > Wiliam > Wiliam Thanks for looking and your kind comments. The first two shots you mention actually looked better to my eye than they do as images, but I guess that's often the case. I'm still looking for a better shot like the third reflections one http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/slides/9K26-12.html It's hard to find a few isolated reeds, without distractions on the sides, that you can get a shot of without wading in the water :-) I'll probably have to wait 'til next year now as Winter has set in. Thanks again, Russ Butler -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:51:21 2009 Received: (qmail 632 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:51:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03B9E18244 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:51:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92061E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:47:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B15F1CD486 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:47:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B0D1CD489 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:47:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:47:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16070 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 21:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:45:10 -0000 Message-Id: <27B9D845-DBB1-48AA-8631-278F25DB8E01@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:47:56 +1100 References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:51:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d78d9323441744846740 That'll teach me to rely on Wikipedia! :-) I always remember a joke where a visitor asks if he can use the bathroom and finds himself alone, desperate and embarrassed in a room with a bath, sink, but no pan. And rest room is very American - can't imagine why you guys would want to take your rest in one. Head is purely nautical and has a clear derivation - it was placed at the head of the boat where it would get flushed out by waves. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 8:30 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > I've never been anywhere in the US where the term "toilet" would be > considered vulgar; that's a bit harsh; unusual would be a better > description. Polite terms commonly heard in the States are: Mens/ > Ladies > Room, Restroom, Bathroom, Lavatory. On the vulgar side would be > shitter, > crapper. Fairly neutral would be Head. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:51:24 2009 Received: (qmail 30257 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:51:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CAFE18148 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:51:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EC8E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3513D34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:48:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B757134AC027 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:48:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1196921fgb.8 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:48:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.135 with SMTP id k7mr783820hbe.99.1260222514598; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:48:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:48:34 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d8b366f0d36f7795 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:51:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d78dc99352439112457 > > I've never been anywhere in the US where the term "toilet" would be > considered vulgar; that's a bit harsh; unusual would be a better > description. Polite terms commonly heard in the States are: Mens/Ladies > Room, Restroom, Bathroom, Lavatory. On the vulgar side would be shitter, > crapper. Fairly neutral would be Head. > I recently came across "Relief Station". Cold? Did somebody say cold? Cold is a brass toilet seat in the Yukon. THAT'S COLD. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:51:29 2009 Received: (qmail 11624 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:51:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E53E182AA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0182E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04BE1CD490 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:49:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165441CD486 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:49:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16133 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 21:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:46:23 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:49:09 +1100 References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:51:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d78e1247781879814018 Should one of us tell them? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 8:16 AM, David Bell wrote: > See there is a bid on it. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:57:32 2009 Received: (qmail 24960 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:57:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E8CE1829D for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38187E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0739F34AC027 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:56:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0536634AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:56:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17758 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 21:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:54:09 -0000 Message-Id: <4A08E0D5-8DF2-4680-B3BE-EF14C937A6AC@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1D2684.4020507@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:56:55 +1100 References: <30ff.f9ed43e.384e66de@aol.com> <60f983080912070615v480ac732l5564a32a9073976@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D1145.4050108@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080912070633u48b34287ge6c2291e3d21a4a3@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D13F6.5010304@ctgonline.org> <4B1D2684.4020507@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:57:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d7a4b75831234514069 The accepted lag is 7 seconds and works well. I use it so that I'm not = tempted to get into bidding wars - and because for me here, many = interesting auctions end at inconvenient times. However a friend just missed out on a nice Widelux because he bid a = whole number - he put in $1200 and so did someone else - the other guy = got it because his bid got in first. People tend to set their limit at = a clear threshold so I never bid a whole number but go one increment = above it - $101.50 or something like that. I've won a number of = auctions by that 50=A2 - I've also lost when I had a higher bid but not = higher by one increment point. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 3:00 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Paul gave a good answer but I use (IIRC) 7 seconds. You tell esnipe = > the > maximum amount you're willing to bid. It waits until the last few > seconds (a time period you specify) to place your bid. A very short > time period does not give someone else a chance to see your bid and = > then > outbid you by just a small amount. > > Let's say you are willing to pay $200 and set that bid on esnipe and > tell esnipe to place the bid 10 seconds before the end of the auction. > You also tell esnipe your ebay ID and password. Shortly before the > auction ends esnipe logs on to ebay as you using your ID and password > and places a bid for $200 10 seconds before the end of the auction. = > If > the next highest bid at the end of the auction (excluding yours) is = > $150 > and the minimum bid increment is $5 you will win the auction at = > $155. A > short time period before the end of the auction is good to prevent > someone else from bidding in response to your bid but, if the time is > too short and the network is busy, esnipe may not be able to get = > logged > on fast enough and your bid may not get placed. I've been using = > esnipe > for 5 years or more and I have only lost one auction because esnipe = > did > not get logged on in time. > > It prevents bidding wars and buying on emotion rather than logic. You > also don't have to be logged on to ebay. If the auction ends in the > middle of the night you can go to sleep and check in the morning to = > see > if you won. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Paul Braun wrote: >> Michael Wong wrote: >>> Chuck, >>> Why? What benefit will you get to bid on eBay by using esnipe? >>> >> >> It's psychology. It's a game of poker - never show your hand too = >> early. >> >> If you put your max bid into the proxy system, you give the guys = >> bidding >> against you time to bid, get outbid, and then think about whether = >> or not >> they're just going to keep outbidding you just to irritate you. >> >> By not putting your max bid in until 10 seconds to go, the other = >> bidders >> don't have time to re-think their max bid. >> >> Ultimately, they may be doing the same thing, and they may have a = >> higher >> max bid right off the top. In that case, you lose simply because >> someone else outplayed you and was willing to spend more. >> >> It still boils down to who is willing to pay more, but by not bidding >> until the end you eliminate a variable. I use esnipe all the time. >> > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 22:59:47 2009 Received: (qmail 4290 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 21:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 21:59:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0187E181B1 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE369E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9D434AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:59:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC4B34AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:59:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so1953832ewy.28 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:59:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.205 with SMTP id c55mr2383146wef.186.1260223178843; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:59:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <6d6c71da41d6d1273c56ea655efe0516.squirrel@mail.threshinc.com> <9e908c1f0912041734t649e2a9dj4f6a761be36dcc6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:59:38 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912071359v1419fa9by9f8b01b4d5ebf000@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Third party batteries, Tenpa magnifier for glasses wearers X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 22:59:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d7ad360004877110844 On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > All focus screens now are essentially lenses so we are seeing an image > projected through the screens, not on the screens. Might as well just go > electronic. I guess I'm ready for that. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 23:06:04 2009 Received: (qmail 31618 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 22:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 22:06:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C143FE181D6 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79E3E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74091CD489 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:05:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458811CD48A for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:05:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (cygnus@ctgonline.org whitelisted) Received: from www.baddogwebhosting.com (69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net [69.64.64.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10606 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 16:05:04 -0600 Received-SPF: none (no valid SPF record) Received: from unknown (HELO Cygnus-DuallieTwoolie.local) (96.248.143.248) by 69-64-64-52.dedicated.abac.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 16:05:04 -0600 Message-ID: <4B1D7C1A.3080601@ctgonline.org> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:05:14 -0600 From: Paul Braun User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <30ff.f9ed43e.384e66de@aol.com> <60f983080912070615v480ac732l5564a32a9073976@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D1145.4050108@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080912070633u48b34287ge6c2291e3d21a4a3@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D13F6.5010304@ctgonline.org> <4B1D2684.4020507@chucknorcutt.com> <4A08E0D5-8DF2-4680-B3BE-EF14C937A6AC@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <4A08E0D5-8DF2-4680-B3BE-EF14C937A6AC@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 23:06:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d7c4c72661357919056 Andrew Fildes wrote: > The accepted lag is 7 seconds and works well. I use it so that I'm not = > tempted to get into bidding wars - and because for me here, many = > interesting auctions end at inconvenient times. > However a friend just missed out on a nice Widelux because he bid a = > whole number - he put in $1200 and so did someone else - the other guy = > got it because his bid got in first. People tend to set their limit at = > a clear threshold so I never bid a whole number but go one increment = > above it - $101.50 or something like that. I've won a number of = > auctions by that 50=A2 - I've also lost when I had a higher bid but not = > higher by one increment point. Exactly. I never bid an even amount. I always look at the even amount = and bump it up by $1.86 or something. -- = Paul Braun Valparaiso, IN "It's such a fine line between stupid, and clever." - David St. Hubbins "Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon "The Fountain of Youth is a state of mind." - The Ides of March "Music washes from the soul the dust of everyday life" - Harlan Howard -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 23:21:17 2009 Received: (qmail 18825 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 22:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 22:21:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB78E18247 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:21:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06318E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B1834AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:21:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A95734AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:21:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:21:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24183 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 22:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 22:18:21 -0000 Message-Id: <67FAB558-05B7-4D16-8506-E2DA4F86FB22@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1D7C1A.3080601@ctgonline.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:21:07 +1100 References: <30ff.f9ed43e.384e66de@aol.com> <60f983080912070615v480ac732l5564a32a9073976@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D1145.4050108@chucknorcutt.com> <60f983080912070633u48b34287ge6c2291e3d21a4a3@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D13F6.5010304@ctgonline.org> <4B1D2684.4020507@chucknorcutt.com> <4A08E0D5-8DF2-4680-B3BE-EF14C937A6AC@people.net.au> <4B1D7C1A.3080601@ctgonline.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 23:21:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d7fdd243251258626592 You'll be beaten by someone who has a bid $1.50 over and gets in = before you because the extra 36=A2 is not a full increment - happened to = me. There is an advantage to odd numbers of ce4nts but I can't = remember what it is. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 9:05 AM, Paul Braun wrote: > Exactly. I never bid an even amount. I always look at the even = > amount > and bump it up by $1.86 or something. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 23:22:39 2009 Received: (qmail 17318 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 22:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 22:22:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4A9E181B9 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:22:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B25E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:22:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C331CD489 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:22:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12AE1CD481 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:22:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24357 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 22:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 22:19:45 -0000 Message-Id: <7D22E760-80BE-4269-8FC5-8CE6FD7BD6F9@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:22:31 +1100 References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 23:22:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d802f148711946193717 I think it's time for a dunny/outhose challenge - a TOPE perhaps. There is a 'long drop' in a remote area around here somewhere that would make a chilling contribution. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 8:48 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> I've never been anywhere in the US where the term "toilet" would be >> considered vulgar; that's a bit harsh; unusual would be a better >> description. Polite terms commonly heard in the States are: Mens/ >> Ladies >> Room, Restroom, Bathroom, Lavatory. On the vulgar side would be >> shitter, >> crapper. Fairly neutral would be Head. >> > > > I recently came across "Relief Station". > > Cold? Did somebody say cold? Cold is a brass toilet seat in the > Yukon. > > THAT'S COLD. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 23:26:39 2009 Received: (qmail 30094 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 22:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 22:26:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1F0E18236 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4196FE240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:26:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DEC34AC026 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:26:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAC634AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:26:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:26:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB7MQAiv004111 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:26:10 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.d55.629080f6 (41811) for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:26:07 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:26:07 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 23:26:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d811f45155683411216 In a message dated 12/7/2009 3:51:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, afildes@people.net.au writes: Should one of us tell them? I notified them, yesterday. No response. Bill Barber. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 23:55:54 2009 Received: (qmail 8630 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 22:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 22:55:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18659E18214 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09E4E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5CBC1CD48A for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:55:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A6F1CD488 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:55:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.80) for ; 08 Dec 2009 09:55:17 +1100 Message-ID: <100.105c0c00d2871d4b.001@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:55:14 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.48.1429) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 23:55:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d87fa116921076813867 Hi Andrew, > Should one of us tell them? I have reported it as suspicious as there has been no answer to my enquiry. Cheers Ian Manners "I'm half-Italian and half-Polish. So I'm always putting a hit out on myself." --Judy Tenuta -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 23:58:35 2009 Received: (qmail 2432 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 22:58:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 22:58:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50529E18228 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FA1E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:57:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE7E1CD49A for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:57:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEF51CD48A for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:57:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:57:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8536 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2009 22:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.198.240) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2009 22:57:45 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1D8866.8030302@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:57:42 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <30ff.f9ed43e.384e66de@aol.com> <60f983080912070615v480ac732l5564a32a9073976@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D1145.4050108@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1D1145.4050108@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 23:58:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d889b212051560218263 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Me too. I don't bid on anything on ebay except by using esnipe. > I use Auctionstealer.com. Free for the small number of bids I make and has always worked. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Mon Dec 7 23:59:09 2009 Received: (qmail 17180 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 22:59:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 22:59:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C892E18198 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F407E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8711CD49C for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:57:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B661CD481 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:57:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:57:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8726 invoked by uid 502); 7 Dec 2009 22:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.198.240) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 7 Dec 2009 22:57:58 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1D8873.20708@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:57:55 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1577618531.10131961260156327565.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <6DDD17E1A45C4A7995E4A437A582A859@hudson> In-Reply-To: <6DDD17E1A45C4A7995E4A437A582A859@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] OT:Lakewood memorial X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Dec 7 23:59:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d88bd224121076813867 John Hudson wrote: > 1500 Mounties .... ! > Crime wave in Canada for the day? Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 00:35:15 2009 Received: (qmail 6670 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 23:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 23:35:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF18E18198 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1A7E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8537034AC029 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:34:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E63D34AC027 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:34:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB7NYe7c028945 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:34:40 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.c44.3afe73d0 (37068) for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-me01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me01.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.102]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB052-b2b34b1d910327f; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:34:35 -0500 Received: from webmail-m041 (webmail-m041.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.224]) by smtprly-me01.mx.aol.com (v127.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME015-b2b34b1d910327f; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:34:27 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:34:26 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 29644-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:34:26 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 00:35:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d9133150641744846740 I think it's time for a dunny/outhose challenge - a TOPE perhaps. There is a 'long drop' in a remote area around here somewhere that would make a chilling contribution. Andrew Fildes Nathan's prollly mortified we stole his thread. Why are they 6Ft deep? Hookworms of course--hookworm larvae can only travel 4 ft from deposition before pooping out. The 'lazy" nature of those in the Southern US was often due to anemia form hookworm. The outhouse had a substantial effect on public health. Cal Coolidge had a window in his outhouse--very unusual. An occassionally knowing sh*t from Shinola, Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 00:51:41 2009 Received: (qmail 21456 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 23:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 23:51:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C53E1824E for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11306E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:51:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D169D1CD48A for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:51:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEB01CD489 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:51:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (usher99@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:51:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB7NpK5F011249 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:51:20 -0500 Received: from USHER99@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.c02.6e40f85e (55718) for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-dd01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dd01.mx.aol.com [205.188.84.129]) by cia-md02.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD021-d3ec4b1d94ec32a; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:51:16 -0500 Received: from webmail-m041 (webmail-m041.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.224]) by smtprly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v127.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDD018-d3ec4b1d94ec32a; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:51:08 -0500 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:51:08 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 209.192.173.2 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: usher99@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 29644-STANDARD Received: from 209.192.173.2 by webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:51:08 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC45AF484978D5-4290-5362@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-SENDER: USHER99@aol.com Subject: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 00:51:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d950d196875034211378 AG says: "Actually, the Crown Graphic is remarkably lightweight and compact. When folded up, it's a very robust box with everything protected inside. The beauty of the Crown Graphic is that it can be used as a point-and-shoot without ever needing to look at the ground-glass, or as slow-poke as any anal-retentive photographer could ever want to work. Handheld or tripod." What about the Horseman HF? I think Jeff K said that very nice and compact (more than most) with more movement possible than CG. I've never handled either. Perhaps some concerning limitation in the longest FL that can be used, IIRC. A satisfied with 10 deg of tilt with Mirex for OM for now, Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 00:56:58 2009 Received: (qmail 17584 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 2009 23:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 23:56:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CBBE181CB for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214BEE240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE7E1CD485 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:56:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8641CD481 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:56:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mialop.wong@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-pw0-f51.google.com (mail-pw0-f51.google.com [209.85.160.51]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:56:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by pwj15 with SMTP id 15so1088722pwj.30 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:56:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.61.16 with SMTP id o16mr13348506wak.15.1260230211234; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:56:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1D8866.8030302@gmail.com> References: <30ff.f9ed43e.384e66de@aol.com> <60f983080912070615v480ac732l5564a32a9073976@mail.gmail.com> <4B1D1145.4050108@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1D8866.8030302@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:56:51 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e2a40f890b0cc9fa Message-ID: <60f983080912071556h7c12a7c2ocd1e57feaab08d8d@mail.gmail.com> From: Michael Wong To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 00:56:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d964a240721006886880 Thanks for all to explan to me. I know why I always loss on eBay :-( I'll go on sinper to bid on eBay future. --- Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 01:24:08 2009 Received: (qmail 7082 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 00:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 00:24:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E66E18229 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F127E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:24:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0265434AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:24:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A69734AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:24:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26807 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 00:23:57 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 01:24:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d9ca8314469730998309 I emailed the guy a couple days ago and told him the illustrated camera was an OM-30 but he never responded. Chuck Norcutt David Bell wrote: > See there is a bid on it. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Manners [mailto:oice500@comkal.net] > Sent: 05 December 2009 06:52 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti > > 220521249997 > >> One of a kind. Wyoming plant perhaps? > > I have 2 of these that anyone can have for US$300 each :o) > > This special is just for list members, and they are identical to the one > pictured but be quick as I'm sure they will go quickly, especially at that > price :o) > > Cheers > Ian Manners > There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD UNIX. We > don't believe this to be a coincidence. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 01:32:02 2009 Received: (qmail 18480 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 00:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 00:32:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D31EE1822E for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:32:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C09E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D120D1CD489 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584F91CD481 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31512 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 00:31:43 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 01:32:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1d9e8293313900897491 I was one of the very early users of esnipe and am grandfathered-in such that most auctions for me are free. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Me too. I don't bid on anything on ebay except by using esnipe. >> > > I use Auctionstealer.com. Free for the small number of bids I make and > has always worked. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 01:58:51 2009 Received: (qmail 5372 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 00:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 00:58:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A4AE18198 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EC5E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:58:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCB434AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:58:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFE234AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:58:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:58:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5893 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 00:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 00:55:53 -0000 Message-Id: <9BFF7A40-6C51-4EC0-9A6E-AC1F43437C39@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:58:40 +1100 References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 01:58:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1da4cb271911946193717 I know of one 'long drop' that is a couple of hundred feet - over a cliff. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 10:34 AM, usher99@aol.com wrote: > Nathan's prollly mortified we stole his thread. Why are they 6Ft > deep? > Hookworms of course--hookworm larvae can only travel 4 ft from > deposition before pooping out. The 'lazy" nature of those in the > Southern US was often due to anemia form hookworm. The outhouse had a > substantial effect on public health. Cal Coolidge had a window in > his outhouse--very unusual. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 02:48:03 2009 Received: (qmail 4622 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 01:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 01:48:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0BCE18200 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:48:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A8DE240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:47:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06961CD489 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:47:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EFF1CD481 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:47:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgnzalez@chasque.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:47:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-73-220.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.73.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB81lSZv029389 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:47:28 -0200 Message-ID: <4B1DB03C.70406@chasque.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:47:40 -0200 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@chasque.net Subject: [OM] [IMG] last spring blossoms X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 02:48:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1db053243932013633067 Yes, here it is spring which is ending. Just scanned this one - with VueScan, on which I hope to comment when I = have a better idea to say something sensible. So far, all I will say is that I'm about to trash NikonScan, 'though I'm = not completely satisfied with VueScan either. Is it that I _must_ have an IT-8 !? Fine for VueScan, but NikonScan = doesn't seem to ask for one ... :-( Anyway, here it is. Windy spring morning. Tripod mounted Zuiko 300mm =83/4,5 @ =83/8 - Olympus 25mm Auto Extension = Tube - Olympus OM 4 on Auto mode, Self Timer MLU and diaphragm pre-fire. Provia 100F - sRGB (scanned as aRGB, relative colorimetric conversion to = sRGB, Spyder3 calibrated monitor !) small: large: Link to view on black (F11 for those using FFox makes it look better :-) ) Comments welcome. Fernando. -- = Gutta cavat lapidem, no vi sed saepe cadendo. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 02:56:01 2009 Received: (qmail 15331 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 01:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 01:56:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6EFE1822C for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92603E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:55:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8664434AC028 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:55:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E102034AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:55:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:55:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2157984ewy.28 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:55:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.205 with SMTP id c55mr2469735wef.186.1260237320786; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:55:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:55:20 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912071755s20e6bdd9pc9bb08cfc1a6505f@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 02:56:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1db23179991234514069 On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:53 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Euphemisms, all of them! > AFAIK, the Australian 'dunny' is the only one that actually reflects > the true usage of the room. (from 'dung'). Defer to you on scatology. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 02:56:34 2009 Received: (qmail 30012 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 01:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 01:56:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A201E181AE for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FEBE240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC9534AC027 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:56:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6737034AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:56:13 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2158449ewy.28 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:56:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.11 with SMTP id d11mr802401wef.187.1260237372325; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:56:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1CF498.40802@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4B1CF498.40802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:56:12 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912071756u7c0631aaqd9c3d05d9d4fb3fd@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 02:56:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1db252204021950411718 On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Alt 3. > > Chuck Norcutt Same for me. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 03:06:39 2009 Received: (qmail 1417 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 02:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 02:06:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7873E181DE for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:06:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3364E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AED1CD485 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:06:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17A21CD481 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:06:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2165627ewy.28 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:06:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.80 with SMTP id x58mr2650692wee.92.1260237986309; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:06:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1C5477.4060406@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> <4B1C5477.4060406@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:06:26 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912071806p7b7a2877oacd89036c0a92a28@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 03:06:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1db4af265841744846740 Me too. That's twice in one day for me, Chuck. I enjoyed the series very much, Russ. Splendid work! Joel W. On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Uh,oh. =A0Ken and I agreed. =A0:-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Ken Norton wrote: >> Russ, these are simply wonderful. Not shabby at all for ancient technolo= gy. >> =A0:) >> >> My favorite of the bunch is this one: >> >> http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/slides/9K04-20.html >> >> AG -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 03:30:49 2009 Received: (qmail 10404 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 02:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 02:30:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FB7E18236 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E14E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:30:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F129D1CD490 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:30:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E8A1CD481 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:30:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28542 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 02:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 02:27:49 -0000 Message-Id: <378E7C96-650A-45A7-8E10-F70B760D54A1@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:30:38 +1100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 03:30:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1dba59305061879814018 Seeing as we hijacked your thread, I should comment. Hard luck about the M8 - I had one for a while and it had a rangefinder misalignment out of the box (serious back focussing) which took me a while to pick. The local agent sent it back to Germany! Took 3 months - no apology but they gave me free service on the 3rd Gen. 90mm Summicron I sent with it to make my point. I never felt good about it after that and sold it on. I really like Alt 4 though I'd bump the colour and brightness I think but that might be my monitor that needs a tweak - they all look a tad dull to me. But alt 5 is outstanding - not because there's a cute kid in it. I actively dislike small children - they run up all bright and noisy and whatever and I stare them down. They need to know, not everyone will forgive them. No, I like the general composition, the isolation of the figures - even that odd V shape in the lower centre is just right, opening up into the sand. I'd monochrome that one. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 07/12/2009, at 6:27 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > "Point and shoot" refers both to the camera I have been using this > week (the M8 has gone back to Germany for a repair of the main > switch), and to the pictures themselves: > > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=311 > > As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. > > Nathan -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 03:38:57 2009 Received: (qmail 23011 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 02:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 02:38:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F9AE18244 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:38:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F433E240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:38:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850181CD489 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:38:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D991CD481 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:38:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jgettis81@earthlink.net whitelisted) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:38:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.175.81.53] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NHpyR-0001j7-Cl for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:38:47 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22009122823846678@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:38:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da9400fe9aab28c3f1b5c49f6c5883f79e6ea350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.81.53 Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 03:38:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1dbc41282101950411718 Found my lost lens when cleaning out case to put new e-30 in it only after replacing it twice once off ebay and while I was buying the E-30 I picked one up not remembering I had bought one on E-bay. Now I have two spares. John m > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@zone-10.com] > > Verzonden: maandag 7 december 2009 4:05 > > Aan: Olympus Camera Discussion > > Onderwerp: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone suggest a source from which replacement > > screw-in-caps can > > > be obtained? > > > > > > You might want to double-check the crevasses of your camera > > bags. Every once in a while I rip all the dividers out of my > > bags and rearrange everything. While doing so, I always seem > > to locate those missing caps and other miscellaneous items. > > I found my missing drivers license one time doing that. > > > > AG > > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 03:54:52 2009 Received: (qmail 31411 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 02:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 02:54:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF13E1805F for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:54:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCDDE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E8634AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:54:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C0634AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:54:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:54:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3136 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 02:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 02:51:55 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <380-22009122823846678@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:54:43 +1100 References: <380-22009122823846678@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 03:54:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1dbffc100441234514069 One of the smaller and more forgettable lenses perhaps? - the 25mm was it? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 1:38 PM, jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > Found my lost lens when cleaning out case to put new e-30 in it only > after > replacing it twice once off ebay and while I was buying the E-30 I > picked > one up not remembering I had bought one on E-bay. Now I have two > spares. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 04:05:08 2009 Received: (qmail 31600 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 03:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 03:05:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF141E1822E for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B6AE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF8234AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:05:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7E134AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:05:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15738 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 03:04:59 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] last spring blossoms X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 04:05:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1dc26475961076813867 So, what's wrong with it? Colorwise it looks OK to me. My only problem = with it is that I think the DOF is too shallow... I think. My eyes seem = to be confused as to what part of the image to look at. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Yes, here it is spring which is ending. > Just scanned this one - with VueScan, on which I hope to comment when I = > have a better idea to say something sensible. > So far, all I will say is that I'm about to trash NikonScan, 'though I'm = > not completely satisfied with VueScan either. > = > Is it that I _must_ have an IT-8 !? Fine for VueScan, but NikonScan = > doesn't seem to ask for one ... :-( > = > Anyway, here it is. > = > Windy spring morning. > Tripod mounted Zuiko 300mm =83/4,5 @ =83/8 - Olympus 25mm Auto Extension = > Tube - Olympus OM 4 on Auto mode, Self Timer MLU and diaphragm pre-fire. > Provia 100F - sRGB (scanned as aRGB, relative colorimetric conversion to = > sRGB, Spyder3 calibrated monitor !) > = > small: > > large: > > = > Link to view on black (F11 for those using FFox makes it look better :-) ) > Comments welcome. > = > Fernando. > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 04:08:37 2009 Received: (qmail 20333 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 03:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 03:08:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1D4E18147 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:08:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E36E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:08:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E05334AC026 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:08:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A34D34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:08:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17652 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 03:08:28 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 04:08:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1dc335210419752976205 I liked alt 5 as well but as a landscape. That means the kid and motorbike would have to go. Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Seeing as we hijacked your thread, I should comment. > Hard luck about the M8 - I had one for a while and it had a > rangefinder misalignment out of the box (serious back focussing) which > took me a while to pick. The local agent sent it back to Germany! Took > 3 months - no apology but they gave me free service on the 3rd Gen. > 90mm Summicron I sent with it to make my point. I never felt good > about it after that and sold it on. > > I really like Alt 4 though I'd bump the colour and brightness I think > but that might be my monitor that needs a tweak - they all look a tad > dull to me. > But alt 5 is outstanding - not because there's a cute kid in it. I > actively dislike small children - they run up all bright and noisy and > whatever and I stare them down. They need to know, not everyone will > forgive them. > No, I like the general composition, the isolation of the figures - > even that odd V shape in the lower centre is just right, opening up > into the sand. I'd monochrome that one. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 07/12/2009, at 6:27 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> "Point and shoot" refers both to the camera I have been using this >> week (the M8 has gone back to Germany for a repair of the main >> switch), and to the pictures themselves: >> >> http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=311 >> >> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. >> >> Nathan > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 04:15:33 2009 Received: (qmail 32332 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 03:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 03:15:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4723E181B9 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:15:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76855E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:15:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D50834AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:15:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AD634AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:15:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:15:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so38207fgb.8 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:15:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.87.40 with SMTP id p40mr1188567mul.82.1260242125733; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:15:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1DC25A.9070104@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4B1DB03C.70406@chasque.net> <4B1DC25A.9070104@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:15:25 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912071915p6c71c8acrd661b16d78389fdb@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] last spring blossoms X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 04:15:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1dc4d5255844877110844 What's wrong, is that (at this size, not at 200% when I cloned out spots which NikonScan would have done well with them - a minor issue) .... what's wrong, I said, it's that nothing is too wrong. Yes the DOF is shallow ;-) - only the centered five blossoms are in focus. Took me quite a while to focus on them only, Chuck. Thanks for looking and commenting. Fernando. 2009/12/8 Chuck Norcutt : > So, what's wrong with it? =A0Colorwise it looks OK to me. =A0My only prob= lem > with it is that I think the DOF is too shallow... I think. =A0My eyes seem > to be confused as to what part of the image to look at. > > Chuck Norcutt > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 04:17:38 2009 Received: (qmail 13026 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 03:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 03:17:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CB9E18147 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A15E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:17:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D479F1CD48A for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:17:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793E61CD488 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:17:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB83HU8j023769 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:17:30 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.d49.5d2eb2d5 (41809) for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:17:29 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:17:29 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 04:17:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1dc552181532013633067 In a message dated 12/7/2009 6:32:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com writes: I was one of the very early users of esnipe and am grandfathered-in such that most auctions for me are free. Yep, me too. Well, actually the ones less than $25 are free if I recall correctly. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 04:47:54 2009 Received: (qmail 32024 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 03:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 03:47:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF94E18214 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:47:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D462BE240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:47:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E4A34AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:47:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB50334AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:47:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:47:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15830 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 03:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 03:44:52 -0000 Message-Id: <8820D165-F624-49A7-B1BB-927977594903@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1DC32B.4040604@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:47:41 +1100 References: <378E7C96-650A-45A7-8E10-F70B760D54A1@people.net.au> <4B1DC32B.4040604@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 04:47:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1dcc6a247452013633067 Tempting innit - but then it's just another landscape (ho hum). Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 2:08 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I liked alt 5 as well but as a landscape. That means the kid and > motorbike would have to go. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Seeing as we hijacked your thread, I should comment. >> Hard luck about the M8 - I had one for a while and it had a >> rangefinder misalignment out of the box (serious back focussing) >> which >> took me a while to pick. The local agent sent it back to Germany! >> Took >> 3 months - no apology but they gave me free service on the 3rd Gen. >> 90mm Summicron I sent with it to make my point. I never felt good >> about it after that and sold it on. >> >> I really like Alt 4 though I'd bump the colour and brightness I think >> but that might be my monitor that needs a tweak - they all look a tad >> dull to me. >> But alt 5 is outstanding - not because there's a cute kid in it. I >> actively dislike small children - they run up all bright and noisy >> and >> whatever and I stare them down. They need to know, not everyone will >> forgive them. >> No, I like the general composition, the isolation of the figures - >> even that odd V shape in the lower centre is just right, opening up >> into the sand. I'd monochrome that one. >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 07/12/2009, at 6:27 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> >>> "Point and shoot" refers both to the camera I have been using this >>> week (the M8 has gone back to Germany for a repair of the main >>> switch), and to the pictures themselves: >>> >>> http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=311 >>> >>> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated. >>> >>> Nathan >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 05:27:50 2009 Received: (qmail 4247 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 04:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 04:27:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76ECBE1824D for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:27:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A97E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:27:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90EFA1CD488 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:27:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A121CD485 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:27:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f191.google.com (mail-yw0-f191.google.com [209.85.211.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:27:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh29 with SMTP id 29so5380290ywh.32 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:27:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.47.12 with SMTP id u12mr12949233ybu.332.1260246463205; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:27:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:27:43 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0912072027k5a36bbadi9e3c079d599c80@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] IMG: Strange Weather!! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 05:27:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1dd5c678593900897491 Snow in Oakland / Mt. Diablo? Whoa, strange weather indeed! http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/StrangeWeather09 -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 05:32:55 2009 Received: (qmail 11293 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 04:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 04:32:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02179E18214 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5B4E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD4F34AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:32:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A52D34AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:32:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11817 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2009 04:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.201.79) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 04:32:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1DD6EB.3090508@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:32:43 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <378E7C96-650A-45A7-8E10-F70B760D54A1@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <378E7C96-650A-45A7-8E10-F70B760D54A1@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 05:32:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1dd6f7294381234514069 Andrew Fildes wrote: > .... > > I really like Alt 4 though I'd bump the colour and brightness I think but that might be my monitor that needs a tweak - they all look a tad dull to me. > Ah yes, that's possibly the reason I flipped through quickly, finding nothing to engage me. The LX3 isn't producing the same sort of images as the M-thingie and Nathan isn't compensating in processing to give the same sort of end result. > But alt 5 is outstanding - not because there's a cute kid in it. I actively dislike small children - they run up all bright and noisy and whatever and I stare them down. They need to know, not everyone will forgive them. > 1. Why not? a. Why not forgive them? and/or b. Why do they need to know? and c. Why is it your duty to do so? 2. Forgive them for what? a. For being young? Hardly their fault. b. For being innocent? Hardly their fault. c. For being ignorant? Hardly their fault. They will, after all soon enough grow out of a & b, and a significant subset even out of c. d. For being young, shiny, excited and full of enthusiasm - and reminding someone that he is far from any of that? I'm willing to bet that you were young once, and not unlikely bright and shining, at least at times. Still haven't forgiven yourself for such a faux pas? ;-) As one of grandfatherly age, I quite like small children - in small, infrequent doses. Nowadays, they come with keepers who take care of their less appealing needs and encourage then to interact with me in ways I enjoy. And then, either I or they go away. If things in Oz are anything like here, I'd think you'd like to come upon cute children and mug and play around with them. Old men cozying up to their children raises all sorts of anxiety in many parents. Yet another way to sow anxiety and discomfort while being apparently innocuous. Oh, that's right, the innocuous part wouldn't appeal. :-) Grandpa Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 05:37:45 2009 Received: (qmail 16402 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 04:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 04:37:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0249E181CF for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D9CE240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D30834AC026 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:37:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADACE34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:37:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16707 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2009 04:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.201.79) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 04:37:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1DD80F.1040007@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:37:35 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <378E7C96-650A-45A7-8E10-F70B760D54A1@people.net.au> <4B1DC32B.4040604@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1DC32B.4040604@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 05:37:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1dd819323111946193717 Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I liked alt 5 as well but as a landscape. That means the kid and motorbike would have to go. > Seems to me Nathan has already done that, and better, this year. Given his oeuvre, it seems to me this one was likely taken because of the kid. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 06:07:52 2009 Received: (qmail 23098 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 05:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 05:07:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83152E181CB for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0925E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841601CD489 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:07:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521281CD488 for ; 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It appears that, for me at least, they took away the free ride. George ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 12/7/2009 10:48:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, olympus-request@thomasclausen.net writes: In a message dated 12/7/2009 6:32:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com writes: I was one of the very early users of esnipe and am grandfathered-in such that most auctions for me are free. Yep, me too. Well, actually the ones less than $25 are free if I recall correctly. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 06:52:41 2009 Received: (qmail 10190 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 05:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 05:52:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1936E181AE for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E109CE240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C562E34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:52:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15C434AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:52:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from zux221-125-014.adsl.green.ch ([81.221.125.14]:51298 helo=IanMacBookPro.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NHt00-0003JL-3W for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:52:36 -0600 Message-ID: <4B1DE99F.8090105@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:52:31 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091130 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net References: In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [OM] Week 49 Few Fotos For Fun X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 06:52:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1de9a9225491560218263 Sadly I didn't manage to keep the enthusiasm for posting a few fun fotos a week this year, but then as the project is supposed to be about fun rather than making it a chore I guess its ok for photography to take a back seat whilst more pressing tasks dominated. Here are a few fotos from last week. IanW -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 07:28:02 2009 Received: (qmail 8412 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 06:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 06:28:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48990E181B9 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B271E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:27:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E816C34AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:27:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7286434AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:27:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9A031405F for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:57:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FEA314047 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:57:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B1DF1F7.5010401@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:28:07 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] Grokking The Trees X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 07:28:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1df1f2300481413256596 http://www.interisland.net/watershed/mike/W%20OR/Jun09/treehugger9725.jpg Last summer in Corvalis -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 07:29:39 2009 Received: (qmail 19928 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 06:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 06:29:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A7EE18229 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:29:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6B1E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4EE1CD485 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:29:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1A31CD481 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:29:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (watershed@interisland.net whitelisted) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [69.7.46.18]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from patos.interisland.net (patos.interisland.net [127.0.0.1]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8506B31405F for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [69.7.49.107]) by patos.interisland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C015314047 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:58:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B1DF23D.1050705@interisland.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:29:17 -0800 From: Mike Lazzari User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on patos.interisland.org Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 300/4.5 Tripod Mount X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 07:29:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1df253280001413256596 > > The tripod ring on the 300/4.5 is, in my opinion, optional. The fact that you can so easily rotate to portrait and back makes use of the tripod mount a no brainer for me. Also makes adding the 14xa much easier. (And when the 4/3'rds adapter comes apart the body falls in the dirt not the glass) :-) Mike -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 07:36:28 2009 Received: (qmail 25861 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 06:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 06:36:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07A7E181A3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0E8E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F6634AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:36:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8A834AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:36:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2223.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DA4AD7000087 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:36:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (86.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2223.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AD3767000086 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:36:15 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091208063615709.AD3767000086@msfrf2223.sfr.fr Message-Id: From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1DE99F.8090105@picturepedia.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:36:15 +0100 References: <4B1DE99F.8090105@picturepedia.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Week 49 Few Fotos For Fun X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 07:36:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1df3ec33011258626592 Very good light and colour rendition. I love the composition on the cauldron and soup - and also the = matching colours. BTW I see you're into angels too (wink). Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe Le 8 d=E9c. 09 =E0 06:52, SwissPace a =E9crit : > > Sadly I didn't manage to keep the enthusiasm for posting a few fun = > fotos > a week this year, but then as the project is supposed to be about fun > rather than making it a chore I guess its ok for photography to take a > back seat whilst more pressing tasks dominated. > > Here are a few fotos from last week. > > > > > IanW > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 07:47:07 2009 Received: (qmail 15724 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 06:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 06:47:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B6EE181A8 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29877E240CA for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FAF34AC025 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:47:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC09534AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:46:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27844 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 06:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 06:44:05 -0000 Message-Id: <501CF62E-43E2-49D6-80CE-813F398D19AB@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1DD80F.1040007@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:46:55 +1100 References: <378E7C96-650A-45A7-8E10-F70B760D54A1@people.net.au> <4B1DC32B.4040604@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1DD80F.1040007@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 07:47:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1df66b147941879814018 Like what you did there Moose! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 3:37 PM, Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I liked alt 5 as well but as a landscape. That means the kid and >> motorbike would have to go. >> > > Seems to me Nathan has already done that, and better, this year. > > > Given his oeuvre, it seems to me this one was likely taken because of > the kid. > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 08:24:57 2009 Received: (qmail 21919 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 07:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 07:24:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C05AE18197 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:24:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5251DE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EF434AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:24:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C302434AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:24:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr (smtp23.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.20]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2323.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 586D87000090; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:24:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (86.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2323.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 335E77000085; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:24:50 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091208072450210.335E77000085@msfrf2323.sfr.fr Message-Id: <3131BD05-8629-4633-90A9-12FF630AB077@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: leicareflex@freelists.org, Leica Users Group , Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:24:50 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [OM] IMG: Angels - 16 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 08:24:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1dff4966961006886880 Thank you all for your feedback on Angel #15. Angel 16 is now up. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Angels/Engelberg-Angels-16-1130839.jpg.html C&C most welcome as usual. Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 08:28:24 2009 Received: (qmail 3523 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 07:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 07:28:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5401DE181DE for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1506FE240D3 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE97334AC007 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:28:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110B834AC005 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:28:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 23:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2399572ewy.8 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.24.9 with SMTP id t9mr8243037ebb.4.1260257284717; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm3822336ewy.8.2009.12.07.23.28.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:28:04 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:28:02 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net> Message-Id: <57C9D689-8EB1-4F22-8086-6332B7D8E2A2@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Fall is Over X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 08:28:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e0018184231946193717 Thanks, Russ, I enjoyed looking through those shots. I like many of them, but I suppose the best, for me is the Railroad Bridge. I like number 20 as well, but it might be just a little dark. Chris On 6 Dec 2009, at 19:05, Russ Butler wrote: > Yesterday we had our first snow storm of the season so the Fall > "shooting" season is over here in NJ. On to Winter [:-) or :-(] it all > depends on how it plays out. > > These are some selected shots from the Fall: > > http://nfs.nfshost.com/ja-topic/09/Fall09J/ja-topic.html > > (all shot w/ OM-4 new circuit or OM-4T on fuji 400 print film using > various z & 3rd party lenses. Scanned raw with V700 & edited with > ImageMagick, Photoline & NeatImage.) > > Comments & critiques are always welcome. > > Also please let me know if the images are too light/dark/contrasty etc. > as I've been fiddling with monitors and could have easily screwed things up. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 09:42:06 2009 Received: (qmail 28427 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 08:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 08:42:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD568E181B2 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:42:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8411AE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F9B19D960 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:41:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4592019D93D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:41:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NHvdn-0001Lk-5g for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:41:51 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:41:48 -0000 Message-ID: <96C5EA5C9CC544F4B4115FDFB146D370@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acp3x4/n9RxcPOBlRHuOqtpjw5McCQAGqN8g X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091207-0, 07/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 09:42:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e115e36339752976205 Are you still here, George? Long time no hear! Piers -----Original Message----- From: ClassicVW@aol.com [mailto:ClassicVW@aol.com] Sent: 08 December 2009 05:30 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field esnipe was free for me for years and years too, and then just this week they wouldn't let me bid, saying I needed to purchase bid points. It appears that, for me at least, they took away the free ride. George ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 12/7/2009 10:48:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, olympus-request@thomasclausen.net writes: In a message dated 12/7/2009 6:32:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com writes: I was one of the very early users of esnipe and am grandfathered-in such that most auctions for me are free. Yep, me too. Well, actually the ones less than $25 are free if I recall correctly. Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 09:49:26 2009 Received: (qmail 9535 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 08:49:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 08:49:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3BBE18229 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:49:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F99FE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:49:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1F619DA03 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:49:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A955419D9FA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:49:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:49:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:2965 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NHvl0-0007Ny-SI for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:49:19 -0600 Message-ID: <4B1E130A.7010407@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:49:14 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091130 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1DE99F.8090105@picturepedia.org> In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] Week 49 Few Fotos For Fun X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 09:49:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e1316279715683411216 Philippe, Nathan Thanks for looking, I had been lacking enthusiasm lately so wondered if buying more lenses would help, its seems to have, even though one pair is lost in transit and the other a mint 35-80/2.8 which is with my mother in the UK - a best offer which I wasn't expecting to be accepted. They do seem however to have put a spring back in my photography step. In Baden they had hearts not angels, which this year they auctioned in August. and Is there enough swiss members (or others in the vacinity) here to organise a meet sometime next year? IanW > > BTW I see you're into angels too (wink). > > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 09:50:55 2009 Received: (qmail 1246 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 08:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 08:50:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC3FE182AD for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A489DE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:49:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C1D19DA2A for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:49:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7FA19D9FA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:49:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:49:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NHvlZ-0001zC-Nc for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:49:53 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:49:53 -0000 Message-ID: <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acp3le37vKzp5BEgRlm19FwGXFnC/AATQaAg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091207-0, 07/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 09:50:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e136e131785368819438 So he is, but he did choose the subject "... and shoot", which I believe is a popular American English exclamation, a euphemism for excrement. Just desserts? Piers -----Original Message----- From: usher99@aol.com [mailto:usher99@aol.com] Sent: 07 December 2009 23:34 To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Subject: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot --snip Nathan's prollly mortified we stole his thread. --snip -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 09:50:55 2009 Received: (qmail 30416 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 08:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 08:50:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A083EE18198 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF873E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A1619DA2E for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:50:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B5319D9F2 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:50:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (dawidl@solms.co.za whitelisted) Received: from solms.co.za (gummybear.solms.co.za [196.22.194.227]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:50:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from 196.214.42.106 ([196.214.42.106]) by mogli.solms.co.za (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.2) with SMTP ID 80 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:04:08 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: From: Dawid Loubser To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:50:01 +0200 References: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 09:50:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e136f83364877110844 X-No-Archive: Yes I really, really am not a soccer fan, and quite frankly, I am going to be delighted when my home country can go back to "normal" after hosting this damned soccer world cup. The level of soccer-related advertising we are being bombarded with is ridiculous! And I suppose we are going to have to suffer another year or so of all the ads of all the companies that "made it happen"... :-) What I would very much like, though, is any if any of you bunch on the list happen to come to South Africa for the soccer, to come say hi to this list member in Johannesburg... Who is planning to come though? Or are OM shooters either a.) too poor (because we can't afford digital cameras, because be bought too much Zuiko glass,) or b.) not soccer fans? On 04 Dec 2009, at 8:24 PM, John Hudson wrote: > Here's something to lighten you up .....the upcoming England v USA > soccer > match in the RSA ... ! > > Both sides will be cheering for Becks ! > > jh -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 09:53:50 2009 Received: (qmail 17395 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 08:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 08:53:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE71E18212 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:53:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6053EE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:53:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC8E19DA67 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:53:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B779F19DA5B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:53:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:53:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18037 invoked by uid 502); 8 Dec 2009 08:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.169.70) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 08:53:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1E13EF.8020401@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:53:03 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 09:53:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e141e323601006886880 ClassicVW@aol.com wrote: > esnipe was free for me for years and years too, and then just this week they wouldn't let me bid, saying I needed to purchase bid points. It appears that, for me at least, they took away the free ride. > Wow! A blast from the past. It's something like five years since you've posted? How you doing? Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 09:59:33 2009 Received: (qmail 22220 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 08:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 08:59:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3D4E181A8 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B864E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1631A19DB08 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:59:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9723219DB2B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:59:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0105.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0206.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0105.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A26731542 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:59:25 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0206 Received: by dm0206.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d15b36b2) id dm0206.4b185ef8.7c175a for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:59:24 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMTtrlLHhVsx+H57wIAAAAB,6d24a4ff95f89e6910752ce0eb443a81 Message-ID: <4B1E1544.7080406@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:58:44 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> <4B1D9C9D.8020601@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1D9C9D.8020601@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 09:59:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e1575285576107113666 He did not respond to my e-mail either. Looks like a fraudulent listing to me - all of his feedback is for purchases, not for sales. Jim Couch Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I emailed the guy a couple days ago and told him the illustrated camera > was an OM-30 but he never responded. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > David Bell wrote: > >> See there is a bid on it. >> >> Dave >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ian Manners [mailto:oice500@comkal.net] >> Sent: 05 December 2009 06:52 >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti >> >> 220521249997 >> >> >>> One of a kind. Wyoming plant perhaps? >>> >> I have 2 of these that anyone can have for US$300 each :o) >> >> This special is just for list members, and they are identical to the one >> pictured but be quick as I'm sure they will go quickly, especially at that >> price :o) >> >> Cheers >> Ian Manners >> There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and BSD UNIX. We >> don't believe this to be a coincidence. >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 10:00:55 2009 Received: (qmail 10178 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 09:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 09:00:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92416E181CC for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11E5E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9636934AC005 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:00:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B7434AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:00:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11809 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 08:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 08:57:22 -0000 Message-Id: <37E0D2A4-1311-44A7-8B03-F6C6BC1F1BF7@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1DD6EB.3090508@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:00:14 +1100 References: <378E7C96-650A-45A7-8E10-F70B760D54A1@people.net.au> <4B1DD6EB.3090508@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 10:00:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e15c7149761413256596 I'm disturbed that we seem to be in agreement on the images - I'll try and do better in future. :-) As to children - 1 Why? a) Mere youth is no excuse. b) That not everyone loves them like (hopefully) their parents. c) They impose on me - I do not seek them out. d) They must learnt to recognise the limits and boundaries. 2. Forgiveness a) Disturbing me while I'm trying to have a quiet meal/coffee requires forgiveness. b) This is a no-fault scenario. c) There is no need to remind me - my knees and back will do that. d) I have been known to congratulate the parents of charming and well behaved small children. I like to spend at least part of my days in a cafe or two, quietly reading and chatting with friends. Unfortunately the town where I live is infested with alternative lifestylers and similar - feral or self- absorbed young women who seem to think that letting their snot-nose brats treat the cafe as if it is a playground while they do the same. The idea of training their offspring to behave appropriately does not occur. The owner/chef hates them as they nurse a coffee for ages and drive off serious customers. We pointed out to one waitress the other day that as she is now 25 years old and in Belgrave, she should have at least two or three grubby children at heel by now and, possibly, even know who their fathers are. She shuddered and pointed out that she lives elsewhere. When I was a child I reserved my mad and bad behaviour to appropriate places such as down in the creek. My parents instructed me on how to behave in cafes, restaurants, churches and other public places where I might be at risk of irritating the less tolerant. I was expelled from school but that was for something rather more spectacular than mere noisiness and aggravation. If I'm intolerant it's possibly because I spent years dealing with poorly behaved, narcissistic teenagers who were the product of hopeless parents. That said, I do prefer to deal with the young when they are over 15 years old. At that age their intellects are brightshinynew - and they can actually use them if they see fit. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 3:32 PM, Moose wrote: > Ah yes, that's possibly the reason I flipped through quickly, finding > nothing to engage me. The LX3 isn't producing the same sort of > images as > the M-thingie and Nathan isn't compensating in processing to give the > same sort of end result. > >> But alt 5 is outstanding - not because there's a cute kid in it. I >> actively dislike small children - they run up all bright and noisy >> and whatever and I stare them down. They need to know, not everyone >> will forgive them. >> > > 1. Why not? > a. Why not forgive them? > and/or > b. Why do they need to know? > and > c. Why is it your duty to do so? > > 2. Forgive them for what? > a. For being young? Hardly their fault. > b. For being innocent? Hardly their fault. > c. For being ignorant? Hardly their fault. > > They will, after all soon enough grow out of a & b, and a significant > subset even out of c. > > d. For being young, shiny, excited and full of enthusiasm - and > reminding someone that he is far from any of that? > > I'm willing to bet that you were young once, and not unlikely bright > and > shining, at least at times. Still haven't forgiven yourself for such a > faux pas? ;-) > > As one of grandfatherly age, I quite like small children - in small, > infrequent doses. Nowadays, they come with keepers who take care of > their less appealing needs and encourage then to interact with me in > ways I enjoy. And then, either I or they go away. > > If things in Oz are anything like here, I'd think you'd like to come > upon cute children and mug and play around with them. Old men > cozying up > to their children raises all sorts of anxiety in many parents. Yet > another way to sow anxiety and discomfort while being apparently > innocuous. Oh, that's right, the innocuous part wouldn't appeal. :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 10:03:24 2009 Received: (qmail 22581 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 09:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 09:03:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A55FE18229 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:03:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D55E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:03:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7FD34AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:03:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7EE834AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:03:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:03:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11975 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 09:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 09:00:25 -0000 Message-Id: <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1E1544.7080406@spokeandsprocket.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:03:17 +1100 References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> <4B1D9C9D.8020601@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1E1544.7080406@spokeandsprocket.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 10:03:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e165c243171234514069 Can we contact the bidder - or shall we caveat emptor? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 7:58 PM, Jim Couch wrote: > He did not respond to my e-mail either. Looks like a fraudulent > listing > to me - all of his feedback is for purchases, not for sales. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 10:07:45 2009 Received: (qmail 12863 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 09:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 09:07:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD20E18212 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9975CE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:07:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E93434AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:07:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB8834AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:07:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp05.register.it [81.88.48.55]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21857 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 09:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.33.65.152) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 09:07:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:07:34 +0100 Message-Id: <034A7BAC-88FF-40B9-8B35-9A6858AB0731@frozenlight.eu> References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 10:07:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e1761171841413256596 Mortified, no, just very slightly annoyed, but no big deal. For the record, in our house the place is called "toilet" or "shitter". When we moved from the US to Belgium in 1995, I had to work long and hard to make my wife understand why she would get funny looks when asking for a "bathroom" in restaurants. The "shoot" was part of Point and Shoot, a standard term for a small camera like the Panasonic LX3 I use when cycling. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > So he is, but he did choose the subject "... and shoot", which I believe is > a popular American English exclamation, a euphemism for excrement. Just > desserts? > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: usher99@aol.com [mailto:usher99@aol.com] > Sent: 07 December 2009 23:34 > To: olympus@thomasclausen.net > Subject: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot > > --snip > > Nathan's prollly mortified we stole his thread. > > --snip > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 10:10:38 2009 Received: (qmail 1694 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 09:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 09:10:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED98E1822C for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E006E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2284634AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:10:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F3A34AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:10:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:10:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:54868 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NHw5Y-0002vi-HZ for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 03:10:32 -0600 Message-ID: <4B1E1804.1030604@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:10:28 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091130 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> <4B1D9C9D.8020601@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1E1544.7080406@spokeandsprocket.com> <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 10:10:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e180e219641076813867 I think someone should, my brothers ebay account got stolen and I saved some chaps a fortune on some false tickets they were bidding on and they were very gratefull, the cheeky git who stole it then offered to buy the account. Mind you it does make one wonder who would bid on it as the 3Ti is a rare beast and anyone who would bid would surely know what one looked like. On 08/12/2009 10:03, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Can we contact the bidder - or shall we caveat emptor? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 10:14:09 2009 Received: (qmail 11245 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 09:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 09:14:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DDEE18200 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D475FE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE90134AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:14:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BFD34AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:14:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.80) for ; 08 Dec 2009 20:13:59 +1100 Message-ID: <100.d0fb0100d6181e4b.017@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:13:58 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> <4B1D9C9D.8020601@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1E1544.7080406@spokeandsprocket.com> <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.48.1429) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 10:14:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e18e1270221220213263 I put in a fraud report to ebay yesterday as seller had not replied to my query on the day it was listed (a few days earlier). On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:03:17 +1100 Andrew Fildes wrote: > > Can we contact the bidder - or shall we caveat emptor? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 08/12/2009, at 7:58 PM, Jim Couch wrote: > > > He did not respond to my e-mail either. Looks like a fraudulent > > listing > > to me - all of his feedback is for purchases, not for sales. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 10:16:04 2009 Received: (qmail 17229 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 09:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 09:16:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A52E181AC for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77E2E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81CC19DBD5 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:15:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223CA19D9FA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:15:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NHwAj-0005sf-O2 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:15:53 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50><4B1D9C9D.8020601@chucknorcutt.com><4B1E1544.7080406@spokeandsprocket.com> <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:15:53 -0000 Message-ID: <05F6F266982A4FA0B963C93DD8E706F4@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acp35UtqNgzPFiTgSeu1MVfzoS/Q5AAAZ/Xg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091207-0, 07/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 10:16:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e1954158451258626592 No can do since the auction site now obscures bidder ID. Piers -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] Sent: 08 December 2009 09:03 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti Can we contact the bidder - or shall we caveat emptor? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 7:58 PM, Jim Couch wrote: > He did not respond to my e-mail either. Looks like a fraudulent > listing to me - all of his feedback is for purchases, not for sales. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 10:20:30 2009 Received: (qmail 3345 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 09:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 09:20:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7A9E18228 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF12E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E7C34AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:20:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5C534AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:20:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:20:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14195 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 09:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 09:17:30 -0000 Message-Id: <841E753F-C5B5-4EAC-A7EF-4F2031E0FE4D@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <034A7BAC-88FF-40B9-8B35-9A6858AB0731@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:20:22 +1100 References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <034A7BAC-88FF-40B9-8B35-9A6858AB0731@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 10:20:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e1a5e186376107113666 Exactly - point and shoot cameras produce excrement! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 08/12/2009, at 8:07 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > The "shoot" was part of Point and Shoot, a standard term for a small > camera like the Panasonic LX3 I use when cycling. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 11:49:48 2009 Received: (qmail 25787 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 10:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 10:49:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8140E1819A for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 02:49:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF401E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 02:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD14919DDCD for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 02:49:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E0C19DDD4 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 02:49:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mail10.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.41]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 02:49:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.57.90] (90.57.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.57.90]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD6B3DA148 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:49:22 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:48:50 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B1EE5E2.21968.316F3B4@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091207-0, 07/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 11:49:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e2f4c288905368819438 If I want to use a snipe, I use Hammersnipe. Three free bids a week, but the downside to free is that the shortest time of auto bid prior to end is something like 10 seconds vs 3 seconds for a paid bid. Minimum payment is something like $10 USD for one month. 10 seconds is enough time for a bidder with 2 pages open on the one auction to see your snipe bid, and make a counter bid - if on broadband (which I'm not), and win. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 11:53:46 2009 Received: (qmail 29549 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 10:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 10:53:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43628E181B9 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 02:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878C0E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 02:53:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A9134AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 02:53:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC05034AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 02:53:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (super.wide@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com (mail-gx0-f221.google.com [209.85.217.221]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 02:53:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so3996761gxk.10 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:53:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.143.37 with SMTP id v37mr6470336ann.182.1260269620111; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:53:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1EE5E2.21968.316F3B4@bj.caverock.net.nz> References: <4B1EE5E2.21968.316F3B4@bj.caverock.net.nz> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:53:40 +0000 Message-ID: From: Tom Fenwick To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 11:53:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e303a49421220213263 I have used esnipe.com with some success. They start you off with enough free credits for several bids, and the charge for more is reasonable. They're very reliable. Tom 2009/12/8 Brian Swale > If I want to use a snipe, I use Hammersnipe. Three free bids a week, but > the > downside to free is that the shortest time of auto bid prior to end is > something like 10 seconds vs 3 seconds for a paid bid. > > Minimum payment is something like $10 USD for one month. > > 10 seconds is enough time for a bidder with 2 pages open on the one > auction to see your snipe bid, and make a counter bid - if on broadband > (which I'm not), and win. > > Brian Swale. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 12:46:09 2009 Received: (qmail 22319 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 11:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 11:46:08 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F3CE181A8 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 03:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BDEE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 03:46:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A1534AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 03:46:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D5134AC005 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 03:46:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (paganini15.register.it [81.88.48.48]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 03:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6987 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 11:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.33.65.152) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 11:45:57 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <841E753F-C5B5-4EAC-A7EF-4F2031E0FE4D@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:45:54 +0100 Message-Id: References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <034A7BAC-88FF-40B9-8B35-9A6858AB0731@frozenlight.eu> <841E753F-C5B5-4EAC-A7EF-4F2031E0FE4D@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 12:46:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e3c81323393900897491 I don't think the pics I have been showing, made with the LX3, are THAT bad! Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Exactly - point and shoot cameras produce excrement! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 08/12/2009, at 8:07 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> The "shoot" was part of Point and Shoot, a standard term for a small >> camera like the Panasonic LX3 I use when cycling. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 12:48:52 2009 Received: (qmail 8823 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 11:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 11:48:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C94E181B1 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 03:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CDFE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 03:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB6334AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 03:48:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CDE34AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 03:48:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp06.register.it [81.88.48.56]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 03:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1736 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 11:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.33.65.152) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 11:48:43 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:48:42 +0100 Message-Id: References: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 12:48:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e3d24317691342116753 Dawid, I am an avid soccer fan, and would love to attend a World Cup some day. And I would love to visit South Africa as well, your country has been on my "top places to visit" list for the past several years. However, I will not be making that visit in 2010. Flights, hotels, restaurants, car rentals, you name it--all the stuff that a tourist needs will be double the usual rate. I think I will come in 2011 instead to take advantage of the post-World Cup specials :-) Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote: > X-No-Archive: Yes > > I really, really am not a soccer fan, and quite frankly, I am going to > be delighted when > my home country can go back to "normal" after hosting this damned > soccer world cup. The > level of soccer-related advertising we are being bombarded with is > ridiculous! And I suppose > we are going to have to suffer another year or so of all the ads of > all the companies that > "made it happen"... :-) > > What I would very much like, though, is any if any of you bunch on the > list happen to > come to South Africa for the soccer, to come say hi to this list > member in Johannesburg... > > Who is planning to come though? Or are OM shooters either > > a.) too poor (because we can't afford digital cameras, because be > bought too much Zuiko glass,) or > b.) not soccer fans? > > > On 04 Dec 2009, at 8:24 PM, John Hudson wrote: > >> Here's something to lighten you up .....the upcoming England v USA >> soccer >> match in the RSA ... ! >> >> Both sides will be cheering for Becks ! >> >> jh > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 13:30:34 2009 Received: (qmail 29095 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 12:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 12:30:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37E4E18198 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:30:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CBBE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9897F34AC02B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:30:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CCA34AC027 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:30:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jgettis81@earthlink.net whitelisted) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.175.82.156] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NHzD0-00088V-IP for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:30:26 -0500 Message-ID: <380-220091228123025335@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "jgettis81@earthlink.net" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:30:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 6b7b8904845c0a29efb139d2bf51ae107e972de0d01da9406a6128e53eae6ff7c1198e75970d2645350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.175.82.156 Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 13:30:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e46ea181171258626592 No wrote that and did not proof read it supposed to read lens cap. Of course right now if I had to put my hand on the two extra ones I would be in trouble as I don't remember what I did with them. John > [Original Message] > From: Andrew Fildes > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Date: 12/7/2009 6:51:55 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part > > One of the smaller and more forgettable lenses perhaps? - the 25mm was > it? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 08/12/2009, at 1:38 PM, jgettis81@earthlink.net wrote: > > > Found my lost lens when cleaning out case to put new e-30 in it only > > after > > replacing it twice once off ebay and while I was buying the E-30 I > > picked > > one up not remembering I had bought one on E-bay. Now I have two > > spares. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 13:54:32 2009 Received: (qmail 1901 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 12:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 12:54:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6056DE181CB for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1CFEE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A79319E2AE for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:54:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070C619E292 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:54:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.148]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so601341eyh.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:54:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.148 with SMTP id w20mr2879742wee.138.1260276865795; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:54:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1DE99F.8090105@picturepedia.org> References: <4B1DE99F.8090105@picturepedia.org> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:54:25 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912080454g352a73aeh5924510c06f26e28@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Week 49 Few Fotos For Fun X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 13:54:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e4c88301924877110844 I like the angels, cousin. Joel W. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:52 PM, SwissPace wrote: > Sadly I didn't manage to keep the enthusiasm for posting a few fun fotos > a week this year, but then as the project is supposed to be about fun > rather than making it a chore I guess its ok for photography to take a > back seat whilst more pressing tasks dominated. > > Here are a few fotos from last week. > > > > =A0IanW -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 13:59:18 2009 Received: (qmail 11879 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 12:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 12:59:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F74E18148 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:59:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5298BE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406C019E2EC for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:59:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E8B19E2F6 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:59:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.150]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so602292eyh.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:59:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.206 with SMTP id w56mr2944177wee.1.1260277151179; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:59:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:59:11 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912080459i513dd963m99e0a0fc7b08b2e8@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 13:59:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e4da630041234514069 On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:30 PM, wrote: > esnipe was free for me for years and years too, and then just this week > they wouldn't let me bid, saying I needed to purchase bid points. It appears > that, for me at least, they took away the free ride. > > George Welcome back, George. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 14:07:57 2009 Received: (qmail 28904 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 13:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 13:07:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C36E1822B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:07:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80600E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CCA34AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:07:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1A634AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:07:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2681505ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:07:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.6 with SMTP id x6mr2859458wee.174.1260277658549; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:07:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1DD6EB.3090508@gmail.com> References: <378E7C96-650A-45A7-8E10-F70B760D54A1@people.net.au> <4B1DD6EB.3090508@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:07:38 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912080507s42edcc2fw6d9c7ccd8b7f8458@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 14:07:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e4fad93991946193717 On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Moose wrote: >> But alt 5 is outstanding - not because there's a cute kid in it. I activ= ely dislike small children - they run up all bright and noisy and whatever = and I stare them down. They need to know, not everyone will forgive them. >> > > 1. Why not? > =A0a. Why not forgive them? > and/or > =A0b. Why do they need to know? > and My thought, simply and sadly, is that they will learn that soon enough without my adding to it. Joel W. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 14:18:33 2009 Received: (qmail 30105 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 13:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 13:18:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90CC7E181AE for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:18:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D0FE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53A934AC029 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:18:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8173734AC027 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:18:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.216.193]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KUC00MEU4YLHEBZ@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:18:22 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1E521F.5090602@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:18:23 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1C0075.9090100@verizon.net><4B1C5477.4060406@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1D2011.4010901@verizon.net> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 14:18:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e522953521006886880 Yes. As noted at bottom of http://www.zuiko.com/index_016.htm Screw on Sync Cap VE2547, Remote Socket Cap VE2553 are for E-10, E-1 and E-3. If the E-30 has these cord connectors, the caps are probably for that model too. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Jim Nichols wrote: > John, > > Are the E-3 and E-1 caps identical? I could use one for my E-1. > What is the correct number and your price for the E-1 cap? > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hermanson" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: [OM] missing E3 body part > > >> and for the record I sell all the caps. >> ___________________________________ >> John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. >> 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 >> 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com >> Olympus OM Service since 1977 >> Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html >> >> >> Ken Norton wrote: >>>> Can anyone suggest a source from which replacement screw-in-caps can be >>>> obtained? >>> >>> You might want to double-check the crevasses of your camera bags. Every >>> once in a while I rip all the dividers out of my bags and rearrange >>> everything. While doing so, I always seem to locate those missing caps >>> and >>> other miscellaneous items. I found my missing drivers license one time >>> doing that. >>> >>> AG >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 14:24:17 2009 Received: (qmail 14235 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 13:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 13:24:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD42E18198 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CCBE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F5834AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:24:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC21D34AC005 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:24:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.216.193]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KUC00FFA57EOW7J@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:23:38 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1E535D.2050303@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:23:41 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> <4B1D039B.5090200@verizon.net> <11EE6D0E-4C9D-4281-87D5-EF7BE876D6B0@people.net.au> In-reply-to: <11EE6D0E-4C9D-4281-87D5-EF7BE876D6B0@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 14:24:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e538176222517112723 When a corporation gets a colonoscopy, then it's a person. ;-) ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Andrew Fildes wrote: > Oh, that's nasty. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 08/12/2009, at 12:31 AM, John Hermanson wrote: > >> The Supreme Court is currently deciding if it should remove ALL >> restrictions on corporations. Judge Roberts (a corporate lawyer) has >> NEVER decided in favor with a person, he has always sided with a >> corporation. That will be the darkest day. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 14:27:16 2009 Received: (qmail 2549 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 13:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 13:27:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEC7E18229 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:27:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1DEE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF12C34AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:27:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8408834AC005 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:27:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.216.193]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KUC0010U5CXRQN1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:27:11 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1E5424.4010602@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:27:00 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 14:27:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e5434141989730998309 I wrote him advising him to modify his listing. That the camera was just a plastic-topped OM-30 (OM-F) worth less (worthless) than $100? Less than $50. I don't expect a response. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Andrew Fildes wrote: > Should one of us tell them? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 08/12/2009, at 8:16 AM, David Bell wrote: > >> See there is a bid on it. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 14:28:43 2009 Received: (qmail 22298 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 13:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 13:28:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC0BE18198 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EC7E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFD034AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:27:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE95D34AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:27:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10587 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 13:27:21 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 13:27:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1E5438.9000907@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:27:20 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7ac27f4f0912072027k5a36bbadi9e3c079d599c80@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0912072027k5a36bbadi9e3c079d599c80@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Strange Weather!! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 14:28:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e548b112561744846740 Send a complaint to Dr. Phil Jones at EAU. Ooops! I forgot. He's probably out of the office these days. :-) Chuck Norcutt Richard Man wrote: > Snow in Oakland / Mt. Diablo? Whoa, strange weather indeed! > > http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/StrangeWeather09 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 14:30:10 2009 Received: (qmail 3277 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 13:30:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 13:30:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC82DE1822C for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13093E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D0219E416 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:29:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F22B19E413 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:29:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:29:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so5631599fxm.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:29:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.127.29 with SMTP id e29mr1083543mun.100.1260278974822; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:29:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1DF23D.1050705@interisland.net> References: <4B1DF23D.1050705@interisland.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:29:34 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912080529r25313eafif55c16e59465005f@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 300/4.5 Tripod Mount X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 14:30:09 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e54e1278581950411718 It makes lots of things easier. I could write a book .... Wish you could get one, but I also thought if a Bogen / Manfrotto Telephoto Lens Support, like the one Gary Reese used for the Zuiko test chart we're all familiar with, could do the job as well. Fernando. 2009/12/8 Mike Lazzari : > The fact that you can so easily rotate to portrait and back makes use of > the tripod mount a no brainer for me. Also makes adding the 14xa much > easier. (And when the 4/3'rds adapter comes apart the body falls in the > dirt not the glass) :-) > > Mike > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 14:30:12 2009 Received: (qmail 18937 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 13:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 13:30:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CA6E182A1 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFFCE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:29:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81ADE34AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:29:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FF534AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:29:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:29:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11724 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 13:29:50 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 13:29:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1E54CE.40304@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:29:50 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <378E7C96-650A-45A7-8E10-F70B760D54A1@people.net.au> <4B1DC32B.4040604@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1DD80F.1040007@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1DD80F.1040007@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 14:30:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e54e41971258626592 As he explicitly stated in the caption and why I didn't mention it until someone else brought up alt. 5. Chuck Norcutt Moose wrote: > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> I liked alt 5 as well but as a landscape. That means the kid and motorbike would have to go. >> > > Seems to me Nathan has already done that, and better, this year. > > > Given his oeuvre, it seems to me this one was likely taken because of > the kid. > > Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 14:35:41 2009 Received: (qmail 4804 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 13:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 13:35:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CD1E1819D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:35:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47971E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF7C19E444 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:35:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E44C19E440 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:35:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15195 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 13:35:28 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 13:35:28 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1E561F.1060608@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:35:27 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 14:35:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e562d86321744846740 No, I don't think they've taken away the free ride. As Bill stated the free ride is only for auctions below $25. If you've previously gotten apparently free auctions above $25 it just means you had some bid points in your kitty. You've now used them up or didn't have enough for your >$25 bid and have to replenish them. I did this once that I can recall... I think a couple of years now. They've lasted for a long time. Chuck Norcutt ClassicVW@aol.com wrote: > esnipe was free for me for years and years too, and then just this week > they wouldn't let me bid, saying I needed to purchase bid points. It appears > that, for me at least, they took away the free ride. > > George > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 12/7/2009 10:48:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > olympus-request@thomasclausen.net writes: > > In a message dated 12/7/2009 6:32:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, > chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com writes: > > I was one of the very early users of esnipe and am grandfathered-in such > that most auctions for me are free. > > > > > Yep, me too. Well, actually the ones less than $25 are free if I recall > > correctly. Bill Barber > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 14:37:06 2009 Received: (qmail 15493 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 13:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 13:37:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45BBE181CD for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACF9E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E7634AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:36:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3985834AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:36:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([unknown] [173.54.180.225]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KUC00MJ35SHS494@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:36:18 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1E5650.9000004@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:36:16 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> In-reply-to: <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 14:37:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e5682221541879814018 Piers Hemy wrote: > So he is, but he did choose the subject "... and shoot", which I believe is > a popular American English exclamation, a euphemism for excrement. Just > desserts? > I is amurkin but ain't never heared "shoot" used thataway. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 14:38:38 2009 Received: (qmail 25468 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 13:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 13:38:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5300EE182A6 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A184CE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9C919E44F for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:37:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0935219E44D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:37:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16351 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 13:37:30 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Grokking The Trees X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 14:38:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e56de48181950411718 She's a little off-balance to lift it. :-) Chuck Norcutt Mike Lazzari wrote: > http://www.interisland.net/watershed/mike/W%20OR/Jun09/treehugger9725.jpg > > Last summer in Corvalis -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 14:44:23 2009 Received: (qmail 5026 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 13:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 13:44:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB5EE1822B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:44:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62764E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550B134AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:44:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33F934AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:44:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:44:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20534 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 13:44:16 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 14:44:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e5837170942517112723 When my two kids were very young teens my wife used to say that there should be some place where their like can be sent until they're about 16 and have decided to return to the human race. :-) Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: I do prefer to deal with the young when > they are over 15 years old. At that age their intellects are > brightshinynew - and they can actually use them if they see fit. > > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 14:46:24 2009 Received: (qmail 4732 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 13:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 13:46:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE79E1819A for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:46:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3864E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954A219E49F for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:45:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0437919E465 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:45:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NI0N8-0006c6-V3 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:44:59 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com><4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <4B1E5650.9000004@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:44:55 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4B1E5650.9000004@verizon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acp4C4cYVHcX4Wg2SQK8IR8Cu7PzDQAANKGg X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091207-0, 07/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 14:46:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e58b02641006886880 "Well, shoot, who would've thought of that" is a usage I have heard many a time from your countrymen, Russ. Piers -----Original Message----- From: Russ Butler [mailto:rbinnj@verizon.net] Sent: 08 December 2009 13:36 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot Piers Hemy wrote: > So he is, but he did choose the subject "... and shoot", which I > believe is a popular American English exclamation, a euphemism for > excrement. Just desserts? > I is amurkin but ain't never heared "shoot" used thataway. -- Russ Butler (NJ USA) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 14:47:53 2009 Received: (qmail 2452 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 13:47:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 13:47:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE9AE18279 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:47:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66645E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:46:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5389A19E49F for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:46:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D7E19E465 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:46:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21942 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 13:46:26 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 14:47:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e5909127951073733319 Maybe a shill bid? Chuck Norcutt SwissPace wrote: > I think someone should, my brothers ebay account got stolen and I saved > some chaps a fortune on some false tickets they were bidding on and > they were very gratefull, the cheeky git who stole it then offered to > buy the account. Mind you it does make one wonder who would bid on it > as the 3Ti is a rare beast and anyone who would bid would surely know > what one looked like. > > > > On 08/12/2009 10:03, Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Can we contact the bidder - or shall we caveat emptor? >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 14:52:16 2009 Received: (qmail 237 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 13:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 13:52:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B09E18199 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17820E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:52:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056D419E4D7 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:52:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03D719E4D4 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:52:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:52:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so4433579bwz.30 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:52:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.155.92 with SMTP id r28mr737043bkw.121.1260280326536; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:52:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7D22E760-80BE-4269-8FC5-8CE6FD7BD6F9@people.net.au> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <7D22E760-80BE-4269-8FC5-8CE6FD7BD6F9@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:52:06 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912080552j73035e74wff3adb79fa124fb2@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 14:52:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e5a10166244877110844 I'll second that Andrew. Charlie On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I think it's time for a dunny/outhose challenge - a TOPE perhaps. > There is a 'long drop' in a remote area around here somewhere that > would make a chilling contribution. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 08/12/2009, at 8:48 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > > >> > >> I've never been anywhere in the US where the term "toilet" would be > >> considered vulgar; that's a bit harsh; unusual would be a better > >> description. Polite terms commonly heard in the States are: Mens/ > >> Ladies > >> Room, Restroom, Bathroom, Lavatory. On the vulgar side would be > >> shitter, > >> crapper. Fairly neutral would be Head. > >> > > > > > > I recently came across "Relief Station". > > > > Cold? Did somebody say cold? Cold is a brass toilet seat in the > > Yukon. > > > > THAT'S COLD. > > > > AG > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 15:04:06 2009 Received: (qmail 30744 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 14:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 14:04:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8589DE18212 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:04:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A241FE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D41819E528 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:03:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D03D19E509 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:03:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so4442045bwz.30 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:03:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.152.154 with SMTP id g26mr996018bkw.54.1260281034638; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:03:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1E5830.9090800@chucknorcutt.com> References: <378E7C96-650A-45A7-8E10-F70B760D54A1@people.net.au> <4B1DD6EB.3090508@gmail.com> <37E0D2A4-1311-44A7-8B03-F6C6BC1F1BF7@people.net.au> <4B1E5830.9090800@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:03:54 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912080603i4f52c852u6878e23c4e8cdb1c@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 15:04:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e5cd6145581234514069 Er...16? Push it back a few years Chuck. Charlie On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > When my two kids were very young teens my wife used to say that there > should be some place where their like can be sent until they're about 16 > and have decided to return to the human race. :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Andrew Fildes wrote: > I do prefer to deal with the young when > > they are over 15 years old. At that age their intellects are > > brightshinynew - and they can actually use them if they see fit. > > > > Andrew Fildes > > afildes@people.net.au > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 15:06:23 2009 Received: (qmail 1104 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 14:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 14:06:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D673E18236 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1BBE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFF734AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:06:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DC134AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:06:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so4443852bwz.30 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:06:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.152.154 with SMTP id g26mr999290bkw.54.1260281175278; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:06:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1E5650.9000004@verizon.net> References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <4B1E5650.9000004@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:06:15 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912080606j7db16e6ele7ff98e13670ab05@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 15:06:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e5d5f30221220213263 Russ, I believe what Piers meant was that "shoot" is used in place of "shit", not that it means shit. Charlie (transmogrifier of Brit Think) On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Russ Butler wrote: > Piers Hemy wrote: > > So he is, but he did choose the subject "... and shoot", which I believe > is > > a popular American English exclamation, a euphemism for excrement. Just > > desserts? > > > > I is amurkin but ain't never heared "shoot" used thataway. > > > -- > Russ Butler (NJ USA) > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 15:07:03 2009 Received: (qmail 25142 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 14:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 14:07:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29288E18244 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:07:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D44E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDACB19E553 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:06:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B3C19E583 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:06:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2747455ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:06:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.13 with SMTP id d13mr88788wef.130.1260281215056; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:06:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <4B1E5650.9000004@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:06:55 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912080606l6e33131bk23033764b57db7d1@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 15:07:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e5d87116687801554290 On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Piers Hemy wrote: > "Well, shoot, who would've thought of that" is a usage I have heard many a > time from your countrymen, Russ. I suppose it's a euphemism, like "heck" "darn" etc. Never used for the real thing though. Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 15:07:59 2009 Received: (qmail 25187 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 14:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 14:07:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9676BE1822D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C86BE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8DD19E532 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:07:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0689F19E554 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:07:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (rbinnj@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:07:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([173.54.180.225]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KUC0058X78P8Y3T@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:07:38 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1E5DA8.5010801@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:07:36 -0500 From: Russ Butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com><4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <4B1E5650.9000004@verizon.net> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 15:07:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e5dbf204731342116753 Oops. You're right of course. My only defense is that "shoot" is used so frequently here in the US that I forgot that it IS a substitute for sh*t. Piers Hemy wrote: > "Well, shoot, who would've thought of that" is a usage I have heard many a > time from your countrymen, Russ. > > Piers -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 15:35:28 2009 Received: (qmail 19796 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 14:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 14:35:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08442E1824E for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881CCE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7865B34AC027 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:35:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BBA34AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:35:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so5693800fxm.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:35:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.165 with SMTP id t37mr877034hbt.75.1260282920361; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:35:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0912080603i4f52c852u6878e23c4e8cdb1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <378E7C96-650A-45A7-8E10-F70B760D54A1@people.net.au> <4B1DD6EB.3090508@gmail.com> <37E0D2A4-1311-44A7-8B03-F6C6BC1F1BF7@people.net.au> <4B1E5830.9090800@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0912080603i4f52c852u6878e23c4e8cdb1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:35:20 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d11d3579991f6303 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 15:35:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e6430276324877110844 > > Er...16? Push it back a few years Chuck. Hmm. I'm 43 and still haven't cleared the teens. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 15:41:22 2009 Received: (qmail 14832 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 14:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 14:41:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7E3E181A8 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:41:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B5FE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E927119E6BB for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:41:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC7319E6C0 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:41:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.80) for ; 09 Dec 2009 01:41:14 +1100 Message-ID: <100.c00f0d007e651e4b.001@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:41:02 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <4B1E58B2.7080404@chucknorcutt.com> References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> <4B1D9C9D.8020601@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1E1544.7080406@spokeandsprocket.com> <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> <4B1E1804.1030604@picturepedia.org> <4B1E58B2.7080404@chucknorcutt.com> Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.48.1429) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 15:41:22 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e659268367801554290 > Maybe a shill bid? I would be mightly pissed if after all this it did turn out to be a real OM3 Ti !! It's the only body missing from my collection, I wonder why  Cheers Ian Manners Bill Gates suggests top-rated tools to bolster NT performance, get OS2 or a Mac -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 15:46:10 2009 Received: (qmail 15788 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 14:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 14:46:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03064E18277 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902D9E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:46:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAFA19E6E0 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:46:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF3319E711 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:45:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:45:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so5705113fxm.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:45:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.188.195 with SMTP id q3mr796283hbh.191.1260283558666; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:45:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1E535D.2050303@verizon.net> References: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> <4B1D039B.5090200@verizon.net> <11EE6D0E-4C9D-4281-87D5-EF7BE876D6B0@people.net.au> <4B1E535D.2050303@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:45:58 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 37bea6fa6b883cdd Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 15:46:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e66b2139841413256596 > > When a corporation gets a colonoscopy, then it's a person. ;-) I'm told that when the justice department comes knocking, you wish that it was just a colonoscopy. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 15:47:51 2009 Received: (qmail 21614 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 14:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 14:47:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C515E1824D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:47:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDED2E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E7234AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:47:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D976A34AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:47:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:47:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28911 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 14:47:27 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 15:47:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e6717214115683411216 No doubt, but "shoot" used thataway is not a euphemism for excrement. Chuck Norcutt Piers Hemy wrote: > "Well, shoot, who would've thought of that" is a usage I have heard many a > time from your countrymen, Russ. > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Russ Butler [mailto:rbinnj@verizon.net] > Sent: 08 December 2009 13:36 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot > > Piers Hemy wrote: >> So he is, but he did choose the subject "... and shoot", which I >> believe is a popular American English exclamation, a euphemism for >> excrement. Just desserts? >> > > I is amurkin but ain't never heared "shoot" used thataway. > > > -- > Russ Butler (NJ USA) > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 15:53:45 2009 Received: (qmail 23333 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 14:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 14:53:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276A8E1824C for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:53:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67418E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5365F34AC027 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:53:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CED34AC029 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:53:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 06:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32521 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 14:53:25 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 14:53:25 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1E6865.1030101@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:53:25 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com><4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <4B1E5650.9000004@verizon.net> <4B1E66FE.4070806@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1E66FE.4070806@chucknorcutt.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 15:53:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e6879158552439112457 Well, I've never considered it such but Wiki tells me I'm wrong. "Shoot, redneck term for shit or damn." Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > No doubt, but "shoot" used thataway is not a euphemism for excrement. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Piers Hemy wrote: >> "Well, shoot, who would've thought of that" is a usage I have heard many a >> time from your countrymen, Russ. >> >> Piers >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Russ Butler [mailto:rbinnj@verizon.net] >> Sent: 08 December 2009 13:36 >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot >> >> Piers Hemy wrote: >>> So he is, but he did choose the subject "... and shoot", which I >>> believe is a popular American English exclamation, a euphemism for >>> excrement. Just desserts? >>> >> I is amurkin but ain't never heared "shoot" used thataway. >> >> >> -- >> Russ Butler (NJ USA) >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 16:01:42 2009 Received: (qmail 1508 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 15:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 15:01:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC13FE18200 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A28FE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:01:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C1F34AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:01:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9035934AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:01:36 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:01:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1405643fga.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:01:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.193.137 with SMTP id j9mr787866hbi.186.1260284495232; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:01:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <100.c00f0d007e651e4b.001@comkal.net> References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> <4B1D9C9D.8020601@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1E1544.7080406@spokeandsprocket.com> <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> <4B1E1804.1030604@picturepedia.org> <4B1E58B2.7080404@chucknorcutt.com> <100.c00f0d007e651e4b.001@comkal.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:01:35 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0e9d1bd0f860674c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 16:01:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e6a5626211234514069 > > I would be mightly pissed if after all this it did turn out to be a real > OM3 Ti !! There was a part of me thinking the same thing. But to quote my second favorite movie line: "...you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?" AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 16:04:42 2009 Received: (qmail 24919 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 15:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 15:04:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E62E181CF for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:04:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4336E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F6034AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:04:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B6834AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:04:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (paganini18.register.it [81.88.48.51]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9887 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 15:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.33.65.152) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 15:04:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:04:30 +0100 Message-Id: <86A9F9E2-8A46-4D1A-A0F6-6BEEABE2CF27@frozenlight.eu> References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Ellipsis, was: Speaking of paradigms X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 16:04:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e6b0a231269730998309 I assume that the French keyboard is AZERY, which would indeed drive me nut= s. My Spanish keyboard is normal QWERTY, the only Spanish additions are the= =D1 letter, the accent key and the =BF and =A1 symbols. Otherwise, same as= my Dutch keyboard on the Powerbook. Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Yes, the French layout drove me nuts and I've heard that the Spanish = > is worse, much worse! > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > = > = > = > On 07/12/2009, at 10:09 PM, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: > = >> Then, it's just a matter of different regional layouts -- your keyboar >> should have '<' and '>' over ',' and '.' but the Spanish layout puts = >> them in >> a separate key, left from the 'z'! > = > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > = > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 16:06:28 2009 Received: (qmail 31801 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 15:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 15:06:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20B1E1824D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:06:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30999E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDAD34AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:05:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE38334AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:05:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0110.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0201.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0110.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D9F6398E7 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:05:38 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0201 Received: by dm0201.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d15b36b2) id dm0201.4b1868f0.8399d5 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:05:38 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMTtrlLHmtCu3A2bAIAAAAB,89488fc308b9de11994c15545de129b2 Message-ID: <4B1E6B42.906@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:05:38 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> <4B1D9C9D.8020601@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1E1544.7080406@spokeandsprocket.com> <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 16:06:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e6b74207601744846740 I don't think you can contact the bidder. One of the changes that eBay made is that you can no longer identify bidders on most auctions. Jim Couch Andrew Fildes wrote: > Can we contact the bidder - or shall we caveat emptor? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 08/12/2009, at 7:58 PM, Jim Couch wrote: > > >> He did not respond to my e-mail either. Looks like a fraudulent >> listing >> to me - all of his feedback is for purchases, not for sales. >> > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 16:06:33 2009 Received: (qmail 16298 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 15:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 15:06:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37380E1819A for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF71E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F0C34AC029 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:05:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4381A34AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:05:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0109.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0202.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0109.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F1C65AE0 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:05:45 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0202 Received: by dm0202.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d15b36b2) id dm0202.4b1868f2.830b70 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:05:45 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMTtrlLHmtJQjrYfAIAAAAB,a976f97b34974088c671c322cba80ec9 Message-ID: <4B1E6B49.3060005@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:05:45 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> <4B1D9C9D.8020601@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1E1544.7080406@spokeandsprocket.com> <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> <100.d0fb0100d6181e4b.017@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: <100.d0fb0100d6181e4b.017@comkal.net> Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 16:06:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e6b7956851560218263 I put a farud report in as well. Jim Couch Ian Manners wrote: > I put in a fraud report to ebay yesterday as seller had not > replied to my query on the day it was listed (a few days > earlier). > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 16:09:30 2009 Received: (qmail 9260 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 15:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 15:09:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB789E182A7 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:09:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D48E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E69D34AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:06:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A230534AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:06:57 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so4492962bwz.30 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:06:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.139.23 with SMTP id c23mr7962103bku.112.1260284816291; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:06:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> <4B1D9C9D.8020601@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1E1544.7080406@spokeandsprocket.com> <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> <4B1E1804.1030604@picturepedia.org> <4B1E58B2.7080404@chucknorcutt.com> <100.c00f0d007e651e4b.001@comkal.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:06:56 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912080706u65ce7571n890a6252b094dd34@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 16:09:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e6c2a230564877110844 Alright AG, drop the other shoe...and your favorite movie line is... Charlie On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > > > > I would be mightly pissed if after all this it did turn out to be a real > > OM3 Ti !! > > > > There was a part of me thinking the same thing. But to quote my second > favorite movie line: > "...you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, > punk?" > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 16:09:31 2009 Received: (qmail 6961 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 15:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 15:09:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F1BE1829F for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:09:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA85E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBABA19E826 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:06:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC0119E81C for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:06:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB8F6Kk3026635 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:06:20 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.c1d.76ed5fe0 (29673) for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:06:18 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:06:18 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 16:09:31 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e6c2b178256789618724 In a message dated 12/8/2009 9:01:40 A.M. Central Standard Time, ken@zone-10.com writes: But to quote my second favorite movie line: "...you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?" OK, I'll bite. What is your favorite? One of my favorites is, "You scum sucking pig." Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 16:13:03 2009 Received: (qmail 9605 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 15:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 15:13:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FDDE18053 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:13:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42880E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C50434AC027 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:12:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0772234AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:12:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.149]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so630969eyh.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.70.199 with SMTP id e7mr1065893ebj.24.1260285172519; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm4034872ewy.3.2009.12.08.07.12.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:12:51 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4B1E5438.9000907@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:12:49 +0000 Message-Id: <5ACC7A16-FA4C-4511-8E9B-D03AD52042D3@threeshoes.net> References: <7ac27f4f0912072027k5a36bbadi9e3c079d599c80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E5438.9000907@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Strange Weather!! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 16:13:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e6cff258915683411216 UEA, Chuck. You have to get your rumours right ... ;-) Chris On 8 Dec 2009, at 13:27, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Send a complaint to Dr. Phil Jones at EAU. Ooops! I forgot. He's > probably out of the office these days. :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 16:31:15 2009 Received: (qmail 18806 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 15:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 15:31:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA360E1819A for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8323E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB15519E975 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:31:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F0019E977 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:31:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (philippe.amard@sfr.fr whitelisted) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.13]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:31:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2216.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 60BA8700008C for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:31:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from Unknown-00-23-32-99-70-71.lan (86.75.91-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.91.75.86]) by msfrf2216.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C81F07000098 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:31:00 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091208153100819.C81F07000098@msfrf2216.sfr.fr Message-Id: <2531E549-FE98-43BF-AAB2-FA64FE476668@sfr.fr> From: "philippe.amard" To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <86A9F9E2-8A46-4D1A-A0F6-6BEEABE2CF27@frozenlight.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:31:00 +0100 References: <86A9F9E2-8A46-4D1A-A0F6-6BEEABE2CF27@frozenlight.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Re: [OM] Ellipsis, was: Speaking of paradigms X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 16:31:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e7143131407801554290 For the purpose of translations, I once bought an International Swiss = keyboard Olivetti providing, =E7, =E0, =E9, =E8, =EA, and the German sz, = =FC, etc. it read AQZWZERTUYOP.. Not really. But G.., it was expensive ... U$ 1,500, in 1984. Phx PS: French keyboards are AZERTYUIOP, nobody knows why they've kept = them so. Le 8 d=E9c. 09 =E0 16:04, Nathan Wajsman a =E9crit : > > I assume that the French keyboard is AZERY, which would indeed drive = > me nuts. My Spanish keyboard is normal QWERTY, the only Spanish = > additions are the =D1 letter, the accent key and the =BF and =A1 symbols.= = > Otherwise, same as my Dutch keyboard on the Powerbook. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=3Dwajsman&x=3D0&y=3D0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > On Dec 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> Yes, the French layout drove me nuts and I've heard that the Spanish >> is worse, much worse! >> Andrew Fildes >> afildes@people.net.au >> >> >> >> On 07/12/2009, at 10:09 PM, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote: >> >>> Then, it's just a matter of different regional layouts -- your = >>> keyboar >>> should have '<' and '>' over ',' and '.' but the Spanish layout puts >>> them in >>> a separate key, left from the 'z'! >> >> -- = >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > > -- = > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 16:33:18 2009 Received: (qmail 30453 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 15:33:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 15:33:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC559E181BA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2BAE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2BB19E988 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:33:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BCB19E704 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:33:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NI23i-0000SL-W2 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:33:04 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com><4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <4B1E5650.9000004@verizon.net> <4B1E66FE.4070806@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1E6865.1030101@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:33:01 -0000 Message-ID: <71AEE122E458435CBB774267C741DA6F@your9ya3hf92n3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4B1E6865.1030101@chucknorcutt.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acp4FjxQKQULH4lFQCeJ+Vf4uqHvCgABE1NA X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091208-0, 08/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 16:33:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e71be45971560218263 Curiously, Chuck, I was about to partially agree with you, in that "euphemism" may not be the most accurate descriptor of the word in the way it is used. But only partially, because I was going to follow up with the rhetorical "Well, shoot, if shit ain't excrement, what *is* that I just stepped in?" :-) And by the way, the colleague I first [over]heard using the term has a resume including Mount Holyoke College and George Washington University - "redneck" would not describe her! Piers -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] Sent: 08 December 2009 14:53 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot Well, I've never considered it such but Wiki tells me I'm wrong. "Shoot, redneck term for shit or damn." Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > No doubt, but "shoot" used thataway is not a euphemism for excrement. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Piers Hemy wrote: >> "Well, shoot, who would've thought of that" is a usage I have heard >> many a time from your countrymen, Russ. >> >> Piers >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Russ Butler [mailto:rbinnj@verizon.net] >> Sent: 08 December 2009 13:36 >> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >> Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot >> >> Piers Hemy wrote: >>> So he is, but he did choose the subject "... and shoot", which I >>> believe is a popular American English exclamation, a euphemism for >>> excrement. Just desserts? >>> >> I is amurkin but ain't never heared "shoot" used thataway. >> >> >> -- >> Russ Butler (NJ USA) >> >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 16:36:00 2009 Received: (qmail 14735 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 15:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 15:36:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB73BE182F4 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:35:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72F5E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5EDE34AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:34:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F44134AC025 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:34:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NI24n-0000SK-IB for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:34:09 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1NI24m-00015j-TF for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:34:08 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1E71F5.7060008@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:34:13 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <86A9F9E2-8A46-4D1A-A0F6-6BEEABE2CF27@frozenlight.eu> <2531E549-FE98-43BF-AAB2-FA64FE476668@sfr.fr> In-Reply-To: <2531E549-FE98-43BF-AAB2-FA64FE476668@sfr.fr> Subject: Re: [OM] Ellipsis, was: Speaking of paradigms X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 16:36:00 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e7260262011342116753 philippe.amard wrote: > > Phx > PS: French keyboards are AZERTYUIOP, nobody knows why they've kept > them so. > Waiting for the rest of us to catch up..? ;-) D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 16:37:05 2009 Received: (qmail 27180 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 15:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 15:37:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104CEE181D6 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFADE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34FA19E9D4 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:36:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDB619E9D1 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:36:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4101 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 15:36:56 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 16:37:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e72a1197901220213263 Oh, I think my rumor is more than correct despite my typo. :-) Chuck Norcutt Chris Barker wrote: > UEA, Chuck. You have to get your rumours right ... ;-) > > Chris > > On 8 Dec 2009, at 13:27, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Send a complaint to Dr. Phil Jones at EAU. Ooops! I forgot. He's >> probably out of the office these days. :-) > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 16:41:04 2009 Received: (qmail 3786 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 15:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 15:41:03 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68813E18199 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:41:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D9BE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:40:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC2319EA0B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:40:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E770319E9F7 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:40:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7934 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 15:40:55 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091208-0, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 16:41:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e7390166416789618724 I use it myself and certainly wouldn't consider myself a redneck but I accept that it's origins may well spring from there. Chuck Norcutt Piers Hemy wrote: > Curiously, Chuck, I was about to partially agree with you, in that > "euphemism" may not be the most accurate descriptor of the word in the way > it is used. But only partially, because I was going to follow up with the > rhetorical "Well, shoot, if shit ain't excrement, what *is* that I just > stepped in?" :-) > > And by the way, the colleague I first [over]heard using the term has a > resume including Mount Holyoke College and George Washington University - > "redneck" would not describe her! > > Piers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] > Sent: 08 December 2009 14:53 > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot > > Well, I've never considered it such but Wiki tells me I'm wrong. > "Shoot, redneck term for shit or damn." > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> No doubt, but "shoot" used thataway is not a euphemism for excrement. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> Piers Hemy wrote: >>> "Well, shoot, who would've thought of that" is a usage I have heard >>> many a time from your countrymen, Russ. >>> >>> Piers >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Russ Butler [mailto:rbinnj@verizon.net] >>> Sent: 08 December 2009 13:36 >>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion >>> Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot >>> >>> Piers Hemy wrote: >>>> So he is, but he did choose the subject "... and shoot", which I >>>> believe is a popular American English exclamation, a euphemism for >>>> excrement. Just desserts? >>>> >>> I is amurkin but ain't never heared "shoot" used thataway. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Russ Butler (NJ USA) >>> >>> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 16:52:30 2009 Received: (qmail 11119 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 15:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 15:52:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC16E1824D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBE8E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC8219EAA2 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:51:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0904619EA9D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:51:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (classicvw@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB8FpUhL025278 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:51:31 -0500 Received: from ClassicVW@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.d46.4f91cca4 (14457) for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:51:25 -0500 (EST) From: ClassicVW@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:46:31 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5006 X-AOL-SENDER: ClassicVW@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Hello again everyone! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 16:52:30 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e763e205201006886880 Hello again everyone! I've been lurking here a short while.... It's hard to believe that I was away for four years, ( In a self-imposed exile to Leica land ) but that's over now and I'm getting back to using my beloved OMs. I'm very very glad to see that the group is still together. I always felt this was a special place with special people and still do. No other place like it, that's for sure. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Are you still here, George? Long time no hear! Piers Wow! A blast from the past. It's something like five years since you've posted? How you doing? Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 16:59:29 2009 Received: (qmail 31947 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 15:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 15:59:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6750AE18212 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A367EE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E9834AC026 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:58:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538AF34AC007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:58:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian.a.nichols@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f191.google.com (mail-yw0-f191.google.com [209.85.211.191]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh29 with SMTP id 29so5799940ywh.32 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:58:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.149.3 with SMTP id b3mr6623704ano.115.1260287896694; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:58:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1E5438.9000907@chucknorcutt.com> References: <7ac27f4f0912072027k5a36bbadi9e3c079d599c80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E5438.9000907@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:58:16 +0000 Message-ID: From: Ian Nichols To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Strange Weather!! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 16:59:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e77e1241391612113968 2009/12/8 Chuck Norcutt : > Send a complaint to Dr. Phil Jones at EAU. =A0Ooops! =A0I forgot. =A0He's > probably out of the office these days. :-) On the subject of which, I believe this is worth watching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7nnVQ2fROOg -- = Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember: when the emperor looks naked, the emperor *is* naked, the truth and a lie are not "sort-of the same thing" and there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza. -Daria Morgendorffer -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 17:07:24 2009 Received: (qmail 2226 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 16:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 16:07:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70031E18236 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD66AE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:07:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40AC34AC02A for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:07:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2CE34AC028 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:07:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so5795495fxm.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:07:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.204 with SMTP id u12mr755835hbu.81.1260288436509; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:07:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1E71F5.7060008@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <86A9F9E2-8A46-4D1A-A0F6-6BEEABE2CF27@frozenlight.eu> <2531E549-FE98-43BF-AAB2-FA64FE476668@sfr.fr> <4B1E71F5.7060008@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:07:16 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6dad0e77e1c4e6ce Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Ellipsis, was: Speaking of paradigms X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 17:07:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e79bc34021879814018 And I thought learning how to type on the Dvorak keyboard was a trip. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 17:09:19 2009 Received: (qmail 20208 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 16:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 16:09:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC95E18236 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:09:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BE9E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BC519EB97 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:09:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BE519EB8D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:09:08 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:09:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so5797472fxm.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:09:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.190.69 with SMTP id w5mr892640hbh.143.1260288547246; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:09:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:09:07 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 911ee37ebbb958af Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Hello again everyone! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 17:09:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e7a2f227407801554290 > > Hello again everyone! I've been lurking here a short while.... It's hard > to believe that I was away for four years, ( In a self-imposed exile to > Leica land ) but that's over now and I'm getting back to using my beloved > OMs. > I'm very very glad to see that the group is still together. I always felt > this was a special place with special people and still do. No other place > like it, that's for sure. > Welcome back, George!!!! You've been missed. Are you still shooting the Leicas or did you get that out of your systems? Funny thing, that more of us are going Leica these days. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 17:25:49 2009 Received: (qmail 3159 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 16:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 16:25:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBADCE181B9 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:25:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31944E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A11519EC33 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:25:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BCB19EC53 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:25:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:25:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16018 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 16:25:41 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 16:25:41 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1E7E05.5020508@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:25:41 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091208-0, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Hello again everyone! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 17:25:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e7e0d284033900897491 I should have looked more closely to see that it was the ClassicVW George when I responded. Welcome back! Chuck Norcutt ClassicVW@aol.com wrote: > Hello again everyone! I've been lurking here a short while.... It's hard > to believe that I was away for four years, ( In a self-imposed exile to > Leica land ) but that's over now and I'm getting back to using my beloved OMs. > I'm very very glad to see that the group is still together. I always felt > this was a special place with special people and still do. No other place > like it, that's for sure. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Are you still here, George? Long time no hear! > > Piers > > Wow! A blast from the past. It's something like five years since you've > posted? > > How you doing? > > Moose > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 17:55:42 2009 Received: (qmail 4683 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 16:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 16:55:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EBAE1824E for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299DCE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:55:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1221819ED9D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:55:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB6719EDA7 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:55:33 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so5848515fxm.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:55:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.138.34 with SMTP id n34mr816070hbn.64.1260291331974; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:55:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0912080706u65ce7571n890a6252b094dd34@mail.gmail.com> References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <54842C7C3DDC48C98B0DDDD9FB5A54C3@user4fec106f50> <4B1D9C9D.8020601@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1E1544.7080406@spokeandsprocket.com> <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> <4B1E1804.1030604@picturepedia.org> <4B1E58B2.7080404@chucknorcutt.com> <100.c00f0d007e651e4b.001@comkal.net> <14883a8b0912080706u65ce7571n890a6252b094dd34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:55:31 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1a61e2a12adf320e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 17:55:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e850e113545368819438 > > Alright AG, drop the other shoe...and your favorite movie line is... Oh, come on. What's the fun in revealing that secret? Hmm... What I'll say is that this particular movie had several amazingly good quotes--all but one by Sean Connery. As to TV show quotes, I'd think that it would be head-slapping obvious. AG Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 18:36:28 2009 Received: (qmail 30834 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 17:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 17:36:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEE8E181AE for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:36:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0952CE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:36:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20A93610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:36:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDB73610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:36:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jfwilcox@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:36:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2985183ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:36:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.144 with SMTP id y16mr2846273wee.95.1260293768795; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:36:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:36:08 -0600 Message-ID: <9e908c1f0912080936y74acdf93r4fc7da7fc269d6f5@mail.gmail.com> From: Joel Wilcox To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 18:36:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e8e9c245581220213263 On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:06 AM, wrote: > One of my favorites is, "You scum sucking pig." "You gob of spit" (Rio [Marlon Brando] to jailer [Slim Pickens] in "One-Eyed Jacks") Joel W. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 18:41:52 2009 Received: (qmail 14072 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 17:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 17:41:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F27E18199 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C584CE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:41:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8D919F027 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:41:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65D919EFC9 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:41:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:41:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2991443ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.104.5 with SMTP id m5mr9173914ebo.40.1260294088414; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm4116582ewy.11.2009.12.08.09.41.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:41:27 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:41:25 +0000 In-Reply-To: <9e908c1f0912070902t725001a9w36d5c14dc58d978f@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <9e908c1f0912070902t725001a9w36d5c14dc58d978f@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 04/12/2009: through my office window X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 18:41:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e8fe0271971234514069 No, Joel, I'm only early 50s ... Chris :-) On 7 Dec 2009, at 17:02, Joel Wilcox wrote: > Oh Chris, you're so late-90's. ;^) > > Joel W. > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Chris Barker wrote: >> Not bad, as you say :-) >> >> But I am sorry to see that you face the same daily torture as I do: Outlook and other M$ ghastliness ... ;-) >> >> Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 18:43:05 2009 Received: (qmail 31674 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 17:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 17:43:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17014E1824E for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A4AE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA2019F02C for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:42:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCAF19F038 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:42:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2992741ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:42:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.109.86 with SMTP id i22mr8966552ebp.20.1260294160232; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm4116134ewy.3.2009.12.08.09.42.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:42:39 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:42:37 +0000 In-Reply-To: <3131BD05-8629-4633-90A9-12FF630AB077@sfr.fr> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <3131BD05-8629-4633-90A9-12FF630AB077@sfr.fr> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Angels - 16 X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 18:43:05 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e9029147932013633067 Yes, that's a cool angel. Chris On 8 Dec 2009, at 07:24, philippe.amard wrote: > Thank you all for your feedback on Angel #15. > > Angel 16 is now up. > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Angels/Engelberg-Angels-16-1130839.jpg.html -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 18:44:48 2009 Received: (qmail 21145 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 17:44:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 17:44:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4C0E18199 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:44:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C33E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1905D19EE63 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:44:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2966119EC8E for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:44:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2994868ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:44:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.104.78 with SMTP id n14mr7079173ebo.98.1260294272461; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm4117026ewy.3.2009.12.08.09.44.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:44:30 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:44:27 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4B1DE99F.8090105@picturepedia.org> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1DE99F.8090105@picturepedia.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Week 49 Few Fotos For Fun X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 18:44:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e9090248431612113968 Thanks, Ian. I like the angels in the market. Chris On 8 Dec 2009, at 05:52, SwissPace wrote: > Sadly I didn't manage to keep the enthusiasm for posting a few fun fotos > a week this year, but then as the project is supposed to be about fun > rather than making it a chore I guess its ok for photography to take a > back seat whilst more pressing tasks dominated. > > Here are a few fotos from last week. > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 18:45:28 2009 Received: (qmail 1306 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 17:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 17:45:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB4DE18255 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896F5E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:45:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD513610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:45:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08C43610005 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:45:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so4649222bwz.30 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:45:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.5.66 with SMTP id 2mr5506616bku.198.1260294308326; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:45:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <100.583e0f0006031a4b.002@comkal.net> <4B1D9C9D.8020601@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1E1544.7080406@spokeandsprocket.com> <965D88CB-0EA7-4F64-9CD3-06FFE8313C81@people.net.au> <4B1E1804.1030604@picturepedia.org> <4B1E58B2.7080404@chucknorcutt.com> <100.c00f0d007e651e4b.001@comkal.net> <14883a8b0912080706u65ce7571n890a6252b094dd34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:45:08 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912080945h5e32780eu72f70283c321a39a@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 18:45:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e90b8109576107113666 Hmmmm...Connery...perhaps something about collar matching the cuffs? CJG On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Ken Norton wrote: > > > > Alright AG, drop the other shoe...and your favorite movie line is... > > > > Oh, come on. What's the fun in revealing that secret? Hmm... What I'll say > is that this particular movie had several amazingly good quotes--all but > one > by Sean Connery. > > As to TV show quotes, I'd think that it would be head-slapping obvious. > > AG Schnozz > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 18:56:44 2009 Received: (qmail 26064 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 17:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 17:56:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD53E1824E for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78554E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:56:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BBA719F081 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:56:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5200819F084 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:56:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3008704ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.97.30 with SMTP id j30mr3219180ebn.94.1260294960989; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm502608ewy.6.2009.12.08.09.55.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:55:59 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:55:57 +0000 Message-Id: <76C7D370-1B92-4FA4-9D6C-65A70E4444DA@threeshoes.net> References: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 18:56:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e935c285989730998309 That's me, Dawid. It would be the scenery that I should visit RSA for. But I'm not that keen on flying airlines any longer ... ... I fly for a living (little machines, now) but a) I don't like the airport experience now, b) I don't like the effect on the planet. I've flown airlines pretty well all my life as I have lived away from the UK. When I used to come to the UK for school from wherever my home was I really enjoyed the flying experience. But now it is almost hell on earth to go through the check-in, security, scramble for a seat mangle. Chris On 8 Dec 2009, at 08:50, Dawid Loubser wrote: > .) not soccer fans? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 18:57:38 2009 Received: (qmail 19278 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 17:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 17:57:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F93E18247 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:57:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021D4E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:57:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D2019F098 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:57:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F83819F08B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:57:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:57:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3010327ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.50.9 with SMTP id x9mr13925001ebf.38.1260295050261; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm503317ewy.6.2009.12.08.09.57.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:57:29 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <9E7EFE1A-CD25-4FAA-89BF-55AB1670BF5D@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:57:28 +0000 Message-Id: <0EFFD4C3-314E-4B7F-9AD4-E2D392E45301@threeshoes.net> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <1020CDA6-2173-41D3-843C-27E5484E2EA2@threeshoes.net> <9E7EFE1A-CD25-4FAA-89BF-55AB1670BF5D@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 18:57:38 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e9392322291258626592 Yes, I suppose you're right, Andrew. But then I prefer English euphemisms ... Chris On 7 Dec 2009, at 21:07, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Toilet originally means a place where you tidy yourself up to face the > day. Shitheap? Well, if that's where you choose to sqat... Dunny, from > old English or Scots dialect 'dunnekin' has always and only ever a > shitter - traditionally out the back of the house somewhere. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 18:59:18 2009 Received: (qmail 6136 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 17:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 17:59:17 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE08E181AE for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:59:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05331E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D2919F0A6 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:58:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4566B19F098 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:58:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:58:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3011733ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:58:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.100.217 with SMTP id z25mr10657882ebn.88.1260295125392; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm4110384ewy.8.2009.12.08.09.58.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:58:44 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:58:43 +0000 Message-Id: <9140B98C-41AF-4388-BDC3-A38FD3DD52E8@threeshoes.net> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 18:59:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e93f6244561006886880 Yes, I found that odd, when I was there. But then that was nearly 20 years ago. Chris On 7 Dec 2009, at 21:16, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I understand that 'toilet' is considered quite vulgar there although > not in Europe, despite its rather elegant origins. 'Men's Room' is > just dreadful. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 19:00:23 2009 Received: (qmail 26234 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 18:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 18:00:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5624CE18244 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE36E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF303610008 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:00:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C8C3610006 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:00:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3013049ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.110.9 with SMTP id l9mr8961860ebp.14.1260295201089; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:00:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm4101556ewy.10.2009.12.08.10.00.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:00:00 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:59:59 +0000 Message-Id: References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 19:00:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e9437276181357919056 Except in the military, perhaps, Charles. It invites hoots of lascivious laughter in the USAF. Chris On 7 Dec 2009, at 21:30, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Fairly neutral would be Head. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 19:01:50 2009 Received: (qmail 31186 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 18:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 18:01:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C0BE18245 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324B2E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201BD19F078 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:01:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C3319F005 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:01:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.148]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so666298eyh.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.24.9 with SMTP id t9mr8989913ebb.4.1260295301307; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm42277ewy.5.2009.12.08.10.01.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:01:39 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <7D22E760-80BE-4269-8FC5-8CE6FD7BD6F9@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:01:36 +0000 Message-Id: <833253DA-E5E7-4A17-B468-68E7C6A74D43@threeshoes.net> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <7D22E760-80BE-4269-8FC5-8CE6FD7BD6F9@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 19:01:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e948d38345368819438 My brother is about to move to a part of Bulgaria where flush toilets are a rarity. We have just been discussing the benefits of a "long drop" over a compost. :-) Chris On 7 Dec 2009, at 22:22, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I think it's time for a dunny/outhose challenge - a TOPE perhaps. > There is a 'long drop' in a remote area around here somewhere that > would make a chilling contribution. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 19:03:23 2009 Received: (qmail 23099 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 18:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 18:03:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370A2E18245 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF864E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BBE3610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:03:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323303610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:03:16 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3016719ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.110.14 with SMTP id l14mr16251524ebp.82.1260295392597; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:03:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? 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I particularly like the choice of format. Have you updated to v2 firmware, Nathan? Chris On 8 Dec 2009, at 11:45, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I don't think the pics I have been showing, made with the LX3, are THAT bad! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 19:08:42 2009 Received: (qmail 12373 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 18:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 18:08:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF89E18236 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEA2E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:08:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127DB3610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:08:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929C03610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:08:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:08:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3022503ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.24.12 with SMTP id t12mr8025262ebb.70.1260295711486; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm4115485ewy.4.2009.12.08.10.08.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:08:30 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:08:29 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7ac27f4f0912072027k5a36bbadi9e3c079d599c80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E5438.9000907@chucknorcutt.com> Message-Id: <380D3A37-1FD5-4E5B-B022-DF47D6EC3660@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Strange Weather!! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 19:08:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e962a215251560218263 Yes, that says it rather well. There was no fraud ... Chris On 8 Dec 2009, at 15:58, Ian Nichols wrote: > 2009/12/8 Chuck Norcutt : >> Send a complaint to Dr. Phil Jones at EAU. Ooops! I forgot. He's >> probably out of the office these days. :-) > > On the subject of which, I believe this is worth watching. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg > > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 19:09:29 2009 Received: (qmail 6932 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 18:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 18:09:28 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6370DE1824D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:09:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77037E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D9F19F122 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:09:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6279119F11D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:09:22 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:09:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so4670158bwz.30 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:09:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.20 with SMTP id t20mr8956466bkb.141.1260295760336; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:09:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:09:19 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 19:09:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e965983021220213263 Chris what do the fly boys call it? I've never heard it called anything in the big jets. In the small ones I suppose its a diaper or "just wait".?! Charlie On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > Except in the military, perhaps, Charles. It invites hoots of lascivious > laughter in the USAF. > > Chris > > On 7 Dec 2009, at 21:30, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > > > Fairly neutral would be Head. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 19:11:08 2009 Received: (qmail 31355 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 18:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 18:11:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1734E18244 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F62E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E360A19F126 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:10:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686B819F119 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:10:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3024855ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.96.223 with SMTP id i31mr2518556ebn.57.1260295840169; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm4119724ewy.1.2009.12.08.10.10.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:10:39 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:10:38 +0000 Message-Id: <37702A8B-127D-437F-AFB6-F87622054BE0@threeshoes.net> References: To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Hello again everyone! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 19:11:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e96bc11501234514069 Hello again, George! Welcome back, chum. Chris On 8 Dec 2009, at 15:46, ClassicVW@aol.com wrote: > Hello again everyone! I've been lurking here a short while.... It's hard > to believe that I was away for four years, ( In a self-imposed exile to > Leica land ) but that's over now and I'm getting back to using my beloved OMs. > I'm very very glad to see that the group is still together. I always felt > this was a special place with special people and still do. No other place > like it, that's for sure. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 19:35:37 2009 Received: (qmail 16024 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 18:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 18:35:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30206E1829D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:35:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CC3E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB9019F1F9 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:33:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E700219F1F0 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:33:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp07.register.it [81.88.48.57]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14255 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 18:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.33.65.152) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 18:33:20 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <3648F0D9-D702-4BFF-855B-4C8B4B1647C8@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:33:19 +0100 Message-Id: <05BA7147-CB53-4BC8-A76E-815B243F2B45@frozenlight.eu> References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <034A7BAC-88FF-40B9-8B35-9A6858AB0731@frozenlight.eu> <841E753F-C5B5-4EAC-A7EF-4F2031E0FE4D@people.net.au> <3648F0D9-D702-4BFF-855B-4C8B4B1647C8@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 19:35:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e9c79148411342116753 Yes, I have updated the firmware, and yes, I love the 16:9 format. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 8, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > No. And I really like the product of my LX3. I particularly like the choice of format. Have you updated to v2 firmware, Nathan? > > Chris > > On 8 Dec 2009, at 11:45, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >> I don't think the pics I have been showing, made with the LX3, are THAT bad! > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 19:35:37 2009 Received: (qmail 980 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 18:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 18:35:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C21E1822D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FBEE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970663610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:29:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA353610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:29:28 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wiliam@online.nl whitelisted) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (smtp02.online.nl [194.134.41.32]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADDFA08B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:29:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailstore06.back.prod.mail.online.nl (mailstore06.back.prod.mail.online.nl [10.160.210.106]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:29:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:29:27 +0100 (CET) From: wiliam Wagenaar To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: <1308712587.1278141260296967007.JavaMail.root@mailstore06> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [10.160.210.126] X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp02.online.nl) Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 19:35:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e9c79131785368819438 I would have never mixed you up with Dirt Harry..... ....Until now ;-) Wiliam Ken Norton wrote: -- There was a part of me thinking the same thing. But to quote my second favorite movie line: "...you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?" AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 19:35:43 2009 Received: (qmail 11053 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 18:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 18:35:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F23E182A7 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9967E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D03819F1E4 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:30:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D012C19F1D5 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:30:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3048163ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.103.83 with SMTP id j19mr16285950ebo.30.1260297048665; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm57219ewy.5.2009.12.08.10.30.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:30:48 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:30:46 +0000 Message-Id: <61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: [OM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 19:35:43 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1e9c7f13256107113666 For the aircraft which have it, Charles, it's just a toilet. In smaller, faster machines it's a pee bag or something like "relief system". I've only used it once, in the F16. Story: switch off now if you get bored easily. My first ever long-range trip, using a USAF Reserves KC-135 to get 5 F16s from MacDill AFB, FL to NAS Miramar near San Diego. I felt the need to pee after a couple of hours, perhaps over Texas. So I broke the membrane on a pee bag and tried to use it. But the little fighter's seat is inclined at 30deg (vs the 13deg of most other ejection seats) and I'm not well-endowed enough to make the flow from leaning backwards like that. So I have to unstrap and lean forward a bit. But also it's cold in the cockpit and a limp dick becomes quite difficult to find. So you have to think warm thoughts to make it all happen! What is also difficult is holding formation with a tanker while trying to find your willie in a flight suit strapped into an ejection seat. So I wandered away from the formation and almost couldn't find them when I had finished my business. But that was preferable to a USAF colleague's experience. Before we departed MacDill he showed me a pee tube affair that he had rigged up: a funnel over said willie, tube-connected to a pee bag in his lower flight suit pocket. Trouble was it leaked ... and he got out of his super-cool F16 on the ramp at Fightertown USA with a long wet patch on his flight suit leg and crotch, risking great scorn from our Naval hosts. Oh, the ignominy! And this is a photo of me in a D-model (2-seater) just before departing Miramar. I think it was taken with an Olympus Infinity Twin, bought in San Diego a few days before. http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100053 Chris On 8 Dec 2009, at 18:09, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Chris what do the fly boys call it? I've never heard it called anything in > the big jets. In the small ones I suppose its a diaper or "just wait".?! > > Charlie -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 20:10:40 2009 Received: (qmail 22734 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 19:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 19:10:39 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF9BE1822B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7901BE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:10:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6519119F437 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:10:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8056219F436 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:10:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so4720315bwz.30 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:10:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.162.210 with SMTP id w18mr9127625bkx.174.1260299429809; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:10:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com> <61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:10:29 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912081110j65fe7729g147e95c41ab81728@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 20:10:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ea4b0114831073733319 Good story Chris and a cool photo. I just about needed a pee bag at my office chair laughing at your description. Perhaps a suggestion for your next long flight in a small plane; something used often in the hospital on older, immobile men: the condom catheter. It is a heavy duty condom with a built-in tube. The condom grabs the willie like a toothless bulldog so no leaks. When you are done just roll it off. My poor Uncle has used one for years with great success (back injury from helicopter crash off carrier flight deck back in the '60's; rotor clipped something and into the drink she went; lucky to be alive). Congratulations to the List! We've managed to cover both forms of human elimination in one day. Things can only improve. Charlie On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > For the aircraft which have it, Charles, it's just a toilet. In smaller, > faster machines it's a pee bag or something like "relief system". I've only > used it once, in the F16. > > Story: switch off now if you get bored easily. > > My first ever long-range trip, using a USAF Reserves KC-135 to get 5 F16s > from MacDill AFB, FL to NAS Miramar near San Diego. I felt the need to pee > after a couple of hours, perhaps over Texas. So I broke the membrane on a > pee bag and tried to use it. But the little fighter's seat is inclined at > 30deg (vs the 13deg of most other ejection seats) and I'm not well-endowed > enough to make the flow from leaning backwards like that. So I have to > unstrap and lean forward a bit. But also it's cold in the cockpit and a > limp dick becomes quite difficult to find. So you have to think warm > thoughts to make it all happen! > > What is also difficult is holding formation with a tanker while trying to > find your willie in a flight suit strapped into an ejection seat. So I > wandered away from the formation and almost couldn't find them when I had > finished my business. > > But that was preferable to a USAF colleague's experience. Before we > departed MacDill he showed me a pee tube affair that he had rigged up: a > funnel over said willie, tube-connected to a pee bag in his lower flight > suit pocket. Trouble was it leaked ... and he got out of his super-cool F16 > on the ramp at Fightertown USA with a long wet patch on his flight suit leg > and crotch, risking great scorn from our Naval hosts. Oh, the ignominy! > > And this is a photo of me in a D-model (2-seater) just before departing > Miramar. I think it was taken with an Olympus Infinity Twin, bought in San > Diego a few days before. > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100053 > > Chris > > On 8 Dec 2009, at 18:09, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > > > Chris what do the fly boys call it? I've never heard it called anything > in > > the big jets. In the small ones I suppose its a diaper or "just wait".?! > > > > Charlie > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 20:14:57 2009 Received: (qmail 27001 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 19:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 19:14:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA06E1822E for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:14:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B22E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD4F19F43D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:13:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF4819F348 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:13:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091208191322.VTCP1164.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:13:22 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id EjDN1d00B4Z9Gks02jDNyx; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:13:22 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=EvRd2doraLOGgXPtCxYls7kl7Mkc7muryAdTQQ/qGWU= c=1 sm=1 a=BM7HvwXHBFsA:10 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:17 a=7KDZsWndAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=ESeq3nSYsb080cqT_3sA:9 a=9adptXW9cme7JorVZwMA:7 a=Dd587afucQOfw9-Ao9F1RHn8BIoA:4 a=YLE7H5wRqG0A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <76D1D5F9B4A344C5B5E83AE8671D354C@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net><88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au><0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au><14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com><14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com> <61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:13:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 20:14:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ea5b1254931560218263 Perhaps the term you young fellows are trying to recall is "relief tube" where your by-products are sent outdoors. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Barker" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:30 PM Subject: [OM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot > For the aircraft which have it, Charles, it's just a toilet. In smaller, > faster machines it's a pee bag or something like "relief system". I've > only used it once, in the F16. > > Story: switch off now if you get bored easily. > > My first ever long-range trip, using a USAF Reserves KC-135 to get 5 F16s > from MacDill AFB, FL to NAS Miramar near San Diego. I felt the need to > pee after a couple of hours, perhaps over Texas. So I broke the membrane > on a pee bag and tried to use it. But the little fighter's seat is > inclined at 30deg (vs the 13deg of most other ejection seats) and I'm not > well-endowed enough to make the flow from leaning backwards like that. So > I have to unstrap and lean forward a bit. But also it's cold in the > cockpit and a limp dick becomes quite difficult to find. So you have to > think warm thoughts to make it all happen! > > What is also difficult is holding formation with a tanker while trying to > find your willie in a flight suit strapped into an ejection seat. So I > wandered away from the formation and almost couldn't find them when I had > finished my business. > > But that was preferable to a USAF colleague's experience. Before we > departed MacDill he showed me a pee tube affair that he had rigged up: a > funnel over said willie, tube-connected to a pee bag in his lower flight > suit pocket. Trouble was it leaked ... and he got out of his super-cool > F16 on the ramp at Fightertown USA with a long wet patch on his flight > suit leg and crotch, risking great scorn from our Naval hosts. Oh, the > ignominy! > > And this is a photo of me in a D-model (2-seater) just before departing > Miramar. I think it was taken with an Olympus Infinity Twin, bought in > San Diego a few days before. > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100053 > > Chris > > On 8 Dec 2009, at 18:09, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > >> Chris what do the fly boys call it? I've never heard it called anything >> in >> the big jets. In the small ones I suppose its a diaper or "just wait".?! >> >> Charlie > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.98/2552 - Release Date: 12/08/09 07:34:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 20:24:56 2009 Received: (qmail 15182 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 19:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 19:24:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6E0E18212 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869C6E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8A63610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:24:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54513610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:24:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (charles.geilfuss@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so4731310bwz.30 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:24:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.20 with SMTP id t20mr9048546bkb.141.1260300288351; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:24:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <76D1D5F9B4A344C5B5E83AE8671D354C@SueHome> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com> <61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net> <76D1D5F9B4A344C5B5E83AE8671D354C@SueHome> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:24:48 -0500 Message-ID: <14883a8b0912081124r4ee80d57o41d67a0a05ef155b@mail.gmail.com> From: Charles Geilfuss To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 20:24:56 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ea808283785368819438 Do they still just vent it out on the ground-dwellers' heads? They're not always flying over the enemy you know. Charlie On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > Perhaps the term you young fellows are trying to recall is "relief tube" > where your by-products are sent outdoors. > > Bill Pearce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Barker" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:30 PM > Subject: [OM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot > > > > For the aircraft which have it, Charles, it's just a toilet. In smaller, > > faster machines it's a pee bag or something like "relief system". I've > > only used it once, in the F16. > > > > Story: switch off now if you get bored easily. > > > > My first ever long-range trip, using a USAF Reserves KC-135 to get 5 F16s > > from MacDill AFB, FL to NAS Miramar near San Diego. I felt the need to > > pee after a couple of hours, perhaps over Texas. So I broke the membrane > > on a pee bag and tried to use it. But the little fighter's seat is > > inclined at 30deg (vs the 13deg of most other ejection seats) and I'm not > > well-endowed enough to make the flow from leaning backwards like that. > So > > I have to unstrap and lean forward a bit. But also it's cold in the > > cockpit and a limp dick becomes quite difficult to find. So you have to > > think warm thoughts to make it all happen! > > > > What is also difficult is holding formation with a tanker while trying to > > find your willie in a flight suit strapped into an ejection seat. So I > > wandered away from the formation and almost couldn't find them when I had > > finished my business. > > > > But that was preferable to a USAF colleague's experience. Before we > > departed MacDill he showed me a pee tube affair that he had rigged up: a > > funnel over said willie, tube-connected to a pee bag in his lower flight > > suit pocket. Trouble was it leaked ... and he got out of his super-cool > > F16 on the ramp at Fightertown USA with a long wet patch on his flight > > suit leg and crotch, risking great scorn from our Naval hosts. Oh, the > > ignominy! > > > > And this is a photo of me in a D-model (2-seater) just before departing > > Miramar. I think it was taken with an Olympus Infinity Twin, bought in > > San Diego a few days before. > > > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100053 > > > > Chris > > > > On 8 Dec 2009, at 18:09, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > > > >> Chris what do the fly boys call it? I've never heard it called anything > >> in > >> the big jets. In the small ones I suppose its a diaper or "just wait".?! > >> > >> Charlie > > > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.98/2552 - Release Date: 12/08/09 > 07:34:00 > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 20:32:49 2009 Received: (qmail 7222 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 19:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 19:32:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B911E18244 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837E0E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:32:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400613610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:32:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1BE3610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:32:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (d1956m198d@blueyonder.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:32:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NI5nc-0001zy-A6 for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:32:40 +0000 Received: from [80.195.62.110] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1NI5nb-0001z9-KC for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:32:39 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1EA9DD.6010004@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:32:45 +0000 From: Donald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com> <61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net> In-Reply-To: <61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net> Subject: Re: [OM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 20:32:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ea9e185669730998309 Chris Barker wrote: > > Story: switch off now if you get bored easily. > > How fascinating. Now, if you'd been in a Herc, you could have put a strap on, stood on the ramp, and made ice! D. -- I'm a Mac, but I'm happy with my PC. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 21:33:31 2009 Received: (qmail 11283 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 20:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 20:33:30 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717EFE18228 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:33:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84184E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5380119F5D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:33:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BABD19F58B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:33:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:33:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26026 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 20:30:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) 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Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot > Chris what do the fly boys call it? I've never heard it called anything in > the big jets. In the small ones I suppose its a diaper or "just wait".?! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 22:10:11 2009 Received: (qmail 30218 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 21:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:10:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97430E181B9 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13962E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF78519F6C6 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF1D19F6C3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bs.pearce@cox.net whitelisted) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091208211000.HGUM1916.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:10:00 -0500 Received: from SueHome ([68.102.1.211]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id ElA01d00V4Z9Gks02lA0MW; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:10:01 -0500 X-VR-Score: -200.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=EvRd2doraLOGgXPtCxYls7kl7Mkc7muryAdTQQ/qGWU= c=1 sm=1 a=y06bN5EgtXYA:10 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=7KDZsWndAAAA:8 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=-dsu22HPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=N5ZgNkh4Z9wkxVNpp8IA:9 a=IQlqZzjEgLAaHfblpn8A:7 a=HpJHzGK-5B3MAkTUFfngHdbLDjMA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=YLE7H5wRqG0A:10 a=y32yHVKV1IPMfpdNcso6Wg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <6BA1FBF5D8174AABBA0AF2470092C3E2@SueHome> From: "Sue Pearce" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net><88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au><0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au><14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com><14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com><61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net><76D1D5F9B4A344C5B5E83AE8671D354C@SueHome> <14883a8b0912081124r4ee80d57o41d67a0a05ef155b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:09:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [OM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 22:10:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ec0b3244851258626592 Don't know if anyone still uses them, but the brits are veddy traditional, so Chris probably can tell us. Bill Pearce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Geilfuss" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Pee bags,was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot > Do they still just vent it out on the ground-dwellers' heads? They're not > always flying over the enemy you know. > > Charlie > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Sue Pearce wrote: > >> Perhaps the term you young fellows are trying to recall is "relief tube" >> where your by-products are sent outdoors. >> >> Bill Pearce >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Barker" >> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:30 PM >> Subject: [OM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and >> shoot >> >> >> > For the aircraft which have it, Charles, it's just a toilet. In >> > smaller, >> > faster machines it's a pee bag or something like "relief system". I've >> > only used it once, in the F16. >> > >> > Story: switch off now if you get bored easily. >> > >> > My first ever long-range trip, using a USAF Reserves KC-135 to get 5 >> > F16s >> > from MacDill AFB, FL to NAS Miramar near San Diego. I felt the need to >> > pee after a couple of hours, perhaps over Texas. So I broke the >> > membrane >> > on a pee bag and tried to use it. But the little fighter's seat is >> > inclined at 30deg (vs the 13deg of most other ejection seats) and I'm >> > not >> > well-endowed enough to make the flow from leaning backwards like that. >> So >> > I have to unstrap and lean forward a bit. But also it's cold in the >> > cockpit and a limp dick becomes quite difficult to find. So you have >> > to >> > think warm thoughts to make it all happen! >> > >> > What is also difficult is holding formation with a tanker while trying >> > to >> > find your willie in a flight suit strapped into an ejection seat. So I >> > wandered away from the formation and almost couldn't find them when I >> > had >> > finished my business. >> > >> > But that was preferable to a USAF colleague's experience. Before we >> > departed MacDill he showed me a pee tube affair that he had rigged up: >> > a >> > funnel over said willie, tube-connected to a pee bag in his lower >> > flight >> > suit pocket. Trouble was it leaked ... and he got out of his >> > super-cool >> > F16 on the ramp at Fightertown USA with a long wet patch on his flight >> > suit leg and crotch, risking great scorn from our Naval hosts. Oh, the >> > ignominy! >> > >> > And this is a photo of me in a D-model (2-seater) just before departing >> > Miramar. I think it was taken with an Olympus Infinity Twin, bought in >> > San Diego a few days before. >> > >> > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100053 >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > On 8 Dec 2009, at 18:09, Charles Geilfuss wrote: >> > >> >> Chris what do the fly boys call it? I've never heard it called >> >> anything >> >> in >> >> the big jets. In the small ones I suppose its a diaper or "just >> >> wait".?! >> >> >> >> Charlie >> > >> > -- >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> > >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.98/2552 - Release Date: >> 12/08/09 >> 07:34:00 >> >> -- >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >> Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >> Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >> >> > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.98/2552 - Release Date: 12/08/09 07:34:00 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 22:16:45 2009 Received: (qmail 22554 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 21:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:16:44 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A955AE181BF for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:16:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E5CE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6F83610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:15:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8713610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:15:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:15:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30097 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 21:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:12:48 -0000 Message-Id: <55AB62AD-AFEF-4B28-AF61-5DA6FAC0BA0F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1E6865.1030101@chucknorcutt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:15:45 +1100 References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com><4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <4B1E5650.9000004@verizon.net> <4B1E66FE.4070806@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1E6865.1030101@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 22:16:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ec23d265841744846740 What's more embarassing Chuck - bein' iggerent or bein' a redneck? :-) Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 1:53 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Well, I've never considered it such but Wiki tells me I'm wrong. > "Shoot, redneck term for shit or damn." -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 22:21:08 2009 Received: (qmail 24804 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 21:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:21:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A650E1819A for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:21:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D57E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C9319F54E for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:21:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A8D19F6E4 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:21:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30390 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 21:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:17:57 -0000 Message-Id: <3DF62AC3-DF27-4291-8B68-B0A6A210643C@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0912080603i4f52c852u6878e23c4e8cdb1c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:20:55 +1100 References: <378E7C96-650A-45A7-8E10-F70B760D54A1@people.net.au> <4B1DD6EB.3090508@gmail.com> <37E0D2A4-1311-44A7-8B03-F6C6BC1F1BF7@people.net.au> <4B1E5830.9090800@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0912080603i4f52c852u6878e23c4e8cdb1c@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 22:21:08 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ec344148312439112457 Not really - 15yo is the peak of ureasonableness. If they don't come back soon after that you've got trouble long term. Around here, the really expensive private schools send them on camp for at least six months (way out in the bush). There they learn things like - if you don't cook, you don't eat; if you don't wash your clothes you've got no fresh undies; if you don't shut up and listen, you spend the night cold and lost in the forest. Only way to deal with a 15yo. Betty Windsor sent Charles out to do it at Timbertop (Geelong Grammar) - look how well he turned out. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 1:03 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Er...16? Push it back a few years Chuck. > > Charlie > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: > >> When my two kids were very young teens my wife used to say that there >> should be some place where their like can be sent until they're >> about 16 >> and have decided to return to the human race. :-) -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 22:22:16 2009 Received: (qmail 30292 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 21:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:22:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0179AE181AC for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:22:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACE2E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1913619F6EE for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:22:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64ABD19F6EB for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:22:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:22:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30466 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 21:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:19:10 -0000 Message-Id: <32CB5976-F804-417B-AAEA-45578D6DAA3F@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <2531E549-FE98-43BF-AAB2-FA64FE476668@sfr.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:22:08 +1100 References: <86A9F9E2-8A46-4D1A-A0F6-6BEEABE2CF27@frozenlight.eu> <2531E549-FE98-43BF-AAB2-FA64FE476668@sfr.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Ellipsis, was: Speaking of paradigms X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 22:22:16 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ec388142101357919056 Because...they're French? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 2:31 AM, philippe.amard wrote: > PS: French keyboards are AZERTYUIOP, nobody knows why they've kept > them so. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 22:35:34 2009 Received: (qmail 24229 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 21:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:35:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0D9F54016 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F800E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0083610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:35:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452F83610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:35:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1354 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 21:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:32:26 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:35:24 +1100 References: <7ac27f4f0912072027k5a36bbadi9e3c079d599c80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E5438.9000907@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Strange Weather!! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 22:35:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ec6a6297511946193717 That's far too reasonable and well written for anyone to take any notice. Conspiracies are far too entertaining. Anuway, what they're really concealing is that aliens are responsible... Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 2:58 AM, Ian Nichols wrote: > On the subject of which, I believe this is worth watching. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 22:37:47 2009 Received: (qmail 19499 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 21:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:37:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF570E181CB for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:37:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8221AE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661251CD49C for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:37:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B431CD48A for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:37:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1482 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 21:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:34:39 -0000 Message-Id: <966773E2-1B73-47E2-AE7E-196DE66891CD@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <0EFFD4C3-314E-4B7F-9AD4-E2D392E45301@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:37:37 +1100 References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <1020CDA6-2173-41D3-843C-27E5484E2EA2@threeshoes.net> <9E7EFE1A-CD25-4FAA-89BF-55AB1670BF5D@people.net.au> <0EFFD4C3-314E-4B7F-9AD4-E2D392E45301@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 22:37:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ec72b129509730998309 I shall treasure that grudging admission. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 4:57 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Yes, I suppose you're right, Andrew. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 22:50:04 2009 Received: (qmail 1968 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 21:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:50:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4FBE18236 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:50:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857DBE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731C01CD489 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:49:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A7E1CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:49:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3811 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 21:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:46:55 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:49:53 +1100 References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com> <61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] [SPAM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 22:50:04 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1eca0c191011234514069 Trust the septics to have reclining seats - automatic shift as well? :-) The phot was interesting but the arrangement you described was not quite visible - another cold day? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 5:30 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > For the aircraft which have it, Charles, it's just a toilet. In > smaller, faster machines it's a pee bag or something like "relief > system". I've only used it once, in the F16. > > Story: switch off now if you get bored easily. > > My first ever long-range trip, using a USAF Reserves KC-135 to get 5 > F16s from MacDill AFB, FL to NAS Miramar near San Diego. I felt the > need to pee after a couple of hours, perhaps over Texas. So I broke > the membrane on a pee bag and tried to use it. But the little > fighter's seat is inclined at 30deg (vs the 13deg of most other > ejection seats) and I'm not well-endowed enough to make the flow > from leaning backwards like that. So I have to unstrap and lean > forward a bit. But also it's cold in the cockpit and a limp dick > becomes quite difficult to find. So you have to think warm thoughts > to make it all happen! > > What is also difficult is holding formation with a tanker while > trying to find your willie in a flight suit strapped into an > ejection seat. So I wandered away from the formation and almost > couldn't find them when I had finished my business. > > But that was preferable to a USAF colleague's experience. Before we > departed MacDill he showed me a pee tube affair that he had rigged > up: a funnel over said willie, tube-connected to a pee bag in his > lower flight suit pocket. Trouble was it leaked ... and he got out > of his super-cool F16 on the ramp at Fightertown USA with a long wet > patch on his flight suit leg and crotch, risking great scorn from > our Naval hosts. Oh, the ignominy! > > And this is a photo of me in a D-model (2-seater) just before > departing Miramar. I think it was taken with an Olympus Infinity > Twin, bought in San Diego a few days before. > > http://gallery.me.com/zuiko#100053 > > Chris > > On 8 Dec 2009, at 18:09, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > >> Chris what do the fly boys call it? I've never heard it called >> anything in >> the big jets. In the small ones I suppose its a diaper or "just >> wait".?! >> >> Charlie > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 22:56:37 2009 Received: (qmail 31384 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 21:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:56:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509EEE181CB for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:56:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D12EE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714A03610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:56:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFAE3610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:56:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:56:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5591 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 21:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:53:31 -0000 Message-Id: <04378396-FBA8-4461-BB11-0CC37B2D78C0@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0912081259p49c16e8dr804e7ed2c4db340d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:56:29 +1100 References: <7ac27f4f0912081259p49c16e8dr804e7ed2c4db340d@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Mostly Senoritas in Costumes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 22:56:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ecb95232931234514069 Looks hilarious - people do love playing dress-ups don't they? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 7:59 AM, Richard Man wrote: > Some of you enjoy my convention costume pictures, and here's the > latest set: > > http://www.rfman.com/SF-and-Fantasy-Conventions/LosCon-2009 > > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 22:58:12 2009 Received: (qmail 10687 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 21:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:58:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F93E1822C for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA5CE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:57:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9211CD488 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:57:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4081CD48A for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:57:50 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:57:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5757 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 21:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 21:54:50 -0000 Message-Id: <2B151FA1-2E42-4B96-983E-A67D80A0EBD3@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <833253DA-E5E7-4A17-B468-68E7C6A74D43@threeshoes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:57:48 +1100 References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <7D22E760-80BE-4269-8FC5-8CE6FD7BD6F9@people.net.au> <833253DA-E5E7-4A17-B468-68E7C6A74D43@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 22:58:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ecbf4295801076813867 The only image I can find of a true long drop - it's simply perched off a cliff. http://www.lonelyplanetimages.com/images/49787 Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 5:01 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > My brother is about to move to a part of Bulgaria where flush > toilets are a rarity. We have just been discussing the benefits of > a "long drop" over a compost. :-) > > Chris > > On 7 Dec 2009, at 22:22, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> I think it's time for a dunny/outhose challenge - a TOPE perhaps. >> There is a 'long drop' in a remote area around here somewhere that >> would make a chilling contribution. > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 23:11:16 2009 Received: (qmail 7220 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 22:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 22:11:15 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8629FE1822B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FFEE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5073610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:11:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7763610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:11:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21279 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 22:11:07 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 22:11:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1ECEFB.5080809@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:11:07 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7ac27f4f0912072027k5a36bbadi9e3c079d599c80@mail.gmail.com> <4B1E5438.9000907@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Strange Weather!! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 23:11:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ecf03239816107113666 I shouldn't have written this. I've answered Ian off-list to avoid a flame war. Chuck Norcutt Ian Nichols wrote: > 2009/12/8 Chuck Norcutt : >> Send a complaint to Dr. Phil Jones at EAU. Ooops! I forgot. He's >> probably out of the office these days. :-) > > On the subject of which, I believe this is worth watching. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 23:11:29 2009 Received: (qmail 7249 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 22:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 22:11:29 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A221EE18279 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1E1E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA763610006 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:11:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2123610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:11:24 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com (mail-gx0-f221.google.com [209.85.217.221]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so4566856gxk.10 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:11:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.25.5 with SMTP id 5mr14821448yby.295.1260310283427; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:11:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <04378396-FBA8-4461-BB11-0CC37B2D78C0@people.net.au> References: <7ac27f4f0912081259p49c16e8dr804e7ed2c4db340d@mail.gmail.com> <04378396-FBA8-4461-BB11-0CC37B2D78C0@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:11:23 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0912081411x630db766ke6386cbb64b882b8@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Mostly Senoritas in Costumes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 23:11:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ecf1173401076813867 Some wear cloths made by others, but most of them do it to show off their love for costuming. For example, the one with the clocks are based on one of the characters in a widely popular web comic called Girl Genius and she made every clock herself. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Looks hilarious - people do love playing dress-ups don't they? -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 23:16:49 2009 Received: (qmail 14253 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 22:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 22:16:48 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DB6E18245 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85183E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:16:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E903610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:16:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB033610006 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:16:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from blnmtfh2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:16:43 -0800 (PST) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iAgKEEEpAAAA:8 a=0tikkM33Ag_9cUi83ZAA:9 a=P0BRMtaggIjz2o2fJlEA:7 a=ZaClyiqFu83dDIbqRyR_Jh0kHS4A:4 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtfh2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:3720] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtfh2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id 8E/B4-06486-A40DE1B4; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:16:42 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:16:47 -0700 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 23:16:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ed051282671612113968 We had a little snow today. It's a fairly momentous occasion and all the local schools are closed. Kids were super excited to have a snow day off from school, so I thought I'd share our little bit of white stuff with the list. [1]http://candid-captures.smugmug.com/Other/Landscapes-Outdoors/431316 2_4avzb#735664704_CusoV-L-LB [2]http://candid-captures.smugmug.com/Other/Landscapes-Outdoors/431316 2_4avzb#735673062_b37z7-L-LB Olympus E-30 and 12-60mm. Candace References 1. http://candid-captures.smugmug.com/Other/Landscapes-Outdoors/4313162_4avzb#735664704_CusoV-L-LB 2. http://candid-captures.smugmug.com/Other/Landscapes-Outdoors/4313162_4avzb#735673062_b37z7-L-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 23:22:40 2009 Received: (qmail 9279 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 22:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 22:22:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4CAE181DE for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:22:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C61E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2EA1CD487 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:22:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A305D1CD489 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:22:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com (mail-yx0-f204.google.com [209.85.210.204]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so5892266yxe.22 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:22:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.127.23 with SMTP id z23mr14999465ybc.179.1260310950887; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:22:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:22:30 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 23:22:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ed1b0137201744846740 A mini-photo essay on my trek to the Big Basin http://rfman.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/the-eye-in-the-woods/ -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 23:25:59 2009 Received: (qmail 27651 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 22:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 22:25:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F779E18236 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06366E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45FF1CD488 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:25:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0761CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:25:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31206 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 22:25:51 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 8 Dec 2009 22:25:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1ED270.9070108@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:25:52 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com><4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <4B1E5650.9000004@verizon.net> <4B1E66FE.4070806@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1E6865.1030101@chucknorcutt.com> <55AB62AD-AFEF-4B28-AF61-5DA6FAC0BA0F@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <55AB62AD-AFEF-4B28-AF61-5DA6FAC0BA0F@people.net.au> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 23:25:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ed277297511946193717 Not even knowing that you're an iggerent redneck. :-) Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > What's more embarassing Chuck - bein' iggerent or bein' a redneck? :-) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 09/12/2009, at 1:53 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > >> Well, I've never considered it such but Wiki tells me I'm wrong. >> "Shoot, redneck term for shit or damn." > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 23:30:54 2009 Received: (qmail 28888 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 22:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 22:30:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76B0E1824D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48FBE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963D11CD48A for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:30:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE351CD488 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:30:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2862 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 22:30:46 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 23:30:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ed39e87524877110844 Looks like we're going to get the rest of your storm tonight. Fortunately, I was able to get some missing parts for the snowblower just in time today. They had been on order and by miracle came in ahead of the promise date. It's all primed ready to go. Chuck Norcutt Candace Lemarr wrote: > We had a little snow today. > It's a fairly momentous occasion and all the local schools are closed. > Kids were super excited to have a snow day off from school, so I > thought I'd share our little bit of white stuff with the list. > [1]http://candid-captures.smugmug.com/Other/Landscapes-Outdoors/431316 > 2_4avzb#735664704_CusoV-L-LB > [2]http://candid-captures.smugmug.com/Other/Landscapes-Outdoors/431316 > 2_4avzb#735673062_b37z7-L-LB > Olympus E-30 and 12-60mm. > > Candace > > References > > 1. http://candid-captures.smugmug.com/Other/Landscapes-Outdoors/4313162_4avzb#735664704_CusoV-L-LB > 2. http://candid-captures.smugmug.com/Other/Landscapes-Outdoors/4313162_4avzb#735673062_b37z7-L-LB -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 23:32:55 2009 Received: (qmail 10887 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 22:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 22:32:55 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50131E181CC for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615C6E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C84A1CD489 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:32:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78441CD488 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:32:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4436 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 22:32:47 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Mostly Senoritas in Costumes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 23:32:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ed4175581220213263 I did a double take. This gal could have been my sister (well, of 30 years ago) :-) Chuck Norcutt Richard Man wrote: > Some of you enjoy my convention costume pictures, and here's the latest set: > > http://www.rfman.com/SF-and-Fantasy-Conventions/LosCon-2009 > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 23:34:32 2009 Received: (qmail 24802 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 22:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 22:34:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0528CE182A3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28305E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B251CD489 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:33:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C9E1CD488 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:33:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091208223331770.YLTN20470@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:33:31 +0000 Message-Id: <933987C3-4372-4082-A0B9-B474AE3C32B6@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <55AB62AD-AFEF-4B28-AF61-5DA6FAC0BA0F@people.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:33:31 -0500 References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com><4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <4B1E5650.9000004@verizon.net> <4B1E66FE.4070806@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1E6865.1030101@chucknorcutt.com> <55AB62AD-AFEF-4B28-AF61-5DA6FAC0BA0F@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 23:34:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ed478157671946193717 Ain't nothin' embarrassin' about bein' a redneck! I been one all my life. Hillbilly, too. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > What's more embarassing Chuck - bein' iggerent or bein' a redneck? :-) > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 23:35:53 2009 Received: (qmail 13256 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 22:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 22:35:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E536EE1822D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:35:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB34AE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:34:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81571CD488 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:34:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9231CD487 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:34:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:34:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5763 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 22:34:49 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 23:35:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ed4c953621950411718 All quite lovely. The little waterfall struck me first as looking like a beam of light. Chuck Norcutt Richard Man wrote: > A mini-photo essay on my trek to the Big Basin > http://rfman.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/the-eye-in-the-woods/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 23:37:12 2009 Received: (qmail 22719 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 22:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 22:37:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8773AE1824C for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C320E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:35:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6198A361000B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:35:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AFE3610007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:35:54 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6474 invoked by uid 504); 8 Dec 2009 22:35:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Mostly Senoritas in Costumes X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 23:37:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ed51824721006886880 Oops! I forgot the link Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I did a double take. This gal could have been my sister (well, of 30 > years ago) :-) > > Chuck Norcutt > > Richard Man wrote: >> Some of you enjoy my convention costume pictures, and here's the latest set: >> >> http://www.rfman.com/SF-and-Fantasy-Conventions/LosCon-2009 >> -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Tue Dec 8 23:45:01 2009 Received: (qmail 25535 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 22:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 22:45:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709BCE18147 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:45:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493E0E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9AF3610006 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:44:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7DB3610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:44:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from blnmtfh2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:44:51 -0800 (PST) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iIteEahzXASlCzoO-mIA:9 a=Csh6sYCwDgIm0lvLBP1gT8q7VwwA:4 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtfh2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:3919] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtfh2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id BB/31-12772-0E6DE1B4; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:44:51 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1ED6E5.9060003@bresnan.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:44:53 -0700 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Dec 8 23:45:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ed6ed56976789618724 Glad to hear that you're prepared! Many people here were not. The roads are all sheets of ice under this snow. Stay warm, it's very cold!! Candace Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Looks like we're going to get the rest of your storm tonight. > Fortunately, I was able to get some missing parts for the snowblower > just in time today. They had been on order and by miracle came in ahead > of the promise date. It's all primed ready to go. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 00:56:46 2009 Received: (qmail 12847 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 23:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 23:56:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E22E18236 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E86E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:56:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C870E3610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:56:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFD43610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:56:38 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail08.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.113]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB8NuZtA008587 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:56:36 +1100 Message-Id: <200912082356.nB8NuZtA008587@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail08.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:56:35 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:56:35 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 00:56:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ee7be63772013633067 > Richard Man wrote: > > A mini-photo essay on my trek to the Big Basin > http://rfman.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/the-eye-in-the-woods/ > Big Basin ? Shoot ! I thought this had been posted in the wrong thread. ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 00:58:26 2009 Received: (qmail 31353 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2009 23:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 23:58:25 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B23E18212 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F2EE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCA81CD485 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:58:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508CB1CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:58:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f191.google.com (mail-yw0-f191.google.com [209.85.211.191]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh29 with SMTP id 29so6269537ywh.32 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:58:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.114.1 with SMTP id m1mr15129945ybc.182.1260316698502; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:58:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200912082356.nB8NuZtA008587@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200912082356.nB8NuZtA008587@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:58:18 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0912081558p267172bbp7b4d778b1bbe07f2@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 00:58:26 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ee822105551073733319 On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Wayne Harridge wrote: > > > > >> Richard Man wrote: >> >> A mini-photo essay on my trek to the Big Basin >> http://rfman.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/the-eye-in-the-woods/ >> > > Big Basin ? > > Shoot ! =A0I thought this had been posted in the wrong thread. ? eh? Yes, Big Basin Redwood State Park in California. -- = // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 01:23:37 2009 Received: (qmail 19242 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 00:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 00:23:37 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BFEE1822E for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:23:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA4AE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00B91CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:23:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F88C1CD485 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:23:31 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:23:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1587862fga.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:23:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.80 with SMTP id c16mr815889hbg.155.1260318209546; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:23:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:23:29 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ecc7e5b2887e1edb Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 01:23:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1eee09168641413256596 I managed to squeeze both Jeeps into the garage tonight and our condo association pays for snow removal. I'll be working from home tomorrow. Life is good. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 01:26:35 2009 Received: (qmail 14892 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 00:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 00:26:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9E9E18148 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6356E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:26:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66071CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:26:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2031CD485 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:26:30 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:26:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so6255348fxm.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:26:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.190.69 with SMTP id w5mr958936hbh.143.1260318388630; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:26:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:26:28 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 58e2314731f791a1 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 01:26:35 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1eeebb47791612113968 Green or blue filter? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 01:29:07 2009 Received: (qmail 11422 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 00:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 00:29:06 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BC5E18244 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9440BE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:29:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 870E53610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:29:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163D23610005 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:29:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so6256802fxm.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:29:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.213 with SMTP id l21mr942124hbe.26.1260318540959; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:29:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3DF62AC3-DF27-4291-8B68-B0A6A210643C@people.net.au> References: <378E7C96-650A-45A7-8E10-F70B760D54A1@people.net.au> <4B1DD6EB.3090508@gmail.com> <37E0D2A4-1311-44A7-8B03-F6C6BC1F1BF7@people.net.au> <4B1E5830.9090800@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0912080603i4f52c852u6878e23c4e8cdb1c@mail.gmail.com> <3DF62AC3-DF27-4291-8B68-B0A6A210643C@people.net.au> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:29:00 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3fdb7257d4ca1d98 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 01:29:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1eef53182949730998309 > > Betty Windsor sent Charles out to do it at Timbertop (Geelong > Grammar) - look how well he turned out. And this is supposed to be reassuring, how? AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 01:30:36 2009 Received: (qmail 28730 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 00:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 00:30:34 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47609E18148 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8FBE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6251CD485 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:30:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEFE1CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:30:29 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:30:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip06.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.84]) by mta05.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KUD0081L02ST8M0@mta05.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:30:28 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwMABt+HktMC2pf/2dsb2JhbACBRohLvkWQAwqEKAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,364,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="542358623" Received: from blk-11-106-95.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.95]) by ip06.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:34:33 -0400 Message-id: <28F53F20B2F4450D81F7B13511B75297@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:30:31 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6181 Subject: [OM] seen by a Canon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 01:30:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1eefac324601076813867 Did anyone see this piece in The Times [of London] on 17 Nov 2009 ? http://tinyurl.com/yf425bs jh __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4671 (20091208) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 01:33:44 2009 Received: (qmail 28236 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 00:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 00:33:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AC3E1819A for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C395BE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79113610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:31:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529C83610005 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:31:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f191.google.com (mail-yw0-f191.google.com [209.85.211.191]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh29 with SMTP id 29so6292804ywh.32 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:31:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.71.31 with SMTP id t31mr7558863yba.18.1260318678680; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:31:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:31:18 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0912081631q1ab60499i88a40901d608824e@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 01:33:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ef06828105368819438 None ;-P I was going to ask - would a green or blue filter be useful for green stuff? On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Green or blue filter? > > AG -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 01:35:16 2009 Received: (qmail 25311 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 00:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 00:35:14 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D916CE1824C for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2426E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D6819F4CE for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:33:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7337219F430 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:33:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.20]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KUD00EJW08G3G52@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:33:52 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-11-106-95.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.95]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:37:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:33:56 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuwMAIJ/HktMC2pf/2dsb2JhbACBRohLzkwKhCgEhW4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,364,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="646845593" X-EsetScannerBuild: 6181 References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1ED6E5.9060003@bresnan.net> Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 01:35:15 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ef0c35515034211378 How cold is "very cold" ? jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Candace Lemarr" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow > Glad to hear that you're prepared! Many people here were not. > The roads are all sheets of ice under this snow. > Stay warm, it's very cold!! > > Candace > > > > Chuck Norcutt wrote: >> Looks like we're going to get the rest of your storm tonight. >> Fortunately, I was able to get some missing parts for the snowblower >> just in time today. They had been on order and by miracle came in ahead >> of the promise date. It's all primed ready to go. >> >> Chuck Norcutt >> >> >> > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4671 (20091208) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4671 (20091208) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 01:53:44 2009 Received: (qmail 16906 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 00:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 00:53:41 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA13E18147 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:53:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D204E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB1E1CD487 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:53:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A5F1CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:53:35 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:53:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so6270397fxm.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:53:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.143.219 with SMTP id l27mr840975hba.162.1260320014085; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:53:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0912081631q1ab60499i88a40901d608824e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912081631q1ab60499i88a40901d608824e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:53:34 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d607896e85597545 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 01:53:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ef518166172013633067 > > I was going to ask - would a green or blue filter be useful for green > stuff? Seeing how light the vegetation is, I figured there was some filtration in use. I'm still learning how to use green/blue for my B&W work. Always been a yellow/orange/red guy. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 01:58:59 2009 Received: (qmail 19781 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 00:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 00:58:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C57BE18197 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0BFE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DD33610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:58:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893113610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:58:52 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from blnmtfh2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:58:52 -0800 (PST) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qrqso71NAAAA:8 a=GtJrHIBgAAAA:8 a=Zp0_P9E3wtN6sJUwsjcA:9 a=g1NdSsvfRfCssK41-SnrjNlfQ-oA:4 a=_x6GTltEcL4A:10 a=Artn-uqpBiUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtfh2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:4379] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtfh2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id B4/3B-12772-B46FE1B4; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:58:51 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1EF63E.4040407@bresnan.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:58:38 -0700 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1ED6E5.9060003@bresnan.net> <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> In-Reply-To: <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 01:58:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ef653316051560218263 It's about 20 degrees right now. Only supposed to get down to 11 degrees tonight. It was about 30 degrees yesterday with sleeting/snowy/rain type stuff with lots of wind, and that froze nicely last night and then the snow began to fall, making for treacherous driving conditions today. Still, that is warmer than last week, where two days in a row at 7:30 am it was only 6 degrees. Probably not that cold to some of you, but pretty cold for us. :-) Candace John Hudson wrote: > How cold is "very cold" ? > > jh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Candace Lemarr" > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow > > > >> Glad to hear that you're prepared! Many people here were not. >> The roads are all sheets of ice under this snow. >> Stay warm, it's very cold!! >> >> Candace >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 02:00:19 2009 Received: (qmail 30706 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 01:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 01:00:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D692E181CB for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155E2E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DF73610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:00:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765E13610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:00:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13453 invoked by uid 502); 9 Dec 2009 01:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.162.43) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2009 01:00:08 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1EF692.4090401@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:00:02 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 02:00:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ef6a391465368819438 Candace Lemarr wrote: > We had a little snow today. > It's a fairly momentous occasion and all the local schools are closed. Kids were super excited to have a snow day off from school, so I thought I'd share our little bit of white stuff with the list... Olympus E-30 and 12-60mm. > > 1. http://candid-captures.smugmug.com/Other/Landscapes-Outdoors/4313162_4avzb#735664704_CusoV-L-LB > 2. http://candid-captures.smugmug.com/Other/Landscapes-Outdoors/4313162_4avzb#735673062_b37z7-L-LB > 1. It's nice to see how much they have grown already. She's so cute; it doesn't look like he will outgrow the nerd look for a while yet. (Takes one to recognize one.) :-) 2. Hey, I really like that! Of course, being me, I couldn't resist - bringing more tonal detail into the highlights and idealizing the background. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 02:03:14 2009 Received: (qmail 20336 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 01:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 01:03:13 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027DDE18147 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668B7E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFE53610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:03:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0759F3610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:03:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yw0-f191.google.com (mail-yw0-f191.google.com [209.85.211.191]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywh29 with SMTP id 29so6315292ywh.32 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:03:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.234.15 with SMTP id g15mr15154411ybh.194.1260320588516; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:03:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912081631q1ab60499i88a40901d608824e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:03:08 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0912081703y6738d83du7e117ce10fda719@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 02:03:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1ef752313511946193717 I'm pretty sure that it's a vuescan thing. I will print them in the darkroom and see. I bet they look different. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> I was going to ask - would a green or blue filter be useful for green >> stuff? > > > Seeing how light the vegetation is, I figured there was some filtration in > use. > > I'm still learning how to use green/blue for my B&W work. Always been a > yellow/orange/red guy. > -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 02:28:13 2009 Received: (qmail 16816 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 01:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 01:28:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30AD8E181CF for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:28:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9F7E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539253610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:28:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054263610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:28:07 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:28:06 -0800 (PST) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iAgKEEEpAAAA:8 a=4netDGtTAAAA:8 a=HYvEWl9zNmDXUT74iKMA:9 a=Sjpxx6sWN5U5KmGwpvUAYuAL-W0A:4 a=nFLlhvZ5_RIA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:4469] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id 90/BA-17882-62DFE1B4; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:28:06 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1EFD18.3060504@bresnan.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:27:52 -0700 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1EF692.4090401@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1EF692.4090401@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 02:28:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1efd2d71761006886880 Moose wrote: > Candace Lemarr wrote: > >> We had a little snow today. >> It's a fairly momentous occasion and all the local schools are closed. Kids were super excited to have a snow day off from school, so I thought I'd share our little bit of white stuff with the list... Olympus E-30 and 12-60mm. >> >> 1. http://candid-captures.smugmug.com/Other/Landscapes-Outdoors/4313162_4avzb#735664704_CusoV-L-LB >> 2. http://candid-captures.smugmug.com/Other/Landscapes-Outdoors/4313162_4avzb#735673062_b37z7-L-LB >> >> > > > 1. It's nice to see how much they have grown already. She's so cute; it > doesn't look like he will outgrow the nerd look for a while yet. (Takes > one to recognize one.) :-) > You know, he resembles that remark! Tee hee. :-) I am compelled to agree with you on both counts. > 2. Hey, I really like that! > > Of course, being me, I couldn't resist - bringing more tonal detail into > the highlights and idealizing the background. > > Thanks! I really wanted to remove the window and bench, as well as the pot on the right hand side. But I had two almost 7 year olds freaking out because now they were inside and realized they were pretty cold and very wet. They had to completely immerse themselves in the snow banks. It was all fun and games until they came inside. Anyhow, I knew the pic of the fountain was going up "as is" or wasn't going up at all. I like what you did, thank you! Candace -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 02:40:01 2009 Received: (qmail 28465 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 01:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 01:40:00 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07062E18236 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:40:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F394DE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:39:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01483610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:39:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7C93610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:39:53 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgnzalez@chasque.net whitelisted) Received: from smtp-2.chasque.net (chasque.chasque.net [200.40.135.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (r190-135-29-102.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [190.135.29.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-2.chasque.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB91djuH010106 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:39:45 -0200 Message-ID: <4B1EFFE5.6000906@chasque.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:39:49 -0200 From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-RedChasque-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-RedChasque-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RedChasque-MailScanner-From: fgnzalez@chasque.net Subject: [OM] [IMG] you've got to have a child girl X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 02:40:01 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1efff1283511234514069 And that she's you're only child as well :-) tripod mounted 65~116 Telescopic Auto Extension Tube @ 65mm, Macro Zuiko = 135mm=83/4,5 @ =83/8, Olympus OM 2n on Auto mode, TTL OTF T-32 mounted on = PBG 2 via TTL Conn. Type4, Winder2, Eyecup1. Provia 100F - sRGB small: large: Fernando. -- = Gutta cavat lapidem, no vi sed saepe cadendo. -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 02:51:24 2009 Received: (qmail 8295 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 01:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 01:51:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69138E18197 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FED9E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3ACD3610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:51:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730363610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:51:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so6297471fxm.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:51:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.130.153 with SMTP id 25mr369320hbj.13.1260323473130; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:51:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1EFFE5.6000906@chasque.net> References: <4B1EFFE5.6000906@chasque.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:51:13 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 200faf8ba1057791 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] you've got to have a child girl X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 02:51:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f029c135567801554290 As a member of the "FOOD Group", I understand.... I really understand. 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(chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2009 01:52:32 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1F02DF.3040809@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:52:31 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912081631q1ab60499i88a40901d608824e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 02:52:40 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f02e8149272439112457 It's easy to learn color filter effects on B&W using ACR. Just go to the HSL/Grayscale panel, click convert to grayscale and then just play with the 8 color sliders. Lots more choice than what you likely have in your photo bag. If nothing else you'll instantly see the effect of common filters like red, orange, yellow and green to help you mentally translate for your B&W film. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> I was going to ask - would a green or blue filter be useful for green >> stuff? > > > Seeing how light the vegetation is, I figured there was some filtration in > use. > > I'm still learning how to use green/blue for my B&W work. Always been a > yellow/orange/red guy. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 02:56:36 2009 Received: (qmail 8820 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 01:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 01:56:35 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F400CE1829F for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:56:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270CFE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF5B3610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:56:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D573610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:56:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-yx0-f186.google.com (mail-yx0-f186.google.com [209.85.210.186]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe16 with SMTP id 16so6529530yxe.27 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:56:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.26.36 with SMTP id 36mr8837414ybz.8.1260323786073; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:56:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1F02DF.3040809@chucknorcutt.com> References: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912081631q1ab60499i88a40901d608824e@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F02DF.3040809@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:56:26 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0912081756i4a71356ew9f52d5a9a69e91ca@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 02:56:36 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f03d4236121234514069 Um, these are scanned B&W negs :-) I will find some color digital somewhere.... On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > It's easy to learn color filter effects on B&W using ACR. =A0Just go to > the HSL/Grayscale panel, click convert to grayscale and then just play > with the 8 color sliders. =A0Lots more choice than what you likely have in > your photo bag. =A0If nothing else you'll instantly see the effect of > common filters like red, orange, yellow and green to help you mentally > translate for your B&W film. > -- = // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 02:58:54 2009 Received: (qmail 10097 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 01:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 01:58:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A53E18246 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:58:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94480E24AA3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:57:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772233610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:57:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC303610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:57:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:57:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28039 invoked by uid 504); 9 Dec 2009 01:57:57 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] you've got to have a child girl X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 02:58:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f045e259091560218263 Hey, what a familiar looking sight! We used to have a similar mountain = of stuffed animals as well... until we promised to deliver them to the = rightful owner's new home. :-) Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > And that she's you're only child as well :-) > = > tripod mounted 65~116 Telescopic Auto Extension Tube @ 65mm, Macro Zuiko = > 135mm=83/4,5 @ =83/8, Olympus OM 2n on Auto mode, TTL OTF T-32 mounted on = > PBG 2 via TTL Conn. Type4, Winder2, Eyecup1. > = > Provia 100F - sRGB > = > small: > > = > large: > > = > Fernando. > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 03:01:52 2009 Received: (qmail 2790 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 02:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 02:01:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73683E181B9 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0288CE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5251CD486 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:01:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1371CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:01:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30640 invoked by uid 504); 9 Dec 2009 02:01:44 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2009 02:01:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1F0508.3090802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:01:44 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912081631q1ab60499i88a40901d608824e@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F02DF.3040809@chucknorcutt.com> <7ac27f4f0912081756i4a71356ew9f52d5a9a69e91ca@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0912081756i4a71356ew9f52d5a9a69e91ca@mail.gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 03:01:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f0510281191946193717 It can be a reason to shoot color rather than B&W. You can do all your B&W color filtration in PhotoShop rather than with expensive filters in the field. You can also see first hand what you're doing. Chuck Norcutt Richard Man wrote: > Um, these are scanned B&W negs :-) > > I will find some color digital somewhere.... > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: >> It's easy to learn color filter effects on B&W using ACR. Just go to >> the HSL/Grayscale panel, click convert to grayscale and then just play >> with the 8 color sliders. Lots more choice than what you likely have in >> your photo bag. If nothing else you'll instantly see the effect of >> common filters like red, orange, yellow and green to help you mentally >> translate for your B&W film. >> > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 03:13:42 2009 Received: (qmail 27122 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 02:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 02:13:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E98E1819A for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9876AE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:13:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6608B3610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:13:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C046E3610005 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:13:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com (mail-gx0-f221.google.com [209.85.217.221]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so4733281gxk.10 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:13:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.119.5 with SMTP id r5mr7850567ybc.240.1260324814088; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:13:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1F0508.3090802@chucknorcutt.com> References: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912081631q1ab60499i88a40901d608824e@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F02DF.3040809@chucknorcutt.com> <7ac27f4f0912081756i4a71356ew9f52d5a9a69e91ca@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F0508.3090802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:13:34 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0912081813w5a50b019rd67f8880a0b00cd@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 03:13:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f07d6263401136683642 Yes, thanks Chuck :-) I know all those reasons. I have a digital SLR for certain things, digital RF for other things, and a 6x7 MF for other things. I know Photoshop and LR quite well. I have a Z3100 that I print up to 24x60" pano. I am doing darkroom stuff of 11x14 to 16x20, so if you rather not lecture me on the gospel of digital, I'd appreciate it :-) On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > It can be a reason to shoot color rather than B&W. =A0You can do all your > B&W color filtration in PhotoShop rather than with expensive filters in > the field. =A0You can also see first hand what you're doing. > -- = // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 03:26:34 2009 Received: (qmail 13132 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 02:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 02:26:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46313E18245 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0A4E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD961CD488 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:26:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872871CD487 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:26:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.235]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB92QPdR002943 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:26:25 +1100 Message-Id: <200912090226.nB92QPdR002943@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Received: from proxy.toll.com.au ([203.11.81.235]) by webmail01.syd.optusnet.com.au with http (user=wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au); Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:26:24 +1100 From: Wayne Harridge To: Olympus Camera Discussion Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:26:24 +1100 Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 03:26:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f0ada69065368819438 > Moose wrote: > > the highlights and idealizing the background. > > How about fixing those white "hot" pixels ? ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 03:29:06 2009 Received: (qmail 11640 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 02:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 02:29:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974A2E18247 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:29:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA6DE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CE21CD488 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:29:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86511CD485 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:28:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1607266fga.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:28:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.181.161 with SMTP id m33mr982911hbg.18.1260325738260; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:28:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1F0508.3090802@chucknorcutt.com> References: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912081631q1ab60499i88a40901d608824e@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F02DF.3040809@chucknorcutt.com> <7ac27f4f0912081756i4a71356ew9f52d5a9a69e91ca@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F0508.3090802@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:28:58 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9fff119fe3dfb50d Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 03:29:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f0b72258161744846740 > > It can be a reason to shoot color rather than B&W. You can do all your > B&W color filtration in PhotoShop rather than with expensive filters in > the field. You can also see first hand what you're doing. This sounds good in theory and everything. It even works in a pinch. But there is usually a HUGE difference between filtered B&W film and converted color imagery. I'll go further in saying that there are huge differences between various B&W films. Each film has an unique color response curve and the effect of a filter varies greatly because of varying degrees of sensitivity to different colors. For example, a green filter on Tri-X is very good for skintones on some people, but trying to use the same filter on Delta 400 produces muddy and gritty skin. A red filter produces nice dark skies with some B&W films and barely anything different with others. I'm very surprised at how ineffective the red filter turned out to be on the Fuji 100ss. When combined with the polarizer, a Red #25 on most B&W films gives you an inky black sky. Not with 100ss. Green filter? Tones go flat and ugly. So, what I'm saying is that applying color filtration in a computer to simulate the effect on a color image is vastly different than getting there in an original B&W negative. Most importantly, the curves are burned in on the negative--usually very close to the final output (especially when printed optically), so there is far less bit-bending going on in "post-production" which yields much nicer tonal gradients with excellent tonal separation and micro-contrast. To simulate the same effect in a computer usually results in solarization artifacts. But for the crazed digirules-filmdrools crowd, doing everything in post-production and pretending that it's "just as good as the real thing", there is no convincing them that they are sadly mistaken. AG (plug-in THIS) Schnozz AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 03:47:06 2009 Received: (qmail 22197 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 02:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 02:47:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BADF54017 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C88E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA0C3610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:46:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1033610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:46:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so6322553fxm.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:46:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.76.32 with SMTP id d32mr2990338mul.98.1260326818146; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:46:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4B1EFFE5.6000906@chasque.net> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:46:58 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912081846q4617c494gf253cd2dab479fed@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] you've got to have a child girl X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 03:47:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f0faa43481234514069 Did you already met the threshold when she's became 16, prefers talking with her peers instead of his knowledgeable father, and poor-old-father goes back to 2005 slides because he misses when she was 11 ... oh, well - she's already traveled more than me !! ...and will be at London during February !!. No boyfriends so far, but wait until she comes back from there ... aarghh. 2009/12/8 Ken Norton : > , I understand.... I really understand. > > AG > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 03:53:58 2009 Received: (qmail 30636 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 02:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 02:53:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88907E18247 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08F9E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B22C1CD4A4 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:53:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA271CD49E for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 03:53:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f1146110416789618724 On re-reading this, I'm probably a bit harsh in my tone, and I don't mean my pictures' :-) Apology to Chuck. -- // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 04:07:58 2009 Received: (qmail 30960 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 03:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 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Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:07:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.80 with SMTP id c16mr830039hbg.155.1260328067611; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:07:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6f8422750912081846q4617c494gf253cd2dab479fed@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B1EFFE5.6000906@chasque.net> <6f8422750912081846q4617c494gf253cd2dab479fed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:07:47 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b80a1cd4c87bb323 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] you've got to have a child girl X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 04:07:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f148e60047801554290 > > Did you already met the threshold when she's became 16... Mine are tweeners. An adventure a minute. I went into the Barnes and Noble store looking for "Tweeners for Dummies". In seven months, #1 turns 13. AG (be very afraid) Schnozz -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 04:09:32 2009 Received: (qmail 22900 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 03:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 03:09:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24EC5E181D8 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4B5E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25543610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:09:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5883610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:09:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091209030922715.SQZA5650@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:09:22 +0000 Message-Id: <769CBEB2-E33C-457B-9CFF-C1A477B99B47@roadrunner.com> From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:09:22 -0500 References: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912081631q1ab60499i88a40901d608824e@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F02DF.3040809@chucknorcutt.com> <7ac27f4f0912081756i4a71356ew9f52d5a9a69e91ca@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F0508.3090802@chucknorcutt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 04:09:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f14ec149502517112723 And you, of course, are the Lord High Poohbah of the filmrules- digidrools crowd. Did you ever stop to think you might be as full of horsepucky as those you are so fond of denigrating? If you haven't, you should. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:28 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > But for the crazed digirules-filmdrools crowd, doing everything in > post-production and pretending that it's "just as good as the real > thing", > there is no convincing them that they are sadly mistaken. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 04:17:52 2009 Received: (qmail 17950 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 03:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 03:17:52 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85575E181D8 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCEBE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:17:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D187A3610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:17:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6064D3610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:17:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:17:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so6335898fxm.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:17:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.143.219 with SMTP id l27mr854104hba.162.1260328667225; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:17:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <769CBEB2-E33C-457B-9CFF-C1A477B99B47@roadrunner.com> References: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912081631q1ab60499i88a40901d608824e@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F02DF.3040809@chucknorcutt.com> <7ac27f4f0912081756i4a71356ew9f52d5a9a69e91ca@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F0508.3090802@chucknorcutt.com> <769CBEB2-E33C-457B-9CFF-C1A477B99B47@roadrunner.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:17:47 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1f3c1454ae471708 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 04:17:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f16e0218241413256596 > > And you, of course, are the Lord High Poohbah of the filmrules- > digidrools crowd. Did you ever stop to think you might be as full of > horsepucky as those you are so fond of denigrating? If you haven't, > you should. > Of course! Now, is that horsepucky, shoot or excrement? What kind of enema should I use? If I've gotten my facts wrong in that post, please let me know. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 04:19:48 2009 Received: (qmail 14789 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 03:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 03:19:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D99DE18148 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C804E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:19:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165B53610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:19:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A044D3610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:19:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (richard.lists@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com (mail-gx0-f221.google.com [209.85.217.221]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so4774802gxk.10 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:19:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.167.28 with SMTP id p28mr15488423ybe.30.1260328782115; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:19:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:19:42 -0800 Message-ID: <7ac27f4f0912081919k2ab81ac1r31a72f8085c8770b@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Man To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: [OM] Digital vs. Film, Round 10203030330... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 04:19:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f1754210171342116753 Please kind use this new subject line. Thank you. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > Of course! =A0Now, is that horsepucky, shoot or excrement? What kind of e= nema > should I use? > > If I've gotten my facts wrong in that post, please let me know. > > AG -- = // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: http://rfman.wordpress.com // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 04:31:39 2009 Received: (qmail 29900 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 03:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 03:31:38 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7ACE181CB for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD2FE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737A21CD488 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:31:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8D71CD487 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:31:32 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (nsurit@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB93VUN3027197 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0500 Received: from NSURIT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.cf8.6a765377 (65097) for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:31:29 -0500 (EST) From: NSURIT@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:31:29 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-AOL-SENDER: NSURIT@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 04:31:39 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f1a1b292367801554290 In a message dated 12/8/2009 11:36:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, jfwilcox@gmail.com writes: > One of my favorites is, "You scum sucking pig." "You gob of spit" (Rio [Marlon Brando] to jailer [Slim Pickens] in "One-Eyed Jacks") Same movie, same actor . . . Brando Bill Barber -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 04:37:10 2009 Received: (qmail 20745 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 03:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 03:37:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2825DF54007 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080BBE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C5E3610008 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:36:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173153610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:36:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16308 invoked by uid 504); 9 Dec 2009 03:36:46 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 04:37:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f1b66198121136683642 Sorry, I didn't think I was lecturing. Chuck Norcutt Richard Man wrote: > Yes, thanks Chuck :-) I know all those reasons. > > I have a digital SLR for certain things, digital RF for other things, > and a 6x7 MF for other things. I know Photoshop and LR quite well. I > have a Z3100 that I print up to 24x60" pano. I am doing darkroom stuff > of 11x14 to 16x20, so if you rather not lecture me on the gospel of > digital, I'd appreciate it :-) > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Chuck Norcutt > wrote: >> It can be a reason to shoot color rather than B&W. You can do all your >> B&W color filtration in PhotoShop rather than with expensive filters in >> the field. You can also see first hand what you're doing. >> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 04:38:44 2009 Received: (qmail 11219 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 03:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 03:38:43 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9963EE181CF for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:38:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BC7E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:38:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961A81CD488 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:38:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2653F1CD485 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:38:27 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:38:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17391 invoked by uid 504); 9 Dec 2009 03:38:25 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2009 03:38:25 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1F1BB1.6080907@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:38:25 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912081631q1ab60499i88a40901d608824e@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F02DF.3040809@chucknorcutt.com> <7ac27f4f0912081756i4a71356ew9f52d5a9a69e91ca@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F0508.3090802@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 04:38:44 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f1bc4126401413256596 'tis good enough for me. That's all that counts. Chuck Norcutt Ken Norton wrote: >> It can be a reason to shoot color rather than B&W. You can do all your >> B&W color filtration in PhotoShop rather than with expensive filters in >> the field. You can also see first hand what you're doing. > > > This sounds good in theory and everything. It even works in a pinch. But > there is usually a HUGE difference between filtered B&W film and converted > color imagery. I'll go further in saying that there are huge differences > between various B&W films. > > Each film has an unique color response curve and the effect of a filter > varies greatly because of varying degrees of sensitivity to different > colors. For example, a green filter on Tri-X is very good for skintones on > some people, but trying to use the same filter on Delta 400 produces muddy > and gritty skin. A red filter produces nice dark skies with some B&W films > and barely anything different with others. I'm very surprised at how > ineffective the red filter turned out to be on the Fuji 100ss. When combined > with the polarizer, a Red #25 on most B&W films gives you an inky black sky. > Not with 100ss. Green filter? Tones go flat and ugly. > > So, what I'm saying is that applying color filtration in a computer to > simulate the effect on a color image is vastly different than getting there > in an original B&W negative. Most importantly, the curves are burned in on > the negative--usually very close to the final output (especially when > printed optically), so there is far less bit-bending going on in > "post-production" which yields much nicer tonal gradients with excellent > tonal separation and micro-contrast. To simulate the same effect in a > computer usually results in solarization artifacts. > > But for the crazed digirules-filmdrools crowd, doing everything in > post-production and pretending that it's "just as good as the real thing", > there is no convincing them that they are sadly mistaken. > > AG (plug-in THIS) Schnozz > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 04:40:34 2009 Received: (qmail 11973 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 03:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 03:40:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AABDE181B2 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04FF3E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF691CD488 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:39:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748281CD487 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:39:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:39:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18303 invoked by uid 504); 9 Dec 2009 03:39:48 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] you've got to have a child girl X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 04:40:34 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f1c32114469730998309 Did I already? My granddaughter is almost 16. Chuck Norcutt Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > Did you already met the threshold when she's became 16, prefers > talking with her peers instead of his knowledgeable father, and > poor-old-father goes back to 2005 slides because he misses when she > was 11 ... oh, well - she's already traveled more than me !! ...and > will be at London during February !!. No boyfriends so far, but wait > until she comes back from there ... aarghh. > > 2009/12/8 Ken Norton : >> , I understand.... I really understand. >> >> AG >> -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 05:15:50 2009 Received: (qmail 27555 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 04:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 04:15:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412F3E1822B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453F3E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FE63610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:15:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4E43610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:15:44 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:15:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31442 invoked by uid 502); 9 Dec 2009 04:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.200.235) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2009 04:15:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1F246B.6000404@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:15:39 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <034A7BAC-88FF-40B9-8B35-9A6858AB0731@frozenlight.eu> <841E753F-C5B5-4EAC-A7EF-4F2031E0FE4D@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 05:15:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f2476124711946193717 Nathan Wajsman wrote: > I don't think the pics I have been showing, made with the LX3, are THAT bad! > Well, Andrew is one of those here who has been known to exaggerate when stirring the shoot. In fact, they aren't "bad", but you the Oly DSLRs and the Leica have set a high bar. I'm sure modified processing of the LX3 files could alleviate the modest deficiency. It seems fine in bright light, as in many of your cycling images, but loses oomph a bit in other situations. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 05:20:54 2009 Received: (qmail 14533 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 04:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 04:20:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D75E18228 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2777AE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AFF3610004 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:20:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CAA3610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:20:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4635 invoked by uid 502); 9 Dec 2009 04:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.200.235) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2009 04:20:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1F259D.8010902@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:20:45 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net><88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au><0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au><14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com> <7930886EF33646E59F0B68FACF10AC35@PaulPC> In-Reply-To: <7930886EF33646E59F0B68FACF10AC35@PaulPC> Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 05:20:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f25a680715034211378 Paul Laughlin wrote: > Used to be called the "Honey Bucket", and whoever used it had the responsibility of emptying it after landing. > On an old USAF transport (C-4x?) in the early 60s, the honey bucket was only necessary for shooting. For peeing, there was a rubber hose attached to a hole in the bottom of the fuselage with a narrow, hard rubber funnel on the top end. Stick Willie's head in the funnel and let 'er fly. Man it was noisy in that thing. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 05:25:51 2009 Received: (qmail 15530 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 04:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 04:25:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAF3E18245 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0E6E240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:25:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080671CD485 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:25:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2DD1CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:25:45 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:25:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10047 invoked by uid 502); 9 Dec 2009 04:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.200.235) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2009 04:25:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1F26C4.3070008@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:25:40 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <7D22E760-80BE-4269-8FC5-8CE6FD7BD6F9@people.net.au> <833253DA-E5E7-4A17-B468-68E7C6A74D43@threeshoes.net> <2B151FA1-2E42-4B96-983E-A67D80A0EBD3@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <2B151FA1-2E42-4B96-983E-A67D80A0EBD3@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 05:25:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f26cf327176107113666 Andrew Fildes wrote: > The only image I can find of a true long drop - it's simply perched > off a cliff. > http://www.lonelyplanetimages.com/images/49787 > Now that looks mighty civilized. I though you were talking about something like the two-holer at grandpa's cabin. A rickety little shack perched over the edge of the drop down to the bank of the river. Just big enough to turn around and sit on the plank with the holes in it. Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 05:42:13 2009 Received: (qmail 20968 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 04:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 04:42:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01266E1822B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:42:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D553FE240D3 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:42:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55CB1CD487 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:42:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4403F1CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:42:06 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (fgonzalezgentile@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:42:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so6368001fxm.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:42:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.86.18 with SMTP id o18mr1704281mul.70.1260333724852; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:42:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4B1EFFE5.6000906@chasque.net> <6f8422750912081846q4617c494gf253cd2dab479fed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:42:04 -0200 Message-ID: <6f8422750912082042la3fe6d4jef941a603a916421@mail.gmail.com> From: Fernando Gonzalez Gentile To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] you've got to have a child girl X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 05:42:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f2aa5327435034211378 ROTFLOL :-) I'm afraid since she was fourteen, and then asked for her fifteen-year-old present. Yes, because she was living her fifteenth-year-of-life :-) - I taught her so, but I was speaking of me at the moment. Fernando. 2009/12/9 Ken Norton : > I went into the Barnes and Noble store looking for "Tweeners for > Dummies". In seven months, #1 turns 13. > > AG (be very afraid) Schnozz > -- -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 06:11:18 2009 Received: (qmail 25402 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 05:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 05:11:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F07CE1824E for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:11:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05581E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D158F1CD488 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:11:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CA31CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:11:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp09.register.it [81.88.48.59]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2834 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 05:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.33.65.152) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2009 05:11:03 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <4B1F246B.6000404@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:11:02 +0100 Message-Id: <228D944C-F339-4CCA-94B8-A7086CDA6004@frozenlight.eu> References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <034A7BAC-88FF-40B9-8B35-9A6858AB0731@frozenlight.eu> <841E753F-C5B5-4EAC-A7EF-4F2031E0FE4D@people.net.au> <4B1F246B.6000404@gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] LX3 (WAS: Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 06:11:18 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f317672761076813867 Well, in less than bright light one pays the price for using a tiny sensor. Even when going from ISO 80 to ISO 160 there is a noticeable increase in grain and reduction in vibrancy. The highest usable ISO is 400. However, since I bought the LX3 primarily to have with me while cycling, that is OK. I cycle during daylight hours (for the most part). Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 9, 2009, at 5:15 AM, Moose wrote: > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> I don't think the pics I have been showing, made with the LX3, are THAT bad! >> > > Well, Andrew is one of those here who has been known to exaggerate when > stirring the shoot. > > In fact, they aren't "bad", but you the Oly DSLRs and the Leica have set > a high bar. I'm sure modified processing of the LX3 files could > alleviate the modest deficiency. It seems fine in bright light, as in > many of your cycling images, but loses oomph a bit in other situations. > > Moose > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 06:36:58 2009 Received: (qmail 25896 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 05:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 05:36:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A93CE182B7 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:36:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B95E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:36:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57AB3610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:36:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE9D3610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:36:46 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (classicvw@aol.com whitelisted) Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:36:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB95ae8B024737 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:36:40 -0500 Received: from ClassicVW@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id 6.c15.5094d80c (30737) for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:36:36 -0500 (EST) From: ClassicVW@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:36:35 EST To: olympus@thomasclausen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5006 X-AOL-SENDER: ClassicVW@aol.com X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Hello again everyone! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 06:36:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f377a125801136683642 Thank you all, very much- Piers, Chuck, Joel, Moose, John, AG and everyone who have welcomed me back! It really is a good feeling to be back here again. AG, I think I did get the Leicas out of my system finally. It'll be the OMs for film and I replaced the E-10 with an E-410 a while back for digital. Keeping things simple again. Yeah right..... ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AG wrote..... Welcome back, George!!!! You've been missed. Are you still shooting the Leicas or did you get that out of your systems? Funny thing, that more of us are going Leica these days. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 06:49:24 2009 Received: (qmail 28328 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 05:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 05:49:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB2CE1822D for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7572E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:49:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5463610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:49:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DC93610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:49:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32475 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 05:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 05:46:13 -0000 Message-Id: <2031C31D-1E2B-4A5F-8284-97326D086F35@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <28F53F20B2F4450D81F7B13511B75297@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:49:15 +1100 References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> <28F53F20B2F4450D81F7B13511B75297@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] seen by a Canon X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 06:49:24 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f3a6473461950411718 Not The Times - an online variant of the awful Daily Mail. (My son works at The Times and would regard this slip as a shooting offence). Images wouldn't open but I note that the croc was 'devoured' - hardly - hippos are a tad intolerant but dedicated vegitarians. Here's The Times version - no devouring and no dumb captions - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6918747.ece Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 11:30 AM, John Hudson wrote: > Did anyone see this piece in The Times [of London] on 17 Nov 2009 ? > > http://tinyurl.com/yf425bs > > jh > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 06:55:20 2009 Received: (qmail 13252 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 05:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 05:55:20 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B039E181D6 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22778E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:55:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000A81CD485 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:55:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4031CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:55:15 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1713 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 05:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 05:52:11 -0000 Message-Id: <0B1BEC59-1A51-4D5D-8DBF-8CE96C1E55BE@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:55:12 +1100 References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1ED6E5.9060003@bresnan.net> <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 06:55:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f3bc8306712439112457 That's relative. If I really must fiddle around with Fahrenheit thingies, about 40deg would be considered bitter here - that's around 280degK. In Irkutsk that's a warmish autumn day and zeroF would be considered a bit chilly. Andrew Fildes (Who has been to Irkutsk in December). afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 11:33 AM, John Hudson wrote: > How cold is "very cold" ? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 06:59:11 2009 Received: (qmail 2863 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 05:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 05:59:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A50E181B1 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:59:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C2FE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B24E3610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:59:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F93A3610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:59:04 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (oice500@comkal.net whitelisted) Received: from ns2.comkal.net (ns2.comkal.net [203.29.18.139]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from tardis.comkal.net (tardis.comkal.net [192.168.1.40]) by ns2.comkal.net (Weasel v1.80) for ; 09 Dec 2009 16:59:02 +1100 Message-ID: <100.688f0800a43c1f4b.009@comkal.net> From: "Ian Manners" To: "olympus@thomasclausen.net" Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:59:00 +1100 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.05 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.05.48.1429) X-Mailer: IanMail v2.1 for AIX v5.11/G5 Goody: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] Hello again everyone! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 06:59:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f3caf215376789618724 > Thank you all, very much- Piers, Chuck, Joel, Moose, John, AG and everyone > who have welcomed me back! It really is a good feeling to be back here > again. Hate to say it but I didnt even notice you were gone but then so was I for a while :-O So Welcome back from me to :-) Cheers Ian Manners Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 07:10:54 2009 Received: (qmail 24851 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 06:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 06:10:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66560E181AC for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDC3E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:10:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA113610005 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:10:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1053610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:10:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:10:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5652 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 06:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 06:07:43 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:10:46 +1100 References: <4B1EFFE5.6000906@chasque.net> <6f8422750912081846q4617c494gf253cd2dab479fed@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] you've got to have a child girl X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 07:10:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f3f6e263141879814018 In a dump bin the other day I found a copy of 'Modelling for Dummies' - never was a book so aptly named. I bought because it was cheap - and out of a sense of morbid disbelief. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 2:07 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > I went into the Barnes and Noble store looking for "Tweeners for > Dummies". In seven months, #1 turns 13. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 07:12:57 2009 Received: (qmail 22558 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 06:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 06:12:56 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB15E18147 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C12EE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354A81CD48A for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:12:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC261CD489 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:12:51 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:12:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so6400536fxm.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:12:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.213 with SMTP id l21mr972869hbe.26.1260339170247; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:12:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0B1BEC59-1A51-4D5D-8DBF-8CE96C1E55BE@people.net.au> References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1ED6E5.9060003@bresnan.net> <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> <0B1BEC59-1A51-4D5D-8DBF-8CE96C1E55BE@people.net.au> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:12:50 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1f2c184e6c13e8b6 Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 07:12:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f3fe9109811258626592 Wednesday night the temperatures here are supposed to get down to -3 Fahrenheit (-19 Celsius). The winds during the day are supposed to be gusting around 50 mph (80 kph). Right now it's still snowing to beat the band and the winds are gusting a bit, but the Jeeps are all comfy inside the garage. We do have to get out for one errand and if the Internet connection is too slow to access the work network, I'll have to go into our local office. But with a foot of fresh snow and 50 mph winds, travel is not recommended. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 07:14:33 2009 Received: (qmail 10580 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 06:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 06:14:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22729E181CF for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259D0E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDE71CD488 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:13:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56061CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:13:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (paganini18.register.it [81.88.48.51]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23147 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 06:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.33.65.152) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2009 06:12:59 -0000 From: Nathan Wajsman Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:12:54 +0100 Message-Id: <159C9C42-FFE2-4BD4-9C77-84DF22FF0FCC@frozenlight.eu> To: Leica Users Group , leica@freelists.org, Olympus Camera Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [OM] Nathan's PAD 08/12/2009: Alicante winter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 07:14:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f4049308324877110844 Yesterday was a public holiday here, so most people took Monday off to enjoy a 4-day weekend. In the northern half of Spain the weather was iffy, but here in Alicante it was extremely pleasant: http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#736075067_56PDK-O-LB Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 07:16:12 2009 Received: (qmail 24429 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 06:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 06:16:11 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F212DE181BA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81219E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:15:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0399F1CD485 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:15:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E80C1CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:15:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:15:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6031 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 06:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 06:12:22 -0000 Message-Id: <0C383416-0366-4BCA-A7D9-942660D44AF2@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1F246B.6000404@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:15:24 +1100 References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <034A7BAC-88FF-40B9-8B35-9A6858AB0731@frozenlight.eu> <841E753F-C5B5-4EAC-A7EF-4F2031E0FE4D@people.net.au> <4B1F246B.6000404@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 07:16:12 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f40ac210955034211378 Gawd, all I said was that they looked a bit dull on my monitor (and that it may be my monitor cal.)! Ouch - I've told you a million times that I never exaggerate! Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 3:15 PM, Moose wrote: > Well, Andrew is one of those here who has been known to exaggerate > when > stirring the shoot. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 07:20:55 2009 Received: (qmail 24703 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 06:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 06:20:54 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99424E18199 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B96E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521211CD485 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:20:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6909A1CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:20:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7594 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 06:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 06:17:44 -0000 Message-Id: <45C1EF87-CE2C-414B-B62E-18524A9D2FE4@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1F26C4.3070008@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:20:46 +1100 References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <7D22E760-80BE-4269-8FC5-8CE6FD7BD6F9@people.net.au> <833253DA-E5E7-4A17-B468-68E7C6A74D43@threeshoes.net> <2B151FA1-2E42-4B96-983E-A67D80A0EBD3@people.net.au> <4B1F26C4.3070008@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 07:20:55 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f41c764761076813867 On 09/12/2009, at 3:25 PM, Moose wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> The only image I can find of a true long drop - it's simply perched >> off a cliff. >> http://www.lonelyplanetimages.com/images/49787 >> > > Now that looks mighty civilized. I though you were talking about > something like the two-holer at grandpa's cabin. A rickety little > shack > perched over the edge of the drop down to the bank of the river. Just > big enough to turn around and sit on the plank with the holes in it. > > Moose > -- That one looks like it was helicoptered in, a thing that kiwis tend to do a lot. There's a few of them around, usually less tidy and usually in places so remote that the accumulation far below is washed away, frozen and then washed away or naturally dispersed otherwise. They are usually so remote that the organic input is minimal - we have one national park near here where the number of licences issued for walkers is calculated by the level of excrement that the environment can sustain. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 07:43:11 2009 Received: (qmail 8561 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 06:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 06:43:10 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5E0E181CB for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E127E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:43:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1479A1CD487 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:43:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F771CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:43:05 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (pelaughlin@comcast.net whitelisted) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Euhm1d00617UAYkA5uj60w; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:43:06 +0000 Received: from PaulPC ([76.115.42.101]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Euj51d0072Axmu48Zuj6Rp; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:43:06 +0000 Message-ID: <64507CFDF8024DD5B95568D0D41F7155@PaulPC> From: "Paul Laughlin" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net><88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au><0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au><14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com><7930886EF33646E59F0B68FACF10AC35@PaulPC> <4B1F259D.8010902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1F259D.8010902@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:43:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 07:43:11 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f46ff165761413256596 There was a story floating around that this guy on a B-25 didn't want to use the honey bucket because he would have to empty it. So he talked the crew into opening the bomb bay doors and he hung his butt over it. The slip stream blew the shoot up his shirt tail. Then the crew wouldn't let him back in the cabin. Just closed the bombay doors and made him ride back there the rest of the way home. Fortunately, it was not very far. Cold in that bomb bay. Paul in Portland OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot > On an old USAF transport (C-4x?) in the early 60s, the honey bucket was > only necessary for shooting. For peeing, there was a rubber hose > attached to a hole in the bottom of the fuselage with a narrow, hard > rubber funnel on the top end. Stick Willie's head in the funnel and let > 'er fly. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 08:18:54 2009 Received: (qmail 30722 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 07:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 07:18:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22230E18228 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A265E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C921D1CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:18:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB741CD487 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:18:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0109.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:18:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0206.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0109.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEA3676C2 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:18:25 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0206 Received: by dm0206.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d15b36b2) id dm0206.4b185ef8.9a6c50 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:18:25 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMTtrlLH09Bw+mmSwIAAAAB,1f3cc4f81e506c665be52886560512f6 Message-ID: <4B1F4F42.7060101@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:26 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] Hello again everyone! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 08:18:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f4f5e84572013633067 Welcome back George! Jim Couch -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 08:22:10 2009 Received: (qmail 10495 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 07:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 07:22:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065F3E1819F for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535CCE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED633610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:22:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF5A3610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:22:02 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:22:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3683195ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:22:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.26.199 with SMTP id f7mr410082ebc.72.1260343321074; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:22:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm4357007ewy.8.2009.12.08.23.22.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:22:00 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <76D1D5F9B4A344C5B5E83AE8671D354C@SueHome> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:21:59 +0000 Message-Id: <180368BC-6FC9-469D-A947-2D0049E5A608@threeshoes.net> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net><88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au><0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au><14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com><14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com> <61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net> <76D1D5F9B4A344C5B5E83AE8671D354C@SueHome> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 08:22:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f50226536107113666 Ah yes, Bill. They had them down the back in the Vulcan. Chris On 8 Dec 2009, at 19:13, Sue Pearce wrote: > Perhaps the term you young fellows are trying to recall is "relief tube" > where your by-products are sent outdoors. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 08:23:48 2009 Received: (qmail 14258 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 07:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 07:23:47 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A48E18228 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C44E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9323610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:23:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C20E3610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:23:14 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3683911ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.37.137 with SMTP id x9mr392593ebd.78.1260343391895; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:23:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm288246ewy.5.2009.12.08.23.23.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:23:11 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <6BA1FBF5D8174AABBA0AF2470092C3E2@SueHome> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:23:10 +0000 Message-Id: <4FBE042F-BF9F-41DC-9243-93DBB850F301@threeshoes.net> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net><88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au><0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au><14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com><14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com><61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net><76D1D5F9B4A344C5B5E83AE8671D354C@SueHome> <14883a8b0912081124r4ee80d57o41d67a0a05ef155b@mail.gmail.com> <6BA1FBF5D8174AABBA0AF2470092C3E2@SueHome> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 08:23:48 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f5084226601136683642 I have a feeling that they do. Don't airliners? Chris On 8 Dec 2009, at 21:09, Sue Pearce wrote: > Don't know if anyone still uses them, but the brits are veddy traditional, > so Chris probably can tell us. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 08:25:33 2009 Received: (qmail 18305 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 07:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 07:25:32 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF70E1822E for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB200E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD111CD487 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:24:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573131CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:24:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3684625ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:24:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.65.73 with SMTP id h9mr9869574ebi.42.1260343465236; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:24:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm4373921ewy.3.2009.12.08.23.24.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:24:24 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:24:23 +0000 In-Reply-To: <966773E2-1B73-47E2-AE7E-196DE66891CD@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <1020CDA6-2173-41D3-843C-27E5484E2EA2@threeshoes.net> <9E7EFE1A-CD25-4FAA-89BF-55AB1670BF5D@people.net.au> <0EFFD4C3-314E-4B7F-9AD4-E2D392E45301@threeshoes.net> <966773E2-1B73-47E2-AE7E-196DE66891CD@people.net.au> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 08:25:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f50ed187821234514069 Not grudging ... considered, thoughtful etc .... Chris :-) On 8 Dec 2009, at 21:37, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I shall treasure that grudging admission. > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 09/12/2009, at 4:57 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> Yes, I suppose you're right, Andrew. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 08:26:58 2009 Received: (qmail 23013 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 07:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 07:26:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F90E182A4 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:26:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4422E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89ED21CD487 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:26:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1097D1CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:26:00 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3685516ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.79.84 with SMTP id o20mr417140ebk.62.1260343558969; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm753796ewy.6.2009.12.08.23.25.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:25:58 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:25:57 +0000 Message-Id: <9A819CC7-4A99-4E44-AE28-9B36BA80D05A@threeshoes.net> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com> <61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] [SPAM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 08:26:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f5142264075034211378 Heh! I never did it again, Andrew. Much too difficult the first time in that aircraft, and in the Tornado you would have to unstrap completely owing to the presence of the "negative g" strap (or crotch strap) which would get in the way of all but the longest willie. Chris On 8 Dec 2009, at 21:49, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Trust the septics to have reclining seats - automatic shift as well? :-) > The phot was interesting but the arrangement you described was not > quite visible - another cold day? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 08:26:59 2009 Received: (qmail 9912 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 07:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 07:26:58 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64447E181A8 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:26:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31D4E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:26:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93013610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:26:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD5A3610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:26:48 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:26:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3685931ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.98.144 with SMTP id q16mr9723821ebn.29.1260343607001; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm753796ewy.6.2009.12.08.23.26.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:26:46 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <14883a8b0912081110j65fe7729g147e95c41ab81728@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:26:46 +0000 Message-Id: <4A63B7FE-3D6D-490D-927F-218AD43C78D1@threeshoes.net> References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com> <61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net> <14883a8b0912081110j65fe7729g147e95c41ab81728@mail.gmail.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 08:26:59 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f5143212071946193717 :-) Poor uncle. But there are worse things that might have happened at sea, I suppose. Chris On 8 Dec 2009, at 19:10, Charles Geilfuss wrote: > Good story Chris and a cool photo. I just about needed a pee bag at my > office chair laughing at your description. Perhaps a suggestion for your > next long flight in a small plane; something used often in the hospital on > older, immobile men: the condom catheter. It is a heavy duty condom with a > built-in tube. The condom grabs the willie like a toothless bulldog so no > leaks. When you are done just roll it off. My poor Uncle has used one for > years with great success (back injury from helicopter crash off carrier > flight deck back in the '60's; rotor clipped something and into the drink > she went; lucky to be alive). > Congratulations to the List! We've managed to cover both forms of human > elimination in one day. Things can only improve. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 08:29:45 2009 Received: (qmail 6841 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 07:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 07:29:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F063E18236 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:29:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67436E240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CEE1CD487 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:27:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21271CD481 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:27:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3686221ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.99.207 with SMTP id v15mr1948630ebn.73.1260343640228; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm753796ewy.6.2009.12.08.23.27.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:27:20 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker In-Reply-To: <4B1EA9DD.6010004@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:27:19 +0000 Message-Id: References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com> <61AD551F-191F-47A7-940F-B1DC35424AB4@threeshoes.net> <4B1EA9DD.6010004@blueyonder.co.uk> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Pee bags, was Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 08:29:45 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f51e9216761076813867 :-) I think that it whips back in and covers the pax! Chris On 8 Dec 2009, at 19:32, Donald wrote: > Chris Barker wrote: >> >> Story: switch off now if you get bored easily. >> >> > > How fascinating. > > Now, if you'd been in a Herc, you could have put a strap on, stood on > the ramp, and made ice! -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 08:29:50 2009 Received: (qmail 13642 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 07:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 07:29:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F2EE18256 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:29:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168DEE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8AB3610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:28:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA443610003 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:28:21 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:28:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3686801ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:28:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.68.143 with SMTP id v15mr427541ebi.45.1260343699912; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm753796ewy.6.2009.12.08.23.28.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:28:19 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Barker Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:28:19 +0000 In-Reply-To: <2B151FA1-2E42-4B96-983E-A67D80A0EBD3@people.net.au> To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net> <88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au> <0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au> <14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <7D22E760-80BE-4269-8FC5-8CE6FD7BD6F9@people.net.au> <833253DA-E5E7-4A17-B468-68E7C6A74D43@threeshoes.net> <2B151FA1-2E42-4B96-983E-A67D80A0EBD3@people.net.au> Message-Id: <7E89C9EA-4D70-41CE-9626-31F358201705@threeshoes.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 08:29:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f51ee65851342116753 Bloomin' ding dong! I don't think I would trust that contraption. Bugger the poo! Chris On 8 Dec 2009, at 21:57, Andrew Fildes wrote: > The only image I can find of a true long drop - it's simply perched > off a cliff. > http://www.lonelyplanetimages.com/images/49787 -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 08:32:41 2009 Received: (qmail 997 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 07:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 07:32:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A7CE18197 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:32:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABFCE240CA for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E3C3610002 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:30:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076803610001 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:30:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ftog@threeshoes.net whitelisted) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:30:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so3688403ewy.8 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:30:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.102.72 with SMTP id f8mr9856177ebo.26.1260343845546; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.4? ([62.249.223.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm4362546ewy.1.2009.12.08.23.30.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:30:45 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Chris Barker X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <64507CFDF8024DD5B95568D0D41F7155@PaulPC> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:30:43 +0000 Message-Id: References: <7C08C727-680A-4EED-ADDB-4D002181B7C7@threeshoes.net><88A2D419-4FF0-44AB-8D5A-7A26D714019E@people.net.au><0A46AFEC-5966-4680-8CB2-8D1EE0A0D392@people.net.au><14883a8b0912071330s7d81496fo410d3db6e0d08d4b@mail.gmail.com> <14883a8b0912081009y50e67494j7781d3eec0fb5dfd@mail.gmail.com><7930886EF33646E59F0B68FACF10AC35@PaulPC> <4B1F259D.8010902@gmail.com> <64507CFDF8024DD5B95568D0D41F7155@PaulPC> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 08:32:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f529930435683411216 Ouch! Chaps who don't want to use the facilities these days probably just sit and let go. Chris On 9 Dec 2009, at 06:43, Paul Laughlin wrote: > There was a story floating around that this guy on a B-25 didn't want to use > the honey bucket because he would have to empty it. So he talked the crew > into opening the bomb bay doors and he hung his butt over it. The slip > stream blew the shoot up his shirt tail. Then the crew wouldn't let him > back in the cabin. Just closed the bombay doors and made him ride back > there the rest of the way home. Fortunately, it was not very far. Cold in > that bomb bay. > Paul in Portland OR -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 10:06:57 2009 Received: (qmail 9307 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 09:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 09:06:57 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAC9E181CC for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1C5E240CA for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:06:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9333F19DE9F for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:06:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEB119DE9A for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:06:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1548 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 09:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 09:03:41 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:06:44 +1100 References: <378E7C96-650A-45A7-8E10-F70B760D54A1@people.net.au> <4B1DD6EB.3090508@gmail.com> <37E0D2A4-1311-44A7-8B03-F6C6BC1F1BF7@people.net.au> <4B1E5830.9090800@chucknorcutt.com> <14883a8b0912080603i4f52c852u6878e23c4e8cdb1c@mail.gmail.com> <3DF62AC3-DF27-4291-8B68-B0A6A210643C@people.net.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 10:06:57 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f68b1186161744846740 Just pointing out that the British aristocracy are expert in their remote handling of difficult children. Very remote. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 11:29 AM, Ken Norton wrote: >> Betty Windsor sent Charles out to do it at Timbertop (Geelong >> Grammar) - look how well he turned out. > > > > And this is supposed to be reassuring, how? -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 10:42:17 2009 Received: (qmail 15080 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 09:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 09:42:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF724E18247 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:42:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DDF6E240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:42:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1DC19DF74 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:42:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4693C19DF67 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:42:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bj@caverock.net.nz whitelisted) Received: from viper.snap.net.nz (mail10.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.41]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [123.255.57.24] (24.57.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.57.24]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6643DA8CC for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:42:01 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Brian Swale" To: olympus@thomasclausen.net Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:41:29 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B202799.15221.1BBFA3@bj.caverock.net.nz> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091208-1, 08/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [OM] (OM) OT A-Data USB Flash drive X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 10:42:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f70f9173561076813867 Hi all, As a temporary solution to my digital image storage problems, I took about half my E-1 images from my hard drive and placed them on an A-Data USB 2.0 Flash drive E704 - 16 GB. I possibly looked at them once using Windows Explorer after storage, to make sure they were there. Until a few nights ago when I looked at them also with FastStone Image Viewer. Now, Windows Explorer tells me that the drive is unformatted, and do I want to format it now? NOT. A friend's XP laptop tells me the same. Actually, I told a lie. I bought two of these Flash Drives, and made two backup copies of about 36 x 72 images (give or take 100%). As far as I know the 2nd backup drive is OK but I'm rather scared to open it. Certainly not with FastStone. Any comment / similar experiences with FastStone will be listened to seriously. Thanks. Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 10:55:32 2009 Received: (qmail 1159 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 09:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 09:55:31 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D04DE18236 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0521DE240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D710719DFC5 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:55:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549D319DFC1 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:55:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (olymoose@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from server290.com (server290.com [64.14.68.141]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21069 invoked by uid 502); 9 Dec 2009 09:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (moose@71.139.161.49) by server290.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2009 09:55:23 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1F7406.80800@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:55:18 -0800 From: Moose User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <034A7BAC-88FF-40B9-8B35-9A6858AB0731@frozenlight.eu> <841E753F-C5B5-4EAC-A7EF-4F2031E0FE4D@people.net.au> <4B1F246B.6000404@gmail.com> <0C383416-0366-4BCA-A7D9-942660D44AF2@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: <0C383416-0366-4BCA-A7D9-942660D44AF2@people.net.au> Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 10:55:32 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f741461669730998309 Andrew Fildes wrote: > Gawd, all I said was that they looked a bit dull on my monitor (and that it may be my monitor cal.)! > Indeed you did, and I responded in agreement. > Ouch - I've told you a million times that I never exaggerate! > No never. Well, hardly ever, except in your next post. :-) ------------------------- Andrew Fildes wrote: > Exactly - point and shoot cameras produce excrement! Case Resting Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 11:06:25 2009 Received: (qmail 19266 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 10:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 10:06:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108E1E18198 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D5FE240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35AA83610002 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:06:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73CF33610003 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:06:19 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:06:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9311 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 10:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 10:03:13 -0000 Message-Id: From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <4B1F7406.80800@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:06:17 +1100 References: <8CC45ACF32D2E75-4290-4E5C@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> <4B795DDB4BA84CA491545E77B3F87DDA@your9ya3hf92n3> <034A7BAC-88FF-40B9-8B35-9A6858AB0731@frozenlight.eu> <841E753F-C5B5-4EAC-A7EF-4F2031E0FE4D@people.net.au> <4B1F246B.6000404@gmail.com> <0C383416-0366-4BCA-A7D9-942660D44AF2@people.net.au> <4B1F7406.80800@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 11:06:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f76a1113545368819438 Hmmm...perhaps I should have said that point and shoot photographers produce excrement? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 8:55 PM, Moose wrote: > Andrew Fildes wrote: >> Exactly - point and shoot cameras produce excrement! > > Case Resting Moose -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 11:29:06 2009 Received: (qmail 10686 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 10:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 10:29:04 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2DCE182A8 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31309E240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176C03610003 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:28:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738D63610001 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:28:58 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (piers@hemy.org whitelisted) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from 230.26.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.26.230] helo=your9ya3hf92n3) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NIJmv-0002gf-Bl for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:28:53 +0000 From: "Piers Hemy" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <86A9F9E2-8A46-4D1A-A0F6-6BEEABE2CF27@frozenlight.eu><2531E549-FE98-43BF-AAB2-FA64FE476668@sfr.fr> <32CB5976-F804-417B-AAEA-45578D6DAA3F@people.net.au> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:28:54 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <32CB5976-F804-417B-AAEA-45578D6DAA3F@people.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acp4TIUjllwE4CMtQeuRK787h9UEbgAbXu+w X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091208-1, 08/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Ellipsis, was: Speaking of paradigms X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 11:29:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f7bf1246985368819438 Yes, and specifically because of the greater relative frequency of "Q" versus "A" and "Z" versus "W" in French compared to English. Piers -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Fildes [mailto:afildes@people.net.au] Sent: 08 December 2009 21:22 To: Olympus Camera Discussion Subject: Re: [OM] Ellipsis, was: Speaking of paradigms Because...they're French? Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 2:31 AM, philippe.amard wrote: > PS: French keyboards are AZERTYUIOP, nobody knows why they've kept > them so. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 11:31:41 2009 Received: (qmail 10538 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 10:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 10:31:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF62E181BA for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A60AE240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8893610003 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:30:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D813610002 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:30:49 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14188 invoked by uid 504); 9 Dec 2009 10:30:47 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2009 10:30:47 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1F7C57.40506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:30:47 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <100.688f0800a43c1f4b.009@comkal.net> In-Reply-To: <100.688f0800a43c1f4b.009@comkal.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Hello again everyone! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 11:31:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f7c8d293065368819438 Damned primes! I am stuck in reply mode and unable to continue. Chuck Norcutt Ian Manners wrote: >> Thank you all, very much- Piers, Chuck, Joel, Moose, John, AG and everyone >> who have welcomed me back! It really is a good feeling to be back here >> again. > > Hate to say it but I didnt even notice you were gone but then so was I for > a while :-O > > So Welcome back from me to :-) > > Cheers > Ian Manners > Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 11:45:42 2009 Received: (qmail 16904 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 10:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 10:45:42 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CC9E18228 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E913AE240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:45:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C069A3610003 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:45:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245F63610001 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:45:37 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:45:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21345 invoked by uid 504); 9 Dec 2009 10:45:35 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 08/12/2009: Alicante winter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 11:45:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f7fd657444877110844 Looks dark on my monitor. Not unusual and I've learned to pass off the difference to the Apple/Win gamma thing. But the EXIF tells me the time is 12:33 and that the exposure (ISO 80, f/5.6 at 1/1250) is one stop under for sunny 16. Nominal shutter speed should have been 1/640. Chuck Norcutt Nathan Wajsman wrote: > Yesterday was a public holiday here, so most people took Monday off > to enjoy a 4-day weekend. In the northern half of Spain the weather > was iffy, but here in Alicante it was extremely pleasant: > > http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#736075067_56PDK-O-LB > > > Nathan -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 11:58:47 2009 Received: (qmail 12601 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 10:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 10:58:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F25E1822E for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9882E240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888893610004 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:58:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2633610002 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:58:39 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:58:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.36]) by mta05.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KUD00A9WT5QM3P0@mta05.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:58:38 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwKAP8RH0tMC2pf/2dsb2JhbACBRohMzB8KhCIEhWc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,367,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="497943352" Received: from blk-11-106-95.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.95]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:02:45 -0400 Message-id: <0FBA9E928BE249BF83293ACA5F6588D4@hudson> From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1ED6E5.9060003@bresnan.net> <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> <0B1BEC59-1A51-4D5D-8DBF-8CE96C1E55BE@people.net.au> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:58:38 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6183 Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 11:58:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f82e7287181220213263 A mid-winter zero F in Calgary would be considered brisk to chilly. Take another 35 to 40 off and that would be really cold ! jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fildes" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow > That's relative. If I really must fiddle around with Fahrenheit > thingies, about 40deg would be considered bitter here - that's around > 280degK. > In Irkutsk that's a warmish autumn day and zeroF would be considered a > bit chilly. > Andrew Fildes (Who has been to Irkutsk in December). > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 09/12/2009, at 11:33 AM, John Hudson wrote: > >> How cold is "very cold" ? > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4672 (20091209) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4672 (20091209) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 12:12:19 2009 Received: (qmail 1496 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 11:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 11:12:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA603E18246 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F3BE240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:12:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B649719E24D for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:12:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B4819E243 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:12:11 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (john.duggan10@btinternet.com whitelisted) Received: from web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.90]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 51926 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2009 11:12:10 -0000 Message-ID: <522653.50433.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AGCdMeUVM1mq7wMkY7eLCb5bG.yk3.6fvHc1Xypy4eXj12YRL.i44HVkJMp.WS4BHkZOLlucL9aCAn9Zfxx8MrokfX33S99FkLtGoX21wfdv2iFf8n2UCLu.wMFJ3JhAeqpaoeGzQEzjEErJsnHf413Ai7_IpfCydK1S6sv.fRRvHAhaOSOUOllcxL9d7_g_KPyDeUD3Hd299g0MjLJokAiUb_TcgtSyqjhrppzggDLU0RWgxe5l0gZ_MAaHAgAYMTNs0qmBD0NVSUDd.AAsykJIo4aRBrfZXju0VAsRZB769auGEEM.5zCXiHaUbR0lDwqSTg-- Received: from [81.147.71.36] by web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:12:10 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:12:10 +0000 (GMT) From: JOHN DUGGAN To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <2031C31D-1E2B-4A5F-8284-97326D086F35@people.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] seen by a Canon(spelling) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 12:12:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f8613174607801554290 I know I am going to pay for this BUT.... Andrew, I think that Hippos are vegetarian NOT vegitarian..or in Ozzie pa= rlance veggies. = This is rather a case of pot calling the kettle black as my speling and pun= ktwoation leaves a lot to be desired...but I am picky and notice the mistak= es of others. ;-O Regards John Duggan, Wales, UK ........................................................................... --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Andrew Fildes wrote: > Subject: Re: [OM] seen by a Canon > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 5:49 > Not The Times - an online variant of > the awful Daily Mail. (My son=A0 = > works at The Times and would regard this slip as a shooting > offence). > Images wouldn't open but I note that the croc was > 'devoured' - hardly=A0 = > - hippos are a tad intolerant but dedicated vegitarians. = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 12:29:10 2009 Received: (qmail 24356 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 11:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 11:29:09 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51D3E181D6 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644C6E240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:29:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC593610003 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:29:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2D23610002 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:29:03 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (afildes@people.net.au whitelisted) Received: from smtp.mel.people.net.au (smtp.mel.people.net.au [218.214.17.98]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17661 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 11:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.1?) (218.215.162.180) by smtp.mel.people.net.au with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 11:25:55 -0000 Message-Id: <1B2169D2-A7C6-44DA-8523-3AD2571ABBB6@people.net.au> From: Andrew Fildes To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <522653.50433.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:29:00 +1100 References: <522653.50433.qm@web86005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] seen by a Canon(spelling) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 12:29:10 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f8a0682031612113968 I was so excited that my wits left me momentarily - one bad vowel dammit. Oz parlance is 'veggo's' as in garbo's, journo's, sano's and many more. Andrew Fildes afildes@people.net.au On 09/12/2009, at 10:12 PM, JOHN DUGGAN wrote: > I know I am going to pay for this BUT.... > Andrew, I think that Hippos are vegetarian NOT vegitarian..or in > Ozzie parlance veggies. > This is rather a case of pot calling the kettle black as my speling > and punktwoation leaves a lot to be desired...but I am picky and > notice the mistakes of others. ;-O > Regards > John Duggan, > Wales, UK > ........................................................................... > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Andrew Fildes wrote: > >> Subject: Re: [OM] seen by a Canon >> Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 5:49 >> Not The Times - an online variant of >> the awful Daily Mail. (My son >> works at The Times and would regard this slip as a shooting >> offence). >> Images wouldn't open but I note that the croc was >> 'devoured' - hardly >> - hippos are a tad intolerant but dedicated vegitarians. > > > > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 12:30:42 2009 Received: (qmail 13272 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 11:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 11:30:40 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361FCE1822E for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9BFE240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:29:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8863610005 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:29:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDEA3610004 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:29:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12039 invoked by uid 504); 9 Dec 2009 11:29:07 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (chucknorcutt@74.67.83.171) by s409.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2009 11:29:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4B1F8A04.9020609@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:29:08 -0500 From: Chuck Norcutt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B202799.15221.1BBFA3@bj.caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4B202799.15221.1BBFA3@bj.caverock.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) OT A-Data USB Flash drive X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 12:30:42 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f8a62152591073733319 I think you're in a state of denial. The indication is that the drive has failed in some way. I find it difficult to believe it's the fault of FastStone. FastStone (like other browsers) does write to a directory even if you're only viewing it but all it does is create/update a thumbs.db file in that directory. Going from application file write to totally destroyed drive directory structure should be an impossible thing without the complicity of a serious bug in the OS. That also seems to me highly unlikely. You need to open that second drive to assure yourself that it's good. If you're leery of FastStone use Explorer or even use a minimalist approach. Start a command line window and type DIR d: where "d" is the drive letter of the flash drive. If the second drive is OK (meaning you see a list of files from the DIR command) then you want to copy that data somewhere to form a second backup until you figure out what's going on with the first drive. What you do about the first drive depends on whether you are able to create a second backup from the second thumb drive. In any case I would apply an image recovery program to the first drive just to see what's there. Chuck Norcutt Brian Swale wrote: > Hi all, > > As a temporary solution to my digital image storage problems, I took about > half my E-1 images from my hard drive and placed them on an A-Data USB > 2.0 Flash drive E704 - 16 GB. > > I possibly looked at them once using Windows Explorer after storage, to > make sure they were there. > > Until a few nights ago when I looked at them also with FastStone Image > Viewer. > > Now, Windows Explorer tells me that the drive is unformatted, and do I want > to format it now? NOT. A friend's XP laptop tells me the same. > > Actually, I told a lie. I bought two of these Flash Drives, and made two > backup copies of about 36 x 72 images (give or take 100%). As far as I > know the 2nd backup drive is OK but I'm rather scared to open it. Certainly > not with FastStone. > > Any comment / similar experiences with FastStone will be listened to > seriously. > > Thanks. > > Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 12:30:46 2009 Received: (qmail 30604 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 11:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 11:30:45 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BE4E18229 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC5FE240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:30:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844E03610001 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:30:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89863610002 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:30:34 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (wayneharridge@optusnet.com.au whitelisted) Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.184]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from heliar (d220-238-164-207.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au [220.238.164.207]) (authenticated sender wayneharridge) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB9BUUrg003303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:30:32 +1100 From: "Wayne Harridge" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" References: <100.688f0800a43c1f4b.009@comkal.net> <4B1F7C57.40506@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1F7C57.40506@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:30:36 +1100 Message-ID: <009401ca78c3$08060ad0$18122070$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acp4usxHQ4RDMDjGSqK41jJZ+AKL7QACB6Hw Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [OM] Hello again everyone! X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 12:30:46 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f8a66299235683411216 Try "11111111111". ...Wayne Wayne Harridge http://lrh.structuregraphs.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 9 December 2009 9:31 PM > To: Olympus Camera Discussion > Subject: Re: [OM] Hello again everyone! > > Damned primes! I am stuck in reply mode and unable to continue. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Ian Manners wrote: > >> Thank you all, very much- Piers, Chuck, Joel, Moose, John, AG and > everyone > >> who have welcomed me back! It really is a good feeling to be back > here > >> again. > > > > Hate to say it but I didnt even notice you were gone but then so was > I for > > a while :-O > > > > So Welcome back from me to :-) > > > > Cheers > > Ian Manners > > Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue. > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 12:33:47 2009 Received: (qmail 15453 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 11:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 11:33:46 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84BA4E181A8 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4B8E240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B796019E30D for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:33:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDBA19E309 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:33:23 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (mrc.olympuslist@ownvolition.com whitelisted) Received: from mail.superhosting.ca (mail.superhosting.ca [69.90.83.197]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5986 invoked by uid 399); 9 Dec 2009 11:25:52 -0000 Received: from bas1-toronto05-1176310635.dsl.bell.ca (HELO ?192.168.51.152?) (ownvolition01@ownvolition.com@70.29.19.107) by mail.superhosting.ca with ESMTPAM; 9 Dec 2009 11:25:52 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 70.29.19.107 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:33:20 -0500 From: Michael Collins To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [OM] seen by a Canon(spelling) Thread-Index: Acp4w2h2pxo/OOS2Ed6laQAX8gK7wA== In-Reply-To: <1B2169D2-A7C6-44DA-8523-3AD2571ABBB6@people.net.au> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OM] seen by a Canon(spelling) X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 12:33:47 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f8b1b85385368819438 On 12/9/09 6:29 AM, Andrew Fildes wrote: > I was so excited that my wits left me momentarily - one bad vowel > dammit. Probably caused by all this recent talk of vowel movements. Michael -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 12:36:02 2009 Received: (qmail 20811 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 11:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 11:36:02 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9809E182A7 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:35:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67130E240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:30:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA903610002 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:30:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A4A3610001 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:30:40 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13366 invoked by uid 504); 9 Dec 2009 11:30:38 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] Dunnies - was Nathan's PAW 48: point and shoot X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 12:36:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f8ba2292391946193717 You could but then they're likely to shoot you... or is that shoot on you? :-) Chuck Norcutt Andrew Fildes wrote: > Hmmm...perhaps I should have said that point and shoot photographers > produce excrement? > Andrew Fildes > afildes@people.net.au > > > > On 09/12/2009, at 8:55 PM, Moose wrote: > >> Andrew Fildes wrote: >>> Exactly - point and shoot cameras produce excrement! >> Case Resting Moose > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 13:38:02 2009 Received: (qmail 21079 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 12:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 12:38:01 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEB9E181CD for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 04:38:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97F3E240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 04:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8963F19E5CA for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 04:37:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD36A19E5A5 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 04:37:55 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com whitelisted) Received: from s409.sureserver.com (s409.sureserver.com [216.35.197.101]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 04:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18467 invoked by uid 504); 9 Dec 2009 12:37:53 -0000 Received: from cpe-74-67-83-171.stny.res.rr.com (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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(VPS 091208-1, 12/08/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) OT A-Data USB Flash drive X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 13:38:02 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f9a2a279056789618724 Not having Windows Vista or Windows 7 I'd never heard of Windows ReadyBoost. But in looking up info on your specific flash drive I see comments that it supports ReadyBoost. ReadyBoost has the ability to use flash drives as memory cache while at the same time using part of the space as a stadard disk drive. A 16GB flash drive would normally be formatted as FAT32. However, using ReadyBoost requires that the drive be formatted as NTFS or exFAT in order to avoid the 4GB file size limitation of FAT32. Questions: Are you running Vista? Is it possible that Windows' query about formatting the drive is actually a request to reformat to NTFS or exFAT in order to support ReadyBoost? Chuck Norcutt Chuck Norcutt wrote: > I think you're in a state of denial. The indication is that the drive > has failed in some way. I find it difficult to believe it's the fault > of FastStone. FastStone (like other browsers) does write to a directory > even if you're only viewing it but all it does is create/update a > thumbs.db file in that directory. Going from application file write to > totally destroyed drive directory structure should be an impossible > thing without the complicity of a serious bug in the OS. That also > seems to me highly unlikely. > > You need to open that second drive to assure yourself that it's good. > If you're leery of FastStone use Explorer or even use a minimalist > approach. Start a command line window and type DIR d: where "d" is the > drive letter of the flash drive. If the second drive is OK (meaning you > see a list of files from the DIR command) then you want to copy that > data somewhere to form a second backup until you figure out what's going > on with the first drive. > > What you do about the first drive depends on whether you are able to > create a second backup from the second thumb drive. In any case I would > apply an image recovery program to the first drive just to see what's there. > > Chuck Norcutt > > > Brian Swale wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> As a temporary solution to my digital image storage problems, I took about >> half my E-1 images from my hard drive and placed them on an A-Data USB >> 2.0 Flash drive E704 - 16 GB. >> >> I possibly looked at them once using Windows Explorer after storage, to >> make sure they were there. >> >> Until a few nights ago when I looked at them also with FastStone Image >> Viewer. >> >> Now, Windows Explorer tells me that the drive is unformatted, and do I want >> to format it now? NOT. A friend's XP laptop tells me the same. >> >> Actually, I told a lie. I bought two of these Flash Drives, and made two >> backup copies of about 36 x 72 images (give or take 100%). As far as I >> know the 2nd backup drive is OK but I'm rather scared to open it. Certainly >> not with FastStone. >> >> Any comment / similar experiences with FastStone will be listened to >> seriously. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Brian Swale. -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 13:53:06 2009 Received: (qmail 30059 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 12:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 12:53:05 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D5CE181B2 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 04:53:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FB2E240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 04:53:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF77634AC026 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 04:52:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46E234AC025 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 04:52:59 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 04:52:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.216.193]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KUD000EWYG4UK7M@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:52:52 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1F9DA7.4070802@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:52:55 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] Wish to entry large format field X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 13:53:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1f9db2275381950411718 Hey George, welcome back. ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html ClassicVW@aol.com wrote: > esnipe was free for me for years and years too, and then just this week > they wouldn't let me bid, saying I needed to purchase bid points. It appears > that, for me at least, they took away the free ride. > > George > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 12/7/2009 10:48:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > olympus-request@thomasclausen.net writes: > > In a message dated 12/7/2009 6:32:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, > chucknorcutt@chucknorcutt.com writes: > > I was one of the very early users of esnipe and am grandfathered-in such > that most auctions for me are free. > > > > > Yep, me too. Well, actually the ones less than $25 are free if I recall > > correctly. Bill Barber > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 14:11:51 2009 Received: (qmail 18702 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 13:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 13:11:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7731E18229 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:11:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09DEE240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2547934AC007 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:11:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA1634AC005 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:11:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.216.193]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KUD00HIJZBC1985@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:11:36 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1FA20B.6000303@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:11:39 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1944B4.80401@interisland.net> <4B1D039B.5090200@verizon.net> <11EE6D0E-4C9D-4281-87D5-EF7BE876D6B0@people.net.au> <4B1E535D.2050303@verizon.net> In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Google Wave X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 14:11:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fa217208371258626592 you bet! ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html Ken Norton wrote: >> When a corporation gets a colonoscopy, then it's a person. ;-) > > > I'm told that when the justice department comes knocking, you wish that it > was just a colonoscopy. > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 14:27:34 2009 Received: (qmail 24464 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 13:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 13:27:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C10E181CD for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0ADE240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:27:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DE219E784 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:27:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F8519E778 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:27:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:27:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [173.77.216.193]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KUE00KYR01DELS0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:27:14 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1FA5B5.5060700@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:27:17 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1308712587.1278141260296967007.JavaMail.root@mailstore06> In-reply-to: <1308712587.1278141260296967007.JavaMail.root@mailstore06> Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 14:27:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fa5c5308862517112723 Also a keeper from "Magnum Force". "Go ahead, make my day" ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > I would have never mixed you up with Dirt Harry..... > > ....Until now ;-) > > Wiliam > > Ken Norton wrote: > -- > There was a part of me thinking the same thing. But to quote my second > favorite movie line: > "...you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, > punk?" > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 14:28:07 2009 Received: (qmail 11417 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 13:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 13:28:07 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC13DE1822B for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93B7E240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB8734AC025 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:28:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D15A34AC005 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:28:01 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (omtech1@verizon.net whitelisted) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([173.77.216.193]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KUE00BG002K0U96@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:27:57 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B1FA5E0.2010503@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:28:00 -0500 From: John Hermanson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <1308712587.1278141260296967007.JavaMail.root@mailstore06> In-reply-to: <1308712587.1278141260296967007.JavaMail.root@mailstore06> Subject: Re: [OM] unique 3Ti X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 14:28:07 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fa5e7252252013633067 Sorry, line was from "Sudden Impact". ___________________________________ John Hermanson | CPS, Inc. 21 South Ln., Huntington NY 11743 631-424-2121 | www.zuiko.com Olympus OM Service since 1977 Gallery: www.zuiko.com/album/index.html wiliam Wagenaar wrote: > I would have never mixed you up with Dirt Harry..... > > ....Until now ;-) > > Wiliam > > Ken Norton wrote: > -- > There was a part of me thinking the same thing. But to quote my second > favorite movie line: > "...you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, > punk?" > > AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 15:27:50 2009 Received: (qmail 27577 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 14:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 14:27:49 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A5AE18212 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:27:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E45E240CA for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E6534AC025 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:27:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B9234AC02A for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:27:41 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091209142740168.RCRV20470@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:27:40 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:27:39 -0500 References: <7ac27f4f0912081422j76decf7ds909c52b99019130e@mail.gmail.com> <7ac27f4f0912081631q1ab60499i88a40901d608824e@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F02DF.3040809@chucknorcutt.com> <7ac27f4f0912081756i4a71356ew9f52d5a9a69e91ca@mail.gmail.com> <4B1F0508.3090802@chucknorcutt.com> <769CBEB2-E33C-457B-9CFF-C1A477B99B47@roadrunner.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] The Eye In The Woods X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 15:27:50 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fb3e6173475683411216 Well, you've said you have Photoshop Elements, and also that you despise Adobe. This leads me to believe (and please correct me if I'm wrong), that you actually don't know shoot from shinola about, say, CS4 and its capabilities. Your self-imposed blinders aren't narrowing your view, they are obscuring it. This suggests to me that you actually don't know much about what you're talking about. You are, as they say, interpolating. Free form interpolation. Personally, I think you're doing a piss-poor job of it, but that's just me. But that's not even my real point. The thing that irritates me about more and more of your posts is the enthusiasm with which you describe your film passions, and then the transference of that enthusiasm to denigration and disparagement of those who don't see it your way. Maybe not directly, or personally, but the implication is laid bare for anyone who cares to see it. It is not necessary to curb your enthusiasm. My intent here is to suggest that it's not necessary to follow up any statement of the wonderful qualities of A with a sledgehammer exhibition of your perceived shortcomings of B. May I quote you? On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:28 PM, Ken Norton wrote: > But for the crazed digirules-filmdrools crowd, doing everything in > post-production and pretending that it's "just as good as the real > thing", > there is no convincing them that they are sadly mistaken. Are they? Really? "Sadly mistaken?" Who says? You? Who are you? And what's "the real thing?" Does the digital darkroom emulates exactly the effects of the wet darkroom? No. But then what you do in a wet darkroom is far beyond what Matthew Brady did. Can't you just imagine Brady on this list railing against you young punks and your modern techniques? Eh? Having spent last week studying, up close and personal, prints made by Ansel Adams, Edward Weston and other Grand Masters, and some digital B&W conversions made by people who knew what they were doing, I'm advancing the notion that the differences are, to be precise, not so much. Are there differences? Of course. Do they matter? I'm not sure they do. (Not unless you're interested _only_ in process.) More importantly, is one "better" than the other? I don't think so. The point, after all, is the impact of the image. How does it resonate in the viewer? What does it make the viewer feel down deep inside when he or she looks at the print? How many people know or care about the differences between a black and white print made in a wet darkroom and one made by an accomplished digital printer? You may know, and you may care, but few others do. Matthew Brady's photos have a quality that those who came later never achieved. But the tools available to Brady and those who came after him were different. The limitations were different. You are placing self-imposed limits upon yourself. That's fine. That's your choice. I applaud and support your choice. I enjoy looking at your images. But my choice isn't your choice, and I'm down to my last nerve listening to your run it down. --Bob Whitmire "Art's just fart without the eff." www.bwp33.com On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> >> And you, of course, are the Lord High Poohbah of the filmrules- >> digidrools crowd. Did you ever stop to think you might be as full of >> horsepucky as those you are so fond of denigrating? If you haven't, >> you should. >> > > Of course! Now, is that horsepucky, shoot or excrement? What kind > of enema > should I use? > > If I've gotten my facts wrong in that post, please let me know. > > AG > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 15:33:53 2009 Received: (qmail 29677 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 14:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 14:33:53 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34BDE18229 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036BAE240CA for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E412F19EACD for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:33:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE1A19EAC8 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:33:47 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (bwhitmire@roadrunner.com whitelisted) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:33:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (really [76.179.72.137]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091209143346879.CKXJ5650@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:33:46 +0000 Message-Id: From: Bob Whitmire To: Olympus Camera Discussion In-Reply-To: <7ac27f4f0912081919k2ab81ac1r31a72f8085c8770b@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:33:46 -0500 References: <7ac27f4f0912081919k2ab81ac1r31a72f8085c8770b@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: [OM] Digital vs. Film, Round 10203030330... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 15:33:53 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fb551271589730998309 I apologize for not making myself clear. My point was not about film v digital, but rather the _approach_ to any such discussions. --Bob Whitmire www.bwp33.com On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:19 PM, Richard Man wrote: > Please kind use this new subject line. Thank you. > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Ken Norton wrote: >> Of course! Now, is that horsepucky, shoot or excrement? What kind >> of enema >> should I use? >> >> If I've gotten my facts wrong in that post, please let me know. >> >> AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 16:33:33 2009 Received: (qmail 32160 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 15:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 15:33:33 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7465BE18236 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:33:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D32E240CA for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDA719ED6D for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:33:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EDE19ED6A for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:33:25 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from blnmtfh2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:33:25 -0800 (PST) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1-aylXsOSF4qvbFy6jkA:9 a=_A9CxH3vekCUROQqCUdr2HptLNsA:4 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtfh2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1448] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtfh2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id 41/46-12772-243CF1B4; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:33:25 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1FC345.8060601@bresnan.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:33:25 -0700 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1ED6E5.9060003@bresnan.net> <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> <0B1BEC59-1A51-4D5D-8DBF-8CE96C1E55BE@people.net.au> <0FBA9E928BE249BF83293ACA5F6588D4@hudson> In-Reply-To: <0FBA9E928BE249BF83293ACA5F6588D4@hudson> Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 16:33:33 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fc34d155281006886880 Well, it's -10 F here right now. (8:30am) Got a little colder than they expected last night. But the collective "they" are frequently incorrect in their local weather predictions. Candace John Hudson wrote: > A mid-winter zero F in Calgary would be considered brisk to chilly. > > Take another 35 to 40 off and that would be really cold ! > > jh > > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 16:37:28 2009 Received: (qmail 27409 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 15:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 15:37:27 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EDAE1822C for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C63E240CA for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:37:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153B019ED7F for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:37:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A216519ED7D for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:37:20 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from blnmtfh2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:37:20 -0800 (PST) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=SCFAa0KaUL8A:10 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=vKI6LmspIFeiReVA0b4A:9 a=VMCcSl8zS87Hq9jH6QTpNcpuOssA:4 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtfh2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1454] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtfh2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id D8/86-12772-034CF1B4; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:37:20 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1FC435.9080508@bresnan.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:37:25 -0700 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1EFFE5.6000906@chasque.net> In-Reply-To: <4B1EFFE5.6000906@chasque.net> Subject: Re: [OM] [IMG] you've got to have a child girl X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 16:37:28 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fc438267491234514069 That looks like my daughter's room right now. Add a bunch of Playmobile = characters and dinosaurs to the pic and it would also look like my son's = room. And I'm not so old that I can't remember when my own room looked like = your picture. :-) Candace = Fernando Gonzalez Gentile wrote: > And that she's you're only child as well :-) > > tripod mounted 65~116 Telescopic Auto Extension Tube @ 65mm, Macro Zuiko = > 135mm=83/4,5 @ =83/8, Olympus OM 2n on Auto mode, TTL OTF T-32 mounted on = > PBG 2 via TTL Conn. Type4, Winder2, Eyecup1. > > Provia 100F - sRGB > > small: > > > large: > > > Fernando. > > = -- = _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 16:49:17 2009 Received: (qmail 3255 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 15:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 15:49:16 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AE3E18279 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55719E240CA for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1943610006 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:49:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157B83610001 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:49:09 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:49:08 -0800 (PST) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOCl7KgSr1D09Kx5bTcA:9 a=ZaGXBAIDHq48NLiMug8A:7 a=8F8QjcgmoKcRaz0zhD8TlSK1xUcA:4 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1474] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id 96/55-17882-2F6CF1B4; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:49:06 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1FC6F8.8060607@bresnan.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:49:12 -0700 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1ED6E5.9060003@bresnan.net> <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> <0B1BEC59-1A51-4D5D-8DBF-8CE96C1E55BE@people.net.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 16:49:17 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fc6fd194641006886880 Yes, that gusting wind makes things much less fun. -10 F here right now, but no wind which is very helpful. It's craziness on the roads here today. Only the very busy main roads are plowed/sanded, the rest are "drive at your own risk". And, you know, there are always people who drive like it's sunny, clear, and 75 F. If they only hurt themselves, that would be one thing, but they usually take someone else out when they go. Most people here have no idea how to drive in this weather. I got stuck getting out of my own driveway this morning. Simply couldn't get traction. My husband had to be creative about un-sticking my car. :-) He took a pretty good fall doing it. I got stuck again in the school parking lot. Kind male stranger got creative in un-sticking my car. He also took a pretty good fall doing it. (2001 Ford Focus wagon, front wheel drive). I think I'll let someone with a more appropriate vehicle drive the rest of the day. :-) Candace Ken Norton wrote: Wednesday night the temperatures here are supposed to get down to -3 Fahrenheit (-19 Celsius). The winds during the day are supposed to be gusting around 50 mph (80 kph). Right now it's still snowing to beat the band and the winds are gusting a bit, but the Jeeps are all comfy inside the garage. We do have to get out for one errand and if the Internet connection is too slow to access the work network, I'll have to go into our local office. But with a foot of fresh snow and 50 mph winds, travel is not recommended. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 16:58:21 2009 Received: (qmail 3875 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 15:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 15:58:19 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A176E18228 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540EEE240CA for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:58:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4148D3610002 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:58:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959F43610001 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:58:12 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (om4t@eastlink.ca whitelisted) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.39.52]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KUE00FG870WU0S0@mta02.eastlink.ca> for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:58:11 -0400 (AST) Received: from blk-11-106-95.eastlink.ca (HELO hudson) ([76.11.106.95]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:02:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:58:07 -0400 From: John Hudson To: Olympus Camera Discussion Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnQLAJpXH0tMC2pf/2dsb2JhbACBRohMzXIKhCIEhWg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,369,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="634902762" X-EsetScannerBuild: 6185 References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1ED6E5.9060003@bresnan.net> <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> <0B1BEC59-1A51-4D5D-8DBF-8CE96C1E55BE@people.net.au> <4B1FC6F8.8060607@bresnan.net> Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 16:58:21 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fc91d192549730998309 Sounds as if you need winter snow tires or possibly studded winter tires :-) jh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Candace Lemarr" To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow > > Yes, that gusting wind makes things much less fun. > -10 F here right now, but no wind which is very helpful. > It's craziness on the roads here today. Only the very busy main roads > are plowed/sanded, the rest are "drive at your own risk". > And, you know, there are always people who drive like it's sunny, > clear, and 75 F. > If they only hurt themselves, that would be one thing, but they > usually take someone else out when they go. > Most people here have no idea how to drive in this weather. > I got stuck getting out of my own driveway this morning. Simply > couldn't get traction. My husband had to be creative about un-sticking > my car. :-) He took a pretty good fall doing it. > I got stuck again in the school parking lot. Kind male stranger got > creative in un-sticking my car. He also took a pretty good fall doing > it. > (2001 Ford Focus wagon, front wheel drive). > I think I'll let someone with a more appropriate vehicle drive the > rest of the day. :-) > > Candace > > Ken Norton wrote: > > Wednesday night the temperatures here are supposed to get down to -3 > Fahrenheit (-19 Celsius). The winds during the day are supposed to be > gusting around 50 mph (80 kph). > > Right now it's still snowing to beat the band and the winds are gusting a > bit, but the Jeeps are all comfy inside the garage. We do have to get out > for one errand and if the Internet connection is too slow to access the > work > network, I'll have to go into our local office. But with a foot of fresh > snow and 50 mph winds, travel is not recommended. > > AG > > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4673 (20091209) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4673 (20091209) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 17:18:52 2009 Received: (qmail 25258 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 16:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 16:18:51 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFEBE18053 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CC4E240CA for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:18:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CD919E9C6 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:18:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A1819EEC3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:18:43 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:18:42 -0800 (PST) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=O_gHBNNpYXrnoCxqg1cA:9 a=KGX25qxLE1qjBRv__n5LtzYy79MA:4 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1619] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id 1E/87-17882-1EDCF1B4; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:18:42 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1FCDE4.8060801@bresnan.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:18:44 -0700 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4A8364FC.1000902@adinet.com.uy> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1ED6E5.9060003@bresnan.net> <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> <0B1BEC59-1A51-4D5D-8DBF-8CE96C1E55BE@people.net.au> <4B1FC6F8.8060607@bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 17:18:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fcdec269901220213263 Yes, you are right, that would have been most helpful! But studded snow tires would most likely have to be taken off again in about 2 days. Winter snow tires is something we should probably consider doing, given this is the second winter in row where we've had more significant snowfall. It's usually not a necessity here. :-) Candace John Hudson wrote: > Sounds as if you need winter snow tires or possibly studded winter tires :-) > > jh > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 17:25:23 2009 Received: (qmail 8945 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 16:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 16:25:23 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74959E181A8 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:25:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FB2E240CA for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:25:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84DE53610004 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:25:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127B13610005 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:25:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:25:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so6925127fxm.8 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:25:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.6 with SMTP id r6mr880473hbr.205.1260375916863; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:25:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1ED6E5.9060003@bresnan.net> <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> <0B1BEC59-1A51-4D5D-8DBF-8CE96C1E55BE@people.net.au> <4B1FC6F8.8060607@bresnan.net> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:25:16 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 13d0df4bf939900e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 17:25:23 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fcf73320715034211378 > > Sounds as if you need winter snow tires or possibly studded winter tires > :-) > Or the "Jeep" upgrade option. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 17:34:51 2009 Received: (qmail 25331 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 16:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 16:34:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92922E1824C for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF3EE240CA for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62953610002 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:33:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F03B3610001 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:33:56 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (candacerocks@bresnan.net whitelisted) Received: from blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (cluster2.bresnan.net [69.145.248.57]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:33:56 -0800 (PST) X-CNFS-Binding: RES_SMTP_L X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=LQxtse4inYBWDJYF5DEA:9 a=lrRnGnXroT7NcVDdM7n0NN2qc98A:4 a=PXM8pDuhnn9AbrTG:21 a=v8PzObBYkSXzIzwX:21 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: blnmtdc2svavs smtp.user=CandaceRocks; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [98.127.182.244] ([98.127.182.244:1666] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by blnmtdc2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r()) with ESMTPA id 3D/D8-17882-371DF1B4; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:33:55 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1FD178.6070900@bresnan.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:34:01 -0700 From: Candace Lemarr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1ED6E5.9060003@bresnan.net> <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> <0B1BEC59-1A51-4D5D-8DBF-8CE96C1E55BE@people.net.au> <4B1FC6F8.8060607@bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 17:34:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fd1ab75582517112723 Ken, we've been watching for the "right jeep" for about a year now. Has to be the right price (these days that pretty low) and fit kids and car seats. Colorado is 8 years/80 pounds. We often joke that our daughter will be telling us who her prom date is, and the criteria to ride in the vehicle will be "will your car seat fit". Almost 7 and each of the kids weigh 44 pounds soaking wet. Candace Ken Norton wrote: >> Sounds as if you need winter snow tires or possibly studded winter tires >> :-) >> >> > > Or the "Jeep" upgrade option. > > AG > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 17:50:51 2009 Received: (qmail 15598 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 16:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 16:50:50 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C72CE1819A for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA0CE240CA for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813C019F105 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:50:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F3819F10F for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:50:42 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1823016fga.8 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:50:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.91 with SMTP id c27mr952656hbg.51.1260377440992; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:50:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7ac27f4f0912081919k2ab81ac1r31a72f8085c8770b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:50:40 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 708684630781884c Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] Digital vs. Film, Round 10203030330... X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 17:50:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fd56b17651258626592 > > I apologize for not making myself clear. My point was not about film v > digital, but rather the _approach_ to any such discussions. I'll try harder to de-bias my comments. In the spirit of that, let me ask this: One of the big challenges I've found with a full-digital workflow is when I want to do excessive curves and contrast adjustments that I can get solarization artifacts as well as a general loss of tonal separation. I know I'm not alone, and some of what I battle is visible in the works of some really top-dog photographers, including Michael Richtmann. I could give examples, but let's stick with conceptual issues here. This is NOT a matter of one camera brand over another, sensor manufacturer over another or even choice in raw converters and editors. I'm talking about the fact that we have only so many bits to work with and manipulation of those bits causes troubles whether we admit it or not. The goal is to minimize or disguise those troubles as much as we can. Unfortunately, we're dealing with hard math here. When you have to digitize the entire A-D stream with 12-14 bits per pixel, you have to reassign the measurements into the final result. When most people don't realize is that by the time we've mangled the image into the final product that those 12-14 bits per pixel of original A-D conversion are now down to an effective 2-4 bits at best. Even less if you convert to aRGB as the dynamic range is sacrificed in exchange for a wider color gamut. One method I've personally found to deal with this is to mask the artifacts through random noise injection. The E-1 seems to do this natively, but even with digitized scans, I'll still have to randomize things to break up the artifacts if I need to do extensive adjustments. Some may actually say that this is what defines the "digital look" is the loss of tonal separations. Specifically in the world of B&W, this is a big issue. When optically printing a B&W negative any "curves adjustment" is not only in the analog realm, but is by it's very nature effectively increasing the "bit-depth" of the image without loss of tonal separation in the highlights or shadows. If, for example, I want to increase the exposure (lighten) the shadows by 4 stops in a digital image, you end up with some pretty aweful shadows. But if I increase the exposure of the shadows by 4 stops in the darkroom through the dodging process, the shadows lighten but you don't get solarization artifacts. The same thing goes on the other end of the spectrum--if I want to darken a portion of the image by burning in, this adjustment also occurs without getting artifacts in the highlight transitions. Sunsets anyone? What is presumed to be an "anti-digital" stance is anything but. I'm struggling with both Lightroom and Darkroom technologies and techniques like everyone else. I doubt there is anybody who has completely "arrived" in either system. If so, then there wouldn't be any demand for upgrades and new equipment/software purchases. "Good Enough", as Chuck stated, is a relative term. What is "good enough" today may not be tomorrow. In fact, I seriously doubt that it will be at all, because we have a track record. "We" includes me too. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 17:57:25 2009 Received: (qmail 26351 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 16:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 16:57:24 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5B4E18053 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:57:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F10E240CA for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8303610001 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:57:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC8E3610005 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:57:18 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (ian@picturepedia.org whitelisted) Received: from esc124.midphase.com (esc124.midphase.com [67.228.235.93]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:57:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.bbp.ch ([193.73.134.253]:10668 helo=ian-wilcoxs-mac-mini.local) by esc124.midphase.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NIPqn-0004sx-KK for olympus@thomasclausen.net; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:57:18 -0600 Message-ID: <4B1FD6E8.2070708@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:57:12 +0100 From: SwissPace User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091130 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4AE8BD41.9080306@bresnan.net> <4B1ED04F.8040206@bresnan.net> <4B1ED396.7080309@chucknorcutt.com> <4B1ED6E5.9060003@bresnan.net> <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> <0B1BEC59-1A51-4D5D-8DBF-8CE96C1E55BE@people.net.au> <4B1FC6F8.8060607@bresnan.net> <4B1FD178.6070900@bresnan.net> In-Reply-To: <4B1FD178.6070900@bresnan.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc124.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - thomasclausen.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - picturepedia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 17:57:25 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fd6f5263539752976205 You don't want a jeep, those are to soft, you have to put them in the garage when it snows ;-) you need a landrover!. 3 in the front three in the middle and loads of stuff in the back or another 4 people. Only Joking, Actually I have been searching for a 7 seater that will carry two children in their seats, 3 boys and two adults AND two prams, I think the only option is the 4wd VW van based caravelle, everything else is just bigger but with the same no of seats. Good luck with your search - we are keeping our yolandy for now ;-) but it means we are a seat short for my eldest son when he visits. On 09/12/2009 17:34, Candace Lemarr wrote: > Ken, we've been watching for the "right jeep" for about a year now. > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 18:42:37 2009 Received: (qmail 31751 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 17:42:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 17:42:36 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BF2E18197 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE599E240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:42:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBFA1CD4CD for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:42:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC04B1CD4CB for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:42:26 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (image66@gmail.com whitelisted) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:42:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1843411fga.8 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:42:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.91 with SMTP id c27mr958324hbg.51.1260380545410; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:42:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B1FD6E8.2070708@picturepedia.org> References: <4A7F0358.1000408@interisland.net> <4B1ED6E5.9060003@bresnan.net> <846E82DEF82641EFA4284AD4DE1A3163@hudson> <0B1BEC59-1A51-4D5D-8DBF-8CE96C1E55BE@people.net.au> <4B1FC6F8.8060607@bresnan.net> <4B1FD178.6070900@bresnan.net> <4B1FD6E8.2070708@picturepedia.org> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:42:25 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 71619b7cc87c6f4e Message-ID: From: Ken Norton To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: Re: [OM] A wee bit of snow X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 18:42:37 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fe18d286232439112457 > > You don't want a jeep, those are to soft, you have to put them in the > garage when it snows ;-) I wanted to FIND my Jeep after the blizzard clears, that's all. :) I'm on a conference bridge right now as we deal with power outages and outdoor remotes failing. The problem we're having is one particular office has a failing battery array and a remote box is probably stuffed with snow from a broken door seal. Unfortunately, getting people to those locations is a bit of a problem because a 20 minute drive is turning into a 2 hour drive. Ever try to set up a tent in a 50+ mph wind? Glad I'm home and these problems are happening elsewhere in the state. If we get an outage here, I'm putting on the long-johns. AG -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 18:44:13 2009 Received: (qmail 9998 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 17:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 17:44:12 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB90E1822D for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E82E240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:43:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2D119F2AC for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:43:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2230F19F2A0 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:43:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (photo@frozenlight.eu whitelisted) Received: from authsmtp.register.it (authsmtp09.register.it [81.88.48.59]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:43:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 331 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 17:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.34?) (nw0640@frozenlight.eu@81.33.65.152) by authsmtp.register.it with ESMTPA; 9 Dec 2009 17:43:13 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Nathan Wajsman In-Reply-To: <4B1F7FCF.4090808@chucknorcutt.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:43:12 +0100 Message-Id: References: <159C9C42-FFE2-4BD4-9C77-84DF22FF0FCC@frozenlight.eu> <4B1F7FCF.4090808@chucknorcutt.com> To: Olympus Camera Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [OM] Nathan's PAD 08/12/2009: Alicante winter X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 18:44:13 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b1fe1ed70971342116753 Well, the camera made me do it ;-) Seriously, after looking at the picture at work, I concluded that you are right, and so I have just increased exposure by 2/3 stop and re-uploaded the image. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote: > Looks dark on my monitor. Not unusual and I've learned to pass off the > difference to the Apple/Win gamma thing. But the EXIF tells me the time > is 12:33 and that the exposure (ISO 80, f/5.6 at 1/1250) is one stop > under for sunny 16. Nominal shutter speed should have been 1/640. > > Chuck Norcutt > > Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> Yesterday was a public holiday here, so most people took Monday off >> to enjoy a 4-day weekend. In the northern half of Spain the weather >> was iffy, but here in Alicante it was extremely pleasant: >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu/Other/Picture-A-Day/4253606_netUM#736075067_56PDK-O-LB >> >> >> Nathan > -- > _________________________________________________________________ > Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus > Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ > Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 21:30:19 2009 Received: (qmail 9013 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 20:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 20:30:18 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF417E1819A for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7F5E240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D483610002 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:30:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3E53610001 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:30:10 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (zuikoholic@spokeandsprocket.com whitelisted) Received: from omta0110.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by mx1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm0220.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0110.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E80E6388ED for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:29:08 -0800 (PST) X-Eon-Dm: dm0220 Received: by dm0220.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 450ac626) id dm0220.4b185de8.40c5c for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:23:43 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQMTtrlLIAdPg35kTAIAAAAB,14190b6f089b4e7eb2a9be88f41696e4 Message-ID: <4B200893.4000802@spokeandsprocket.com> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:29:07 -0800 From: Jim Couch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olympus Camera Discussion References: <4B1BCB50.3000701@chucknorcutt.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1BCB50.3000701@chucknorcutt.com> Subject: Re: [OM] Zuiko 300/4.5 Tripod Mount X-BeenThere: olympus@thomasclausen.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Id: Olympus Camera Discussion List-Post: X-Tigertech-Mailman-Hint: 6F6C796D707573 List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: olympus-bounces+nilsf=tako.de@thomasclausen.net X-DSPAM-Result: Whitelisted X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Dec 9 21:30:19 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 4b2008db35235683411216 The telescopic extension tube also uses the same collar. Jim Couch Chuck Norcutt wrote: > John Hermanson used to sell them but it doesn't appear as though he has > any now. There are other lenses that use the same tripod mount. If you > have one of those you could move it from lens to lens. The 85-250 uses > it. I think there is at least one other but I don't remember it. > > Chuck Norcutt > > -- _________________________________________________________________ Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ From nilsf Wed Dec 9 21:36:23 2009 Received: (qmail 26179 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2009 20:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.tigertech.net) (64.62.209.34) by enforcer.tako.de with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 20:36:22 -0000 Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3749AE1822C for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (morbo.tigertech.net [67.131.251.53]) by lists.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49303E240D3 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231B11CD495 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:36:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at morbo.tigertech.net Received: from mx3.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C2F1CD490 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:36:17 -0800 (PST) X-TigerTech-Content-Filter: Clean X-TigerTech-Spam-Status: Level 0 (High) (P0); Whitelisted TTSSA (jon@jonmitch.co.uk whitelisted) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.52]) by mx3.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:36:17 -0800 (PST) X-Trace: 304260303/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/80.47.182.122/None/jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 80.47.182.122 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jon@jonmitch.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuAEAIyYH0tQL7Z6/2dsb2JhbACIfIhbxW6ELAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,370,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="304260303" Received: from 80-47-182-122.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com (HELO MEDIAPC) ([80.47.182.122]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2009 20:36:15 +0000 From: "Jon Mitchell" To: "'Olympus Camera Discussion'" Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:29:17 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca75fa$61dd5750$0365a8c0@MEDIAPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4B1F9A20.50808@chucknorcutt.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! 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There are some provisos (speed of Flash memory, etc) but take a look on Wikipedia for more details. 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